September 1, 2024 • 39 mins
Smart watches and workout tracking apps aren't hard to come by these days, but are they really improving your workouts?
Greg Pain joins Tim Beveridge on The Weekend Collective to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh my goodness, what is this horrendous music? I think
this is something about South African rugby. By the way,
Tim Beverage, if you've just joined us, this is the
week in collective of the Health Hub. This is the
this is is this a song about the Boka? My
producer who well we won't name her, well, let's just
call her Tyra Roberts. She's she is does have some
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South African connections, and her parents have some South have
some Springbok connections actually, and so she's kind of insufferable
right now because she's said she wanted to play a
little song just just to celebrate their great victory. You
can text your feedback on nine to two on what
side we should play if we beat the next week. Anyway,
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but look a shout out to Celestine voter, who probably
really enjoyed that result. I didn't really particularly much, to
be honest, but I loved the fact that I've got
my passion back for the all Blacks. So anyway, hey,
by the way, let's get on with it, shall we.
This is the Health Happen in the studio. I would say,
he's sort of a superstar when it comes to buy mechanics.
He's well known to the news talks. He'd be audience
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by now, I'd say, and his name is Greek Pain,
a Greek. Here you going.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Thank you for having me, I think. I think there's
probably only about three of us in the entire country,
so it's pretty easy to be a superstar when you
want to be.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
One of the top three.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
There aren't that many around to do what I do,
so that makes it a little easier. But thank you
for having me. I appreciate the stunning intro, and I
was I felt like a celebrity. When I was down
skiing a few weeks ago. There there's two guys were
chatting and they're like, are you that guy Greeg from
news Talks? There'd be from BioSport, And it was the
first time I've ever been recognized, So really, I felt
like everything had just come together.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Was that because they recognized your your voice or did
you say how I'm Greg Pain from news talks.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, they started asking they started asking questions about the
kayaking at the Olympics, and then we're making some sort
of slightly incorrect assumptions as to what.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Was Was this just a general conversation. They didn't know
your connection at all?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
No, no, no, no, you had a chairlift and full faced
Bella Claver. It was cold as and these two guys
start talking about, you know, the kayaking coming up and
what's going to happen, and one of them said something
that I disagreed with, and I'm when you're part of
a team like this, you you pride yourself and keeping
your head down and you do the work. You don't
really stick your neck out. But this time I thought, no,
hang away, you're a little bit wrongly mate.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
He said, how do you know that?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
And I said, I've been part of Lisa's team for
the last sort of four campaigns. Boo far you that
guy Greg from the radio and you leave forward and
struck my hand. I felt like a celebrity. That was
my fifteenth one, probably eight minutes of Captain's cheer time
that I'm a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And when he said it, when I look, everyone knows this,
but you went with Lisa Carrington. But when you been
part of Lisa's team for a while, just.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
A little throw.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You just dropped that one and they're like, oops.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Still still the greatest pride I have.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So yeah, actually you actually we haven't really caught up
since that amazing victory from from our kayakers anyway, But
wasn't it just the most You must have been bursting
with an emotion.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Say, I have never ever watching Olympics. I mean, I
grew up as a sailor. I've worked with Tim New Zealand,
I've got lots of other athletes that have done very,
very well. I have never been so emotionally involved in
a campaign. All three of those women's races in particular,
I was I was a blithering wreck, to be fair,
and that K four wind for me, was one of
the greatest things I think I've ever witnessed as far
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as where the girls have come from and where.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
They got to. That was that was just a So when.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
They crossed the line in the first place, you're sitting
it back and you're sitting back in Mission Bay on
your on your couch. Are you just sitting there in
whe a box of tissues and a blubbering mess or what?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I slept through my alarm?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Oh no, I set my alarm to get up, okay,
and I woke up to the news, but I did
not go to sleep. I stayed up to watch the
Key two and the Key one, the K one. I
was shaking and there was there I was holding back
the tears.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
That was so big, fantastic. Well it was. It was
amazing and I think it's something we can all be
very proud of. But hey, by the way, how was
the snow amazing? Was this just recent? This is obviously
just recently.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Few weeks ago, we took the kids out of school
and they were had COVID and inverted comers for the week,
and so we had a week done it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
One you realize this is national radio here. You've just
you've just outed your kids for.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
It wasn't We had a great trip and it's life lessons.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
When you are skiing as a biomechanist, does that mean
you have to be really rock solid on your technique?
Or if I saw your skiing, I'd be like, my goodness, me,
don't don't show in the video on this technique.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I ski it on my own quite a lot, and
it's like any sport for me. When I'm doing something
like that, I spend a lot of time thinking about
my technique and trying to just make those positive changes.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So you not the most social thing for me sometimes.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Okay, good good on you. Hey, Now look we're talking
about well a couple of things. They sort of overlap
in a way. But the first question that came to
mind when I was going to get you on was
just talking because you if you're dealing with top athletes.
But of course all these issues around fitness and performance
doesn't matter what level you're at. You don't. You can
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either be a Olympic athlete or you can be someone
who's going for their first or second you know, jog,
so to speak. But the question around fatigue versus maybe
exhaustion is the same thing. We can get quotum semantics,
but simply you know, obviously you put yourself when you
exercise under a level of stress. But when when is
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fatigue a bad thing? Are there different because there would
be different types. When you listen, you've pushed yourself so far,
you've got to stop.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So everything that we do, whether you're talking about what
I do as a biomechanist or what a coach does
and other sort of sports specific practitioners, everything that we
are doing, technically speaking, is trying to quote unquote delay
the onset of fatigue now we know that fatigue has
a negative effect on us physiologically, psychologically, biomechanically, neuromuscularly, cardio
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all these sorts of things. Everything that we're trying to do,
particularly in a competitive environment, is delay the onset of fatigue.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Now, a coach, on the.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Other hand, when they are training an athlete, they are
trying to push them well within the sorry outside of
the limits of fatigue in order to get a physiological adaptation,
like they're trying to get a positive change.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
But particularly if.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
You're coming back from injury, like if you've if you've
had something that's chronic or a recurring movement specific issue,
you want to avoid fatigue from my perspective, because we
know it changes. If we're talking about running is the
most obvious example. We know that fatigue changes pretty much
every single one of your biomechanical variables, like whether you're overstriding,
or your cadence or your league stiffness. So if you
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can stay away from fatigue, you're allowed to you can
continue to move in a healthy manner in order to
get physiological adaptation with a reduced risk of injury.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Because fatigue is when you get injured as well. Isn't it.
I mean, if you everything starts losing its sort of balance,
if you have pushed yourself that when you're tired. You know,
and this is a bit of a heart You may
be doing a hell climb or whatever. That's one thing,
but that's just muscles that are tired. But when they
are fatigued, I would imagine that that's when things can
get out of whack. One muscle's not maybe doing the
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job that the other muscles depends it depends on it doing.
And then before you night bingo, you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, so sort of what I was saying before, when
you are fatigued, so injuries can typically occur because of
one inherent faulty movement pattern. So let's just say, as
a runner, you're not fatigued, but you have this specific weakness,
say in your butt muscles or your lateral hip or
whatever it is, and you have this more, you have
this what we would call an inappropriate movement pattern that
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in itself, over time can lead to fatigue. Sorry, it
can lead to injury. But if you are in a
fatigued state, and as I said before, it's called your biomechanical,
your kinematic variables, which is things like leag stiffness and
tibular acceleration and all these sorts of things. We know
that as soon as you hit fatigue, all those variables
get worse, and that is when we start to see
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an increased likelihood of injury.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Are there particular signs that your body is in a
state of exhaustion or fatigue that is no longer just look,
this is good. You push yourself, You're fine, as opposed
to listen you need to you're just going too hard.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
So if you are new to a particular sport and
you don't have good feel or if you don't have
a tendency of using, say a wearable device, it can
be harder to pick up the key indicators that will
push you into fatigue. So I was listening to a
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podcast with one of the world's top long distance triathletes
the other day, and he's a problem. So he's one
of the big german guys, and he knows what are
the key things that he does wrong when he's running.
