October 24, 2024 • 41 mins
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Ronnie Hira - Former Blackcap - On whether the toss needs to be removed from cricket?
Yvonne Willering - Former Silver Ferns Coach - On the teams impressive form against Australia.
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Coming up in tonight's program. It's toward the end of
the show. Yvonne Willering joins us, one of my favorite correspondents,
form A Fern, former Selver Fern's coach. What now? What now?
(01:13):
The team has the smirched Australia's good name here in
New Zealand? Can they carry it on? Will the trend
of being thrashed in the West Island after having success here?
Carry on? What has to change? What has to lift?
Even'm wondering it, joins us later on in the piece
ort of kick things off with a Roddy header. He's
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a tweaker. Played some T twenty international cricket for New Zealand,
played a bit for Canterbury for Auckland for northern districts.
So I think he might have had a couple of
role eithers there. I believe so. And we're going to
talk about the relevance of the toss, he joins us
next and we'll take your thoughts and calls on that.
Before that, though, let's do this sport today and in
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sport today, the Breakers they're taking on the Southeast Melbourne
Phoenix tonight in Christian the Ark has barbecued their coach
after an horrific five mile start to the season. Let's
read zero and five. It was a disaster, but it's
something that Breakers coach Copenhen believes will help the opposition tonight.
(02:18):
The coach change, you will look at the teams will change
the course. You might get the you know, sudded boost
for the players because also players feel responsible, so they
also feel they need to step up. It's also dangerous,
you know, they want to prove and show everybody they
are much better. Team Wellington Phoenix marksman Costa Barbarusso says
given the brand shining, spanking new A League franchise, Aukland
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if se the thumbs up after the impressive start to
the season.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
One hundred miles an hour at times. I think that
adrenaline was playing a part of that. I think they're
gonna give us a good game of round three and
see if we can disrupt the start of the season.
But I thought for the first outing and obviously a
whole new squad that looked pretty good.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Do you think he's gonna get a poke in the
eye from the coaching stuff for talking the old position
up Costa really and Kangaroos and Warriors prop Mitch Barnett
has been sean Odaha by the Octa Taghi locals ahead
of this Sunday's Pacific Championship test match in christ Church,
which has sold out on my dad.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
It's been sort of pretty funny coming here and being
very well known by the regul league community here, so
I've had a lot of people asking for photos and
wish me the best.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It's been nice.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Change trust me, mate, that won't be so kind when
you put on that green and gold strip, prance on
out into the middle and that's sports today. We're joined
now by Ronnie Hurro. He's a former Black Cap in
the thought he played a handful of T twenty international games,
played a lot of his regular domestic cricket for Auckland
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and for Canterbury as well. I mean me talking to
Ronnie about the nature of the toss. Now the irony
here as we talked about this this morning about the
toss and how important it is or is in and
should it be changed? And you know, and do you
win the toss? And they insert themselves and it's trouble
at now and we're losing already, and of course what
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happens to New Zealand win the toss and have done
very well? What ninety two for two? I think it
is at the end of the first sessions play But
that's fantastic. This has been discussed before, but I think
it's getting more and more relevant the significance of the
toss in Test cricket. It's slightly more advantageous when you
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look at the percentage of wins should you win the toss,
But when you look at the current era of cricket,
the import of Test match cricket victories, the ability of
home teams to prepare the pit exactly how they want
it to their benefit. Surely the incoming team should have
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some kind of leg up and be able to determine
whether they bat first or bowl first, regardless of a
piece of blind luck, because that's what it is. He
joins us. Now, Ronnie here, Ronnie, welcome to the show.
Thanks having Me's talk about the toss. This always comes
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up when it looks like there's a massive advantage for
whoever wins the toss and a massive advantage for the
home team. Is they prep their decks? You know all
about this? Is there a pronounced advantage? Does it need
to be looked at?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I think you know, obviously now they're playing for the
World Test Championship, those points are really crucial. And I
think if you look at what's going on in Pakistan
and how dramatic it looks with the fans and the
heaters and things trying to dry out the surface, you
can see that they're obviously trying to tailor the surface
for their players and their conditions. So I think perhaps
something needs to be done about it. They also played
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on a used wicket last time, which I don't think
was overly fair, but it does seem like it's becoming
more and more of the trend, and I guess, without
being too biased, you've got to think about our own
conditions too, Like we produce look as that suit our bowlers,
but I don't think it's as dramatic as what you're
seeing in the lu likes of Pakistan and perhaps India.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well, how much care do you prepare? Let's taken it home.
We know that when players or teams from the hotter
areas in the world, they generally get thrown into the
needing at the start of the series where it's freezing cold,
is a bit a bit grassy. Is that more of
a pronounced advantage though, than what possibly India and Pakistan
have been preparing with their dust bowls? Yes, somewhat.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I mean when overseas teams when the sub Continent come
to New Zealand, they do get you know, greener wickets,
and it's also the bounce to you know, like they're
not used to that sort of movement off the scene
and then obviously the bounce, so that does sort of
catch them by surprise. I guess they shouldn't be surprised
by now. They've seen a lot of times. But also
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when you play the players of that base and they
always talk about how green the wicked is and it
doesn't always plays as green as it appears, and those
games usually go right to the last day. When you're
talking about India and Sri Lange, in Bangladesh sometimes in Pakistan,
those games you know, if they are turning wickets can
finish in two and a half three days, So it
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just I guess it's just different. But yeah, I know
people will accuse usial and cricket of doing exactly the
same thing, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But does it make a big difference when it comes
to winning the toss regardless of pitch preparation, because statistically, yeah,
there is still an advantage if you do win the
toss and you win them in your own conditions, but
it's maybe not as pronounced as people would like to
think it is.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Well, I mean it does show you if you get
it wrong and that last Test and they've got it
wrong and look at it didn't it didn't end well,
you know they're finding the rest of those four days
or you know, the rest of that Test match after
winning the toss and making the wrong decisions. So you'd
have to say that, yes, winning the toss in the
right conditions, that could have easily been New Zealand bowled
out for forty or fifty. So you'd have to say
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that winning the toss and the right type of conditions
will be of some assistance, that's for sure. You play
in England holy season and it's cloudy, overcast and swinging,
that's obviously going to play into their hands. If England
win the toss and it's the same when you get
to India. They came out and said as much. Rowart
Sharma said that they misread the conditions and they would
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have bowled first if they'd known how it was going
to play out. But yeah, it does. I think it
does have an advantage for sure winning the toss.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Would it even playing fields somewhat? When teams visited they
had the choice whether they wanted a bat or bowl,
no toss at all? Right, the way through the series?
Does it need to be that extreme? Can it be
slightly different? Like ultimate choices? How would it work best?
Do you think run?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Perhaps?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
I think that first the first coment you made was
it was pretty accurate, because that means that they'd have
to prepare somewhat of a fair wicket for that first day. Now,
if it deteriorates after three or four days, that's just
the natural course of a wicket weathering and people running
on it and bowler is running on and stuff like that,
and that's just natural causes. However, you'd have to prepare
somewhat of a fair wicket on that first day. And
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I think you've seen it happen in county cricket. They've
been doing it a little bit in the second Division
and saying, hey, yeah, the away team can choose where
they want to bat and ball first, and it does
somewhat make the groundsman and also the association, you know,
whether that's at county level or international level, prepare a
decent wicket to start off with.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Does that take away from the competition at all? Until
you do it and play on it, you don't really know.
Do you Have they noticed that in county cricket, I'm
not sure.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I mean, yeah, most of the teams that go there,
I guess if you look at the data. I haven't
looked at it too much, but i'd suggest they would
bowl first and try and you know, skid all the
team betting first and Test matches, you know, over five
days you're going to get that natural weathering of a wicket.
