March 4, 2025 • 42 mins
D'Arcy Waldegrave returned to wrap another day of sports news! Highlights for tonight include:
Dave Letele - founder of Buttabean Motivation on whether Indian politician Shama Mohamed crossed the line when she insulted Rohit Sharma.
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Gary Stead - Black Caps coach ahead of the Champions Trophy semifinal.
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I catch up with Gary stead Is, the coach of
(01:20):
the New Zealand cricket side. This is on the eve
of their semi final match and the champions Trophy coming
up against the South African team. Have they flown under
the radar? Well, the team that they had probably has,
but the team they've got out shouldn't. We'll talk to
him about that. We'll talk to him about Mitchell Santner,
the effect that he's had on the team so far,
(01:41):
the nature of flying all over the show. Because the
BCC I think they own the game. Howd I take
that back? The BCCI No, they own the game, so
they'll do whatever they want, and they'll make it whatever
excuse they possibly can to give their team the best
bozzle of budget, which is why I will enjoy it
so much when they get beaten. We're going to be
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joined short by David Lttelli, Dave Lotelli the butter bean
from being motivation. This is about this politician over in
India calling Rowhatama fat and all lessons just fat shaming
still exists? Is it still a thing?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Should it be with athletes? What effect does it have
on athletes? Does it cause consternation? Should it be even
put in the vital statistics of athletes?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's kind of old school. When I heard it today,
I was like, h So we'll talk about that with
David Telly. Dave, of course, shed I think it was
around about one hundred kg from US boxing days down
to where he is now. Talk to me about that
and we'll take your thoughts and your calls on it.
Does it actually still exist at any level and in
your case on people, you know, as it stopped you
(02:58):
from playing. Does it get in the way. We'll talk
all about that after we hear from David Telly, he's
going to join this s before that botz today that
it's for today Hoskins. Situtu has had to sit down
for a couple of weeks after his misplaced tackle on
a bit of archay. The Rumbies at Jane that Slipper
(03:21):
had no idea, but he's got more to worry about
on his half of the chalk ahead of their game
against the Blues this weekend.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I didn't know that, so that's a bit of inside knowledge.
Well probably everyone knows except for me.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Well, I don't think it'd changed too much, to be honest.
It's we're kind of at that point now season where
we haven't been happy with our own backyard.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
We don't care about him, We only care about us, right,
he said, mister Slipper. Hockey in z they have to
be measured when it comes to Blacksticks funding predominantly because
they haven't got any money. He won and won the
Nation's Cup and they don't qualify for the Pro League.
But can hockey actually afforded no? Ken Mapleston talks through
(04:07):
the next step.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
We'll bet the team enjoy this moment and then when
they get back to New Zealand, we'll have those conversations about,
you know, whether we can financially afford it, but also
whether it's the right foot for the program and the
development of the team. As we look towards the twenty
twenty six World Cup and ultimately the twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Twenty Game, till come down to spot kicks and their
perfection has been Nottingham Forests have got themselves a spot
in the quarter files of the f A Cup, all
tied up with one, all with extra time, complete Ips
which tried to do something but they couldn't do anything
after Forrest won five four on spot kicks. All right,
(04:45):
it was close, but of course Chris Woods scored. Our
coach in Nuno Espritto Santo knows exactly what it takes
times like this.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Preparation was good.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
The boys took their time two years of the penalty
and is just a moment of concentration, focusing and do
what you practice.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And they did quite well.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And Danny Lee stand up the fairway at New Zealand
O they once stop and coming back for more reckons.
Tournament director Michael glading.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
I didn't ask him the question. He simply texts me
as he was on the way to the airport to
say that he was devastated with the way he played
and was determined to come back and try and win
the chairmanship. So I think the relationship with Danny has
never been better.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh they live. Golfer failed to make the cut that
I think he caught us flight and that's sport today.
Let's talk fat taming on the program. Now it seems
archaic and old, and well it is, but it's relevant
after what happened today. We're joined now by David Tally,
famously losing kilogram after kilogram as a boxer comes back
(05:46):
now runs BBM. It's a butterbean motivation, a look at
helping people with their fitness, their weight loss and a
number of other aspects of their life. The community leader
and he joins us now, Hi Dave, Yeah, thanks having
me on, bro, Yeah, good to have you here. Tail.
I heard today around the at what it is the
(06:07):
fat shaming of Roche Shama, who was the captain of
the Indian cricket team. It seemed to me when I
saw that to be quite an archaic concept that some
of the will point out that someone's carrying a few
extra pounds. Now you're a guy who's experienced this, You've
gone through transformational work on your body shape and your attitude.
(06:29):
But where you stand now just fat shaming, body shaming
of any place in modern sport.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Oh, not at all.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
And you know it's not you know, it's all about
city examples right there at the top of their game,
these guys that you know, officials and all these types
of things. You know, you've got to send an example
for the people coming up. And it's not sitting a
very good example.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's not. I suppose when you look at athletes and
where they sit though, if they are at the top
of their game, their shape surely doesn't matter or their
weight or in some sports is it important.
Speaker 8 (07:01):
Yeah, well I think it is sports dependent, I mean,
and also performance depends, and so you know, for me,
you know, it's never about having a six Packet's about
being healthy and happy and being able to maintain it
and in this case, being able to perform.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
When you went through your huge weight loss from a
boxer down as well, what was the biggest issue you
think you had and actually doing that and what was
the drive? What was the motivation?
Speaker 8 (07:25):
Yeah, you know, I lost one hundred kilos brown, I've
managed to keep most of it often with how people
lose stars as of kilos, but you know it's always
the weight loss and before and after pictures that's the wow.
But it's really it's about, you know, our lives, being
here for our for our children and our families, and
just being the best version of ourselves. You know what
drove me was getting my getting my family back, getting
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my life back together. To do that, I had to
work on myself and you know, become the best version.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
When it comes to being pointed out and this used
to be prevalent back in the day that that attitude
is plainly changing, but maybe in some areas it's not.
Such a change is going through.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
Me me bro, A lot of the people that come
into I mean it's hard walk into the gym. You know,
you've got a lot of the times you're worried about
what people are thinking, and it's just hard to work
up that courage people walking through our doors and we're
you know, we've got a really you know, amazing environment,
but even walking through here, but sometimes people will sit
outside for a month just watching and so any times,
(08:23):
you know, things like this that happened at a high profile,
it just makes it harder for people to start their journeys.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And when it comes to encouraging people, it's got to
come from within more than anything, doesn't it As opposed
to being if you will, shamed into making that decision
that can't help.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
One hundred percent. You've got to support each other.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
You know, one of the pillars of BBM has been
around good people. It doesn't sound like he's around you know,
good people.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It was actually a she by the way, have you
on that as well? Also? But this is interesting because
a number of women's sport the weight isn't mentioned when
it comes to player descriptions height maybe not weight. I
think that's starting to transfer now into the men's game.
This again I use the word archaic, but the concept
(09:07):
of weight when it comes to describing a player, I
don't think that is relevant or helps. Well, maybe in
some sport it is.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
Yeah, even when the way they measure it they still
using BMI, which is you know, that is archaic and
that that should just be taken out as a measurement
tool because you know a lot of the all blacks,
you know, all black forwards are considered as obese. You know,
I myself would be considered morbidly obese. So you know,
I've got to look at the measuring tool as well.
It's for me if if you're performing and you're healthy
and happy, that then you know there's not much to
(09:36):
complain about.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
To be and my do you want to explaining that
for us people who may be a bit slow on
the uptake there because it is an old kind of concept,
but something has been used for quite some time. What
do they base it around, Dave.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
Yeah, I mean it's a pretty generic general so it's
your body mass index index and I think they take.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
It your weight divided by your age and that's it.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
They don't take into you know, your muscle density, your genetics,
all these different types of things.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
So yeah, it is a really old fashioned tool.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Impossible to tell the health of someone based on what
they carry and how they stand. Because there are some
particularly amazing athletes that I suppose to your eye don't
look they are look like they are athletes. So that's
when you get comments like this, why they're that opposition
party member? And again it doesn't help that concept hundred percent.
