March 14, 2025 • 7 mins
Joseph Parker has every chance to become world heavyweight boxing champion once more, according to his former promoter Dean Lonergan.
The World Boxing Organisation has given Ukrainian WBO champ Oleksandr Usyk 30 days to negotiate a bout with Parker.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talks'd.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be good evening, Dno, Darcy, you brother, I'm doing very
very well, really excited about what may or may not
happen with the Joe Parker in the future.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
They're not too distant the long term. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
You, of course, spent a lot of time in the
shady world of boxing at the heavyweight level. Can you
explain to us in simple terms what's going on now
with Dubois, Parker and Usik because it seems to be
changing with every passing minute.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It's pretty simple, really.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Joe has been the WBO interim heavyweight champion for some time,
so effectively in the number one position and or just
above the number one position. He's been made mandatory right
now by the WBO. Now that's fantastic news for Joe.
So that means that Ersk has to fight him. Now
Here's what's interesting is that in the world of boxing,
(01:01):
a unification fight trump's a mandatory right. So Ersk if
he chooses to fight Dubois, we'll see Joe wait until
the next fight around, and then you'd have to think
the winner of Dubois versus ERSK will fight Joe Parker
because they want to unify and become the undisputed the
heavy eight champ of the world. Or you know, like
(01:23):
I don't know exactly where the WBO are going to
sit on this. They could potentially, you know, this week's
up the IBF would do, but they the bodies do
agree on this because they want a unifight champ, you know,
so if he fights one or the other, one of
them can get stripped, you know, and you end up
fighting for the vacant title. But more than likely ers
will fight Dubois because that's where the big money is,
(01:46):
and they'll probably do that fight. I would have thought
in England to be bluntly honest, because that's going to
drive a whole lot of pay per view revenues for
the Saudi's out of England, and then I think Joe
Parker will get his change. But whatever whatever happens, and
whenever it happens, I can guarantee you this, Joe Parker
one hundred is going to fight for the heavyweight title
of the world, and more than luckily it'll be for
the undisputed the heavy at title of the world, which
is exciting stuff. If he gets to fight Dubois for that,
(02:08):
I believe he wins that fighters a bit tougher because Joe,
you know, has struggled a little bit with South Pauls
over at the course of his career, and Ersik might
be one of the greatest South Pauls that have ever boxed,
have ever boxed, but you know, Ers's only got two
more fights left in him, and Joe Parker might be
one of them.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Regardless of what happens next.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Fight up Joseph for a massive payday and well deserved
and I think you know at some stage you're going
to see Joe become the world happyweight champion again and
maybe undisputed.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So let's roll the clock back a wee bit.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
If he decides sick that he doesn't want to take
on Joe Parker and he wants to go to Dubois,
will he be stripped of that WBO belt? Will that
be given straight away to Parker? So he receives that
belt by default. So if he does fight.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
That's not how it happens what happened. What happens is
if a champion does get stripped of the belt because
he didn't fight is mandatory. What happens is the champ
will fight or the number one will fight or the
and if we will fight the number one on number
two contender, right, So that'll be for what's called a
vacant title. But because the championship bodies, the IBF, the WBO,
(03:16):
the WBA, and the WBC all agree that it's advantageous
to have a unified title, you'll find that they don't
if they if they fight for another title to help
you fight, they don't have to fight their mandatory. Off
the top of my head, now they've got all sorts
of different rules and they'll be all sorts of different discussions
going on, and Joe might get paid step aside money.
(03:39):
It's going to come down to what the ruling bodies think.
But I think you'll find that this is just my opinion,
is that he is that Ersek will fight Dubois because
there's more money in that, and then will fight Joe
and that will be the end of verstex career. He's
only got two more fights left and I don't think
I don't think they'll strip him. But you know, for
not facing his mandatory, because he is facing he is
(04:01):
unifying the titles, but.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It can happen if they wanted to.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Look, the sanctioning bodies are fascinating, you know, and they
make all sorts of the only one that I found
was truly consistent to their rules was the IBF, and
the reason for that is go back fifteen twenty years
and make there the most corrupt and crooked of all,
and a lot of them ended up on the verge
of going to jail and in court, and as the result,
they stick to their rules like glue, and I found
(04:26):
the IBF great to deal with with the other with
the others, it's a combination of the relationships that you
have and the springs that you can pull and what
have you. But my gut feelers, you know, just Joe's
in a fantastic position. It'd be brilliant if he could
get to fight ersick. But we'll just have to wait
and see if that's what happens, and I'm sure there'll
be people moving right now. I think I think Joe's
(04:47):
being promoted by Queensberry, which is Frank Warren. And though
we working hard to make sure that they get their
piece of the action, having said that.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I'm pretty sure that Frank Warren does du bois as well,
so they're in a no new situation.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Why would the WBO make this announcement though, that they
want to see Ussek Parker with that wo Why would
they bring that up?
