April 10, 2025 • 38 mins
Jamie Mackay talks to Chris Brandolino, Nathan Guy, Barry Soper, Stu Duncan and Stu Loe.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Catch all the latest from the land. It's the Country
Podcast with Jamie mckaye.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks to Brent.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're specialist in John Deer construction equipment.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Get a New Zealand Welcome to the Country. My name
is Jamie McKay. Rock Set Friday. Don't ask me why
Michelle chuck it in there. We'll hear from her a
wee bit later in the air with Rural News. Got
sports news for you as well. But it's a special
day today, It's Winston's birthday, so we're going to talk
about that with Barrysoprah a bit later in the hour.
(01:01):
Nathan Guy, former Minister of agg Chair of the Meat
Industry Association, State of the industry which was pretty good,
or it was pretty good until Trump came along with
his tariffs. I we'll have a look at the red
meat Industry Farmer panel today Stu Duncan and Stu Low
see how they're getting on and kick it off. I'll
(01:22):
just leave you with a wee bit of rock set
for a moment. And the reason you've got a bit
of rock set was because I was trying to drag
up my knee were drought index map and I've got
it right in front of me at the moment. He
is from newer They're going to be merged shortly with
met Service. Our old mate Phil Duncan's been calling that
(01:45):
for years. Chris Brandolino, Chris, are you guys at neewhere?
I see are going to be the senior partners over
met Service? Good afternoon, Oh.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Good afternoon.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I don't know if for coffee.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah, I mean he was acquiring that service, but will
become one entity and so yeah, I guess that answers
your question.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
No, I was listening to commentary I think on with
Ryan Bridge last night on z B, like six hundred
people at ne Worth three hundred met Service. Don't quote
me on those numbers something like that. Does it take
that many people to do a weather forecast?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Chris?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh gosh, Jamie, come on, you know we do a
lot more than you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
No. I know you do that, but it seems to
me this is a logical merger that should I well,
should we ever have had two government departments?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well, look in nineteen ninety two is when the split happened,
and you know, so we're being reunited. Were used to
be one. I think that's important to remember. But back
to your question, it's not one thousands doing weather forecasting.
I mean you were with it six or six hundred
and fifty people, whatever the number is. You know, we
we have fisheries, we do atmospheric readings, we have fresh
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water science. We have a lot of science platforms that
covers basically every facet of the hydrological cycle. You know,
from the water falling from the cloud, to the water
hitting the ground, to the water going into the streams
into the oceans, and then the water leaving the surface
of the earth as you know, from the oceans and
the streams back into the cloud. So our breath is
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much wider than just weather forecasting. We happen to do
that pretty well, and we happen to do long range
forecasting quite well. And I think with the coming together
with met Service, it's something we need to do as
an organization. This is going to benefit ends at INK,
and this is needed for Ends at INK. It's such
a positive way. This is such a unique opportunity if
you were to go to any organization internationally and say, hey,
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you have an opportunity to kind of redo things from
a side perspective with your meteorological agencies, with the emergency
of data science. You know, would you want that opportunity?
I can't imagine anyone declining that. So this is such
a unique and golden opportunity and I'm so looking forward
to the future. I really am good on you.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Okay, Look the North Island drought, is it over? In fact,
before we start with the North Island drought and whether
it's over, I'm looking at your drought index map and
on the South Island the only dry buts in this
map was effective from when the eighth which is two
or three days ago. But look, the only dry parts
was sort of and we're going to be going there
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a wee bit later in the air with their farmer
panel sort of that Inland, Central Otago, manny A Toto region,
a bit around Murchison and just the Mulborough sounds. Other
than that, the South Island's clear. It's looking good.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, Southound's looking pretty good. It's the North Island, as
we know, that has been given us trouble. We had
the rain last week which was a real real benefit.
But look, farmers know this, and you know this, Jamie. Look,
if you're a million dollars in the hall and you
want a ten thousand dollars scratchy. That's great, but you
need more than that, right, And even when drought and
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dryness does, and which it will, but even when it does,
and it's the effects of dryness and drought that do
pre even longer. So the soy moistures. I'm looking at
the so and moisture map, so that drought index, just
taking a step back, that drought index map that you
were referring to. It's a longer sort of look back,
so it's a two month look back. So recent rainfall
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i e. Last week, that will certainly help things. But
because we're looking longer back than that, there will be
a slowness in terms of where that relief really occurs
because it takes time and looking at the soy and
moisture and normally where the soils unusually wet and usually
dry after that rainfall, well, it's Northland, it's the Auckland
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region where we have soils actually on the wet side
for the time of year. But unfortunately Watcott, though particularly
eastern Canterbury, particularly overboard the northern parts of the Manawatu
Horizons and the central part of the North Island unusually
dry soils and especially towards coastal water Appa. That is
where we're seeing the dry soil for the time of year,
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and we're going to get rain Jamie, and we're going
to get potentially some heavy rain. So as we look
ahead toward the second half of next week, I know
school holidays upon us, we do have to look to
the north. We've kind of mentioned this before. Another rain
bearing system will be coming from the north. There's still
uncertainty whereas a travel how strong is it, how fast
does it move. All these things are going to factor
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in where the heaviest rain and the strongest wind occurs.
But for those listening in Northland, Auckland Regions, Wakato, particularly Grimandel,
Hawk's Bay, tadafadigue Gisbin, I think certainly pays high attention
to the forecast and watch for those warnings and watches
from Met Service because that is where we're going to
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find potentially some active weather second half next week, getting
close to good Friday.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Okay. Just to finish on the temperatures, rain fall, moist
just one part of growing grass. The other part of
the equation is the soil temperatures, which is driven obviously
by the ear. Temperatures are we going to have a
bit of an Indian summer, because that would be good.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I think temperatures are going to favor warmth with this
low coming from the north. So for those in the
North Island we will see temperatures increasing. That will come
out of cost with the rainfall which we want.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Obviously.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
For the South Island, we are going to see a
puff of chilly air move on or probably sometimes Sunday night,
your neck of the woods get a get a bit
of gusty wind, he said for Southland and eastern Otago
Dunners for Saturday. Then that front moves through probably the
southerly chained time on Monday with some showers, so you
get a couple of cool, if not chilly days. But
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then I think temperatures kind of warm back up. In
terms of the longer rains, Jamie, we are expecting that
temperatures are going to favor warmer than average values, warmer
than average spells over the coming weeks and months, particularly
as you work away through the rest of autumn and
in two winter. Of course, of course it'll be cold
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snaps and we'll start to see frost. But I think
the message is that we're probably going to see less
of those than what is typical as we mature through
autumn and into the start of winter. The early outlook
for winter, and this is not our official outlook, but
if you're looking for some tea leaves here, we'll probably
see I probably see warmer than usual temperatures. We're favoring
east to northeasterly winds as we progress through autumn and
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into winter. Doesn't mean every week will be east to northeast,
just that'll probably that'll be a theme. And look, the
wind ain't coming from the south. Part of my grammar.
It ain't gonna get cold. So that's how things are
lining up. We'll obviously keep a look at that. Actually,
we had some new climate that command, so I have
to hand up the phone and scour through that. And
maybe when we talk next time we'll have that. I'm
off a few days next week, Jamie, so if we
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want to talk, let's talk Monday or Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Okay, mate, you go, Well, there we go. Chris Brendolino
from newa It is quarter past twelve, Rock sid nineties.
We're going to go, well, we are we going back
to the nineties. We're going back further than the nineties. Today,
we're going back to the seventies when Winston and Barry
Soper entered Parliament roughly at about the same time when
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he's offshore at the moment as our Minister of Foreign Affairs.
