September 18, 2024 • 39 mins
We've been here before, but like everything to do with parenting, it needs revisiting over and over to drive it home. Should an 11 year old have a cell phone? We say no, but Jordan's daughter thinks otherwise. Let's hash it out.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
This is an iHeartRadio New Zealand podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Look, we've been here before, but it's cropped up in
Jordan's life again. So today we're revisiting the conversation of
kids and phones.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
She's passionate. She's eleven, and today this wasn't going to
be the topic. But she came home hot today. It's
like she'd been school speeches has just finished, and I
think that she still has a bit of that learning
in her right and that passion about school speeches. So
she had points and she could argue everything. I would say, like,
I'm like, boom, Sam mean line about not mean, like mean,
(00:46):
but a great line, So a great line to nip
it in the but like, you know, this is the
reason you're not getting the phone. She would have something
just and she said that age where they do that anyway,
but she'd has something to fire back.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
At me, but it actually made sense. I'm like, oh shit, quickly, pivot.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Pivot, And the other reason you don't need a phone,
right is because.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
This too okay? And she's like, oh shit, pivot, pivot again. Bad.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So today we need to reinvestigate, reevaluate our position on
young kids having focus. We're back Betty, and it's a
Tuesday night.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It's an evening record. I've got a drink.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
And I've been big on being aware of trying not
to drink during the weekdays. It's been my thing since
summer finished. I've been going okay, but then today the
excitement of we don't usually record in the evening and
it just just needed that little excuse just to be like, oh,
might just.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Go see what's in the fridge.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
There was no beers, So I've got a glass of
something something, something sav.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And you have what I've got a craft beer.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
And I won't call them out because they sent me
these for free. But I didn't look at it before
I grabbed out of the fridge. But it's a It's
a chili pillsner made with Kai tire fire.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
If you sipped it, heel was, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Just sipped it. It's spicy. It's spicy beer. It tastes
like a beer with like a jialipino, like a like
a red like a chili in it.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Exactly how I want my beer on a hot summer's day.
I don't want a bad mouth. You're free prber that
got sent to you. But the alcohol for tonight is
taking the edge off the fact that as I sat
down and opened my laptop screen and you send me
a little, a little zoom link every week and I
have to click on that just as I open the screen.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Up Hi from Plenty Council.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Here's your rates and voice for is the shittest way
to kick off the podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Like I just wanted to say, if you rates are
the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You finally grow up, you become an adult, and you
get to a point where you might be out of
a position to buy a house. You scratch everything together,
you can you buy that house. You slowly drown and
freak out on the thoughts of making payments, and you're
trying to figure out what principal means and inter rates,
and then all of a sudden, something that you're not
(03:19):
saving for Hey man, there's.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Your two and a half thousand dollars rates bill. And
that's not for the whole year, that's just for a
part of the year. We're gonna ask you for this
again in six months time.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yep, yep. And it's not until you start paying rates
that you really become that boomer that you knew when
you were younger, where you start noticing every pothole in
the street, and you're like, what the what the bloody
hell am I rates paying for? There's a hole on
the street over there, there's bloody graffiti on the fence
down the road. What are my rates even paying for?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Rates in my area? Real boomer chat, we won't stay
here too long have doubled in the last six months.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, just I don't know. Again, I'm new to home ownership. Yeah.
I was like, isn't that illegal?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, like, we've gone from.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Paying two and a half thousand dollars a year to
now two and a half thousand dollars every six months.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It was something like that. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I know yours hasn't because you were smart enough to
fix your mortgage for long enough. But also mortgage rates
have doubled in the last two years as well, so
you're now playing paying if yours has rolled over, you're
paying double mortgage and double rates. Did you get a
double pay rise? No, I don't think So.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It's not only fans.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
We got to start our only fans channel together, man,
not together, although that could do quite well.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Hey, I like you also quite looking forward to my
beer with this podcast. This beer is so bad that
I can't drink it, and I feel like I'm missing out.
So you're gonna have to excuse me for a second
while I get a replacement beer, because I can't sit
here and watch you have a drink while I ye
want to drink this beer.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Drow mate, I'll keep them entertaining you go. I'll be
right back.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I gotta run downstairs to the beverage.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
How about though, this sounds like a piss stake, But
how about the weather?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Okay? Everyone in New Zealand is being like I know,
am I right?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
The South Island? We thought winter was done. The South
Island of New Zealand covered in snow again, randomly, out
of the blue, there's a storm coming over. No, we'll
definitely edit this out. Go, I'm real, so we'll just
cut now. Clint's back. Clint's back. It's really really weird
to try and do a podcast on your own.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
He's back.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Thank god, I'm back. What did I miss?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Real good stuff that you one hundred percent edit out?
It's really hard.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I'm gonna hear it when I edit it.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Anyway, It's really hard to podcast on your lone.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, before were kicking to the podcast. I
had a real dad brain fade moment this week, which
I thought i'd tell you about. I left for work
today at twelve o'clock and my wife came home at
one o'clock and she sent me a snapchat of the
fridge door wide open, and I'd gone to work and
just left the fridge completely open.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, that's a new one. You don't hear that often.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, I didn't feel like that's something I would do,
but I did. Unless there was a burglar who came
into a house and just ate one piece of salami,
I left the fridge open.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I'm having not on a scientifically, but enough so that
Jodie's noticing early on set like I'm an idiot and
fades bro like we went to this. We went away
on the weekend down to the snow. It was a failure.
The weather was terrible and the mountain shut and and
do you think I could find my keys? And then
that became a big thing, like Haha, we can't get
(06:26):
out of here now.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Because Jordan's lost the keys and.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The next minute I've lost my wallet, and then I
don't know where I've put my.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Taran behavior like that, I'm thirty six. Seriously, it worries me.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I'm thirty six and now I flash back to our
head knock chat.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's all from that big head knock I had. I
killed a lot of gray matter in this brain.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I get talking to me like that as well. She
was out on Sunday and I took the girls to
swimming lessons and she said to me in a way
that my mum speaks to my dad, and she goes,
and what time are the swimming lessons and who is
in the pool first? And what do you need to
pack for swimming. I was like, don't talk to me
(07:08):
like that. Swimmings at eleven twenty, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
At the same time orso poor Jody.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I do wind her up where it will be something
like tennis, and she's like, you've got to get the
girls because I'm a gymnastics You're going to get the tennis.
And I'll just be like looking at the dog, and
then she'd be like Jordan, and I'll be yeah, yeah,
I'll put the dinner on.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Just don't wind her up. Yeah yeah, I'll put the
chicken in.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Does how's the kids lead into the topic today? Should
I go first.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, you go first, mate.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
They're great, is always happy, healthy. Where we're two weeks
out from school holidays, one and a half weeks out
from school holidays, we're just crossing the fingers that they
don't get sick like they usually do the week before
the school holidays because we want to beat them to
be able to go away to the grandparents for at
least a few days. So that's what we're crossing our
fingers for. But Lucy helped out it. Maggie's kindy earlier
(07:59):
this week, and she goes in and does every parent's
expected to do, like a morning A quarter of parents
help in there. Yeah, it's quite a lot. Yeah, well
every family, I say every parent, every family. I haven't
done any of them. So Lucy goes in and spends
the morning there and Maggie it's a rarity. So Meggie's
(08:19):
like quite attached to her, Meggie my three and a
half year old. And then as Lucy went to leave,
Meggie whales absolutely puts on like the water works and
Lucy had to like shake her off and be like
going because they're usually fine directly after you leave them.
And then forty five minutes later she get to text
from the teacher saying, Hey, I'm sorry, but you're gonna
(08:40):
have to come and get Meggie. She's she's not herself.
I actually think we actually think that she might be unwell.
She's not eating her food. You need to come and
get her. So she did. She went and picked her
up like three hours early from kindy and then have
her listened to this message that I got from Lucy
while I was at work after she went and picked
her up.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Meggie, what did you just say to me about parent help?
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Were you loved me helping her parent help?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Then what happened?
Speaker 5 (09:07):
I love you. I loved you doing pealing helping and
in your list. And then I cry like a baby. Yeah,
and I Clyde and Clyde and Clyde, and then I
cry Clyde and Clyde and cly and Clyde.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
She's freaking putting it on. She's learned that if she
does these things, she's learned how to manipulate her own teachers.
Because we brought her home, she took her temperature and
we monitored her. Within five minutes of being home, she
was jumping on the couch like it was a trampoline.