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Really, that's a really, really, really good question, Dars. And
what I would do is I would written the WBO
and I have a discussion with them, or indeed, you
could bring George or Frank Warren and Mate, I'm sure
I can give you both of their phone numbers and.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You can ring them up and find out because.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Maybe you never know what goes on behind the scenes
with these organizations. Maybe it was just the fact that
the thing is duing this is what it says in
their rules, or maybe it's not.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So sometimes they can be quite interesting in the decisions
they come with. But Joe's been sitting there for a
very long time as the as the interim champion. This
is well deserved and I really look forward to Joe
getting his chance at the big time again and made.
He's in for a massive heyday, you know, so good
luck to my hope it goes well.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, we love watching him fight.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
He's really improved under his new coach nutrition, everything and
one last thing for you, Dean Lodgan is always sayings
very much for your time, WI its great to catch up.
How in flunch of Saudi Arabia being in this, that's
a really good question.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
I would have thought that the Saudis are probably sitting
the one side and the WBO make their own rulings
and their own just let the IBF, do you know,
because they like to think that they're independent. But you know,
I can't stand there and say that the money hasn't
crossed people's palms. I don't know what's going on behind
the scenes, and really there's only three or four people
(06:27):
make these decisions.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
There would they might have had it just a straight.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Out committee meeting of the WBO and they sat around
the table and decided this was There was a whole
lot of decisions made, and obviously this is one that
affects one of our national heroes, and all of a
sudden it's all over the newspaper, all over the news.
So I'm a little bit distance from it, but I
do understand the nuances, and all I can tell you
(06:51):
is this, Joe Parker is an absolutely brilliant position and made.
He's looking forward, I guess to cashing in number one,
but two getting to be the heavyweight Championship.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
For more from sports talk, listen live to news talks.
They'd be from seven pm weekdays. Follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sports Talk podcast with Dancy Wildergrave
from News Talks'd.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be good evening, Dno, Darcy, you brother, I'm doing very
very well, really excited about what may or may not
happen with the Joe Parker in the future.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
They're not too distant the long term. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
You, of course, spent a lot of time in the
shady world of boxing at the heavyweight level. Can you
explain to us in simple terms what's going on now
with Dubois, Parker and Usik because it seems to be
changing with every passing minute.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It's pretty simple, really.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Joe has been the WBO interim heavyweight champion for some time,
so effectively in the number one position and or just
above the number one position. He's been made mandatory right
now by the WBO. Now that's fantastic news for Joe.
So that means that Ersk has to fight him. Now
Here's what's interesting is that in the world of boxing,
(01:01):
a unification fight trump's a mandatory right. So Ersk if
he chooses to fight Dubois, we'll see Joe wait until
the next fight around, and then you'd have to think
the winner of Dubois versus ERSK will fight Joe Parker
because they want to unify and become the undisputed the
heavy eight champ of the world. Or you know, like
(01:23):
I don't know exactly where the WBO are going to
sit on this. They could potentially, you know, this week's
up the IBF would do, but they the bodies do
agree on this because they want a unifight champ, you know,
so if he fights one or the other, one of
them can get stripped, you know, and you end up
fighting for the vacant title. But more than likely ers
will fight Dubois because that's where the big money is,
(01:46):
and they'll probably do that fight. I would have thought
in England to be bluntly honest, because that's going to
drive a whole lot of pay per view revenues for
the Saudi's out of England, and then I think Joe
Parker will get his change. But whatever whatever happens, and
whenever it happens, I can guarantee you this, Joe Parker
one hundred is going to fight for the heavyweight title
of the world, and more than luckily it'll be for
the undisputed the heavy at title of the world, which
is exciting stuff. If he gets to fight Dubois for that,
(02:08):
I believe he wins that fighters a bit tougher because Joe,
you know, has struggled a little bit with South Pauls
over at the course of his career, and Ersik might
be one of the greatest South Pauls that have ever boxed,
have ever boxed, but you know, Ers's only got two
more fights left in him, and Joe Parker might be
one of them.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Regardless of what happens next.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Fight up Joseph for a massive payday and well deserved
and I think you know at some stage you're going
to see Joe become the world happyweight champion again and
maybe undisputed.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So let's roll the clock back a wee bit.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
If he decides sick that he doesn't want to take
on Joe Parker and he wants to go to Dubois,
will he be stripped of that WBO belt? Will that
be given straight away to Parker? So he receives that
belt by default. So if he does fight.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
That's not how it happens what happened. What happens is
if a champion does get stripped of the belt because
he didn't fight is mandatory. What happens is the champ
will fight or the number one will fight or the
and if we will fight the number one on number
two contender, right, So that'll be for what's called a
vacant title. But because the championship bodies, the IBF, the WBO,
(03:16):
the WBA, and the WBC all agree that it's advantageous
to have a unified title, you'll find that they don't
if they if they fight for another title to help
you fight, they don't have to fight their mandatory. Off
the top of my head, now they've got all sorts
of different rules and they'll be all sorts of different discussions
going on, and Joe might get paid step aside money.