Speaker 9 (10:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Again, I go back and I remember there was a
when there was a big controversy of out being my
you know a few years ago they were bringing up
that a lot of the all blacks would be considered,
you know, obese, which you know clearly they're not. But
it's just that that measuring toolis's outdated.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Does it stop younger people getting into sport feeling that
they are going to stand out or in the changing
seeds people are going to look at them? Is that
a mental issuity, you believe, Dave.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
Look, I'll use our example. You know my young son,
he's he's seven brook he plays rugby league in and
now he's he's conscious about his weight. You know, he's
talking to me, Dad, can we go and train? I'm
getting fat? You know, it's seven. So there's so many pressures,
especially on these younger generations. You've got the social media
that comparing themselves against Instagram and what they see on
(11:13):
YouTube and now you know with you know, with athletes
and going through all the stuff they're going through. It's
really tough. So you know, it's we have to really
work on their mindset around that. So it's something that
we're working on with my son. You know, he's seven
years old and he has this complex.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Is this such a thing as a healthy weight for
an athlete. Do you think, David I gain it.
Speaker 8 (11:31):
I think it's sport dependent, bro, and you know and
how you're performing. But everything comes down to me, like
you know, are you healthy and are you happy?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And can you maintain it?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And when you look at boxing, I suppose it is key,
isn't it because you've got certain weight classes. You can't
mess with that or hide there. But it's not. Yeah,
that's an interesting concept in fight sports.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Huh one hundred.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
You know you got a lot of these guys are
really unhealthy weight cuts to make a weight, and you
know it's it can be quite dangerous.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Advice to people in sport that maybe think they're carrying
too much or where do they go to to maybe
not necessarily seek solace, but advice around what they carry,
where they're going and what's healthy for them, because I'm
presuming that other people's advice and inputs probably quite key,
especially for the younger athlete.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
I look, everything we say is just ignore the haters,
ignore the noise, use everything, every bit of adversity and struggle.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Use it as fuel to push you to be better.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown on
sports Talk call News Talk, said.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Davia Telly There Brown Butterbean, former boxer now part of
Butterbean Motivation. That is his organization community leader. He likes
to look after the health, the mental health, physical health,
the well being and more of young people, any people,
i'd say, right across the community. Interesting to have his
(12:57):
thoughts on that. Now, this may sound reasonably simplistic, but
I think there is an issue out there and I'm
interested in your points of view on this. Plainly, it
does still exist, but I'd suggest that what happened over
in India is rare because people won't say it because
(13:20):
it's frowned upon in this day and age to mention
that which is understandable. So does it still exist in sport?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
It?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Does it exist in your sport? Is it a cause
for an issue for yourself? Like has it stopped you
playing sport because you're embarrassed about the shape or you
think you're overweight? You don't think you've got a part
of this?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Is this destructive?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And I'm fascinated by it because in essence, in some
sport your body weight size, it's instrumental in what you do.
But in how many sports is it actually key the
cricket players, there's you know, there's hardly the slenderest bunch
(14:14):
in the world. Right, But if you can bat and
bowl and catch, doesn't matter what your shape is. Surely
you look at some sportsman like darts players, they're hardly
live individuals. Can they still play the sport? Yes they can,
(14:34):
It's fine. Someone's texted in Darcy. What's the common name
for Fords and rugby fat boys? What do they call
the fat man's track? When you run up the middle?
Because props are generally bigger characters. They have to be,
it's the nature of what they do. Does anybody fat
chain them? There's lots to talk about here. I'm really
(14:58):
interested in your thoughts. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
joined by Trevor Mate, how are you hey?
Speaker 10 (15:07):
That's right? Yeah, Well I'm a boomer, so I'm probably
going to have a different opinion to you. So what
are you actually called? Is it the word fat? I mean,
if somebody's tense ten stone overweight, you don't call them
fat anymore? Well, a little word.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I don't know. It depends what you and I mean.
This is the discussion on this. I mean, if someone's
the target of this and feels upset by that phrase
fat more than anything else. I don't know if necessarily
the word, but I think to determine someone else and
if they're overweight or not, is that you're prerogative for
your position to do so because.
Speaker 10 (15:45):
You don't think, well, I think if you're a superstar,
I meant, I mean a lot of all blacks have
not made world charts because not fit. But we know
it's the excess weight that they're carrying. I mean, you
used to watch the NRL players when they come back,
and they're words half a dozen players that are fat overweight,
And I'm just wondering, what do you call a person
(16:08):
who is overweight? Now? You don't call them fat?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Well, no, I'm how do you determine whether they're over
not if they don't have the shape of the body
that you determine as being in a domoslate shape like
they've got a bit of a time, does that make
them fat? Does that make them overweight? But I don't
know where that sits anymore because you look at Tom Walsh,
I mean, b Am I wise is obese, but you
(16:32):
would hardly call him fat or unfit, would you.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
Well, I'm not too sure, Darce. I mean, you know,
you look at dance players and I find a little
bit strange that somebody's a little bit afraid to call
them flat because when they walk you can see their
stomach bouncing up and down. So doctors say, you know,
when a doctor tells you, look, you've got to lose
weight you're overweight, otherwise you'll die with a heart attack.
I mean, so you don't say that anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Because you can all but people die of heart attacks
for a number of reasons, and they keep the insight
they do. Heavy smokers die heart attacks all the time,
don't they.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
So, but you've heard doctors repeatably say that, you know,
if you're carrying too much weight, it's bad for you're
I just I don't understand why people are offended the fat.
What's the problem.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, I don't know. I don't I'm as skinny as
they come. I'm a racing whip it. I've never been
on the end of it, so I don't know what
it means and what it feels like. And I think
that if you do carry what is perceived as being
extra weight on the padic, you are going to attract that.
And I don't know what it's like to attract. Hard
(17:41):
for me to say, right, yeah, if you does.
Speaker 10 (17:43):
For your point, do you get offended when somebody calls
you skinny? I know, Well it's the same as calling
Tom unfat, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I don't know, I'm I don't know.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
No, Well, you're describing somebody who's skinny. Is what you see? Generally?
You are thinner than most people. And I mean, if
you're not offended by being called skinny, why are you
offended like called?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well, I don't think I'm skinny anyway. I think I'm
perfectly shaped and I'm an adonission. And here's the other
one for your treva. What other people think of me
as none of my business? I take that back. It
(18:29):
is my business because if people don't like me and
they don't listen, I don't rate, I'll lose my job.
I'll take that back. What people think of me as
all of my business, whether they think I'm obese or
not or skinny, does it make any Surely? It's sports
performance based. So did that woman step over the line
by saying she thinks that Ray Charmel is overweight? Hm? Well,
(18:56):
you can criticize people based on performance, but not about
how they look and how does their look differential in
their performance. He's got a big nose doesn't change the
way he plays the game. But if you say he's
got a fat ass, that makes it's a different story.
Right twenty five past seven, I'd love to hear from you.
(19:19):
God it certain Trevor makes it? Is it bad to
call someone fact? Is that the worst thing in the world?
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty mightn't be digging a
hole I can't get out of here. Gary Stead, coach
of the black Caps, join just later on the piece
This is News talk Z. Would be plenty of texts.
Let's get a monk spot.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Up forget the riffs call you make a call on
sports talk on your home of sports talk.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Said.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Mardy Pony, mighty bunny, get on firms buy I've been
breaking my back, just keeping winding nine wells talk eron
News talk Z. B Right, Charma was fat shame by
(20:19):
Shama Mohammed, spokesman for the Congress and his main opposition party,
said he needs to lose weight and of course he's
the most unimpressive captain India have ever had. That tweet
got deleted fairly sharpishly as you can understand, said, you
know what you just you can't say that, mate, She
(20:39):
responded with I felt he was overweight and I tweeted
about it, and I have been attacked for no reason. Well,
you know you've been attacked because you've said that. The
except the Is it acceptable to say that in this
day and age?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty? Is it a feat what
you do in sport? Do you look at a sportsman
and go, well, you could be better or a sportswoman
if only you'd just tremble it around your gut? You
wouldn't say that to a sumo restler, would you? And
say that to a prop?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Would you?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty? Is this destructive that
cross the line between performance based? Or was it just
an out and out insult? As I said, I'm bone skinny.