She knows she's figured it out.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Hard to be angry though, when that little voice talks
like that, and then I quiet, and then and then
then and then I quiet, and I quiet and quite baby.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So my kids are good, but potential one master manipulator
on the way. How's your kids?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
My kid's good today? In terms of topic, it's scattery
and all over the show. This isn't the main theme,
but it ties it nicely in terms of right now
is to wiki or today Marty, which is Maori language
week and I've mentioned that album. My second kid is
in Kappa Haker, which is Maori performance and song and
dance and performance, And it is just rubbing off so
(10:27):
much on Nala and the fact that Narla could almost
step in and be part of Kapa Hakka like at
home at school she's really shy about it. Yeah, but
at home she is doing all the actions. She's popping poocunners,
she's doing the big eyes at me, and she's got
everything downpacked. And so this evening I'm just laughing, like
I wish I could be filming.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
This, but they'd be like Dad, stop.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
But they're all rushing to do Kapa hak because they
know sport was coming. On and like dad, Dad, Dad,
let us do our all three of them up there
and it's just a real cool moment where we have
not mentioned Marty Language Week. We have not mentioned that, Hey,
this is a big week for you know, acknowlogy Mali
language and they're up there just ripping coupp a hacker
performances song after song, nailing them and I'm like me
(11:12):
and Jay like this is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Cool is pretty damn cool.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
We've talked about it before how our generation was kind
of the changeover where it was something we wanted to
have happen. And the cool thing is that for their generation,
it's not even a thing like it just no, it's
just part of you know, like they won't that the
goal is that in ten years they won't even needs
have it, but they won't need Maori Language Week, you know,
(11:36):
because it will just be so much more normalized.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's and it's part of me like whenever it is
Mali Language Week, I used to but I kind of
don't now part of me doesn't acknowledge it or make
a big deal because I'm like I tried you throughout
the year, just sprinkle like my big thing I've mentioned
before is just pronouncing place themes is the most entry
level thing that all New Zealanders should be doing and respecting.
And I make sure I do that too, like all
the time. And I'm like, so sometimes I think it's
(12:01):
a bit okay everyone.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Like if I was to just because and you, I
get it.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Other influence like us or creators, you feel a little
bit of pressure if other people start posting things like oh,
but for me, sometimes you can feel a bit token like, oh,
I quickly have to jump on this bandwagon. I'd rather
do what I do And yeah, I'll do videos or
I'll do a video about Marti language and pronouncing things
correctly outside of Marti language.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Like in a month, like, hey, we're still here. It's
still a problem.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
You can still throw punch your racist grandmother, you know,
just before she dies and be like, yo, it's bloody
topoor man, it ain't telpo, it's sucking queer as So
this week, Clint, we've been talking about a top picular
on the week and we're trying to forget what we're
going to chat about. And as he's messaging me today,
(12:48):
I then got a trouble for looking at your message
come through because I knew it was you. I am
in a heated not heated, but a serious battle discussion
with Miela because she's come home again my eleven year
old about wanting a phone, like it's been a long
time since we've kind of chat and she knows where
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we're at.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And now, though.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Research for us, for people who are just joining the podcast,
now reset your stance on phones and kids.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Don't take offense parents out there who have bought their kids' phones.
My belief is kids at that are ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,
they don't need phones. The one percent of goodness of
why you want that kid to have a phone so
you can contact them when they're at their rugby or
nipple training or basketball training, and then other ninety nine
percent is terrible shit that they don't need. So my
(13:39):
argument is, if you do need a phone for a kid, right,
we say, get the dumb phones or the dumb down
phones that don't have all the social media apps. But
and so that's my stance. I'm strongly for that stance.
And it really baffles me how my eleven year old
has friends in her group who have phones and I
know that they're not over the other side of totong
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after school.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It's some training. I know that they live very similar
lives to my kid. We we're all in this.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Bubble, like they don't be need in the phones. They
can pop into an office or a reception or grab
the landline and cook. So I think a lot of
parents just are so blase to the dangers of phones.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And I get it.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
There'll be parents rolling like and they're the parents that
just haven't stopped to think. Anything that pops into your
kid's imagination at night time is at their fingertips in
their bedroom on their dressing table to type in, and
they can be seeing the weirdest, stupidest chatting to some
fifth year old dude who's saying that he's a twelve
year old kid. All that bad stuff pops into my
mind and I know why why, even it's like giving
(14:39):
them a loaded gun. That's my rant over, that's my
position on phones. And my kid very much knows my
stance on phones. So she comes home today and hates it,
and she's really and she's getting a bit welled up
about it, and she's got way more fighting points this time.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Like everything I.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Say, did you have a lot of friends with phones?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Now, so I've told you how they've been doing puberty
chat at school.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah, shout out, shout out to the teacher, mister cart
who's been listening.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And today it was a pupil, was a teacher. No, sorry,
miss te Kane.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Oh okay, sorry mister yeah, yeah sorry.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Again today I'm Ali week and I'm I'm pronouncing. I'm
saying things too quick. I need to slow down, miss,
But you can see how. And she said, oh, we
had more puberty chat today, but it wasn't this is
before she's asked about the phone.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
She's in the car, but it was about like.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Social media puberty like and I just straight away like, yeah,
like never ever send a new photo of yourself to someone,
A like this is the first thing that ever kept
Like I just I was just putting that out there,
even who mates here in the in the car, don't
be doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
A that's that's not a thing.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
And she's like, no, the embarrassing thing was miss is like, oh,
I presume all of you have a phone because they're
year seven and year eight, so they're eleven and twelve.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I don't know if Mila's making this spit up, but
the teacher's you know, I guessing all of you have phones,
so anyway on and Mila's like, no, I don't, and
she says that people laughed. I won I feel like
she's told a white lie there. But she said the
fact she was saying is that she kept turning off
because every time MS would mention, so when you are
on your phones means I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Have a phone. So she said she wasn't, she was
checking out.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
But she comes home and she's got this big list
of everyone. She swears that everyone has a phone. Everybody
has it, and I'm going, what do you want? So
I've mentioned how the safe one that all the kids
her age have is Messenger Kids, which is Facebook Messenger
for kids that all the kids that are on there
have to be approved by parents, right, So she's got
(16:44):
the small little friend group. They chat, they're all aware
that we can see the chat if we wanted to.
And so she's like, Dad, I want to find blah
blah blah. And I was like, yeah, but look, I
don't want you jump on the internet and I don't
want you getting apps, and she said I won't.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I just need Messenger Kids.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's like, yeah, you've got that on the iPad, the
family iPad, You've got no, no, no, But I want
a phone so I can have my own message kids.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
So I was like, what, so you can have it
in your bedroom and be on message your kids or
no no no, And so I said, so I can
come in at a certain point, take that off you
and put it away for the night.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So I'm like, so basically the iPad, So like, merely,
you don't need a phone. You have this all on
the iPad. You only go on Messenger kids a little
bit in the morning and a little bit in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
And that's it.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So you don't And she's like, but Dad, I do,
I do, dare And she's just giving me all these
She's given me all these points, and her little eyes
are welling up and we're trying. Jody's behind me kind
of like, shit, I don't know what to say, Like
she's bringing up some points here, and she's like, but
when it doesn't help when I'd say joky lines like
when you're eighteen, when you're eighty, but I go seriously,
(17:48):
and me and Jodi were saying, look, there'll be a
moment where mom and dad where we will be like,
this is the time you need one. Now you have
nipple training that's an hour away on the other side
of town twice a week, and you've got this after
school where you're not getting dropped off till five pm.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You one hundred percent need a phone. Now.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Our lives are too that we can't be picking you
up and you need to be catching a bus or something.
Now's the time that you need a phone because you
need to be able to contact us at a moment's notice,
or we need to be able to get in contact
with you. And that isn't right now, Mela. Okay, your
bubble is tiny right now, and we are taking you
to and from places you don't need a phone. And
I was trying to explain the idea of how bad
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they are. I was like, Meela, there's a little bit
of you want to message your kids, just opens up
the can of worms of all this other stuff. But
she was so angry that she just would shut off
her brain to that.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
No, and it'll be an emotional thing for her now too,
because it's personal and you're not giving her this thing
that she feels, she'll feel inside her that she desperately
needs it for even if she does, even just for acceptance.
She needs it so that she fits in.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And that's the hard part. I feel for it is
the hardest.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But depriving kids of that stuff doesn't hurt them long term,
like it it is still character building. It'll feel like
the end of the world at the time. I remember
the school that I went to, a lot of the
kids were from wealthy families and we weren't a wealthy family,
and I felt that not having the cool skate shoes
or the top of the line rollerblades that was social suicide.
