April 9, 2025 • 7 mins
The self-titled Prince of the Provinces, Matua Shane, lets rip on wool in government buildings, pine trees, Trump and the Greens.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He is the prince of the Province's Marta Shane Jones,
Woolen government buildings and schools. It's in New Zealand first,
and this short of wonderful Shane Jones. But is it
virtue signaling? I see that the timber industry now wants
some love from you in Winston.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, look, we've got to find right ways to use
Mother Nature's endowment that we actually rely upon to make
a living in New Zealand. Uncertainty overseas means we should
be using more of our resources ourselves, and I'm not interested.
I'm not interested in these abicus dwellers who say that
(00:37):
we have to continually rely on overseas products because they
might be cheaper. So big ups, Mark Patterson. The next one,
obviously is forestry, and as you and I, I was the
forest minister in the park of There. There's one thing
I'm going to say. The world has changed. Things have
been inverted. And even if mister Trump is a negotiator
(01:01):
more in the Capone style than some sort of PwC character,
the world has changed. The rules pertaining to trade that
you and I have taken for granted, they're up in
the air, but nothing changes where self sufficiency and resilience state.
That's why walls a good sign.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Okay, I'm not knocking you, and I think it's a
good initiative, but it kind of flies in the face
of let's try and save government money.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It depends how you conceive value over the life of
a product. Often that the government looks at an initiative.
Do you look at the four year funding cycle or
do you look at the thirty to forty year period
of time that a material has to serve a purpose.
And it's really important when you look at procurement that
you go to the long term, not just the short
(01:48):
term cash, because over the life of an asset you
shell peas on R and M and other things. So no, no, no, no,
I think it's reflexible, mature approach.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Will your epetah on your grave? Here lies Jones. He
planted too many pine trees.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Every time I talked to you, you remind me that
the Countess of Austria came and started gobbling up land
as a consequence of my profligacy. And that's a good
word for your farmers.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I need to learn that one.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, well, the reality is made. We made a point
our point in time, we made a decision to enable
farmers to convert their land to forestry for production purposes,
and a lot of it has gone into long term sequestration.
And I'm abiding by the new rules and regulations. Administer
Todd is shipping through the system. I had mister Upton
(02:34):
in my office and he is endeavoring to school me.
Is he's quite a sort of an esoteric sort of fellow,
but I don't mind him at a personal level.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And who uses bigger words than you.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Ah, yes, I can talk yet him and has to
shut up.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Hey, he is the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment that
he came out yesterday and said we can't plant our
way out of climate change and carbon farming pine forests
is not the way to go.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Look, you can't have a situation where people who have
invested their money, they've swept their equity into existing carbon forests.
I'm not going to tolerate them being written out of
the script. So if there's a change in the future,
you have to protect the rights and the investments that
people have already made. And I think what he's saying is, Okay,
what's the steps into the future If it's not blue
(03:25):
carbon or more pine trees. They look the high tide
mark of pine trees dotting the landscape in my view,
has changed anyway because Minister Todd is bringing all these
new ruld and regulations reflective of our commitment and the
coalition agreement to pass YEA.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But that doesn't stop all the ones that have already
been plannted just for carbon farming. Are we going to
be the California wildfire capital of the South Pacific in
twenty or thirty years time.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Most of the people that I've met in that space,
even our mary landowners, they know that there's going to
be grown duties on them to manage their forests, so
they're going to have the liability going forward. And quite frankly,
in some areas we're not going to be able to
plant any more pine forest, certainly not at the scale
historically we've done so such at such as the East
Coast and New South Islanders are very very leary about
(04:14):
many more pine trees down there because of wilding pine.
The issue is, whilst it's topical, I think people should
give a bit of credit to Minister Todd maclay. He
is trying to tidy it up.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And I know you've got to trade warily on this one.
But Trump, it changes daily. We wake up this morning,
there's a ninety day halt on tariffs, or they're keeping
them at ten percent. The script changes on an hourly basis.
