September 8, 2024 • 8 mins
Looking back at the All Whites loss to Mexico and recapping the two domestic finals in NZ over the weekend, with Auckland United winning the Kate Shepard Cup, and Wellington Olympic winning the Chatham cup.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From the cricket field to the cows shed. It's the
Country Sport Breakfast with Brian Kelly on Gold Sport.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, it's been a busy weekend in New Zealand and
offshore for our men's national teams in football. Joining us
SO on the CSB this morning of Voice, I'm Soccer
Football and New Zealand the host of Weekend Sport on
Newstalk Jason Pie Morning Piney.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hello, BK.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Let's start with the three nil loss yesterday for the
All Whites against Mexico in Pasadena, of all places. What
do you take from that one? Positive or negative? Signs
out of that one?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Not too many positives if I'm honest, BK, I expected
a lot more from the All Whites. I'm brutally honest
about it. This is probably the best side that could
possibly be have been assembled by Darren basically the head coach.
A lot of quality players playing in good leagues around
the world, and there was high excitement I think and
may still be ahead of their second game of this
(00:55):
tour about the way they would come together and the
way they might compete against the side Mexico, who are
in the top twenty in the world. Let's not forget that.
But I just thought New Zealand were just a little
bit passive yesterday, just didn't create a lot. They considered
an early goal, which is never good, you know, it
always throws the game plan out the window a little bit.
But I just looked back at that game and I'm
struggling to think of too many moves attacking moves that
(01:19):
really threatened the Mexican defense. There was one clear cut
opportunity We'll skimmed across the face of goal from a
corner and Tommy Smith couldn't quite get a head on
which would have diverted it into the goal. But other
than that, there wasn't really a lot in the attacking third.
So look, if you're looking at looking at it and saying, okay,
on a scale of one to ten, how did the
(01:40):
All Whites play? I think it's only about a five. Really,
it wasn't what I hoped for, and I'm really hoping
for better against the United States when they play them
in Cincinnati on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
What do you think the big work ons are going
to be with the coach between now and Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It's a great question because I think he's got a
bit of a list. I think really they have to
find a way to threaten quality opposition defenses. So this
is the problem I think call one of the problems
with playing in Oceania is that you never really come
up against high quality science. You know, you come up
against teams that are really amateur teams, that's what they
are there. You know, they're players who have jobs that
(02:17):
they're not professional footballers. Then you come up against teams
like Mexico and the United States who are fully fledged
professionals and really good leagues around the world, and they
are quality, quality players. So you have to find a
way to break those those teams down to create share,
and we tuss do arrive because they're going to arrive
far less frequently than against the likes of Big and
(02:40):
the Solomon Islands. You have to take those chances. Look
for me, if I'm there and base that I'm sitting
down and trying to find a to forwarde great connections
and the attacking herds. You know that the talent is there, bkay.
You know the players we have the likes of Marco
Staminich and Ben Old and Matt Garvett and Chris would
you know seventy odd goals in the premier Costa Barbarusis
(03:01):
has been around for a long time. These are players,
you know, who are our best players at the moment
and some of our best players ever to wear the
white shirt. So he simply has to find a way
of forging greater connections in the attacking firm for me
and chances, because there was very very little in the
way of excitement that we had in the opposing penalty area.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yesterday you mentioned we play the USA on Wednesday morning,
So how do you see that one coming? How do
we beat them?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Well, it'll be a very similar game in terms of
or a similar challenge rather, I mean the US are
sixteenth in the world, Mexico are seventeenth, so there are
very similar rank side. Yeah, and they'll be on home soil. Obviously,
the United States are going through some something of a
transitional stage at the moment. They're in between bosses, you
might say, so that might perhaps make a little bit vulnerable.
(03:54):
They lost to Canada yesterday one Canada, by contrast fortieth
and the world at the moment, So that gives you
an indication of where the US are currently at. But
what I hope the K is that he seems out
basically the same team. I wouldn't like to see too
many changes. I think the team he named yesterday was
the best team. I would just like to see them
play better. I know it sounds very simple when you
(04:17):
put it in terms like that, but I hope he
sticks with largely the same eleven, goes out there and
just tries to do things ten, twenty, sometimes thirty percent better.
