December 6, 2024 • 20 mins
On Sports Fix with Jason Pine and D'Arcy Waldegrave for 6 December 2024, New Zealand Cricket Hall of Famer Debbie Hockley joins the podcast from the Basin Reserve.
She shares the honour of being part of the first 11 to be inducted to the newly establish Hall of Fame.
Piney and D'Arcy also chew the fat on this weekend's A-Leagues derby between Auckland FC and Wellington Phoenix and the ongoing stoush between Formula 1 drivers Max Verstappen and George Russell.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talks. It'd be
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Thoughts Fix Howard by news Talks.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
It'd be hello there, and welcome into the final episode
of the Sports Fix podcast for this week anyway with
Bridge Friday, Friday, December the sixth. I might sound a
little bit different coming to you from our Neilson Studios today.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I'm Jason Pine.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
Fantastic top of the South end to White pineamer What
a wonderful, wonderful place to be. I'm still stuck here
in Auckrim. They don't let me get out of a
city limits Poine.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Now you know there are restraining orders that other parts
of the country have put on your travel. No, we're
not place you can.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Still hear the voice of Darcy water Gravis. Can't see
the person. Maybe I don't exist right? What have we
got coming out?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Pony?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
All right, Well, I've got a few thoughts on this
derby Tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I've got some thoughts.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm keen to hear your thoughts as well. We'll kick
around it from topics in the chamber, including the Hall
of Fame and Duck and I want to find out
more about this Formula one stats which is going on
at the moment and as far as the guests are
confirmed or concerned today, Darcy, who we got?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I'll be joined shortly by Debbie Harkley, one of the
eleven players inducted into New Zealand Crickets Hall of Fame.
That is the first eleven myself and DEBI up shortly.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Sounds great, let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
In other news, let's start, as per usual with some
of the biggest sports stories floating around today. Eleven former
New Zealand international cricketers have been inducted into the national
body's inaugural Hall of Fame. Among them Sir Richard Hadley,
our greatest ever fast fowler, affecting on his two decades
at the top of the game in.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
An eight year international career a twenty year first class career.
Very proud I've what I've been able to achieve a
lot of significant milestones personally a collective as a team too.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The tense few between Formula One champion elect Max for
staff and Mercedes driver jaw Russell worsening the stap and
said after the Catargrom Prix he's lost all respect for Russell,
who's now returned serve.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I've known Max for twelve years.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I've respected him all of this time, but now I've
lost respects for him because we're all facing on track
and he's never personal. Now he's made it personal and
someone needs to send him to a belly like this.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So far people are lett him get away with murder.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
And one test all black.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Harry Plumbers revealed his reasons for departing the Blues and
New Zealand Rugby after next year's Super Rugby season.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I don't know the.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Blood with anyone at Rugby or Blues arm. It's just
ware goes and you can't play footy in New Zealand.
Ver I guess and saved a lot of gut to you.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Es and a Villiam.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
It's Sports Fix with Jason Hine and Dusty Laudergrave.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
What joins and now by One of the inductees for
the New Zealand Cricket Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Her name is Debbie Hartley. Debbie, Hi, how are you.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Sure, Dussie? I am very well. Thank you here at
the basin.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I expect you to be very very happy after being
taken on board the Hall of fame and we'll talk
about that shortly.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
What an occasion that must have been.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
But what you're at the basin right now, what a
wonderful couple of sessions cricket from a New Zealand perspective anyway.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
Oh well, it just from a cricket lover's perspective. I reckon, Darcy.
I love the facts, like getting getting harry Brook just
before tea. How perfect was that? But you know they've
got on at a fast clip as well. And you know,
if our guys can get England out for under three hundred,
I think they'll be happy with the job done on
the first day and then that'll give us hopefully a
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bit of time to score a few runs at the end.
So it's been a really entertaining day's Test cricket so far.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
To magical old place too, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
The base and reserve And I think we're blessed right
across the board with venues now for Test cricket. Really
it's improved so much more since back in the day.
And I suppose right at the front of that, maybe
not the front because I'm a cantab after all.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
With the base and reserve screams cricket, doesn't it?
