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all things going well and good to we'll get across
to Camp black Cap. They've just white Pakistan. Well, the
wipe ping was early and then they just finished it
loft toward the end, so hopefully we can get into
camp once they've crawled out of a shower toward the
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end of the program. Are successful, victory, Well done those men.
What a start it was as well. What ten six's
and four fours from the opening pair. Oh, it's a
great start. Anyway, more on that later on the piece.
But in this first segment of the program, Rugby Direct
Podcast that's Liam Napier and Elliott Smith secured a good
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forty five to fifty minute chat with two of the
key players in New Zealand. Rugby. Are those players being
the CEO Mark Robinson and the head coach of the
All Blacks, Scott Robertson talk to them about well a
number of different issues right across the rugby landscape. You
can hear that newstalk CB dot co dot NZ going
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to look for that podcast, drop it down, have a listen.
But we're going to talk with the eligibility situation, so
we'll hear from those guys. First. We'll hear from Lim
and Elliott talking with Scott and Mark about eligibility specifically,
because it like it feels like this is what they've said.
They're finally on the same page after being a prime
(02:13):
agitator in the All Black coaching jumper, Scott's come back
to the pack and they realize that they've got us
sing off the same song sheet. So hear about that shortly.
And then I've got Gregor Paul. Gregor Paul, much esteemed
and extraordinary colleague. I love talking rugby this blake, he
writes from New Zealand Herald. He'll give us his thoughts
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on what he understands and what he's heard around these
two guys talking again. The Rugby Direct podcast as where
you can find the entire interview forty forty five to
fifty minutes, not for a good accounting. But coming up
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what the two bosses think obviously the all black coach
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Robbos around the corner. Up after that we'll have a
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does of course apply. But before any of that, let's
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do this sort today that in Sport today the Black
Cabs comfortably beat Pakistan today in Dunedin that in the
game before the weather beat the White Funds and Sri Lanka.
The series was drawn through that washout. Captain Suzie Bates
wasn't exactly stoked. I think it was a young group
just any opportunity to be under pressure and a series
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decider is really important for this young group.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
So it's a shame we didn't get that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Chances of all white Marco Samit's are linking up at
Nottingham Forest with national teammate and forest striker Chris Wood.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Well, what are they Marco's wood Forest, But he got
loaned out to the Greek outfit Olympiakoss almost immediately. So
will he get a crack at joining Chris and having
a gone the.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It all depends on the next two months.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
The cards are not on my table at the moment
for me to decide, so it's really ultimately up to Forest. Obviously,
my ambitions and my goals is to join Woodsy up
in Forest.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So what's cause he explodes some interest in Super Rugby
Pacific A number of things including the close and sometimes
surprising results seas into our CEO Mark Robinson.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
And that's you know, creating Jeopardy as Raises mentioned, and
real uncertainty and results. And then I think combined the
commission to be able to stand up in a radiably
short amount of time, as we've always said, have a
real dedicated focus on the competition.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, whatever they've done, it's worked, it's starting. And finally golf,
Ryan Foxes counting as like he stars that he got
off TPC saw Grass at the Players Championship when he
did a fifth morning was required to find eventual winner
Rory Maceroid sounded awful though.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
Glad we didn't have to go back out and play
any holes this morning. We left saw grasses wanning around
ten thirty after the playoff and it was brutally cold.
It was blowing from a different direction and stronger than
it had done all week. And you know, seventeen was
playing into the wind alms, playing into the.
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Win oow, And that's sport. Today Today's released the podcast
from Rugby Direct that is our Voice of Rugby Elliott
Smith with the rugby writer from The Herald, Liam napier As.
They had a couple of the power breakers that you
seelander rugby in with them for their podcast on Rugby Direct,
(05:38):
Mark Robinson CEO, Scott robertson All Black Head Coach. They
talked across a number of issues, ideas, thoughts around the
current rugby landscape. One thing they did speak of was eligibility.
I'm going to take you now to lim Ann Elliott
with Mark and Scott. You can take a listen to
where they have settled after well. There was not exactly
(06:02):
a chasm between the two characters, but they really did
agree on which way eligibility was going to go. It
looks like they've finally settled their differences and they've come
to a conclusion. Take a listen to this. After that,
Greg got Paul Zell and Herald Rugby writer joined us
to pick through the bones of that and then we'll
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Elliott and Liam with Mark and Scott. Liam starts off.
Speaker 9 (06:37):
If we're getting too some some hot topics. Eligibility is
a big one. There's been an evolution over time. We
all know that you currently can't select All Blacks from offshore.
There's the sabbatical options. Where do you both sit currently
about the eligibility stance and where do you see it
get into in the next few years.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, well, we're really clear as an organization.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
You know, there's been a lot of say, speculation and
talk about it, but through all of that we've been
really firm that it's been a big part of successive
New Zealand Rugby and the All Blacks for some time.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
It is a key sort of incentive for players to
remain here, and.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
It is something that is also important for the wider
pathways and development of the game here.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So look, it's right.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
It's an area where there's always probably going to be,
you know, a degree of scrutiny, as it is for
many areas of the game.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's great, you know, there's passion and interest in the game.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
But for us, we've been able to for a long
period of time retain the vast majority of players we've
been wanting to retain, and then obviously in the last
little while there's been as you said, within the policy,
there's the tools and flexibility to be creative where we
need to recognize some of those long term servants that
have given so much to the game and be able
(07:53):
to give back while retaining them, you know, longer term
with the All Blacks in New Zealand rugby.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
So overall, you know, we'll always be.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Open to sort of looking at it in the future,
but at the moment we're pretty firm and supportive of it.
Speaker 10 (08:07):
Raising you've them obviously been one of your lines has
been keep an open mind. Where are you at at
the moment with the soligibility saga.
Speaker 11 (08:14):
Yeah, look, I had a first a year you know,
so I said, of have a year to look at
it and where I stand. And the first thing is,
you know my intentions for the The comment was is
it fit for purpose still? You know currently in this
model where we're sitting, you know, globally and internally, you know,
one of my jobs is to make sure that the
pathways is strong so we can keep it can do
(08:35):
a flow of quality players enjoy the game and also
want to come through and be professional rugby players and
in aspiration. So we'll talk a little bit later on
around the pathway stuff that we're doing. But look, look,
I understand how important is and now I'm probably got
more insight around the flexibility there is. There isn't the
current regulations. You know, it is fit for purpose, There
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is a little bit of flexibility there. And I just
want to give you an example. An open mind is
someone like a Jody Barrett. You know, traditionally we've gone
to Japan to play. And when Jordi came and said
I've got an option for for for Leinster and another
an opportunity, you know, we zoomed and we talked through
all the practicalities. What would what would his season look
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like going north? Is it going to make him a
better player, you know. And once we'd listened and you know,
had majority of the six nations off, he'd had a break,
he'd been well coached, you like, I just had to
catch up with Jack Naber when I was over there
and talked and sat down with him, and just how
impressed he was as a as a player, as a man,
how hard he worked on and off the field. That
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were just incredibly impressed. You know, we touched base with him.
He's an on field coach to Jeordie, so he'd be
leaning on and off the field. And that's a prime
example of keeping open mind someone like himself going north. Okay, great,
we're in a position now will he'll come back as
a better player And ultimately that's what we want out
of this. And he's just one example, you know, potentially
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more to come.
Speaker 10 (10:04):
Do you see? You see more part actually of those
sort of deals happening in the future.
Speaker 11 (10:09):
Yeah, yeah, look at what's worked, you know, look if
at the essences. You know, we're still keeping the integrity
of all our pathway programs. So a guy doesn't go
away and play with picking people from overseas. They've earned
the opportunity they've been loyal, they've done their time. They
get to go away and then come back and he'll
come back and you know he'll be a coach at
the Canes again, is there is it's a great player
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player coach as we know and other players you know
where they sit in their career. They have that opportunity
to as well because.
Speaker 10 (10:37):
You look at South Africa obviously and they can pick
whoever they want, whenever they want.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
That wouldn't work for the All Blacks.