He's doing a good job, as is Todd McLay as
Minister I've Trade. You certainly can't complain about their lack
of energy in that job. But up next it's a
guy who used to be a Minister of Agriculture. He's
a horror Fenoa dairy farmer and will get his take
on whether the drought's over. He's also the chair of
(09:28):
the Meat Industry Association, Nathan Guy. Before the end of
the hour the Farmer Panel, Stu Duncan and Stu Low,
Barry Soper and where are all the bodies buried? Fifty
years nearly fifty years in politics with Winston. I think
you'll enjoy it all coming up before the end of
the hour on the country, so as fate would have
(10:17):
at Winston Peters is not the only one having a
birthday today. This guy's having one former Minister of Agriculture
these days, chair of the Meat Industry Association. I got
him on to talk about Trump and his tariffs. But
Nathan Guy, happy fifty fifth birthday.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Yeah, your research is very good, Jamie, thanks very much
for that. I'm feeling young at heart.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well, so you should. You're still a very fit man,
still out there running around like a spring chicken. So
good on you. Well, let's start with is it your
day job as a farmer? I don't know if I
can say that, but you're a horror fan or a
dairy farmer. Is the drought over in your neck of.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
The woods, Yes, there's, Jamie, Thank goodness. I'm standing on
a sand hill overlooking the farm, dropping up some firewood
to my dear mother, and I'm seeing green grass most places,
but it was very tough.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
It's wine and the clock back.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
A couple of weeks we were very desperate for rain.
We've had little bits of rain, but just not enough.
Even right now it's greened up, but we still need
to follow up rain. And that's right the way through
to the longing Taranaki. I haven't been up in the
white keaddow for a while, but I hear that's pretty
bad too.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, hopefully this is the start. This is the green
shoots and I hate that terminology. Are we seeing any
green shoots out of Trump and as tariffs. I mean
to be honest, we don't know what the hell's happening there.
But I was reading something online yesterday saying that beef
is so much in demand in the US that they're
happy to pay the ten percent tariff.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Yes, that's right, that's the feedback I'm getting. There'll still
be a few games that we played at the border
with importers, I'm sure, But the reality is coming off
the back of a very prolonged to the heard rebuild,
worst in about fifty three years. So it's a shortage
of beef. The world is a state of flux, so
isn't it, Jamie. At the moment, no one quite knows
what to believe and what's happening. I see that China's
(12:10):
now got a tariff over one hundred percent, so that's bizarre.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
We don't know what product's going.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
To end up were, but the demand out of the
US my belief it will still be strong. They love
their hamburgers. I heard a stat the other day. I
think it's three a week they consume. So we're a
big part of that, and let's over continue.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
The big problem for US, though, is not a ten
percent tariff on sending meat into our biggest red meat
market are the US. It's the collateral damage around the
rest of the world that's going to affect us as
a trading nation, and it's a bit like farming and
the weather. We have no control over that.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
No, that's right.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
But what I would say is our exporters are very nimble,
they are very adaptable, and they're thinking and freight channels
and looking at markets and the not being here before.
If you think about the national Land that we celebrated recently,
it's a long time ago since that first shipment of
sheep meat went up to the UK, and our markets
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have grown, We've adapted, consumer tastes have growing. So I
take my hat off to exporters. The vagaries of trade
is real, and I've been dealing with it a long time.
It just so happens that this is quite bizarre what's
happening at the moment.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Nathan Guy with US, chair of the Meat Industry Association.
The really good news story, in some ways surprising story
of this season has been the renaissance of lamb eight
dollars a quilo or better, and it wasn't really predicted.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
No that's right, and my mates and the sheep farmers
are feeling a lot of love at the moment.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
And that's come off.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
The back of two very tough years, so feeling a
lot more confident than their returns. There's a lot of
catch up spending that needs to happen in sheep and
beef land and no doubt banks will.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Be relieved, but there'll be a lot of R and
M that they need to do.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
So yeah, it's strong in the US, it's looking not
too bad in the UK and EU. So for sheep
meat farmers, good time shit to come and hopefully they're.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Going to hang around for a while.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
And good news that the government's decided to invest a
bit in Warwin near government buildings, so that's another positive
announcement to speak, well.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
That's a very positive announcement. What about Luckson's talk of
a trade block outside the US.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Well, I thought that there was a so called little
stash between he and Winston Peters. I didn't think it
was that at all. Prime Minister lucks is doing what
you should be doing, and that's ringing other prime ministers
and taking a bit of a heat temperature check from
them and the Foreign Afairs Minister is saying, well, let's
pull our jets and see what happens between the US
and China. So I think what they're both doing and
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saying is absolutely correct.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
We need call heads, but we need to be.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Talking to our very strong trading partners where Prime Minister
Luckx is built up relationships and it's great to see that.
Todd mcclay's up there in the UAE at a massive
investment summit, So you know there's a lot of things
happening in the space that are very positive. But we
know right now we've got a strong headwind in our
face as well.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Tom McLay, by the way, I think it's doing a
great job, Brady, are you're blowing out fifty five candles today?
Winston eighty, he's got a cast iron constitution, that man.
He is in a lot of ways, Nathan the most
influential politician of our lifetime.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Well, I know Winston from my fifteen years in Parliament
and I've had a lot of respect and still respect
his work, ethic and what he's doing for us on
the international stage. So I think that he's had a
fantastic political career and who knows how long it will last,
but certainly right now.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
He's got a bit of a springer step. I wish
him happy birthday.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
It's a lot of candles to blow out, more than mine.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well, there's also thirty one candles being blown out by
me today. It's not my birthday, but it's the birth
day of Radio Hocken Neily Limited. So on this day,
thirty one years ago, not as long as you're fifty
five or Winston's eighty, A guy by the name of
Lee Piper and another guy by the name of grat
Nisbet and myself set up a little radio station and
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gore the little station that could, and it's still going.
I'm very proud of it.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Yeah, well done, Jamie, and I thought it was appropriate.
You got your recognition in the honors last year.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
And let's all raise a toast to the primary sector tonight.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Let's raise a toast to Winston eighty. Not out, Nathan guy,
thank you very much for your time. Thanks mate, Thanks
Nathan twenty eight. No, it's not as twenty six. Can't
even read twenty six after twelve. Yeah, so thirty one
years ago. Congratulations lads. Piper if you're listening, Lizbo probably
not listening, great silent partner, great man, still going. He's
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called over half the test matches that New Zealand's ever played.
What a legend. He's sort of the rugby sporting commentary,
the equivalent of Winston. He's been around forever and I
think the pair of them are getting better with age. So, Michelle,
what were you doing in the late eighties? They were
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like a brief flame rock set nineteen eighty nine to
nineteen ninety four. We used to play them on Hakanui
in the early days. Did you ever play Holkanui and
your stint is a jock on Radio Kluther you got
all the big gigs dead.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
Yeah, we probably did play rock set. I'm sure it
was in the regular rotation at some point.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Ah, there we go. Of course, Radio Clouth is just
a computer rack now is it even that?
Speaker 7 (17:37):
I don't even know if there's anything even in that
building anymore.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
No, there's well, there's a computer rack and another building
and it's just HOULKANII these days, but ah, those were
the days, the entrepreneurial days, way back when. Anyhow, we're
going to take a break and I want to actually
announce the winner. In fact, I'll do it, I'll get
organized and I'll announced the final winner for our PGG
Rights and on the Fence fencing promo. It's been a
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lot of fun. The question was is rugby or Super
Rugby Rugby preferable to the NRL. Your options were yes, no,
or sit on the fence. We'll give you the results
after the break.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Never calls it like a ring glove.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
She's reading the look.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Heavenly because they's.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Got a numbers.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Bang on twelve thirty year with the Country brought to
you by Brent. This is the one that kicked it
off for rock Set way back in nineteen eighty nine.
Now we were teasing, as we're taught to do in
radio teasing the PGG Rights and Fencing promo. You can
sit on the fence, you can say no, oh, yes.
