December 11, 2024 • 8 mins
We book in for an argument with the Deputy PM, NZ First leader and newly minted Minister of Rail. We talk ferries, greyhound racing, Trump, Seymour and whether NZ has ever been more divided.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Come in.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Is this the right room for an argument?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I've told you once, No you haven't. Just now you didn't.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I did didn't didn't you did not? I'm sorry, just
one moment, is it?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
There you go?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
But of John Clice Monty Python the argument sketch. Well
that's a good intro to this man. His name is
Winston Peters, and Winston I heard you this morning with
Heather Duplassy. Allen. I kind of want to have an
argument with you today, but I find myself agreeing with
you more often than not these days, and I'm worried
that now that I'm a pensioner that I'll turn into
(00:40):
a New Zealand first voter. Help me.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, who said that when you get older you get wiser?
So I polas bet to Haven, but not just all overnight.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well maybe we could have an argument or continue the
argument you had with Heather this morning on z B
Around the Fairies. This was an announcement about an announcement.
Barry Soaper said, you have come up with an indefensible
faery plan and the government is finishing the year deriiled.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Look here we were having Wminister of Rail in twenty twenty.
In May asked him to go and find two votes
for under this price of four hundred and one million,
coming into government to find the whole thing had blown
out to three point two billion, and Treasury said on
the way to four billion. Now, where upon, in hearing
(01:31):
that could we not have to be forced to make
a sound decision to get things back on track and
get things back into affordable manner, And that's what we've done.
So why am I hearing all this controversy now went
from twenty twenty one when they first started blowing out
this cost and making all sorts of silly decisions. Did
(01:51):
I hear any comment from the mainstream media. No, it's
some sort of let's have a go at Winston Peters.
He's been the job for five minutes and let's see
how we can gas light in. Now. I'm not tingly
difficult here, but I'm very confident going forward that we
can fix this and at a price far, far, far
less than that wish we were being for.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, but are we penny pinching because in an ideal
world you talk about infrastructure, we would have a four
lane highway the length of the country and we would
have a kick ass excuse my French their faery system
with roll on roll off for the railway wagons.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, I can't believe that I'm talking to somebody from
Gore who doesn't understand about saving money and spending money wisely.
It's in your background now. I know your listeners will
know that we should be as careful about spending their
money as we are spending our own, and they expected
of us. Except in the case of the usual fairy
story recently, it's just been the absolute opposite, where went
(02:50):
out to buy two fairies and decided, here's a chance
to screw the taxpayer. We'll get all infrastructure. So the end,
the fairy is only about less than twenty percent of
the cast and all the us was infrastructure, which no
one was told about in the first place.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Born in Gore, I'm a riverstyle boy, though once then,
just put your right on that one. Okay, the other
news story this week, because the argument over the fairies
is one I may not one, although it has been
a bit of a dog's breakfast, which is a nice
segue onto the greyhound racing industry. Was this over your
dead body?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
How do you mean? I was the one that made
the decision at the beginning of the year that I
didn't like the fact that there was a review of
the damage to race resting hounds in twenty thirteen, another
review in twenty seventeen is a substantial review, and a
further one in twenty twenty one, and I all pointed
to the fact that there were too many serious injuries
(03:40):
and too many dogs unaccountable. Out of the end, we
made the decision, did it very confidentially, went of course
to every other political party and said either it's now
never to do the right thing by these dogs. And
we have got a vote of two of one hundred
and twenty two to do it, passed the legislation all
in the space of two hours and one alfternoon this week.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
You've been in politics since nineteen seventy eight, or in
parliament since nineteen seventy eight. As a nation, right here,
right now, are we the most divided we've been since, say,
nineteen eighty one on the Springbok tour.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I believe more divided than eighty one. Were more divided
now because of the attitude of certain people who in
our society, and do I say at certain political parties.
I can look at political parties in Parliament and say
that the founding members of your party wouldn't recognize you now,
and it scarce daylight because some of the stories you're
hearing out of this parliament comes right out of the
(04:36):
Marxist playbook. They're not to do with the party's beliefs
in say the Green Movement or the Values Party of
nine seventy two. Dare I say it that moped into
the Green Party and the Latter Party these days? I
mean they something like the Party of Kirk and Savage
and people like that know nearly on about all these
issues are to do to do with minority, while the
mass majority of pay all the taxes are simply ignored.
(04:59):
So I know this is the worst I've ever seen it,
But we're not going to let them get away with it.
We're going to turn that around.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Twenty twenty five. Prospects for twenty twenty five. We are
going to have on January the twentieth, a new leader
of the free world. And I put it to you
that Donald Trump, even though he's only President elect, has
made a solid, almost statesman like start to his second term.