And so when he is running and when he's starting
to feel that pinch of fatigue, he is constantly scanning
the way that he runs, trying to correct those movement
variables which he knows will affect this performance. Now, if
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you have a tendency of using it, if you use
a device such as a garment or a particularly like
a heart rate strap, all these sorts of things that
gives you really really good feedback, so you can start
to see on your watch or whatever it is that
you're using, you can start to see the effects of fatigue,
and particularly when you look at when you've looked at
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your data after your training event or your race or
whatever it is, if you've got a good eye, you
can actually see your point of fatigue, and over time
you can try and push that further down the path.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You've jumped topics for me already, because that was my
other side of the conversation, and you did say that
the two go hand in hand, but it was about
exercising with gadgets and are they you know, are they
good or or not. But actually, just before we get
onto that, what's you know, we've all well maybe we
haven't all seen it, but probably the triathlons and marathons.
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Probably triathlons are the one we've all seen the person
staggering across the line as if they can't even they
can't stand up straight. Sometimes they've even lost I've seen
when they've lost control of their bows and everything. Yes,
I mean are they just knacker? Are they really in
danger of doing some long lasting damage when they're in
that state of exhaustion.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I'm not sure about long lasting damage because they would
be inn the leite athlete, and so therefore they would
have a medical team around them that can assess and
make sure that they are okay. And those sorts of events,
they do have medical teams. They can put them on
a drip and that sort of thing. But a lot
of people in training, just regular age groupers as we'll
call them, do have a bit of a tendency of
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pushing themselves too far, thinking that they are making a
positive difference to their training, but that in itself can
lead to problems. So this is where devices can be. Okay, Now,
devices have pros and cons.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, let's get it. Let's get into the devices, because
I'll tell you. I'll actually read out the questions I'd
written down just from my own lay point of view.
The first was should you actually be tracking your with
smart watches and apps? Or are these are they just
acute toy it's like, oh, look how many steps I
did in my run, Look how far I went? Who cares?
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I mean, I don't run with anything apart from the time,
And as you were talking about how gadgets can help
you sort of work out, maybe there'd be a way
of me realizing that I'm being a bit of a slacker.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
So the thing is is that if you go for
a lot, let's just say, whether you're being coached or
whether you've got some sort of plan that you're running to,
the improvements that you will see over time are very
very gradual. So if you and also if you have
a a rating of perceived exertion, if you have an
opinion as to how hard you've trained and how good
you feel, that may not accurately reflect the physiological data
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that a device can provide. Now, if you say I
mean I recommend people, you say Strava or there's a
number of different what Strava. So Strata is basically a
social platform. And when I say social media can have
it so that it's completely private and it's completely free
and no one sees it, or you can have it
in more of a social setting where your friends can
see what you're doing. And Strata allows you to track
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some of that or all of those sort of variables
over time. So if you're if you're training for say
a marathon or a half marathon, whatever, your first ten k,
the first few runs might feel pretty average, but over
time you can start to see the improvements, and you
can see it in a very data specific way.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So Strava is something that you are sinking the data
from your wall, you watch or something so you don't
have to take a phone with you. No, No, not at all, No,
because that's part. I mean, it's a funny one because
to me, I sort of when I go for a runner, look,
I want to have your feedback as well. If you
are someone who's into the exercise, whether it be swimming, running, hiking, whatever. Obviously,
if you're an exercise class, that's all being dictated for you.
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But are you using a device and if so, because
there is the other side to it is that I
just sort of think that because some people go for
an and they're listening to music or a gadget all
the time. And I think there are two reasons I
think that's a bad idea. One is it only takes
one moment of an attention when you're crossing the road
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to your favorite tune to get hit by a bus
for sure. But secondly, I don't know. I just it
doesn't feel like you're focusing.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You're losing nature a little bit and the feel of
the situation.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Focusing on your on your on your body. So it
don't mean I'm going around in the state of meditation.
But I'm aware of my breathing patterns. I'm aware of
I'm thinking more just about how I'm feeling. Maybe I
should try and ignore it. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
The only upside I use people I suggest people to
run with music is if we're trying to make a
positive change to their cadence, which is the number of
footsteps per minute. So if someone's particularly low in their
cadence and they've gotten good rhythm, you I've actually created it,
like I'm a bit of Dejai.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Sort of cadence playlist.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
There's a I've got a number of cadence playlists, and
you can actually get them on spot as well. So
if you're really struggling to bed in your technique or
you're sorry your cadence, you can go on to Spotify
and look up say one hundred and eighty bpm, and
the entire playlist will be at one hundred and eighty
beats per minute. Okay, the downside, the downside to Strive
sorry to Spotify, though, is that it's not like a
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proper mixed collection of songs, so in between each song
the rhythm might be slightly out, so that could upset
your your step camp. But I've actually created at home
and on my course, and I'm just launching. I'm actually
adding in about five or six hour long DJ mixes
that people can run to me.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yep, wow ah, look see that's going to really ruin
me now because I'm thinking I need to do it.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Sorry, Tim.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
There's a strange expression. Actually, I didn't realize what I
was when I was saying that I don't run with
a with a device. So I was chatting to a
couple of the younger journalists here and they used an
expression which I understood to be something else. And the
expression for running without a device is raw dogging. Don't
look it up because it also means something else, very naughty,
but apparently it's a young person's thing. It means you're
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going to run without any devices or stimulus. And I
was shocked because I thought they were talking about something
that was not safe for work.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I'm not a proponent of you don't.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Need to use that expression. I'm not going to mean,
but that's the expression that they use for going that devices.
And most young people ave spoken to are shot, not shocked,
but they are like, what do you mean you run
without a device? What do you mean you're not listening
to music? I'm like, what's wrong with you? Can you
just listen to his sense your own breathing? Anyway, Hey,
we want to hear from you. Do you rely on
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a device for your workouts and listening to music? Is
listening to music a good thing? Is that distracting? But also,
if you've got any questions for Greg Pain, he's a
biomechanist and he works with some pretty successful athletes. We
can just put it that way. If you've got any
questions for him about your exercise regime or patterns of
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exercise or issues you've got. He's not a physios a
bi mechanist. It's all about the movement. So give us
a call. We'd love to hear from you on news Talks.
Here b it's twenty three past four, and welcome back.
To the wee can collective the health. Aah, that's more
like it, tire a bit of Billy Joel rather than
that what was that Boka thing? Dreadful dreadful tune anyway.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It was definitely a knock on.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Oh sorry, but yes, sports talk just for three seconds Green.
That was the first tribe from the box. Was was
a trivers But it was not one, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I'm not a rugby for sure. I love watching your blacks.
I love the physicality and I look at it with
a clinical eye the whole time.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
And that was a that was a bit of.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
A shower on there. It's a bit of a quiet
one for the tml on that one, he said in
the wind. But quiet, never mind, We're going to live
with it. Cape Town's next. Right, let's take some calls
about using devices for exercise. Do you rely on them?
Are they a good idea for you? And we and
Greg and I are actually going to go through the
pros and cons because there are some interesting devices you
can use. There's even this thing called it's not really
a device, it sounds like a torture device. A sauna jacket,
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which is something when you're exercising you you're all, well,
I think hot and sweating, hot and sweaty, that's the one,
and not in a good way necessarily. If there's a
good way, I don't know. I don't know what I'm
talking about. Now, let's let's move on. David. Hi, Hey,
how you.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Doing good afternoon?
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Hey, yeah, Look, I'm a big proponent of using devices.
I'll just lay myself there a little bit. I'm I'm,
I'm attached to a device manufacturer, and we we we
do have a very good perstration into that high forman
sports stuff, running marathons, multi events and all of the
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but and look, I use I just just for my
own personal use. Obviously, I went for King k walk
this morning, just and you know, I use the music
part of it for like a metronome for me, you know,
if I'm wanted to pick the paper perfect, you know,
I'm I'm you know, I'm using that. But also obviously
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using the devices biometrics for me just seeing what takes
are going on, whether it be during the day or
most importantly for me as sleep monitoring, see the quality
of sleep I'm getting, not necessarily the quantity, but the
quality of my sleep. I think that's one of the
in my mind, and I certainly and our brands and
not mind is one of the most important metrics you can.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And so so I have a question for you. Then,
if you are trying to achieve they a certain cadence,
or you're trying to achieve a certain goal within the
walk or the run, whatever it is that you're doing,
if the device was to say, go flat or function
in some way, do you think you would still have
the same level of fear relative to achieving what it
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is that you are trying to achieve when the device
is working. Because this is this is something particularly in
the cycling cycling fraternity, but this is something where we
see people who are super device dependent and if their
device fails for whatever reason, they ready struggle to maintain
what it is that they can do.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, look, I think you know it's it's important for
you as a person, as an athlete or as firing
athlete or a beginner to understand how whether it be
a skiing, whether it be skiing or like cycling or
running or whatever yeap kayaking, you should understand get the
feel of the of what you're trying to do without
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a device to sort of you know, necessarily absolutely give
you that what you think is an advantage or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
And interestingly, sorry to interrupt, I mean to be rude.