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The question yes was super Rugby is preferable to the NRL.
So you had to say yes, no or sit on
the fence. Nineteen percent of you said no, fifty nine
percent of you said yes, and twenty two percent sat
on the fence. And our winner was Tim Hindmarsh from
Hawks Bay. Well done, Tim, You're going to get that
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Everything you want for your fencing and it is the
fencing season. Once the stock work slows down on the farm.
You can get all those fences fixed now and through
winter we'll build a new one. Michelle does nothing finer
and I can say this is a former farmer. Then
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I think plowing a paddock is great and building a
fence is great simply because with both of those jobs
you can look back at the end of the day
and see what you've done.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Building is not one of my fortes. It wouldn't be
stratified it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
No, Well, I'm pretty useless, like mechanically, but I was
quite a good fencer because I was kind of a
and when I really liked straight lines. So you've got
to be fussy to be a good fencer, I reckon. Anyhow,
you've got rural news I think let's do that.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
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Speaker 7 (20:40):
And last night marked the last of the regionals for
the Balance Farm Environment towards an Invercargol Dear farmer Cam
Nelson of Nelson Farming Company was crowned the Regional Supreme
winner for the Invercargol region. So up next as the
National Showcase in June, we're all Supreme Regional winners will
be considered for the Gordon Stevenson Trophy.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Mate Block A Drysdale. He got a prize or two,
didn't he.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Yeah, there there were so many down there. I was
talking to Andy Murror about it earlier this morning and
because we catch up in the morning sometimes and yeah,
he was down there, enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Great award yep. Okay, well done to everyone there, including
the Horrors. They were involved in that as well. Okay,
So that is your rural news. Looking forward to that
National showcase. I think they call it the Sustainability Showcase.
Some great farmers over the years having one Steve and
Harrison never won and he still saw about that. Grant
and Bernie wellerbout him. That was tragedy for Steve, but
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good for the Wellers. Good Riversdale folk and of course
Jane Smith. Jane and Blair Smith are regular here on
the country, also winners of the Balance Farm Environment Awards
his Sport.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Sport with AFCO. Visit them online at AFCO dot co
dot enzed.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Peter Berling is holmed Team New Zealand in the America's
Cup for the final time. Syndicate boss Grant Dalton claims
Burling's exit is a mutual decision. Paul the other one, Grant.
It plays jingle bells. The skipper and three time Cup
winner has been in discussions with Tea Men's ed since
Barcelona around the next editions, but discussions failed to reach
(22:10):
an agreement for Berlin to continue. Dalton says the team
I need certainty with the next Cup only a bit
more than two years away, and in the golf it
looks like it looks like Rory McElroy's a big supporter.
Michelle of the Waikato Rural Support Trust.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Are you about to lose a bet?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Well, not about to lose it, but I thought i'd
have This is Sam Owen, who was one of the
keynote speakers side the South Islandery event. We had a
wee side bet as who would finish top or in
it whatever, whoever finished above the other one. He took Hoveland,
I took McElroy. Hoveland's one under finishing the day and
Rory was going great guns. He was four under at
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one stage storming home and he did a Jamie McKay.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Well, that's golf, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Well, she's got no excuse. I have lack of ability,
but like he's just I don't think he's destined to
win another major. I hope I'm wrong. It's but English
goal for Justin Rose has opened up with a three
stroke lead after the first round of the Masters. The
twenty thirteen US Open winner and twenty sixteen Olympic champion
has enjoyed a seven hunder par sixty five at Augusta,
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and that included a bogie on the last hole. So
well done, Justin Rose. Up next, we might actually go
to Barry's soaper because this is did you realize this
is Barrie's last day? I better get him out of
the road because I think he's got to go and
take Junior. There were girls called Mackay.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
Yeah, I'm very proud of that, aren't we We are?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Yeah, well, Barry's and Mackay on his mother's side. But
he's got to take Junior for a walk, I think,
or something like that. So we'll go to him next.
Before the end of the hour, it is the Farmer panel,
Stu Duncan and Stuloh. It's all on the country.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Baby.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Here's Apple, the cool correspondent of long long standing Barry Soper.
He's been around for a long time. He knows where
all the bodies are buried. We're going to pay tribute
to Winston peters Berry. But this is your bit of
a treat for me today, even though we are cousins.
It's your last day on the job before paternity leave,
which means for z B listeners, heathers back on Monday.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So that's the good and the bad, I assume, Jamie, no,
not at all. Well, it'll be over to the listeners
to decide.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Hey, we could talk about the treaty Principal's bill getting
kicked to touch. I'm sick of that. The wombat Greens.
I can't even bother Trump and his tariffs is done
to death. But I want to talk about talking about
where all the bodies are buried. You and Winston Peters.
No one goes as far back with Winston as you.
In fact, you both started in parliament about the same time.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Ah, yeah, you're right there, Jamie. He in fact came
into parliament in nineteen seventy eight and then went out
for a spell in nineteen eighty one and came back
in nineteen eighty four. And that's been the hallmark of
Winston's career, sort of being dumped out of the political
limelight for a while, right back in the full limelight,
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as he did of course in twenty twenty three. But
the first time I ever met Winston was interested was
at a National Party conference in Dunedin, of all places,
and Don McKinnon introduced me to Winston Peters and from
the very start we had an argument, and Winston accused
me of sending his predecessor in a seat, that was
(25:35):
Keith Allen, who was known for the Ministry of Silly Walks,
or the Minister of He said, you send him to
an early grave. Well, very little to do with his hypoglycema.
But nevertheless Winston got off to that start with me,
and we've had an up and down roller coaster ride
ever since. Jamie. But look like or dislike Winston. Formidable politician.
(26:02):
He knows probably better than most, or certainly better than
most in the current crop how to woo the public.
And prior to the twenty twenty three election, when Winston
was out of my hustings starting to pull in the crowds,
I said he'll be back, And sure enough Winston's back,
not just back, but fully back. Deputy Prime minister well
(26:25):
for another less than a month, and of course Foreign Minister,
a job he excels and one that he loves.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well, let's go back in time because I did a
wee bit of research and you'll know this anyhow, but
our listeners might be interested in this. Deputy Prime Minister
under Bulger Shipley are Dern and Luxon. Now he got
what sacked from how many of those jobs too?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yes, and he got sacked by Jenny Shipley. They never
got on well at all. Helen Clark liked him right
until the end. They got on pretty well. I think
she would speak pretty fond the album.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
He was difficult at times. I mean I had a
major running with him, in the United States once, where
he wouldn't let us know what his itinerary was when
he was going to be rebuilding our relationship with the
United States. We were so, we were told, so three
of us decided to trail them out there. It was like,
where's Wally in Washington because he wouldn't let us know
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where he was going. But in the end I discovered
because I've got some contacts there in the Senate, he
was going to see John McCain, and McCain, of course,
became the Republican nominee in the following presidential run. McCain
I rang his office. He said, yes, of course, come up.
You're welcome to have a chat to us. Before the
meeting starts, Winston comes along the corridor and sees us. Furious.
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He was said, what are you doing here? And we said, well,
you're affording the approchemont with the United States, Winston, we'd
like to be in on it and have a look
at it. So they allowed us into the meeting. At
the start, McCain was raving about how if he was
in the position of power, that the anti nuclear issue
would no longer be one an impediment for the United
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States and our relationship, so.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
It was good news.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Winston kicked us out of the meeting in the end,
interrupted McCain, and then put out a press statement back
home saying that we had gatecrash the meeting. So I
went on he is saying, well, that is actually untrue.
Speaker 9 (28:28):
We didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
We were invited to it. When I got back, Helen
Clark had me out to her office and apologized on
behalf of Winston. No apology from Winston, of course, and
we had a bit of a falling out there and
he refused to take me or allow me to go
on a trip to North Korea with him, which was
a bit disappointed about. But now we get along like
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a house on fire.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, as you said, excels As Minister of Foreign Affairs,
he's had that job under Clark, Dern and Luxon. Interestingly,
when he set up New Zealand first and nineteen ninety.