And I would assume that most teams on a flat
wicket obviously, places like Australia places like South Africa, perhaps
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with bat first in India and the sub content, you
don't want to be betting last, so again you probably
looked to bat first, so the toss would become more
interesting or the team the decision would become more interesting,
and I think it would somewhat alter the balance for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Would that possibly run a hero make it all a
bit vanilla when actually the nations start preparing pictures that
don't do a great deal either way because they don't
want to be caught at the wrong end of it,
if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Well, it was brazen at the moment. I mean, that's
for sure, it's interesting, but also probably they're putting it
out there. Like I said, if you saw the wicket
that's being prepared in Pakistan with the industrial fans at
either end and some heaters and things, it's pretty dramatic
and you know what you're going to expect. They're just
trying to dry the wicked out and it's going to
be a dust ball and that's not going to play
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into England's ends. For sure. They can play three spinners,
but their batters have to bat against players who play
in those conditions all the time. It's going to make
it a bit more boring possibly, but it is are
going to make it more fair probably as well, because
like as the World Test Championship is a world trophy
on the line, and it's not like a World Cup
that's over in a month, right, this is an eighteen
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month two year cycle was two years worth of work.
It has to be somewhat fair over that period of time.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Something about having the home advantage though, that I think
is comfortable out of people, he come to our house,
We're going to do whatever we want to try and
over turn you. And it's been like that historically. What
one hundred and fifty odd years Does that count for anything?
Or was this whole tradition concept ridiculous in this new
competitive day and age, Ronnie, Yeah, good question.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Probably, you know, times have change. Perhaps I don't know
whether we went in New Zealand, for example, we have
to prepare low and slow like one day you know
one day wickets and they went very much fun to
play on. And can remember in Hamilton when the pitch
broke up and there were creaters and things like that.
So you know, again we're not we're not crystal clear
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or clean in this situation. We've done a number of
those things ourselves. But you know, I guess we know
when you're preparing a work at the last five days,
it needs to start off in a reasonable condition for
it to last a whole five days. And I guess
the way that's being prepared and set up in some
of these other conditions, perhaps it's not even going to
last five days because they're anticipating in the pitch being
or the game being finished in three and a half
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or four days. You know, I think the ICC perhaps
need to get involved and have some minimum standards or
what the pitches need to be, and maybe that can
control it a bit. But like you say, it's either one.
I think it's either one thing or the other. Let
everybody do whatever they want and then what the outcome
will be, or have some sort of standards in place
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to make sure that there are some sort of standard
of wickets at least start.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
A game and it totally What are the players think
sitting around, throwing stories around in the sheds, changing rooms,
you know, having a drink afterwards in the bars. It's
something that comes up in conversations. That's something that gets addressed.
What are the players make.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
There's not much they can do really, you know they
ultimately cricket's the individual game and the some of us parts.
You are the team, right you're out there with the bat.
You've got to make the best of conditions. And you're
seeing guys like Devin Conway, for example, going through a
bit of a lean leane patch at the moment with
the bat. Although he had a good innings in the
last Test, he's playing in conditions that are completely against
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his natural skill set and somewhat trying to make the
best of what he can. Right, So I guess you know,
when you go into those conditions, you try and prepare
the best you can. You face the net bowlers that
are available, you beat on the conditions that are there.
But yeah, I guess it wouldn't be much fun and
you can see your side struggling and those conditions where
New Zealand played really well, to be fair to them
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in the last Test, both with the bat and both
innings and with the ball clearly bowling a team out
for forty odd so they basically made them maximize the
use out of those conditions. But they'll be sitting around thinking,
look that prepares the conditions are against us, they're against
our favor and how best can we confront this? And
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I think if you look at something like England, they'll
just try and go and play their own cricket and
try and bash their way out of it. Now that's
one way to do it. Or do you take the
more New Zealand approach in terms of King Williamson, Tom
Latham and trying stick it out. So there's definitely two
approaches or a few approaches to it. But they'll be
they'll be thinking about a method or they'll be thinking
about a way to try and maximize their time at
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the wicket.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You no need to be dmo. We've got the breakdown
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Speaker 6 (14:22):
News Talk.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
After seven. Ronnie here. They're a former Black Cap in
the T twenty position, also played a lot of his
domestic cricket, tweaking the ball away for Auckland Canterbury as well.
Talking about the toss and if it should be removed
from cricket. This discussion is bubbled before it's being around,
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and I think it becomes more in focused when we
get to a situation like in India where the pitch
can be doctored. Sounds like they're cheating because they're not.
They're quite entitled to do it. The pitch can be
altered to benefit the home team, and then on top
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of that, there's a chance to get further advantage by
winning a toss. I don't think that's fair and right.
I think it's a hangover from three hundred years ago
or whenever this game started. It needs to be adjusted.
So I questioned you, very simple a one hundred and
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eighty ten eighty. Should the toss be removed from cricket?
This is an international level stuff. In your local club
you need some way and you can't prep the pitch anyway,
so it doesn't matter. But removed from international cricket and
the away side be able to choose what they want
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to do, I say yes, absolutely. The only constant is changed.
You need to adjust and tweak, and in this day
and age, the advantage lies so much more with the
home team and it will be nice. Wouldn't it be
nice if there was a little more balance. Should the
toss be removed? Should the away team be able to
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choose what they want to do? Bat all ball? Considering
the advantage the home team gets when it comes to
pitch preparation, twenty two minutes up to seven. Lines are open,
your calls eight one hundred two eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty excuse me, give us a call. Whatever you
are more about the toss and if you've just changed
any want what's happening in the cricket? Ninety two for
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to two. You said the one that toss has happens.
They chose to bat. I think what they did, they
didn't choose to bat, they chose not to bat. Last
I think that was more than anything else. Ninety two
for two not bad going at lunch at the moment,
lines are open, your calls up. Next, this is news
Dog's EB. Look for you.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
I guess you're getting everything on and you got in
your car and your career is really taking them.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It's forget the riffs. Call you make a call on
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Speaker 2 (17:17):
Sports Look on the News Talk ZV and Darcy Mine's
raven on one hundred and eighty ten eighty. So we
bin the toss. So we toss the toss, remove it
out you go. Just let the visitors choose what they
want to do. It's fair and right.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Isn't it?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Lucky?
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Maybe not. Okay, Yeah, I reckon they should alternate toss
or alternate the decision each test, so it's like a
two test series. Then each team gets the decision. If
it's three or five, potentially the away team gets the advantage.
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Why not?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I think what I like behind this is that the
home team get to prepare. And I don't know if
there's any other sport like you in the world that
one team gets to prepare the playing surface to their
advantage over top of the other. And if that's the case,
that is a distinct advantage. So why not give some
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balance to the opposition coming in and say, do what
you want right the way through this, We'll prepare the deck,
you make the call.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah I did that. But that's also it's been part
of the game for so many years, and it's kind
of what makes winning a test away from home so great,
don't you think?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I think winning a test away from home is great
because you're exactly that, you're away from home. You're an
unfamiliar conditions, not playing in a place that you are
comfortable in. I don't know how much this is just
me though, like you not the bell on the end
or when it comes to cricket. I'd just like to
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see it maybe adjusted and I go back to your
cera and then that it's always been around. But I
don't think tradition should have any bearing on what happens
in the future, should it.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's a fair point. I still think
just alternating it is quite a few way to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
What it would be a start for me. A bit
of difference, And mean, I suppose lucky in your point
of view, the English coming out here, right, yeah, and
we apply that and three test series, so you guys
have your choice in the first, we'll have our choice
in the third, so they're at an advantage. Would we
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be comfortable with that?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Well, I thought you were saying if the away team.
I thought you wanted the away team to have all
the decisions.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Well I'm saying I'm talking to you though. If you
have it your way and it goes back and forth,
is that still comfortable? I wouldn't mind at all the
English had you get every toss, mate, but even we'll
prepare our grounds and we'll just see what happens. But
you've got the whip hand here.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, Well, you could go the other way. You could
go the home team gets the one up in a
three or five match series. I just think it's a
little bit more fair without changing it completely.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Okay, and you slowly but surely maneuver the change into place.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
That's the one. That's the one. Don't test too many
people off.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Lucky. Well put. It's a really good way of actually
running your existence, isn't it. Craig? How are you?