That was the end of everything. But ultimately, look at
(19:19):
me now, I'm a cool guy. I'm fine. So it
won't be the end of the world. But you're right,
I get, but I get the tears. Like if she
feels passionately about it, I still feel like that sometimes
when you're talking about something too passionately and.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Like I just listen, just what I believe, Okay, So,
and I can take myself back to her age, like
I'm one of those elephants. I have very like strong,
vivid memories. I can take myself back to eleven, twelve, thirteen,
at school, fourteen, all of it.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I can go s what it was for me.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
It was my parents allowing me to have a beer.
That's what I felt really passionately about, because all the
kids in my class were like, yeah, our parents let
us have a bear on the weekend. And I used
to say to my parents, why won't you let me
have a beer? And I remember like crying about it,
which inflection I'm like, that guy's definitely not ready for
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a beer.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
All my friends when I was fifteen, I was young,
so they had all turned sixteen I was fifteen. All
of them got to go away together to New Year's
and fung A.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Matar or.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Sorry to be sorry Muldi language week where everyone refers
it to as wanga. Everyone went to Wanga and it
was the big craze to go to Wanga, and Dad,
who was the cruisiest guy at the time, just said, nah,
now boy, you're not going. So I had I was
up to at that age. I was allowed to have
a beer, but I had eight warm dbie bidders at
the beach with my stepbrother and stepsister on the beach
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at Portwakator and it was so lame.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And I'll always remember.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That, Yeah, give it, that's a really sorry, we're getting
really off track. But giving your teenager warm beers is
a really good way to slow them down because they
get fizzier in their stomach. They can't get as many beers.
And so you say, ye, do that, Yeah, they don't.
They don't science, they don't sit as well, and you
can't drink as many when they're warm. So you go, yep,
you can have a six pack and you give them
(21:10):
a six pack of ex Book gold, which is like
four and a half percent, and they'll just they'll be
burping their guts out.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I wonder if you need to give her a hard
and fast number, because what you're talking about with the phone,
it's nowhere. It's this hypothetical maybe land of getting a phone.
But if you said to her fourteen and then there's
like a thing that all the kids can go cool,
that's how milestone. That's when we can get a phone
as well.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
But technology, you are moving so fast that yeah, this
is me kind of comically as fasting forward in future.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Technology is moving so fast.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
By the age time they're fourteen right now, there'll be
some kind of helmet that has it live streaming on
their own face. Twenty four to seven and I'll be like, no,
you don't need that, but I hear you, and I
wanted to go back to I get and maybe that's
the pear pressure that other parents who might not have
as such a hard line as I do, end up
saying yes because maybe they relate or they get a
(22:08):
bit more mush mushy and connected to that idea. If
you are missing out, you're the you're the kind of
ugly duckling of the group where everyone's got one and
you don't. And I'm aware that that's her right now,
but to me, that's not a big enough reason to
give her something that is going to change, is going
to change who she is so much. And I said, oh,
(22:28):
I said to her, I go answer me this. Do
you think me getting your phone means that you're going
to hang out with us as the family and keep
playing outside with us and stuff as much.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
As you do right now?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Or do you think a phone's going to mean that
you play inside on your own way more? And she
just smirked because she knew the answer, and she's like, yeah,
you've got me there, Like there's some points I'll say
where she does click and she's like, no, no, no,
because Dad, then I can ask Siri or Alexa how
many outside games we could play.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
She's quick, She's quick.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Do you think that some parents use it as an opportunity,
like for a trust exercise. They don't want to give it,
but the kid really wants to get a They've had
a back and forth and they go, Okay, we're going
to take this opportunity to trust you with a phone.
But if this first hint of you doing anything that
we've said that we don't want you doing on it,
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getting apps, going on websites, that sort of thing, then
the phone is gone.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Here's the blunt, honest truth that'll be clipped into a
social media piece. Yeah, my blunt honest truth about parents
in regards to giving their kid a phone and when
to do it as I think a large percent of
them don't even think about it. You and I we're
quite aware, and we sit and we process and we
think about how we're being parents. I think that's the
(23:45):
biggest step of being parents. That stop and question your
own parenting is the best sign that you're trying to
give it your best crack, right. I think there's a
very large percent of parents that are just like, oh,
you want to, don't stop to think a heartbeat. They're like,
oh you're ten, sweet, you're eleven. Yeah, I'll get you one.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Boom, there you go, no thought.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I know parents like this. I know and circles parents
like this, And I think it's just here you go. There,
you goo out of my hair. And I don't know
if it's busyness of lifestyle, but that to me.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
They're going to go eventually. I might as well just
give it to them.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, And that to me blows my little mind. That
baffles me. I'm like, oh, there's there's so young, there's
a wild world. There's no come back you.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You've lost your kid, man, You've lost your kid to
the dark. Their whole life is going to be attached
to a screen.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
We know this. As adults, we know this.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
The whole life is going to be with a computer, tablet,
a phone. Hold off as long as you can on that.
Don't it sounds real. I'm not a crazy conspiracy matrix thing,
but don't lock them into the matrix at flipping ten
or eleven them you want them to be You want
them to run off and breathe the ear like.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
We don't want to be on these phones. We wish,
we wish we would take our phones off us.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
We like to think we'll go we're not we all
are we all are?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
We are all addicted. There's a very small percent of
the will that can actually say I'm not addicted, and
they're actually telling the truth, and they're not all of
us are. We know that we catch ourselves death scrolling,
doom scrolling. We know that we find ourselves watching things
we shouldn't be And you want your kids sprain just
to turn to mush Oh, I worry, I stress out.
I worry too much. It worries me about who these
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parents are.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Like.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Bro, take us to pump the brakes. Don't be given
your eleven twelve year olds a phone. But I feel
like I've transported myself back to eight months ago when
we first brought up this topic, and I've got even but.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Our positions haven't changed. Did you see it was in
the news this week? Though it was the news, it
was in the news. So the beginning of this year
was the beginning of the cell phone ban in schools,
which is one of the things that the new government
brought in. And I think it's who'd they get it from?
Have done who'd they get it from?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Who?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Okay, the first time we talked about phones, what video?
And I just posted ban phones and schools.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh oh damn, are you influencing government policy over.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
There the whole Like I thought that was where you
were going.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
You may have forgotten, but I had just posted a
big how to dad rant out, Yeah, hey, here's an idea.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Teachers.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You have the power of being teachers, right, yeah, band
phones and skills cannot The kids can hand them in
when they get there, if they need them, they can
hand them in when they get there, or they stay
in their bag the whole time, and you police it
and problem solved. You got kids actually hanging out at
lunch times and all this. We did a big episode
off the back of it. And then this govern new
government comes in and they're like, we've got a great
(26:29):
idea that we didn't instell from a legendary politician.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
How to dad, and now, yeah, you're right, you carry
the idea.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
It was.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It turns out at what every school now by law
has to ban phones in schools. This week, I think
it was Mount Roskill Grammar came out and said that
the phone ban has been the best thing that they
have had for their school in a long long time.
They said that kids are out in the playground again
at lunch time. They said, the playground is noisy at
(26:59):
lunchtime again. And they said one of the best things
they've seen from the cell phone band is that a
kid kicked a rugby ball through a though. And they
were so happy because kids were playing with rugby balls
again at lunchtime. And it seems now that it's done,
it seems like the most obvious thing of all time
that these kids are zombies at lunchtime down here like this,
(27:20):
communicating with each other on tiny little screens. But I
guess if it comes on incrementally because phones have got
incrementally better and better and more and more connected, and
data has got cheaper and cheaper, maybe you didn't quite
see the slow creep of it coming into your school
yard over the last ten years. But then to rip
it out and then to see the stark contrast, you know,
(27:40):
it's like these kids have had their childhood given back
to them for at least six hours a day.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I was so happy to I was annoyed that the
government's claimed that this was the amazing idea and might
know this is this is common sense.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I get annoyed.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's common sense.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I get annoyed of how schools themselves.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yes, there'll be some out there, and hats off to
you hadn't introduced this five years earlier.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Like, I just don't understand.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Ye, if you are the principal of a school, you
walk around at lunch time, you see, Hang on a second,
why are no of these kids doing stuff?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Why are they all over they've.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Got another private channel to bully other kids? Why the secrets?