And interestingly with the kayakers at the Olympics when they're racing,
so when the training they using GPS devices. When you're racing,
you're not allowed to, so they're going purely by feel
and race plan as well. So that makes for a
very interesting shift from you know, working heavily with these
GPS watchers knowing exactly what they're doing when they're training,
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but you don't have that feedback when you're when you're racing,
which I find quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Look, look we see it a lot in our business
and even ski. I was twelve years of ski rit
so I never I never skied on a young age,
and I never had a watch too you know, uh
you know help me ski or you know, look at
the look how fast I went. But nowadays it's kind
of I think we delve a lot deeper into the
into those metrics, whether it be you know, as a
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motivational aid, and I think you know, with our products
and we have you know, cycling very much involved in that.
It's just nice to be about to see how were
you doing.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Hey, David, Well, we've mentioned Samsung on the show and
Garment and you've called up and you haven't volunteered a brand.
So what's what what's your brand that you work for
GM Garment? Oh good on you. Oh well, if you
want me to try one for you for me?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
So hang on.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
So where's where are they manufactured?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
We have a We're based in the US. We have
a Kansas unless Kansas is our head office, but we
also have manif facilities and were in factory in Taiwan,
and we have affectory in Germany.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And I thought, I thought when you said, I thought
you were talking about a manufacturing place in New Zealand.
I thought it was just some local manufacturer. I haven't
heard one of those. Something quite a significant company. Hey,
thanks for you call mate.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Thank you so much. That was awesome.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
You're welcome, you have a great day.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I was dying to know. Let's face it, we already mentioned.
But actually, you know why I don't mind him mentioning
that because he didn't call up to tell us what
it was. He caught up to discuss the topic, and
it's like, you know, what interesting stuff absolute? Actually, I mean,
how do you make a choice about what gadget you want.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Oh, that's a really hard question. I mean, there are
some some big players in the market. I guess it
probably depends on what sport that you're doing. Triathlon would
require something quite different in say cycling. Cycling.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's also clever, though, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I mean, I do think and this is going to
sound a little ridiculous considering I come from a clinical background,
but a lot of it just comes down to looks.
I mean, because a lot of them have got so
much similar, similar functionality, And I guess if you're looking
at delving deep into the data, is it reliable?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Is the watch?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Like some people have heart rate issues because they're using
their watch only as their heart rate monitor versus a strap,
and the heart rate watch can be unreliable relative to
ast I'll.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Be honest, because I've looked at a few and look,
I just have a watch because I don't know. I
propride myself on sort of being old school in a way,
but I did look at some of the product of
our previous caller, and I must admit part of me
was sort of like, am I just looking at this
because I like the look of it, but designers, but.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
They do a very good job.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Designer.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
You can pick and choose and they're all the top
few are producing.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Some What about there are rings?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Are there's an aura ring which is sleep specific, Like
I know a number of my athletes really put a
lot of value on that because we do know in
the athletic space, having high quality of sleep is phenomenally important.
Like it's becoming more understood the level of importance relative
to athletic performance.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Right, let's take some more calls. Thanks for your call, David,
I appreciate it. Where are we up to, Paul?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Hello, Yeah, hi guys. It's a very interesting topic. I've
had a can I say, a Forerunner for a long time,
which I've used, and I I know, even if I'm
not wearing it, I've had a fair idea what pace
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I'm running at, and you know, it tells me every
you know, and I can tell with I can guess
pretty much. But I also listen to podcasts a lot,
and I think that's a really for me.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Can you do can you do that with with the
device you've got?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yes, I carry my phone with me.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
That's the very flags actually just out of curiosity, Paul
are you worried. Are you worried about just the shutting
yourself up from the sounds of the environment and away
from a safety point of view, or.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yes, I'm conscious of that. But if you're running around
parks or streets that you know pretty well, you know,
I'm conscious that you crossing roads. I try and be focused,
but yes you can, but it's not too loud.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
So I have a question for you.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
When you're running with your phone, Paul, where is your phone?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I take it in my pocket.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I've had solder straps or arm straps of four and
various places, but I just found I've got a good
good pants now that's to hold the phone pretty firmly.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Are you running a nice, good firm tight licra then,
so phones not bouncing around?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I may have some just a list your shorts. And
another question I was going to ask was I've been
sick for a week, and how hard is it to
get back into you know, when you miss a week's
training to get back into it doing I've got a
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competition and just over a month's time.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I would say my advice would be And I struggle
to answer these questions because I'm not an exercise physiologist.
But my immediate thought would be, as you're trying to
get back into your training, use your heart rate as
a guide for how hard you are working, not your
perceived not your speed or your perceived level of activity
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or effort, because your heart rate could give you an
indication of party. If you're wearing like a heart rate
strap versus just on your wrist, that's going to be
a lot more accurate. That can give you better indication
as to whether you're working too hard relative to your health,
that you've the health issue you've just had.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Actually, that does sound like a really good opportunity for
that's a really good, really good reason to have a device.
I guess it's a really good benefit from having a device.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I would also, you know, depending on how well you've been,
i'd either get medical advice or if you've got a coach,
I would certainly to talk to them as well.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Hey, by the way, Paul, did you when you chose
your device? Did you go on function or looks?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
To be honest, I mean a half a dozen years.
Suppose it's an old as I said, that's an garment thing.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And they are a classic before runner, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So and a secondhand, only about six months old, and
I was looking at price, really didn't just the struction.
It was one of the better I.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Forgot about that third thing. There's locks, function and price
and of course good on you, thank you so much,
thanks for calling.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Please guys cheers.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Actually, is that quite a useful thing that if you are,
if you are recovering from illness, that if you are thinking, oh,
I've been l so it's gonna I'm gonna feel worse.
But of course, if you've got a device that tells
you what your heart rate and it tells you it's
twenty twenty tlicks above what it should be, that's probably
a sign it's like, actually you need to back off.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And also if you're coming back from injury as well,
it gives you that that greater amount of accuracy by which.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
You are moving.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Excellent, right, we want to want to hear from you
as well, if you've got any questions for Greg. But
in terms of devices, do you run with a device
or exercise with a device, or do you like to
I don't think I can use that expresson you're going
to have used it once, that'll do. But do you
or do you prefer to go without would be the
way I'd put it right. Twenty two minutes to five
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news talks, he'd b and welcome back to the weekend collective.
We're playing this number. Does your mother know by abba?
Because it's one sixty bpm, which I think is my
running speed, but it feels quite slow. Bump bump tree
for five six Maybe the no, that's that can't be
one sixty speed pm. I'm not buying that that anyway.
It's a good excuse to play some ABBA, doesn't It.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Seems too much about how much harder.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Playing as my guest by mechanist to the stars and
me from time to time, well not from time to time.
I'm lucky to be quite useful. We're talking about devices
and are they useful for your training? And actually, how
did you choose one? Did you go looks price or function?
Because I reckon most of us go all that looks good.
