June 25, 2024 • 37 mins
Dylan Cleaver & Paul Ford join Jason Hoyte for another episode of NZ's #1 cricket pod the BYC!
After the early exit from the T20 World Cup the fellas predict who will still be around for the Black Caps at the next T20 World Cup (0:00), then look ahead to the Semi Finals between Afghanistan & South Africa and England & India (15:15) before finally getting to correspondence from Mark T in the Windies (30:18).
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Live from the Export Beer Garden Studios. You're listening to
the b YC where it's semi final time at the
T twenty World Cup. And while New Zealand fans will
still have a sour taste in the mouth, it's a
layed a little by our brothers across the ditch also
exiting early, and the magnificent alf Ghani's making it through
with a very real chance of making the finals.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
So let's dig into it. Fowlers, how are you Dylan?
A long time?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
See?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Actually, yeah, it feels like a while, doesn't it. Yes,
it's lovely to have you back on deck. Yeah, I'm
pretty well. Actually I'm enjoying the Tea twenty World Cup
without there being that each of the seat kind of
thing you get with New Zealand to play.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Sure. Sure, Paul Ford, how are you going?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm good mate. Look, I'm a cricket purestic carefty Zealands
and it or not, you know, I just sit around
watching cricket all day, every day, old videos. It's just
nice to have some fresh content.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
She quite pleasant in a way because it does remove
that element for you when your team's out of the competition.
You sort of have a different perspective on watching it.
No panic attacks, no panic attacks or anything like that.
Yourself drinking coffee and a living at night.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Oh I still do that anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
But you know, like that Afghanistan Australian match, that was
a fantastic match.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I was, I was loving it, loving it.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Now, let's look at this New Zealand campaign, fellas and
where we're at with it.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Dylan Kleaver.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, I guess we've had a bit of a time
to reflect and probably the public saw the worst of
Paul and myself as we dissected it straight after the game.
Emotions were running high. Sure, look kind of when you
see Afghanistan roll Australia, maybe put that New Zealand performance
into some sort of perspective. But I still I don't
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think the biggest problem was our performance against Afghanistan, as
Richard as it was. I don't think the major problem
was Afghanistan beating us. It was that we did not
New Zealand did not give themselves the best chance yes
performing well in that game. I think that is the
critical issue that can't get lost, even even despite you know,
the Taliban advancing all the way to the semi finals.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah. Yeah, well there is that really you know, difficult
element of it when you're sort of cheering them on.
I love the Afghanistan passion though. I love their commitment
to what they're doing. It's it's fantastic, you know, Paul
Forward and I've been reading a fair amount too, I mean,
Gary Steeds under a lot of pressure, a lot of
people just saying enough's enough. We've been on a downward
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slide now for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Do we need changes?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, Look, I don't think it's going to happen. I
mean I think his wins and his successes far out
see the doom and gloom that this campaign has brought about.
You know, the Afghanistan game aside, does feel like he
would be the scapegoat for the preparation side of things,
and you get the feeling that because he hasn't actually
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fully owned that that maybe it was actually out of
his hands. He tried his best, him and the him
and the administration tried their best to get everyone together
and it was actually impossible. You know. I just don't
think that he's the kind of guy that's going to
dig in if he thinks that he's doing a shit job.
So look, I can I can cope with that. And
you know, as I think Dylan and I talked about
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last week, you know the other option is to split
the coaching arrangements. Well, it's just really difficult to do
that given the way our schedule works with the hotch
Potch Medley millunge of t twenties. Then we'll have some
tests and then we'll have some one days and it
would just you suspect that it's actually would actually make
things really really difficult to be chopping and changing between coaches.
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So look, I'm not sure that there will be changes
at on the coaching side of things. I don't think
his contract will be torn up early. And if I
think about the tournament, it's actually the game, you know,
if get us down on a tear picians are perfect
for them. They are playing some fantastic cricket, gritty cricket,
and their rock stars are being rock stars and some
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of their second tier players are having blinders in this tournament,
which is exactly kind of what you want for me.
The game against the West Indies was that was the
worst one. We were warmed up for that one. We
were on top and we just couldn't get it done.
That one was even more frustrating given the context of
what we've seen from Afghanistan.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Since can I put something to you, Jason, Yes, on
this subject, I think. I mean, I'm sure Paul is right,
they're not about to make a change. But when you
witness something gradually declining correct over a period of time now,
and I think we're pretty safe in saying that. Right,
we had Bangladesh betting us in a Test match at home.
I think we've had the Bangers beening us at a
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one day or at home. We have had a pretty
limp performance against Australia, a very limp performing the Marquie
Test series. Our asses were saved by the most incredible
Test ever against England at the Reserve, but up until
the third day of that Test would been ranswered in
that series, We've now had this poor campaign. If you're
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actually witnessing in slow motion to decline, is it irresponsible
not to make changes?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well, that was the point I was about to make
before you asked me that question, Dylan, which was you know,
Paul talking about this tournament when we can't hold the
coaches responsible for that, you know, And I wasn't thinking
when I raised that question. Just of this tournament. I've
been thinking about the run that we've been having that
Australian series. Yeah, we gave them a bit of a
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fright in the second Test, but that pissed me off.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
That series. It was our.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Premiere sort of moment of the season and we fluffed
it badly, I thought, and played pretty buddy poorly. And
you know, it's a weird conglomeration and mixture of players
coming to the end of their tenure anyway, mixed with
you know, it's hard to sort of go how much
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the coach is responsible for things that are going wrong.
But it does feel like we need a freshen up,
a reset, and we need to take some risks and
do things a bit differently, because you know, Steed's always
been praised for steady as she goes, I guess, and
that's been has sort of go to and I see
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the value in that, but it just feels like steady
as she.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Goes isn't working anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We need to do something a bit different in outside
the box.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I
think Paul is going to be right. But I don't
think he should be right, And I think you actually
hit the nail on the head there, Jace, I really do. Hey.
Can we look specifically just at the T twenty game, yes,
projector head to twenty twenty six where the tournament will
be in India and Sri Lanka. And I just want
to go through the current squad as it stands now
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and get a yay or nay from both of you
where they will still feature in twenty six. And obviously
we sat with the big dog Cain Williamson, who had
some news obviously last week. Yeah, your name ya.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
No, he won't be there. I want him to be there,
but he won't.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Be Yeah, I'm going ay as well. I don't think
I think he will actually pull the plug on T
twenty eyes. So there's two one there for Allen.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, fair enough, Nate Ooh, well we talked about a
sixty percent record, Pholis.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, it's not good enough. It's true.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I think you'll be there. I think they've I think
they've invested in him, and I reckon he'll come good.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yeah. This is a real baby in the bathwater one
for me. I think he needs some big improvements. But
I've got a question out there. I'm going to sit
on the fence there Trent Bolt. Obviously he's indicated nay himself,
So yes.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I was going to say nay. Anyway, two more years
down the track.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
We don't have to linger on that one. Another one
of Paul Spedish players here, Michael brace Will, so perhaps
we'll go to him first this time.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I think he has gone how old he? He's thirty
three now, I think so, Yeah, he'll be thirty five.
I don't think so. I think you'll be gone nay.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, nay for me, that's a clean sweep of knais
Mark Chapman, Nay, he.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Looks about twelve. But how old actually is he?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think he's about the mid twenties, isn't he?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
No? I think late. I think he's thirty is he?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
He might have to get our producer who's standing by it,
to look that up. While we chat about him. I'm
going to go nay with Mark Chapman because I'm just
not sure that when the lights shine brightest he's quite
up to it. So I'm going to say nay.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I reckon he'll be in the squad. He's twenty ninety
tens thirty in late July, So he's twenty nine point nine,
so one of our few players under thirty actually, but
by a.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Whisker, okay dev dev con retired oh fourteen.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Twenties, Chuck, Yay.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I'm going to say yay, I think he should play.