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Oh, good evening? How's it going?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Good? Good? Good? What do you make of this toss?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Interesting take on it? I think I should basically just
slick with it, have because I mean, how far do
you go do you get rid of the coin toss?
And say, if the orbects played England and England and
the coin toos is who starts the ball, who takes
what field? Do you get rid of that coin toss
as well? Because in England has a home advantage, Well
I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I don't really think though, the advantage in any other
sport besides cricket is so pronounced that it actually is
distinctly if you do win the toss. I mean, the
rugby bitch is a rugby bitch. Maybe there's a bit
of wind, but it's not that, is it?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
No?
Speaker 6 (21:40):
No, I think the main problem with that is you've
got the Southern Hemisphere referees in Northern hem is there
they basically work on two different ways of playing rugby.
I mean that if you want to get that far away,
they should basically make it sort of the same everywhere.
I mean, my dad referees rugby at schools and stuff,
and the way they referee from the book is totally
different to how it's refereed on the NPC, which confuses
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a lot of kids, but which is.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Also very different the way they refereen it up believing
in the World Cup they just fly right in the
face or whatever rule book there is. I mean, that's
a that's a whole different story. But when it comes
to is it uneven, You've got a three percent better
chance of winning the game if you win the toss
and test cricket, six percent chance of winning the game
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if you win the toss in short version and white
ball cricket. So it's not a massive advantage, but it's
still an advantage. And do we need that in this
day and age. Is this the right way to do it?
Because it's been.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Yeah, well, if it's like a three game test or something,
maybe you should have it so that you do a
coin toss at the first one, and whoever wins the
coin toss and the other team starts first in the
second game, and then the sod one slam's first and
the third game, so that you do get a chance
of starting first or second, depending on how you go.
I suppose yeh lucky mention that of war.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So you kind of go, oh, but you kind of
come halfway. But of course you can still as the
home team, manipulate the conditions when you don't have the
toss or when So when you do have the toss,
so go okay, right, we're definitely batting first, so get
out there and take all of the grass off it
and then water the outfield. So it's a bog. They
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wouldn't go that far, but you know what I mean,
they can still got that control outside of the control
of the game when you're actually playing.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Well, maybe they have to like an international scene of
the pictures and have an independent body that goes around
and does moisture shut samples on the outfield and the
initial pitch and goes sorry, that's not up to spec.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well, that's what that's what Ronnie was suggesting before.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Yeah, but you have to there's someone independent something like that.
But yeah, either that will just draw straws.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I mean, but it's still it's still lark. I mean,
it's still a way of determining it. I don't know
how many people get to I know that I get
my nose out of joint if they'll lose the toss
and it destroys any prospects of winning. Does it happen
all the time? Not necessarily? Great, Hey, thanks for your time, mate,
great like of the drawers luck, And that's that's a
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problem for me. It is anyway. I think luck to
play any part in sport at all is witchcraft. It's insane,
Like the toss, there is no skill in it whatsoever. Nothing.
It's blind luck. That's all it is. And it can
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be and it is even only to a slight percentage,
but it can be very instrumental. When I go back
to what I was saying before, and you see it,
and won the toss this town round. They didn't choose
to bat first. I think they chose not to bat second,
if that makes sense. No one wants to bat second
on a pitch that's been prepared to turn into a
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proper dim at the end, just fall apart. No one
wants to so there's no skill. It's only luck and
I don't think that has a place in modern sport,
not when you consider the amount of money in it,
the amount of time involved. Can't chuckle the dice. I
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mean you want luck, go watch poker. But even then
there's some skill on that isn't It isn't. Twenty six
minutes to eight oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
lines are open. I've got some texts coming in nine
two ninety two. That is a ZBZB stand a text
fee does apply. Let me know should the toss go?
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Should it be removed from cricket? Give the power to
the away team and try and think of it when
the English come here? About what New Zealand can do
if England have that choice. Put the shoe on that foot.
This is news talk.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
ZB beasts and a prayer to the worms of the bold.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
They hate that you mut has done.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Just jump into dove. I'm the liver.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Twenty two minutes to eight I should have thrown this
idea out. Is the toss fit for purpose? It's a
common phrase of this date age. Well, it isn't text
nineteen ninet two ZBZB Standard texts charge that does apply.
Jake and Reese say, we believe that the visiting team
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should get the choice and the ground stars should not
be allowed to touch the field since the decision to
bat or bowl is made. So you turn up, You
did the tiles and whatever is there there you can't touch.
You can't touch anyway, can you? I like the idea
of the visitors can get it. And this next test,
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next text summarizes it, alternating it makes it worse. You
just prepare your pictures with prior knowledge of which team
has the right to battle bowl first. So it sounds
like it might be fair. It could be an utter disaster.
The America's Cup is more slightly skewed toward the defender. Yes,
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indeed it is. Absolutely it is ridiculously slow. And another
one does the America's Cups like that day they make
the rules and decide when and where to race and
what to race on and how to race and what
you doing? What to race? And oh look at catamarant
and the list goes on a Darcy Rights mars. No,
it's an tradition that spans more than a century. We
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have green seamers here. That's why it's hard playing overseas,
and it means so much more when we eventually wins.
There's hard and there's ridiculous. The toss is such a
small amount of time, it's nothing. It's a flick, that's it,
And it can determine so much in the game. And
(28:02):
those determinations are not based on skill or application, ability
to adapt, it's just luck. And when you did on
the game that goes for five days, two innings aside,
all these men out there doing the best slaps that
you can, yet a lot of the result comes down
(28:24):
to a coin toss. Doesn't that seem manifest the unfair?
And you probably know what I think about condition now anyway,
it's the illusion of permanence. And just because we used
to do it doesn't mean to say have to keep
doing it. How we used to live in caves? Do
you want to keep doing that? Do you do you
want to keep dragging your wife around by the hair
(28:45):
like back in the caveman? Of course you don't. Just
because it was it doesn't mean to say it has
to be. You need to keep adjusting anyway, that's mine. Incidentally,
in the creckt we're back alive again, just to give
you an update as to where we stand. You see
the one of the toss they chose to bat, they
(29:06):
lost to Captain Latham lw to Aswyn for fifteen first
fell at thirty two and then Will Young are caught
pant Bold Ashwyn eighteen off forty five. That was at
seventy six. Now work since then, Conway not out forty
seven of one hundred and eight balls, Ratchen Ravendra is
(29:29):
not out five of thirteen and Conways just brought up
his fifty fifty one of one hundred and nine delivery.
It is ninety six for the loss of to the
second session of the first day of the second Test
as well underway. But we're going to stop talking about
cricket now. We're going to talk about recent success, not
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that we haven't had it in the cricket. In the
form of the netball.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
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Speaker 2 (30:04):
It be game over ah New Zealand comprehensive winners over
Australia for the second game in a row.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
But then is he ever sixty three goals to fifty two?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
There are a couple of absolute trouserings. Diamonds are being
thrashed at the hands of the Ferns. I don't know
if anyone saw there coming after what happened in the
Tiny Jamison series. I know someone who might though. Her
name is Evonne Willering. So she joins us now former
playform of Silver Fins head coach. So where do those
performances come from, Yvonne and welcome.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yes, bit of a surprise for some, I'd say, especially
you know after the first is whether they could reproduce
the effort, and they certainly did.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
They did, and it was not just a victory. These
were two well I don't say thrashings, but this is
pretty much as close as you getting international netball, isn't it.
You just don't see scores like this at this level,
do you nah?
Speaker 8 (31:04):
And it was interesting because the Ferns actually did have
to step up just forparability more than anything else, because
people said, yeah, well the Diamonds and myself included, the
Diamonds did not play well in that first test, and
the Ferns really took it to them. And what's interesting
the Ferns actually at the moment are playing like Australia
normally plays. And I think a lot of work has
(31:26):
been done in the Ferns camp off the court, and
I think that's been the whole, the biggest change. It's
their whole demeanor when they actually take the court, which
is fine, you know, like you can have your shoulders
back and strutting your stuff and having that confidence so
long as there's a win at the end of it.