I think defensively they were okay yesterday. You know, the goals,
Like I say, the early goal never helps, and perhaps
next croaking and goal done slightly better with the goals
(04:37):
in the second half came in the space four minutes
and that was really just a double punch unfortunately. But
other than that, I think defensively we were okay. But
I just I would just at the risk himself, would
just like to see a heck of a lot more
going forward.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
We're we ranked in the world now ninety fourth at
the moment. Oh yeah, so there's quite a big gap,
isn't there.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, although for what they're worth, I mean the fief
for ranking for what they're worth DK yeah, I mean,
I think anybody out once you get down to about
fortieth in the world, it wouldn't be a surprise, for example,
to see New Zealand at ninety fourth be the team
that was ranked forty fourth. You know, there's not a
heck of a lot once you get outside the top
sort of thirty in the world. They are the quality side.
The big boys are down in the top ten, you know,
(05:20):
the European and South American powerhouses. But yeah, ninety fourth
is a bit false, you know. It really is to
do with the amount of games that New Zealand play
and the quality of opposition that we play. Again, so
and the issue is that freeway matches, for example, don't
count towards fee for ranking. So even if New Zealand
works for example, beat Mexico one nill, that wouldn't improve
(05:40):
their fee for ranking because it's a friendly match. So
the only matches that count are competitive ones, and they're
all against the Oceanian side. So ye, it's a bit
of a funny situation.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And Pinty closer to home, we'll here at home. Actually,
our domestic cups were decided Donalkland's North Shore yesterday. First up,
Auckland United held on against Western Springs to hoist the
Kate Shephard Cup, but geez, A few nervy moments in
the end for Auckland, weren't there.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, there were there were, And I look, I'm in
full full credit to Auckland. They've been ulton. You know,
they've been a terrific side for a long long time.
And the goal that won it, what an absolute cracker
from outside the area. And that's the kind of goal
that should win cup finals. You haven't seen it, never
look at that. That's an absolute cracker. And yeah, they
had to hold on and against a fairly you know.
(06:26):
I mean that's the thing about cup finals as well.
It's a bit like it's a bit like it's a
fee for rankings. You know, there's always a favorite and
sometimes an overwhelming favorite, and aultand United would have been
that and they eventually won it. But you know, occasions
like this tend to bring out the best inside. So yeah,
I congratulations to Auckland United. They continue this amazing record
they've had in recent times. It's an incredible run they've
(06:48):
had in terms of unbeaten matches. It's somewhere up in
the thirties or forties now in terms of unbeaten matches.
Just a powerhouse. And so yeah, no, full credit to them.
And yeah, and the Chatham Cup final that was another
one that was really I mean, these are the two
best sides in the country, Auckland City and Wellington Olympic.
And when Olympic went their heads for an own goal
with about fifteen minutes to go, he thought, okay, well
(07:09):
they're going to win it. And then right at the end,
right at the very end of at the fifth minute
of at a time, this young kid, Stipe Ukech what
a player only seventeen years old, pops up and scores
the equalizer and then we go to extra time which
was a little bit tempered, and then to the dreaded
penalty shootout where where Wellington Olympic eventually prevailed five to four.
So yeah, it was. It took right to the very
(07:31):
very very very end Wellington Olympic. Yeah, they're chain of
cut winners for twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Four, no biking stuff. And course coach Paul Eiffel two
straight titles as a manager. He won last year with
Canterbury and now a title with Wellington. I mean he's
a coach we should be keeping a close eye on,
isn't he.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, he's a good man. Paul Eifel and he actually
I can I can report BK yesterday hopped on a
plane for a week in Fiji. I think he's probably
earned it. He's having a holiday with the family. Yeah, no, ball,
he's a he's a terrific, terrific coach and I think
what he's got is because he's been there and done that.