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Oh my god. And as we were just talking about
I was just doing a we were doing an interview
with Scotty Stevenson on the field and just looking around
and saying, you know, looking at it with the you know,
got the beautiful stands, the cricket museum that Bhoda car
was on the bank is one of the things that
I love about at Darcy, and I think, you know,
having these three tests at Hagley, here at the Basin
(04:29):
and then up in Hamilton, they're just ideal. They basically
boutique cricket grounds and the fact that everyone can walk
onto the ground at lunch time is it's pretty magical.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
It's very magical and the results looking pretty good. Well
ready two sessions and I can't get too carried away
with that. And so it's a unique place in the
form of where it sits in the middle of a
roundabout as well. And then of the sirens is something
distinctly based and reserve, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Oh yeah, yeah. I was looking at some of the
photos of how it came to be and you know,
just the history of it's fromming magical as well. And
you know, when you you know when you' when you
see where it's situated within the city, it really is
very unique. So you know, I'm really thrilled that you know,
the museum, the stand at the museums and was done
(05:19):
I think I think it was earthquake repairs. But when
you when you come and watch the ground and you
wherever you sit, it's just it really is a wonderful place.
And I'm sure that the New Zealanders, but especially all
the England touring fans will really be relishing the opportunity
to get out in the middle field of grass under
their feet.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
And it's very apt that this is the home is
where the Hall of Fame was started.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Last night.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It was a huge occasion.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I expect you must be absolutely beaming, DeBie Hotly, to
be announced in that that first eleven.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
Yeah, I was so. I'm standing here right now, I've
got my cap in my hands like a you know,
like a real wally, just walking around with it. But
it was like it was to be one of the
eleven people with the other fabulous players of New Zealand cricket. Oh,
I'm just listening here and I think there.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Could be another wicket.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Yes, sorry, I'm doing a bit of live commentary as
I'm talking to you. But the yeah, lot, it's actually
been quite quite emotional because just being in the same
room as either the players or the representatives of the players,
you know, people like Bert Cyclists and John Reid, and
with two of the women who I played in my
(06:35):
very first New Zealand team, with Tristian mcclvey and Jackie Lord.
You know, it's it's been very, very cool and great
to meet those other players or their representatives.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
He played Test cricket, which in this day and age,
people go, what you're kidding me? Right back in the day,
you'd love that to come back. He didn't ever played
at the Basin.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Actually I don't think I played.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
No, I didn't play a Test at the Basin, but
we were just talking about to. So the last Test
that I played was sort of in nineteen ninety six.
But someone just asked me that question about Test cricket
and I was saying, you know, when I first played
Test cricket, we were only playing three day matches, so
which is kind of a waste of time perfect to
be perfectly honest. So I think that if you're going
(07:20):
to you know, if you're going to play tests. They
need to, you know, they need to be sort of
treated with the respect that they deserve. So so, and
I was also saying while I was lucky, like I
played about nineteen tests, I think, but I didn't get
the opportunity at all to play in t twenties. So
you know, look, you win some and your well, you
don't lose them, But it just depends on what's being
(07:41):
played at the time that you play yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Nineteen tests on three hundred and one runs.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
At fifty two point oh four, you'd take that, wouldn't you.
If you look back at your career and you are
now in the Hall of Fame, what do you think
you'd most like to.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Be remembered for.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
As far as your contribution to cricket over the years,
I mean, first woman president anywhere of a national cricket association,
there's that. There's your bowling, your caps, There's a whole
lot of stuff. What stands out for you?
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Do you know what stands out for me? Most, I
have to say is probably the fact that I tried
to be quite consistent, but also that I was the
captain of the side for two of our Rose Bowl
wins over Australia nineteen eighty seven and then I think
maybe in nineteen ninety nine or nineteen ninety eight or.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Something like that.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
And to be honest, that's probably what I'm most proud of, DARSI,
because it's having series wins over Australia is seriously difficult
to do and to be involved with two out of
the three Rose Bowls wins that we've had in our history,
that's probably the thing I'm most proud of, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Some amazing names, plainly, and some of them very predictable,
in the likes of Sir Richard Hadley and Glenn Turner.
They put them down first on the list. But when
you look across the eleven, I think it's fantastic that
women's cricket, because it is cricket, has been involved. I mean,
you mentioned Tris mcelvey, you mentioned Jackie Lord. Of course
(09:12):
there's Emily Drummond there as well. It's really important, isn't it.
Looking forward in New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Oh well, I think that, you know, like I love
New Zealand cricket because I think that they have been
very inclusive and I think that it's a fear reflection
like having four females and seven males in this initial
first eleven is reflective of the you know, the length
of time that cricket's been played by both sexes and
(09:39):
so I think that I think proportionality is great and
going forward there will be more people added to the
Hall of Fame. But you know, I have an enormous
amount of respect for New Zealand cricket for their inclusive
inclusivity and I think that the the the people who
have been in the Hall of Fame this time, I
(10:01):
think it's a really good refreshed reflection of cricket over
the last however many years.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Suckcliffe read Lord Mcalvy, Turner, Hadley, Hockley, Crow Drum Victory
and McCallum. Now that is a first to leave in
on that. Congratulations and thanks very much for joining us
me to go back to the cricket Debbie Hankley.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Thanks very much for the opportunity. Darcy, it's been a
real thrill, So thanks for you just broadcasting about it's been.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Great dissecting the sporting agenda.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's Sportsfix with Jason Pain and Darcy Waldegrave.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined that
a domestic football match between two New Zealand clubs would
be as big as tomorrow's second A League derby between
Auckland FC and the Wellington Phoenix is going to be.