I'll probably do enough and tax my pulse, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Or what's at your local run club?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Ah, that's a big thing that's actually becoming a real
problem with some run clubs. People are showing up at
like ten to five in the morning with their carbon
plated shoes and it's getting a little bit competitive with
with what people are using for a slow training.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Run, and you love it. Of someone from the sort
of lydiard Era just turned up on a pair of
sort of plum cells and just kicked everyone's ass.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Some Chuck Taylor one stars or something like that converse
they are.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
That's right, let's take We're going to talk about soon
sauna jackets in just a sec. But first, Steve.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
High, Hi, how you doing?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Can I Steve good? Thank you.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
In my previous role, I was working for a well
known New Zealand appliance manufacturer that was looking to take
its technology into functional based strength based training equipment. And
my role was in part of the innovation team and
looking at different partnerships and I came across the doctor
Phil Methotone method. I don't know if you've haven't, sorry,
(29:55):
and so he's had a method for elite sports people
right down to your average Joe that trains based on
set heart rate for you depending on your limits, and
that can progress over time. And they were looking at
partnering with a watch hardware company. They're all ex Google
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people that had set up this outfit and I've got
one of their watches because they integrated an ECG fingerprint
reader in the side of the watch and is it accurate.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
So the outfit out of Australia does clinical based machines.
They did a lot of work to be able to
integrate that, bring their algorithms across and give you sort
of inner heart health data and oxygen saturation levels and
a whole bunch of stuff that's way overkill for me.
The one thing I do like is it tells me
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what my heart ages in a banding.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
And it looks sorry I was going to say, actually,
I mean I've treated over the years any many athletes,
particularly in the endurance sport who endurance sports, who you
know when they are training will flick into say a
for a rhythme or something like that. So a tool
like this I can see most certainly having a place
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because you can go back over the ECG and see
when and where.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Yeah. So the trick with the UCG though, is you
do it at the same time every day. You've got
to be sitting down in a restaurants day to get
accurate reading, so it's not real time. It does give
you oxygen saturation level.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
That sounds almost like too much information for me, I'd
be freaking out.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Hold hold, Hold, hold your horses. It looks like an
Apple watch. Like it's really classy and small and discreet.
It cost me sixty bucks.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Wow this company, No, No, I don't who is.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So?
Speaker 6 (31:56):
The company's mob void m ob v o I And
you can actually go on white label their hardware and
build your own apps and so interesting point of innovation.
They've got a whole series of different devices. The reason
why I chose it and I love it is because
I've had the smart Watchers and I hate all the
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bells and whistle notifications. I like knowing I'm getting my
steps in. I like being able to track my surface
temperature and you know, my heart rate and stress levels
at different times. And every now and again I duck
in and go at forty five, you've got the heart
of a thirty to forty year old. And then when
I've been a bit slack for a little while, I'm
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ticked back up into a fifty year old range.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
And yeah, I'm certainly going to be looking this up
as soon as we get off the year, that's for sure.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Yeah, if you want to have a yarn, I can
leave my details or grabbed my number, flip me a check.
I can fill you in on more.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I just go on my website yet.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, you can probably get in touch with Greeg through
Biasport dot coat on correat.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Yeah, and I do not have any affiliations.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
I do not at all.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Fair enough, very interesting, thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Actually, by the way, that song I played, does your
mother know? That is definitely not one sixty bpm. That
was way too slow, but it was I enjoyed listening
to it.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Just don't run to it, please un to it.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
No, that was a plot, that's anyway. Apparently wake Me
Up Before You Go Go is also on the one
sixty bpm, but that list has lost its credibility for
that next JS, Hey, now just quickly because time is
running racing away with us. The sauna jackets, I'm guessing
without even knowing what they are, there's something you stick
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on to make then they make you hot and sweaty,
and it sounds just revolting.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
They're becoming a little bit of a They're becoming more
popular in the last few years. I mean, if you
looked up studies sort of prior to twenty twenty one,
you wouldn't see a hell of a lot. They have
been used quite extensively in the boxing fraternity for a while. Basically,
a sauna jacket or a sauna suit is literally like
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a completely waterproof jacket that you wear.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
That were winking.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Yes it's not my capite.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
But when you are training and not racing, they change
the physiological response you experienced. They're basically a novel form
of heat acclimation, so they do. They have been shown
to have positive physiological benefits for the athlete. The evidence
around them. A lot of people use them as a
weight loss tool, which.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You've just lost fluid, Yeah, exactly right. You've done a
sweat at a few grams.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Of exactly right, So you can lose a lot of water,
but you're not necessarily losing weight per se. I mean,
there has been discussions are they a better tool than
post exercise sauna in the answer to that is no,
But they are a damn sight cheaper than a sauna
as well.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I've done a quick google on this actually, and it
says the opening sentences there is limited research on any
meaningful benefits. But here are the risks. The dizziness, faintness, fatigue, headache,
heavy sweating, low blood pressure upon standing muscle cramps, nausea
and weaken rapid pulse.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
And they sort of think, yeah, they are the sort
of thing that you use acutely. You don't use them
for long periods of time if you are training for
a specific event. As I say, they have been shown
to have positive physiological effects relative to running particular endurance sports.
But if you were going to use a tool like this,
you use a lot of caution and you don't just
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suddenly rip into it and go running in a hot
summer's day with a you know, a sauna jacket on,
because chances are you won't make the end of the run.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Right, good advice. I always think, just yeah, I think
anything outside of you instinctively. You can tell me I'm
wrong on this, but to me instinctively in terms of
just what you should be doing with your exercises, let
your body actually do the work. Don't try and do
anything artificial in terms of way addressing. Just keep comfortable.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
So for you and I that you know, I classify
as being age groupers, guys that like to go out
and just try and make sure we look after ourselves
the best way possible. One hundred percent. We don't need
to do any of the sauna stuff. But if you're
an athlete trying to extract the best out of yourself,
so when when it comes to race date, there is
really good evidence around using saunas in particular. And don't
ask me about ice bas because I don't know, and
I think the evidence is ambiguous on ice baths.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
By the way, quickly, somebody's just said, and we get
this regularly anyway. But for those of this person doesn't
understand what cadence is. Yep, Greg, what is cadence? Please?
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Cadence is your.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Step, right, It's the number of steps that you take
per minute. So if you are a runner, your speed
that you run is determined by your number of steps.
That it's a function of the number of steps you
take per minute and your stride length.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
So generally eighty to ninety is a good stri generally
unless you have very long legs or very short legs.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I wok off what I call like a cadence window.
So if you're five foot two or six foot six
and you're running at the same speed, you are not
going to be running at the same cadence. So okay,
it's a key determinant of running efficiency, and also the
speed by which you are running.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Right, let's take a break. It is nine minutes to
five news talks. He'd be if you're running right now
listening to us. This is your one sixty bpm cadence. Okay,
that means a foot strike every beatleless music, okay, as
opposed to the left foot strike, which would be eighty
and that's different. Okay anyway, right in fact on cadence,
we've got what time for one last call? Mark? You've
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got about a minute and a half.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
Oh sorry, I'll be quick. What's the running club in
the Hamilton near? And we had a workshop and I
was told that I need to shorten my stride because
it's I run on my heels more than I should
be running, slept on my feet more.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Just to interrupt, just to interrupt. Do not worry about
what part of your foot makes contact with the ground.
The evidence does not say a lot of coaches say this,
and they are actually factually wrong. Heel striking, midfoot, striking
four foot is fine. It's your cadence, and it's where
your foot lands ultimately relative to your knee, which is
your overstriding and related to cadence. So sorry, carry on,
So don't change your heel strike. Just think about your cadence.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
To my knee.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Ak.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
That's brilliant. Okay, that's that's good advice because I've had
conflicting advice about it, so you just get caught up
with all the different sorts of information.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
So yeah, no, no, you go your run clubs.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I'd get Greg Pain down to have a chat with
you guys.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
Yeah, that's right, we should and I don't.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
I don't use gadgets either, so probably O behalf the
means of the club do. But it's amazing how dependent
they that they are on them when they're running with them,
and if they don't get to a certain place what
we do part runs and they don't get a certain
place in the parkground by a certain time, they sort
of give up on their going for a certain time.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
So if you're trying to increase your cadence, the biggest thing,
even if you're not using a device, is just try
and think about keeping your pelvis forward because that helps
to from a newer muscular perspective. So don't lean forward
too much, keep your pelvis forward and think about just
slightly increasing your cadence.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Not not to and if you want to look for
more information, I think pretty sure you can go to
buiasport dot corder in sid but guess what time is
upon us? Greg, thank you so much for coming on,
thank you for having good to see you again and
look at you can listen back to the podcast by
the Buyer Sport dot cord in Z. If you want
to get more information about Greg Pain, we'll be back
shortly talking about family trusts. News Talk SEDB.