And at the moment it's certainly going the Ferns way now.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I think it was Maddy Gordon who said they're really
changing their outlook on the game when it comes to
playing the Aussies at their own game, playing with that
extra physicality and those shoulders and those elbows and you
give it to us, We're going to give it straight
back to you. That appears to be working. Is that
the way to go? Though? No?
Speaker 8 (32:04):
Yeah, I know, and I look at that going oh,
and that's as a hard one, you know, because I
think that there are times when certainly New Zealanders and
that's not just a netball, it's in sports generally, and
we tend to be soft, you know, and we pulled back.
Whereas you know that any Australian team or they are
going in for the win. Now the importance is it
(32:25):
the performance or is it the win? And at the
moment it is the win, you know. And again that's
the credibility factor, especially after the tiny Jamison Trophy which
we lost obviously through England, and that hurt, that really
would have hurt the first they didn't play well and
that was a trophy that they took a lot of
pride in. So they had to come out in this
(32:45):
game looking sharp and it was very much about the win.
And it's interesting because Echinasia I was talking about, you know,
some of the players had to do their dirty work,
they had to be the fighters. And yet when Dame
nol and Tarrua came onto, you know, to be interviewed,
she actually did meet it. Again, yes, but within the
(33:06):
skill of the game. And I looked at that and
if you have a look at it, and Berger and
Jackson have been really and I've pumped up in the
fact how good they were against the Diamond Tackers and
they were absolutely they got into the heads of them,
they stopped shooting. But having said that, they also had
a huge penalty count against them, and that is something
(33:29):
I'd like to see reduced.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Former national team coach Silver Ferns from silver fern itself,
Evonne Willering joining us that that abrupt change in what
the players bring to the court. That can't be an
easy thing to do from a coaching perspective when you've
coached the same way for so long to expect such
a turnaround. This is quite the trick from Dame Noleane.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
Yeah, and she's also got some brownie eckle. You know,
she's a specious coach that's coming from Australia, and I
think she has also had an influence in this whole
thing because I don't forget she knows exactly where the
die and so about both on the court and off
the court, and I guess she is also helping to
instill that. So I think now it's a situation of
(34:15):
actually finding a fine line in that. So, you know,
the focus absolutely has to be on performance. I mean,
you put the performance in, the results will speak for themselves.
So yeah, I think they can take great heart from
what they've done. I think they've done some wonderful things.
But having said that, it was interesting I said at
the beginning. You know, Bruce and Weston coming back into
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the Australian Diamonds was going to add more value to them.
They were not there during the end when England was
over in Australia, but they were back. But they actually
both found wanting and were both taken off at different
times because they've come back from injuries and they just
did not have the impact that they normally did have.
And I guess because they were coming off the injuries,
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they just not match fits. So I am expecting to
see an Australian team again, a wounded Australian team, you know,
I come back stronger on Australian soil. And it's really interesting.
I don't know if you know. But if it's now
with New Zealand going over to OZ, if it stayed
with the old rules, even if the Australian Diamonds managed
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to get two wins against the Ferns, the Ferns still
would have won the trophy, the Consolation Cup on gold differential.
But now if it does come to two all, then
it's a situation where they start again and they have
two seven minute quarters to determine who the winner is.
But the Ferns, and I'm really pleased they look at
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it this way. They're saying, well, that's not going to happen.
We're going over there and we want to really nail
this game in Perth the third Test and sort of
then it's not a situation out oh you know, if
it's a draw or anything else. So they're certainly going
in with a wonderful attitude in the game. And the
Diamonds are in a situation, especially the coach who is
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she going to put on the court to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Currently after winning part of the series in New Zealand,
yet back over to Australia and they thrash us. This
is not a lay down massa out going all the
way over to Perth. So where do you think they
have to maintain intensity? Where can they lift their performance
the Silver Ferns to ensure they get the series done
over in Perth.
Speaker 8 (36:27):
Yeah, but don't forget that Diamonds also have to go
all the way over to Perth. So yeah, and that's
the situation. They've got to leave it behind and the
fact that they have always they they have been destroyed
on Australian soil. But they're going into this game differently.
It wasn't that the Ferns just won these two first tests.
They won it convincingly last night and was seventeen eleven
(36:50):
in that first quarter, so they showed their dominance right
from the start. So whilst they've got to be aware
that the Australians are going to get better, I think
the Ferns actually are so focused on their own game
that it's irrelevant exactly what the Diamonds are doing at
the moment. And that's what I'm saying. It's a total
(37:10):
reversal and the Ferns are definitely taking charge. And I
think that no matter what mid court the Ferns put on,
the passing that they're doing to Graceman Wiki is just
spot on and really not a different matter. Whether it's
Cloud Western or Bruce or Ariung from the Diamonds against her,
nothing is working for them. So the Diamonds at the moment,
(37:32):
it just doesn't look like they've got a B game plan.
You know, if something doesn't work, they're not looking, they're
not making adjustments. And I think that the Ferns do
have a plan B because they spoke about you know,
about zones and walls and everything else that was not
done in either of the first two tests. Basically it
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was one on one rugged defense and anything that Australia
got they had to work damn hard for. So it's
going to be interesting to see whether the Ferns are
going to change their pattern for the third test and
that's why really looking forward to the game.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
And as far as the Ciders and you touched on
it before, this will be interesting as far as the
way the team plays and the way the replacements are
used coming into that final quarter. If there's a possibility
they've got to play two more seven minute periods, that
brings a whole new energy to the end of this game,
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doesn't it.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Yeah, but that's again for both teams. And don't forget
the Ferns. That fits absolutely. Hey, that was always a
requirement by Dame Noli Taller that they had to reach
a certain standard on the Yo Yo test, so that
could come into counts. But no, I don't think that
the Ferns are in a situation. I think that's the
point it actually if it goes into two all and
(38:53):
then into extra time, because then it shows that you know,
have the Ferns actually stepped up as high as we
think they have at this stage. So I'd be disappointed
if the Ferns didn't at least take one of these
two tests men, which is in Australia, you know, because
they yeah, just the sheer focus that they have and
that they've developed off the court, and they need to
(39:15):
bring that onto the court. And now all I want
to see is just fewer intersepts taken and yeah, probably
that's the main thing, and just reduced the error rate
because if you have a look at it, Echanasio, I mean,
she really had a wonderful captain's role as goal attack,
shot when she needed to shoot, you know, and supported
Grace NEWICKI really well. So at the moment, like I
(39:38):
looked at it and I'm going, I actually can't pick
the best player out of the Ferns. And then you
look at the Diamonds and you go, WHOA. Every single
player made mistakes in that game, and some of those
mistakes were unforced errors like breaking there was a short pass,
and then there was one time like Jamie Lee Price
just let the ball drop out of the hand, and
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those are things we don't expect from the from the Diamonds.
So they may now turn around and have some hard
chat to see exactly where they are about, because they
are selling themselves short and they're selling also obviously Australian
nipple short.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
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Speaker 2 (40:23):
It's black and airbulvourns Llant coach the Silver Ferns Now.
She's a commentator and pundits. So that is Yvonne Willering
talking about what happens now after two overwhelming victories, fans
looking like they got to going on and she made
a great point there around the fitness demands of the
Silver Ferns from Dame Nolin at Tadoua put them in
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good stead. If indeed it does come to those two
seven minute halves, the series is drawn to two at
the end, we'll see what the water yet. I'm sure
it's at nine o'clock on Sunday night over in Perth
when I first heard that, Ivy, that's three in the morning.
(41:08):
I to do that. That's good, that's good, and it
could be the winning of the Constellation Cup. Not a
massive day on Sunday. I was too much sport. I
can't cope anymore. I'm going to week myself to sleep.
It's seven minutes to eight.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
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(01:13):
The team has the smirched Australia's good name here in
New Zealand? Can they carry it on? Will the trend
of being thrashed in the West Island after having success here?
Carry on? What has to change? What has to lift?