I've never experienced it. I don't know, but there are
(21:34):
people out there get triggered by it, and I'm wondering
how many people don't play sport, don't involve well, they
go to that insult as a way of expressing frustration
with the player, I think, or a better way of
insulting someone than that. As you said before, you're like, yeah,
(21:54):
great you're fat. I mean, there you go, You've got
a gut. Does it change your performance? Are you still
very very good at what you do? Yes? Fine, not
a problem. You have a big nose or a bald head,
doesn't you nothing you can do about that? Maybe the
way there is something you can do about it. But
in a position where you're doing very well in your role,
(22:14):
what does it matter how large you were? Let's go
to the text line that's nine two nine two zed
b z b Bob said, if you're not living a life,
why are you alive? You're not living your life for you?
Why are you alive? You are fair enough, Dave ak BB,
(22:38):
you're one of New Zealand's finests. Would have thought that
one person could do so much to change the lives
of many others. It's from Chrissy, your caller. Trevor made
an incorrect assumption that perceived fat or skinny comments are
linked to being unhealthy. In some cases it is, but
(23:01):
as you alluded to with his doctor, but with athletes
at the top of their game, who is he or
others to just how does anyone know? What's the point?
I was trying to make to treat it. These comments
can also adversely impact the youth, especially who look up
to these stars. There's so many eating disorders in New
Zelle and they've gone up well, they have a four
(23:21):
hundred percent since twenty twenty. Body shaming comments are dumb, archaic,
and can be very dangerous. Another text rights, I believe
Joe Parker's last opponent wasn't fat. It was just a
wee bit out of shape. Fat is a rude description.
(23:43):
Is it relevant? But I don't think it is. But
I've never been receiving end so I don't know. And
Skinny doesn't bother me A good evening. It is sad
to hear, but I been Sun feels the way he
does about himself. I've been home from school after being teased.
(24:03):
My dad told me, if your tummy is in line
with your ribs, you're just right. And if you didn't
want to finish your tea, he would say in Ethiopia
and live on that for a month. Yeah, it always happened.
It made me feel all right. Remember Fatty and Skinny
had a bath Flatty bilof and Skinny laughed. Thanks Shelley. Yeah,
that was kind of making making light of that situation.
(24:27):
Some people can't control it, and it shouldn't be something
you judge someone on. In sport, if you're obesie overweight
and you're a marathon runner, people are like, well, this
is probably why it's not working for you. But in
most lines of sport, people find the weight that they
are happy with that can still work at that level.
I mean, you look at right Charmer, so he's not
(24:50):
a chisel to dollars. He's a bloody good cricket player
that's underselling. It's fantastic gooday Tony, how are you well?
Speaker 11 (25:02):
It's like a brief chilement about your subject. It's quite interesting.
But I'm still of in the boxing and quite a
big way. The boys like Holleyfield because of this. You know,
it's chill or physique. But when you look at boxing
as exceptions. Now you know a guy called Johnny Luiz.
Now he's got quite a little bit of a porch,
but he's one of the fastest sitters in the game.
If you watch how quick that guy can hit, he's
(25:22):
like a mechanical Teddy Bear. So you know, you can't
judge your book by it cover. You know what I'm
saying to.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
You, absolutely I do. I just it's odd that someone
would say that. I mean, you weigh and tweet that
as well as a politician. You know something about Luise
that I found out the other day which I find stunning.
I was watching an interview podcast with Joe Parker and
they see, who's the hardest punchy you've ever faced? He said,
(25:49):
it's Ruiz. He said. The speed of Uise is he
is so fast it snaps you and it feels like
an electric shock. He goes, I've never experienced it before.
I haven't experienced it since. Interesting are Well, there you go.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
But but getting back to calling people fair, you know,
it is socially, especially if you're referring to a woman
more than a guy, it's not really acceptable to start
calling people. You know, fair skinny doesn't really resonate as much,
but you know, social norms, it's not really a thing
to pass a comment, especially about a female, that she's
(26:27):
overweight or fat. It never has been, and it's not
really acceptable. I don't think and sport to refer to
anybody's all as such. You know what I'm like, what
was it?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It was ring fat and skinny? Again? This fascinates me.
I mean, I know some people that are very, very
very slender. They don't have a lot of muscle renting,
and they winced when people call them skinny. I get
that in sae of people that are carrying more. So
how you respond to that? I don't. It's to me,
it's fascinating. I think it's got a place anywhere, a
(27:00):
place correct. Yeah, funny, thanks for your call, mate, and
thanks for joining us. And you you I'm trying to
as well. Made a comment to someone once about no,
they know me pretty well about their size. They were
complaining that they thought that weighed too much. I was like, well,
(27:25):
it doesn't really matter what you look like. Are you're healthy,
Are you healthy? Do you eat well?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Do you walk?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Do you excite? Are you healthy? Because it doesn't matter
what you look like as long as you're healthy and
you feel good about yourself, to which they retorted, it's
coming from a guy who will hardly eat it's all protein,
spends most of us time in the gym, so he
looks okay and shorts my kids stop the argument straight away?
What do I say that? Okay, fine, you're right. Seven
(27:56):
thirty seven. Your calls still to comes his news talks eb.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Never been sanit chee.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Fully please twenty minutes eight off of the text. Now,
I see. I'm sure you made comments about the condition
of Joe Parker's last opponent, but that's normal on boxing
to criticize that fight as Steve's words, not mine. But
I might have said he was was I don't think
I would have used fat as a term that may
looked a little out of condition, looked a little out
(28:38):
of shape. I did that matter it? Maybe it did.
Maybe he didn't have the fitness required to deal with
Joe Parker. Hey, Derek, how are you?
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yeah? I thought that Joe Parker came into he yetually
enormously comes in a one O nine one ten. I
think you and I've talked about his way before. I
think he's come literally comes in at one O nine
one ten. Here he came and at I think one.
I was astonished when I saw it. I was absolutely astonished,
and I was worried less worried when Daniel pulled out,
(29:11):
but then I saw the replacement who I'd seen before.
Is I've always questioned sometimes when a fighter says, well,
I came in at late notice, Well, there on a second,
you're a professional fighter, that's all you do every day.
How can you not be in shape? The unprofessionalism of
this drives me insane. I heard day before the butter
(29:34):
Beans saying that, oh, it's so dugorous at the lower
the weight divisions, when guys are going to lose a
lot of work to get down one forty seven or
one sixty, which is well to weight or middleweight. That
annoys me as well because back in the day, you know,
I hate to be one of these guys, but you
do a lot in boxing. One of these days that
back in the day, fighters fought a lot more often,
and they fought for less money, but they always fought
better opponents, and they were always in shape because they
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never knew when the chance was going to come where
they had to step into somebody else the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, can you take it, Joe? I can on here
in number.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Fo the professionals. That's the where it goes. I mean,
I means somebody all of a sudden, somebody around said, oh,
Darcy can't make it the night, he's got a bad
larynge ititis. You know, they'd be a young producer, I'm sorry,
a young broadcast who's come out of broadcasting this girl.
He's not going to turn around and say, well, you
know I haven't prepared myself. No, he'll jump straight in.
You'll take your spot.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Which is why you hear again because I refuse to
give it on the opportunity. It's it's pretty simple ast
to go the shaming thing because I know, as I
mention before about Andrew Ouiz, it doesn't really define who
you are as a sportsperson, does it, unless you're something
that definitely requires a particularly slender shape. But a lot
(30:49):
of cases, and you look at cricketers, there's some cricketers
who carry a lot man can I still it runs
bowl bulls cats here they can, So it doesn't matter, No,
it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I think also these days with sportsman earning loads of
money and on one of these people that say anything
about people earning money, good on. That's the market rate,
that's what the worst, that's what they're ruining. But if
you have a look at the Printer League at the moment,
I follow Liverpool as you know, and they're on top
of the table and they've just played eight games or
something in fifteen days now they got their club's got
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so many sports scientists these days checking their weight with
an underweight overweight because they have to play and if
they can play within two days or can they played
three days, that they're playing four days. All so scientific
now that if a player doesn't stick to the diet
or he turns up. This is something that the club
has happened over a couple of times over the years,
but not very often. They sign a player for big money,
big contract. Suddenly he shows up a free season and
(31:42):
he's overweight. That's a big no no at the club.
That is sometimes in the past they sack players for that.