Do you agree?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yes? I do regret that also we have made sure
when well before the November elections that we were getting
ready for a change in the American government, not because
we end uppearing with other countries politics, but because you've
got to have a pretty good idea what's going to happen,
and you plan for it. And so we had many
people being put in place as early as a year
ago before the twenty twenty four election in America ready
(05:47):
for that the events should there be a change, and
so we were hitting the ground running there and we
work as hard as we can to ensure that we've
got the closest alignment with the new administration, as we
need to do with every country we do to with.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
There's twenty twenty five going to be a tough year
for you handing over that Deputy prime minister's role to
your arch nemesis. Can I call them that, David Seymour?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Now, I don't look at things that way. I look
at the possibilities going forward, and that's the reason why
we're in great shape, why we have been so high
in our polls in all year, ranking far harder than
what the polls are saying out there in public. We
are very confident. This has been a massively substantial bill
year for a party called New Zealand First, and we've
packed the halls like no other party has. We've had
(06:32):
orders over a nine hundred and parts of this country
when nobody else know the political players have got anything
like that figure. But out in the province is where
it matters. It's own great.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I got a text final one I'm going to finish
with this from a mate of mine on the media
who said, I never thought I would say this, but
I'm voting New Zealand First. I am loving Winnie and Martua.
So there you go. You've got one more vote than
you had yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
There on there we got to tens and tens of
thousands coming around that way and it shows in our
party sport base.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, I'm just worried I might be a New Zealand
First voter. As I said at the beginning of the interview,
Winston help me.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, now, if you're going to be in New Zealand
First voter, we do want you to be long on
the lip and slow on the hip, So start helping
out properly. Okay, the tough job. Other parties are loaded
with millions and millions of dollars. You know how I've
little we've been given by way of money because New
Zealand First stands for New Zealand first and the Union
people first. That's why we're not popular in certain sectors,
but that doesn't matter. It's the reason why we're the
(07:34):
most successful new party in New Zealand's political history of
recent decades. Now that said, you have a great Christmas
and your listeners have a wonderful Christmas as well. Look
after yourselves and get ready for a bright, tough new year.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well you enjoy a break to and enjoy a micais
I see you later. Thanks for being on the show
in twenty twenty four. I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well, thank you very much. It's been very edifying experience
having to put up with these questions. Never mind, I've
enjoyed it my self.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, Onceton, thank you Onceton. Winston Peters
Come in.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Is this the right room for an argument?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I've told you once, No you haven't. Just now you didn't.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I did didn't didn't you did not? I'm sorry, just
one moment, is it?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
There you go?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
But of John Clice Monty Python the argument sketch. Well
that's a good intro to this man. His name is
Winston Peters, and Winston I heard you this morning with
Heather Duplassy. Allen. I kind of want to have an
argument with you today, but I find myself agreeing with
you more often than not these days, and I'm worried
that now that I'm a pensioner that I'll turn into
(00:40):
a New Zealand first voter. Help me.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, who said that when you get older you get wiser?
So I polas bet to Haven, but not just all overnight.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well maybe we could have an argument or continue the
argument you had with Heather this morning on z B
Around the Fairies. This was an announcement about an announcement.
Barry Soaper said, you have come up with an indefensible
faery plan and the government is finishing the year deriiled.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Look here we were having Wminister of Rail in twenty twenty.
In May asked him to go and find two votes
for under this price of four hundred and one million,
coming into government to find the whole thing had blown
out to three point two billion, and Treasury said on
the way to four billion. Now, where upon, in hearing
(01:31):
that could we not have to be forced to make
a sound decision to get things back on track and
get things back into affordable manner, And that's what we've done.
So why am I hearing all this controversy now went
from twenty twenty one when they first started blowing out
this cost and making all sorts of silly decisions. Did
(01:51):
I hear any comment from the mainstream media. No, it's
some sort of let's have a go at Winston Peters.
He's been the job for five minutes and let's see
how we can gas light in. Now. I'm not tingly
difficult here, but I'm very confident going forward that we
can fix this and at a price far, far, far
less than that wish we were being for.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, but are we penny pinching because in an ideal
world you talk about infrastructure, we would have a four
lane highway the length of the country and we would
have a kick ass excuse my French their faery system
with roll on roll off for the railway wagons.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, I can't believe that I'm talking to somebody from
Gore who doesn't understand about saving money and spending money wisely.