(03:39):
It's going to come down to what the ruling bodies think.
But I think you'll find that this is just my opinion,
is that he is that Ersek will fight Dubois because
there's more money in that, and then will fight Joe
and that will be the end of verstex career. He's
only got two more fights left and I don't think
I don't think they'll strip him. But you know, for
not facing his mandatory, because he is facing he is
(04:01):
unifying the titles, but.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It can happen if they wanted to.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Look, the sanctioning bodies are fascinating, you know, and they
make all sorts of the only one that I found
was truly consistent to their rules was the IBF, and
the reason for that is go back fifteen twenty years
and make there the most corrupt and crooked of all,
and a lot of them ended up on the verge
of going to jail and in court, and as the result,
they stick to their rules like glue, and I found
(04:26):
the IBF great to deal with with the other with
the others, it's a combination of the relationships that you
have and the springs that you can pull and what
have you. But my gut feelers, you know, just Joe's
in a fantastic position. It'd be brilliant if he could
get to fight ersick. But we'll just have to wait
and see if that's what happens, and I'm sure there'll
be people moving right now. I think I think Joe's
(04:47):
being promoted by Queensberry, which is Frank Warren. And though
we working hard to make sure that they get their
piece of the action, having said that.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
I'm pretty sure that Frank Warren does du bois as well,
so they're in a no new situation.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Why would the WBO make this announcement though, that they
want to see Ussek Parker with that wo Why would
they bring that up?
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Really, that's a really, really, really good question, Dars. And
what I would do is I would written the WBO
and I have a discussion with them, or indeed, you
could bring George or Frank Warren and Mate, I'm sure
I can give you both of their phone numbers and.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You can ring them up and find out because.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Maybe you never know what goes on behind the scenes
with these organizations. Maybe it was just the fact that
the thing is duing this is what it says in
their rules, or maybe it's not.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Who knows.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So sometimes they can be quite interesting in the decisions
they come with. But Joe's been sitting there for a
very long time as the as the interim champion. This
is well deserved and I really look forward to Joe
getting his chance at the big time again and made.
He's in for a massive heyday, you know, so good
luck to my hope it goes well.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, we love watching him fight.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
He's really improved under his new coach nutrition, everything and
one last thing for you, Dean Lodgan is always sayings
very much for your time, WI its great to catch up.
How in flunch of Saudi Arabia being in this, that's
a really good question.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
I would have thought that the Saudis are probably sitting
the one side and the WBO make their own rulings
and their own just let the IBF, do you know,
because they like to think that they're independent. But you know,
I can't stand there and say that the money hasn't
crossed people's palms. I don't know what's going on behind
the scenes, and really there's only three or four people
(06:27):
make these decisions.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
There would they might have had it just a straight.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Out committee meeting of the WBO and they sat around
the table and decided this was There was a whole
lot of decisions made, and obviously this is one that
affects one of our national heroes, and all of a
sudden it's all over the newspaper, all over the news.
So I'm a little bit distance from it, but I
do understand the nuances, and all I can tell you
(06:51):
is this, Joe Parker is an absolutely brilliant position and made.
He's looking forward, I guess to cashing in number one,
but two getting to be the heavyweight Championship.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
For more from sports talk, listen live to news talks.
They'd be from seven pm weekdays. Follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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