We weren't allowed to pass notes in school? Why would
kids be allowed to send messenger messages at school?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I know I'll forever be baffled by the fact that
nothing was done earlier and now that it's being done
and the government might get praised.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And I think that news is the best news ever.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
The fact that they're saying, look, we actually have to
put up signs now to remind the kids, hey, you
can't kick balls in this courtyard area, like, and they've
had to make more four square squares to accommodate kids playing,
which is the classic bounce the ball on the ground
to each other, Like they've had to make new This
is the best news ever.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Sorry, what our.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Kids are unplugging that they're pulling out the car now
reeves matrix and they're being kid classic Kiwi kids.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
And.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I like it during COVID when everything shut down
and there were those videos online of dolphins swimming up
the canals of Venice again and we're like, wow, nature
is healing. Kids out there playing with rugby balls now
that we've taken their phones away is the same thing
to me. It's the same energy.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Dolphins were just totally last day, just a real real
whack pot of dolphins.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
What are you up to?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Bro Venus is full of a lot of shit around
in USA.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I think we've got our point of crops and I
think that's a really good update. And I know you
don't need encouragement, but hold the line because I need
you to hold out on this phone as long as possible,
because I plan I know it's a long way away
from me, but I plan on running the same line
with my girls. Bank getting no phone, may get no phone.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
What I would love, I really would love.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And I know you might be Look, we're not going
to be naming and shaming, but I would love to
hear from a parent one that backs me up as
passionately as I preach it.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I'd love to hear for any any other parent.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It's out there with kids around this eleven twelve age
and they're trying to hold off. But I'd also like
to hear an argument from a parent who's just gone, Yeah,
my kid, I got my ked a phone and a
living and.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
What you're gonna do about it? My kid's fine. The
world hasn't ended. You chill out.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
How to dad, how to how to how to be
uncool dad? That's what you sound like, your big patchy
beard mould vocle.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, debate us, debate us. We've got two guys who
just agree with each other and I just pat each
other on the back.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Like every podcast out there in the world. Yeah, you
and me, Bro, we're the funniest guys in the room
right now.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Just confirmation bias. You're like, you are so right.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I am right.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
We should make a video out of us. But let's
make a whole podcast out of it.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Your mustache fantatic, your beer choice terrible. I gotta say that.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I had other stuff to jump into, but I'm gonna
save it because we've we've we've feeled some passionate.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm a little sweaty.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
My wine has flushed my cheeks a bit with rage,
cell phone rage, but also the jaw is real.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I just think, and I think that wherever you are
in the.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
World right now, and if you're a parent of that age,
or you're part of like school boards and that and
your school isn't doing this, I like to think that
we're going to have some internationals contacting us being like, hey,
this is a Mary from Minnesota. I just want to
say that I've taken it to our school board and
they're gonna band films.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
You guys are amazing. Thank you Dad.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
We want to you to come both of you be
president of our fine country and the next election.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
We're going to take a break because we do have
some feedback on what is the hardest age?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Oh yeah, this was good too.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay, last week we asked you guys, what is the
hardest age to parent? Because Jordan believes that he's in
it right now with his kids who.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Are six nine and eleven six ' nine eleven and look,
I posted a cold, straight to the point but of
content saying exactly that I'm in the hardest point and
for us, it popped off, a lot of people debating,
people jumping in, a lot of people doing.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
The tut tut tut, like just you wait, shoe you wait.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
The whole thing was off the just you wait because
it doesn't seem to get any easier. So anyway, here's
a message from Brad who said, hey, boys, I listened
to this week's podcast. Glad I could get those settings
changed and hopefully you see this message. Oh yeah, our
dms are open now. Everybody can dm us. That's just
a reminder if you've struggled dming us before, it should
(32:34):
all work now. I've got a seven year old girl
and identical twin boys that are five. I think any stage,
no matter the age, with twins is the hardest. They
fight like cats and dogs, so this it was very relatable.
The boys are either best friends or hate each other,
there's no real in between. And then you've got the
(32:56):
big sister just trying to be the boss the whole time.
So yeah, okay, we didn't consider that. Twins. It's a multiplier.
It's a multiplier.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
But with most twins though, the easy solution is you too,
and one towards the dark gaming corner of the house
and you set up a gaming room and the other
one you get out there and give them a ball, okay,
and then they stay out of each other's They stay
out of each other's way. One of them is hard
out on call of duty, is playing fall Out four
or whatever the games are, and the other ones out
(33:25):
there trying to make the American which.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Everyone starts to develop muscle mass first. That's why you
stare straight.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Into and then you just steer them against each other.
One's a drop, one's a nerd, and then they don't fight.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Suck if you've got the mustly one into gaming by mistake.
Here's a message from Lisa.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Hey Clinton, Jordan is Lisa from Pepperma Here. Yeah, I've
got a seventeen year old and a twelve year old,
and yeah, the five years difference is actually quite hard.
I got one teenager that is highly, highly social. She's
got a mess a big group of friends that like
to come around most weekends. And when I'm talking massive roof,
(34:04):
I'm talking twelve to sixteen people in my house every
single weekend till late on a said tonight. And I've
got a twelve year old that also wants to do
everything the big kid's doing, and why can't I go
down to the plaza with them and hang out? And
why can't I do this at this time of night
and all that sort of stuff. So that is quite
a hard stage. It's an interesting conversation to see what
(34:25):
other people do. My third seventeen year old, she's a
real good kid. I don't have to worry about her
at all.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I'm sorry you have twelve to sixteen seventeen year olds
in your house every Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Did she just follow up with the seventeen year olds?
The real good kid?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, the real good kid that somehow has manipulated you
over years. You and dad right, and convince you that
that's a real normal thing. Mum, Why can't I have
my twelve best friends over?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
That's not normal?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Can't have an entire soccer team here every weekend?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Nip that in the butt? In the butt, what's the
same but in the butt? Well, just trim that. Change
the house rules. You get to bring two mates over.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
On them and they go home by nine point thirty.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Jeez, we wouldn't like, I can't even our kids are tiny.
And if they bring two mates now after scorn, oh gosh,
you're pushing the house limits it gets so noisy.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Here's a message from Kate Aguilera no relation to Christina
or maybe she is.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Oh my gosh, hi guys, this is Kate. I am
a big jini in a bottle.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I have two kids. One is two and a half
and the other is seven almost seven, which we use
at a lot and to be like, why are you
doing this? Why are you acting that way? You're nearly seven.
They are very different, just like Clint's kids. One is
very censter, very caring, very thoughtful, and a real sweetheart.
The other one is very much an entertainer and very
(35:53):
cheeky and very social. I feel like the person who
has it the hardest is the person who is sleep deprived,
and that would be us two and a half years
of broken sleep, both sleep trained, and the second one
just didn't take. She wakes up once a night, So
I feel like that will always be the person who
(36:17):
has it the hardest.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Once she revealed that bit that they've had broken sleep
for two and a half years, I was like, fuck,
she sounds tired. She sounds I started hearing Kate's voice
differently after that. Essentially, I think what Kate's message is
that every age is the hardest age if they're not sleeping.
But surely that's got to get better soon. Surely they've
(36:39):
got it. Surely they've got to snap out of it.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
See that's how argument when we put this out into
the stratosphere. Look, I'll look back in Matrix. It's been
a key topic since we put this clip out to
the Matrix and ask the people we were still getting
like retired parents. When I say retired, I mean your
kids have flown. Your kids have flown the cope, they've moved.
They weren't rushing in to be like, hey, guys, once
(37:02):
they hit twelve, it gets so good after that, like
you're then on the downhill. They just they kept their
mouth shut or they did that you just wait until
the teenager chat. But I look, I like, I like
this to be a lighthearted, fun podcast. But I think
the reality is, guys, we are on we're climbing Everest,
and we're not there until the day they actually leave
(37:22):
the house. But that's the day we don't want we
don't want that to happen. This is the moment we're
going to cry inside when that happens. But it seems
like from all these older parents that it's But.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
We got messages from people too who who said it
never ends. I've got two, I've got to year olds.
They never they never don't need you. It's nice to
be needed, and it's nice to feel wanted. But if
it never, if it never ends, you.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Know, like, fuck the fuck, I don't sign up for
this bit. Never never in.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I don't know what I'm going to do. Surely if
we put the league work and now, surely if we
do the hard, hard fucking yakka, now it will end.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
If you've got a three year old that's already evinly
bloody twisting her teacher and everyone around her arm with her,
and I just quiet, and I just quiet, quiet, momy,
I just quiet, like you're you're in for it, mate,
You're we're we're all in.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
We're all doomed. And that's that's us, guys, for the
this week. We're going to leave you that we are
all doomed.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
You if you're a thirty year old are still waking
you up in the middle of the night because they
had a bad dream, it's no chance, there's no chance.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
But just to remind you, please please send in those
dms definitely around the whole your thoughts on phone. We
never really had that the last time we talked about it.
