February 16, 2025 • 6 mins
One of our leading primary sector academics says we should not pull out of the Paris Climate Agreement and that tourism is not the answer to doubling exports.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Love chatting to this lady on the country. A name
is doctor Jacqueline Rois, of course one of our leading
primary sector academics. Jaqueline. I was hoping to get on
the show today Bruce Kottrell, who is a herald business
columnist well known podcaster, because I was reading something he
wrote over the weekend about why we should be kicking
(00:20):
the Paris agreement to touch Now I know I'll get
a disagreement from you on that. Why should we stay
in there trade?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's all part of a lot of our trade deals,
particularly the recent ones of course, but with the countries
that have signed up doing better every year in terms
of the environment, and that screenhouse gases in particular for
them is very important, and we are doing better and
we are better than most of the rest of the
world per kilo of product. So this actually involvement puts
(00:53):
us in a good position. And never forget that the
goals we create, how much by when that is actually
set by us, it's our nationally determined contribution. So there's
a bit of a debate about whether national should have
made the drops required by the next time period greater,
but the fact is it is better than it was
(01:15):
I mean, it is tighter than it was, and we
are on a positive.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
View, but hang on, Jacquelin, only by one percent. It's tokenism.
But the other thing.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Is not when you're already good.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Okay, but yeah, but we're not hang on, we're not
going to reach that fifty percent goal by twenty thirty.
It's unattainable.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Twenty fifty, but not by twenty thirty. Absolutely agreed. And
all the theories about massive technological disruption with methane whatever's
and we keep forgetting about methane is actually there in
the cow or in the revemant for a reason, as
in it protects the animals from acidosis. So disruption and
(02:00):
there's not always a good idea. So let's do some
biological enhancing of productivity. And we do that through research
and development in our pastoral based systems that nobody else
really has, which is a course by our product is
regarded as free range, graph fed, all of those sorts
of things with high animal welfare. And we're in a
(02:21):
good position to be able to supply the protein. You know,
it's unprocessed fruit. You don't need to do very much
to milk or meat to make it notable. You like
the that stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
All right, I want to move on because there's you know,
Luxon's all about growth, doubling exports in the next decade,
blah blah blah, And I get all that, and I
kind of figured dairy as our biggest industry, is going
to have to do some of the heavy lifting. But
the one that it slightly annoys me, and it always
has is tourism. You know, there was a time when
tourism was supposedly earning more export dollars for US than dairy.
(02:57):
But it's a false economy because tourism are two ways straight. Yes,
we get tourists in here and they've missed the place up,
some of them. But b we export a lot of
our dollars overseas when we go touring.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, and most of the hotels or car rental properties
are car rental companies that are in New Zealand are
not owned by New Zealanders. So it was the Professor
Sor Paul Callahan who said every tourist in this country
makes us poorer. Most of the jobs associated with tourism
are low paid. So I think our Prime Minister is
(03:33):
right in terms of his explanation. We need to grow
the economy, and that will allow people to have better jobs,
better lifestyles, all of those sorts of things. I just
think I'm with you in thinking you picked your biggest
industry that actually brings new money into the country and
support it. And saying we'll double the export from a
(03:56):
new widget when it's only tiny is not going to
make a difference.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You're on the board of dairy in Z. You're also
on the board of Ravenstown, right, you're still.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
On the board of that, and yeah, and deer Industry
end Z.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, you're on every board. It'll be quicker to name
the boards you're not on. Okay, how realistic is it
for us to increase dairy production? And I'm talking about
from an environmental point of.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
View here there are technologists and these are obvious technologies,
things like putting shelters in and capturing nutrients so that
the animals that are out grazing for the time they
want to be, then they come back to their shelter,
get their top up on their food according to whether
it's wet, sloppy grass, or haid off grass, so that
they're actually fed to peak nutrition and they're in a
(04:42):
cooler or drier or warmer depending on the season environment,
and they go straight to the milking parlor I'm British,
it's a parlor, and then they can go back out
to fresh pasture. And that, for instance, is a very
good way of capturing nutrients and ensuring that the animal
is peak peak athlete getting back into carves producing the milk,
(05:04):
and that's what helps lower the greenhouse gases.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
But it's also a high cost system. Don't we pride
ourselves on being totally grass feed or nearly totally grass
feed and having an open range of free range system.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
They are free range because they get choices about what
they do. That's the theory about free range. And in
terms of low cost, well, we've been beaten on that
because of immigrant labor and other countries for a long time,
maybe fourteen yews. So what we are is focused on
high welfare for all our animals, not necessary, but high
(05:36):
welfare and ensuring as the environment changes that the animals
are able to be looked after to be healthy as
well as productive. And surely that's what everybody wants.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
There we go, doctor Jeckwell and Roweth. You can read
all about it on our website The Country dot co.