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh my goodness, what is this horrendous music? I think
this is something about South African rugby. By the way,
Tim Beverage, if you've just joined us, this is the
week in collective of the Health Hub. This is the
this is is this a song about the Boka? My
producer who well we won't name her, well, let's just
call her Tyra Roberts. She's she is does have some
(00:31):
South African connections, and her parents have some South have
some Springbok connections actually, and so she's kind of insufferable
right now because she's said she wanted to play a
little song just just to celebrate their great victory. You
can text your feedback on nine to two on what
side we should play if we beat the next week. Anyway,
(00:55):
but look a shout out to Celestine voter, who probably
really enjoyed that result. I didn't really particularly much, to
be honest, but I loved the fact that I've got
my passion back for the all Blacks. So anyway, hey,
by the way, let's get on with it, shall we.
This is the Health Happen in the studio. I would say,
he's sort of a superstar when it comes to buy mechanics.
He's well known to the news talks. He'd be audience
(01:17):
by now, I'd say, and his name is Greek Pain,
a Greek. Here you going.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Thank you for having me, I think. I think there's
probably only about three of us in the entire country,
so it's pretty easy to be a superstar when you
want to be.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
One of the top three.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
There aren't that many around to do what I do,
so that makes it a little easier. But thank you
for having me. I appreciate the stunning intro, and I
was I felt like a celebrity. When I was down
skiing a few weeks ago. There there's two guys were
chatting and they're like, are you that guy Greeg from
news Talks? There'd be from BioSport, And it was the
first time I've ever been recognized, So really, I felt
like everything had just come together.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Was that because they recognized your your voice or did
you say how I'm Greg Pain from news talks.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, they started asking they started asking questions about the
kayaking at the Olympics, and then we're making some sort
of slightly incorrect assumptions as to what.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Was Was this just a general conversation. They didn't know
your connection at all?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
No, no, no, no, you had a chairlift and full faced
Bella Claver. It was cold as and these two guys
start talking about, you know, the kayaking coming up and
what's going to happen, and one of them said something
that I disagreed with, and I'm when you're part of
a team like this, you you pride yourself and keeping
your head down and you do the work. You don't
really stick your neck out. But this time I thought, no,
hang away, you're a little bit wrongly mate.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
He said, how do you know that?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
And I said, I've been part of Lisa's team for
the last sort of four campaigns. Boo far you that
guy Greg from the radio and you leave forward and
struck my hand. I felt like a celebrity. That was
my fifteenth one, probably eight minutes of Captain's cheer time
that I'm a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And when he said it, when I look, everyone knows this,
but you went with Lisa Carrington. But when you been
part of Lisa's team for a while, just.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
A little throw.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You just dropped that one and they're like, oops.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Still still the greatest pride I have.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So yeah, actually you actually we haven't really caught up
since that amazing victory from from our kayakers anyway, But
wasn't it just the most You must have been bursting
with an emotion.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Say, I have never ever watching Olympics. I mean, I
grew up as a sailor. I've worked with Tim New Zealand,
I've got lots of other athletes that have done very,
very well. I have never been so emotionally involved in
a campaign. All three of those women's races in particular,
I was I was a blithering wreck, to be fair,
and that K four wind for me, was one of
the greatest things I think I've ever witnessed as far
(03:27):
as where the girls have come from and where.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
They got to. That was that was just a So when.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
They crossed the line in the first place, you're sitting
it back and you're sitting back in Mission Bay on
your on your couch. Are you just sitting there in
whe a box of tissues and a blubbering mess or what?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I slept through my alarm?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Oh no, I set my alarm to get up, okay,
and I woke up to the news, but I did
not go to sleep. I stayed up to watch the
Key two and the Key one, the K one. I
was shaking and there was there I was holding back
the tears.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
That was so big, fantastic. Well it was. It was
amazing and I think it's something we can all be
very proud of. But hey, by the way, how was
the snow amazing? Was this just recent? This is obviously
just recently.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Few weeks ago, we took the kids out of school
and they were had COVID and inverted comers for the week,
and so we had a week done it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
One you realize this is national radio here. You've just
you've just outed your kids for.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
It wasn't We had a great trip and it's life lessons.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
When you are skiing as a biomechanist, does that mean
you have to be really rock solid on your technique?
Or if I saw your skiing, I'd be like, my goodness, me,
don't don't show in the video on this technique.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I ski it on my own quite a lot, and
it's like any sport for me. When I'm doing something
like that, I spend a lot of time thinking about
my technique and trying to just make those positive changes.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
So you not the most social thing for me sometimes.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Okay, good good on you. Hey, Now look we're talking
about well a couple of things. They sort of overlap
in a way. But the first question that came to
mind when I was going to get you on was
just talking because you if you're dealing with top athletes.
But of course all these issues around fitness and performance
doesn't matter what level you're at. You don't. You can
(05:11):
either be a Olympic athlete or you can be someone
who's going for their first or second you know, jog,
so to speak. But the question around fatigue versus maybe
exhaustion is the same thing. We can get quotum semantics,
but simply you know, obviously you put yourself when you
exercise under a level of stress. But when when is
(05:32):
fatigue a bad thing? Are there different because there would
be different types. When you listen, you've pushed yourself so far,
you've got to stop.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So everything that we do, whether you're talking about what
I do as a biomechanist or what a coach does
and other sort of sports specific practitioners, everything that we
are doing, technically speaking, is trying to quote unquote delay
the onset of fatigue now we know that fatigue has
a negative effect on us physiologically, psychologically, biomechanically, neuromuscularly, cardio
(06:03):
all these sorts of things. Everything that we're trying to do,
particularly in a competitive environment, is delay the onset of fatigue.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Now, a coach, on the.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Other hand, when they are training an athlete, they are
trying to push them well within the sorry outside of
the limits of fatigue in order to get a physiological adaptation,
like they're trying to get a positive change.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
But particularly if.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
You're coming back from injury, like if you've if you've
had something that's chronic or a recurring movement specific issue,
you want to avoid fatigue from my perspective, because we
know it changes. If we're talking about running is the
most obvious example. We know that fatigue changes pretty much
every single one of your biomechanical variables, like whether you're overstriding,
or your cadence or your league stiffness. So if you
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can stay away from fatigue, you're allowed to you can
continue to move in a healthy manner in order to
get physiological adaptation with a reduced risk of injury.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Because fatigue is when you get injured as well. Isn't it.
I mean, if you everything starts losing its sort of balance,
if you have pushed yourself that when you're tired. You know,
and this is a bit of a heart You may
be doing a hell climb or whatever. That's one thing,
but that's just muscles that are tired. But when they
are fatigued, I would imagine that that's when things can
get out of whack. One muscle's not maybe doing the
(07:22):
job that the other muscles depends it depends on it doing.
And then before you night bingo, you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, so sort of what I was saying before, when
you are fatigued, so injuries can typically occur because of
one inherent faulty movement pattern. So let's just say, as
a runner, you're not fatigued, but you have this specific weakness,
say in your butt muscles or your lateral hip or
whatever it is, and you have this more, you have
this what we would call an inappropriate movement pattern that
(07:48):
in itself, over time can lead to fatigue. Sorry, it
can lead to injury. But if you are in a
fatigued state, and as I said before, it's called your biomechanical,
your kinematic variables, which is things like leag stiffness and
tibular acceleration and all these sorts of things. We know
that as soon as you hit fatigue, all those variables
get worse, and that is when we start to see
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an increased likelihood of injury.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Are there particular signs that your body is in a
state of exhaustion or fatigue that is no longer just look,
this is good. You push yourself, You're fine, as opposed
to listen you need to you're just going too hard.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
So if you are new to a particular sport and
you don't have good feel or if you don't have
a tendency of using, say a wearable device, it can
be harder to pick up the key indicators that will
push you into fatigue. So I was listening to a
(08:48):
podcast with one of the world's top long distance triathletes
the other day, and he's a problem. So he's one
of the big german guys, and he knows what are
the key things that he does wrong when he's running.