Speaker 11 (10:44):
You don't think, well, one sort of thing I've learned
and talk through it and you look at these stats
and it suits their model. It seats their model for
them where they currently are of you know, financially, where
they sit with the current competitions in their players, so
that there's model for us. We're in great shape. You know,
we've got a great group of law or blacks and
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you know, super players that want to be all Blacks
and young kids that want to be all Blacks and
know that they're playing our country.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
To get that opportunity, I.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Mean, we've got to focus guys on what we think
is best for New Zealand rugby night when there's always
that's a beauty of the support. There's always comparisons and
analysis is the different models, but we fundamentally believe this
can work for New Zealand rugby and we are retaining
majority of players and you know, whilst we might not
have all the resource and all the money compared to
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some markets, we're working really hard around environments, you know,
great coaching environments, great competitions, got virgin and competitions are
going to get better and better. Grade five year calendar
coming up in terms of what's possible around rugby in
this part of the world with the Lions tours, the
South Africa All Blacks concept, and we think super Rugby
is going to get better and better. So focusing really
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hard on what always keep you a little bit on
what's going on around the world, but focusing really hard
on what we're doing as well.
Speaker 9 (12:01):
You mentioned the Jaudy Bear example. Yes, another one who
you don't have access to, rich and more one a
world class ten you know, well, I think you both
you know, went up to Japan to meet with him
at the back end of last year. I don't know
the nature of those conversations, but obviously there was a
desire to bring him home early. Why did he not
come home early was as simple as couldn't reach terms
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with Tasheba financially or.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
There's a lot of speculations around that. Last year wasn't
the ELM.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
So look, I think clearly people understand there were some
conversations through last year, but ultimately, you know, Richie's made
a decision to work through to the obligations under his contract.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You know, we respect that and we're moving forward.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
As we say, we're really clear on our eligibility rules
and you know, we certainly always respect players that have
left the All Blacks and are playing off shore, and
there's always a degree of contact. You know that that happens,
but that's good coaches and good good people doing their
jobs probably and that happens a lot of level. That
happens with players that are very much passed you know,
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their playing careers, and that that's just the nature of
the black environment and all black families. So hey, look,
you know we're clearly moving forward and got a lot
of belief and the people coming through and the protocols
were got in place.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
Scott Distill hope Richie will come back next year when
his contract finishes and push for a place in the
twenty twenty seven World cut.
Speaker 11 (13:24):
Yeah, look, all players, if you want all your best
players available, you know, that's what it takes to win
a Rugby World Cup. And you know you keep connected
with all of them, doesn't matter and where they are at.
You know, you still get message from from the old
players now and again, chicking in and making sure. You know,
Sam Kaine sat his time, but he's you know, he's
a prime example. You know he checks it and making
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sure everything's right in the off season. But yeah, you
just want your best players.
Speaker 10 (13:49):
Saw Boden Baron and Damien McKenzie last year have that
ten jersey? How important are they in this next three
years for you as an All Blacks coach?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Critical?
Speaker 11 (13:58):
Look like I just you know b Mac, you know
what a year that he had gave him plenty of opportunity,
you know, just his ability to control the game with
his boot. You know, I think the Irish game, how
good was that? You know, the before he came on
and kicked the ball from the sidelon to England to
change the match. And then then he owned that game
against Ireland, you know, and got picked in the World
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fifteen as a ten. And so it's impact off the
bench as match management, his ability to lead the teams
to being credible. And you've got Bode who's just evergreen,
just kept going and so classy. He just got so
much time. He's a game. There's a kicking game. Been
awesome for US coaches. He's been great off field. So
both of them compliment each other really well. And because
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they can pay ten and fifteen and you know, both
have grad im packs off the bench are really really
valuable to us.
Speaker 9 (14:46):
I think d makes off contract this year. Yeah, you're
going down to the tron and offering them a race
source or something.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Keep him in the con for a minute.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
Oh look, you know he's he's a linebreaker. He's got
that special ability to do something others don't, you know,
every intention and work as hard as we possibly can.
And they a player like him, you know, he's in
that peak of his powers at twenty nine. He's he's
learnt so much, he's mature and for sure we're on them.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
Seven one United Front The Here Scott Robinson or Black
Coach and Mark Robinson the CEO of the All Blacks
coming together as one, things have been a little smooth out.
If you want to hear more on that and other
issues in Rugby Rugby Direct podcast, Liam and Elliott have
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new b dot co dot m Z and you will
find it all coming up next. Response to that from
Gregor Paul, he's all and herald rugby writer. What he makes,
the smoothing of the waters and what the future looks
like when it comes to player eligibility. This is something
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Twenty five after seven Robinson and Robinson coming together with
a Reby Direct podcast. I'm going to talk about all
things rugby at that top level, including smoothing the waters
around eligibility. Scott robertson playing right into that really wanted
to have that look chased after Richie mul Wonga wants
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to see it change. No, no, no, so they can
come together as one and look forward. Rig Paul took
a listen to that interview. He is the new Zellant
held rugby writer and a couple of them. He joins
us now to take a look at what he heard.
Good evening, Grigor, Good evening, Darcy. Interesting news today. But
it looks like the two Robbos, or the Robert and
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the Robbo. It's Mark and of course Razor Ray have
They're on the same page now around what happens with
extracting players out of overseas contracts and having them play
back here in the All Blacks. This is something that
Razor was absolutely hot on. Looks like they've mended their ways.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, it looks like it.
Speaker 12 (17:57):
I'm not buying it to be Frank, I just don't
believe that you have a coach in Razor who spent
what five six, seven years and Super Rugby looking at
player trains, trying to hold onto his players at a
crusaders level. He then had what did he have yet
about six months notice that he was going to be
the Oldlecks coach, So you know, he was appointed early.
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He had six months building up to that where he
gave a lot of thought about what the right eligibility
model might look like, where market trends were going, you know,
what players were looking at from the contract. And he
was absolutely adamant that the current eligibility laws were not
fit for purpose. And this was in November December last
year that he was still even more certain after coaching
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the Oblecks per year that they were not right. Now
did the Rugby Union like the fact that their coach
was publicly not aligned with their eligibility policy. Of course
they didn't like that. So I suspect that what's happened
to you is that Razor hasn't changed his mind at all.
He's still very much of the view that the eligibility
rules aren't quite right, but he has also realized that
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as the all black coach, he can't public they fight
with his employer. He needs to be publicly aligned support
their policy. He can badger them, he can advocate behind
the scenes as much as he likes. He can tell
them I don't believe it. But when they ask him
and they say, well, we need you to be publicly
aligned and tell the media that you are, then he's
going to have to do that because that is how
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you know, that's how employment works start. So we all
have to accept that your employer has a hold on
you to some degree.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, I've had that situation myself. You've got to understand.
Speaker 13 (19:35):
See.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Look, I'll agree with you because I'm my boss, but
don't tell me how to think and all behind And
that's understandable. So could you say stage managed? These guys
both put up front, both put up in a couple
of good rugby journalists for a Rugby direct to I
suppose draw a line in the sands we are aligned,
even though maybe they're not.
Speaker 12 (19:56):
Yeah, a necessary pr function because because given what Reason
has said at the end of last year, given that
the New Zealand Rugby Board has changed in its entirety
in early February, this issue would become If nothing was said,
it would continue to fester, wouldn't it. Media like you
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and I would continue to puking pride and ask questions
about what's HRAs we're thinking now. So I think a
smart pr move by New Zealand Rugby to get Raiser
to publicly align, try and kill the issue as a
media topic, try and just put it to bed. So
as France had come in in July, they don't want
any kind of discussion around peripheral topics around eligibility, so
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that's why they've done this.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
But this is leaked to the longer this has gone on,
it's like the boy with the finger and the dike
and it's going to swallow them whole. But they also
don't want to open a Pandora's box. So it's a
very delicate balance they have. And if you think for
a second the media are going to go away, well
that's not going to happen, isn't it, Because we can
not necessarily see the future. But things change, and they
(21:03):
change in a hurry, and you've got to be cognizant
of that.
Speaker 13 (21:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (21:07):
Well, look, I guess people could argue that the player
market trends haven't necessarily changed overlay dramatically on the broad
picture basis that there are there are more, there is
more money and more opportunity overseas for New Zealand's best players.
The money they can earn overseas continues to be greater
than the money they can earn here. That's never really
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changed from the first days of professionalism, but I think
it's become a little bit more nuanced than that now
because you know, Japan is the game changer in my view,
because these guys are are offering at times quite significant
amounts of money. We're talking sort of one million, two
million dollar contracts. They're building a level of credibility in
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Japan in terms of the quality of the rugby. It's
backed by massive corporations, so it's got a sustainable financial model.