I do not think he should WI could keep as
a made abundantly clear, but I think he should be
the Kane Williamson role going forward to the next couple
of years. You just can't have two of them, that's
my point. But I think he can still be the
innings anchor or the guy that you build an innings around.
Interesting one here, Lacky Ferguson.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, it's tough for you with it quick, isn't it,
because that's another two years.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Down the track and he's got no contract.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He's got no contract, he's been priming to injury and
he's thirty three.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Nay.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Oh, I'm actually going to go yay here because I
think he is going to be I think he'll play
be in demand around the world, and I think you'll
have less cricket, the more high value cricket. So I'm
going to say yay.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, I think he'll be in a war with Ben Sears,
and I think he'll still.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Be around Matt Henry. Yeah, it's a hard note for me.
I just think he should concentrate on tests and one.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Day is he feels like a red ball player to me? Yeah?
Or a long long form Yeah, that's a better way
of putting it DC. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But then, but we viewed him for so long as
a white ball specialist.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Ode he is brilliant. O, he's coming to his own
and test cricket. I just wouldn't bother now at thirty
something years old, trying to turn him into a T
twenty five. It's name for me, Darryl, Darryl mitch Son
of them, mitch Yay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good
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to get.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Some which is weird, right because he's he's also thirty three.
But it feels like I think he's been official and
our thinking because he hasn't been around for that long. Yeah,
he's a late you know, he's the he's the archetypal
late bloomer. And so it's not like we feel like
he's sort of done his dash because his dash came
quite late. So yeah, it's an interesting one.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Isn't it ignored? Does it feel like his skill set
is not in keeping with the modern game, I think so.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, Jimmy Niche.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Look, I'm a big fan of Jimmyish but in two
years down the track.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Nay, yeah, I'm exactly an alignment with your thinking there, Paul.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
M Yeah, Look, what's he going to be? He is
thirty four this year, so he'll be thirty six. I
just don't think he'd be bothered.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I'm sure he might be available, but I just don't think.
I think he will have faded out or turned completely
and utterly into a frenchise cricketer, which he must be
about ninety nine percent of at the moment, So he'll
be gone. Ski's i'd suggest.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
GP Glenn Phillips yep, yep, Yeah, he's a lock. Yeah,
and I suspect we're going to have another unanimous lock
here Retchen Revenger.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I yeah, yeah, I'll probably even put him in the
team to actually play the games as well.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
That would be get carried away here, paulow mate.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Maybe steps Paul Jesus Mitchell Santner, who's older than he
looks as well.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah he's thirty two.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, I reckon, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, probably the captain perhaps, And it might be his
swan song. Actually that tournament unless they're going to hang
on for the twenty twenty eight World Cup out this
way in Australia, in New.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Zealand, capin Wadgo is Sodi yep, nate for me. I
think he might have moved on from him a little
bit unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, I think that's right. I think it'll be an Eddie,
a shock World or something like someone of.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
That Elk Yeah, no, fair point. Ch Actually yeah, I'll
change my mind on that one.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And Tim Sowby, who's an interesting one to finish off with.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Nay, no, no, no, not two more years. I love
the guy, don't get me wrong. He's a committed cricketer
and he's in good health and he's flat.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But yeah, two years.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Thirty seven running a pretty much a James Anderson vibe.
I think that he'll be I think that he'll pull
up starts before, particularly when you look where that World
Cup is. I think it's India, isn't it. DC.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's got a very good record there in white ball cricket.
I actually reckon this might surprise us. As Jason mentioned,
he's in very good nick, very fit. It's not as
if he's pushing the envelope in terms of his pace. True,
so here we still around that one twenty five to
one thirty two. He The thing about Tim is that
for all the Knox he gets, all he wants to
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do is play cricket for his country.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yes, so, don't get me wrong, I'll take him if
he's available. I'm just I just didn't think that he
would be. Yeah, I'm saying he's available. I'm picking him.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah, same, I think he will be.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Actually yeah, well there you go. Fascinating stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
It's interesting, isn't it. I mean quite a few of
the teams. I mean, I guess we're running a bit
of a not quite a dad's army. What's one below that?
Sort of an uncle's army is it? I don't know whatever.
England are running a dad's army and it's kind of
worked for them in this tournament. I think they'll be
happy with the semifinals. Australia they've got no one under
thirty I think except Tim David in their top t
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twenty team for this tournament, so they've taken the punt
and it's just interesting seeing teams with some of the younger,
more mercurial cricketers coming through have gone on to do
well in this tournament.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, and surely too.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You know, we've got to discover more talent in this
country over the next two years.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
T twenty is firmly entrenched in the cricket psyche, you know,
and there's players out there that you know, in club
cricket and so forth, that that's what their focus is.
T twenty. You've got to believe that there's got to
be some talent coming through, surely, Yeah, because if you're
holding on for two more years with some of these players,
you really do have to start asking some questions.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Yeah, well we had more than half naisire, so yes,
I mean we due a refresh. We do it due
a different way of looking at the game, a more
power based game. So I guess that's what we want
to see in the poor old super smashin.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And the interesting thing is that all of these either
are going to have to be playing shitloads of T twenty,
aren't they, because that's where the world's going to go.
So we're not going to die wondering. I don't think
many of them are going to be able to make
the choice light cable in sort of actually, you know what,
I might not I might not play that. They're all
going to be playing it to their crust.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Fantastic stuff fellers.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Well, let's take a quick break and be back with
some discussion on these T twenty semi finals.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So the semis as that whether I was going to
say don and dust, of course they're not done in
dust it, but it's settled who's playing who. Let's start
off Afghanistan and South Africa. God, sorry, I had a
brain fade there. I was just having a little look
before at the wind probability there Dylan Cleaver, and I
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saw that they had the South Africans at seventy five
percent win probability. Geez, I'd have a little punt on
the Afghanistan side. They're passionate, they're pumped up, they've got
a skill set. Now it is the bowl of Nevene
or Nevenevi Nevene.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, yeah, how good is he? I was watching him
the other day going thinking to myself.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Jeesus, like Boomra. He's got such a similar style to Boomra.
And then they did a slow side by side of
Boomra and leven It was identical.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
He's a phenomenal player.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, they've been the darlings of the tournament so to speak.
I think seventy five is a bit high. Actually they're
playing it. Look at the Brie Lara Academy in Trinidad,
which is I been pretty helpful to spinners, as the
West Indies showed when we decided to go on with
a very seam heavy attack against against them. I can
see Afghanistan tipping them up and you, I guess you've
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got a factor in it. Also that South Africa not
noted for coming to the party in the semi final
stages of world tournaments.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And they've kind of won ugly too though, haven't they
South Africa? They have won ugly in some of their matches.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
They have had two in fairness to them because they
played in some pretty rich conditions in New York and
so I wouldn't read two much into that. I mean
Quentin to car Adam Markram class and heinrich class. And
they have got good players. They have eleven better cricketers
than Afghanistan. But Afghanistan are very top heavy. They rely
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big time on that opening partnership and that bowling attack.
And it's T twenty they could win. I would put
it at sixty three thirty seven.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Very specific bear Dylan, Yeah, that that Afghanistan opening partnership,
was it three Hundi's in this tournament opening partnerships.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, Goerbez and Zardar. And they are sensational and not
just slogging either, you know, playing genuine cricket shots along
the ground. Quite comfortable slogging as well, but certainly more
than one dimension on show. Yeah, as you say, Dylan,
they are South Africans are entering the choke zone. It's
been a long wait for them to be in in
a major final. And it's it's cool that, I actually
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reckon it's cool that there's a couple of kind of
unfashionable teams that are in the semi, which means we're
going to have someone interesting in the final. I think, yeah,
I the question really is is this a different South
African team? I mean they've beaten Bandlesh I think by
what was it three or four runs, They've beaten Nepal
by one. They've squeaked past England, They've got past the
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West Indies, which is a bloody goodwin beating knocking the
home team out.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I play well that game too.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
They did yep and smart too right they played. They're
also prepared to tweak their lineup if they see it's
been friendly. I think Aiden markrom Bold the first four
overs right through the power play, and you know they've
got good spin bowlers, sensational Seamas Ribada obviously, Nautchia Jensen.