And so when he is running and when he's starting
to feel that pinch of fatigue, he is constantly scanning
the way that he runs, trying to correct those movement
variables which he knows will affect this performance. Now, if
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you have a tendency of using it, if you use
a device such as a garment or a particularly like
a heart rate strap, all these sorts of things that
gives you really really good feedback, so you can start
to see on your watch or whatever it is that
you're using, you can start to see the effects of fatigue,
and particularly when you look at when you've looked at
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your data after your training event or your race or
whatever it is, if you've got a good eye, you
can actually see your point of fatigue, and over time
you can try and push that further down the path.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You've jumped topics for me already, because that was my
other side of the conversation, and you did say that
the two go hand in hand, but it was about
exercising with gadgets and are they you know, are they
good or or not. But actually, just before we get
onto that, what's you know, we've all well maybe we
haven't all seen it, but probably the triathlons and marathons.
(10:01):
Probably triathlons are the one we've all seen the person
staggering across the line as if they can't even they
can't stand up straight. Sometimes they've even lost I've seen
when they've lost control of their bows and everything. Yes,
I mean are they just knacker? Are they really in
danger of doing some long lasting damage when they're in
that state of exhaustion.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I'm not sure about long lasting damage because they would
be inn the leite athlete, and so therefore they would
have a medical team around them that can assess and
make sure that they are okay. And those sorts of events,
they do have medical teams. They can put them on
a drip and that sort of thing. But a lot
of people in training, just regular age groupers as we'll
call them, do have a bit of a tendency of
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pushing themselves too far, thinking that they are making a
positive difference to their training, but that in itself can
lead to problems. So this is where devices can be. Okay, Now,
devices have pros and cons.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Well, let's get it. Let's get into the devices, because
I'll tell you. I'll actually read out the questions I'd
written down just from my own lay point of view.
The first was should you actually be tracking your with
smart watches and apps? Or are these are they just
acute toy it's like, oh, look how many steps I
did in my run, Look how far I went? Who cares?
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I mean, I don't run with anything apart from the time,
And as you were talking about how gadgets can help
you sort of work out, maybe there'd be a way
of me realizing that I'm being a bit of a slacker.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
So the thing is is that if you go for
a lot, let's just say, whether you're being coached or
whether you've got some sort of plan that you're running to,
the improvements that you will see over time are very
very gradual. So if you and also if you have
a a rating of perceived exertion, if you have an
opinion as to how hard you've trained and how good
you feel, that may not accurately reflect the physiological data
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that a device can provide. Now, if you say I
mean I recommend people, you say Strava or there's a
number of different what Strava. So Strata is basically a
social platform. And when I say social media can have
it so that it's completely private and it's completely free
and no one sees it, or you can have it
in more of a social setting where your friends can
see what you're doing. And Strata allows you to track
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some of that or all of those sort of variables
over time. So if you're if you're training for say
a marathon or a half marathon, whatever, your first ten k,
the first few runs might feel pretty average, but over
time you can start to see the improvements, and you
can see it in a very data specific way.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So Strava is something that you are sinking the data
from your wall, you watch or something so you don't
have to take a phone with you. No, No, not at all, No,
because that's part. I mean, it's a funny one because
to me, I sort of when I go for a runner, look,
I want to have your feedback as well. If you
are someone who's into the exercise, whether it be swimming, running, hiking, whatever. Obviously,
if you're an exercise class, that's all being dictated for you.
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But are you using a device and if so, because
there is the other side to it is that I
just sort of think that because some people go for
an and they're listening to music or a gadget all
the time. And I think there are two reasons I
think that's a bad idea. One is it only takes
one moment of an attention when you're crossing the road
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to your favorite tune to get hit by a bus
for sure. But secondly, I don't know. I just it
doesn't feel like you're focusing.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
You're losing nature a little bit and the feel of
the situation.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Focusing on your on your on your body. So it
don't mean I'm going around in the state of meditation.
But I'm aware of my breathing patterns. I'm aware of
I'm thinking more just about how I'm feeling. Maybe I
should try and ignore it. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
The only upside I use people I suggest people to
run with music is if we're trying to make a
positive change to their cadence, which is the number of
footsteps per minute. So if someone's particularly low in their
cadence and they've gotten good rhythm, you I've actually created it,
like I'm a bit of Dejai.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Sort of cadence playlist.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
There's a I've got a number of cadence playlists, and
you can actually get them on spot as well. So
if you're really struggling to bed in your technique or
you're sorry your cadence, you can go on to Spotify
and look up say one hundred and eighty bpm, and
the entire playlist will be at one hundred and eighty
beats per minute. Okay, the downside, the downside to Strive
sorry to Spotify, though, is that it's not like a
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proper mixed collection of songs, so in between each song
the rhythm might be slightly out, so that could upset
your your step camp. But I've actually created at home
and on my course, and I'm just launching. I'm actually
adding in about five or six hour long DJ mixes
that people can run to me.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yep, wow ah, look see that's going to really ruin
me now because I'm thinking I need to do it.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Sorry, Tim.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
There's a strange expression. Actually, I didn't realize what I
was when I was saying that I don't run with
a with a device. So I was chatting to a
couple of the younger journalists here and they used an
expression which I understood to be something else. And the
expression for running without a device is raw dogging. Don't
look it up because it also means something else, very naughty,
but apparently it's a young person's thing. It means you're
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going to run without any devices or stimulus. And I
was shocked because I thought they were talking about something
that was not safe for work.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I'm not a proponent of you don't.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Need to use that expression. I'm not going to mean,
but that's the expression that they use for going that devices.
And most young people ave spoken to are shot, not shocked,
but they are like, what do you mean you run
without a device? What do you mean you're not listening
to music? I'm like, what's wrong with you? Can you
just listen to his sense your own breathing? Anyway, Hey,
we want to hear from you. Do you rely on
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a device for your workouts and listening to music? Is
listening to music a good thing? Is that distracting? But also,
if you've got any questions for Greg Pain, he's a
biomechanist and he works with some pretty successful athletes. We
can just put it that way. If you've got any
questions for him about your exercise regime or patterns of
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exercise or issues you've got. He's not a physios a
bi mechanist. It's all about the movement. So give us
a call. We'd love to hear from you on news Talks.
Here b it's twenty three past four, and welcome back.
To the wee can collective the health. Aah, that's more
like it, tire a bit of Billy Joel rather than
that what was that Boka thing? Dreadful dreadful tune anyway.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It was definitely a knock on.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Oh sorry, but yes, sports talk just for three seconds Green.
That was the first tribe from the box. Was was
a trivers But it was not one, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I'm not a rugby for sure. I love watching your blacks.
I love the physicality and I look at it with
a clinical eye the whole time.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
And that was a that was a bit of.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
A shower on there. It's a bit of a quiet
one for the tml on that one, he said in
the wind. But quiet, never mind, We're going to live
with it. Cape Town's next. Right, let's take some calls
about using devices for exercise. Do you rely on them?
Are they a good idea for you? And we and
Greg and I are actually going to go through the
pros and cons because there are some interesting devices you
can use. There's even this thing called it's not really
a device, it sounds like a torture device. A sauna jacket,
(17:03):
which is something when you're exercising you you're all, well,
I think hot and sweating, hot and sweaty, that's the one,
and not in a good way necessarily. If there's a
good way, I don't know. I don't know what I'm
talking about. Now, let's let's move on. David. Hi, Hey,
how you.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Doing good afternoon?
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Hey, yeah, Look, I'm a big proponent of using devices.
I'll just lay myself there a little bit. I'm I'm,
I'm attached to a device manufacturer, and we we we
do have a very good perstration into that high forman
sports stuff, running marathons, multi events and all of the
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but and look, I use I just just for my
own personal use. Obviously, I went for King k walk
this morning, just and you know, I use the music
part of it for like a metronome for me, you know,
if I'm wanted to pick the paper perfect, you know,
I'm I'm you know, I'm using that. But also obviously
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using the devices biometrics for me just seeing what takes
are going on, whether it be during the day or
most importantly for me as sleep monitoring, see the quality
of sleep I'm getting, not necessarily the quantity, but the
quality of my sleep. I think that's one of the
in my mind, and I certainly and our brands and
not mind is one of the most important metrics you can.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And so so I have a question for you. Then,
if you are trying to achieve they a certain cadence,
or you're trying to achieve a certain goal within the
walk or the run, whatever it is that you're doing,
if the device was to say, go flat or function
in some way, do you think you would still have
the same level of fear relative to achieving what it
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is that you are trying to achieve when the device
is working. Because this is this is something particularly in
the cycling cycling fraternity, but this is something where we
see people who are super device dependent and if their
device fails for whatever reason, they ready struggle to maintain
what it is that they can do.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, look, I think you know it's it's important for
you as a person, as an athlete or as firing
athlete or a beginner to understand how whether it be
a skiing, whether it be skiing or like cycling or
running or whatever yeap kayaking, you should understand get the
feel of the of what you're trying to do without
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a device to sort of you know, necessarily absolutely give
you that what you think is an advantage or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
And interestingly, sorry to interrupt, I mean to be rude.