So I mean it's a difficult one. I heard Trevor say,
and that's interesting. Trevor made an interesting point. If you're
not going to use the word fat, you can use
another word, but it still means that the player it's
out of shape, and you get to a situation like
where we had in New Zealand with Anthony Peden with
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the woman cyclists. I think he lost a job because
of this, suggested suggest that she see a nutritionist. She
took that as fat shaming. He lost his job. So
at the end of the day, if the person is
not in shape, whether the fat or not you want
to use another word? What is the word? And how
do you approach it? I think it's a very difficult thing.
How do you approach these conversations? And can a man
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approach a woman or vice versa. It's a very difficult one.
But if that cricketer is out of shape and he's
not scoring runs, well.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
If you're not scoring ones, you're dropping catches, you can't bowl.
You get the stitcher in there and out for it. Hey, mate,
you've got some health issues, some fitness issues which can
be directly translated to weight. But you captain in your country.
He's scoring a potlad of runs and winter it's like
he cares.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
What you look like.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It's an interesting conversation, Derek, thanks very much for joining in,
and I'm sure you found it fascinating that Andy Ruiz,
according to Joe Parker, had the horror the fastest, the
heaviest punch it'd ever faced. Like he wouldn't want to
get punch for that email punches like electricity, like crazy stuff.
(33:09):
It's called of the eight sports Talk care and News talks.
Thereb coming up next. Gary Stead, coach of the black Caps,
on the eve of their semi final against South Africa
and the Champions Trophy. A day out from the semi
(33:38):
final of the Champions Trophy, one day turn and up
against the South Africans. We joined now by black Caps
head coach Gary Stead here on the Sports fix It. Gary, Hi, Darcy,
you'd be extraordinarily excited about another semi final opportunity in
an international and ICC event. This has almost become habitual,
(34:03):
so comfort to a degree for you and your team
knowing what you face.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
Look, it's always nice to reach the stage of the tournament.
I think whenever you enter a tournament, you know that
if you get to the stage, you get to the
knockout type round. In a tournament like this, where I
guess every result is important, it is important you start
well and I think our lead into it was very
(34:29):
good and the way we started against Pakistan was great
as well. So it puts you in the I guess,
on the right foot going into the tournament. So look,
we're really excited to be here. Whenever you get to
this stage, you've got I think four very very deserving
and very good teams that enter this final stage. So
we'll have an eye on the game today in DFS Australia,
(34:51):
but sort of preparing also for what we do tomorrow
against South Africa.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
You talk about leading and preparation, and you Zeel and
Cricket have been accused before of maybe not giving the
team the best chance to compete in some tournaments, not
this time around the lead up, the build up. I
don't know how pre planned that was, but if you're
in a position to do well there against the opposition
you've got it's on a plate for you.
Speaker 9 (35:16):
Gary, Yeah, it was very good prep. I mean the
tri series we had immediately before was timely. I think
if you look at the amount of odieye cricket that's
been played before this by most countries, it hasn't been
a lot. So I think whenever you can get in
in that same country and play on the same pitches
that we will play on, absolutely it's an advantage.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You got beaten by Andy, which means you didn't have
to play Australia either, or you've got to beat two
teams to get through and win the trophy. But was
that a dulling almost? Was that almost necessary for your guys?
Speaker 9 (35:52):
I don't think so. I think for large parts of
that game we actually played some really good cricket I
said to the boys. I thought it was one of
the best fielding displays I've ever seen by a Black
Cats unit. I thought there some sensational catch. I thought
we stuck really really well to our bowling plans as well,
and I mean just about on any pitch if you
(36:13):
can restrict that India team to two point fifty and
with a little bit of luck, it could have been
a few less if Pandya didn't get going, for example
near the end. So I thought we bowled well. We
struggled a little bit with Varren Chatravaki as well, that
we that a lot of our players hadn't seen before
or faced live, and he's a bit of a unique
(36:35):
spinner the way he bowls. But I'm sure if we
do play India again in the future will be better
for that experience as well.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Garristeed joining us talking Champions Trophy cricket. What about the
new captain Mitch Santner. How's his I shouldn't really call
him an apprenticeship, but he's new in the role as
the full time captain of the one day side. How's
that development going for you and the team and him?
Speaker 9 (36:58):
Look, I think Mitch has walked in reasonably seamlessly. To
be honest, he's obviously has a lot of experience. I
think he has a lot of mana within our our
dressing room as well, and the way he's been leading
the side, I think his decision making on the field
has been on points. So look, I've been really happy
with him. I know the team's rulling around him, helping
where he is, but he's still strong enough, intelligent enough
(37:21):
to have his own ideas out there and put his
spin on the game. So I think that's what you're
looking for, and a leader, you're looking for someone that
will be upfront and others and follow and I think
his performances have been standing up to that test, and he.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Can be quite sneaky and his decision making too. He's
definitely his own captain and his own man. I don't
think he feels like he's carrying the weight of captain's
gone before he knows it's his opportunity to say, hey,
this is what I can do, and he's not afraid
of putting it out there.
Speaker 9 (37:48):
No, that's right. And as you say, Mitch is his
own man. He's got his own thought patterns around how
he wants to play. And I think he's reading the
game very well as well. And look, there's always small differences.
You might say, did you consider this, would you have
tried that? And when you have those conversations with Mitchie,
he is thinking about them as well, So it's not
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just a one way or a one style that he has.
He's adaptable and I guess Malia ball as well. So look,
we have some very good conversations around the game, the
way it's been played and the way we want to
play as well. And I think on the whole we've
been sticking to that very well.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Extraordinary, dangerous, dangerous to underestimate the strength of South Africa.
Very different team from the team that you played beforehand.
But I'm sure you're not going into just thinking their
records no good when it comes to semi finals. We've
got this. You've got to understand what they bring. So
on that, what do they bring, what are their big threats?
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Gary.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
Look, in my opinion, though one of the strongest teams
in the world at the moment. They are very very
well balanced. They have a very good mix of pace bowlers.
They have variety and their pace bowlers as well, left arm,
right arm, tall skiddier bowlers and then a couple of
spinners and Shamsi and Maharaj who are very skillful as well.
(39:05):
Their batting has a nice mix I think also of
some power, the likes of a class and a miller
who finished games off, but also batsmanship at the top
to get them to scores. So look, in many ways,
I look at them and look at the makeup of
our team and see there's some real similarities between them
and the way the games are played. So my view
(39:26):
is it just comes down to winning key moments on
the field and holding your nerve under pressure, and that's
certainly something that we try and do every game. But
I think when you reach the semi final stage it
becomes even more important.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
A day out from the semi final and the champions
trophy one day to them and up against the South
Africans we joined now, but no, we're bloody not. I
caught up with Gary after a zoom call about an
hour and a half ago, and I have Edward scissorhands,
so when I chopped it together, I managed to chop
(39:58):
together a Frankenstein's monster on an interview, But you generally
got the general the thrust of what was going on
there no stage during the interview did he comment on
my weight, which was handy. I knew a guy at
school who was He was a big man. He's a
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big boy, not saying like as in tall and muscular,
but you know, he was carrying a lot. And he
used to go up to other big people in the street,
tat them on the shoulder and go hey, fatty, and
they'd spin around, all offended, and he was bigger than them,
and he'd just roar with laughter and walk off. Some
(40:40):
people go figure highly entertaining whose expense? I have no idea.
A couple more texts on the fat shaming situation. Tyson
Fury has never looked like a holy Field. No, he hasn't.
He had a sloppy, large looking but lord, what a
boxer he is. Would anyone say that to him? I
(41:01):
doubt it. We all have good bodies, some of us
just hold them deeper than others.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I get you.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I couldn't agree more with Dave'll tell you it also
works some my verses eating disorders and body this morphere
on the rise with the youth influenced by social media
portrayals of body image. Just a casual throw away line
like that calling someone fat can be really destructive. Someone's
(41:34):
asked me a really big question about Harry Godfrey scoring
his try against the Blues. He dived leading with his
left arm and his hand passed over the deep ballline.
I looked at that. I don't think it cut it.
I think it was really really close. But it's always
dangerous flirting with that dead ballline. And Hi Darcy. On
(41:56):
the lighthearted side, I hope sensor of people don't ever
listen to the twelfth Man Billy Birmingham. No, you're right.