I mean they are a really really dangerous team and look,
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I for the sake of the Taliban, I really hope
so they could get past them, to be honest, and
I think it would be cool for cricket to have
a team like that get through, even though I really
hate them because maybe part of the reason they're good
at TWA twenty is because they didn't send their best
players out here for the test series.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, fair point England India. You'd have to favor the
Indian side, wouldn't you, Dylan Cleaver? But you know, T
twenty toss of a coin.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
It's a bit of a Hobson's choice this one.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
For me.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I think India a bit of team. They're going to Guiana,
which has a massive Indian population. Quadron, it'll feel like
a home game. I suspect for India. It feel very
hostile for England. Yeah, if it's stranger things have happened.
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This is a decent England team and Phil Salt could
get away down Johnny Bestow could get away and suddenly
a game slipped on its head. But I would be
surprised if India didn't reach fun didn't prevail.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, it'll feel like a home game, Dylan, because it
is a home game for India, because they've known that
if they make the sentience, they're going to be playing
at that venue at that day, at that time, on
that pitch against whoever the hell they play. Because that's
just part of the ridiculous formatting of this tournament. I
think that it is a bit unfair that they've had
that cheeky little advantage, but that's cricket, right.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, so I guess the consensus is India South Africa final.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, I'd look forward to that, and actually, can I
just get pulled to elaborate on that point before because
I have correspondence to the Bounce my subsequent newsletter on
the subject as well, about why we don't fully embrace
this what should be this amazing underdog story in Afghanistan.
I mean, they're not the only country that plays for
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a pretty dodgy regime. So what is it in particular
about the Afghanistan regime that should give us pause for thought?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, look, I think political here fellows.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Well, I think it's an interesting one because it's it's
a real dichotomy, isn't it. Between this wonderful fairy tale
this team that's come out of Division five and you
see the list of the player of the teams that
they've beaten over the last ten years, and it is
an extraordinary smagas board of countries from all around the
world if they've come up through the grades and then
into the World Cup semi finals this time around. But
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there is this, I guess it's two things. One is
the very nature of the Taliban. So when couple fell
to the Taliban in twenty twenty one, basically they just
said no more woman playing sports, no more woman going
to the gym, cove your heir, cove your skin, no
more going to school, you can't go to the park,
all of that kind of stuff. So I'm sure that's
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just the sort of the regulatory layer of that. The
enforcement of that, I'm sure is pretty grim. So there's
that that just the very nature of that prejudice against women.
Then you've got the hypocrisy. I think that's followed on
from it. So for example, you've had Cricket Australia go,
we are not going to go to Afghanistan and two
there because we have concerns about the regime that's in
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place over there. And so you know, it's sort of
weird because they were going to play in the United
Arab Emirates, they weren't going to be sort of playing
in caball. But basically you've got this thing where where
it's convenient, where you maybe need to make win a
game to get through to the Cricket World Cup semi finals,
you'll be happy to play the game, but you're actually
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not prepared to kind of go in and play the
games when the games are part of the schedule. So
there's this weird there's this weird hypocrisy. And also you've
got the Taliban coming out kind of saying, you know,
we just think you should be really fair to all
of the countries and come and play, come and play
with us.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Look, I think it's it's a really complicated subject, but
I think it would be doing a disservice not to
acknowledge that there is some complexity around this particular fairy tale.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah, and I think the woman thing is the big thing, right,
you are meant to The International Cricket Council dictates that
you should have a woman's program, and they clearly cannot
have a woman's program under the under the Taliban. But
I do where I do sympathize as the players themselves
have been getting a little bit of grief but not
speaking out against it, against the regime. And all I
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would say to that is walk a mile in their shoes,
and you know, they have family. Even though they themselves
might not be living in Cable or Kandergar or cost
or wherever it is at the moment, they have family
over there. I would not be speaking out too loudly
against a regime that has proven in the past to
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be fairly murderous. Yeah, and just in case anyone from
the Taliban is listening, that was Paul Fordy just said that.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Not even true. It's not even true. The other thing
that we should talk about briefly is and I wouldn't.
Just to be clear, I am not really following them.
This is not a segway from the Teleban discussion, but
there was some pretty shoddy behavior in that semi final
against Bangladesh.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Told me through that what was going on there be
through this because I didn't watch the game, I'll.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Leave a Florida Paul, but I was very funny.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, so you had the Afghanistan coach Jonathan trot Yes,
so sorry. Yeah, so they're banning. They get ahead on
the Duckworth Lewis stern thing by two runs. Jonathan Trott,
the coach, then is sort of waving at the team.
He was very involved towards through this match, lots of
field settings and all sorts, and he was sort of
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waving his hands down and sort of saying slow it down,
slow it down, slow it down, obviously noting that they
were two runs ahead on the Duckworth Lewis as the
rain came in, so this would be quite a convenient
juncture for us to stop. Now. I think it was
misinterpreted by the first slip, who absolutely fell down like
he'd been shot, and it was sort of, I think,
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attributed back to the coach that he had told the
slips to do that, and of course he actually hadn't.
He was just sort of saying slow it down, and
all sorts of chaos and then you could see that
the band dish batsmen were like, this is not very good.
Commentators were very damning, and even Rashi Cant, who was
bowling at the time, was kind of like, what are
we doing? I did see it. I did see Later
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on it got described as oh, yeah, he just had
a bit of cramp, which is obviously just absolute horseship.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Us didn't know.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Hell when he came on to bowl off his full
run up too not long after that. Yes, and and.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
The celebratory charge Gilbertan it was absolutely at the front
of the pack, just tearing his way out of the
out of the dugout, you know, like absolutely totally involved. Yeah,
so one of the dodgiest left eye injuries. I saw
Adam Zamper describe it as a pulled ham rainstring, I
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think is what he called it. Was it a rainstring?
I saw rain string? Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Well, one thing you got to say about the Afghanistan side,
though they're very entertaining to watch, you know, the celebrations
and you know they were into it and that you
know the fun part of watching them. You know, it
is a complicated story and it's always difficult when these
politics involved too.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But they are quite amusing to watch.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, the game was actually hinky and more ways than
one too, because Bangladesh seemed to pull out very quickly
from an opportunity to win by a big enough margin
to qualify themselves out of that group. I mean, it's
not like they were chasing a big target. And then
after about nine overs they said have three point one
overs left to get to the target, and Marmadulla came
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out and started blocking everything.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
It was yeah, basic one hundred and sixteen. I've quite
an extraordinary picture of this thing. So I was heading
from up the city after going up for Seinfelder. Let's
not talk about that. That's a whole gaza conversation. And
my taxi driver was Afghani, and I noticed that when
we were stopped at the lights, he was clicking in
and putting the stream on the video stream on, but
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obviously thought that it was a bit dodgy to do
it wile he was driving. I noticed that and I said,
just put it on, mates. He put it on, turned
the volume up full blowing, and as we drove out
to the to the airport to fly home. Yeah, we
watched the last five overs together in the taxi and
He was absolutely pumped up. So when we got to
the ukle airport, he set me off with about five
hundred toots no ak forty seven shots. But I imagined
that if he had one, he would have been raining
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bullets upon me as well, which, yeah, it's quite quite sensational,
really amazing.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Did you get a discounter or was it prepaid?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Uber?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I gave him a tip. I thought I'd give him
a tip because I thought, yeah, he made that experience
of that taxi right, absolutely sensational.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Shit.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
He was into it.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So some big names of course Big Country is not
making it through New Zealand. Of course Parkstown, Westerndies. Australia,
Mitch Marsh under a bit of pressure.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah, well I guess any Australian captain, it doesn't bring.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Home if you lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
He bettered really poorly in that tournament too, and he
didn't get runs and know their critical match, he was
caught sensation. They had to India and it looked like
him and Trevor's head were setting them up to chase
down two hundred odd and then he got caught sensationally
on the boundary by Aksha or AKX Patel not quite
sure how you say that first name. And it may
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have been a little bit of a mistake because the
Indian fielding coach or coach was out there chatting to
Aha and he didn't turn around till quite late. And
I suspect if he had turned around and walked in
with the bowler when he should have started, he would
have been too far in and would have gone over
his head. So it was really quite.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Answer on their side.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
It was a miracle one hand to catch above his head.