I mean he's obviously been the leader since then, but
he's had six deputies from toe Heneray to Shane Jones.
So some colorful characters in there, Berry.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Oh, absolutely, and he tends to attract them. And again
with your like or dislike Shane Jones, I love him
in the house because he's entertaining. He's like as though
he's preaching from the pulpit and does it so well.
And Winston and he get on very well. I would
imagine Shane Jones would see himself as the successor to
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Winston after Winston finally gets out. But look, he might
be eighty, but he's picking along pretty well. I had
a drink with him late last year. He's ticking along
very well as stut as ever. And in fact, you know,
I wouldn't be surprised. In fact, I would expect it
that he'll be running again in next year's election. Now.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
They used to say him and Bulge around the country
over a whiskey bottle back in the day, and he
was a bit notorious, the old green parrots and all that.
And I've had the good fortune of his company. You
were there as well, a wonderful lunch that turned into
an eve remember that all those years ago. But anyhow,
he's notorious for his nocturnal behavior. But is he on
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a health kick at the moment?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Oh well, it was suggested I think on Mike Hosking
by Mike Hosking this morning, that he is on a
health kick. But look, Winston is a social being. He
likes nothing more than to sit around and have a drink.
And I was last year. Late last year, I was
in Wellington. We sat around, had a good old matter.
He loves having a talk, loves debating politics. You can
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take issue with him, He'll give back as much as
he gets. And that's his relationship with the media. He's
pretty hard on the media. But of course now I
think I've sort of got so long in the tooth
that he tolerates me more than he used to do.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
He's currently our eighth longest serving politician, thirty seven years.
In a bit, I'm just serving politician as a guy
by the name of Rex Mason. I've never heard of him.
He served for forty years, one hundred and ninety three days,
and I'm just doing the quick maths on the back
of an envelope here. If Winston does another term, he
will break that record.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah. But the thing is, you've got to remember, and
I've always reminded Winston, I've actually been involved in politics
longer than he has, because he's had several breaks from
the politics, being losing one election and coming back the next.
Whereas my record Jomie dear, I say that began in
nineteen eighty in the press gallery in Parliament, and I'm
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still doing it. I don't know how many years that
has been as well, over.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Forty Well, Barry, enjoy your paternity leave, if such a thing,
if such a thing as possible. This is coming from
a former house husband. And we look forward to your
hearing you back, hearing your dulcet tones back. Should I
say on news talks, they'd be looking forward to hear
the coming back next week as well.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Good on you, Jamie, and I'm talking to you.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Good on your bears. It is fourteen away from one
Barry soap. But not everyone is enamored with Winston.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
He is one.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
He is device of I guess Winston is massively overrated,
says one texture, just another slippery politician hooked on the
borbles of power. Well that was Winston saying the borbles
of office, wasn't I had to look up what a
borbull was. It's a decoration on a Christmas tree, yea.
So you do learn new words up next door before
the end of the hour, it's the farmer panel, stud
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Duncan and Stulo welcome back to the country. Just getting
a hold of farmer panels, stud Duncan and Stulo will
be with you in a tick lads. But a big
shout out we had Greg Miller in the studio yesterday
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give a big shout out to Michael Holdsworth who's been
in the IHC Lie Ibrian Wellington there for thirty years.
Listens every day, Love you Michael. Every listener is a prisoner.
Michelle's been doing the numbers on the Super Rugby and
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even though I'm bombing badly to Sam Owen and the
Master's Golf, I don't know why I bother betting. How
about taking Moana Pacifica paying five dollars seventy five for
unders against the Blues tomorrow. I think there's going to
be a huge crowd there for Moyana Pacifica. How good
would it be if they could get up in that one?
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We're wrapping up with the Farmer Panel, a couple of
farm Strong farmers or strong farmers wrapping the country with
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the Farmer Panel, Stew Duncan and stew Low. I'll start
with stew Duncan and the Manni a Toto. Stew. You
look a wee bit dry on the knee word drought
index mat but I think you've had some rain. But
along with that rain came snow. That's a wee bit early.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Yeah. We're on the Crouching trail on Tuesday and it
was horrid. It was cold and looked up and gotten.
The snow was right down to the cottages really at Wedburn,
just on the mountain there. So it was cold and
still there now, but pretty much a beautiful day. A
wee been norwisterday and it's gone. But we picked up
another twenty miler thereabouts of rain, so it's been really good.
So we're green and yeah, having a really good autumn.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Stew Low, you're farming in North Canterbury. I drove from
Duneed and to Timaru for the South Island Air event.
I must say, like North Otago and South Canterbury. That's
as far as I got looking an absolute picture. It's
been a good season unless you're a grain farmer and
they had a few issues with the harvest. But if
you're a pastoral farmer on the east coast of the
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South Island, you've done pretty well this year.
Speaker 8 (35:16):
Yeah, we matched the same we've had. We've never really
got dry, you know, since the new year, and yet
a little bit to run off and we're not you know,
the moisture is not fair them. But we've got good
covers going into the into the winter here.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Now all your lambs will be well and truly gone.
Are those stu Low.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Pretty much yet? Just a few Italian Charlie's, but they're
growing into some good money and hopefully you get well
auth back for them at some stage.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Well, the schedule just keeps seems to keep on keeping on.
Stew Duncan you'll have quite a few left. You could
make a fortune as long as Trump doesn't muck things
up for you.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
Yeah, well that's killed yesterday. We're nineteen I kilos and
we need to get a reach few more away. But
we've taken some harts, will take out of nine hundred
halfways through the winter, and I hope you get a
deal on the wall somewhere along the line and get
them into the nines or even could be ten dollars
in the spring. So and there'd be good money if
we'd do that. We've got plenty of winter feed to
get them ticking through and they're in pretty good shake now.
So no, we're looking forward to that, but we need it.
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It's been a tough eighteen months past, so that's good
to see if you bright lots, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, and I'm glad that Lamb and Muttons are going well.
The wall market was no good again yesterday, Stu Low.
And this is just not being helped at all by
the international uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Now.
Speaker 8 (36:32):
Well, obviously lot of our walking the strong wall goes
to China on occasions and they can convert them into something.
But if if mister Trump's going to put some terrace
on them, here's something helped there the manufacturing side of things.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Is it so where every morning you wake up stew
and there's a new he slapped another one on there
at about one hundred and fifty percent or something at.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
The moment, Yeah, not very good to have an email
address in China at the moment. I wouldn't think of.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
You all right, just quickly, Hurricanes Crusaders, you're a former Crusaders, Stulo,
this will be well, I think Crusader. I think Crusaders
will win this even though they're away.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Yeah, hopefully it will be pretty even. Gain the two
good forward pets and hopefully yeah the Beats can finish
off a few good moves and get a few tries and.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Stu Duncan our Highlanders are up against the drawer and
Duned and tomorrow night. I hope it chills off all week.
But because those are the drawer are a good side.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
Yeah, they are the whole they go some fency becks
to me, they're going pretty good, but they've had a
few unlucky losses that know, the big tough games. No,
they're good, two good sides.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, and Michelle's come up with the bet of the
week taking Moana pacifica unders unders there you go against
the Highlanders, not against the Highlanders, against the Blues, and
that'll pay you the princely sum of five dollars seventy five.
But actually, don't take advice from me because I am
literally I'm the world's worst driver, but I'm also the
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world's worst sports. Better have a great weekend. We'll catch
you back on Monday.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
Get a New Zealand Welcome to the Country. My name
is Jamie McKay. Rock Set Friday. Don't ask me why
Michelle chuck it in there. We'll hear from her a
wee bit later in the air with Rural News. Got
sports news for you as well. But it's a special
day today, It's Winston's birthday, so we're going to talk
about that with Barrysoprah a bit later in the hour.