You can tell you what Billy Bimman wouldn't last five
seconds in this day and age. It wouldn't You go
back and look at old videos of comedians and the
like and listen to takes in the seventies and eighties,
be horrified, I think, don't go back and look at
(42:22):
Eddie Murphy's raw. Don't thanks An's Milicise for pushing out
the program. Best of luck to Australia tonight. I hope
you roll India. I'm Darcy Watergrove. Thank youm in good night.
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I catch up with Gary stead Is, the coach of
(01:20):
the New Zealand cricket side. This is on the eve
of their semi final match and the champions Trophy coming
up against the South African team. Have they flown under
the radar? Well, the team that they had probably has,
but the team they've got out shouldn't. We'll talk to
him about that. We'll talk to him about Mitchell Santner,
the effect that he's had on the team so far,
(01:41):
the nature of flying all over the show. Because the
BCC I think they own the game. Howd I take
that back? The BCCI No, they own the game, so
they'll do whatever they want, and they'll make it whatever
excuse they possibly can to give their team the best
bozzle of budget, which is why I will enjoy it
so much when they get beaten. We're going to be
(02:02):
joined short by David Lttelli, Dave Lotelli the butter bean
from being motivation. This is about this politician over in
India calling Rowhatama fat and all lessons just fat shaming
still exists? Is it still a thing?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Should it be with athletes? What effect does it have
on athletes? Does it cause consternation? Should it be even
put in the vital statistics of athletes?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's kind of old school. When I heard it today,
I was like, h So we'll talk about that with
David Telly. Dave, of course, shed I think it was
around about one hundred kg from US boxing days down
to where he is now. Talk to me about that
and we'll take your thoughts and your calls on it.
Does it actually still exist at any level and in
your case on people, you know, as it stopped you
(02:58):
from playing. Does it get in the way. We'll talk
all about that after we hear from David Telly, he's
going to join this s before that botz today that
it's for today Hoskins. Situtu has had to sit down
for a couple of weeks after his misplaced tackle on
a bit of archay. The Rumbies at Jane that Slipper
(03:21):
had no idea, but he's got more to worry about
on his half of the chalk ahead of their game
against the Blues this weekend.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I didn't know that, so that's a bit of inside knowledge.
Well probably everyone knows except for me.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Well, I don't think it'd changed too much, to be honest.
It's we're kind of at that point now season where
we haven't been happy with our own backyard.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
We don't care about him, We only care about us, right,
he said, mister Slipper. Hockey in z they have to
be measured when it comes to Blacksticks funding predominantly because
they haven't got any money. He won and won the
Nation's Cup and they don't qualify for the Pro League.
But can hockey actually afforded no? Ken Mapleston talks through
(04:07):
the next step.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
We'll bet the team enjoy this moment and then when
they get back to New Zealand, we'll have those conversations about,
you know, whether we can financially afford it, but also
whether it's the right foot for the program and the
development of the team. As we look towards the twenty
twenty six World Cup and ultimately the twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Twenty Game, till come down to spot kicks and their
perfection has been Nottingham Forests have got themselves a spot
in the quarter files of the f A Cup, all
tied up with one, all with extra time, complete Ips
which tried to do something but they couldn't do anything
after Forrest won five four on spot kicks. All right,
(04:45):
it was close, but of course Chris Woods scored. Our
coach in Nuno Espritto Santo knows exactly what it takes
times like this.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Preparation was good.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
The boys took their time two years of the penalty
and is just a moment of concentration, focusing and do
what you practice.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And they did quite well.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And Danny Lee stand up the fairway at New Zealand
O they once stop and coming back for more reckons.
Tournament director Michael glading.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
I didn't ask him the question. He simply texts me
as he was on the way to the airport to
say that he was devastated with the way he played
and was determined to come back and try and win
the chairmanship. So I think the relationship with Danny has
never been better.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh they live. Golfer failed to make the cut that
I think he caught us flight and that's sport today.
Let's talk fat taming on the program. Now it seems
archaic and old, and well it is, but it's relevant
after what happened today. We're joined now by David Tally,
famously losing kilogram after kilogram as a boxer comes back
(05:46):
now runs BBM. It's a butterbean motivation, a look at
helping people with their fitness, their weight loss and a
number of other aspects of their life. The community leader
and he joins us now, Hi Dave, Yeah, thanks having
me on, bro, Yeah, good to have you here. Tail.
I heard today around the at what it is the
(06:07):
fat shaming of Roche Shama, who was the captain of
the Indian cricket team. It seemed to me when I
saw that to be quite an archaic concept that some
of the will point out that someone's carrying a few
extra pounds. Now you're a guy who's experienced this, You've
gone through transformational work on your body shape and your attitude.
(06:29):
But where you stand now just fat shaming, body shaming
of any place in modern sport.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Oh, not at all.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
And you know it's not you know, it's all about
city examples right there at the top of their game,
these guys that you know, officials and all these types
of things. You know, you've got to send an example
for the people coming up. And it's not sitting a
very good example.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's not. I suppose when you look at athletes and
where they sit though, if they are at the top
of their game, their shape surely doesn't matter or their
weight or in some sports is it important.
Speaker 8 (07:01):
Yeah, well I think it is sports dependent, I mean,
and also performance depends, and so you know, for me,
you know, it's never about having a six Packet's about
being healthy and happy and being able to maintain it
and in this case, being able to perform.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
When you went through your huge weight loss from a
boxer down as well, what was the biggest issue you
think you had and actually doing that and what was
the drive? What was the motivation?
Speaker 8 (07:25):
Yeah, you know, I lost one hundred kilos brown, I've
managed to keep most of it often with how people
lose stars as of kilos, but you know it's always
the weight loss and before and after pictures that's the wow.
But it's really it's about, you know, our lives, being
here for our for our children and our families, and
just being the best version of ourselves. You know what
drove me was getting my getting my family back, getting
(07:46):
my life back together. To do that, I had to
work on myself and you know, become the best version.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
When it comes to being pointed out and this used
to be prevalent back in the day that that attitude
is plainly changing, but maybe in some areas it's not.
Such a change is going through.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
Me me bro, A lot of the people that come
into I mean it's hard walk into the gym. You know,
you've got a lot of the times you're worried about
what people are thinking, and it's just hard to work
up that courage people walking through our doors and we're
you know, we've got a really you know, amazing environment,
but even walking through here, but sometimes people will sit
outside for a month just watching and so any times,
(08:23):
you know, things like this that happened at a high profile,
it just makes it harder for people to start their journeys.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And when it comes to encouraging people, it's got to
come from within more than anything, doesn't it As opposed
to being if you will, shamed into making that decision
that can't help.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
One hundred percent. You've got to support each other.
Speaker 8 (08:40):
You know, one of the pillars of BBM has been
around good people. It doesn't sound like he's around you know,
good people.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It was actually a she by the way, have you
on that as well? Also? But this is interesting because
a number of women's sport the weight isn't mentioned when
it comes to player descriptions height maybe not weight. I
think that's starting to transfer now into the men's game.
This again I use the word archaic, but the concept
(09:07):
of weight when it comes to describing a player, I
don't think that is relevant or helps. Well, maybe in
some sport it is.
Speaker 8 (09:14):
Yeah, even when the way they measure it they still
using BMI, which is you know, that is archaic and
that that should just be taken out as a measurement
tool because you know a lot of the all blacks,
you know, all black forwards are considered as obese. You know,
I myself would be considered morbidly obese. So you know,
I've got to look at the measuring tool as well.
It's for me if if you're performing and you're healthy
and happy, that then you know there's not much to
(09:36):
complain about.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
To be and my do you want to explaining that
for us people who may be a bit slow on
the uptake there because it is an old kind of concept,
but something has been used for quite some time. What
do they base it around, Dave.
Speaker 8 (09:47):
Yeah, I mean it's a pretty generic general so it's
your body mass index index and I think they take.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
It your weight divided by your age and that's it.
Speaker 8 (09:57):
They don't take into you know, your muscle density, your genetics,
all these different types of things.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
So yeah, it is a really old fashioned tool.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Impossible to tell the health of someone based on what
they carry and how they stand. Because there are some
particularly amazing athletes that I suppose to your eye don't
look they are look like they are athletes. So that's
when you get comments like this, why they're that opposition
party member? And again it doesn't help that concept hundred percent.
Speaker 9 (10:26):
You know.