Tickets were snapped up so quickly that new areas of
Go Media Stadium have been opened up to get more
people in. Now those tickets are all gone. It's a
(10:59):
complete sellout and some tickets are now turning up on
trade meet for about three or four hundred dollars each.
When has there ever been a game of domestic football
in New Zealand between two New Zealand teams that you
couldn't get a ticket to and had to buy one
off trade me. And it's not that this is a
grand final, it's just a regular season game. So how
has this happened? You have to look squarely at the
(11:22):
competition's new boys, Auckland FC for starters. Obviously, what they're
doing on the field is amazing. Five games, five wins,
five clean sheets. Everybody loves a winner. But the club
have done a brilliant job of quickly engaging with their
fan base in a way that few other teams have managed.
The last two new clubs in the A League. Western
United and MacArthur FC drew very modest first up crowds
(11:45):
and haven't been able to get any traction. Already, thousands
are turning up to what Aukland FC. Even in the
pouring rain. Last week they had thirteen thousand there. It'll
be double that tomorrow for Derby two point zero. The
rivalry has been stoked by friendly banter and sometimes not
so friendly between the two sets of fans and those
(12:06):
involved in the two clubs. Players and everybody is talking
about the derby. Everybody is talking about the football. So
who wins for me? Auckland FC's perfect start ends tomorrow.
Both sides are excellent defensively, but I just feel like
Wellington Phoenix have slightly more attacking weapons than Auckland FC do.
(12:30):
It's the Nicks one nill for me. But what an
occasion it promises to be.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Let us gather in the chamber the end to kick
around a few sports issues today. Darcy, you're the motorsport guru.
Among us there are only two of us, so you know,
don't get too big hitted about it. The competition's not
that stuff. But I wanted to ask you about this.
George Russell, max Verstappen stash now apparently for Stappen wasn't
(13:00):
pleased after Cutter. They're in Abu Derby now and George
Russell is fired back with them with interest. Has mey
what's the background to all of this?
Speaker 5 (13:08):
To motorsport? Not soap opera, but this is what it's
turned into right now. I think that for the most part,
people enjoy a bit of personality, and that is why
that amazing show propelled everybody drive to survive into Formula one,
because it showed the emotion and it showed them as
being axul human beings as opposed to just flesh passengers
(13:30):
in a car. But the stabben was well half a
second slow, and even less than that. It was like,
I think point zero five of a second faster than
Russell and the qualifying But there was an inquiry into
the stewards talking about a one place penalty for driving
unnecessarily slowly. There was an incident with Russell and Stappin,
(13:53):
and Russell started complaining over the radio right saying it's
super dangerous and your your bad driver, and blah blah
blah blah, Blah had a right crack at him, so
then you know the stapping comes back. So I've lost
all respect for you, and they just keep firing barbs
at each other. The thing is, Max for Stapen is
a Formula One champion, So at the end of the day,
even if he did see George Russell claims he goes
(14:15):
matts Verstapen threatened to put me on my effing head
in the wall out.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That's pretty nasty, right, that is that is nasty in it?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
But did I hear that George Russell has has basically
called him a.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Bully, a liar, a loser. Yeah, there's all sorts going.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
This is like this is like school yard stuff, isn't
it where it is?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
But as I said, it's personality and people love personality
and sport. Itsells as stories even though the big story
around here quite thank this is how Red Bull managed
to lose their Constructors Championship and of course for us,
what happens with Liam Lawson and apparently Piney Det's going
to be announced early next week after Abu Dabbi and
(15:02):
Perry's is still rolling run going. I've got a contract
for next year. I'm not going anywhere. It's like, okay,
you carry on believing that, but yeah, lost the talk
about incident. He's still on Formula one. Uh, the team
principal from George Russell and Mercedes has actually been backing
up the boss of Formula one around foul language because
apparently his kids have started swearing too, and they've heard
(15:23):
it from the guys on the race track. So he's
getting a bit upset around that one. A nothing like
a dam putting his foot down.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Absolutely right. Okay, Well you've heard my views on the
on the football in terms of how big this club
has got. Can I tell you what I think might
happen on the field?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Absolutely what it's.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
An explosion of interest is and I still can't quite
put my finger on it, but you're helping me out
now with that opinion piece. But let's get to what
really really really counts, and that is mount smart.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
What's going to go on at go media.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, here's what here's here's the way I and this
is this is not deep analysis, dar see, this is
kind of I guess you know, broad analysis is that
it's no and this isn't Rocket sciences either, but neither
team is that likely to conceive goals. Auckland haven't sented
any as we know in their five games. Wellington Phoenix
have only conceded three in five games, and two of
(16:13):
those were against Auckland. So defensively, both sides are very good. Therefore,
you look at the attack of each side and say
to yourself, right, which of these two attacks is more
likely or has more potential to unlock the other's water
tight defense. And I think the answer to that is
Wellington Phoenix. I look at guys like cost of barbarusis
Marco Rojas, a couple of guys you've obviously enjoyed watching,
(16:35):
you know, in Phoenix colors and other colors over the years,
including for the all whites, the Japanese players, a decky
Ishiga in particular, and off the bench, look out for
a bloke with very very long hair, which I'm jealous
of Stefan Kolakowsky to come on and make an impact.