Toyota are going to continue to fund the rugby team
forever because that's part of their corporate culture and their
court of conduct almost or their charter. Is what I'm
trying to say, is to punt money back into sport,
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to produce better people and to engage with the community.
So it's all viable and there's a lot of people
gravitating to Japan and the power of that in three
to four years time will be significantly more than it
is not to your point and the ability of Japanese
clubs to lure New Zealand's best players over there with
the lifestyle, with the quality of rugby and the money
(22:35):
on offer, it will be very difficult for New Zealand
to stop more and more players from going there.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
But that's one New Zealand rugby. I suppose cozying art
Worth Japanese rugby and how that actually works because it
is going to happen, but their style of rugby, and
I suppose the players when they come back the state
they're in, it's not like they've been hammered by French
Fords and anger irishmen when they're over there. It actually
sits quite nicely within the remit of New Zealand rugby.
(23:03):
This is the first hole, isn't it.
Speaker 12 (23:05):
Yeah, it does, and timing aligns as well. So that's
the other really important factor here is that the season,
the Japanese season kind of runs can currently with Super Rugby,
which means that you're not asking guys to play round
the clock the way that the South Africans currently are
because they are a Southern Hemisphere country locked into Southern
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Hemisphere International program, but they are effectively a Northern Hemisphere
nation in terms of the club competitions that they play in,
which means their players are going round and round and round.
They never get a break and they're going to blow
up at some point. Japan is different because you can
allow guys in New Zealand to go and play in
Japan the season runs de Zembra. To me, they can
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come home, they can rest and recover for a few
weeks and they're good to go, match hard and match fit,
ready to play in July. The question, and this is
really at the heart of the whole issue, is does
New Zealand rugby feel that if you let a handful
of guys go and play in Japan and keep eligible
for the All Blacks, will the Japanese system have kept
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them at a level in terms of their skills, their
sharpness the game, understanding, the readiness to develop and improve.
Will it be strong enough to do that or will
it be too much of a step down? A lot
of this is about control in that sense a see,
because New Zealand don't trust necessarily other countries to develop
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and look after their players in the same way that
New Zealand thinks it can do well.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That's why they've got to have that alignment. And as
you talk to me off air about this, they've got
coaches in Japan that do align with what New Zealand
Rugby want and can hopefully lift those levels. So like,
see you're Steve Hansen, your Robbie Deans and so on
and so forth. So they've got that connection or is
that too much?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Now?
Speaker 12 (24:55):
Look, these guys have all coached at international level, They've
all got relationships with New Zealand Rugby and the people
within New Zealand Rugby. Like Razor and Steve Hanson known
each other forever, so and Razor and Todd Blackadder have
known each other forever. He's another coach up there in Japan.
So managing these relationships, you know, having Razor if he's
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the All Blacks coach, go up to Japan, meet with
these guys, watch a few games, talk to them, you know,
get a sense of how players are tracking, trending. This
is this is what happens everywhere else in the world. Yeah,
this is what Razzie Rasmus has to do on a
permanent basis because his players are all over the place.
This is what Scotland have to do because their players
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are all over the place, you know. So it's not
that difficult or uncommon for an international coach to be
asked to monitor international club programs to see how his
players are training and tracking, you know. So Africa are
doing that quite easily, so I don't think it would
be that difficult for New Zealand, and given the KEYWI
influence in Japan, and the quality of coaching in Japan
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is actually probably in my view, perhaps higher at some
clubs than it is at super rugby level in New Zealand.
Then the arguments about oh, well, we're worried about the quality,
We're worried about the exposure to poorer training, poorer medical staff,
or the kind of peripheral elements that go into high
performance package. My understanding is that Japan is world class
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in many of those facets, so some of these fears
are not real anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
What happens with the stretch the rubber band, if you will,
around the seventy test cap mark. That looks like that's
a standard for players when they can negotiate that time off,
if you will, with a four year contract with the Japanese,
that stretch further as have come down to sixty, they
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have different laws different rules, maybe dealing with Japanese clubs
as opposed to overseas clubs in the Northern Hemisphere in
Europe in order to keep that control.
Speaker 12 (27:01):
Yeah, that's a good question. I mean I'd answer it
like this and say that New Zealand argues, well, let
me answer your question first. I'm not a fan of
that seventy test match scenario because quite often it leads
to special circumstances coming up because they haven't rigidly stuck
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to that. Jordy Barrett doesn't have seventy test caps, by
the way, from memory, and he's in Ireland. Patrick Tupeloso
didn't have any when he signed and got sabbatical deal
to go to Japan. Richie Muwanga, for example, if they
could have got to him and said, hey, mat what
about you do two years in Japan. We'll call you know,
will allow you to be eligible in between seasons and
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then eligible when you come back home, they would have
access to him right now. And you can say, well,
that's not part of their eligibility policy. But they've always
been willing to make exemptions and exceptions depending on circumstance,
which is why I don't really like about the rule
is because it ultimately feels that they will override it
on any given occasion if they feel a player is
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worth it, and that sets I feel, a really bad
precedent and a bad example, because the whole reason they
don't want, you know, guys to be eligible full time
from overseas is they're talking about the integrity of pathway.
They want to encourage people to stay. They want they
want that to be authentic. The way that they set
the whole program up. Everybody kind of knows that if you,
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you know, if you make a strong enough argument and
if circumstances fever you like there's no other number ten
around and you start saying, hey, I might disappear and
go offshore as well as a bit of leverage, they
will probably bend and buckle and give you what you want.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
The right call is your call on eight eighty sports
Talk call on your home of sports news Talk Zby.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Bring a Paul and you said on Herald Rugby scribe
there talking about the together as a unit. That's one
of Robinson and Robertson looking at player eligibility. This this
will never go away. I feel sorry for new Zell
and Rugby in the fact that they've got to be
elastic in their thinking, otherwise they will lose some of
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their top players. But if there was a hard and fast,
black and white rule, maybe it'll just make it easier
all around. Won't go away, won't change. I do like
the way that Gregor was leaning toward. Will maybe we
just become Japanese rugby becomes New Zealand rugby in a
roundabout kind of way. Yes, they've got stability, they've got
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the money, they appear to have the facilities. Maybe if
you want to do it, do it that way, but
have a hard and fast rule or just go on
a case by case basis your thoughts on one hundred
eighty ten eighty A Paddy High.
Speaker 13 (29:49):
Say, mate, I'm a tell a Taranaki voy of Marke Robinton,
and I think they should let the gates open.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Completely completely open, I completely open.
Speaker 13 (30:12):
Yeah, and don't put any restrictions on players who want
to go and make more money. If you want to
come back and you are able and you get picked
for the team, that's it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
So no returns. But they can't. Sorry, I just I
just lost what you were saying there, Patty. You're hard
and fast as what.
Speaker 13 (30:41):
To leave the gates open if they want to go
over and make some money for their family or whatever
and future leave the selectors to select and pick the team.
(31:02):
It's not so much loyalty, it's about ability grunted.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But I suppose what they're worried about padding thanks for
your callers, that it will erode the strength of New
Zealand and all black rugby people won't stay, they won't
support the game from that grassroots and that pathway level,
which is what they want for the continued well being
and strength. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. This is going
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to go on forever. This conversation and as it should too,
likes a very very important to New Zealand rugby. I
think they've got to go hard and fast on this
and say, look, if you want to go by all
means go because whenever there's a space at the top
where there's a gap, it will be filled by the
next guy's coming through. And that's what you need. And
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a couple of guys at the top of the tree
deciding when they're coming and going. I don't think that's
healthy for.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Zella and rugby.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
It is twenty minutes away from eight o'clock. More of
your calls coming up next eight hundred and eighty ten eight.
Speaker 14 (32:06):
This is Sports Talk on News Talks EMBE.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
We bought sports Talk here on Newstalks. AB Eligibility You
want to hear more from Rugby Direct became Mark Robinson.
That's Scott Robertson on with Elliott Smith and Liam and
Napier News Talks, AB, Dot, Coda and Z. You'll find
that podcast. Back to the phones we go, Dan. Good
evening to you, sir, Hello.
Speaker 15 (32:47):
Can you.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
All good?