It's in your background now. I know your listeners will
know that we should be as careful about spending their
money as we are spending our own, and they expected
of us. Except in the case of the usual fairy
story recently, it's just been the absolute opposite, where went
(02:50):
out to buy two fairies and decided, here's a chance
to screw the taxpayer. We'll get all infrastructure. So the end,
the fairy is only about less than twenty percent of
the cast and all the us was infrastructure, which no
one was told about in the first place.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Born in Gore, I'm a riverstyle boy, though once then,
just put your right on that one. Okay, the other
news story this week, because the argument over the fairies
is one I may not one, although it has been
a bit of a dog's breakfast, which is a nice
segue onto the greyhound racing industry. Was this over your
dead body?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
How do you mean? I was the one that made
the decision at the beginning of the year that I
didn't like the fact that there was a review of
the damage to race resting hounds in twenty thirteen, another
review in twenty seventeen is a substantial review, and a
further one in twenty twenty one, and I all pointed
to the fact that there were too many serious injuries
(03:40):
and too many dogs unaccountable. Out of the end, we
made the decision, did it very confidentially, went of course
to every other political party and said either it's now
never to do the right thing by these dogs. And
we have got a vote of two of one hundred
and twenty two to do it, passed the legislation all
in the space of two hours and one alfternoon this week.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
You've been in politics since nineteen seventy eight, or in
parliament since nineteen seventy eight. As a nation, right here,
right now, are we the most divided we've been since, say,
nineteen eighty one on the Springbok tour.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I believe more divided than eighty one. Were more divided
now because of the attitude of certain people who in
our society, and do I say at certain political parties.
I can look at political parties in Parliament and say
that the founding members of your party wouldn't recognize you now,
and it scarce daylight because some of the stories you're
hearing out of this parliament comes right out of the
(04:36):
Marxist playbook. They're not to do with the party's beliefs
in say the Green Movement or the Values Party of
nine seventy two. Dare I say it that moped into
the Green Party and the Latter Party these days? I
mean they something like the Party of Kirk and Savage
and people like that know nearly on about all these
issues are to do to do with minority, while the
mass majority of pay all the taxes are simply ignored.
(04:59):
So I know this is the worst I've ever seen it,
But we're not going to let them get away with it.
We're going to turn that around.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Twenty twenty five. Prospects for twenty twenty five. We are
going to have on January the twentieth, a new leader
of the free world. And I put it to you
that Donald Trump, even though he's only President elect, has
made a solid, almost statesman like start to his second term.
Do you agree?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yes? I do regret that also we have made sure
when well before the November elections that we were getting
ready for a change in the American government, not because
we end uppearing with other countries politics, but because you've
got to have a pretty good idea what's going to happen,
and you plan for it. And so we had many
people being put in place as early as a year
ago before the twenty twenty four election in America ready
(05:47):
for that the events should there be a change, and
so we were hitting the ground running there and we
work as hard as we can to ensure that we've
got the closest alignment with the new administration, as we
need to do with every country we do to with.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
There's twenty twenty five going to be a tough year
for you handing over that Deputy prime minister's role to
your arch nemesis. Can I call them that, David Seymour?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Now, I don't look at things that way. I look
at the possibilities going forward, and that's the reason why
we're in great shape, why we have been so high
in our polls in all year, ranking far harder than
what the polls are saying out there in public. We
are very confident. This has been a massively substantial bill
year for a party called New Zealand First, and we've
packed the halls like no other party has. We've had
(06:32):
orders over a nine hundred and parts of this country
when nobody else know the political players have got anything
like that figure. But out in the province is where
it matters. It's own great.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I got a text final one I'm going to finish
with this from a mate of mine on the media
who said, I never thought I would say this, but
I'm voting New Zealand First. I am loving Winnie and Martua.
So there you go. You've got one more vote than
you had yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
There on there we got to tens and tens of
thousands coming around that way and it shows in our
party sport base.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, I'm just worried I might be a New Zealand
First voter. As I said at the beginning of the interview,
Winston help me.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Well, now, if you're going to be in New Zealand
First voter, we do want you to be long on
the lip and slow on the hip, So start helping
out properly. Okay, the tough job. Other parties are loaded
with millions and millions of dollars. You know how I've
little we've been given by way of money because New
Zealand First stands for New Zealand first and the Union
people first. That's why we're not popular in certain sectors,
but that doesn't matter. It's the reason why we're the
(07:34):
most successful new party in New Zealand's political history of
recent decades. Now that said, you have a great Christmas
and your listeners have a wonderful Christmas as well. Look
after yourselves and get ready for a bright, tough new year.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well you enjoy a break to and enjoy a micais
I see you later. Thanks for being on the show
in twenty twenty four. I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Well, thank you very much. It's been very edifying experience
having to put up with these questions. Never mind, I've
enjoyed it my self.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, Onceton, thank you Onceton. Winston Peters
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