I just feel as though Wellington Phoenix have more attacking weaponry.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Than Auckland FC.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I'm not saying it's going to be three or four nil,
but I think if it's a game decided by one goal,
Wellington Phoenix are more likely to score that one goal.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
And they're rested, right, They've rested it a week off,
so they'll have plenty in their legs. Well, what I noticed,
and again you're the football expert between two of us,
so I don't get too struck around.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Why was it that game where the Auckland I got
a sense.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I know they're slow starters and that is not ideal,
but they finished with the bang bang, which they did
last time around. But I got a feeling of a
lot of hesitation when it comes to who was going
to strike, who was going to take the opportunity where
that goal was going to come from, And it almost
felt me that guys were going you do it or no,
you do it, And any momentum they got down the
(17:39):
park slowed up when it really mattered.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Did you see that too or was just me and Fantasyland?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
No, not at all. And I think they're still coming together.
An attack defensively excellent. I mean, you know, the numbers
will tell you that haven't conceded in five games. That
speaks to a very organized defense. But at the other end,
they haven't cut teams apart. They haven't really found any
attacking cohesion as hit by make a liar of me tomorrow,
no doubt by putting two or three Wellington's net. But
(18:07):
that is the work on for Steve Coricker and he
can work on that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
He's a former striker himself.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So he's got Danny Hay and you know others looking
after the defense. Steve Kyriker, i'm sure is working on
ways for Auckland FC to be more potent in the
attacking third. Hey, just before we exit the chamber, we've
got eleven inductees into the Cricket Hall of Fame, New
Zealand Crickets Hall of Fame. Any major talking points in
terms of oh missions here. They get added to every year,
(18:35):
so it's not like one and done. But were you
surprised at all by the eleven?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I think what I enjoyed about the eleven was the
healthy dose of wahinan there.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
It wasn't a boys club.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
It was like, Hey, the contributions to New Zealand cricket
over the years haven't been solely about the men, and
I thought that was fantastic. Debbie Hockley involved in this,
not saying she had the whip hand over it, but
for me that is refreshing and I think, as Francis
Pain pointed out, the wonderful Frances Pain, this is not
(19:06):
a definitive list.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
This is subjective and.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
It's all about talking points around the grandeur of New
Zealand cricket, well in this case since.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
World War Two.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
I think that's what we should reflect on more than
the individuals, but what they represent for our summer's game.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Piney couldn't have put it better myself, Darcy couldn't have
put it better myself.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I like the mix.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I think there's there's some obvious ones which are there,
some that people go, oh, that's interesting, but are still accurate,
and every year more are going to be added so
to be a talking point for you and me and
more importantly our listeners. Every time the Hall of Fame
inductions roll around each year. That is us in the
chamber for today.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
This is Sports Fix, your daily does of sports News,
how and by News Talks Evy, And that is.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Us on the Sports Fix podcast for another day and
another week. But don't worry, we're back on Monday. I'm
picking all parts of the Sporting Weekend. Of course, if
you subscribe to sports Fix, Darcy, as you well know,
that will happen automatically into your podcast feed.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
And when you say we are back on Monday, you
meet you because I've still got the day off and
I don't intend on moving to do anything. But if
you want to hear more from a Piney over the weekend,
you can twelve till three on weekend sports Saturday and Sunday.