Speaker 15 (32:50):
Good one.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (32:51):
I was just talking about just thinking about rugby eligibility
for going overseas and chasing the dollars. I'm not very
well sort of skilled or knowledgeable with administration of rugby,
but I do enjoy watching the All Blacks and pretty
proud to watch them as well. I'm just wondering whether
(33:12):
I'm having like a fifty test sort of eligibility. I
guess once you do fifty tests, you're then able to
go over to Japan or France and chase the big
dollars and also be eligible for the All Blacks. And
whether something like that might work. It would give the
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players a focus to try and reach fifty tests. It
would also protect the domestic game, because you know a
lot of the players will be milling around to try
and get into the All Blacks and get their fifty
tests up. Once you get to fifty tests, you know
you can then go overseas and play, but also still
be eligible for the All Blacks. Just an idea at.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
The moment, they've got a situation that's I don't believe
carved in stone anywhere, but the agents and the players
are aware the cutoff is around about seventy tests, and
once you get to seventy tests, have you sign a
long term contract. Things that are they'll let you go away,
They'll let you disappear and go and play for a while.
(34:18):
We're going to have a holiday and a couple of
teen to lie down and then come back again. So
that's the vague line that they're dealing with at the moment.
I suppose a lot of us like to see that
more concrete, but they've got to be able to be
elastic with their concerns otherwise they could lose some good players, right.
Speaker 13 (34:39):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 15 (34:39):
And I think once you do fifty tests, you know it,
then become very good, very skilled. I mean a lot
of players now are getting to a well, I shouldn't
say a lot, but a few are getting to one
hundred tests, and I think you know the group that
are in between that fifty to one hundred tests, you know,
they are the leaders of the group. They are the
ones that are very skilled. The are the ones that
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also pass on a lot of knowledge to the to
the junior players. If you like coming true, and it's
only fair that they do go away and earn some
big dollars for their skill set and giving them one
hundred percent eligibility to come back and trial for the
all blacks, I think it's really acceptable.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I think though it's at their risk. This is the
main thing. You go away and do that. We are
not going to necessarily pick you. You leave under your
own steam. And if thing's going well and you're playing
good and the coach wants to look at you, fantastic
if not, no guarantees, which means the next level coming through.
Know that these guys aren't going to hold a mortgage
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on their positions just because they've played fifty sixty test matches.
You can't give them too much strength in that position
because they're coming to the end of their careers right.
Speaker 15 (35:50):
Well, the end of their careers are around one hundred
tests now some of them and so you know, if
you look after your body, and I mean a lot
of them are, then you know the ability to go
off and play for France and all the French teams
and play for the Japanese but then come back and
also you know, get into an all Black trial and
get into the All Blacks. I think it gives people
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a real or gives players a real goal to get
that fifty you know, half a century of tests, and
then there's the money, and so a lot of players
will be really hungry to get to fifty because after
fifty is the golden lining if.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You like, there's the thing though, but you don't want
to get to and Dan, thanks for your call. We've
got Ronkey joining it shortly. You don't want a situation
where they're all running for a particular number and then
when they get their number, I can do it. I
want now they No one can win in this. It's
really difficult. I suppose the most important thing he said
on rugby is looking after the structure beneath, so players
know or young players coming through that there is a
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future is here in New Zealand and we don't lose
all of our best players overseas checking a rig though
not sure. It's eleven and a half away from eight.
Wrong Key batting coach out of the black Caps to
join us next.
Speaker 14 (37:05):
We never.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Were never se fifty one.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Sports talk on news talks. There would be quite the
display into needing for the black Caps. They can take
twenty eighth between them and Pakistan, comfortable enough victory in
the end, and at the start, well, it could have
been an absolute slaughter. Ronkey, the batting coach joins us. Now,
what did you say to those guys to start off
with Luke? Because there was a stunner of an opener?
(37:37):
What have they hit? Ten sixers and four fours and
a handful of overs.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I didn't have to say anything. Actually, those guys are
naturally aggressive anyway, so obviously the way they did all yeah,
all those six especially after a maiden to start, I
don't think anyone was quite expecting it to go the
way it did, I guess with all those sixes. But
the guys played beautifully.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
But they had the freedom to do that. They were
given that on presuming because it was a short game
to only fifteen overs you've got to make hay right
suns shining.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Exactly even if the sun's not shining. So we're definitely yeah.
I think guys have got that freedom to play their
style of cricket and at the moment it's working beautifully.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Is this just a theory that you're running right the
way through the whole series because you've got some of
your top men are not there, they're playing overseas. You've
got not the next tier because they'd be disrespectful to
one of these players who are top tier players. But
I think given an opportunity to say, look, make it count,
shows what you've got.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
It's actually just making sure they go out and be themselves.
That's the biggest thing. I think. Sometimes any player sort
of gets an opportunity and they want to do more
than they really need to, and and that can sometimes
make a little bit harder on them on themselves to
sort of put performances on the board. So as long
as we can keep giving the same message about each
player's picked for a reason and that sort of stuff,
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and they can go out and play their style of
credit because that's what gets them to this stage and
gets them doing what they do in their careers. It's
making sure they believe that and remember that as much
as possible and go out there. Yeah, and let's just
let things unfold.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
You get to the end of four overs, you're fifty
without loss. Conversations change around what you want to achieve
or presuming what you're saying. Nah, just carry on.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
You guys are going fine exactly, that's the thing, and
the other ones out there in the middle doing it.
So it's like, well, there's no need to send out
a message, and so I guess muddle up people's minds
because then all of a sudden they might think something
different or or it might just things have become unclear.
So it's like, well, just let them do them and
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the other ones in the action so they know what
they're up to.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
So all those runs you win by five wickets eleven
balls remaining. Was that tighter than you'd like?
Speaker 4 (39:50):
No, not at all. That's the game of creckit. You
expect if you're going to n T twenty credit, you
expect the opposition to have some good periods as well,
and they're allowed to take some wickets and do their thing.
But again, it was still it was a comfortable game
for the guys that had an awesome job with the
ball as well, to keep taking wickets and restrict Pakistan
and then for our guys to go out and back
the way they did to jip runs off. It's always
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what we're after.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Next, what changes for the next three sorry five T
twenty So I'm presuming using this as an opportunity to
rotate around the guys have a crack and we've see
much change ahead of T twenty number three.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I think a
lot of the stuff is more around sort of bowlers
and loads and just checking to see how they're traveling
after I guess a busy sort of champions trophy stent
and then coming back home pretty quickly into another series.
So are we making sure that that the guys are
still ticking the way they need to tick and and
getting through the overs that need to be able to
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get through. And from a batting point of view, it's
just the guys keep ticking along. They're doing a great job,
so just keep backing with what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
You've broken anyone? Have you leake Wrongkey runs Aoka?
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Well, yeah, apart from chap he heard his finger when
he was warming up. But out side of that, it's
so he's still got got out there and did his thing,
but everyone else has been going well.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Cunning playing. I love that from New Zealand. Cricket's always
the same. Let's get some subcontinental players over and sticking
down a christ hits and then when it's freezing cold
and see how they come, I mean, come on really well.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
To be fair that the days leading into this game
it's been nice and warm down here. Obviously christ Hitch
yesterday was cooking so but yeah, unfortunately today it's obviously
it was pretty bloom and cold and wet, so not
the greatest thing. But it's up to Auckland and hopefully
we'll get some good weather up there.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah I'm talking and another double header. Let's hopefully that
the White Ferns can actually get through an entire game.
That enjoy that very much. Hey, good on your leet ronkey,
thanks to make yourself available. I'll look after yourself. Go
well and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Awesome, thanks having me, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
It is seven fifty six. This is Sports Talk on
News Talk z B. There is Pakistan White by New
Zealand one hundred and thirty fives all they scored up
fifteen overs and Zeeland got that where what eleven balls
to go five wickets in hand? Reasonably comfortable on Friday
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you say it on Pakistan and yet again that that's
the third T twenty. It's in Auckland and the circus
goes to Mountain Moganniui Sunday the twenty third of March,
and then we've got the fifty to twenty I which
is in Wellington. Lots coming out to watching cricket autumn, right.
Speaker 16 (42:29):
So we're just hoping for good weather at Awkward Darcy.
That's what we're counting on here is it yes, excellent,
but it is go on, It's cricket. It's a drop breaker,
that's how it works. It's been raining the last two
days and s Middle Search thanks for stepping in and
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Catch you tomorrow from seven
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Good evening. They're at a sports talk It's Tuesday evening.