But yeah, Mitchell Marsha, I mean, I don't know what
do you make of him as a skipper pool.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
He seems pretty loose and relaxed to me. It doesn't
seem to get too wound up.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I think that's kind of the problem. Jase, Yeah, I
think you know. The runs are one thing. I think
you know a couple of scores. He dropped the center
of a catch, absolute sort of a catch. He didn't
bowl himself. And lots of the Instagram stories and reels
and posts and so on from the Australian team in
and around this tournament have been around.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I think you guys want of Adam Zampra and Matthew
Wade out fishing. I think it was, wasn't it in
the little speedos, which neither of you seem to appreciate.
But my point is quite a relp. You said that
it made you feel a bit sick, relaxed, kind of
a vibe around this team, and I think they were
probably trying something different in the wake of the high
pressure stakes of the IPL. And yeah, I guess Mitchell
marsh is going to be the guy that the knives
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are going to be out for because it's kind of like, oh,
you guys were a bit too casual and look where
that got us. What actually happened was they had a
really shitty day against Afghanistan and that just stuffed them
up for the whole tournament. That's how tournament's like, that's work,
doesn't it. Yeah, one game, crappy game and you're gone.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yes, finally, Davy dum dumb, finally finally.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Isn't there something quite delicious about the thought that his
international career effectively ended with him watching a television praying
for Bengladesh to beat Afghanistan. I mean, it's hard not answered,
it's hardy waving your back to have packed the mcg
as you leave the ground for the last time, is
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it yes, very much so.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
About to a scream a catch to against Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Hey, now we're going to take a little break again
and be back with some of your correspondents.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
We've got some correspondence here from Mark t and the
Windy's and he writes, Fellows, I know you guys have
consigned this World Cup to the dust spin of history,
so I wasn't going to send another update. However, I
got in from the Afghanistan versus Australia game, where there
was a sizeable contingent of kiwis who had anticipated us
making the quarter finals and playing in Saint Vincent.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
This game was like redemption.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
We weren't as ratched as we thought and Afghanistan deserved
to be there.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
What an atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
The drums were mental and I was still dancing away
well after the game was over. The point of this
email is to say there will be some happy traveling
fans tonight, and I'm one of them.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
What a blast.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
If you do a wrap up of the world then
this game should be singled out for its restorative effect
on our bruised and battered cricketing souls well for us
traveling fans anyway, not sure anyone else will have noticed.
Thanks for reading out my first email. I love Cain
and I think he's the best equal ploywer we've ever had,
not least because we won a trip to Lords with
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the team in twenty fifteen and Cain was particularly nice
to my boy Moss Cheers.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Thank you for keeping us up to date with your travels,
Mark Turner, It's been a pleasure to read.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Them, but right now it's time for Paul Ford's cricket
Violence Corner.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Paul Ford's cricket Violence Corner.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Police have descended on a cricket field at a club
in Hampshire to evict travelers who allegedly broke onto the
land and drove around in circles in the middle of
the night. The travelers were removed from the cricket field
at Petersfield Cricket Club, which is said to have been
severely damaged by their intrusion. Photos posted by the club
online show the field blighted with deep circular tire marks
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cutting into the grass. Club captain Chris Russell said last
night we had some unexpected visitors on our CCTVV two
four x four forward rangers. We're doing donuts on our field.
We're a volunteer club with two hundred members. We have
lots and lots of volunteer hours to put everything back together.
It's really disappointing that there's this mindless damage. So b
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YC listeners, if you have any information about this, please
do get in touch with the Hampshire Constabulary.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Great suff mate, and to finish us off with this podcast,
it's a pull Ford news or oozy.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's three things that'll be something wrong with one of them.
The first one Break Duckworth, the man whose mathematical knowledge
helped to revolutionize rain affected cricket, died overnight, aged ninety nine,
falling just short of his rain reduced three figure target.
The English statistician created the Duckworth Lewis method with Tony Lewis,
a model to recalculate the scores when limited over matches
(32:58):
were curtailed by weather. Duckworth spent his entire career working
in the nuclear industry. Originally employed as a metallogist, he
found he had the ability to extract useful information from
masses of numerical measurements. Sad news from Australia. Will Pikowski
has probably played his last professional cricket match, according to
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a report from Code Sports, which claims that Victorian cricket
players and officials are increasingly resigned to the idea. It
was reported in March this year that an expert medical
panel would come together to discuss his playing future after
he suffered yet another blow to the head in a
Sheffield Shield match. The incident, adding to the twenty six
year old's long long history of concussions. Terrible news, terrible
(33:43):
news and number three another quite grim one. To be honest,
Trudy Linn Blade, Cricket Scotland CEO, has described public comments
made by player John Blaine at the formal conclusion of
an independent investigation into allegations of racist behavior as very disappointed.
Blane is the form of Scotland and Yorkshire bowler who
claimed last week they had been exonerated of allegations of racism.
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After making public a letter he received from Cricket Scotland
in January, Blaine issued a subsequent statement preempting is Cricket
Scotland's formal conclusion of the investigation process. Blaine threatened threatened
at legal action against the board. How good is this?
He said that Cricket Scotland. He accused Cricket Scotland of
a craven, disingenuous and despicable attempt to rewrite history a
(34:29):
week after I was forced to go public to clear
my name. It's a mess over there, boys, Cricket Scotland.
It's a shambles and there are shambles on the field
as well as we've seen here we go?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Shall I go first?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Yeah, you might as well.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I'm going to go one.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
That's what I was going.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Did you say Brent Duckworth Rank?
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Sorry, Brank, that is his name. He wasn't on Coronation
Street either, that's what you were thinking?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, this is it?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
That was Vera Duckworth and Jack the Pigeon.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Do you know that?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
No, I can see you being a massive Coronation Street
fans used to be.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, I'm almost thinking that you might lose instantly for
knowing that much about Coronation Street to be a lord
of like a breach.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Frank Duckworth.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
No, you don't think it's Frank Dackworth. No, I do
think it's Frank Duckworth. I just don't know if it's
Tony Lewis, because Tony Lewis was a former England captain
in Glamorgan or round her. I think it's the Tony
Lewis that's role, not the Frank duck With So I'm
going to go a story one too.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Well, it is story one, but it is Frank Duckworth
and it is Tony Lewis. But he didn't die aged
ninety nine. He died aged eighty four. I just made it,
put a cricket number in there for you.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I will just give it to me for the time being.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I'll look after it because you bravely went first, Jason.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
With that push keep it.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
We were so far off oth Oh.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I keep it fair enough.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
That brings us to the end of this podcast, so
obviously we'll be back after the semis in the final.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
What's going on with the bounce, Dylan?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Well, the bounces concentrating on the WILTI twenty at the moment,
diverting to things like the or black naming the other night.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, what'd you think?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I thought it was pretty sound, Yes, felt a little
bit sorry for Husk Institution.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah that was weird, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Yeah, But there you go. But join me anyway on
the bounce at Dylancleaver dot substack dot com. We'd love
to have you along. It's free and pull.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
If people want to get in contact with us, mate
and sending these these magnificent letters, what do they do?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Like, I say, an email a short epistle to b
YC at Bagebrigade dot co dot m Z, or slide
into the dms on Instagram or Facebook for the opportunity
of commentary collective or the base.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Brigade beautiful stuff. Well, thanks for taking the time to listen.