Of course here sports Talk on Monday from seven to eight,
and then I drag my corpse back into it again
with sportstal between at seven and eight Tuesday through Friday,
(20:31):
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Piney have a wonderful weekend.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Right back at you does.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Thoughts Fix Howard by news Talks.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
It'd be hello there, and welcome into the final episode
of the Sports Fix podcast for this week anyway with
Bridge Friday, Friday, December the sixth. I might sound a
little bit different coming to you from our Neilson Studios today.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I'm Jason Pine.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
Fantastic top of the South end to White pineamer What
a wonderful, wonderful place to be. I'm still stuck here
in Auckrim. They don't let me get out of a
city limits Poine.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Now you know there are restraining orders that other parts
of the country have put on your travel. No, we're
not place you can.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Still hear the voice of Darcy water Gravis. Can't see
the person. Maybe I don't exist right? What have we
got coming out?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Pony?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
All right, Well, I've got a few thoughts on this
derby Tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I've got some thoughts.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm keen to hear your thoughts as well. We'll kick
around it from topics in the chamber, including the Hall
of Fame and Duck and I want to find out
more about this Formula one stats which is going on
at the moment and as far as the guests are
confirmed or concerned today, Darcy, who we got?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I'll be joined shortly by Debbie Harkley, one of the
eleven players inducted into New Zealand Crickets Hall of Fame.
That is the first eleven myself and DEBI up shortly.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Sounds great, let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
In other news, let's start, as per usual with some
of the biggest sports stories floating around today. Eleven former
New Zealand international cricketers have been inducted into the national
body's inaugural Hall of Fame. Among them Sir Richard Hadley,
our greatest ever fast fowler, affecting on his two decades
at the top of the game in.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
An eight year international career a twenty year first class career.
Very proud I've what I've been able to achieve a
lot of significant milestones personally a collective as a team too.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The tense few between Formula One champion elect Max for
staff and Mercedes driver jaw Russell worsening the stap and
said after the Catargrom Prix he's lost all respect for Russell,
who's now returned serve.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I've known Max for twelve years.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I've respected him all of this time, but now I've
lost respects for him because we're all facing on track
and he's never personal. Now he's made it personal and
someone needs to send him to a belly like this.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So far people are lett him get away with murder.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
And one test all black.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Harry Plumbers revealed his reasons for departing the Blues and
New Zealand Rugby after next year's Super Rugby season.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I don't know the.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Blood with anyone at Rugby or Blues arm. It's just
ware goes and you can't play footy in New Zealand.
Ver I guess and saved a lot of gut to you.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Es and a Villiam.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
It's Sports Fix with Jason Hine and Dusty Laudergrave.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
What joins and now by One of the inductees for
the New Zealand Cricket Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Her name is Debbie Hartley. Debbie, Hi, how are you.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Sure, Dussie? I am very well. Thank you here at
the basin.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I expect you to be very very happy after being
taken on board the Hall of fame and we'll talk
about that shortly.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
What an occasion that must have been.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
But what you're at the basin right now, what a
wonderful couple of sessions cricket from a New Zealand perspective anyway.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
Oh well, it just from a cricket lover's perspective. I reckon, Darcy.
I love the facts, like getting getting harry Brook just
before tea. How perfect was that? But you know they've
got on at a fast clip as well. And you know,
if our guys can get England out for under three hundred,
I think they'll be happy with the job done on
the first day and then that'll give us hopefully a
(03:42):
bit of time to score a few runs at the end.
So it's been a really entertaining day's Test cricket so far.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
To magical old place too, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
The base and reserve And I think we're blessed right
across the board with venues now for Test cricket. Really
it's improved so much more since back in the day.
And I suppose right at the front of that, maybe
not the front because I'm a cantab after all.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
With the base and reserve screams cricket, doesn't it?
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Oh my god. And as we were just talking about
I was just doing a we were doing an interview
with Scotty Stevenson on the field and just looking around
and saying, you know, looking at it with the you know,
got the beautiful stands, the cricket museum that Bhoda car
was on the bank is one of the things that
I love about at Darcy, and I think, you know,
having these three tests at Hagley, here at the Basin
(04:29):
and then up in Hamilton, they're just ideal. They basically
boutique cricket grounds and the fact that everyone can walk
onto the ground at lunch time is it's pretty magical.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
It's very magical and the results looking pretty good. Well
ready two sessions and I can't get too carried away
with that. And so it's a unique place in the
form of where it sits in the middle of a
roundabout as well. And then of the sirens is something
distinctly based and reserve, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Oh yeah, yeah. I was looking at some of the
photos of how it came to be and you know,
just the history of it's fromming magical as well. And
you know, when you you know when you' when you
see where it's situated within the city, it really is
very unique. So you know, I'm really thrilled that you know,
the museum, the stand at the museums and was done
(05:19):
I think I think it was earthquake repairs. But when
you when you come and watch the ground and you
wherever you sit, it's just it really is a wonderful place.