So if you agree with me being passionately against them,
and maybe or if you're on the other side and
I need a bit of sense slept into me and
some other points and to be looking at it from
another angle, we want to hear that too.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's all. It's all in good. We're not we're not
making we're not we're not naming and shaming, Okay, but
I will if you're real mean to me.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I'll okay, already have over shame. Uh yeah, good amue
like subscribe. We appreciate it and we'll see you guys
next week. Bye.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It's all downhill, mate,
This is an iHeartRadio New Zealand podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Look, we've been here before, but it's cropped up in
Jordan's life again. So today we're revisiting the conversation of
kids and phones.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
She's passionate. She's eleven, and today this wasn't going to
be the topic. But she came home hot today. It's
like she'd been school speeches has just finished, and I
think that she still has a bit of that learning
in her right and that passion about school speeches. So
she had points and she could argue everything. I would say, like,
I'm like, boom, Sam mean line about not mean, like mean,
(00:46):
but a great line, So a great line to nip
it in the but like, you know, this is the
reason you're not getting the phone. She would have something
just and she said that age where they do that anyway,
but she'd has something to fire back.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
At me, but it actually made sense. I'm like, oh shit, quickly, pivot.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Pivot, And the other reason you don't need a phone,
right is because.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
This too okay? And she's like, oh shit, pivot, pivot again. Bad.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So today we need to reinvestigate, reevaluate our position on
young kids having focus. We're back Betty, and it's a
Tuesday night.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It's an evening record. I've got a drink.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
And I've been big on being aware of trying not
to drink during the weekdays. It's been my thing since
summer finished. I've been going okay, but then today the
excitement of we don't usually record in the evening and
it just just needed that little excuse just to be like, oh,
might just.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Go see what's in the fridge.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
There was no beers, So I've got a glass of
something something, something sav.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And you have what I've got a craft beer.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
And I won't call them out because they sent me
these for free. But I didn't look at it before
I grabbed out of the fridge. But it's a It's
a chili pillsner made with Kai tire fire.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
If you sipped it, heel was, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Just sipped it. It's spicy. It's spicy beer. It tastes
like a beer with like a jialipino, like a like
a red like a chili in it.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Exactly how I want my beer on a hot summer's day.
I don't want a bad mouth. You're free prber that
got sent to you. But the alcohol for tonight is
taking the edge off the fact that as I sat
down and opened my laptop screen and you send me
a little, a little zoom link every week and I
have to click on that just as I open the screen.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Up Hi from Plenty Council.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Here's your rates and voice for is the shittest way
to kick off the podcast.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Like I just wanted to say, if you rates are
the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You finally grow up, you become an adult, and you
get to a point where you might be out of
a position to buy a house. You scratch everything together,
you can you buy that house. You slowly drown and
freak out on the thoughts of making payments, and you're
trying to figure out what principal means and inter rates,
and then all of a sudden, something that you're not
(03:19):
saving for Hey man, there's.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Your two and a half thousand dollars rates bill. And
that's not for the whole year, that's just for a
part of the year. We're gonna ask you for this
again in six months time.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yep, yep. And it's not until you start paying rates
that you really become that boomer that you knew when
you were younger, where you start noticing every pothole in
the street, and you're like, what the what the bloody
hell am I rates paying for? There's a hole on
the street over there, there's bloody graffiti on the fence
down the road. What are my rates even paying for?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Rates in my area? Real boomer chat, we won't stay
here too long have doubled in the last six months.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, just I don't know. Again, I'm new to home ownership. Yeah.
I was like, isn't that illegal?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, like, we've gone from.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Paying two and a half thousand dollars a year to
now two and a half thousand dollars every six months.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It was something like that. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I know yours hasn't because you were smart enough to
fix your mortgage for long enough. But also mortgage rates
have doubled in the last two years as well, so
you're now playing paying if yours has rolled over, you're
paying double mortgage and double rates. Did you get a
double pay rise? No, I don't think So.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It's not only fans.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
We got to start our only fans channel together, man,
not together, although that could do quite well.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Hey, I like you also quite looking forward to my
beer with this podcast. This beer is so bad that
I can't drink it, and I feel like I'm missing out.
So you're gonna have to excuse me for a second
while I get a replacement beer, because I can't sit
here and watch you have a drink while I ye
want to drink this beer.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Drow mate, I'll keep them entertaining you go. I'll be
right back.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I gotta run downstairs to the beverage.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
How about though, this sounds like a piss stake, But
how about the weather?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Okay? Everyone in New Zealand is being like I know,
am I right?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
The South Island? We thought winter was done. The South
Island of New Zealand covered in snow again, randomly, out
of the blue, there's a storm coming over. No, we'll
definitely edit this out. Go, I'm real, so we'll just
cut now. Clint's back. Clint's back. It's really really weird
to try and do a podcast on your own.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
He's back.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Thank god, I'm back. What did I miss?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Real good stuff that you one hundred percent edit out?
It's really hard.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I'm gonna hear it when I edit it.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Anyway, It's really hard to podcast on your lone.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, before were kicking to the podcast. I
had a real dad brain fade moment this week, which
I thought i'd tell you about. I left for work
today at twelve o'clock and my wife came home at
one o'clock and she sent me a snapchat of the
fridge door wide open, and I'd gone to work and
just left the fridge completely open.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, that's a new one. You don't hear that often.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, I didn't feel like that's something I would do,
but I did. Unless there was a burglar who came
into a house and just ate one piece of salami,
I left the fridge open.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I'm having not on a scientifically, but enough so that
Jodie's noticing early on set like I'm an idiot and
fades bro like we went to this. We went away
on the weekend down to the snow. It was a failure.
The weather was terrible and the mountain shut and and
do you think I could find my keys? And then
that became a big thing, like Haha, we can't get
(06:26):
out of here now.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Because Jordan's lost the keys and.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The next minute I've lost my wallet, and then I
don't know where I've put my.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Taran behavior like that, I'm thirty six. Seriously, it worries me.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I'm thirty six and now I flash back to our
head knock chat.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's all from that big head knock I had. I
killed a lot of gray matter in this brain.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I get talking to me like that as well. She
was out on Sunday and I took the girls to
swimming lessons and she said to me in a way
that my mum speaks to my dad, and she goes,
and what time are the swimming lessons and who is
in the pool first? And what do you need to
pack for swimming. I was like, don't talk to me
(07:08):
like that. Swimmings at eleven twenty, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
At the same time orso poor Jody.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I do wind her up where it will be something
like tennis, and she's like, you've got to get the
girls because I'm a gymnastics You're going to get the tennis.
And I'll just be like looking at the dog, and
then she'd be like Jordan, and I'll be yeah, yeah,
I'll put the dinner on.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Just don't wind her up. Yeah yeah, I'll put the
chicken in.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Does how's the kids lead into the topic today? Should
I go first.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, you go first, mate.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
They're great, is always happy, healthy. Where we're two weeks
out from school holidays, one and a half weeks out
from school holidays, we're just crossing the fingers that they
don't get sick like they usually do the week before
the school holidays because we want to beat them to
be able to go away to the grandparents for at
least a few days. So that's what we're crossing our
fingers for. But Lucy helped out it. Maggie's kindy earlier
(07:59):
this week, and she goes in and does every parent's
expected to do, like a morning A quarter of parents
help in there. Yeah, it's quite a lot. Yeah, well
every family, I say every parent, every family. I haven't
done any of them. So Lucy goes in and spends
the morning there and Maggie it's a rarity. So Meggie's
(08:19):
like quite attached to her, Meggie my three and a
half year old. And then as Lucy went to leave,
Meggie whales absolutely puts on like the water works and
Lucy had to like shake her off and be like
going because they're usually fine directly after you leave them.
And then forty five minutes later she get to text
from the teacher saying, Hey, I'm sorry, but you're gonna
(08:40):
have to come and get Meggie. She's she's not herself.
I actually think we actually think that she might be unwell.
She's not eating her food. You need to come and
get her. So she did. She went and picked her
up like three hours early from kindy and then have
her listened to this message that I got from Lucy
while I was at work after she went and picked
her up.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Meggie, what did you just say to me about parent help?
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Were you loved me helping her parent help?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Then what happened?
Speaker 5 (09:07):
I love you. I loved you doing pealing helping and
in your list. And then I cry like a baby. Yeah,
and I Clyde and Clyde and Clyde, and then I
cry Clyde and Clyde and cly and Clyde.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
She's freaking putting it on. She's learned that if she
does these things, she's learned how to manipulate her own teachers.
Because we brought her home, she took her temperature and
we monitored her. Within five minutes of being home, she
was jumping on the couch like it was a trampoline.