We'll be back very soon. Until then, take care,
Live from the Export Beer Garden Studios. You're listening to
the b YC where it's semi final time at the
T twenty World Cup. And while New Zealand fans will
still have a sour taste in the mouth, it's a
layed a little by our brothers across the ditch also
exiting early, and the magnificent alf Ghani's making it through
with a very real chance of making the finals.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
So let's dig into it. Fowlers, how are you Dylan?
A long time?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
See?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Actually, yeah, it feels like a while, doesn't it. Yes,
it's lovely to have you back on deck. Yeah, I'm
pretty well. Actually I'm enjoying the Tea twenty World Cup
without there being that each of the seat kind of
thing you get with New Zealand to play.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Sure. Sure, Paul Ford, how are you going?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm good mate. Look, I'm a cricket purestic carefty Zealands
and it or not, you know, I just sit around
watching cricket all day, every day, old videos. It's just
nice to have some fresh content.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
She quite pleasant in a way because it does remove
that element for you when your team's out of the competition.
You sort of have a different perspective on watching it.
No panic attacks, no panic attacks or anything like that.
Yourself drinking coffee and a living at night.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Oh I still do that anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
But you know, like that Afghanistan Australian match, that was
a fantastic match.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I was, I was loving it, loving it.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Now, let's look at this New Zealand campaign, fellas and
where we're at with it.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Dylan Kleaver.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, I guess we've had a bit of a time
to reflect and probably the public saw the worst of
Paul and myself as we dissected it straight after the game.
Emotions were running high. Sure, look kind of when you
see Afghanistan roll Australia, maybe put that New Zealand performance
into some sort of perspective. But I still I don't
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think the biggest problem was our performance against Afghanistan, as
Richard as it was. I don't think the major problem
was Afghanistan beating us. It was that we did not
New Zealand did not give themselves the best chance yes
performing well in that game. I think that is the
critical issue that can't get lost, even even despite you know,
the Taliban advancing all the way to the semi finals.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah. Yeah, well there is that really you know, difficult
element of it when you're sort of cheering them on.
I love the Afghanistan passion though. I love their commitment
to what they're doing. It's it's fantastic, you know, Paul
Forward and I've been reading a fair amount too, I mean,
Gary Steeds under a lot of pressure, a lot of
people just saying enough's enough. We've been on a downward
(02:34):
slide now for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Do we need changes?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, Look, I don't think it's going to happen. I
mean I think his wins and his successes far out
see the doom and gloom that this campaign has brought about.
You know, the Afghanistan game aside, does feel like he
would be the scapegoat for the preparation side of things,
and you get the feeling that because he hasn't actually
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fully owned that that maybe it was actually out of
his hands. He tried his best, him and the him
and the administration tried their best to get everyone together
and it was actually impossible. You know. I just don't
think that he's the kind of guy that's going to
dig in if he thinks that he's doing a shit job.
So look, I can I can cope with that. And
you know, as I think Dylan and I talked about
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last week, you know the other option is to split
the coaching arrangements. Well, it's just really difficult to do
that given the way our schedule works with the hotch
Potch Medley millunge of t twenties. Then we'll have some
tests and then we'll have some one days and it
would just you suspect that it's actually would actually make
things really really difficult to be chopping and changing between coaches.
(03:47):
So look, I'm not sure that there will be changes
at on the coaching side of things. I don't think
his contract will be torn up early. And if I
think about the tournament, it's actually the game, you know,
if get us down on a tear picians are perfect
for them. They are playing some fantastic cricket, gritty cricket,
and their rock stars are being rock stars and some
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of their second tier players are having blinders in this tournament,
which is exactly kind of what you want for me.
The game against the West Indies was that was the
worst one. We were warmed up for that one. We
were on top and we just couldn't get it done.
That one was even more frustrating given the context of
what we've seen from Afghanistan.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Since can I put something to you, Jason, Yes, on
this subject, I think. I mean, I'm sure Paul is right,
they're not about to make a change. But when you
witness something gradually declining correct over a period of time now,
and I think we're pretty safe in saying that. Right,
we had Bangladesh betting us in a Test match at home.
I think we've had the Bangers beening us at a
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one day or at home. We have had a pretty
limp performance against Australia, a very limp performing the Marquie
Test series. Our asses were saved by the most incredible
Test ever against England at the Reserve, but up until
the third day of that Test would been ranswered in
that series, We've now had this poor campaign. If you're
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actually witnessing in slow motion to decline, is it irresponsible
not to make changes?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well, that was the point I was about to make
before you asked me that question, Dylan, which was you know,
Paul talking about this tournament when we can't hold the
coaches responsible for that, you know, And I wasn't thinking
when I raised that question. Just of this tournament. I've
been thinking about the run that we've been having that
Australian series. Yeah, we gave them a bit of a
(05:37):
fright in the second Test, but that pissed me off.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
That series. It was our.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Premiere sort of moment of the season and we fluffed
it badly, I thought, and played pretty buddy poorly. And
you know, it's a weird conglomeration and mixture of players
coming to the end of their tenure anyway, mixed with
you know, it's hard to sort of go how much
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the coach is responsible for things that are going wrong.
But it does feel like we need a freshen up,
a reset, and we need to take some risks and
do things a bit differently, because you know, Steed's always
been praised for steady as she goes, I guess, and
that's been has sort of go to and I see
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the value in that, but it just feels like steady
as she.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Goes isn't working anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We need to do something a bit different in outside
the box.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I
think Paul is going to be right. But I don't
think he should be right, And I think you actually
hit the nail on the head there, Jace, I really do. Hey.
Can we look specifically just at the T twenty game, yes,
projector head to twenty twenty six where the tournament will
be in India and Sri Lanka. And I just want
to go through the current squad as it stands now
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and get a yay or nay from both of you
where they will still feature in twenty six. And obviously
we sat with the big dog Cain Williamson, who had
some news obviously last week. Yeah, your name ya.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
No, he won't be there. I want him to be there,
but he won't.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Be Yeah, I'm going ay as well. I don't think
I think he will actually pull the plug on T
twenty eyes. So there's two one there for Allen.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, fair enough, Nate Ooh, well we talked about a
sixty percent record, Pholis.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, it's not good enough. It's true.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I think you'll be there. I think they've I think
they've invested in him, and I reckon he'll come good.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Yeah. This is a real baby in the bathwater one
for me. I think he needs some big improvements. But
I've got a question out there. I'm going to sit
on the fence there Trent Bolt. Obviously he's indicated nay himself,
So yes.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I was going to say nay. Anyway, two more years
down the track.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
We don't have to linger on that one. Another one
of Paul Spedish players here, Michael brace Will, so perhaps
we'll go to him first this time.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I think he has gone how old he? He's thirty
three now, I think so, Yeah, he'll be thirty five.
I don't think so. I think you'll be gone nay.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, nay for me, that's a clean sweep of knais
Mark Chapman, Nay, he.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Looks about twelve. But how old actually is he?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think he's about the mid twenties, isn't he?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
No? I think late. I think he's thirty is he?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
He might have to get our producer who's standing by it,
to look that up. While we chat about him. I'm
going to go nay with Mark Chapman because I'm just
not sure that when the lights shine brightest he's quite
up to it. So I'm going to say nay.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I reckon he'll be in the squad. He's twenty ninety
tens thirty in late July, So he's twenty nine point nine,
so one of our few players under thirty actually, but
by a.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Whisker, okay dev dev con retired oh fourteen.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Twenties, Chuck, Yay.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I'm going to say yay, I think he should play.
I do not think he should WI could keep as
a made abundantly clear, but I think he should be
the Kane Williamson role going forward to the next couple
of years. You just can't have two of them, that's
my point. But I think he can still be the
innings anchor or the guy that you build an innings around.