(01:01):
Nathan Guy, former Minister of agg Chair of the Meat
Industry Association, State of the industry which was pretty good,
or it was pretty good until Trump came along with
his tariffs. I we'll have a look at the red
meat Industry Farmer panel today Stu Duncan and Stu Low
see how they're getting on and kick it off. I'll
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just leave you with a wee bit of rock set
for a moment. And the reason you've got a bit
of rock set was because I was trying to drag
up my knee were drought index map and I've got
it right in front of me at the moment. He
is from newer They're going to be merged shortly with
met Service. Our old mate Phil Duncan's been calling that
(01:45):
for years. Chris Brandolino, Chris, are you guys at neewhere?
I see are going to be the senior partners over
met Service? Good afternoon, Oh.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Good afternoon.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I don't know if for coffee.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah, I mean he was acquiring that service, but will
become one entity and so yeah, I guess that answers
your question.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
No, I was listening to commentary I think on with
Ryan Bridge last night on z B, like six hundred
people at ne Worth three hundred met Service. Don't quote
me on those numbers something like that. Does it take
that many people to do a weather forecast?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Chris?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh gosh, Jamie, come on, you know we do a
lot more than you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
No. I know you do that, but it seems to
me this is a logical merger that should I well,
should we ever have had two government departments?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well, look in nineteen ninety two is when the split happened,
and you know, so we're being reunited. Were used to
be one. I think that's important to remember. But back
to your question, it's not one thousands doing weather forecasting.
I mean you were with it six or six hundred
and fifty people, whatever the number is. You know, we
we have fisheries, we do atmospheric readings, we have fresh
(02:59):
water science. We have a lot of science platforms that
covers basically every facet of the hydrological cycle. You know,
from the water falling from the cloud, to the water
hitting the ground, to the water going into the streams
into the oceans, and then the water leaving the surface
of the earth as you know, from the oceans and
the streams back into the cloud. So our breath is
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much wider than just weather forecasting. We happen to do
that pretty well, and we happen to do long range
forecasting quite well. And I think with the coming together
with met Service, it's something we need to do as
an organization. This is going to benefit ends at INK,
and this is needed for Ends at INK. It's such
a positive way. This is such a unique opportunity if
you were to go to any organization internationally and say, hey,
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you have an opportunity to kind of redo things from
a side perspective with your meteorological agencies, with the emergency
of data science. You know, would you want that opportunity?
I can't imagine anyone declining that. So this is such
a unique and golden opportunity and I'm so looking forward
to the future. I really am good on you.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Okay, Look the North Island drought, is it over? In fact,
before we start with the North Island drought and whether
it's over, I'm looking at your drought index map and
on the South Island the only dry buts in this
map was effective from when the eighth which is two
or three days ago. But look, the only dry parts
was sort of and we're going to be going there
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a wee bit later in the air with their farmer
panel sort of that Inland, Central Otago, manny A Toto region,
a bit around Murchison and just the Mulborough sounds. Other
than that, the South Island's clear. It's looking good.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Yeah, Southound's looking pretty good. It's the North Island, as
we know, that has been given us trouble. We had
the rain last week which was a real real benefit.
But look, farmers know this, and you know this, Jamie. Look,
if you're a million dollars in the hall and you
want a ten thousand dollars scratchy. That's great, but you
need more than that, right, And even when drought and
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dryness does, and which it will, but even when it does,
and it's the effects of dryness and drought that do
pre even longer. So the soy moistures. I'm looking at
the so and moisture map, so that drought index, just
taking a step back, that drought index map that you
were referring to. It's a longer sort of look back,
so it's a two month look back. So recent rainfall
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i e. Last week, that will certainly help things. But
because we're looking longer back than that, there will be
a slowness in terms of where that relief really occurs
because it takes time and looking at the soy and
moisture and normally where the soils unusually wet and usually
dry after that rainfall, well, it's Northland, it's the Auckland
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region where we have soils actually on the wet side
for the time of year. But unfortunately Watcott, though particularly
eastern Canterbury, particularly overboard the northern parts of the Manawatu
Horizons and the central part of the North Island unusually
dry soils and especially towards coastal water Appa. That is
where we're seeing the dry soil for the time of year,
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and we're going to get rain Jamie, and we're going
to get potentially some heavy rain. So as we look
ahead toward the second half of next week, I know
school holidays upon us, we do have to look to
the north. We've kind of mentioned this before. Another rain
bearing system will be coming from the north. There's still
uncertainty whereas a travel how strong is it, how fast
does it move. All these things are going to factor
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in where the heaviest rain and the strongest wind occurs.
But for those listening in Northland, Auckland Regions, Wakato, particularly Grimandel,
Hawk's Bay, tadafadigue Gisbin, I think certainly pays high attention
to the forecast and watch for those warnings and watches
from Met Service because that is where we're going to
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find potentially some active weather second half next week, getting
close to good Friday.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Okay. Just to finish on the temperatures, rain fall, moist
just one part of growing grass. The other part of
the equation is the soil temperatures, which is driven obviously
by the ear. Temperatures are we going to have a
bit of an Indian summer, because that would be good.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I think temperatures are going to favor warmth with this
low coming from the north. So for those in the
North Island we will see temperatures increasing. That will come
out of cost with the rainfall which we want.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Obviously.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
For the South Island, we are going to see a
puff of chilly air move on or probably sometimes Sunday night,
your neck of the woods get a get a bit
of gusty wind, he said for Southland and eastern Otago
Dunners for Saturday. Then that front moves through probably the
southerly chained time on Monday with some showers, so you
get a couple of cool, if not chilly days. But
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then I think temperatures kind of warm back up. In
terms of the longer rains, Jamie, we are expecting that
temperatures are going to favor warmer than average values, warmer
than average spells over the coming weeks and months, particularly
as you work away through the rest of autumn and
in two winter. Of course, of course it'll be cold
(07:59):
snaps and we'll start to see frost. But I think
the message is that we're probably going to see less
of those than what is typical as we mature through
autumn and into the start of winter. The early outlook
for winter, and this is not our official outlook, but
if you're looking for some tea leaves here, we'll probably
see I probably see warmer than usual temperatures. We're favoring
east to northeasterly winds as we progress through autumn and
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into winter. Doesn't mean every week will be east to northeast,
just that'll probably that'll be a theme. And look, the
wind ain't coming from the south. Part of my grammar.
It ain't gonna get cold. So that's how things are
lining up. We'll obviously keep a look at that. Actually,
we had some new climate that command, so I have
to hand up the phone and scour through that. And
maybe when we talk next time we'll have that. I'm
off a few days next week, Jamie, so if we
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want to talk, let's talk Monday or Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Okay, mate, you go, Well, there we go. Chris Brendolino
from newa It is quarter past twelve, Rock sid nineties.
We're going to go, well, we are we going back
to the nineties. We're going back further than the nineties. Today,
we're going back to the seventies when Winston and Barry
Soper entered Parliament roughly at about the same time when
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he's offshore at the moment as our Minister of Foreign Affairs.