She knows she's figured it out.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Hard to be angry though, when that little voice talks
like that, and then I quiet, and then and then
then and then I quiet, and I quiet and quite baby.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
So my kids are good, but potential one master manipulator
on the way. How's your kids?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
My kid's good today? In terms of topic, it's scattery
and all over the show. This isn't the main theme,
but it ties it nicely in terms of right now
is to wiki or today Marty, which is Maori language
week and I've mentioned that album. My second kid is
in Kappa Haker, which is Maori performance and song and
dance and performance, And it is just rubbing off so
(10:27):
much on Nala and the fact that Narla could almost
step in and be part of Kapa Hakka like at
home at school she's really shy about it. Yeah, but
at home she is doing all the actions. She's popping poocunners,
she's doing the big eyes at me, and she's got
everything downpacked. And so this evening I'm just laughing, like
I wish I could be filming.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
This, but they'd be like Dad, stop.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
But they're all rushing to do Kapa hak because they
know sport was coming. On and like dad, Dad, Dad,
let us do our all three of them up there
and it's just a real cool moment where we have
not mentioned Marty Language Week. We have not mentioned that, Hey,
this is a big week for you know, acknowlogy Mali
language and they're up there just ripping coupp a hacker
performances song after song, nailing them and I'm like me
(11:12):
and Jay like this is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Cool is pretty damn cool.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
We've talked about it before how our generation was kind
of the changeover where it was something we wanted to
have happen. And the cool thing is that for their generation,
it's not even a thing like it just no, it's
just part of you know, like they won't that the
goal is that in ten years they won't even needs
have it, but they won't need Maori Language Week, you know,
(11:36):
because it will just be so much more normalized.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
It's and it's part of me like whenever it is
Mali Language Week, I used to but I kind of
don't now part of me doesn't acknowledge it or make
a big deal because I'm like I tried you throughout
the year, just sprinkle like my big thing I've mentioned
before is just pronouncing place themes is the most entry
level thing that all New Zealanders should be doing and respecting.
And I make sure I do that too, like all
the time. And I'm like, so sometimes I think it's
(12:01):
a bit okay everyone.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Like if I was to just because and you, I
get it.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Other influence like us or creators, you feel a little
bit of pressure if other people start posting things like oh,
but for me, sometimes you can feel a bit token like, oh,
I quickly have to jump on this bandwagon. I'd rather
do what I do And yeah, I'll do videos or
I'll do a video about Marti language and pronouncing things
correctly outside of Marti language.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Like in a month, like, hey, we're still here. It's
still a problem.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
You can still throw punch your racist grandmother, you know,
just before she dies and be like, yo, it's bloody
topoor man, it ain't telpo, it's sucking queer as So
this week, Clint, we've been talking about a top picular
on the week and we're trying to forget what we're
going to chat about. And as he's messaging me today,
(12:48):
I then got a trouble for looking at your message
come through because I knew it was you. I am
in a heated not heated, but a serious battle discussion
with Miela because she's come home again my eleven year
old about wanting a phone, like it's been a long
time since we've kind of chat and she knows where
(13:09):
we're at.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
And now, though.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Research for us, for people who are just joining the podcast,
now reset your stance on phones and kids.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Don't take offense parents out there who have bought their kids' phones.
My belief is kids at that are ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,
they don't need phones. The one percent of goodness of
why you want that kid to have a phone so
you can contact them when they're at their rugby or
nipple training or basketball training, and then other ninety nine
percent is terrible shit that they don't need. So my
(13:39):
argument is, if you do need a phone for a kid, right,
we say, get the dumb phones or the dumb down
phones that don't have all the social media apps. But
and so that's my stance. I'm strongly for that stance.
And it really baffles me how my eleven year old
has friends in her group who have phones and I
know that they're not over the other side of totong
(14:00):
after school.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It's some training. I know that they live very similar
lives to my kid. We we're all in this.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Bubble, like they don't be need in the phones. They
can pop into an office or a reception or grab
the landline and cook. So I think a lot of
parents just are so blase to the dangers of phones.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And I get it.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
There'll be parents rolling like and they're the parents that
just haven't stopped to think. Anything that pops into your
kid's imagination at night time is at their fingertips in
their bedroom on their dressing table to type in, and
they can be seeing the weirdest, stupidest chatting to some
fifth year old dude who's saying that he's a twelve
year old kid. All that bad stuff pops into my
mind and I know why why, even it's like giving
(14:39):
them a loaded gun. That's my rant over, that's my
position on phones. And my kid very much knows my
stance on phones. So she comes home today and hates it,
and she's really and she's getting a bit welled up
about it, and she's got way more fighting points this time.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Like everything I.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Say, did you have a lot of friends with phones?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Now, so I've told you how they've been doing puberty
chat at school.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah, shout out, shout out to the teacher, mister cart
who's been listening.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
And today it was a pupil, was a teacher. No, sorry,
miss te Kane.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Oh okay, sorry mister yeah, yeah sorry.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Again today I'm Ali week and I'm I'm pronouncing. I'm
saying things too quick. I need to slow down, miss,
But you can see how. And she said, oh, we
had more puberty chat today, but it wasn't this is
before she's asked about the phone.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
She's in the car, but it was about like.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Social media puberty like and I just straight away like, yeah,
like never ever send a new photo of yourself to someone,
A like this is the first thing that ever kept
Like I just I was just putting that out there,
even who mates here in the in the car, don't
be doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
A that's that's not a thing.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
And she's like, no, the embarrassing thing was miss is like, oh,
I presume all of you have a phone because they're
year seven and year eight, so they're eleven and twelve.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I don't know if Mila's making this spit up, but
the teacher's you know, I guessing all of you have phones,
so anyway on and Mila's like, no, I don't, and
she says that people laughed. I won I feel like
she's told a white lie there. But she said the
fact she was saying is that she kept turning off
because every time MS would mention, so when you are
on your phones means I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Have a phone. So she said she wasn't, she was
checking out.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
But she comes home and she's got this big list
of everyone. She swears that everyone has a phone. Everybody
has it, and I'm going, what do you want? So
I've mentioned how the safe one that all the kids
her age have is Messenger Kids, which is Facebook Messenger
for kids that all the kids that are on there
have to be approved by parents, right, So she's got
(16:44):
the small little friend group. They chat, they're all aware
that we can see the chat if we wanted to.
And so she's like, Dad, I want to find blah
blah blah. And I was like, yeah, but look, I
don't want you jump on the internet and I don't
want you getting apps, and she said I won't.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I just need Messenger Kids.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It's like, yeah, you've got that on the iPad, the
family iPad, You've got no, no, no, But I want
a phone so I can have my own message kids.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
So I was like, what, so you can have it
in your bedroom and be on message your kids or
no no no, And so I said, so I can
come in at a certain point, take that off you
and put it away for the night.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So I'm like, so basically the iPad, So like, merely,
you don't need a phone. You have this all on
the iPad. You only go on Messenger kids a little
bit in the morning and a little bit in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
And that's it.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
So you don't And she's like, but Dad, I do,
I do, dare And she's just giving me all these
She's given me all these points, and her little eyes
are welling up and we're trying. Jody's behind me kind
of like, shit, I don't know what to say, Like
she's bringing up some points here, and she's like, but
when it doesn't help when I'd say joky lines like
when you're eighteen, when you're eighty, but I go seriously,
(17:48):
and me and Jodi were saying, look, there'll be a
moment where mom and dad where we will be like,
this is the time you need one. Now you have
nipple training that's an hour away on the other side
of town twice a week, and you've got this after
school where you're not getting dropped off till five pm.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You one hundred percent need a phone. Now.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Our lives are too that we can't be picking you
up and you need to be catching a bus or something.
Now's the time that you need a phone because you
need to be able to contact us at a moment's notice,
or we need to be able to get in contact
with you. And that isn't right now, Mela. Okay, your
bubble is tiny right now, and we are taking you
to and from places you don't need a phone. And
I was trying to explain the idea of how bad
(18:27):
they are. I was like, Meela, there's a little bit
of you want to message your kids, just opens up
the can of worms of all this other stuff. But
she was so angry that she just would shut off
her brain to that.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
No, and it'll be an emotional thing for her now too,
because it's personal and you're not giving her this thing
that she feels, she'll feel inside her that she desperately
needs it for even if she does, even just for acceptance.
She needs it so that she fits in.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And that's the hard part. I feel for it is
the hardest.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
But depriving kids of that stuff doesn't hurt them long term,
like it it is still character building. It'll feel like
the end of the world at the time. I remember
the school that I went to, a lot of the
kids were from wealthy families and we weren't a wealthy family,
and I felt that not having the cool skate shoes
or the top of the line rollerblades that was social suicide.
That was the end of everything. But ultimately, look at
(19:19):
me now, I'm a cool guy. I'm fine. So it
won't be the end of the world. But you're right,
I get, but I get the tears. Like if she
feels passionately about it, I still feel like that sometimes
when you're talking about something too passionately and.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Like I just listen, just what I believe, Okay, So,
and I can take myself back to her age, like
I'm one of those elephants. I have very like strong,
vivid memories. I can take myself back to eleven, twelve, thirteen,
at school, fourteen, all of it.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I can go s what it was for me.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
It was my parents allowing me to have a beer.