Interesting one here, Lacky Ferguson.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, it's tough for you with it quick, isn't it,
because that's another two years.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Down the track and he's got no contract.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
He's got no contract, he's been priming to injury and
he's thirty three.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Nay.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Oh, I'm actually going to go yay here because I
think he is going to be I think he'll play
be in demand around the world, and I think you'll
have less cricket, the more high value cricket. So I'm
going to say yay.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah, I think he'll be in a war with Ben Sears,
and I think he'll still.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Be around Matt Henry. Yeah, it's a hard note for me.
I just think he should concentrate on tests and one.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Day is he feels like a red ball player to me? Yeah?
Or a long long form Yeah, that's a better way
of putting it DC. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But then, but we viewed him for so long as
a white ball specialist.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Ode he is brilliant. O, he's coming to his own
and test cricket. I just wouldn't bother now at thirty
something years old, trying to turn him into a T
twenty five. It's name for me, Darryl, Darryl mitch Son
of them, mitch Yay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good
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to get.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Some which is weird, right because he's he's also thirty three.
But it feels like I think he's been official and
our thinking because he hasn't been around for that long. Yeah,
he's a late you know, he's the he's the archetypal
late bloomer. And so it's not like we feel like
he's sort of done his dash because his dash came
quite late. So yeah, it's an interesting one.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Isn't it ignored? Does it feel like his skill set
is not in keeping with the modern game, I think so.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, Jimmy Niche.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Look, I'm a big fan of Jimmyish but in two
years down the track.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Nay, yeah, I'm exactly an alignment with your thinking there, Paul.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
M Yeah, Look, what's he going to be? He is
thirty four this year, so he'll be thirty six. I
just don't think he'd be bothered.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I'm sure he might be available, but I just don't think.
I think he will have faded out or turned completely
and utterly into a frenchise cricketer, which he must be
about ninety nine percent of at the moment, So he'll
be gone. Ski's i'd suggest.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
GP Glenn Phillips yep, yep, Yeah, he's a lock. Yeah,
and I suspect we're going to have another unanimous lock
here Retchen Revenger.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I yeah, yeah, I'll probably even put him in the
team to actually play the games as well.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
That would be get carried away here, paulow mate.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Maybe steps Paul Jesus Mitchell Santner, who's older than he
looks as well.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah he's thirty two.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, I reckon, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, probably the captain perhaps, And it might be his
swan song. Actually that tournament unless they're going to hang
on for the twenty twenty eight World Cup out this
way in Australia, in New.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Zealand, capin Wadgo is Sodi yep, nate for me. I
think he might have moved on from him a little
bit unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, I think that's right. I think it'll be an Eddie,
a shock World or something like someone of.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
That Elk Yeah, no, fair point. Ch Actually yeah, I'll
change my mind on that one.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And Tim Sowby, who's an interesting one to finish off with.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Nay, no, no, no, not two more years. I love
the guy, don't get me wrong. He's a committed cricketer
and he's in good health and he's flat.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But yeah, two years.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Thirty seven running a pretty much a James Anderson vibe.
I think that he'll be I think that he'll pull
up starts before, particularly when you look where that World
Cup is. I think it's India, isn't it. DC.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's got a very good record there in white ball cricket.
I actually reckon this might surprise us. As Jason mentioned,
he's in very good nick, very fit. It's not as
if he's pushing the envelope in terms of his pace. True,
so here we still around that one twenty five to
one thirty two. He The thing about Tim is that
for all the Knox he gets, all he wants to
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do is play cricket for his country.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yes, so, don't get me wrong, I'll take him if
he's available. I'm just I just didn't think that he
would be. Yeah, I'm saying he's available. I'm picking him.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, yeah, same, I think he will be.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Actually yeah, well there you go. Fascinating stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
It's interesting, isn't it. I mean quite a few of
the teams. I mean, I guess we're running a bit
of a not quite a dad's army. What's one below that?
Sort of an uncle's army is it? I don't know whatever.
England are running a dad's army and it's kind of
worked for them in this tournament. I think they'll be
happy with the semifinals. Australia they've got no one under
thirty I think except Tim David in their top t
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twenty team for this tournament, so they've taken the punt
and it's just interesting seeing teams with some of the younger,
more mercurial cricketers coming through have gone on to do
well in this tournament.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, and surely too.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You know, we've got to discover more talent in this
country over the next two years.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
T twenty is firmly entrenched in the cricket psyche, you know,
and there's players out there that you know, in club
cricket and so forth, that that's what their focus is.
T twenty. You've got to believe that there's got to
be some talent coming through, surely, Yeah, because if you're
holding on for two more years with some of these players,
you really do have to start asking some questions.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Yeah, well we had more than half naisire, so yes,
I mean we due a refresh. We do it due
a different way of looking at the game, a more
power based game. So I guess that's what we want
to see in the poor old super smashin.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And the interesting thing is that all of these either
are going to have to be playing shitloads of T twenty,
aren't they, because that's where the world's going to go.
So we're not going to die wondering. I don't think
many of them are going to be able to make
the choice light cable in sort of actually, you know what,
I might not I might not play that. They're all
going to be playing it to their crust.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Fantastic stuff fellers.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Well, let's take a quick break and be back with
some discussion on these T twenty semi finals.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So the semis as that whether I was going to
say don and dust, of course they're not done in
dust it, but it's settled who's playing who. Let's start
off Afghanistan and South Africa. God, sorry, I had a
brain fade there. I was just having a little look
before at the wind probability there Dylan Cleaver, and I
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saw that they had the South Africans at seventy five
percent win probability. Geez, I'd have a little punt on
the Afghanistan side. They're passionate, they're pumped up, they've got
a skill set. Now it is the bowl of Nevene
or Nevenevi Nevene.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, yeah, how good is he? I was watching him
the other day going thinking to myself.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Jeesus, like Boomra. He's got such a similar style to Boomra.
And then they did a slow side by side of
Boomra and leven It was identical.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
He's a phenomenal player.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, they've been the darlings of the tournament so to speak.
I think seventy five is a bit high. Actually they're
playing it. Look at the Brie Lara Academy in Trinidad,
which is I been pretty helpful to spinners, as the
West Indies showed when we decided to go on with
a very seam heavy attack against against them. I can
see Afghanistan tipping them up and you, I guess you've
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got a factor in it. Also that South Africa not
noted for coming to the party in the semi final
stages of world tournaments.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And they've kind of won ugly too though, haven't they
South Africa? They have won ugly in some of their matches.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
They have had two in fairness to them because they
played in some pretty rich conditions in New York and
so I wouldn't read two much into that. I mean
Quentin to car Adam Markram class and heinrich class. And
they have got good players. They have eleven better cricketers
than Afghanistan. But Afghanistan are very top heavy. They rely
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big time on that opening partnership and that bowling attack.
And it's T twenty they could win. I would put
it at sixty three thirty seven.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Very specific bear Dylan, Yeah, that that Afghanistan opening partnership,
was it three Hundi's in this tournament opening partnerships.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, Goerbez and Zardar. And they are sensational and not
just slogging either, you know, playing genuine cricket shots along
the ground. Quite comfortable slogging as well, but certainly more
than one dimension on show. Yeah, as you say, Dylan,
they are South Africans are entering the choke zone. It's
been a long wait for them to be in in
a major final. And it's it's cool that, I actually
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reckon it's cool that there's a couple of kind of
unfashionable teams that are in the semi, which means we're
going to have someone interesting in the final. I think, yeah,
I the question really is is this a different South
African team? I mean they've beaten Bandlesh I think by
what was it three or four runs, They've beaten Nepal
by one. They've squeaked past England, They've got past the
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West Indies, which is a bloody goodwin beating knocking the
home team out.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I play well that game too.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
They did yep and smart too right they played. They're
also prepared to tweak their lineup if they see it's
been friendly. I think Aiden markrom Bold the first four
overs right through the power play, and you know they've
got good spin bowlers, sensational Seamas Ribada obviously, Nautchia Jensen.