And I'm sure that the New Zealanders, but especially all
the England touring fans will really be relishing the opportunity
to get out in the middle field of grass under
their feet.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
And it's very apt that this is the home is
where the Hall of Fame was started.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Last night.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It was a huge occasion.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
I expect you must be absolutely beaming, DeBie Hotly, to
be announced in that that first eleven.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
Yeah, I was so. I'm standing here right now, I've
got my cap in my hands like a you know,
like a real wally, just walking around with it. But
it was like it was to be one of the
eleven people with the other fabulous players of New Zealand cricket. Oh,
I'm just listening here and I think there.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Could be another wicket.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Yes, sorry, I'm doing a bit of live commentary as
I'm talking to you. But the yeah, lot, it's actually
been quite quite emotional because just being in the same
room as either the players or the representatives of the players,
you know, people like Bert Cyclists and John Reid, and
with two of the women who I played in my
(06:35):
very first New Zealand team, with Tristian mcclvey and Jackie Lord.
You know, it's it's been very, very cool and great
to meet those other players or their representatives.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
He played Test cricket, which in this day and age,
people go, what you're kidding me? Right back in the day,
you'd love that to come back. He didn't ever played
at the Basin.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Actually I don't think I played.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
No, I didn't play a Test at the Basin, but
we were just talking about to. So the last Test
that I played was sort of in nineteen ninety six.
But someone just asked me that question about Test cricket
and I was saying, you know, when I first played
Test cricket, we were only playing three day matches, so
which is kind of a waste of time perfect to
be perfectly honest. So I think that if you're going
(07:20):
to you know, if you're going to play tests. They
need to, you know, they need to be sort of
treated with the respect that they deserve. So so, and
I was also saying while I was lucky, like I
played about nineteen tests, I think, but I didn't get
the opportunity at all to play in t twenties. So
you know, look, you win some and your well, you
don't lose them, But it just depends on what's being
(07:41):
played at the time that you play yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Nineteen tests on three hundred and one runs.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
At fifty two point oh four, you'd take that, wouldn't you.
If you look back at your career and you are
now in the Hall of Fame, what do you think
you'd most like to.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Be remembered for.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
As far as your contribution to cricket over the years,
I mean, first woman president anywhere of a national cricket association,
there's that. There's your bowling, your caps, There's a whole
lot of stuff. What stands out for you?
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Do you know what stands out for me? Most, I
have to say is probably the fact that I tried
to be quite consistent, but also that I was the
captain of the side for two of our Rose Bowl
wins over Australia nineteen eighty seven and then I think
maybe in nineteen ninety nine or nineteen ninety eight or.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Something like that.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
And to be honest, that's probably what I'm most proud of, DARSI,
because it's having series wins over Australia is seriously difficult
to do and to be involved with two out of
the three Rose Bowls wins that we've had in our history,
that's probably the thing I'm most proud of, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Some amazing names, plainly, and some of them very predictable,
in the likes of Sir Richard Hadley and Glenn Turner.
They put them down first on the list. But when
you look across the eleven, I think it's fantastic that
women's cricket, because it is cricket, has been involved. I mean,
you mentioned Tris mcelvey, you mentioned Jackie Lord. Of course
(09:12):
there's Emily Drummond there as well. It's really important, isn't it.
Looking forward in New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Oh well, I think that, you know, like I love
New Zealand cricket because I think that they have been
very inclusive and I think that it's a fear reflection
like having four females and seven males in this initial
first eleven is reflective of the you know, the length
of time that cricket's been played by both sexes and
(09:39):
so I think that I think proportionality is great and
going forward there will be more people added to the
Hall of Fame. But you know, I have an enormous
amount of respect for New Zealand cricket for their inclusive
inclusivity and I think that the the the people who
have been in the Hall of Fame this time, I
(10:01):
think it's a really good refreshed reflection of cricket over
the last however many years.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Suckcliffe read Lord Mcalvy, Turner, Hadley, Hockley, Crow Drum Victory
and McCallum. Now that is a first to leave in
on that. Congratulations and thanks very much for joining us
me to go back to the cricket Debbie Hankley.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
Thanks very much for the opportunity. Darcy, it's been a
real thrill, So thanks for you just broadcasting about it's been.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Great dissecting the sporting agenda.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's Sportsfix with Jason Pain and Darcy Waldegrave.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined that
a domestic football match between two New Zealand clubs would
be as big as tomorrow's second A League derby between
Auckland FC and the Wellington Phoenix is going to be.