That's what I felt really passionately about, because all the
kids in my class were like, yeah, our parents let
us have a bear on the weekend. And I used
to say to my parents, why won't you let me
have a beer? And I remember like crying about it,
which inflection I'm like, that guy's definitely not ready for
(20:09):
a beer.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
All my friends when I was fifteen, I was young,
so they had all turned sixteen I was fifteen. All
of them got to go away together to New Year's
and fung A.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Matar or.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Sorry to be sorry Muldi language week where everyone refers
it to as wanga. Everyone went to Wanga and it
was the big craze to go to Wanga, and Dad,
who was the cruisiest guy at the time, just said, nah,
now boy, you're not going. So I had I was
up to at that age. I was allowed to have
a beer, but I had eight warm dbie bidders at
the beach with my stepbrother and stepsister on the beach
(20:45):
at Portwakator and it was so lame.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And I'll always remember.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That, Yeah, give it, that's a really sorry, we're getting
really off track. But giving your teenager warm beers is
a really good way to slow them down because they
get fizzier in their stomach. They can't get as many beers.
And so you say, ye, do that, Yeah, they don't.
They don't science, they don't sit as well, and you
can't drink as many when they're warm. So you go, yep,
you can have a six pack and you give them
(21:10):
a six pack of ex Book gold, which is like
four and a half percent, and they'll just they'll be
burping their guts out.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I wonder if you need to give her a hard
and fast number, because what you're talking about with the phone,
it's nowhere. It's this hypothetical maybe land of getting a phone.
But if you said to her fourteen and then there's
like a thing that all the kids can go cool,
that's how milestone. That's when we can get a phone
as well.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
But technology, you are moving so fast that yeah, this
is me kind of comically as fasting forward in future.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Technology is moving so fast.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
By the age time they're fourteen right now, there'll be
some kind of helmet that has it live streaming on
their own face. Twenty four to seven and I'll be like, no,
you don't need that, but I hear you, and I
wanted to go back to I get and maybe that's
the pear pressure that other parents who might not have
as such a hard line as I do, end up
saying yes because maybe they relate or they get a
(22:08):
bit more mush mushy and connected to that idea. If
you are missing out, you're the you're the kind of
ugly duckling of the group where everyone's got one and
you don't. And I'm aware that that's her right now,
but to me, that's not a big enough reason to
give her something that is going to change, is going
to change who she is so much. And I said, oh,
(22:28):
I said to her, I go answer me this. Do
you think me getting your phone means that you're going
to hang out with us as the family and keep
playing outside with us and stuff as much.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
As you do right now?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Or do you think a phone's going to mean that
you play inside on your own way more? And she
just smirked because she knew the answer, and she's like, yeah,
you've got me there, Like there's some points I'll say
where she does click and she's like, no, no, no,
because Dad, then I can ask Siri or Alexa how
many outside games we could play.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
She's quick, She's quick.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Do you think that some parents use it as an opportunity,
like for a trust exercise. They don't want to give it,
but the kid really wants to get a They've had
a back and forth and they go, Okay, we're going
to take this opportunity to trust you with a phone.
But if this first hint of you doing anything that
we've said that we don't want you doing on it,
(23:20):
getting apps, going on websites, that sort of thing, then
the phone is gone.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Here's the blunt, honest truth that'll be clipped into a
social media piece. Yeah, my blunt honest truth about parents
in regards to giving their kid a phone and when
to do it as I think a large percent of
them don't even think about it. You and I we're
quite aware, and we sit and we process and we
think about how we're being parents. I think that's the
(23:45):
biggest step of being parents. That stop and question your
own parenting is the best sign that you're trying to
give it your best crack, right. I think there's a
very large percent of parents that are just like, oh,
you want to, don't stop to think a heartbeat. They're like,
oh you're ten, sweet, you're eleven. Yeah, I'll get you one.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Boom, there you go, no thought.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I know parents like this. I know and circles parents
like this, And I think it's just here you go. There,
you goo out of my hair. And I don't know
if it's busyness of lifestyle, but that to me.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
They're going to go eventually. I might as well just
give it to them.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, And that to me blows my little mind. That
baffles me. I'm like, oh, there's there's so young, there's
a wild world. There's no come back you.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
You've lost your kid, man, You've lost your kid to
the dark. Their whole life is going to be attached
to a screen.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
We know this. As adults, we know this.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
The whole life is going to be with a computer, tablet,
a phone. Hold off as long as you can on that.
Don't it sounds real. I'm not a crazy conspiracy matrix thing,
but don't lock them into the matrix at flipping ten
or eleven them you want them to be You want
them to run off and breathe the ear like.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
We don't want to be on these phones. We wish,
we wish we would take our phones off us.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
We like to think we'll go we're not we all
are we all are?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
We are all addicted. There's a very small percent of
the will that can actually say I'm not addicted, and
they're actually telling the truth, and they're not all of
us are. We know that we catch ourselves death scrolling,
doom scrolling. We know that we find ourselves watching things
we shouldn't be And you want your kids sprain just
to turn to mush Oh, I worry, I stress out.
I worry too much. It worries me about who these
(25:25):
parents are.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Like.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Bro, take us to pump the brakes. Don't be given
your eleven twelve year olds a phone. But I feel
like I've transported myself back to eight months ago when
we first brought up this topic, and I've got even but.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Our positions haven't changed. Did you see it was in
the news this week? Though it was the news, it
was in the news. So the beginning of this year
was the beginning of the cell phone ban in schools,
which is one of the things that the new government
brought in. And I think it's who'd they get it from?
Have done who'd they get it from?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Who?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Okay, the first time we talked about phones, what video?
And I just posted ban phones and schools.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh oh damn, are you influencing government policy over.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
There the whole Like I thought that was where you
were going.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
You may have forgotten, but I had just posted a
big how to dad rant out, Yeah, hey, here's an idea.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Teachers.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You have the power of being teachers, right, yeah, band
phones and skills cannot The kids can hand them in
when they get there, if they need them, they can
hand them in when they get there, or they stay
in their bag the whole time, and you police it
and problem solved. You got kids actually hanging out at
lunch times and all this. We did a big episode
off the back of it. And then this govern new
government comes in and they're like, we've got a great
(26:29):
idea that we didn't instell from a legendary politician.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
How to dad, and now, yeah, you're right, you carry
the idea.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
It was.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It turns out at what every school now by law
has to ban phones in schools. This week, I think
it was Mount Roskill Grammar came out and said that
the phone ban has been the best thing that they
have had for their school in a long long time.
They said that kids are out in the playground again
at lunch time. They said, the playground is noisy at
(26:59):
lunchtime again. And they said one of the best things
they've seen from the cell phone band is that a
kid kicked a rugby ball through a though. And they
were so happy because kids were playing with rugby balls
again at lunchtime. And it seems now that it's done,
it seems like the most obvious thing of all time
that these kids are zombies at lunchtime down here like this,
(27:20):
communicating with each other on tiny little screens. But I
guess if it comes on incrementally because phones have got
incrementally better and better and more and more connected, and
data has got cheaper and cheaper, maybe you didn't quite
see the slow creep of it coming into your school
yard over the last ten years. But then to rip
it out and then to see the stark contrast, you know,
(27:40):
it's like these kids have had their childhood given back
to them for at least six hours a day.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I was so happy to I was annoyed that the
government's claimed that this was the amazing idea and might
know this is this is common sense.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I get annoyed.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's common sense.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I get annoyed of how schools themselves.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yes, there'll be some out there, and hats off to
you hadn't introduced this five years earlier.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Like, I just don't understand.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Ye, if you are the principal of a school, you
walk around at lunch time, you see, Hang on a second,
why are no of these kids doing stuff?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Why are they all over they've.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Got another private channel to bully other kids? Why the secrets?