And unless I forget he was amazing for the Phoenix,
(08:09):
but has also played in an f A Cup final,
you know, for Millwall against Manchester United. He's been there
and done that. I know from talking to some of
the players who has been he's been coached by that
It's not so much the the x's and o's on
a on a tactics board that Paul brings, but it's
the real life experience and the ability to motivate players
for really big occasions. So yeah, delighted for if delighted
(08:31):
for Wellington Olympics seeing they're from my city. But it
was it was an absolute battle against a quality Auckland
City side and look, I mean that they'll you know,
I think these two are set to maybe do battle
for many many more years in Cup and National League competitions.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Piney, thanks for joining us. Made to enjoy the week
and we'll talk again next week.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Look forward to it.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Thanks Jason Pine joining us here gold Sport
From the cricket field to the cows shed. It's the
Country Sport Breakfast with Brian Kelly on Gold Sport.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, it's been a busy weekend in New Zealand and
offshore for our men's national teams in football. Joining us
SO on the CSB this morning of Voice, I'm Soccer
Football and New Zealand the host of Weekend Sport on
Newstalk Jason Pie Morning Piney.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hello, BK.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Let's start with the three nil loss yesterday for the
All Whites against Mexico in Pasadena, of all places. What
do you take from that one? Positive or negative? Signs
out of that one?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Not too many positives if I'm honest, BK, I expected
a lot more from the All Whites. I'm brutally honest
about it. This is probably the best side that could
possibly be have been assembled by Darren basically the head coach.
A lot of quality players playing in good leagues around
the world, and there was high excitement I think and
may still be ahead of their second game of this
(00:55):
tour about the way they would come together and the
way they might compete against the side Mexico, who are
in the top twenty in the world. Let's not forget that.
But I just thought New Zealand were just a little
bit passive yesterday, just didn't create a lot. They considered
an early goal, which is never good, you know, it
always throws the game plan out the window a little bit.
But I just looked back at that game and I'm
struggling to think of too many moves attacking moves that
(01:19):
really threatened the Mexican defense. There was one clear cut
opportunity We'll skimmed across the face of goal from a
corner and Tommy Smith couldn't quite get a head on
which would have diverted it into the goal. But other
than that, there wasn't really a lot in the attacking third.
So look, if you're looking at looking at it and saying, okay,
on a scale of one to ten, how did the
(01:40):
All Whites play? I think it's only about a five. Really,
it wasn't what I hoped for, and I'm really hoping
for better against the United States when they play them
in Cincinnati on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
What do you think the big work ons are going
to be with the coach between now and Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
It's a great question because I think he's got a
bit of a list. I think really they have to
find a way to threaten quality opposition defenses. So this
is the problem I think call one of the problems
with playing in Oceania is that you never really come
up against high quality science. You know, you come up
against teams that are really amateur teams, that's what they
are there. You know, they're players who have jobs that
(02:17):
they're not professional footballers. Then you come up against teams
like Mexico and the United States who are fully fledged
professionals and really good leagues around the world, and they
are quality, quality players. So you have to find a
way to break those those teams down to create share,
and we tuss do arrive because they're going to arrive
far less frequently than against the likes of Big and
(02:40):
the Solomon Islands. You have to take those chances. Look
for me, if I'm there and base that I'm sitting
down and trying to find a to forwarde great connections
and the attacking herds. You know that the talent is there, bkay.
You know the players we have the likes of Marco
Staminich and Ben Old and Matt Garvett and Chris would
you know seventy odd goals in the premier Costa Barbarusis
(03:01):
has been around for a long time. These are players,
you know, who are our best players at the moment
and some of our best players ever to wear the
white shirt. So he simply has to find a way
of forging greater connections in the attacking firm for me
and chances, because there was very very little in the
way of excitement that we had in the opposing penalty area.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yesterday you mentioned we play the USA on Wednesday morning,
So how do you see that one coming? How do
we beat them?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Well, it'll be a very similar game in terms of
or a similar challenge rather, I mean the US are
sixteenth in the world, Mexico are seventeenth, so there are
very similar rank side. Yeah, and they'll be on home soil. Obviously,
the United States are going through some something of a
transitional stage at the moment. They're in between bosses, you
might say, so that might perhaps make a little bit vulnerable.
(03:54):
They lost to Canada yesterday one Canada, by contrast fortieth
and the world at the moment, So that gives you
an indication of where the US are currently at. But
what I hope the K is that he seems out
basically the same team. I wouldn't like to see too
many changes. I think the team he named yesterday was
the best team. I would just like to see them
play better. I know it sounds very simple when you
(04:17):
put it in terms like that, but I hope he
sticks with largely the same eleven, goes out there and
just tries to do things ten, twenty, sometimes thirty percent better.