Tickets were snapped up so quickly that new areas of
Go Media Stadium have been opened up to get more
people in. Now those tickets are all gone. It's a
(10:59):
complete sellout and some tickets are now turning up on
trade meet for about three or four hundred dollars each.
When has there ever been a game of domestic football
in New Zealand between two New Zealand teams that you
couldn't get a ticket to and had to buy one
off trade me. And it's not that this is a
grand final, it's just a regular season game. So how
has this happened? You have to look squarely at the
(11:22):
competition's new boys, Auckland FC for starters. Obviously, what they're
doing on the field is amazing. Five games, five wins,
five clean sheets. Everybody loves a winner. But the club
have done a brilliant job of quickly engaging with their
fan base in a way that few other teams have managed.
The last two new clubs in the A League. Western
United and MacArthur FC drew very modest first up crowds
(11:45):
and haven't been able to get any traction. Already, thousands
are turning up to what Aukland FC. Even in the
pouring rain. Last week they had thirteen thousand there. It'll
be double that tomorrow for Derby two point zero. The
rivalry has been stoked by friendly banter and sometimes not
so friendly between the two sets of fans and those
(12:06):
involved in the two clubs. Players and everybody is talking
about the derby. Everybody is talking about the football. So
who wins for me? Auckland FC's perfect start ends tomorrow.
Both sides are excellent defensively, but I just feel like
Wellington Phoenix have slightly more attacking weapons than Auckland FC do.
(12:30):
It's the Nicks one nill for me. But what an
occasion it promises to be.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfax.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Let us gather in the chamber the end to kick
around a few sports issues today. Darcy, you're the motorsport guru.
Among us there are only two of us, so you know,
don't get too big hitted about it. The competition's not
that stuff. But I wanted to ask you about this.
George Russell, max Verstappen stash now apparently for Stappen wasn't
(13:00):
pleased after Cutter. They're in Abu Derby now and George
Russell is fired back with them with interest. Has mey
what's the background to all of this?
Speaker 5 (13:08):
To motorsport? Not soap opera, but this is what it's
turned into right now. I think that for the most part,
people enjoy a bit of personality, and that is why
that amazing show propelled everybody drive to survive into Formula one,
because it showed the emotion and it showed them as
being axul human beings as opposed to just flesh passengers
(13:30):
in a car. But the stabben was well half a
second slow, and even less than that. It was like,
I think point zero five of a second faster than
Russell and the qualifying But there was an inquiry into
the stewards talking about a one place penalty for driving
unnecessarily slowly. There was an incident with Russell and Stappin,
(13:53):
and Russell started complaining over the radio right saying it's
super dangerous and your your bad driver, and blah blah
blah blah, Blah had a right crack at him, so
then you know the stapping comes back. So I've lost
all respect for you, and they just keep firing barbs
at each other. The thing is, Max for Stapen is
a Formula One champion, So at the end of the day,
even if he did see George Russell claims he goes
(14:15):
matts Verstapen threatened to put me on my effing head
in the wall out.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
That's pretty nasty, right, that is that is nasty in it?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
But did I hear that George Russell has has basically
called him a.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Bully, a liar, a loser. Yeah, there's all sorts going.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
This is like this is like school yard stuff, isn't
it where it is?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
But as I said, it's personality and people love personality
and sport. Itsells as stories even though the big story
around here quite thank this is how Red Bull managed
to lose their Constructors Championship and of course for us,
what happens with Liam Lawson and apparently Piney Det's going
to be announced early next week after Abu Dabbi and
(15:02):
Perry's is still rolling run going. I've got a contract
for next year. I'm not going anywhere. It's like, okay,
you carry on believing that, but yeah, lost the talk
about incident. He's still on Formula one. Uh, the team
principal from George Russell and Mercedes has actually been backing
up the boss of Formula one around foul language because
apparently his kids have started swearing too, and they've heard
(15:23):
it from the guys on the race track. So he's
getting a bit upset around that one. A nothing like
a dam putting his foot down.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Absolutely right. Okay, Well you've heard my views on the
on the football in terms of how big this club
has got. Can I tell you what I think might
happen on the field?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Absolutely what it's.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
An explosion of interest is and I still can't quite
put my finger on it, but you're helping me out
now with that opinion piece. But let's get to what
really really really counts, and that is mount smart.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
What's going to go on at go media.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, here's what here's here's the way I and this
is this is not deep analysis, dar see, this is
kind of I guess you know, broad analysis is that
it's no and this isn't Rocket sciences either, but neither
team is that likely to conceive goals. Auckland haven't sented
any as we know in their five games. Wellington Phoenix
have only conceded three in five games, and two of
(16:13):
those were against Auckland. So defensively, both sides are very good. Therefore,
you look at the attack of each side and say
to yourself, right, which of these two attacks is more
likely or has more potential to unlock the other's water
tight defense. And I think the answer to that is
Wellington Phoenix. I look at guys like cost of barbarusis
Marco Rojas, a couple of guys you've obviously enjoyed watching,
(16:35):
you know, in Phoenix colors and other colors over the years,
including for the all whites, the Japanese players, a decky
Ishiga in particular, and off the bench, look out for
a bloke with very very long hair, which I'm jealous
of Stefan Kolakowsky to come on and make an impact.