He's doing a good job, as is Todd McLay as
Minister I've Trade. You certainly can't complain about their lack
of energy in that job. But up next it's a
guy who used to be a Minister of Agriculture. He's
a horror Fenoa dairy farmer and will get his take
on whether the drought's over. He's also the chair of
(09:28):
the Meat Industry Association, Nathan Guy. Before the end of
the hour the Farmer Panel, Stu Duncan and Stu Low,
Barry Soper and where are all the bodies buried? Fifty
years nearly fifty years in politics with Winston. I think
you'll enjoy it all coming up before the end of
the hour on the country, so as fate would have
(10:17):
at Winston Peters is not the only one having a
birthday today. This guy's having one former Minister of Agriculture
these days, chair of the Meat Industry Association. I got
him on to talk about Trump and his tariffs. But
Nathan Guy, happy fifty fifth birthday.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Yeah, your research is very good, Jamie, thanks very much
for that. I'm feeling young at heart.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well, so you should. You're still a very fit man,
still out there running around like a spring chicken. So
good on you. Well, let's start with is it your
day job as a farmer? I don't know if I
can say that, but you're a horror fan or a
dairy farmer. Is the drought over in your neck of.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
The woods, Yes, there's, Jamie, Thank goodness. I'm standing on
a sand hill overlooking the farm, dropping up some firewood
to my dear mother, and I'm seeing green grass most places,
but it was very tough.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
It's wine and the clock back.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
A couple of weeks we were very desperate for rain.
We've had little bits of rain, but just not enough.
Even right now it's greened up, but we still need
to follow up rain. And that's right the way through
to the longing Taranaki. I haven't been up in the
white keaddow for a while, but I hear that's pretty
bad too.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, hopefully this is the start. This is the green
shoots and I hate that terminology. Are we seeing any
green shoots out of Trump and as tariffs. I mean
to be honest, we don't know what the hell's happening there.
But I was reading something online yesterday saying that beef
is so much in demand in the US that they're
happy to pay the ten percent tariff.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
Yes, that's right, that's the feedback I'm getting. There'll still
be a few games that we played at the border
with importers, I'm sure, But the reality is coming off
the back of a very prolonged to the heard rebuild,
worst in about fifty three years. So it's a shortage
of beef. The world is a state of flux, so
isn't it, Jamie. At the moment, no one quite knows
what to believe and what's happening. I see that China's
(12:10):
now got a tariff over one hundred percent, so that's bizarre.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
We don't know what product's going.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
To end up were, but the demand out of the
US my belief it will still be strong. They love
their hamburgers. I heard a stat the other day. I
think it's three a week they consume. So we're a
big part of that, and let's over continue.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
The big problem for US, though, is not a ten
percent tariff on sending meat into our biggest red meat
market are the US. It's the collateral damage around the
rest of the world that's going to affect us as
a trading nation, and it's a bit like farming and
the weather. We have no control over that.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
No, that's right.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
But what I would say is our exporters are very nimble,
they are very adaptable, and they're thinking and freight channels
and looking at markets and the not being here before.
If you think about the national Land that we celebrated recently,
it's a long time ago since that first shipment of
sheep meat went up to the UK, and our markets
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have grown, We've adapted, consumer tastes have growing. So I
take my hat off to exporters. The vagaries of trade
is real, and I've been dealing with it a long time.
It just so happens that this is quite bizarre what's
happening at the moment.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Nathan Guy with US, chair of the Meat Industry Association.
The really good news story, in some ways surprising story
of this season has been the renaissance of lamb eight
dollars a quilo or better, and it wasn't really predicted.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
No that's right, and my mates and the sheep farmers
are feeling a lot of love at the moment.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
And that's come off.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
The back of two very tough years, so feeling a
lot more confident than their returns. There's a lot of
catch up spending that needs to happen in sheep and
beef land and no doubt banks will.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Be relieved, but there'll be a lot of R and
M that they need to do.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
So yeah, it's strong in the US, it's looking not
too bad in the UK and EU. So for sheep
meat farmers, good time shit to come and hopefully they're.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Going to hang around for a while.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
And good news that the government's decided to invest a
bit in Warwin near government buildings, so that's another positive
announcement to speak, well.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
That's a very positive announcement. What about Luckson's talk of
a trade block outside the US.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Well, I thought that there was a so called little
stash between he and Winston Peters. I didn't think it
was that at all. Prime Minister lucks is doing what
you should be doing, and that's ringing other prime ministers
and taking a bit of a heat temperature check from
them and the Foreign Afairs Minister is saying, well, let's
pull our jets and see what happens between the US
and China. So I think what they're both doing and
(14:50):
saying is absolutely correct.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
We need call heads, but we need to be.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Talking to our very strong trading partners where Prime Minister
Luckx is built up relationships and it's great to see that.
Todd mcclay's up there in the UAE at a massive
investment summit, So you know there's a lot of things
happening in the space that are very positive. But we
know right now we've got a strong headwind in our
face as well.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Tom McLay, by the way, I think it's doing a
great job, Brady, are you're blowing out fifty five candles today?
Winston eighty, he's got a cast iron constitution, that man.
He is in a lot of ways, Nathan the most
influential politician of our lifetime.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Well, I know Winston from my fifteen years in Parliament
and I've had a lot of respect and still respect
his work, ethic and what he's doing for us on
the international stage. So I think that he's had a
fantastic political career and who knows how long it will last,
but certainly right now.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
He's got a bit of a springer step. I wish
him happy birthday.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
It's a lot of candles to blow out, more than mine.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well, there's also thirty one candles being blown out by
me today. It's not my birthday, but it's the birth
day of Radio Hocken Neily Limited. So on this day,
thirty one years ago, not as long as you're fifty
five or Winston's eighty, A guy by the name of
Lee Piper and another guy by the name of grat
Nisbet and myself set up a little radio station and
(16:14):
gore the little station that could, and it's still going.
I'm very proud of it.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Yeah, well done, Jamie, and I thought it was appropriate.
You got your recognition in the honors last year.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
And let's all raise a toast to the primary sector tonight.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Let's raise a toast to Winston eighty. Not out, Nathan guy,
thank you very much for your time. Thanks mate, Thanks
Nathan twenty eight. No, it's not as twenty six. Can't
even read twenty six after twelve. Yeah, so thirty one
years ago. Congratulations lads. Piper if you're listening, Lizbo probably
not listening, great silent partner, great man, still going. He's
(16:50):
called over half the test matches that New Zealand's ever played.
What a legend. He's sort of the rugby sporting commentary,
the equivalent of Winston. He's been around forever and I
think the pair of them are getting better with age. So, Michelle,
what were you doing in the late eighties? They were
(17:11):
like a brief flame rock set nineteen eighty nine to
nineteen ninety four. We used to play them on Hakanui
in the early days. Did you ever play Holkanui and
your stint is a jock on Radio Kluther you got
all the big gigs dead.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
Yeah, we probably did play rock set. I'm sure it
was in the regular rotation at some point.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Ah, there we go. Of course, Radio Clouth is just
a computer rack now is it even that?
Speaker 7 (17:37):
I don't even know if there's anything even in that
building anymore.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
No, there's well, there's a computer rack and another building
and it's just HOULKANII these days, but ah, those were
the days, the entrepreneurial days, way back when. Anyhow, we're
going to take a break and I want to actually
announce the winner. In fact, I'll do it, I'll get
organized and I'll announced the final winner for our PGG
Rights and on the Fence fencing promo. It's been a
(18:01):
lot of fun. The question was is rugby or Super
Rugby Rugby preferable to the NRL. Your options were yes, no,
or sit on the fence. We'll give you the results
after the break.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Never calls it like a ring glove.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
She's reading the look.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Heavenly because they's.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Got a numbers.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Bang on twelve thirty year with the Country brought to
you by Brent. This is the one that kicked it
off for rock Set way back in nineteen eighty nine.
Now we were teasing, as we're taught to do in
radio teasing the PGG Rights and Fencing promo. You can
sit on the fence, you can say no, oh, yes.
(18:59):
The question yes was super Rugby is preferable to the NRL.
So you had to say yes, no or sit on
the fence. Nineteen percent of you said no, fifty nine
percent of you said yes, and twenty two percent sat
on the fence. And our winner was Tim Hindmarsh from
Hawks Bay. Well done, Tim, You're going to get that
(19:21):
five hundred dollar voucher from PGG Rights's online store and
you can spend it spend it wisely on all your
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fencing season. Once the stock work slows down on the farm.