It's the eighteenth of March twenty twenty five. Him, Darcy
and all the grave. Thanks for joining us. Yes, from
until eight o'clock tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, and we're going
to talk a lot of rugby of an evening and
all things going well and good to we'll get across
to Camp black Cap. They've just white Pakistan. Well, the
wipe ping was early and then they just finished it
loft toward the end, so hopefully we can get into
camp once they've crawled out of a shower toward the
(01:05):
end of the program. Are successful, victory, Well done those men.
What a start it was as well. What ten six's
and four fours from the opening pair. Oh, it's a
great start. Anyway, more on that later on the piece.
But in this first segment of the program, Rugby Direct
Podcast that's Liam Napier and Elliott Smith secured a good
(01:28):
forty five to fifty minute chat with two of the
key players in New Zealand. Rugby. Are those players being
the CEO Mark Robinson and the head coach of the
All Blacks, Scott Robertson talk to them about well a
number of different issues right across the rugby landscape. You
can hear that newstalk CB dot co dot NZ going
(01:49):
to look for that podcast, drop it down, have a listen.
But we're going to talk with the eligibility situation, so
we'll hear from those guys. First. We'll hear from Lim
and Elliott talking with Scott and Mark about eligibility specifically,
because it like it feels like this is what they've said.
They're finally on the same page after being a prime
(02:13):
agitator in the All Black coaching jumper, Scott's come back
to the pack and they realize that they've got us
sing off the same song sheet. So hear about that shortly.
And then I've got Gregor Paul. Gregor Paul, much esteemed
and extraordinary colleague. I love talking rugby this blake, he
writes from New Zealand Herald. He'll give us his thoughts
(02:33):
on what he understands and what he's heard around these
two guys talking again. The Rugby Direct podcast as where
you can find the entire interview forty forty five to
fifty minutes, not for a good accounting. But coming up
next we'll listen to the key pieces around eligibility and
what the two bosses think obviously the all black coach
(02:57):
and the CEO. It's Mark Robinson and Scott Robertson two
Robbos around the corner. Up after that we'll have a
chat with Gregor Paul that will take you all thoughts
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can always text
through nineteen nineteen that ZBZ beats down top text charge
does of course apply. But before any of that, let's
(03:18):
do this sort today that in Sport today the Black
Cabs comfortably beat Pakistan today in Dunedin that in the
game before the weather beat the White Funds and Sri Lanka.
The series was drawn through that washout. Captain Suzie Bates
wasn't exactly stoked. I think it was a young group
just any opportunity to be under pressure and a series
(03:39):
decider is really important for this young group.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
So it's a shame we didn't get that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Chances of all white Marco Samit's are linking up at
Nottingham Forest with national teammate and forest striker Chris Wood.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Well, what are they Marco's wood Forest, But he got
loaned out to the Greek outfit Olympiakoss almost immediately. So
will he get a crack at joining Chris and having
a gone the.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It all depends on the next two months.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
The cards are not on my table at the moment
for me to decide, so it's really ultimately up to Forest. Obviously,
my ambitions and my goals is to join Woodsy up
in Forest.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
So what's cause he explodes some interest in Super Rugby
Pacific A number of things including the close and sometimes
surprising results seas into our CEO Mark Robinson.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
And that's you know, creating Jeopardy as Raises mentioned, and
real uncertainty and results. And then I think combined the
commission to be able to stand up in a radiably
short amount of time, as we've always said, have a
real dedicated focus on the competition.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, whatever they've done, it's worked, it's starting. And finally golf,
Ryan Foxes counting as like he stars that he got
off TPC saw Grass at the Players Championship when he
did a fifth morning was required to find eventual winner
Rory Maceroid sounded awful though.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
Glad we didn't have to go back out and play
any holes this morning. We left saw grasses wanning around
ten thirty after the playoff and it was brutally cold.
It was blowing from a different direction and stronger than
it had done all week. And you know, seventeen was
playing into the wind alms, playing into the.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Win oow, And that's sport. Today Today's released the podcast
from Rugby Direct that is our Voice of Rugby Elliott
Smith with the rugby writer from The Herald, Liam napier As.
They had a couple of the power breakers that you
seelander rugby in with them for their podcast on Rugby Direct,
(05:38):
Mark Robinson CEO, Scott robertson All Black Head Coach. They
talked across a number of issues, ideas, thoughts around the
current rugby landscape. One thing they did speak of was eligibility.
I'm going to take you now to lim Ann Elliott
with Mark and Scott. You can take a listen to
where they have settled after well. There was not exactly
(06:02):
a chasm between the two characters, but they really did
agree on which way eligibility was going to go. It
looks like they've finally settled their differences and they've come
to a conclusion. Take a listen to this. After that,
Greg got Paul Zell and Herald Rugby writer joined us
to pick through the bones of that and then we'll
(06:23):
take your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
It is twelve after seven. This is News Talk to
ZB Let's get things going with the Rugby Direct podcast.
Elliott and Liam with Mark and Scott. Liam starts off.
Speaker 9 (06:37):
If we're getting too some some hot topics. Eligibility is
a big one. There's been an evolution over time. We
all know that you currently can't select All Blacks from offshore.
There's the sabbatical options. Where do you both sit currently
about the eligibility stance and where do you see it
get into in the next few years.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, well, we're really clear as an organization.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
You know, there's been a lot of say, speculation and
talk about it, but through all of that we've been
really firm that it's been a big part of successive
New Zealand Rugby and the All Blacks for some time.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
It is a key sort of incentive for players to
remain here, and.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
It is something that is also important for the wider
pathways and development of the game here.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So look, it's right.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
It's an area where there's always probably going to be,
you know, a degree of scrutiny, as it is for
many areas of the game.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It's great, you know, there's passion and interest in the game.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
But for us, we've been able to for a long
period of time retain the vast majority of players we've
been wanting to retain, and then obviously in the last
little while there's been as you said, within the policy,
there's the tools and flexibility to be creative where we
need to recognize some of those long term servants that
have given so much to the game and be able
(07:53):
to give back while retaining them, you know, longer term
with the All Blacks in New Zealand rugby.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
So overall, you know, we'll always be.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Open to sort of looking at it in the future,
but at the moment we're pretty firm and supportive of it.
Speaker 10 (08:07):
Raising you've them obviously been one of your lines has
been keep an open mind. Where are you at at
the moment with the soligibility saga.
Speaker 11 (08:14):
Yeah, look, I had a first a year you know,
so I said, of have a year to look at
it and where I stand. And the first thing is,
you know my intentions for the The comment was is
it fit for purpose still? You know currently in this
model where we're sitting, you know, globally and internally, you know,
one of my jobs is to make sure that the
pathways is strong so we can keep it can do
(08:35):
a flow of quality players enjoy the game and also
want to come through and be professional rugby players and
in aspiration. So we'll talk a little bit later on
around the pathway stuff that we're doing. But look, look,
I understand how important is and now I'm probably got
more insight around the flexibility there is. There isn't the
current regulations. You know, it is fit for purpose, There
(08:59):
is a little bit of flexibility there. And I just
want to give you an example. An open mind is
someone like a Jody Barrett. You know, traditionally we've gone
to Japan to play. And when Jordi came and said
I've got an option for for for Leinster and another
an opportunity, you know, we zoomed and we talked through
all the practicalities. What would what would his season look
(09:21):
like going north? Is it going to make him a
better player, you know. And once we'd listened and you know,
had majority of the six nations off, he'd had a break,
he'd been well coached, you like, I just had to
catch up with Jack Naber when I was over there
and talked and sat down with him, and just how
impressed he was as a as a player, as a man,
how hard he worked on and off the field. That
(09:43):
were just incredibly impressed. You know, we touched base with him.
He's an on field coach to Jeordie, so he'd be
leaning on and off the field. And that's a prime
example of keeping open mind someone like himself going north. Okay, great,
we're in a position now will he'll come back as
a better player And ultimately that's what we want out
of this. And he's just one example, you know, potentially
(10:04):
more to come.
Speaker 10 (10:04):
Do you see? You see more part actually of those
sort of deals happening in the future.
Speaker 11 (10:09):
Yeah, yeah, look at what's worked, you know, look if
at the essences. You know, we're still keeping the integrity
of all our pathway programs. So a guy doesn't go
away and play with picking people from overseas. They've earned
the opportunity they've been loyal, they've done their time. They
get to go away and then come back and he'll
come back and you know he'll be a coach at
the Canes again, is there is it's a great player
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player coach as we know and other players you know
where they sit in their career. They have that opportunity
to as well because.