I just feel as though Wellington Phoenix have more attacking weaponry.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Than Auckland FC.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I'm not saying it's going to be three or four nil,
but I think if it's a game decided by one goal,
Wellington Phoenix are more likely to score that one goal.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
And they're rested, right, They've rested it a week off,
so they'll have plenty in their legs. Well, what I noticed,
and again you're the football expert between two of us,
so I don't get too struck around.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Why was it that game where the Auckland I got
a sense.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I know they're slow starters and that is not ideal,
but they finished with the bang bang, which they did
last time around. But I got a feeling of a
lot of hesitation when it comes to who was going
to strike, who was going to take the opportunity where
that goal was going to come from, And it almost
felt me that guys were going you do it or no,
you do it, And any momentum they got down the
(17:39):
park slowed up when it really mattered.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Did you see that too or was just me and Fantasyland?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
No, not at all. And I think they're still coming together.
An attack defensively excellent. I mean, you know, the numbers
will tell you that haven't conceded in five games. That
speaks to a very organized defense. But at the other end,
they haven't cut teams apart. They haven't really found any
attacking cohesion as hit by make a liar of me tomorrow,
no doubt by putting two or three Wellington's net. But
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that is the work on for Steve Coricker and he
can work on that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
He's a former striker himself.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So he's got Danny Hay and you know others looking
after the defense. Steve Kyriker, i'm sure is working on
ways for Auckland FC to be more potent in the
attacking third. Hey, just before we exit the chamber, we've
got eleven inductees into the Cricket Hall of Fame, New
Zealand Crickets Hall of Fame. Any major talking points in
terms of oh missions here. They get added to every year,
(18:35):
so it's not like one and done. But were you
surprised at all by the eleven?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I think what I enjoyed about the eleven was the
healthy dose of wahinan there.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
It wasn't a boys club.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
It was like, Hey, the contributions to New Zealand cricket
over the years haven't been solely about the men, and
I thought that was fantastic. Debbie Hockley involved in this,
not saying she had the whip hand over it, but
for me that is refreshing and I think, as Francis
Pain pointed out, the wonderful Frances Pain, this is not
(19:06):
a definitive list.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
This is subjective and.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
It's all about talking points around the grandeur of New
Zealand cricket, well in this case since.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
World War Two.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
I think that's what we should reflect on more than
the individuals, but what they represent for our summer's game.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Piney couldn't have put it better myself, Darcy couldn't have
put it better myself.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I like the mix.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I think there's there's some obvious ones which are there,
some that people go, oh, that's interesting, but are still accurate,
and every year more are going to be added so
to be a talking point for you and me and
more importantly our listeners. Every time the Hall of Fame
inductions roll around each year. That is us in the
chamber for today.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
This is Sports Fix, your daily does of sports News,
how and by News Talks Evy, And that is.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Us on the Sports Fix podcast for another day and
another week. But don't worry, we're back on Monday. I'm
picking all parts of the Sporting Weekend. Of course, if
you subscribe to sports Fix, Darcy, as you well know,
that will happen automatically into your podcast feed.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
And when you say we are back on Monday, you
meet you because I've still got the day off and
I don't intend on moving to do anything. But if
you want to hear more from a Piney over the weekend,
you can twelve till three on weekend sports Saturday and Sunday.
Of course here sports Talk on Monday from seven to eight,
and then I drag my corpse back into it again
with sportstal between at seven and eight Tuesday through Friday,
(20:31):
where you get to play the game as well. On
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let's get involved in sports Fixed, because we certainly are.
Piney have a wonderful weekend.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Right back at you does.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
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Speaker 1 (20:49):
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