You can get all those fences fixed now and through
winter we'll build a new one. Michelle does nothing finer
and I can say this is a former farmer. Then
(20:03):
I think plowing a paddock is great and building a
fence is great simply because with both of those jobs
you can look back at the end of the day
and see what you've done.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Building is not one of my fortes. It wouldn't be
stratified it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
No, Well, I'm pretty useless, like mechanically, but I was
quite a good fencer because I was kind of a
and when I really liked straight lines. So you've got
to be fussy to be a good fencer, I reckon. Anyhow,
you've got rural news I think let's do that.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
The Country's World News with Cob Cadet, New Zealand's leading
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Speaker 7 (20:40):
And last night marked the last of the regionals for
the Balance Farm Environment towards an Invercargol Dear farmer Cam
Nelson of Nelson Farming Company was crowned the Regional Supreme
winner for the Invercargol region. So up next as the
National Showcase in June, we're all Supreme Regional winners will
be considered for the Gordon Stevenson Trophy.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Mate Block A Drysdale. He got a prize or two,
didn't he.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Yeah, there there were so many down there. I was
talking to Andy Murror about it earlier this morning and
because we catch up in the morning sometimes and yeah,
he was down there, enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Great award yep. Okay, well done to everyone there, including
the Horrors. They were involved in that as well. Okay,
So that is your rural news. Looking forward to that
National showcase. I think they call it the Sustainability Showcase.
Some great farmers over the years having one Steve and
Harrison never won and he still saw about that. Grant
and Bernie wellerbout him. That was tragedy for Steve, but
(21:33):
good for the Wellers. Good Riversdale folk and of course
Jane Smith. Jane and Blair Smith are regular here on
the country, also winners of the Balance Farm Environment Awards
his Sport.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Sport with AFCO. Visit them online at AFCO dot co
dot enzed.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Peter Berling is holmed Team New Zealand in the America's
Cup for the final time. Syndicate boss Grant Dalton claims
Burling's exit is a mutual decision. Paul the other one, Grant.
It plays jingle bells. The skipper and three time Cup
winner has been in discussions with Tea Men's ed since
Barcelona around the next editions, but discussions failed to reach
(22:10):
an agreement for Berlin to continue. Dalton says the team
I need certainty with the next Cup only a bit
more than two years away, and in the golf it
looks like it looks like Rory McElroy's a big supporter.
Michelle of the Waikato Rural Support Trust.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Are you about to lose a bet?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Well, not about to lose it, but I thought i'd
have This is Sam Owen, who was one of the
keynote speakers side the South Islandery event. We had a
wee side bet as who would finish top or in
it whatever, whoever finished above the other one. He took Hoveland,
I took McElroy. Hoveland's one under finishing the day and
Rory was going great guns. He was four under at
(22:51):
one stage storming home and he did a Jamie McKay.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Well, that's golf, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Well, she's got no excuse. I have lack of ability,
but like he's just I don't think he's destined to
win another major. I hope I'm wrong. It's but English
goal for Justin Rose has opened up with a three
stroke lead after the first round of the Masters. The
twenty thirteen US Open winner and twenty sixteen Olympic champion
has enjoyed a seven hunder par sixty five at Augusta,
(23:17):
and that included a bogie on the last hole. So
well done, Justin Rose. Up next, we might actually go
to Barry's soaper because this is did you realize this
is Barrie's last day? I better get him out of
the road because I think he's got to go and
take Junior. There were girls called Mackay.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
Yeah, I'm very proud of that, aren't we We are?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Yeah, well, Barry's and Mackay on his mother's side. But
he's got to take Junior for a walk, I think,
or something like that. So we'll go to him next.
Before the end of the hour, it is the Farmer panel,
Stu Duncan and Stuloh. It's all on the country.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Baby.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Here's Apple, the cool correspondent of long long standing Barry Soper.
He's been around for a long time. He knows where
all the bodies are buried. We're going to pay tribute
to Winston peters Berry. But this is your bit of
a treat for me today, even though we are cousins.
It's your last day on the job before paternity leave,
which means for z B listeners, heathers back on Monday.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So that's the good and the bad, I assume, Jamie, no,
not at all. Well, it'll be over to the listeners
to decide.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Hey, we could talk about the treaty Principal's bill getting
kicked to touch. I'm sick of that. The wombat Greens.
I can't even bother Trump and his tariffs is done
to death. But I want to talk about talking about
where all the bodies are buried. You and Winston Peters.
No one goes as far back with Winston as you.
In fact, you both started in parliament about the same time.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Ah, yeah, you're right there, Jamie. He in fact came
into parliament in nineteen seventy eight and then went out
for a spell in nineteen eighty one and came back
in nineteen eighty four. And that's been the hallmark of
Winston's career, sort of being dumped out of the political
limelight for a while, right back in the full limelight,
(25:13):
as he did of course in twenty twenty three. But
the first time I ever met Winston was interested was
at a National Party conference in Dunedin, of all places,
and Don McKinnon introduced me to Winston Peters and from
the very start we had an argument, and Winston accused
me of sending his predecessor in a seat, that was
(25:35):
Keith Allen, who was known for the Ministry of Silly Walks,
or the Minister of He said, you send him to
an early grave. Well, very little to do with his hypoglycema.
But nevertheless Winston got off to that start with me,
and we've had an up and down roller coaster ride
ever since. Jamie. But look like or dislike Winston. Formidable politician.
(26:02):
He knows probably better than most, or certainly better than
most in the current crop how to woo the public.
And prior to the twenty twenty three election, when Winston
was out of my hustings starting to pull in the crowds,
I said he'll be back, And sure enough Winston's back,
not just back, but fully back. Deputy Prime minister well
(26:25):
for another less than a month, and of course Foreign Minister,
a job he excels and one that he loves.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well, let's go back in time because I did a
wee bit of research and you'll know this anyhow, but
our listeners might be interested in this. Deputy Prime Minister
under Bulger Shipley are Dern and Luxon. Now he got
what sacked from how many of those jobs too?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yes, and he got sacked by Jenny Shipley. They never
got on well at all. Helen Clark liked him right
until the end. They got on pretty well. I think
she would speak pretty fond the album.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Now.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
He was difficult at times. I mean I had a
major running with him, in the United States once, where
he wouldn't let us know what his itinerary was when
he was going to be rebuilding our relationship with the
United States. We were so, we were told, so three
of us decided to trail them out there. It was like,
where's Wally in Washington because he wouldn't let us know
(27:25):
where he was going. But in the end I discovered
because I've got some contacts there in the Senate, he
was going to see John McCain, and McCain, of course,
became the Republican nominee in the following presidential run. McCain
I rang his office. He said, yes, of course, come up.
You're welcome to have a chat to us. Before the
meeting starts, Winston comes along the corridor and sees us. Furious.
(27:50):
He was said, what are you doing here? And we said, well,
you're affording the approchemont with the United States, Winston, we'd
like to be in on it and have a look
at it. So they allowed us into the meeting. At
the start, McCain was raving about how if he was
in the position of power, that the anti nuclear issue
would no longer be one an impediment for the United
(28:12):
States and our relationship, so.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
It was good news.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Winston kicked us out of the meeting in the end,
interrupted McCain, and then put out a press statement back
home saying that we had gatecrash the meeting. So I
went on he is saying, well, that is actually untrue.
Speaker 9 (28:28):
We didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
We were invited to it. When I got back, Helen
Clark had me out to her office and apologized on
behalf of Winston. No apology from Winston, of course, and
we had a bit of a falling out there and
he refused to take me or allow me to go
on a trip to North Korea with him, which was
a bit disappointed about. But now we get along like
(28:49):
a house on fire.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yeah, as you said, excels As Minister of Foreign Affairs,
he's had that job under Clark, Dern and Luxon. Interestingly,
when he set up New Zealand first and nineteen ninety.