Even'm wondering it, joins us later on in the piece
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a tweaker. Played some T twenty international cricket for New Zealand,
played a bit for Canterbury for Auckland for northern districts.
So I think he might have had a couple of
role eithers there. I believe so. And we're going to
talk about the relevance of the toss, he joins us
next and we'll take your thoughts and calls on that.
Before that, though, let's do this sport today and in
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sport today, the Breakers they're taking on the Southeast Melbourne
Phoenix tonight in Christian the Ark has barbecued their coach
after an horrific five mile start to the season. Let's
read zero and five. It was a disaster, but it's
something that Breakers coach Copenhen believes will help the opposition tonight.
(02:18):
The coach change, you will look at the teams will change
the course. You might get the you know, sudded boost
for the players because also players feel responsible, so they
also feel they need to step up. It's also dangerous,
you know, they want to prove and show everybody they
are much better. Team Wellington Phoenix marksman Costa Barbarusso says
given the brand shining, spanking new A League franchise, Aukland
(02:42):
if se the thumbs up after the impressive start to
the season.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
One hundred miles an hour at times. I think that
adrenaline was playing a part of that. I think they're
gonna give us a good game of round three and
see if we can disrupt the start of the season.
But I thought for the first outing and obviously a
whole new squad that looked pretty good.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Do you think he's gonna get a poke in the
eye from the coaching stuff for talking the old position
up Costa really and Kangaroos and Warriors prop Mitch Barnett
has been sean Odaha by the Octa Taghi locals ahead
of this Sunday's Pacific Championship test match in christ Church,
which has sold out on my dad.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
It's been sort of pretty funny coming here and being
very well known by the regul league community here, so
I've had a lot of people asking for photos and
wish me the best.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It's been nice.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Change trust me, mate, that won't be so kind when
you put on that green and gold strip, prance on
out into the middle and that's sports today. We're joined
now by Ronnie Hurro. He's a former Black Cap in
the thought he played a handful of T twenty international games,
played a lot of his regular domestic cricket for Auckland
(03:53):
and for Canterbury as well. I mean me talking to
Ronnie about the nature of the toss. Now the irony
here as we talked about this this morning about the
toss and how important it is or is in and
should it be changed? And you know, and do you
win the toss? And they insert themselves and it's trouble
at now and we're losing already, and of course what
(04:14):
happens to New Zealand win the toss and have done
very well? What ninety two for two? I think it
is at the end of the first sessions play But
that's fantastic. This has been discussed before, but I think
it's getting more and more relevant the significance of the
toss in Test cricket. It's slightly more advantageous when you
(04:37):
look at the percentage of wins should you win the toss,
But when you look at the current era of cricket,
the import of Test match cricket victories, the ability of
home teams to prepare the pit exactly how they want
it to their benefit. Surely the incoming team should have
(04:57):
some kind of leg up and be able to determine
whether they bat first or bowl first, regardless of a
piece of blind luck, because that's what it is. He
joins us. Now, Ronnie here, Ronnie, welcome to the show.
Thanks having Me's talk about the toss. This always comes
(05:18):
up when it looks like there's a massive advantage for
whoever wins the toss and a massive advantage for the
home team. Is they prep their decks? You know all
about this? Is there a pronounced advantage? Does it need
to be looked at?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
I think you know, obviously now they're playing for the
World Test Championship, those points are really crucial. And I
think if you look at what's going on in Pakistan
and how dramatic it looks with the fans and the
heaters and things trying to dry out the surface, you
can see that they're obviously trying to tailor the surface
for their players and their conditions. So I think perhaps
something needs to be done about it. They also played
(05:54):
on a used wicket last time, which I don't think
was overly fair, but it does seem like it's becoming
more and more of the trend, and I guess, without
being too biased, you've got to think about our own
conditions too, Like we produce look as that suit our bowlers,
but I don't think it's as dramatic as what you're
seeing in the lu likes of Pakistan and perhaps India.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well, how much care do you prepare? Let's taken it home.
We know that when players or teams from the hotter
areas in the world, they generally get thrown into the
needing at the start of the series where it's freezing cold,
is a bit a bit grassy. Is that more of
a pronounced advantage though, than what possibly India and Pakistan
have been preparing with their dust bowls? Yes, somewhat.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I mean when overseas teams when the sub Continent come
to New Zealand, they do get you know, greener wickets,
and it's also the bounce to you know, like they're
not used to that sort of movement off the scene
and then obviously the bounce, so that does sort of
catch them by surprise. I guess they shouldn't be surprised
by now. They've seen a lot of times. But also
(06:55):
when you play the players of that base and they
always talk about how green the wicked is and it
doesn't always plays as green as it appears, and those
games usually go right to the last day. When you're
talking about India and Sri Lange, in Bangladesh sometimes in Pakistan,
those games you know, if they are turning wickets can
finish in two and a half three days, So it
(07:15):
just I guess it's just different. But yeah, I know
people will accuse usial and cricket of doing exactly the
same thing, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But does it make a big difference when it comes
to winning the toss regardless of pitch preparation, because statistically, yeah,
there is still an advantage if you do win the
toss and you win them in your own conditions, but
it's maybe not as pronounced as people would like to
think it is.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Well, I mean it does show you if you get
it wrong and that last Test and they've got it
wrong and look at it didn't it didn't end well,
you know they're finding the rest of those four days
or you know, the rest of that Test match after
winning the toss and making the wrong decisions. So you'd
have to say that, yes, winning the toss in the
right conditions, that could have easily been New Zealand bowled
out for forty or fifty. So you'd have to say
(07:59):
that winning the toss and the right type of conditions
will be of some assistance, that's for sure. You play
in England holy season and it's cloudy, overcast and swinging,
that's obviously going to play into their hands. If England
win the toss and it's the same when you get
to India. They came out and said as much. Rowart
Sharma said that they misread the conditions and they would
(08:19):
have bowled first if they'd known how it was going
to play out. But yeah, it does. I think it
does have an advantage for sure winning the toss.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Would it even playing fields somewhat? When teams visited they
had the choice whether they wanted a bat or bowl,
no toss at all? Right, the way through the series?
Does it need to be that extreme? Can it be
slightly different? Like ultimate choices? How would it work best?
Do you think run?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Now?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Perhaps?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
I think that first the first coment you made was
it was pretty accurate, because that means that they'd have
to prepare somewhat of a fair wicket for that first day. Now,
if it deteriorates after three or four days, that's just
the natural course of a wicket weathering and people running
on it and bowler is running on and stuff like that,
and that's just natural causes. However, you'd have to prepare
somewhat of a fair wicket on that first day. And
(09:04):
I think you've seen it happen in county cricket. They've
been doing it a little bit in the second Division
and saying, hey, yeah, the away team can choose where
they want to bat and ball first, and it does
somewhat make the groundsman and also the association, you know,
whether that's at county level or international level, prepare a
decent wicket to start off with.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Does that take away from the competition at all? Until
you do it and play on it, you don't really know.
Do you Have they noticed that in county cricket, I'm
not sure.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I mean, yeah, most of the teams that go there,
I guess if you look at the data. I haven't
looked at it too much, but i'd suggest they would
bowl first and try and you know, skid all the
team betting first and Test matches, you know, over five
days you're going to get that natural weathering of a wicket.
And I would assume that most teams on a flat
wicket obviously, places like Australia places like South Africa, perhaps
(09:52):
with bat first in India and the sub content, you
don't want to be betting last, so again you probably
looked to bat first, so the toss would become more
interesting or the team the decision would become more interesting,
and I think it would somewhat alter the balance for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Would that possibly run a hero make it all a
bit vanilla when actually the nations start preparing pictures that
don't do a great deal either way because they don't
want to be caught at the wrong end of it,
if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Well, it was brazen at the moment. I mean, that's
for sure, it's interesting, but also probably they're putting it
out there. Like I said, if you saw the wicket
that's being prepared in Pakistan with the industrial fans at
either end and some heaters and things, it's pretty dramatic
and you know what you're going to expect. They're just
trying to dry the wicked out and it's going to
be a dust ball and that's not going to play
(10:42):
into England's ends. For sure. They can play three spinners,
but their batters have to bat against players who play
in those conditions all the time. It's going to make
it a bit more boring possibly, but it is are
going to make it more fair probably as well, because
like as the World Test Championship is a world trophy
on the line, and it's not like a World Cup
that's over in a month, right, this is an eighteen
(11:03):
month two year cycle was two years worth of work.