Speaker 10 (10:37):
You look at South Africa obviously and they can pick
whoever they want, whenever they want.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
That wouldn't work for the All Blacks.
Speaker 11 (10:44):
You don't think, well, one sort of thing I've learned
and talk through it and you look at these stats
and it suits their model. It seats their model for
them where they currently are of you know, financially, where
they sit with the current competitions in their players, so
that there's model for us. We're in great shape. You know,
we've got a great group of law or blacks and
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you know, super players that want to be all Blacks
and young kids that want to be all Blacks and
know that they're playing our country.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
To get that opportunity, I.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Mean, we've got to focus guys on what we think
is best for New Zealand rugby night when there's always
that's a beauty of the support. There's always comparisons and
analysis is the different models, but we fundamentally believe this
can work for New Zealand rugby and we are retaining
majority of players and you know, whilst we might not
have all the resource and all the money compared to
(11:35):
some markets, we're working really hard around environments, you know,
great coaching environments, great competitions, got virgin and competitions are
going to get better and better. Grade five year calendar
coming up in terms of what's possible around rugby in
this part of the world with the Lions tours, the
South Africa All Blacks concept, and we think super Rugby
is going to get better and better. So focusing really
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hard on what always keep you a little bit on
what's going on around the world, but focusing really hard
on what we're doing as well.
Speaker 9 (12:01):
You mentioned the Jaudy Bear example. Yes, another one who
you don't have access to, rich and more one a
world class ten you know, well, I think you both
you know, went up to Japan to meet with him
at the back end of last year. I don't know
the nature of those conversations, but obviously there was a
desire to bring him home early. Why did he not
come home early was as simple as couldn't reach terms
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with Tasheba financially or.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
There's a lot of speculations around that. Last year wasn't
the ELM.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
So look, I think clearly people understand there were some
conversations through last year, but ultimately, you know, Richie's made
a decision to work through to the obligations under his contract.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You know, we respect that and we're moving forward.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
As we say, we're really clear on our eligibility rules
and you know, we certainly always respect players that have
left the All Blacks and are playing off shore, and
there's always a degree of contact. You know that that happens,
but that's good coaches and good good people doing their
jobs probably and that happens a lot of level. That
happens with players that are very much passed you know,
(13:03):
their playing careers, and that that's just the nature of
the black environment and all black families. So hey, look,
you know we're clearly moving forward and got a lot
of belief and the people coming through and the protocols
were got in place.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
Scott Distill hope Richie will come back next year when
his contract finishes and push for a place in the
twenty twenty seven World cut.
Speaker 11 (13:24):
Yeah, look, all players, if you want all your best
players available, you know, that's what it takes to win
a Rugby World Cup. And you know you keep connected
with all of them, doesn't matter and where they are at.
You know, you still get message from from the old
players now and again, chicking in and making sure. You know,
Sam Kaine sat his time, but he's you know, he's
a prime example. You know he checks it and making
(13:45):
sure everything's right in the off season. But yeah, you
just want your best players.
Speaker 10 (13:49):
Saw Boden Baron and Damien McKenzie last year have that
ten jersey? How important are they in this next three
years for you as an All Blacks coach?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Critical?
Speaker 11 (13:58):
Look like I just you know b Mac, you know
what a year that he had gave him plenty of opportunity,
you know, just his ability to control the game with
his boot. You know, I think the Irish game, how
good was that? You know, the before he came on
and kicked the ball from the sidelon to England to
change the match. And then then he owned that game
against Ireland, you know, and got picked in the World
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fifteen as a ten. And so it's impact off the
bench as match management, his ability to lead the teams
to being credible. And you've got Bode who's just evergreen,
just kept going and so classy. He just got so
much time. He's a game. There's a kicking game. Been
awesome for US coaches. He's been great off field. So
both of them compliment each other really well. And because
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they can pay ten and fifteen and you know, both
have grad im packs off the bench are really really
valuable to us.
Speaker 9 (14:46):
I think d makes off contract this year. Yeah, you're
going down to the tron and offering them a race
source or something.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Keep him in the con for a minute.
Speaker 11 (14:55):
Oh look, you know he's he's a linebreaker. He's got
that special ability to do something others don't, you know,
every intention and work as hard as we possibly can.
And they a player like him, you know, he's in
that peak of his powers at twenty nine. He's he's
learnt so much, he's mature and for sure we're on them.
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Twenty five after seven Robinson and Robinson coming together with
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things rugby at that top level, including smoothing the waters
around eligibility. Scott robertson playing right into that really wanted
to have that look chased after Richie mul Wonga wants
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to see it change. No, no, no, so they can
come together as one and look forward. Rig Paul took
a listen to that interview. He is the new Zellant
held rugby writer and a couple of them. He joins
us now to take a look at what he heard.
Good evening, Grigor, Good evening, Darcy. Interesting news today. But
it looks like the two Robbos, or the Robert and
(17:38):
the Robbo. It's Mark and of course Razor Ray have
They're on the same page now around what happens with
extracting players out of overseas contracts and having them play
back here in the All Blacks. This is something that
Razor was absolutely hot on. Looks like they've mended their ways.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, it looks like it.
Speaker 12 (17:57):
I'm not buying it to be Frank, I just don't
believe that you have a coach in Razor who spent
what five six, seven years and Super Rugby looking at
player trains, trying to hold onto his players at a
crusaders level. He then had what did he have yet
about six months notice that he was going to be
the Oldlecks coach, So you know, he was appointed early.
(18:20):
He had six months building up to that where he
gave a lot of thought about what the right eligibility
model might look like, where market trends were going, you know,
what players were looking at from the contract. And he
was absolutely adamant that the current eligibility laws were not
fit for purpose. And this was in November December last
year that he was still even more certain after coaching
(18:41):
the Oblecks per year that they were not right. Now
did the Rugby Union like the fact that their coach
was publicly not aligned with their eligibility policy. Of course
they didn't like that. So I suspect that what's happened
to you is that Razor hasn't changed his mind at all.
He's still very much of the view that the eligibility
rules aren't quite right, but he has also realized that
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as the all black coach, he can't public they fight
with his employer. He needs to be publicly aligned support
their policy. He can badger them, he can advocate behind
the scenes as much as he likes. He can tell
them I don't believe it. But when they ask him
and they say, well, we need you to be publicly
aligned and tell the media that you are, then he's
going to have to do that because that is how
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you know, that's how employment works start. So we all
have to accept that your employer has a hold on
you to some degree.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, I've had that situation myself. You've got to understand.
Speaker 13 (19:35):
See.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Look, I'll agree with you because I'm my boss, but
don't tell me how to think and all behind And
that's understandable. So could you say stage managed? These guys
both put up front, both put up in a couple
of good rugby journalists for a Rugby direct to I
suppose draw a line in the sands we are aligned,
even though maybe they're not.
Speaker 12 (19:56):
Yeah, a necessary pr function because because given what Reason
has said at the end of last year, given that
the New Zealand Rugby Board has changed in its entirety
in early February, this issue would become If nothing was said,
it would continue to fester, wouldn't it. Media like you
(20:16):
and I would continue to puking pride and ask questions
about what's HRAs we're thinking now. So I think a
smart pr move by New Zealand Rugby to get Raiser
to publicly align, try and kill the issue as a
media topic, try and just put it to bed. So
as France had come in in July, they don't want
any kind of discussion around peripheral topics around eligibility, so
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that's why they've done this.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
But this is leaked to the longer this has gone on,
it's like the boy with the finger and the dike
and it's going to swallow them whole. But they also
don't want to open a Pandora's box. So it's a
very delicate balance they have. And if you think for
a second the media are going to go away, well
that's not going to happen, isn't it, Because we can
not necessarily see the future. But things change, and they
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change in a hurry, and you've got to be cognizant
of that.
Speaker 13 (21:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (21:07):
Well, look, I guess people could argue that the player
market trends haven't necessarily changed overlay dramatically on the broad
picture basis that there are there are more, there is
more money and more opportunity overseas for New Zealand's best players.