I mean he's obviously been the leader since then, but
he's had six deputies from toe Heneray to Shane Jones.
So some colorful characters in there, Berry.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Oh, absolutely, and he tends to attract them. And again
with your like or dislike Shane Jones, I love him
in the house because he's entertaining. He's like as though
he's preaching from the pulpit and does it so well.
And Winston and he get on very well. I would
imagine Shane Jones would see himself as the successor to
(29:30):
Winston after Winston finally gets out. But look, he might
be eighty, but he's picking along pretty well. I had
a drink with him late last year. He's ticking along
very well as stut as ever. And in fact, you know,
I wouldn't be surprised. In fact, I would expect it
that he'll be running again in next year's election. Now.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
They used to say him and Bulge around the country
over a whiskey bottle back in the day, and he
was a bit notorious, the old green parrots and all that.
And I've had the good fortune of his company. You
were there as well, a wonderful lunch that turned into
an eve remember that all those years ago. But anyhow,
he's notorious for his nocturnal behavior. But is he on
(30:12):
a health kick at the moment?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Oh well, it was suggested I think on Mike Hosking
by Mike Hosking this morning, that he is on a
health kick. But look, Winston is a social being. He
likes nothing more than to sit around and have a drink.
And I was last year. Late last year, I was
in Wellington. We sat around, had a good old matter.
He loves having a talk, loves debating politics. You can
(30:38):
take issue with him, He'll give back as much as
he gets. And that's his relationship with the media. He's
pretty hard on the media. But of course now I
think I've sort of got so long in the tooth
that he tolerates me more than he used to do.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
He's currently our eighth longest serving politician, thirty seven years.
In a bit, I'm just serving politician as a guy
by the name of Rex Mason. I've never heard of him.
He served for forty years, one hundred and ninety three days,
and I'm just doing the quick maths on the back
of an envelope here. If Winston does another term, he
will break that record.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah. But the thing is, you've got to remember, and
I've always reminded Winston, I've actually been involved in politics
longer than he has, because he's had several breaks from
the politics, being losing one election and coming back the next.
Whereas my record Jomie dear, I say that began in
nineteen eighty in the press gallery in Parliament, and I'm
(31:36):
still doing it. I don't know how many years that
has been as well, over.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Forty Well, Barry, enjoy your paternity leave, if such a thing,
if such a thing as possible. This is coming from
a former house husband. And we look forward to your
hearing you back, hearing your dulcet tones back. Should I
say on news talks, they'd be looking forward to hear
the coming back next week as well.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Good on you, Jamie, and I'm talking to you.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Good on your bears. It is fourteen away from one
Barry soap. But not everyone is enamored with Winston.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
He is one.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
He is device of I guess Winston is massively overrated,
says one texture, just another slippery politician hooked on the
borbles of power. Well that was Winston saying the borbles
of office, wasn't I had to look up what a
borbull was. It's a decoration on a Christmas tree, yea.
So you do learn new words up next door before
the end of the hour, it's the farmer panel, stud
(32:27):
Duncan and Stulo welcome back to the country. Just getting
a hold of farmer panels, stud Duncan and Stulo will
be with you in a tick lads. But a big
shout out we had Greg Miller in the studio yesterday
(32:48):
from the IHC Carf and Rural Scheme. Great charity folks,
especially you farmers, please keep giving generously. I want to
give a big shout out to Michael Holdsworth who's been
in the IHC Lie Ibrian Wellington there for thirty years.
Listens every day, Love you Michael. Every listener is a prisoner.
Michelle's been doing the numbers on the Super Rugby and
(33:11):
even though I'm bombing badly to Sam Owen and the
Master's Golf, I don't know why I bother betting. How
about taking Moana Pacifica paying five dollars seventy five for
unders against the Blues tomorrow. I think there's going to
be a huge crowd there for Moyana Pacifica. How good
would it be if they could get up in that one?
(33:32):
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We're wrapping up with the Farmer Panel, a couple of
farm Strong farmers or strong farmers wrapping the country with
(34:17):
the Farmer Panel, Stew Duncan and stew Low. I'll start
with stew Duncan and the Manni a Toto. Stew. You
look a wee bit dry on the knee word drought
index mat but I think you've had some rain. But
along with that rain came snow. That's a wee bit early.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Yeah. We're on the Crouching trail on Tuesday and it
was horrid. It was cold and looked up and gotten.
The snow was right down to the cottages really at Wedburn,
just on the mountain there. So it was cold and
still there now, but pretty much a beautiful day. A
wee been norwisterday and it's gone. But we picked up
another twenty miler thereabouts of rain, so it's been really good.
So we're green and yeah, having a really good autumn.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Stew Low, you're farming in North Canterbury. I drove from
Duneed and to Timaru for the South Island Air event.
I must say, like North Otago and South Canterbury. That's
as far as I got looking an absolute picture. It's
been a good season unless you're a grain farmer and
they had a few issues with the harvest. But if
you're a pastoral farmer on the east coast of the
(35:13):
South Island, you've done pretty well this year.
Speaker 8 (35:16):
Yeah, we matched the same we've had. We've never really
got dry, you know, since the new year, and yet
a little bit to run off and we're not you know,
the moisture is not fair them. But we've got good
covers going into the into the winter here.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Now all your lambs will be well and truly gone.
Are those stu Low.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Pretty much yet? Just a few Italian Charlie's, but they're
growing into some good money and hopefully you get well
auth back for them at some stage.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Well, the schedule just keeps seems to keep on keeping on.
Stew Duncan you'll have quite a few left. You could
make a fortune as long as Trump doesn't muck things
up for you.
Speaker 9 (35:54):
Yeah, well that's killed yesterday. We're nineteen I kilos and
we need to get a reach few more away. But
we've taken some harts, will take out of nine hundred
halfways through the winter, and I hope you get a
deal on the wall somewhere along the line and get
them into the nines or even could be ten dollars
in the spring. So and there'd be good money if
we'd do that. We've got plenty of winter feed to
get them ticking through and they're in pretty good shake now.
So no, we're looking forward to that, but we need it.
(36:16):
It's been a tough eighteen months past, so that's good
to see if you bright lots, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, and I'm glad that Lamb and Muttons are going well.
The wall market was no good again yesterday, Stu Low.
And this is just not being helped at all by
the international uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Now.
Speaker 8 (36:32):
Well, obviously lot of our walking the strong wall goes
to China on occasions and they can convert them into something.
But if if mister Trump's going to put some terrace
on them, here's something helped there the manufacturing side of things.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Is it so where every morning you wake up stew
and there's a new he slapped another one on there
at about one hundred and fifty percent or something at.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
The moment, Yeah, not very good to have an email
address in China at the moment. I wouldn't think of.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
You all right, just quickly, Hurricanes Crusaders, you're a former Crusaders, Stulo,
this will be well, I think Crusader. I think Crusaders
will win this even though they're away.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Yeah, hopefully it will be pretty even. Gain the two
good forward pets and hopefully yeah the Beats can finish
off a few good moves and get a few tries and.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Stu Duncan our Highlanders are up against the drawer and
Duned and tomorrow night. I hope it chills off all week.
But because those are the drawer are a good side.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
Yeah, they are the whole they go some fency becks
to me, they're going pretty good, but they've had a
few unlucky losses that know, the big tough games. No,
they're good, two good sides.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, and Michelle's come up with the bet of the
week taking Moana pacifica unders unders there you go against
the Highlanders, not against the Highlanders, against the Blues, and
that'll pay you the princely sum of five dollars seventy five.
But actually, don't take advice from me because I am
literally I'm the world's worst driver, but I'm also the
(38:10):
world's worst sports. Better have a great weekend. We'll catch
you back on Monday.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
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