It has to be somewhat fair over that period of time.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Something about having the home advantage though, that I think
is comfortable out of people, he come to our house,
We're going to do whatever we want to try and
over turn you. And it's been like that historically. What
one hundred and fifty odd years Does that count for anything?
Or was this whole tradition concept ridiculous in this new
competitive day and age, Ronnie, Yeah, good question.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Probably, you know, times have change. Perhaps I don't know
whether we went in New Zealand, for example, we have
to prepare low and slow like one day you know
one day wickets and they went very much fun to
play on. And can remember in Hamilton when the pitch
broke up and there were creaters and things like that.
So you know, again we're not we're not crystal clear
(11:50):
or clean in this situation. We've done a number of
those things ourselves. But you know, I guess we know
when you're preparing a work at the last five days,
it needs to start off in a reasonable condition for
it to last a whole five days. And I guess
the way that's being prepared and set up in some
of these other conditions, perhaps it's not even going to
last five days because they're anticipating in the pitch being
or the game being finished in three and a half
(12:11):
or four days. You know, I think the ICC perhaps
need to get involved and have some minimum standards or
what the pitches need to be, and maybe that can
control it a bit. But like you say, it's either one.
I think it's either one thing or the other. Let
everybody do whatever they want and then what the outcome
will be, or have some sort of standards in place
(12:32):
to make sure that there are some sort of standard
of wickets at least start.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
A game and it totally What are the players think
sitting around, throwing stories around in the sheds, changing rooms,
you know, having a drink afterwards in the bars. It's
something that comes up in conversations. That's something that gets addressed.
What are the players make.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
There's not much they can do really, you know they
ultimately cricket's the individual game and the some of us parts.
You are the team, right you're out there with the bat.
You've got to make the best of conditions. And you're
seeing guys like Devin Conway, for example, going through a
bit of a lean leane patch at the moment with
the bat. Although he had a good innings in the
last Test, he's playing in conditions that are completely against
(13:12):
his natural skill set and somewhat trying to make the
best of what he can. Right, So I guess you know,
when you go into those conditions, you try and prepare
the best you can. You face the net bowlers that
are available, you beat on the conditions that are there.
But yeah, I guess it wouldn't be much fun and
you can see your side struggling and those conditions where
New Zealand played really well, to be fair to them
(13:34):
in the last Test, both with the bat and both
innings and with the ball clearly bowling a team out
for forty odd so they basically made them maximize the
use out of those conditions. But they'll be sitting around thinking,
look that prepares the conditions are against us, they're against
our favor and how best can we confront this? And
(13:54):
I think if you look at something like England, they'll
just try and go and play their own cricket and
try and bash their way out of it. Now that's
one way to do it. Or do you take the
more New Zealand approach in terms of King Williamson, Tom
Latham and trying stick it out. So there's definitely two
approaches or a few approaches to it. But they'll be
they'll be thinking about a method or they'll be thinking
about a way to try and maximize their time at
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the wicket.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You no need to be dmo. We've got the breakdown
on Sports Talk call.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
News Talk.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
After seven. Ronnie here. They're a former Black Cap in
the T twenty position, also played a lot of his
domestic cricket, tweaking the ball away for Auckland Canterbury as well.
Talking about the toss and if it should be removed
from cricket. This discussion is bubbled before it's being around,
(14:46):
and I think it becomes more in focused when we
get to a situation like in India where the pitch
can be doctored. Sounds like they're cheating because they're not.
They're quite entitled to do it. The pitch can be
altered to benefit the home team, and then on top
(15:08):
of that, there's a chance to get further advantage by
winning a toss. I don't think that's fair and right.
I think it's a hangover from three hundred years ago
or whenever this game started. It needs to be adjusted.
So I questioned you, very simple a one hundred and
(15:28):
eighty ten eighty. Should the toss be removed from cricket?
This is an international level stuff. In your local club
you need some way and you can't prep the pitch anyway,
so it doesn't matter. But removed from international cricket and
the away side be able to choose what they want
(15:50):
to do, I say yes, absolutely. The only constant is changed.
You need to adjust and tweak, and in this day
and age, the advantage lies so much more with the
home team and it will be nice. Wouldn't it be
nice if there was a little more balance. Should the
toss be removed? Should the away team be able to
(16:12):
choose what they want to do? Bat all ball? Considering
the advantage the home team gets when it comes to
pitch preparation, twenty two minutes up to seven. Lines are open,
your calls eight one hundred two eight one hundred eighty
ten eighty excuse me, give us a call. Whatever you
are more about the toss and if you've just changed
any want what's happening in the cricket? Ninety two for
(16:35):
to two. You said the one that toss has happens.
They chose to bat. I think what they did, they
didn't choose to bat, they chose not to bat. Last
I think that was more than anything else. Ninety two
for two not bad going at lunch at the moment,
lines are open, your calls up. Next, this is news
Dog's EB. Look for you.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
I guess you're getting everything on and you got in
your car and your career is really taking them.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It's forget the riffs. Call you make a call on
sports talking on your home of sport News Talk.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Sports Look on the News Talk ZV and Darcy Mine's
raven on one hundred and eighty ten eighty. So we
bin the toss. So we toss the toss, remove it
out you go. Just let the visitors choose what they
want to do. It's fair and right.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Isn't it?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Lucky?
Speaker 7 (17:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Maybe not. Okay, Yeah, I reckon they should alternate toss
or alternate the decision each test, so it's like a
two test series. Then each team gets the decision. If
it's three or five, potentially the away team gets the advantage.
(18:01):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I think what I like behind this is that the
home team get to prepare. And I don't know if
there's any other sport like you in the world that
one team gets to prepare the playing surface to their
advantage over top of the other. And if that's the case,
that is a distinct advantage. So why not give some
(18:25):
balance to the opposition coming in and say, do what
you want right the way through this, We'll prepare the deck,
you make the call.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah I did that. But that's also it's been part
of the game for so many years, and it's kind
of what makes winning a test away from home so great,
don't you think?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I think winning a test away from home is great
because you're exactly that, you're away from home. You're an
unfamiliar conditions, not playing in a place that you are
comfortable in. I don't know how much this is just
me though, like you not the bell on the end
or when it comes to cricket. I'd just like to
(19:09):
see it maybe adjusted and I go back to your
cera and then that it's always been around. But I
don't think tradition should have any bearing on what happens
in the future, should it.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's a fair point. I still think
just alternating it is quite a few way to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
What it would be a start for me. A bit
of difference, And mean, I suppose lucky in your point
of view, the English coming out here, right, yeah, and
we apply that and three test series, so you guys
have your choice in the first, we'll have our choice
in the third, so they're at an advantage. Would we
(19:57):
be comfortable with that?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Well, I thought you were saying if the away team.
I thought you wanted the away team to have all
the decisions.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Well I'm saying I'm talking to you though. If you
have it your way and it goes back and forth,
is that still comfortable? I wouldn't mind at all the
English had you get every toss, mate, but even we'll
prepare our grounds and we'll just see what happens. But
you've got the whip hand here.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, Well, you could go the other way. You could
go the home team gets the one up in a
three or five match series. I just think it's a
little bit more fair without changing it completely.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Okay, and you slowly but surely maneuver the change into place.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
That's the one. That's the one. Don't test too many
people off.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Lucky. Well put. It's a really good way of actually
running your existence, isn't it. Craig? How are you?
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Oh, good evening? How's it going?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Good? Good? Good? What do you make of this toss?
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Interesting take on it? I think I should basically just
slick with it, have because I mean, how far do
you go do you get rid of the coin toss?