I mean they are a really really dangerous team and look,
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I for the sake of the Taliban, I really hope
so they could get past them, to be honest, and
I think it would be cool for cricket to have
a team like that get through, even though I really
hate them because maybe part of the reason they're good
at TWA twenty is because they didn't send their best
players out here for the test series.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, fair point England India. You'd have to favor the
Indian side, wouldn't you, Dylan Cleaver? But you know, T
twenty toss of a coin.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
It's a bit of a Hobson's choice this one.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
For me.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
I think India a bit of team. They're going to Guiana,
which has a massive Indian population. Quadron, it'll feel like
a home game. I suspect for India. It feel very
hostile for England. Yeah, if it's stranger things have happened.
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This is a decent England team and Phil Salt could
get away down Johnny Bestow could get away and suddenly
a game slipped on its head. But I would be
surprised if India didn't reach fun didn't prevail.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, it'll feel like a home game, Dylan, because it
is a home game for India, because they've known that
if they make the sentience, they're going to be playing
at that venue at that day, at that time, on
that pitch against whoever the hell they play. Because that's
just part of the ridiculous formatting of this tournament. I
think that it is a bit unfair that they've had
that cheeky little advantage, but that's cricket, right.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, so I guess the consensus is India South Africa final.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, I'd look forward to that, and actually, can I
just get pulled to elaborate on that point before because
I have correspondence to the Bounce my subsequent newsletter on
the subject as well, about why we don't fully embrace
this what should be this amazing underdog story in Afghanistan.
I mean, they're not the only country that plays for
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a pretty dodgy regime. So what is it in particular
about the Afghanistan regime that should give us pause for thought?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, look, I think political here fellows.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Well, I think it's an interesting one because it's it's
a real dichotomy, isn't it. Between this wonderful fairy tale
this team that's come out of Division five and you
see the list of the player of the teams that
they've beaten over the last ten years, and it is
an extraordinary smagas board of countries from all around the
world if they've come up through the grades and then
into the World Cup semi finals this time around. But
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there is this, I guess it's two things. One is
the very nature of the Taliban. So when couple fell
to the Taliban in twenty twenty one, basically they just
said no more woman playing sports, no more woman going
to the gym, cove your heir, cove your skin, no
more going to school, you can't go to the park,
all of that kind of stuff. So I'm sure that's
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just the sort of the regulatory layer of that. The
enforcement of that, I'm sure is pretty grim. So there's
that that just the very nature of that prejudice against women.
Then you've got the hypocrisy. I think that's followed on
from it. So for example, you've had Cricket Australia go,
we are not going to go to Afghanistan and two
there because we have concerns about the regime that's in
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place over there. And so you know, it's sort of
weird because they were going to play in the United
Arab Emirates, they weren't going to be sort of playing
in caball. But basically you've got this thing where where
it's convenient, where you maybe need to make win a
game to get through to the Cricket World Cup semi finals,
you'll be happy to play the game, but you're actually
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not prepared to kind of go in and play the
games when the games are part of the schedule. So
there's this weird there's this weird hypocrisy. And also you've
got the Taliban coming out kind of saying, you know,
we just think you should be really fair to all
of the countries and come and play, come and play
with us.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Look, I think it's it's a really complicated subject, but
I think it would be doing a disservice not to
acknowledge that there is some complexity around this particular fairy tale.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah, and I think the woman thing is the big thing, right,
you are meant to The International Cricket Council dictates that
you should have a woman's program, and they clearly cannot
have a woman's program under the under the Taliban. But
I do where I do sympathize as the players themselves
have been getting a little bit of grief but not
speaking out against it, against the regime. And all I
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would say to that is walk a mile in their shoes,
and you know, they have family. Even though they themselves
might not be living in Cable or Kandergar or cost
or wherever it is at the moment, they have family
over there. I would not be speaking out too loudly
against a regime that has proven in the past to
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be fairly murderous. Yeah, and just in case anyone from
the Taliban is listening, that was Paul Fordy just said that.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Not even true. It's not even true. The other thing
that we should talk about briefly is and I wouldn't.
Just to be clear, I am not really following them.
This is not a segway from the Teleban discussion, but
there was some pretty shoddy behavior in that semi final
against Bangladesh.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Told me through that what was going on there be
through this because I didn't watch the game, I'll.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Leave a Florida Paul, but I was very funny.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, so you had the Afghanistan coach Jonathan trot Yes,
so sorry. Yeah, so they're banning. They get ahead on
the Duckworth Lewis stern thing by two runs. Jonathan Trott,
the coach, then is sort of waving at the team.
He was very involved towards through this match, lots of
field settings and all sorts, and he was sort of
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waving his hands down and sort of saying slow it down,
slow it down, slow it down, obviously noting that they
were two runs ahead on the Duckworth Lewis as the
rain came in, so this would be quite a convenient
juncture for us to stop. Now. I think it was
misinterpreted by the first slip, who absolutely fell down like
he'd been shot, and it was sort of, I think,
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attributed back to the coach that he had told the
slips to do that, and of course he actually hadn't.
He was just sort of saying slow it down, and
all sorts of chaos and then you could see that
the band dish batsmen were like, this is not very good.
Commentators were very damning, and even Rashi Cant, who was
bowling at the time, was kind of like, what are
we doing? I did see it. I did see Later
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on it got described as oh, yeah, he just had
a bit of cramp, which is obviously just absolute horseship.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Us didn't know.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Hell when he came on to bowl off his full
run up too not long after that. Yes, and and.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
The celebratory charge Gilbertan it was absolutely at the front
of the pack, just tearing his way out of the
out of the dugout, you know, like absolutely totally involved. Yeah,
so one of the dodgiest left eye injuries. I saw
Adam Zamper describe it as a pulled ham rainstring, I
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think is what he called it. Was it a rainstring?
I saw rain string? Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Well, one thing you got to say about the Afghanistan side,
though they're very entertaining to watch, you know, the celebrations
and you know they were into it and that you
know the fun part of watching them. You know, it
is a complicated story and it's always difficult when these
politics involved too.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But they are quite amusing to watch.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah, the game was actually hinky and more ways than
one too, because Bangladesh seemed to pull out very quickly
from an opportunity to win by a big enough margin
to qualify themselves out of that group. I mean, it's
not like they were chasing a big target. And then
after about nine overs they said have three point one
overs left to get to the target, and Marmadulla came
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out and started blocking everything.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
It was yeah, basic one hundred and sixteen. I've quite
an extraordinary picture of this thing. So I was heading
from up the city after going up for Seinfelder. Let's
not talk about that. That's a whole gaza conversation. And
my taxi driver was Afghani, and I noticed that when
we were stopped at the lights, he was clicking in
and putting the stream on the video stream on, but
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obviously thought that it was a bit dodgy to do
it wile he was driving. I noticed that and I said,
just put it on, mates. He put it on, turned
the volume up full blowing, and as we drove out
to the to the airport to fly home. Yeah, we
watched the last five overs together in the taxi and
He was absolutely pumped up. So when we got to
the ukle airport, he set me off with about five
hundred toots no ak forty seven shots. But I imagined
that if he had one, he would have been raining
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bullets upon me as well, which, yeah, it's quite quite sensational,
really amazing.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Did you get a discounter or was it prepaid?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Uber?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I gave him a tip. I thought I'd give him
a tip because I thought, yeah, he made that experience
of that taxi right, absolutely sensational.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Shit.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
He was into it.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So some big names of course Big Country is not
making it through New Zealand. Of course Parkstown, Westerndies. Australia,
Mitch Marsh under a bit of pressure.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah, well I guess any Australian captain, it doesn't bring.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Home if you lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
He bettered really poorly in that tournament too, and he
didn't get runs and know their critical match, he was
caught sensation. They had to India and it looked like
him and Trevor's head were setting them up to chase
down two hundred odd and then he got caught sensationally
on the boundary by Aksha or AKX Patel not quite
sure how you say that first name. And it may
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have been a little bit of a mistake because the
Indian fielding coach or coach was out there chatting to
Aha and he didn't turn around till quite late. And
I suspect if he had turned around and walked in
with the bowler when he should have started, he would
have been too far in and would have gone over
his head. So it was really quite.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Answer on their side.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
It was a miracle one hand to catch above his head.