I think defensively they were okay yesterday. You know, the goals,
Like I say, the early goal never helps, and perhaps
next croaking and goal done slightly better with the goals
(04:37):
in the second half came in the space four minutes
and that was really just a double punch unfortunately. But
other than that, I think defensively we were okay. But
I just I would just at the risk himself, would
just like to see a heck of a lot more
going forward.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
We're we ranked in the world now ninety fourth at
the moment. Oh yeah, so there's quite a big gap,
isn't there.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, although for what they're worth, I mean the fief
for ranking for what they're worth DK yeah, I mean,
I think anybody out once you get down to about
fortieth in the world, it wouldn't be a surprise, for example,
to see New Zealand at ninety fourth be the team
that was ranked forty fourth. You know, there's not a
heck of a lot once you get outside the top
sort of thirty in the world. They are the quality side.
The big boys are down in the top ten, you know,
(05:20):
the European and South American powerhouses. But yeah, ninety fourth
is a bit false, you know. It really is to
do with the amount of games that New Zealand play
and the quality of opposition that we play. Again, so
and the issue is that freeway matches, for example, don't
count towards fee for ranking. So even if New Zealand
works for example, beat Mexico one nill, that wouldn't improve
(05:40):
their fee for ranking because it's a friendly match. So
the only matches that count are competitive ones, and they're
all against the Oceanian side. So ye, it's a bit
of a funny situation.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
And Pinty closer to home, we'll here at home. Actually,
our domestic cups were decided Donalkland's North Shore yesterday. First up,
Auckland United held on against Western Springs to hoist the
Kate Shephard Cup, but geez, A few nervy moments in
the end for Auckland, weren't there.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, there were there were, And I look, I'm in
full full credit to Auckland. They've been ulton. You know,
they've been a terrific side for a long long time.
And the goal that won it, what an absolute cracker
from outside the area. And that's the kind of goal
that should win cup finals. You haven't seen it, never
look at that. That's an absolute cracker. And yeah, they
had to hold on and against a fairly you know.
(06:26):
I mean that's the thing about cup finals as well.
It's a bit like it's a bit like it's a
fee for rankings. You know, there's always a favorite and
sometimes an overwhelming favorite, and aultand United would have been
that and they eventually won it. But you know, occasions
like this tend to bring out the best inside. So yeah,
I congratulations to Auckland United. They continue this amazing record
they've had in recent times. It's an incredible run they've
(06:48):
had in terms of unbeaten matches. It's somewhere up in
the thirties or forties now in terms of unbeaten matches.
Just a powerhouse. And so yeah, no, full credit to them.
And yeah, and the Chatham Cup final that was another
one that was really I mean, these are the two
best sides in the country, Auckland City and Wellington Olympic.
And when Olympic went their heads for an own goal
with about fifteen minutes to go, he thought, okay, well
(07:09):
they're going to win it. And then right at the end,
right at the very end of at the fifth minute
of at a time, this young kid, Stipe Ukech what
a player only seventeen years old, pops up and scores
the equalizer and then we go to extra time which
was a little bit tempered, and then to the dreaded
penalty shootout where where Wellington Olympic eventually prevailed five to four.
So yeah, it was. It took right to the very
(07:31):
very very very end Wellington Olympic. Yeah, they're chain of
cut winners for twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Four, no biking stuff. And course coach Paul Eiffel two
straight titles as a manager. He won last year with
Canterbury and now a title with Wellington. I mean he's
a coach we should be keeping a close eye on,
isn't he.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, he's a good man. Paul Eifel and he actually
I can I can report BK yesterday hopped on a
plane for a week in Fiji. I think he's probably
earned it. He's having a holiday with the family. Yeah, no, ball,
he's a he's a terrific, terrific coach and I think
what he's got is because he's been there and done that.
And unless I forget he was amazing for the Phoenix,
(08:09):
but has also played in an f A Cup final,
you know, for Millwall against Manchester United. He's been there
and done that. I know from talking to some of
the players who has been he's been coached by that
It's not so much the the x's and o's on
a on a tactics board that Paul brings, but it's
the real life experience and the ability to motivate players
for really big occasions. So yeah, delighted for if delighted
(08:31):
for Wellington Olympics seeing they're from my city. But it
was it was an absolute battle against a quality Auckland
City side and look, I mean that they'll you know,
I think these two are set to maybe do battle
for many many more years in Cup and National League competitions.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Piney, thanks for joining us. Made to enjoy the week
and we'll talk again next week.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Look forward to it.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Thanks Jason Pine joining us here gold Sport
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