We weren't allowed to pass notes in school? Why would
kids be allowed to send messenger messages at school?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I know I'll forever be baffled by the fact that
nothing was done earlier and now that it's being done
and the government might get praised.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And I think that news is the best news ever.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
The fact that they're saying, look, we actually have to
put up signs now to remind the kids, hey, you
can't kick balls in this courtyard area, like, and they've
had to make more four square squares to accommodate kids playing,
which is the classic bounce the ball on the ground
to each other, Like they've had to make new This
is the best news ever.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Sorry, what our.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Kids are unplugging that they're pulling out the car now
reeves matrix and they're being kid classic Kiwi kids.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
And.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I like it during COVID when everything shut down
and there were those videos online of dolphins swimming up
the canals of Venice again and we're like, wow, nature
is healing. Kids out there playing with rugby balls now
that we've taken their phones away is the same thing
to me. It's the same energy.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Dolphins were just totally last day, just a real real
whack pot of dolphins.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
What are you up to?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Bro Venus is full of a lot of shit around
in USA.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I think we've got our point of crops and I
think that's a really good update. And I know you
don't need encouragement, but hold the line because I need
you to hold out on this phone as long as possible,
because I plan I know it's a long way away
from me, but I plan on running the same line
with my girls. Bank getting no phone, may get no phone.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
What I would love, I really would love.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And I know you might be Look, we're not going
to be naming and shaming, but I would love to
hear from a parent one that backs me up as
passionately as I preach it.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I'd love to hear for any any other parent.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It's out there with kids around this eleven twelve age
and they're trying to hold off. But I'd also like
to hear an argument from a parent who's just gone, Yeah,
my kid, I got my ked a phone and a
living and.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
What you're gonna do about it? My kid's fine. The
world hasn't ended. You chill out.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
How to dad, how to how to how to be
uncool dad? That's what you sound like, your big patchy
beard mould vocle.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, debate us, debate us. We've got two guys who
just agree with each other and I just pat each
other on the back.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Like every podcast out there in the world. Yeah, you
and me, Bro, we're the funniest guys in the room
right now.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Just confirmation bias. You're like, you are so right.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I am right.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
We should make a video out of us. But let's
make a whole podcast out of it.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Your mustache fantatic, your beer choice terrible. I gotta say that.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I had other stuff to jump into, but I'm gonna
save it because we've we've we've feeled some passionate.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm a little sweaty.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
My wine has flushed my cheeks a bit with rage,
cell phone rage, but also the jaw is real.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I just think, and I think that wherever you are
in the.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
World right now, and if you're a parent of that age,
or you're part of like school boards and that and
your school isn't doing this, I like to think that
we're going to have some internationals contacting us being like, hey,
this is a Mary from Minnesota. I just want to
say that I've taken it to our school board and
they're gonna band films.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
You guys are amazing. Thank you Dad.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
We want to you to come both of you be
president of our fine country and the next election.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
We're going to take a break because we do have
some feedback on what is the hardest age?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Oh yeah, this was good too.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Okay, last week we asked you guys, what is the
hardest age to parent? Because Jordan believes that he's in
it right now with his kids who.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Are six nine and eleven six ' nine eleven and look,
I posted a cold, straight to the point but of
content saying exactly that I'm in the hardest point and
for us, it popped off, a lot of people debating,
people jumping in, a lot of people doing.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
The tut tut tut, like just you wait, shoe you wait.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
The whole thing was off the just you wait because
it doesn't seem to get any easier. So anyway, here's
a message from Brad who said, hey, boys, I listened
to this week's podcast. Glad I could get those settings
changed and hopefully you see this message. Oh yeah, our
dms are open now. Everybody can dm us. That's just
a reminder if you've struggled dming us before, it should
(32:34):
all work now. I've got a seven year old girl
and identical twin boys that are five. I think any stage,
no matter the age, with twins is the hardest. They
fight like cats and dogs, so this it was very relatable.
The boys are either best friends or hate each other,
there's no real in between. And then you've got the
(32:56):
big sister just trying to be the boss the whole time.
So yeah, okay, we didn't consider that. Twins. It's a multiplier.
It's a multiplier.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
But with most twins though, the easy solution is you too,
and one towards the dark gaming corner of the house
and you set up a gaming room and the other
one you get out there and give them a ball, okay,
and then they stay out of each other's They stay
out of each other's way. One of them is hard
out on call of duty, is playing fall Out four
or whatever the games are, and the other ones out
(33:25):
there trying to make the American which.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Everyone starts to develop muscle mass first. That's why you
stare straight.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Into and then you just steer them against each other.
One's a drop, one's a nerd, and then they don't fight.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Suck if you've got the mustly one into gaming by mistake.
Here's a message from Lisa.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Hey Clinton, Jordan is Lisa from Pepperma Here. Yeah, I've
got a seventeen year old and a twelve year old,
and yeah, the five years difference is actually quite hard.
I got one teenager that is highly, highly social. She's
got a mess a big group of friends that like
to come around most weekends. And when I'm talking massive roof,
(34:04):
I'm talking twelve to sixteen people in my house every
single weekend till late on a said tonight. And I've
got a twelve year old that also wants to do
everything the big kid's doing, and why can't I go
down to the plaza with them and hang out? And
why can't I do this at this time of night
and all that sort of stuff. So that is quite
a hard stage. It's an interesting conversation to see what
(34:25):
other people do. My third seventeen year old, she's a
real good kid. I don't have to worry about her
at all.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I'm sorry you have twelve to sixteen seventeen year olds
in your house every Saturday night.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Did she just follow up with the seventeen year olds?
The real good kid?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, the real good kid that somehow has manipulated you
over years. You and dad right, and convince you that
that's a real normal thing. Mum, Why can't I have
my twelve best friends over?
Speaker 1 (34:53):
That's not normal?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Can't have an entire soccer team here every weekend?
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Nip that in the butt? In the butt, what's the
same but in the butt? Well, just trim that. Change
the house rules. You get to bring two mates over.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
On them and they go home by nine point thirty.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Jeez, we wouldn't like, I can't even our kids are tiny.
And if they bring two mates now after scorn, oh gosh,
you're pushing the house limits it gets so noisy.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Here's a message from Kate Aguilera no relation to Christina
or maybe she is.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Oh my gosh, hi guys, this is Kate. I am
a big jini in a bottle.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I have two kids. One is two and a half
and the other is seven almost seven, which we use
at a lot and to be like, why are you
doing this? Why are you acting that way? You're nearly seven.
They are very different, just like Clint's kids. One is
very censter, very caring, very thoughtful, and a real sweetheart.
The other one is very much an entertainer and very
(35:53):
cheeky and very social. I feel like the person who
has it the hardest is the person who is sleep deprived,
and that would be us two and a half years
of broken sleep, both sleep trained, and the second one
just didn't take. She wakes up once a night, So
I feel like that will always be the person who
(36:17):
has it the hardest.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Once she revealed that bit that they've had broken sleep
for two and a half years, I was like, fuck,
she sounds tired. She sounds I started hearing Kate's voice
differently after that. Essentially, I think what Kate's message is
that every age is the hardest age if they're not sleeping.
But surely that's got to get better soon. Surely they've
(36:39):
got it. Surely they've got to snap out of it.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
See that's how argument when we put this out into
the stratosphere. Look, I'll look back in Matrix. It's been
a key topic since we put this clip out to
the Matrix and ask the people we were still getting
like retired parents. When I say retired, I mean your
kids have flown. Your kids have flown the cope, they've moved.
They weren't rushing in to be like, hey, guys, once
(37:02):
they hit twelve, it gets so good after that, like
you're then on the downhill. They just they kept their
mouth shut or they did that you just wait until
the teenager chat. But I look, I like, I like
this to be a lighthearted, fun podcast. But I think
the reality is, guys, we are on we're climbing Everest,
and we're not there until the day they actually leave
(37:22):
the house. But that's the day we don't want we
don't want that to happen. This is the moment we're
going to cry inside when that happens. But it seems
like from all these older parents that it's But.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
We got messages from people too who who said it
never ends. I've got two, I've got to year olds.
They never they never don't need you. It's nice to
be needed, and it's nice to feel wanted. But if
it never, if it never ends, you.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Know, like, fuck the fuck, I don't sign up for
this bit. Never never in.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I don't know what I'm going to do. Surely if
we put the league work and now, surely if we
do the hard, hard fucking yakka, now it will end.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
If you've got a three year old that's already evinly
bloody twisting her teacher and everyone around her arm with her,
and I just quiet, and I just quiet, quiet, momy,
I just quiet, like you're you're in for it, mate,
You're we're we're all in.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
We're all doomed. And that's that's us, guys, for the
this week. We're going to leave you that we are
all doomed.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
You if you're a thirty year old are still waking
you up in the middle of the night because they
had a bad dream, it's no chance, there's no chance.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
But just to remind you, please please send in those
dms definitely around the whole your thoughts on phone. We
never really had that the last time we talked about it.
So if you agree with me being passionately against them,
and maybe or if you're on the other side and
I need a bit of sense slept into me and
some other points and to be looking at it from
another angle, we want to hear that too.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's all. It's all in good. We're not we're not
making we're not we're not naming and shaming, Okay, but
I will if you're real mean to me.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I'll okay, already have over shame. Uh yeah, good amue
like subscribe. We appreciate it and we'll see you guys
next week. Bye.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It's all downhill, mate,
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