Even while one of his officials is tariff Man's making
a speech. Trump's changing policy while the poor bug is speaking.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh okay, I'm not down at that level of granularity,
but come on, who should not be surprised. We know
mister Trump. We've seen as television programs, We've read his background,
we know the pedigree of the man. He is a
deal maker. He's a negotiator. Now, whether or not you
feel that's appropriate and appropriate in terms of presidential power,
(05:07):
deal with what we've got. And at the end of
the day, mate, we're five point two million people and
we can do a hell of a lot more to
boost our own resilience. We should be using our own
natural resources, our own minerals, growing our own food, and
for God's sake, move away from this climate catastrophization. Climate
policy has hit its high tide mark. New Zealand first
(05:30):
is more motivated to solve the problems of plastic pollution
rather than plastic politicians, threatening and intimidating Kiwis about climate catastrophization.
You know that I'm a doubting Thomas and the vast
majority of stuff that passes under the rubric of climate.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Drill, baby drill. Just to finish on, I like the
Minister of Police Mark Mitchell. I've never actually met him,
but I like the cut of his cloth if you want.
But Tamotha Paul says she's much more intelligent than him,
and people don't like the police. It's abhorrent to what
she's saying. And I haven't even started on that other clown,
Benjamin Doyle.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
This is the story of three monkeys. One monkey looking
for a brain, other monkey looking for character character. The
third monkey, i e. The Leader of co leader of
the Green Party looking for a backbone. No backbone. They
would not stand up for decency, foundation values. Secondly, Benjamin
(06:33):
Doyle a young man who should never have come into
public life, one of these deluded souls who thinks he
can colonize the English language and stop them much. We
are using the word he or she. You are either
a man or a woman. End of story. And with
Talitha looking for a brain, it is a brainless assertion
to make that the community or the public do not
want the police. Come with me to Kaiko Here where
(06:55):
meth is out of control, and I'll put that young
lady in the main street of Kaikohere and she would
quiver and she'd be in need of nappies.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'd vote for that. Shane Jones, Prince of the Province's
thanks is always for your time on the country.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
See her buddy, bye.
He is the prince of the Province's Marta Shane Jones,
Woolen government buildings and schools. It's in New Zealand first,
and this short of wonderful Shane Jones. But is it
virtue signaling? I see that the timber industry now wants
some love from you in Winston.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, look, we've got to find right ways to use
Mother Nature's endowment that we actually rely upon to make
a living in New Zealand. Uncertainty overseas means we should
be using more of our resources ourselves, and I'm not interested.
I'm not interested in these abicus dwellers who say that
(00:37):
we have to continually rely on overseas products because they
might be cheaper. So big ups, Mark Patterson. The next one,
obviously is forestry, and as you and I, I was the
forest minister in the park of There. There's one thing
I'm going to say. The world has changed. Things have
been inverted. And even if mister Trump is a negotiator
(01:01):
more in the Capone style than some sort of PwC character,
the world has changed. The rules pertaining to trade that
you and I have taken for granted, they're up in
the air, but nothing changes where self sufficiency and resilience state.
That's why walls a good sign.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Okay, I'm not knocking you, and I think it's a
good initiative, but it kind of flies in the face
of let's try and save government money.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It depends how you conceive value over the life of
a product. Often that the government looks at an initiative.
Do you look at the four year funding cycle or
do you look at the thirty to forty year period
of time that a material has to serve a purpose.
And it's really important when you look at procurement that
you go to the long term, not just the short
(01:48):
term cash, because over the life of an asset you
shell peas on R and M and other things. So no, no, no, no,
I think it's reflexible, mature approach.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Will your epetah on your grave? Here lies Jones. He
planted too many pine trees.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Every time I talked to you, you remind me that
the Countess of Austria came and started gobbling up land
as a consequence of my profligacy. And that's a good
word for your farmers.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I need to learn that one.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, well, the reality is made. We made a point
our point in time, we made a decision to enable
farmers to convert their land to forestry for production purposes,
and a lot of it has gone into long term sequestration.