And say, if the orbects played England and England and
the coin toos is who starts the ball, who takes
what field? Do you get rid of that coin toss
as well? Because in England has a home advantage, Well
I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I don't really think though, the advantage in any other
sport besides cricket is so pronounced that it actually is
distinctly if you do win the toss. I mean, the
rugby bitch is a rugby bitch. Maybe there's a bit
of wind, but it's not that, is it?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
No?
Speaker 6 (21:40):
No, I think the main problem with that is you've
got the Southern Hemisphere referees in Northern hem is there
they basically work on two different ways of playing rugby.
I mean that if you want to get that far away,
they should basically make it sort of the same everywhere.
I mean, my dad referees rugby at schools and stuff,
and the way they referee from the book is totally
different to how it's refereed on the NPC, which confuses
(22:03):
a lot of kids, but which is.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Also very different the way they refereen it up believing
in the World Cup they just fly right in the
face or whatever rule book there is. I mean, that's
a that's a whole different story. But when it comes
to is it uneven, You've got a three percent better
chance of winning the game if you win the toss
and test cricket, six percent chance of winning the game
(22:24):
if you win the toss in short version and white
ball cricket. So it's not a massive advantage, but it's
still an advantage. And do we need that in this
day and age. Is this the right way to do it?
Because it's been.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Yeah, well, if it's like a three game test or something,
maybe you should have it so that you do a
coin toss at the first one, and whoever wins the
coin toss and the other team starts first in the
second game, and then the sod one slam's first and
the third game, so that you do get a chance
of starting first or second, depending on how you go.
I suppose yeh lucky mention that of war.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So you kind of go, oh, but you kind of
come halfway. But of course you can still as the
home team, manipulate the conditions when you don't have the
toss or when So when you do have the toss,
so go okay, right, we're definitely batting first, so get
out there and take all of the grass off it
and then water the outfield. So it's a bog. They
(23:23):
wouldn't go that far, but you know what I mean,
they can still got that control outside of the control
of the game when you're actually playing.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Well, maybe they have to like an international scene of
the pictures and have an independent body that goes around
and does moisture shut samples on the outfield and the
initial pitch and goes sorry, that's not up to spec.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well, that's what that's what Ronnie was suggesting before.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Yeah, but you have to there's someone independent something like that.
But yeah, either that will just draw straws.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I mean, but it's still it's still lark. I mean,
it's still a way of determining it. I don't know
how many people get to I know that I get
my nose out of joint if they'll lose the toss
and it destroys any prospects of winning. Does it happen
all the time? Not necessarily? Great, Hey, thanks for your time, mate,
great like of the drawers luck, And that's that's a
(24:14):
problem for me. It is anyway. I think luck to
play any part in sport at all is witchcraft. It's insane,
Like the toss, there is no skill in it whatsoever. Nothing.
It's blind luck. That's all it is. And it can
(24:38):
be and it is even only to a slight percentage,
but it can be very instrumental. When I go back
to what I was saying before, and you see it,
and won the toss this town round. They didn't choose
to bat first. I think they chose not to bat second,
if that makes sense. No one wants to bat second
on a pitch that's been prepared to turn into a
(24:59):
proper dim at the end, just fall apart. No one
wants to so there's no skill. It's only luck and
I don't think that has a place in modern sport,
not when you consider the amount of money in it,
the amount of time involved. Can't chuckle the dice. I
(25:19):
mean you want luck, go watch poker. But even then
there's some skill on that isn't It isn't. Twenty six
minutes to eight oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
lines are open. I've got some texts coming in nine
two ninety two. That is a ZBZB stand a text
fee does apply. Let me know should the toss go?
(25:40):
Should it be removed from cricket? Give the power to
the away team and try and think of it when
the English come here? About what New Zealand can do
if England have that choice. Put the shoe on that foot.
This is news talk.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
ZB beasts and a prayer to the worms of the bold.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
They hate that you mut has done.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Just jump into dove. I'm the liver.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Twenty two minutes to eight I should have thrown this
idea out. Is the toss fit for purpose? It's a
common phrase of this date age. Well, it isn't text
nineteen ninet two ZBZB Standard texts charge that does apply.
Jake and Reese say, we believe that the visiting team
(26:32):
should get the choice and the ground stars should not
be allowed to touch the field since the decision to
bat or bowl is made. So you turn up, You
did the tiles and whatever is there there you can't touch.
You can't touch anyway, can you? I like the idea
of the visitors can get it. And this next test,
(26:52):
next text summarizes it, alternating it makes it worse. You
just prepare your pictures with prior knowledge of which team
has the right to battle bowl first. So it sounds
like it might be fair. It could be an utter disaster.
The America's Cup is more slightly skewed toward the defender. Yes,
(27:14):
indeed it is. Absolutely it is ridiculously slow. And another
one does the America's Cups like that day they make
the rules and decide when and where to race and
what to race on and how to race and what
you doing? What to race? And oh look at catamarant
and the list goes on a Darcy Rights mars. No,
it's an tradition that spans more than a century. We
(27:38):
have green seamers here. That's why it's hard playing overseas,
and it means so much more when we eventually wins.
There's hard and there's ridiculous. The toss is such a
small amount of time, it's nothing. It's a flick, that's it,
And it can determine so much in the game. And
(28:02):
those determinations are not based on skill or application, ability
to adapt, it's just luck. And when you did on
the game that goes for five days, two innings aside,
all these men out there doing the best slaps that
you can, yet a lot of the result comes down
(28:24):
to a coin toss. Doesn't that seem manifest the unfair?
And you probably know what I think about condition now anyway,
it's the illusion of permanence. And just because we used
to do it doesn't mean to say have to keep
doing it. How we used to live in caves? Do
you want to keep doing that? Do you do you
want to keep dragging your wife around by the hair
(28:45):
like back in the caveman? Of course you don't. Just
because it was it doesn't mean to say it has
to be. You need to keep adjusting anyway, that's mine. Incidentally,
in the creckt we're back alive again, just to give
you an update as to where we stand. You see
the one of the toss they chose to bat, they
(29:06):
lost to Captain Latham lw to Aswyn for fifteen first
fell at thirty two and then Will Young are caught
pant Bold Ashwyn eighteen off forty five. That was at
seventy six. Now work since then, Conway not out forty
seven of one hundred and eight balls, Ratchen Ravendra is
(29:29):
not out five of thirteen and Conways just brought up
his fifty fifty one of one hundred and nine delivery.
It is ninety six for the loss of to the
second session of the first day of the second Test
as well underway. But we're going to stop talking about
cricket now. We're going to talk about recent success, not
(29:52):
that we haven't had it in the cricket. In the
form of the netball.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
You hear it from the biggest names and sports men.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
Have your say on OAIT hundred and eighty to eighty
Sports Talk or more on your whole of sports and
news talks.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
It be game over ah New Zealand comprehensive winners over
Australia for the second game in a row.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
But then is he ever sixty three goals to fifty two?
Speaker 2 (30:19):
There are a couple of absolute trouserings. Diamonds are being
thrashed at the hands of the Ferns. I don't know
if anyone saw there coming after what happened in the
Tiny Jamison series. I know someone who might though. Her
name is Evonne Willering. So she joins us now former
playform of Silver Fins head coach. So where do those
performances come from, Yvonne and welcome.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yes, bit of a surprise for some, I'd say, especially
you know after the first is whether they could reproduce
the effort, and they certainly did.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
They did, and it was not just a victory. These
were two well I don't say thrashings, but this is
pretty much as close as you getting international netball, isn't it.
You just don't see scores like this at this level,
do you nah?
Speaker 8 (31:04):
And it was interesting because the Ferns actually did have
to step up just forparability more than anything else, because
people said, yeah, well the Diamonds and myself included, the
Diamonds did not play well in that first test, and
the Ferns really took it to them. And what's interesting
the Ferns actually at the moment are playing like Australia
normally plays. And I think a lot of work has
(31:26):
been done in the Ferns camp off the court, and
I think that's been the whole, the biggest change. It's
their whole demeanor when they actually take the court, which
is fine, you know, like you can have your shoulders
back and strutting your stuff and having that confidence so
long as there's a win at the end of it.