Speaker 8 (10:27):
Again, I go back and I remember there was a
when there was a big controversy of out being my
you know a few years ago they were bringing up
that a lot of the all blacks would be considered,
you know, obese, which you know clearly they're not. But
it's just that that measuring toolis's outdated.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Does it stop younger people getting into sport feeling that
they are going to stand out or in the changing
seeds people are going to look at them? Is that
a mental issuity, you believe, Dave.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
Look, I'll use our example. You know my young son,
he's he's seven brook he plays rugby league in and
now he's he's conscious about his weight. You know, he's
talking to me, Dad, can we go and train? I'm
getting fat? You know, it's seven. So there's so many pressures,
especially on these younger generations. You've got the social media
that comparing themselves against Instagram and what they see on
(11:13):
YouTube and now you know with you know, with athletes
and going through all the stuff they're going through. It's
really tough. So you know, it's we have to really
work on their mindset around that. So it's something that
we're working on with my son. You know, he's seven
years old and he has this complex.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Is this such a thing as a healthy weight for
an athlete. Do you think, David I gain it.
Speaker 8 (11:31):
I think it's sport dependent, bro, and you know and
how you're performing. But everything comes down to me, like
you know, are you healthy and are you happy?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
And can you maintain it?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And when you look at boxing, I suppose it is key,
isn't it because you've got certain weight classes. You can't
mess with that or hide there. But it's not. Yeah,
that's an interesting concept in fight sports.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Huh one hundred.
Speaker 8 (11:54):
You know you got a lot of these guys are
really unhealthy weight cuts to make a weight, and you
know it's it can be quite dangerous.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Advice to people in sport that maybe think they're carrying
too much or where do they go to to maybe
not necessarily seek solace, but advice around what they carry,
where they're going and what's healthy for them, because I'm
presuming that other people's advice and inputs probably quite key,
especially for the younger athlete.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
I look, everything we say is just ignore the haters,
ignore the noise, use everything, every bit of adversity and struggle.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Use it as fuel to push you to be better.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No need for the DMO. We've got the breakdown on
sports Talk call News Talk, said.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Davia Telly There Brown Butterbean, former boxer now part of
Butterbean Motivation. That is his organization community leader. He likes
to look after the health, the mental health, physical health,
the well being and more of young people, any people,
i'd say, right across the community. Interesting to have his
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thoughts on that. Now, this may sound reasonably simplistic, but
I think there is an issue out there and I'm
interested in your points of view on this. Plainly, it
does still exist, but I'd suggest that what happened over
in India is rare because people won't say it because
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it's frowned upon in this day and age to mention
that which is understandable. So does it still exist in sport?
Speaker 4 (13:28):
It?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Does it exist in your sport? Is it a cause
for an issue for yourself? Like has it stopped you
playing sport because you're embarrassed about the shape or you
think you're overweight? You don't think you've got a part
of this?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Is this destructive?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And I'm fascinated by it because in essence, in some
sport your body weight size, it's instrumental in what you do.
But in how many sports is it actually key the
cricket players, there's you know, there's hardly the slenderest bunch
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in the world. Right, But if you can bat and
bowl and catch, doesn't matter what your shape is. Surely
you look at some sportsman like darts players, they're hardly
live individuals. Can they still play the sport? Yes they can,
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It's fine. Someone's texted in Darcy. What's the common name
for Fords and rugby fat boys? What do they call
the fat man's track? When you run up the middle?
Because props are generally bigger characters. They have to be,
it's the nature of what they do. Does anybody fat
chain them? There's lots to talk about here. I'm really
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interested in your thoughts. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
joined by Trevor Mate, how are you hey?
Speaker 10 (15:07):
That's right? Yeah, Well I'm a boomer, so I'm probably
going to have a different opinion to you. So what
are you actually called? Is it the word fat? I mean,
if somebody's tense ten stone overweight, you don't call them
fat anymore? Well, a little word.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I don't know. It depends what you and I mean.
This is the discussion on this. I mean, if someone's
the target of this and feels upset by that phrase
fat more than anything else. I don't know if necessarily
the word, but I think to determine someone else and
if they're overweight or not, is that you're prerogative for
your position to do so because.
Speaker 10 (15:45):
You don't think, well, I think if you're a superstar,
I meant, I mean a lot of all blacks have
not made world charts because not fit. But we know
it's the excess weight that they're carrying. I mean, you
used to watch the NRL players when they come back,
and they're words half a dozen players that are fat overweight,
And I'm just wondering, what do you call a person
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who is overweight? Now? You don't call them fat?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Well, no, I'm how do you determine whether they're over
not if they don't have the shape of the body
that you determine as being in a domoslate shape like
they've got a bit of a time, does that make
them fat? Does that make them overweight? But I don't
know where that sits anymore because you look at Tom Walsh,
I mean, b Am I wise is obese, but you
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would hardly call him fat or unfit, would you.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
Well, I'm not too sure, Darce. I mean, you know,
you look at dance players and I find a little
bit strange that somebody's a little bit afraid to call
them flat because when they walk you can see their
stomach bouncing up and down. So doctors say, you know,
when a doctor tells you, look, you've got to lose
weight you're overweight, otherwise you'll die with a heart attack.
I mean, so you don't say that anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Because you can all but people die of heart attacks
for a number of reasons, and they keep the insight
they do. Heavy smokers die heart attacks all the time,
don't they.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
So, but you've heard doctors repeatably say that, you know,
if you're carrying too much weight, it's bad for you're
I just I don't understand why people are offended the fat.
What's the problem.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, I don't know. I don't I'm as skinny as
they come. I'm a racing whip it. I've never been
on the end of it, so I don't know what
it means and what it feels like. And I think
that if you do carry what is perceived as being
extra weight on the padic, you are going to attract that.
And I don't know what it's like to attract. Hard
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for me to say, right, yeah, if you does.
Speaker 10 (17:43):
For your point, do you get offended when somebody calls
you skinny? I know, Well it's the same as calling
Tom unfat, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I don't know, I'm I don't know.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
No, Well, you're describing somebody who's skinny. Is what you see? Generally?
You are thinner than most people. And I mean, if
you're not offended by being called skinny, why are you
offended like called?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well, I don't think I'm skinny anyway. I think I'm
perfectly shaped and I'm an adonission. And here's the other
one for your treva. What other people think of me
as none of my business? I take that back. It
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is my business because if people don't like me and
they don't listen, I don't rate, I'll lose my job.
I'll take that back. What people think of me as
all of my business, whether they think I'm obese or
not or skinny, does it make any Surely? It's sports
performance based. So did that woman step over the line
by saying she thinks that Ray Charmel is overweight? Hm? Well,
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you can criticize people based on performance, but not about
how they look and how does their look differential in
their performance. He's got a big nose doesn't change the
way he plays the game. But if you say he's
got a fat ass, that makes it's a different story.
Right twenty five past seven, I'd love to hear from you.
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God it certain Trevor makes it? Is it bad to
call someone fact? Is that the worst thing in the world?
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty mightn't be digging a
hole I can't get out of here. Gary Stead, coach
of the black Caps, join just later on the piece
This is News talk Z. Would be plenty of texts.
Let's get a monk spot.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Up forget the riffs call you make a call on
sports talk on your home of sports talk.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Said.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Mardy Pony, mighty bunny, get on firms buy I've been
breaking my back, just keeping winding nine wells talk eron
News talk Z. B Right, Charma was fat shame by
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Shama Mohammed, spokesman for the Congress and his main opposition party,
said he needs to lose weight and of course he's
the most unimpressive captain India have ever had. That tweet
got deleted fairly sharpishly as you can understand, said, you
know what you just you can't say that, mate, She
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responded with I felt he was overweight and I tweeted
about it, and I have been attacked for no reason. Well,
you know you've been attacked because you've said that. The
except the Is it acceptable to say that in this
day and age?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty? Is it a feat what
you do in sport? Do you look at a sportsman
and go, well, you could be better or a sportswoman
if only you'd just tremble it around your gut? You
wouldn't say that to a sumo restler, would you? And
say that to a prop?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Would you?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty? Is this destructive that
cross the line between performance based? Or was it just
an out and out insult? As I said, I'm bone skinny.