The money they can earn overseas continues to be greater
than the money they can earn here. That's never really
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changed from the first days of professionalism, but I think
it's become a little bit more nuanced than that now
because you know, Japan is the game changer in my view,
because these guys are are offering at times quite significant
amounts of money. We're talking sort of one million, two
million dollar contracts. They're building a level of credibility in
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Japan in terms of the quality of the rugby. It's
backed by massive corporations, so it's got a sustainable financial model.
Toyota are going to continue to fund the rugby team
forever because that's part of their corporate culture and their
court of conduct almost or their charter. Is what I'm
trying to say, is to punt money back into sport,
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to produce better people and to engage with the community.
So it's all viable and there's a lot of people
gravitating to Japan and the power of that in three
to four years time will be significantly more than it
is not to your point and the ability of Japanese
clubs to lure New Zealand's best players over there with
the lifestyle, with the quality of rugby and the money
(22:35):
on offer, it will be very difficult for New Zealand
to stop more and more players from going there.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
But that's one New Zealand rugby. I suppose cozying art
Worth Japanese rugby and how that actually works because it
is going to happen, but their style of rugby, and
I suppose the players when they come back the state
they're in, it's not like they've been hammered by French
Fords and anger irishmen when they're over there. It actually
sits quite nicely within the remit of New Zealand rugby.
(23:03):
This is the first hole, isn't it.
Speaker 12 (23:05):
Yeah, it does, and timing aligns as well. So that's
the other really important factor here is that the season,
the Japanese season kind of runs can currently with Super Rugby,
which means that you're not asking guys to play round
the clock the way that the South Africans currently are
because they are a Southern Hemisphere country locked into Southern
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Hemisphere International program, but they are effectively a Northern Hemisphere
nation in terms of the club competitions that they play in,
which means their players are going round and round and round.
They never get a break and they're going to blow
up at some point. Japan is different because you can
allow guys in New Zealand to go and play in
Japan the season runs de Zembra. To me, they can
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come home, they can rest and recover for a few
weeks and they're good to go, match hard and match fit,
ready to play in July. The question, and this is
really at the heart of the whole issue, is does
New Zealand rugby feel that if you let a handful
of guys go and play in Japan and keep eligible
for the All Blacks, will the Japanese system have kept
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them at a level in terms of their skills, their
sharpness the game, understanding, the readiness to develop and improve.
Will it be strong enough to do that or will
it be too much of a step down? A lot
of this is about control in that sense a see,
because New Zealand don't trust necessarily other countries to develop
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and look after their players in the same way that
New Zealand thinks it can do well.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That's why they've got to have that alignment. And as
you talk to me off air about this, they've got
coaches in Japan that do align with what New Zealand
Rugby want and can hopefully lift those levels. So like,
see you're Steve Hansen, your Robbie Deans and so on
and so forth. So they've got that connection or is
that too much?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Now?
Speaker 12 (24:55):
Look, these guys have all coached at international level, They've
all got relationships with New Zealand Rugby and the people
within New Zealand Rugby. Like Razor and Steve Hanson known
each other forever, so and Razor and Todd Blackadder have
known each other forever. He's another coach up there in Japan.
So managing these relationships, you know, having Razor if he's
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the All Blacks coach, go up to Japan, meet with
these guys, watch a few games, talk to them, you know,
get a sense of how players are tracking, trending. This
is this is what happens everywhere else in the world. Yeah,
this is what Razzie Rasmus has to do on a
permanent basis because his players are all over the place.
This is what Scotland have to do because their players
(25:37):
are all over the place, you know. So it's not
that difficult or uncommon for an international coach to be
asked to monitor international club programs to see how his
players are training and tracking, you know. So Africa are
doing that quite easily, so I don't think it would
be that difficult for New Zealand, and given the KEYWI
influence in Japan, and the quality of coaching in Japan
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is actually probably in my view, perhaps higher at some
clubs than it is at super rugby level in New Zealand.
Then the arguments about oh, well, we're worried about the quality,
We're worried about the exposure to poorer training, poorer medical staff,
or the kind of peripheral elements that go into high
performance package. My understanding is that Japan is world class
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in many of those facets, so some of these fears
are not real anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
What happens with the stretch the rubber band, if you will,
around the seventy test cap mark. That looks like that's
a standard for players when they can negotiate that time off,
if you will, with a four year contract with the Japanese,
that stretch further as have come down to sixty, they
(26:52):
have different laws different rules, maybe dealing with Japanese clubs
as opposed to overseas clubs in the Northern Hemisphere in
Europe in order to keep that control.
Speaker 12 (27:01):
Yeah, that's a good question. I mean I'd answer it
like this and say that New Zealand argues, well, let
me answer your question first. I'm not a fan of
that seventy test match scenario because quite often it leads
to special circumstances coming up because they haven't rigidly stuck
(27:21):
to that. Jordy Barrett doesn't have seventy test caps, by
the way, from memory, and he's in Ireland. Patrick Tupeloso
didn't have any when he signed and got sabbatical deal
to go to Japan. Richie Muwanga, for example, if they
could have got to him and said, hey, mat what
about you do two years in Japan. We'll call you know,
will allow you to be eligible in between seasons and
(27:43):
then eligible when you come back home, they would have
access to him right now. And you can say, well,
that's not part of their eligibility policy. But they've always
been willing to make exemptions and exceptions depending on circumstance,
which is why I don't really like about the rule
is because it ultimately feels that they will override it
on any given occasion if they feel a player is
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worth it, and that sets I feel, a really bad
precedent and a bad example, because the whole reason they
don't want, you know, guys to be eligible full time
from overseas is they're talking about the integrity of pathway.
They want to encourage people to stay. They want they
want that to be authentic. The way that they set
the whole program up. Everybody kind of knows that if you,
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you know, if you make a strong enough argument and
if circumstances fever you like there's no other number ten
around and you start saying, hey, I might disappear and
go offshore as well as a bit of leverage, they
will probably bend and buckle and give you what you want.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
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Speaker 2 (28:51):
Bring a Paul and you said on Herald Rugby scribe
there talking about the together as a unit. That's one
of Robinson and Robertson looking at player eligibility. This this
will never go away. I feel sorry for new Zell
and Rugby in the fact that they've got to be
elastic in their thinking, otherwise they will lose some of
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their top players. But if there was a hard and fast,
black and white rule, maybe it'll just make it easier
all around. Won't go away, won't change. I do like
the way that Gregor was leaning toward. Will maybe we
just become Japanese rugby becomes New Zealand rugby in a
roundabout kind of way. Yes, they've got stability, they've got
(29:36):
the money, they appear to have the facilities. Maybe if
you want to do it, do it that way, but
have a hard and fast rule or just go on
a case by case basis your thoughts on one hundred
eighty ten eighty A Paddy High.
Speaker 13 (29:49):
Say, mate, I'm a tell a Taranaki voy of Marke Robinton,
and I think they should let the gates open.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Completely completely open, I completely open.
Speaker 13 (30:12):
Yeah, and don't put any restrictions on players who want
to go and make more money. If you want to
come back and you are able and you get picked
for the team, that's it.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
So no returns. But they can't. Sorry, I just I
just lost what you were saying there, Patty. You're hard
and fast as what.
Speaker 13 (30:41):
To leave the gates open if they want to go
over and make some money for their family or whatever
and future leave the selectors to select and pick the team.
(31:02):
It's not so much loyalty, it's about ability grunted.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But I suppose what they're worried about padding thanks for
your callers, that it will erode the strength of New
Zealand and all black rugby people won't stay, they won't
support the game from that grassroots and that pathway level,
which is what they want for the continued well being
and strength. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. This is going
(31:31):
to go on forever. This conversation and as it should too,
likes a very very important to New Zealand rugby. I
think they've got to go hard and fast on this
and say, look, if you want to go by all
means go because whenever there's a space at the top
where there's a gap, it will be filled by the
next guy's coming through. And that's what you need. And
(31:53):
a couple of guys at the top of the tree
deciding when they're coming and going. I don't think that's
healthy for.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Zella and rugby.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
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that podcast. Back to the phones we go, Dan. Good
evening to you, sir, Hello.
Speaker 15 (32:47):
Can you.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
All good?