And interestingly with the kayakers at the Olympics when they're racing,
so when the training they using GPS devices. When you're racing,
you're not allowed to, so they're going purely by feel
and race plan as well. So that makes for a
very interesting shift from you know, working heavily with these
GPS watchers knowing exactly what they're doing when they're training,
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but you don't have that feedback when you're when you're racing,
which I find quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Look, look we see it a lot in our business
and even ski. I was twelve years of ski rit
so I never I never skied on a young age,
and I never had a watch too you know, uh
you know help me ski or you know, look at
the look how fast I went. But nowadays it's kind
of I think we delve a lot deeper into the
into those metrics, whether it be you know, as a
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motivational aid, and I think you know, with our products
and we have you know, cycling very much involved in that.
It's just nice to be about to see how were
you doing.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Hey, David, Well, we've mentioned Samsung on the show and
Garment and you've called up and you haven't volunteered a brand.
So what's what what's your brand that you work for
GM Garment? Oh good on you. Oh well, if you
want me to try one for you for me?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
So hang on.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
So where's where are they manufactured?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
We have a We're based in the US. We have
a Kansas unless Kansas is our head office, but we
also have manif facilities and were in factory in Taiwan,
and we have affectory in Germany.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And I thought, I thought when you said, I thought
you were talking about a manufacturing place in New Zealand.
I thought it was just some local manufacturer. I haven't
heard one of those. Something quite a significant company. Hey,
thanks for you call mate.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Thank you so much. That was awesome.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
You're welcome, you have a great day.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I was dying to know. Let's face it, we already mentioned.
But actually, you know why I don't mind him mentioning
that because he didn't call up to tell us what
it was. He caught up to discuss the topic, and
it's like, you know, what interesting stuff absolute? Actually, I mean,
how do you make a choice about what gadget you want.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Oh, that's a really hard question. I mean, there are
some some big players in the market. I guess it
probably depends on what sport that you're doing. Triathlon would
require something quite different in say cycling. Cycling.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's also clever, though, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I mean, I do think and this is going to
sound a little ridiculous considering I come from a clinical background,
but a lot of it just comes down to looks.
I mean, because a lot of them have got so
much similar, similar functionality, And I guess if you're looking
at delving deep into the data, is it reliable?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Is the watch?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Like some people have heart rate issues because they're using
their watch only as their heart rate monitor versus a strap,
and the heart rate watch can be unreliable relative to
ast I'll.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Be honest, because I've looked at a few and look,
I just have a watch because I don't know. I
propride myself on sort of being old school in a way,
but I did look at some of the product of
our previous caller, and I must admit part of me
was sort of like, am I just looking at this
because I like the look of it, but designers, but.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
They do a very good job.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Designer.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
You can pick and choose and they're all the top
few are producing.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Some What about there are rings?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Are there's an aura ring which is sleep specific, Like
I know a number of my athletes really put a
lot of value on that because we do know in
the athletic space, having high quality of sleep is phenomenally important.
Like it's becoming more understood the level of importance relative
to athletic performance.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Right, let's take some more calls. Thanks for your call, David,
I appreciate it. Where are we up to, Paul?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Hello, Yeah, hi guys. It's a very interesting topic. I've
had a can I say, a Forerunner for a long time,
which I've used, and I I know, even if I'm
not wearing it, I've had a fair idea what pace
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I'm running at, and you know, it tells me every
you know, and I can tell with I can guess
pretty much. But I also listen to podcasts a lot,
and I think that's a really for me.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Can you do can you do that with with the
device you've got?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yes, I carry my phone with me.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
That's the very flags actually just out of curiosity, Paul
are you worried. Are you worried about just the shutting
yourself up from the sounds of the environment and away
from a safety point of view, or.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yes, I'm conscious of that. But if you're running around
parks or streets that you know pretty well, you know,
I'm conscious that you crossing roads. I try and be focused,
but yes you can, but it's not too loud.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
So I have a question for you.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
When you're running with your phone, Paul, where is your phone?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I take it in my pocket.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I've had solder straps or arm straps of four and
various places, but I just found I've got a good
good pants now that's to hold the phone pretty firmly.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Are you running a nice, good firm tight licra then,
so phones not bouncing around?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I may have some just a list your shorts. And
another question I was going to ask was I've been
sick for a week, and how hard is it to
get back into you know, when you miss a week's
training to get back into it doing I've got a
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competition and just over a month's time.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I would say my advice would be And I struggle
to answer these questions because I'm not an exercise physiologist.
But my immediate thought would be, as you're trying to
get back into your training, use your heart rate as
a guide for how hard you are working, not your
perceived not your speed or your perceived level of activity
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or effort, because your heart rate could give you an
indication of party. If you're wearing like a heart rate
strap versus just on your wrist, that's going to be
a lot more accurate. That can give you better indication
as to whether you're working too hard relative to your health,
that you've the health issue you've just had.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Actually, that does sound like a really good opportunity for
that's a really good, really good reason to have a device.
I guess it's a really good benefit from having a device.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I would also, you know, depending on how well you've been,
i'd either get medical advice or if you've got a coach,
I would certainly to talk to them as well.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Hey, by the way, Paul, did you when you chose
your device? Did you go on function or looks?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
To be honest, I mean a half a dozen years.
Suppose it's an old as I said, that's an garment thing.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And they are a classic before runner, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
So and a secondhand, only about six months old, and
I was looking at price, really didn't just the struction.
It was one of the better I.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Forgot about that third thing. There's locks, function and price
and of course good on you, thank you so much,
thanks for calling.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Please guys cheers.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Actually, is that quite a useful thing that if you are,
if you are recovering from illness, that if you are thinking, oh,
I've been l so it's gonna I'm gonna feel worse.
But of course, if you've got a device that tells
you what your heart rate and it tells you it's
twenty twenty tlicks above what it should be, that's probably
a sign it's like, actually you need to back off.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And also if you're coming back from injury as well,
it gives you that that greater amount of accuracy by which.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
You are moving.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Excellent, right, we want to want to hear from you
as well, if you've got any questions for Greg. But
in terms of devices, do you run with a device
or exercise with a device, or do you like to
I don't think I can use that expresson you're going
to have used it once, that'll do. But do you
or do you prefer to go without would be the
way I'd put it right. Twenty two minutes to five
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news talks, he'd b and welcome back to the weekend collective.
We're playing this number. Does your mother know by abba?
Because it's one sixty bpm, which I think is my
running speed, but it feels quite slow. Bump bump tree
for five six Maybe the no, that's that can't be
one sixty speed pm. I'm not buying that that anyway.
It's a good excuse to play some ABBA, doesn't It.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Seems too much about how much harder.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Playing as my guest by mechanist to the stars and
me from time to time, well not from time to time.
I'm lucky to be quite useful. We're talking about devices
and are they useful for your training? And actually, how
did you choose one? Did you go looks price or function?
Because I reckon most of us go all that looks good.
I'll probably do enough and tax my pulse, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Or what's at your local run club?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Ah, that's a big thing that's actually becoming a real
problem with some run clubs. People are showing up at
like ten to five in the morning with their carbon
plated shoes and it's getting a little bit competitive with
with what people are using for a slow training.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Run, and you love it. Of someone from the sort
of lydiard Era just turned up on a pair of
sort of plum cells and just kicked everyone's ass.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Some Chuck Taylor one stars or something like that converse
they are.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
That's right, let's take We're going to talk about soon
sauna jackets in just a sec. But first, Steve.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
High, Hi, how you doing?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Can I Steve good? Thank you.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
In my previous role, I was working for a well
known New Zealand appliance manufacturer that was looking to take
its technology into functional based strength based training equipment. And
my role was in part of the innovation team and
looking at different partnerships and I came across the doctor
Phil Methotone method. I don't know if you've haven't, sorry,
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and so he's had a method for elite sports people
right down to your average Joe that trains based on
set heart rate for you depending on your limits, and
that can progress over time. And they were looking at
partnering with a watch hardware company. They're all ex Google
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people that had set up this outfit and I've got
one of their watches because they integrated an ECG fingerprint
reader in the side of the watch and is it accurate.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
So the outfit out of Australia does clinical based machines.