And at the moment it's certainly going the Ferns way now.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I think it was Maddy Gordon who said they're really
changing their outlook on the game when it comes to
playing the Aussies at their own game, playing with that
extra physicality and those shoulders and those elbows and you
give it to us, We're going to give it straight
back to you. That appears to be working. Is that
the way to go? Though? No?
Speaker 8 (32:04):
Yeah, I know, and I look at that going oh,
and that's as a hard one, you know, because I
think that there are times when certainly New Zealanders and
that's not just a netball, it's in sports generally, and
we tend to be soft, you know, and we pulled back.
Whereas you know that any Australian team or they are
going in for the win. Now the importance is it
(32:25):
the performance or is it the win? And at the
moment it is the win, you know. And again that's
the credibility factor, especially after the tiny Jamison Trophy which
we lost obviously through England, and that hurt, that really
would have hurt the first they didn't play well and
that was a trophy that they took a lot of
pride in. So they had to come out in this
(32:45):
game looking sharp and it was very much about the win.
And it's interesting because Echinasia I was talking about, you know,
some of the players had to do their dirty work,
they had to be the fighters. And yet when Dame
nol and Tarrua came onto, you know, to be interviewed,
she actually did meet it. Again, yes, but within the
(33:06):
skill of the game. And I looked at that and
if you have a look at it, and Berger and
Jackson have been really and I've pumped up in the
fact how good they were against the Diamond Tackers and
they were absolutely they got into the heads of them,
they stopped shooting. But having said that, they also had
a huge penalty count against them, and that is something
(33:29):
I'd like to see reduced.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Former national team coach Silver Ferns from silver fern itself,
Evonne Willering joining us that that abrupt change in what
the players bring to the court. That can't be an
easy thing to do from a coaching perspective when you've
coached the same way for so long to expect such
a turnaround. This is quite the trick from Dame Noleane.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
Yeah, and she's also got some brownie eckle. You know,
she's a specious coach that's coming from Australia, and I
think she has also had an influence in this whole
thing because I don't forget she knows exactly where the
die and so about both on the court and off
the court, and I guess she is also helping to
instill that. So I think now it's a situation of
(34:15):
actually finding a fine line in that. So, you know,
the focus absolutely has to be on performance. I mean,
you put the performance in, the results will speak for themselves.
So yeah, I think they can take great heart from
what they've done. I think they've done some wonderful things.
But having said that, it was interesting I said at
the beginning. You know, Bruce and Weston coming back into
(34:37):
the Australian Diamonds was going to add more value to them.
They were not there during the end when England was
over in Australia, but they were back. But they actually
both found wanting and were both taken off at different
times because they've come back from injuries and they just
did not have the impact that they normally did have.
And I guess because they were coming off the injuries,
(34:59):
they just not match fits. So I am expecting to
see an Australian team again, a wounded Australian team, you know,
I come back stronger on Australian soil. And it's really interesting.
I don't know if you know. But if it's now
with New Zealand going over to OZ, if it stayed
with the old rules, even if the Australian Diamonds managed
(35:21):
to get two wins against the Ferns, the Ferns still
would have won the trophy, the Consolation Cup on gold differential.
But now if it does come to two all, then
it's a situation where they start again and they have
two seven minute quarters to determine who the winner is.
But the Ferns, and I'm really pleased they look at
(35:41):
it this way. They're saying, well, that's not going to happen.
We're going over there and we want to really nail
this game in Perth the third Test and sort of
then it's not a situation out oh you know, if
it's a draw or anything else. So they're certainly going
in with a wonderful attitude in the game. And the
Diamonds are in a situation, especially the coach who is
(36:02):
she going to put on the court to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Currently after winning part of the series in New Zealand,
yet back over to Australia and they thrash us. This
is not a lay down massa out going all the
way over to Perth. So where do you think they
have to maintain intensity? Where can they lift their performance
the Silver Ferns to ensure they get the series done
over in Perth.
Speaker 8 (36:27):
Yeah, but don't forget that Diamonds also have to go
all the way over to Perth. So yeah, and that's
the situation. They've got to leave it behind and the
fact that they have always they they have been destroyed
on Australian soil. But they're going into this game differently.
It wasn't that the Ferns just won these two first tests.
They won it convincingly last night and was seventeen eleven
(36:50):
in that first quarter, so they showed their dominance right
from the start. So whilst they've got to be aware
that the Australians are going to get better, I think
the Ferns actually are so focused on their own game
that it's irrelevant exactly what the Diamonds are doing at
the moment. And that's what I'm saying. It's a total
(37:10):
reversal and the Ferns are definitely taking charge. And I
think that no matter what mid court the Ferns put on,
the passing that they're doing to Graceman Wiki is just
spot on and really not a different matter. Whether it's
Cloud Western or Bruce or Ariung from the Diamonds against her,
nothing is working for them. So the Diamonds at the moment,
(37:32):
it just doesn't look like they've got a B game plan.
You know, if something doesn't work, they're not looking, they're
not making adjustments. And I think that the Ferns do
have a plan B because they spoke about you know,
about zones and walls and everything else that was not
done in either of the first two tests. Basically it
(37:54):
was one on one rugged defense and anything that Australia
got they had to work damn hard for. So it's
going to be interesting to see whether the Ferns are
going to change their pattern for the third test and
that's why really looking forward to the game.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
And as far as the Ciders and you touched on
it before, this will be interesting as far as the
way the team plays and the way the replacements are
used coming into that final quarter. If there's a possibility
they've got to play two more seven minute periods, that
brings a whole new energy to the end of this game,
(38:31):
doesn't it.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Yeah, but that's again for both teams. And don't forget
the Ferns. That fits absolutely. Hey, that was always a
requirement by Dame Noli Taller that they had to reach
a certain standard on the Yo Yo test, so that
could come into counts. But no, I don't think that
the Ferns are in a situation. I think that's the
point it actually if it goes into two all and
(38:53):
then into extra time, because then it shows that you know,
have the Ferns actually stepped up as high as we
think they have at this stage. So I'd be disappointed
if the Ferns didn't at least take one of these
two tests men, which is in Australia, you know, because
they yeah, just the sheer focus that they have and
that they've developed off the court, and they need to
(39:15):
bring that onto the court. And now all I want
to see is just fewer intersepts taken and yeah, probably
that's the main thing, and just reduced the error rate
because if you have a look at it, Echanasio, I mean,
she really had a wonderful captain's role as goal attack,
shot when she needed to shoot, you know, and supported
Grace NEWICKI really well. So at the moment, like I
(39:38):
looked at it and I'm going, I actually can't pick
the best player out of the Ferns. And then you
look at the Diamonds and you go, WHOA. Every single
player made mistakes in that game, and some of those
mistakes were unforced errors like breaking there was a short pass,
and then there was one time like Jamie Lee Price
just let the ball drop out of the hand, and
(39:59):
those are things we don't expect from the from the Diamonds.
So they may now turn around and have some hard
chat to see exactly where they are about, because they
are selling themselves short and they're selling also obviously Australian
nipple short.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
The right call is your call on eight eighty sports
Talk Call on your home of sports news Talk Zivy.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
It's black and airbulvourns Llant coach the Silver Ferns Now.
She's a commentator and pundits. So that is Yvonne Willering
talking about what happens now after two overwhelming victories, fans
looking like they got to going on and she made
a great point there around the fitness demands of the
Silver Ferns from Dame Nolin at Tadoua put them in
(40:47):
good stead. If indeed it does come to those two
seven minute halves, the series is drawn to two at
the end, we'll see what the water yet. I'm sure
it's at nine o'clock on Sunday night over in Perth
when I first heard that, Ivy, that's three in the morning.
(41:08):
I to do that. That's good, that's good, and it
could be the winning of the Constellation Cup. Not a
massive day on Sunday. I was too much sport. I
can't cope anymore. I'm going to week myself to sleep.
It's seven minutes to eight.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
And still summers.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
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