Dot nz. She doesn't want to do a Trump and
get us out of the Paris Agreement. Check will and
always good
Speaker 2 (05:58):
To change yeah by
Love chatting to this lady on the country. A name
is doctor Jacqueline Rois, of course one of our leading
primary sector academics. Jaqueline. I was hoping to get on
the show today Bruce Kottrell, who is a herald business
columnist well known podcaster, because I was reading something he
wrote over the weekend about why we should be kicking
(00:20):
the Paris agreement to touch Now I know I'll get
a disagreement from you on that. Why should we stay
in there trade?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's all part of a lot of our trade deals,
particularly the recent ones of course, but with the countries
that have signed up doing better every year in terms
of the environment, and that screenhouse gases in particular for
them is very important, and we are doing better and
we are better than most of the rest of the
world per kilo of product. So this actually involvement puts
(00:53):
us in a good position. And never forget that the
goals we create, how much by when that is actually
set by us, it's our nationally determined contribution. So there's
a bit of a debate about whether national should have
made the drops required by the next time period greater,
but the fact is it is better than it was
(01:15):
I mean, it is tighter than it was, and we
are on a positive.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
View, but hang on, Jacquelin, only by one percent. It's tokenism.
But the other thing.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Is not when you're already good.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Okay, but yeah, but we're not hang on, we're not
going to reach that fifty percent goal by twenty thirty.
It's unattainable.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Twenty fifty, but not by twenty thirty. Absolutely agreed. And
all the theories about massive technological disruption with methane whatever's
and we keep forgetting about methane is actually there in
the cow or in the revemant for a reason, as
in it protects the animals from acidosis. So disruption and
(02:00):
there's not always a good idea. So let's do some
biological enhancing of productivity. And we do that through research
and development in our pastoral based systems that nobody else
really has, which is a course by our product is
regarded as free range, graph fed, all of those sorts
of things with high animal welfare. And we're in a
(02:21):
good position to be able to supply the protein. You know,
it's unprocessed fruit. You don't need to do very much
to milk or meat to make it notable. You like
the that stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
All right, I want to move on because there's you know,
Luxon's all about growth, doubling exports in the next decade,
blah blah blah, And I get all that, and I
kind of figured dairy as our biggest industry, is going
to have to do some of the heavy lifting. But
the one that it slightly annoys me, and it always
has is tourism. You know, there was a time when
tourism was supposedly earning more export dollars for US than dairy.
(02:57):
But it's a false economy because tourism are two ways straight. Yes,
we get tourists in here and they've missed the place up,
some of them. But b we export a lot of
our dollars overseas when we go touring.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, and most of the hotels or car rental properties
are car rental companies that are in New Zealand are
not owned by New Zealanders. So it was the Professor
Sor Paul Callahan who said every tourist in this country
makes us poorer. Most of the jobs associated with tourism
are low paid. So I think our Prime Minister is
(03:33):
right in terms of his explanation. We need to grow
the economy, and that will allow people to have better jobs,
better lifestyles, all of those sorts of things. I just
think I'm with you in thinking you picked your biggest
industry that actually brings new money into the country and
support it. And saying we'll double the export from a
(03:56):
new widget when it's only tiny is not going to
make a difference.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You're on the board of dairy in Z. You're also
on the board of Ravenstown, right, you're still.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
On the board of that, and yeah, and deer Industry
end Z.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, you're on every board. It'll be quicker to name
the boards you're not on. Okay, how realistic is it
for us to increase dairy production? And I'm talking about
from an environmental point of.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
View here there are technologists and these are obvious technologies,
things like putting shelters in and capturing nutrients so that
the animals that are out grazing for the time they
want to be, then they come back to their shelter,
get their top up on their food according to whether
it's wet, sloppy grass, or haid off grass, so that
they're actually fed to peak nutrition and they're in a
(04:42):
cooler or drier or warmer depending on the season environment,
and they go straight to the milking parlor I'm British,
it's a parlor, and then they can go back out
to fresh pasture. And that, for instance, is a very
good way of capturing nutrients and ensuring that the animal
is peak peak athlete getting back into carves producing the milk,
(05:04):
and that's what helps lower the greenhouse gases.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
But it's also a high cost system. Don't we pride
ourselves on being totally grass feed or nearly totally grass
feed and having an open range of free range system.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
They are free range because they get choices about what
they do. That's the theory about free range. And in
terms of low cost, well, we've been beaten on that
because of immigrant labor and other countries for a long time,
maybe fourteen yews. So what we are is focused on
high welfare for all our animals, not necessary, but high
(05:36):
welfare and ensuring as the environment changes that the animals
are able to be looked after to be healthy as
well as productive. And surely that's what everybody wants.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
There we go, doctor Jeckwell and Roweth. You can read
all about it on our website The Country dot co.
Dot nz. She doesn't want to do a Trump and
get us out of the Paris Agreement. Check will and
always good
Speaker 2 (05:58):
To change yeah by
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