But yeah, Mitchell Marsha, I mean, I don't know what
do you make of him as a skipper pool.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
He seems pretty loose and relaxed to me. It doesn't
seem to get too wound up.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I think that's kind of the problem. Jase, Yeah, I
think you know. The runs are one thing. I think
you know a couple of scores. He dropped the center
of a catch, absolute sort of a catch. He didn't
bowl himself. And lots of the Instagram stories and reels
and posts and so on from the Australian team in
and around this tournament have been around.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I think you guys want of Adam Zampra and Matthew
Wade out fishing. I think it was, wasn't it in
the little speedos, which neither of you seem to appreciate.
But my point is quite a relp. You said that
it made you feel a bit sick, relaxed, kind of
a vibe around this team, and I think they were
probably trying something different in the wake of the high
pressure stakes of the IPL. And yeah, I guess Mitchell
marsh is going to be the guy that the knives
(29:25):
are going to be out for because it's kind of like, oh,
you guys were a bit too casual and look where
that got us. What actually happened was they had a
really shitty day against Afghanistan and that just stuffed them
up for the whole tournament. That's how tournament's like, that's work,
doesn't it. Yeah, one game, crappy game and you're gone.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yes, finally, Davy dum dumb, finally finally.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Isn't there something quite delicious about the thought that his
international career effectively ended with him watching a television praying
for Bengladesh to beat Afghanistan. I mean, it's hard not answered,
it's hardy waving your back to have packed the mcg
as you leave the ground for the last time, is
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it yes, very much so.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
About to a scream a catch to against Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Hey, now we're going to take a little break again
and be back with some of your correspondents.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
We've got some correspondence here from Mark t and the
Windy's and he writes, Fellows, I know you guys have
consigned this World Cup to the dust spin of history,
so I wasn't going to send another update. However, I
got in from the Afghanistan versus Australia game, where there
was a sizeable contingent of kiwis who had anticipated us
making the quarter finals and playing in Saint Vincent.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
This game was like redemption.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
We weren't as ratched as we thought and Afghanistan deserved
to be there.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
What an atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
The drums were mental and I was still dancing away
well after the game was over. The point of this
email is to say there will be some happy traveling
fans tonight, and I'm one of them.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
What a blast.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
If you do a wrap up of the world then
this game should be singled out for its restorative effect
on our bruised and battered cricketing souls well for us
traveling fans anyway, not sure anyone else will have noticed.
Thanks for reading out my first email. I love Cain
and I think he's the best equal ploywer we've ever had,
not least because we won a trip to Lords with
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the team in twenty fifteen and Cain was particularly nice
to my boy Moss Cheers.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Thank you for keeping us up to date with your travels,
Mark Turner, It's been a pleasure to read.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Them, but right now it's time for Paul Ford's cricket
Violence Corner.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Paul Ford's cricket Violence Corner.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Police have descended on a cricket field at a club
in Hampshire to evict travelers who allegedly broke onto the
land and drove around in circles in the middle of
the night. The travelers were removed from the cricket field
at Petersfield Cricket Club, which is said to have been
severely damaged by their intrusion. Photos posted by the club
online show the field blighted with deep circular tire marks
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cutting into the grass. Club captain Chris Russell said last
night we had some unexpected visitors on our CCTVV two
four x four forward rangers. We're doing donuts on our field.
We're a volunteer club with two hundred members. We have
lots and lots of volunteer hours to put everything back together.
It's really disappointing that there's this mindless damage. So b
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YC listeners, if you have any information about this, please
do get in touch with the Hampshire Constabulary.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Great suff mate, and to finish us off with this podcast,
it's a pull Ford news or oozy.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's three things that'll be something wrong with one of them.
The first one Break Duckworth, the man whose mathematical knowledge
helped to revolutionize rain affected cricket, died overnight, aged ninety nine,
falling just short of his rain reduced three figure target.
The English statistician created the Duckworth Lewis method with Tony Lewis,
a model to recalculate the scores when limited over matches
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were curtailed by weather. Duckworth spent his entire career working
in the nuclear industry. Originally employed as a metallogist, he
found he had the ability to extract useful information from
masses of numerical measurements. Sad news from Australia. Will Pikowski
has probably played his last professional cricket match, according to
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a report from Code Sports, which claims that Victorian cricket
players and officials are increasingly resigned to the idea. It
was reported in March this year that an expert medical
panel would come together to discuss his playing future after
he suffered yet another blow to the head in a
Sheffield Shield match. The incident, adding to the twenty six
year old's long long history of concussions. Terrible news, terrible
(33:43):
news and number three another quite grim one. To be honest,
Trudy Linn Blade, Cricket Scotland CEO, has described public comments
made by player John Blaine at the formal conclusion of
an independent investigation into allegations of racist behavior as very disappointed.
Blane is the form of Scotland and Yorkshire bowler who
claimed last week they had been exonerated of allegations of racism.
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After making public a letter he received from Cricket Scotland
in January, Blaine issued a subsequent statement preempting is Cricket
Scotland's formal conclusion of the investigation process. Blaine threatened threatened
at legal action against the board. How good is this?
He said that Cricket Scotland. He accused Cricket Scotland of
a craven, disingenuous and despicable attempt to rewrite history a
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week after I was forced to go public to clear
my name. It's a mess over there, boys, Cricket Scotland.
It's a shambles and there are shambles on the field
as well as we've seen here we go?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Shall I go first?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Yeah, you might as well.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I'm going to go one.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
That's what I was going.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Did you say Brent Duckworth Rank?
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Sorry, Brank, that is his name. He wasn't on Coronation
Street either, that's what you were thinking?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, this is it?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
That was Vera Duckworth and Jack the Pigeon.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Do you know that?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
No, I can see you being a massive Coronation Street
fans used to be.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, I'm almost thinking that you might lose instantly for
knowing that much about Coronation Street to be a lord
of like a breach.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Frank Duckworth.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
No, you don't think it's Frank Dackworth. No, I do
think it's Frank Duckworth. I just don't know if it's
Tony Lewis, because Tony Lewis was a former England captain
in Glamorgan or round her. I think it's the Tony
Lewis that's role, not the Frank duck With So I'm
going to go a story one too.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Well, it is story one, but it is Frank Duckworth
and it is Tony Lewis. But he didn't die aged
ninety nine. He died aged eighty four. I just made it,
put a cricket number in there for you.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I will just give it to me for the time being.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I'll look after it because you bravely went first, Jason.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
With that push keep it.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
We were so far off oth Oh.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I keep it fair enough.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
That brings us to the end of this podcast, so
obviously we'll be back after the semis in the final.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
What's going on with the bounce, Dylan?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Well, the bounces concentrating on the WILTI twenty at the moment,
diverting to things like the or black naming the other night.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, what'd you think?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
I thought it was pretty sound, Yes, felt a little
bit sorry for Husk Institution.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah that was weird, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Yeah, But there you go. But join me anyway on
the bounce at Dylancleaver dot substack dot com. We'd love
to have you along. It's free and pull.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
If people want to get in contact with us, mate
and sending these these magnificent letters, what do they do?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Like, I say, an email a short epistle to b
YC at Bagebrigade dot co dot m Z, or slide
into the dms on Instagram or Facebook for the opportunity
of commentary collective or the base.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Brigade beautiful stuff. Well, thanks for taking the time to listen.
We'll be back very soon. Until then, take care,
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