And I'm abiding by the new rules and regulations. Administer
Todd is shipping through the system. I had mister Upton
(02:34):
in my office and he is endeavoring to school me.
Is he's quite a sort of an esoteric sort of fellow,
but I don't mind him at a personal level.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And who uses bigger words than you.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Ah, yes, I can talk yet him and has to
shut up.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Hey, he is the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment that
he came out yesterday and said we can't plant our
way out of climate change and carbon farming pine forests
is not the way to go.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Look, you can't have a situation where people who have
invested their money, they've swept their equity into existing carbon forests.
I'm not going to tolerate them being written out of
the script. So if there's a change in the future,
you have to protect the rights and the investments that
people have already made. And I think what he's saying is, Okay,
what's the steps into the future If it's not blue
(03:25):
carbon or more pine trees. They look the high tide
mark of pine trees dotting the landscape in my view,
has changed anyway because Minister Todd is bringing all these
new ruld and regulations reflective of our commitment and the
coalition agreement to pass YEA.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But that doesn't stop all the ones that have already
been plannted just for carbon farming. Are we going to
be the California wildfire capital of the South Pacific in
twenty or thirty years time.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Most of the people that I've met in that space,
even our mary landowners, they know that there's going to
be grown duties on them to manage their forests, so
they're going to have the liability going forward. And quite frankly,
in some areas we're not going to be able to
plant any more pine forest, certainly not at the scale
historically we've done so such at such as the East
Coast and New South Islanders are very very leary about
(04:14):
many more pine trees down there because of wilding pine.
The issue is, whilst it's topical, I think people should
give a bit of credit to Minister Todd maclay. He
is trying to tidy it up.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And I know you've got to trade warily on this one.
But Trump, it changes daily. We wake up this morning,
there's a ninety day halt on tariffs, or they're keeping
them at ten percent. The script changes on an hourly basis.
Even while one of his officials is tariff Man's making
a speech. Trump's changing policy while the poor bug is speaking.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh okay, I'm not down at that level of granularity,
but come on, who should not be surprised. We know
mister Trump. We've seen as television programs, We've read his background,
we know the pedigree of the man. He is a
deal maker. He's a negotiator. Now, whether or not you
feel that's appropriate and appropriate in terms of presidential power,
(05:07):
deal with what we've got. And at the end of
the day, mate, we're five point two million people and
we can do a hell of a lot more to
boost our own resilience. We should be using our own
natural resources, our own minerals, growing our own food, and
for God's sake, move away from this climate catastrophization. Climate
policy has hit its high tide mark. New Zealand first
(05:30):
is more motivated to solve the problems of plastic pollution
rather than plastic politicians, threatening and intimidating Kiwis about climate catastrophization.
You know that I'm a doubting Thomas and the vast
majority of stuff that passes under the rubric of climate.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Drill, baby drill. Just to finish on, I like the
Minister of Police Mark Mitchell. I've never actually met him,
but I like the cut of his cloth if you want.
But Tamotha Paul says she's much more intelligent than him,
and people don't like the police. It's abhorrent to what
she's saying. And I haven't even started on that other clown,
Benjamin Doyle.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
This is the story of three monkeys. One monkey looking
for a brain, other monkey looking for character character. The
third monkey, i e. The Leader of co leader of
the Green Party looking for a backbone. No backbone. They
would not stand up for decency, foundation values. Secondly, Benjamin
(06:33):
Doyle a young man who should never have come into
public life, one of these deluded souls who thinks he
can colonize the English language and stop them much. We
are using the word he or she. You are either
a man or a woman. End of story. And with
Talitha looking for a brain, it is a brainless assertion
to make that the community or the public do not
want the police. Come with me to Kaiko Here where
(06:55):
meth is out of control, and I'll put that young
lady in the main street of Kaikohere and she would
quiver and she'd be in need of nappies.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'd vote for that. Shane Jones, Prince of the Province's
thanks is always for your time on the country.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
See her buddy, bye.
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