I've never experienced it. I don't know, but there are
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people out there get triggered by it, and I'm wondering
how many people don't play sport, don't involve well, they
go to that insult as a way of expressing frustration
with the player, I think, or a better way of
insulting someone than that. As you said before, you're like, yeah,
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great you're fat. I mean, there you go, You've got
a gut. Does it change your performance? Are you still
very very good at what you do? Yes? Fine, not
a problem. You have a big nose or a bald head,
doesn't you nothing you can do about that? Maybe the
way there is something you can do about it. But
in a position where you're doing very well in your role,
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what does it matter how large you were? Let's go
to the text line that's nine two nine two zed
b z b Bob said, if you're not living a life,
why are you alive? You're not living your life for you?
Why are you alive? You are fair enough, Dave ak BB,
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you're one of New Zealand's finests. Would have thought that
one person could do so much to change the lives
of many others. It's from Chrissy, your caller. Trevor made
an incorrect assumption that perceived fat or skinny comments are
linked to being unhealthy. In some cases it is, but
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as you alluded to with his doctor, but with athletes
at the top of their game, who is he or
others to just how does anyone know? What's the point?
I was trying to make to treat it. These comments
can also adversely impact the youth, especially who look up
to these stars. There's so many eating disorders in New
Zelle and they've gone up well, they have a four
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hundred percent since twenty twenty. Body shaming comments are dumb, archaic,
and can be very dangerous. Another text rights, I believe
Joe Parker's last opponent wasn't fat. It was just a
wee bit out of shape. Fat is a rude description.
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Is it relevant? But I don't think it is. But
I've never been receiving end so I don't know. And
Skinny doesn't bother me A good evening. It is sad
to hear, but I been Sun feels the way he
does about himself. I've been home from school after being teased.
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My dad told me, if your tummy is in line
with your ribs, you're just right. And if you didn't
want to finish your tea, he would say in Ethiopia
and live on that for a month. Yeah, it always happened.
It made me feel all right. Remember Fatty and Skinny
had a bath Flatty bilof and Skinny laughed. Thanks Shelley. Yeah,
that was kind of making making light of that situation.
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Some people can't control it, and it shouldn't be something
you judge someone on. In sport, if you're obesie overweight
and you're a marathon runner, people are like, well, this
is probably why it's not working for you. But in
most lines of sport, people find the weight that they
are happy with that can still work at that level.
I mean, you look at right Charmer, so he's not
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a chisel to dollars. He's a bloody good cricket player
that's underselling. It's fantastic gooday Tony, how are you well?
Speaker 11 (25:02):
It's like a brief chilement about your subject. It's quite interesting.
But I'm still of in the boxing and quite a
big way. The boys like Holleyfield because of this. You know,
it's chill or physique. But when you look at boxing
as exceptions. Now you know a guy called Johnny Luiz.
Now he's got quite a little bit of a porch,
but he's one of the fastest sitters in the game.
If you watch how quick that guy can hit, he's
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like a mechanical Teddy Bear. So you know, you can't
judge your book by it cover. You know what I'm
saying to.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
You, absolutely I do. I just it's odd that someone
would say that. I mean, you weigh and tweet that
as well as a politician. You know something about Luise
that I found out the other day which I find stunning.
I was watching an interview podcast with Joe Parker and
they see, who's the hardest punchy you've ever faced? He said,
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it's Ruiz. He said. The speed of Uise is he
is so fast it snaps you and it feels like
an electric shock. He goes, I've never experienced it before.
I haven't experienced it since. Interesting are Well, there you go.
Speaker 11 (26:05):
But but getting back to calling people fair, you know,
it is socially, especially if you're referring to a woman
more than a guy, it's not really acceptable to start
calling people. You know, fair skinny doesn't really resonate as much,
but you know, social norms, it's not really a thing
to pass a comment, especially about a female, that she's
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overweight or fat. It never has been, and it's not
really acceptable. I don't think and sport to refer to
anybody's all as such. You know what I'm like, what
was it?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It was ring fat and skinny? Again? This fascinates me.
I mean, I know some people that are very, very
very slender. They don't have a lot of muscle renting,
and they winced when people call them skinny. I get
that in sae of people that are carrying more. So
how you respond to that? I don't. It's to me,
it's fascinating. I think it's got a place anywhere, a
(27:00):
place correct. Yeah, funny, thanks for your call, mate, and
thanks for joining us. And you you I'm trying to
as well. Made a comment to someone once about no,
they know me pretty well about their size. They were
complaining that they thought that weighed too much. I was like, well,
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it doesn't really matter what you look like. Are you're healthy,
Are you healthy? Do you eat well?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Do you walk?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Do you excite? Are you healthy? Because it doesn't matter
what you look like as long as you're healthy and
you feel good about yourself, to which they retorted, it's
coming from a guy who will hardly eat it's all protein,
spends most of us time in the gym, so he
looks okay and shorts my kids stop the argument straight away?
What do I say that? Okay, fine, you're right. Seven
(27:56):
thirty seven. Your calls still to comes his news talks eb.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Never been sanit chee.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Fully please twenty minutes eight off of the text. Now,
I see. I'm sure you made comments about the condition
of Joe Parker's last opponent, but that's normal on boxing
to criticize that fight as Steve's words, not mine. But
I might have said he was was I don't think
I would have used fat as a term that may
looked a little out of condition, looked a little out
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of shape. I did that matter it? Maybe it did.
Maybe he didn't have the fitness required to deal with
Joe Parker. Hey, Derek, how are you?
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yeah? I thought that Joe Parker came into he yetually
enormously comes in a one O nine one ten. I
think you and I've talked about his way before. I
think he's come literally comes in at one O nine
one ten. Here he came and at I think one.
I was astonished when I saw it. I was absolutely astonished,
and I was worried less worried when Daniel pulled out,
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but then I saw the replacement who I'd seen before.
Is I've always questioned sometimes when a fighter says, well,
I came in at late notice, Well, there on a second,
you're a professional fighter, that's all you do every day.
How can you not be in shape? The unprofessionalism of
this drives me insane. I heard day before the butter
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Beans saying that, oh, it's so dugorous at the lower
the weight divisions, when guys are going to lose a
lot of work to get down one forty seven or
one sixty, which is well to weight or middleweight. That
annoys me as well because back in the day, you know,
I hate to be one of these guys, but you
do a lot in boxing. One of these days that
back in the day, fighters fought a lot more often,
and they fought for less money, but they always fought
better opponents, and they were always in shape because they
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never knew when the chance was going to come where
they had to step into somebody else the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, can you take it, Joe? I can on here
in number.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Fo the professionals. That's the where it goes. I mean,
I means somebody all of a sudden, somebody around said, oh,
Darcy can't make it the night, he's got a bad
larynge ititis. You know, they'd be a young producer, I'm sorry,
a young broadcast who's come out of broadcasting this girl.
He's not going to turn around and say, well, you
know I haven't prepared myself. No, he'll jump straight in.
You'll take your spot.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Which is why you hear again because I refuse to
give it on the opportunity. It's it's pretty simple ast
to go the shaming thing because I know, as I
mention before about Andrew Ouiz, it doesn't really define who
you are as a sportsperson, does it, unless you're something
that definitely requires a particularly slender shape. But a lot
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of cases, and you look at cricketers, there's some cricketers
who carry a lot man can I still it runs
bowl bulls cats here they can, So it doesn't matter, No,
it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I think also these days with sportsman earning loads of
money and on one of these people that say anything
about people earning money, good on. That's the market rate,
that's what the worst, that's what they're ruining. But if
you have a look at the Printer League at the moment,
I follow Liverpool as you know, and they're on top
of the table and they've just played eight games or
something in fifteen days now they got their club's got
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so many sports scientists these days checking their weight with
an underweight overweight because they have to play and if
they can play within two days or can they played
three days, that they're playing four days. All so scientific
now that if a player doesn't stick to the diet
or he turns up. This is something that the club
has happened over a couple of times over the years,
but not very often. They sign a player for big money,
big contract. Suddenly he shows up a free season and
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he's overweight. That's a big no no at the club.
That is sometimes in the past they sack players for that.
So I mean it's a difficult one. I heard Trevor say,
and that's interesting. Trevor made an interesting point. If you're
not going to use the word fat, you can use
another word, but it still means that the player it's
out of shape, and you get to a situation like
where we had in New Zealand with Anthony Peden with
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the woman cyclists. I think he lost a job because
of this, suggested suggest that she see a nutritionist. She
took that as fat shaming. He lost his job. So
at the end of the day, if the person is
not in shape, whether the fat or not you want
to use another word? What is the word? And how
do you approach it? I think it's a very difficult thing.