They did a lot of work to be able to
integrate that, bring their algorithms across and give you sort
of inner heart health data and oxygen saturation levels and
a whole bunch of stuff that's way overkill for me.
The one thing I do like is it tells me
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what my heart ages in a banding.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
And it looks sorry I was going to say, actually,
I mean I've treated over the years any many athletes,
particularly in the endurance sport who endurance sports, who you
know when they are training will flick into say a
for a rhythme or something like that. So a tool
like this I can see most certainly having a place
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because you can go back over the ECG and see
when and where.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Yeah. So the trick with the UCG though, is you
do it at the same time every day. You've got
to be sitting down in a restaurants day to get
accurate reading, so it's not real time. It does give
you oxygen saturation level.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
That sounds almost like too much information for me, I'd
be freaking out.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Hold hold, Hold, hold your horses. It looks like an
Apple watch. Like it's really classy and small and discreet.
It cost me sixty bucks.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Wow this company, No, No, I don't who is.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So?
Speaker 6 (31:56):
The company's mob void m ob v o I And
you can actually go on white label their hardware and
build your own apps and so interesting point of innovation.
They've got a whole series of different devices. The reason
why I chose it and I love it is because
I've had the smart Watchers and I hate all the
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bells and whistle notifications. I like knowing I'm getting my
steps in. I like being able to track my surface
temperature and you know, my heart rate and stress levels
at different times. And every now and again I duck
in and go at forty five, you've got the heart
of a thirty to forty year old. And then when
I've been a bit slack for a little while, I'm
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ticked back up into a fifty year old range.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
And yeah, I'm certainly going to be looking this up
as soon as we get off the year, that's for sure.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Yeah, if you want to have a yarn, I can
leave my details or grabbed my number, flip me a check.
I can fill you in on more.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I just go on my website yet.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, you can probably get in touch with Greeg through
Biasport dot coat on correat.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Yeah, and I do not have any affiliations.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
I do not at all.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Fair enough, very interesting, thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Actually, by the way, that song I played, does your
mother know? That is definitely not one sixty bpm. That
was way too slow, but it was I enjoyed listening
to it.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Just don't run to it, please un to it.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
No, that was a plot, that's anyway. Apparently wake Me
Up Before You Go Go is also on the one
sixty bpm, but that list has lost its credibility for
that next JS, Hey, now just quickly because time is
running racing away with us. The sauna jackets, I'm guessing
without even knowing what they are, there's something you stick
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on to make then they make you hot and sweaty,
and it sounds just revolting.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
They're becoming a little bit of a They're becoming more
popular in the last few years. I mean, if you
looked up studies sort of prior to twenty twenty one,
you wouldn't see a hell of a lot. They have
been used quite extensively in the boxing fraternity for a while. Basically,
a sauna jacket or a sauna suit is literally like
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a completely waterproof jacket that you wear.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
That were winking.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Yes it's not my capite.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
But when you are training and not racing, they change
the physiological response you experienced. They're basically a novel form
of heat acclimation, so they do. They have been shown
to have positive physiological benefits for the athlete. The evidence
around them. A lot of people use them as a
weight loss tool, which.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You've just lost fluid, Yeah, exactly right. You've done a
sweat at a few grams.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Of exactly right, So you can lose a lot of water,
but you're not necessarily losing weight per se. I mean,
there has been discussions are they a better tool than
post exercise sauna in the answer to that is no,
But they are a damn sight cheaper than a sauna
as well.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I've done a quick google on this actually, and it
says the opening sentences there is limited research on any
meaningful benefits. But here are the risks. The dizziness, faintness, fatigue, headache,
heavy sweating, low blood pressure upon standing muscle cramps, nausea
and weaken rapid pulse.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
And they sort of think, yeah, they are the sort
of thing that you use acutely. You don't use them
for long periods of time if you are training for
a specific event. As I say, they have been shown
to have positive physiological effects relative to running particular endurance sports.
But if you were going to use a tool like this,
you use a lot of caution and you don't just
(35:29):
suddenly rip into it and go running in a hot
summer's day with a you know, a sauna jacket on,
because chances are you won't make the end of the run.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Right, good advice. I always think, just yeah, I think
anything outside of you instinctively. You can tell me I'm
wrong on this, but to me instinctively in terms of
just what you should be doing with your exercises, let
your body actually do the work. Don't try and do
anything artificial in terms of way addressing. Just keep comfortable.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
So for you and I that you know, I classify
as being age groupers, guys that like to go out
and just try and make sure we look after ourselves
the best way possible. One hundred percent. We don't need
to do any of the sauna stuff. But if you're
an athlete trying to extract the best out of yourself,
so when when it comes to race date, there is
really good evidence around using saunas in particular. And don't
ask me about ice bas because I don't know, and
I think the evidence is ambiguous on ice baths.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
By the way, quickly, somebody's just said, and we get
this regularly anyway. But for those of this person doesn't
understand what cadence is. Yep, Greg, what is cadence? Please?
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Cadence is your.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Step, right, It's the number of steps that you take
per minute. So if you are a runner, your speed
that you run is determined by your number of steps.
That it's a function of the number of steps you
take per minute and your stride length.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
So generally eighty to ninety is a good stri generally
unless you have very long legs or very short legs.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I wok off what I call like a cadence window.
So if you're five foot two or six foot six
and you're running at the same speed, you are not
going to be running at the same cadence. So okay,
it's a key determinant of running efficiency, and also the
speed by which you are running.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Right, let's take a break. It is nine minutes to
five news talks. He'd be if you're running right now
listening to us. This is your one sixty bpm cadence. Okay,
that means a foot strike every beatleless music, okay, as
opposed to the left foot strike, which would be eighty
and that's different. Okay anyway, right in fact on cadence,
we've got what time for one last call? Mark? You've
(37:26):
got about a minute and a half.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
Oh sorry, I'll be quick. What's the running club in
the Hamilton near? And we had a workshop and I
was told that I need to shorten my stride because
it's I run on my heels more than I should
be running, slept on my feet more.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Just to interrupt, just to interrupt. Do not worry about
what part of your foot makes contact with the ground.
The evidence does not say a lot of coaches say this,
and they are actually factually wrong. Heel striking, midfoot, striking
four foot is fine. It's your cadence, and it's where
your foot lands ultimately relative to your knee, which is
your overstriding and related to cadence. So sorry, carry on,
So don't change your heel strike. Just think about your cadence.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
To my knee.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Ak.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
That's brilliant. Okay, that's that's good advice because I've had
conflicting advice about it, so you just get caught up
with all the different sorts of information.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
So yeah, no, no, you go your run clubs.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I'd get Greg Pain down to have a chat with
you guys.
Speaker 7 (38:23):
Yeah, that's right, we should and I don't.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
I don't use gadgets either, so probably O behalf the
means of the club do. But it's amazing how dependent
they that they are on them when they're running with them,
and if they don't get to a certain place what
we do part runs and they don't get a certain
place in the parkground by a certain time, they sort
of give up on their going for a certain time.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
So if you're trying to increase your cadence, the biggest thing,
even if you're not using a device, is just try
and think about keeping your pelvis forward because that helps
to from a newer muscular perspective. So don't lean forward
too much, keep your pelvis forward and think about just
slightly increasing your cadence.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Not not to and if you want to look for
more information, I think pretty sure you can go to
buiasport dot corder in sid but guess what time is
upon us? Greg, thank you so much for coming on,
thank you for having good to see you again and
look at you can listen back to the podcast by
the Buyer Sport dot cord in Z. If you want
to get more information about Greg Pain, we'll be back
shortly talking about family trusts. News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
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