Speaker 15 (32:50):
Good one.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (32:51):
I was just talking about just thinking about rugby eligibility
for going overseas and chasing the dollars. I'm not very
well sort of skilled or knowledgeable with administration of rugby,
but I do enjoy watching the All Blacks and pretty
proud to watch them as well. I'm just wondering whether
(33:12):
I'm having like a fifty test sort of eligibility. I
guess once you do fifty tests, you're then able to
go over to Japan or France and chase the big
dollars and also be eligible for the All Blacks. And
whether something like that might work. It would give the
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players a focus to try and reach fifty tests. It
would also protect the domestic game, because you know a
lot of the players will be milling around to try
and get into the All Blacks and get their fifty
tests up. Once you get to fifty tests, you know
you can then go overseas and play, but also still
be eligible for the All Blacks. Just an idea at.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
The moment, they've got a situation that's I don't believe
carved in stone anywhere, but the agents and the players
are aware the cutoff is around about seventy tests, and
once you get to seventy tests, have you sign a
long term contract. Things that are they'll let you go away,
They'll let you disappear and go and play for a while.
(34:18):
We're going to have a holiday and a couple of
teen to lie down and then come back again. So
that's the vague line that they're dealing with at the moment.
I suppose a lot of us like to see that
more concrete, but they've got to be able to be
elastic with their concerns otherwise they could lose some good players, right.
Speaker 13 (34:39):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 15 (34:39):
And I think once you do fifty tests, you know it,
then become very good, very skilled. I mean a lot
of players now are getting to a well, I shouldn't
say a lot, but a few are getting to one
hundred tests, and I think you know the group that
are in between that fifty to one hundred tests, you know,
they are the leaders of the group. They are the
ones that are very skilled. The are the ones that
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also pass on a lot of knowledge to the to
the junior players. If you like coming true, and it's
only fair that they do go away and earn some
big dollars for their skill set and giving them one
hundred percent eligibility to come back and trial for the
all blacks, I think it's really acceptable.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I think though it's at their risk. This is the
main thing. You go away and do that. We are
not going to necessarily pick you. You leave under your
own steam. And if thing's going well and you're playing
good and the coach wants to look at you, fantastic
if not, no guarantees, which means the next level coming through.
Know that these guys aren't going to hold a mortgage
(35:40):
on their positions just because they've played fifty sixty test matches.
You can't give them too much strength in that position
because they're coming to the end of their careers right.
Speaker 15 (35:50):
Well, the end of their careers are around one hundred
tests now some of them and so you know, if
you look after your body, and I mean a lot
of them are, then you know the ability to go
off and play for France and all the French teams
and play for the Japanese but then come back and
also you know, get into an all Black trial and
get into the All Blacks. I think it gives people
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a real or gives players a real goal to get
that fifty you know, half a century of tests, and
then there's the money, and so a lot of players
will be really hungry to get to fifty because after
fifty is the golden lining if.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You like, there's the thing though, but you don't want
to get to and Dan, thanks for your call. We've
got Ronkey joining it shortly. You don't want a situation
where they're all running for a particular number and then
when they get their number, I can do it. I
want now they No one can win in this. It's
really difficult. I suppose the most important thing he said
on rugby is looking after the structure beneath, so players
know or young players coming through that there is a
(36:47):
future is here in New Zealand and we don't lose
all of our best players overseas checking a rig though
not sure. It's eleven and a half away from eight.
Wrong Key batting coach out of the black Caps to
join us next.
Speaker 14 (37:05):
We never.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Were never se fifty one.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Sports talk on news talks. There would be quite the
display into needing for the black Caps. They can take
twenty eighth between them and Pakistan, comfortable enough victory in
the end, and at the start, well, it could have
been an absolute slaughter. Ronkey, the batting coach joins us. Now,
what did you say to those guys to start off
with Luke? Because there was a stunner of an opener?
(37:37):
What have they hit? Ten sixers and four fours and
a handful of overs.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I didn't have to say anything. Actually, those guys are
naturally aggressive anyway, so obviously the way they did all yeah,
all those six especially after a maiden to start, I
don't think anyone was quite expecting it to go the
way it did, I guess with all those sixes. But
the guys played beautifully.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
But they had the freedom to do that. They were
given that on presuming because it was a short game
to only fifteen overs you've got to make hay right
suns shining.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Exactly even if the sun's not shining. So we're definitely yeah.
I think guys have got that freedom to play their
style of cricket and at the moment it's working beautifully.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Is this just a theory that you're running right the
way through the whole series because you've got some of
your top men are not there, they're playing overseas. You've
got not the next tier because they'd be disrespectful to
one of these players who are top tier players. But
I think given an opportunity to say, look, make it count,
shows what you've got.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
It's actually just making sure they go out and be themselves.
That's the biggest thing. I think. Sometimes any player sort
of gets an opportunity and they want to do more
than they really need to, and and that can sometimes
make a little bit harder on them on themselves to
sort of put performances on the board. So as long
as we can keep giving the same message about each
player's picked for a reason and that sort of stuff,
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and they can go out and play their style of
credit because that's what gets them to this stage and
gets them doing what they do in their careers. It's
making sure they believe that and remember that as much
as possible and go out there. Yeah, and let's just
let things unfold.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
You get to the end of four overs, you're fifty
without loss. Conversations change around what you want to achieve
or presuming what you're saying. Nah, just carry on.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
You guys are going fine exactly, that's the thing, and
the other ones out there in the middle doing it.
So it's like, well, there's no need to send out
a message, and so I guess muddle up people's minds
because then all of a sudden they might think something
different or or it might just things have become unclear.
So it's like, well, just let them do them and
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the other ones in the action so they know what
they're up to.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
So all those runs you win by five wickets eleven
balls remaining. Was that tighter than you'd like?
Speaker 4 (39:50):
No, not at all. That's the game of creckit. You
expect if you're going to n T twenty credit, you
expect the opposition to have some good periods as well,
and they're allowed to take some wickets and do their thing.
But again, it was still it was a comfortable game
for the guys that had an awesome job with the
ball as well, to keep taking wickets and restrict Pakistan
and then for our guys to go out and back
the way they did to jip runs off. It's always
(40:12):
what we're after.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Next, what changes for the next three sorry five T
twenty So I'm presuming using this as an opportunity to
rotate around the guys have a crack and we've see
much change ahead of T twenty number three.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I think a
lot of the stuff is more around sort of bowlers
and loads and just checking to see how they're traveling
after I guess a busy sort of champions trophy stent
and then coming back home pretty quickly into another series.
So are we making sure that that the guys are
still ticking the way they need to tick and and
getting through the overs that need to be able to
(40:49):
get through. And from a batting point of view, it's
just the guys keep ticking along. They're doing a great job,
so just keep backing with what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
You've broken anyone? Have you leake Wrongkey runs Aoka?
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Well, yeah, apart from chap he heard his finger when
he was warming up. But out side of that, it's
so he's still got got out there and did his thing,
but everyone else has been going well.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Cunning playing. I love that from New Zealand. Cricket's always
the same. Let's get some subcontinental players over and sticking
down a christ hits and then when it's freezing cold
and see how they come, I mean, come on really well.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
To be fair that the days leading into this game
it's been nice and warm down here. Obviously christ Hitch
yesterday was cooking so but yeah, unfortunately today it's obviously
it was pretty bloom and cold and wet, so not
the greatest thing. But it's up to Auckland and hopefully
we'll get some good weather up there.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah I'm talking and another double header. Let's hopefully that
the White Ferns can actually get through an entire game.
That enjoy that very much. Hey, good on your leet ronkey,
thanks to make yourself available. I'll look after yourself. Go
well and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Awesome, thanks having me, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
It is seven fifty six. This is Sports Talk on
News Talk z B. There is Pakistan White by New
Zealand one hundred and thirty fives all they scored up
fifteen overs and Zeeland got that where what eleven balls
to go five wickets in hand? Reasonably comfortable on Friday
(42:12):
you say it on Pakistan and yet again that that's
the third T twenty. It's in Auckland and the circus
goes to Mountain Moganniui Sunday the twenty third of March,
and then we've got the fifty to twenty I which
is in Wellington. Lots coming out to watching cricket autumn, right.
Speaker 16 (42:29):
So we're just hoping for good weather at Awkward Darcy.
That's what we're counting on here is it yes, excellent,
but it is go on, It's cricket. It's a drop breaker,
that's how it works. It's been raining the last two
days and s Middle Search thanks for stepping in and
producing for Andy duff on Darson water Grave, wishing you farewell.
Catch you tomorrow from seven
Speaker 1 (42:54):
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