How do you approach these conversations? And can a man
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approach a woman or vice versa. It's a very difficult one.
But if that cricketer is out of shape and he's
not scoring runs, well.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
If you're not scoring ones, you're dropping catches, you can't bowl.
You get the stitcher in there and out for it. Hey, mate,
you've got some health issues, some fitness issues which can
be directly translated to weight. But you captain in your country.
He's scoring a potlad of runs and winter it's like
he cares.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
What you look like.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It's an interesting conversation, Derek, thanks very much for joining in,
and I'm sure you found it fascinating that Andy Ruiz,
according to Joe Parker, had the horror the fastest, the
heaviest punch it'd ever faced. Like he wouldn't want to
get punch for that email punches like electricity, like crazy stuff.
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It's called of the eight sports Talk care and News talks.
Thereb coming up next. Gary Stead, coach of the black Caps,
on the eve of their semi final against South Africa
and the Champions Trophy. A day out from the semi
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final of the Champions Trophy, one day turn and up
against the South Africans. We joined now by black Caps
head coach Gary Stead here on the Sports fix It. Gary, Hi, Darcy,
you'd be extraordinarily excited about another semi final opportunity in
an international and ICC event. This has almost become habitual,
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so comfort to a degree for you and your team
knowing what you face.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
Look, it's always nice to reach the stage of the tournament.
I think whenever you enter a tournament, you know that
if you get to the stage, you get to the
knockout type round. In a tournament like this, where I
guess every result is important, it is important you start
well and I think our lead into it was very
(34:29):
good and the way we started against Pakistan was great
as well. So it puts you in the I guess,
on the right foot going into the tournament. So look,
we're really excited to be here. Whenever you get to
this stage, you've got I think four very very deserving
and very good teams that enter this final stage. So
we'll have an eye on the game today in DFS Australia,
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but sort of preparing also for what we do tomorrow
against South Africa.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
You talk about leading and preparation, and you Zeel and
Cricket have been accused before of maybe not giving the
team the best chance to compete in some tournaments, not
this time around the lead up, the build up. I
don't know how pre planned that was, but if you're
in a position to do well there against the opposition
you've got it's on a plate for you.
Speaker 9 (35:16):
Gary, Yeah, it was very good prep. I mean the
tri series we had immediately before was timely. I think
if you look at the amount of odieye cricket that's
been played before this by most countries, it hasn't been
a lot. So I think whenever you can get in
in that same country and play on the same pitches
that we will play on, absolutely it's an advantage.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You got beaten by Andy, which means you didn't have
to play Australia either, or you've got to beat two
teams to get through and win the trophy. But was
that a dulling almost? Was that almost necessary for your guys?
Speaker 9 (35:52):
I don't think so. I think for large parts of
that game we actually played some really good cricket I
said to the boys. I thought it was one of
the best fielding displays I've ever seen by a Black
Cats unit. I thought there some sensational catch. I thought
we stuck really really well to our bowling plans as well,
and I mean just about on any pitch if you
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can restrict that India team to two point fifty and
with a little bit of luck, it could have been
a few less if Pandya didn't get going, for example
near the end. So I thought we bowled well. We
struggled a little bit with Varren Chatravaki as well, that
we that a lot of our players hadn't seen before
or faced live, and he's a bit of a unique
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spinner the way he bowls. But I'm sure if we
do play India again in the future will be better
for that experience as well.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Garristeed joining us talking Champions Trophy cricket. What about the
new captain Mitch Santner. How's his I shouldn't really call
him an apprenticeship, but he's new in the role as
the full time captain of the one day side. How's
that development going for you and the team and him?
Speaker 9 (36:58):
Look, I think Mitch has walked in reasonably seamlessly. To
be honest, he's obviously has a lot of experience. I
think he has a lot of mana within our our
dressing room as well, and the way he's been leading
the side, I think his decision making on the field
has been on points. So look, I've been really happy
with him. I know the team's rulling around him, helping
where he is, but he's still strong enough, intelligent enough
(37:21):
to have his own ideas out there and put his
spin on the game. So I think that's what you're
looking for, and a leader, you're looking for someone that
will be upfront and others and follow and I think
his performances have been standing up to that test, and he.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Can be quite sneaky and his decision making too. He's
definitely his own captain and his own man. I don't
think he feels like he's carrying the weight of captain's
gone before he knows it's his opportunity to say, hey,
this is what I can do, and he's not afraid
of putting it out there.
Speaker 9 (37:48):
No, that's right. And as you say, Mitch is his
own man. He's got his own thought patterns around how
he wants to play. And I think he's reading the
game very well as well. And look, there's always small differences.
You might say, did you consider this, would you have
tried that? And when you have those conversations with Mitchie,
he is thinking about them as well, So it's not
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just a one way or a one style that he has.
He's adaptable and I guess Malia ball as well. So look,
we have some very good conversations around the game, the
way it's been played and the way we want to
play as well. And I think on the whole we've
been sticking to that very well.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Extraordinary, dangerous, dangerous to underestimate the strength of South Africa.
Very different team from the team that you played beforehand.
But I'm sure you're not going into just thinking their
records no good when it comes to semi finals. We've
got this. You've got to understand what they bring. So
on that, what do they bring, what are their big threats?
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Gary.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
Look, in my opinion, though one of the strongest teams
in the world at the moment. They are very very
well balanced. They have a very good mix of pace bowlers.
They have variety and their pace bowlers as well, left arm,
right arm, tall skiddier bowlers and then a couple of
spinners and Shamsi and Maharaj who are very skillful as well.
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Their batting has a nice mix I think also of
some power, the likes of a class and a miller
who finished games off, but also batsmanship at the top
to get them to scores. So look, in many ways,
I look at them and look at the makeup of
our team and see there's some real similarities between them
and the way the games are played. So my view
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is it just comes down to winning key moments on
the field and holding your nerve under pressure, and that's
certainly something that we try and do every game. But
I think when you reach the semi final stage it
becomes even more important.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
A day out from the semi final and the champions
trophy one day to them and up against the South
Africans we joined now, but no, we're bloody not. I
caught up with Gary after a zoom call about an
hour and a half ago, and I have Edward scissorhands,
so when I chopped it together, I managed to chop
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together a Frankenstein's monster on an interview, But you generally
got the general the thrust of what was going on
there no stage during the interview did he comment on
my weight, which was handy. I knew a guy at
school who was He was a big man. He's a
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big boy, not saying like as in tall and muscular,
but you know, he was carrying a lot. And he
used to go up to other big people in the street,
tat them on the shoulder and go hey, fatty, and
they'd spin around, all offended, and he was bigger than them,
and he'd just roar with laughter and walk off. Some
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people go figure highly entertaining whose expense? I have no idea.
A couple more texts on the fat shaming situation. Tyson
Fury has never looked like a holy Field. No, he hasn't.
He had a sloppy, large looking but lord, what a
boxer he is. Would anyone say that to him? I
(41:01):
doubt it. We all have good bodies, some of us
just hold them deeper than others.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
I get you.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I couldn't agree more with Dave'll tell you it also
works some my verses eating disorders and body this morphere
on the rise with the youth influenced by social media
portrayals of body image. Just a casual throw away line
like that calling someone fat can be really destructive. Someone's
(41:34):
asked me a really big question about Harry Godfrey scoring
his try against the Blues. He dived leading with his
left arm and his hand passed over the deep ballline.
I looked at that. I don't think it cut it.
I think it was really really close. But it's always
dangerous flirting with that dead ballline. And Hi Darcy. On
(41:56):
the lighthearted side, I hope sensor of people don't ever
listen to the twelfth Man Billy Birmingham. No, you're right.
You can tell you what Billy Bimman wouldn't last five
seconds in this day and age. It wouldn't You go
back and look at old videos of comedians and the
like and listen to takes in the seventies and eighties,
be horrified, I think, don't go back and look at
(42:22):
Eddie Murphy's raw. Don't thanks An's Milicise for pushing out
the program. Best of luck to Australia tonight. I hope
you roll India. I'm Darcy Watergrove. Thank youm in good night.
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