October 29, 2024 • 13 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Wednesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Minds Are All Made Up/Looking Down the UK's Hole/Immigration Neither Fast-Tracked or Kick-Ass/Getting Mail Is Still Exciting/Not That Kind of Zombie Apocalypse
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from Newstalk SEDB. Follow this
and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio Rewrap There.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday. All the best, but
it's from the Mike Husking Breakfast on Newstalg s EDB.
In a sillier package, I am Glen Hart. Today we're
going to look right down UK's hole. That's budget hole,
which is billions of pounds worth apparently, so that's not
good immigration. We've definitely got that all sort of out
(00:47):
right and it's all working as it should be. We'll
just have a quick check on that, make sure that
it is New Zealand posts. They're making more cats and
this has got some people upset. And it turns out
the zombie apocalypse is real, especially in Australia, and it's
happening as we speak. But before any of that, the
US election tracingly surreal.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Kind of odd. I thought that it took Jeff Bezos
to explain what I would have thought was the bleeding obvious.
So there is as if you were listening to Richard
Arnold earlier, a to do in the US election among
the elites over a couple of newspapers not endorsing a candidate. Now,
this is a very American thing. We don't do it here.
Thank god, we're very wise not to. It started with
the Los Angeles Times, who decided no endorsement would be made.
(01:31):
This led to one of the editorial board quitting and
a lot of whining. Then came the Washington Post. This
is the paper Bezos owns. The editor said it was
their call not to endorse. This was disputed. Several board
members walked in, allegedly a couple one hundred thousand subscribers
as of yesterday, quit the paper, and to Bezos, who
wrote a couple of self explanatory things. Firstly, he wished
that no endorsement move had come earlier, not in the
(01:52):
heat of the battle. He then pointed out, quite correctly,
not a single undecided voter ever anywhere had their mind
made up by a newspaper. And then, most importantly of all,
he suggested, once again quite correctly, the media is not
trusted by the American public. In wandering around pretending to
be neutra while endorsing people is not going to help
their reputation. Not surprisingly, both papers were going to endorse Harris,
(02:15):
of course, and whether from a point of view of
true balance or not. A media already seemed to be
hopelessly left leaning and in the Democrat's pocket was not
going to tilt the balance their way by further enhancing
the reputation as anti Trump. The endorsement business comes, of
course from a different age, an age when paper is
actually matted. Some still do, but not many, and as
the media is diluted, it matters less and less. The
(02:37):
problem with the problem, of course, is those in the
middle of it still clearly suffer from another age old
problem of the media. Too many take themselves too seriously.
I bet many of them actually believe that people don't
make up their mind until they're told to. Many of
them will think an endorsement swings the race or moves
the needle. Many of them will think that Abezos as
(02:59):
owner really doesn't get to make the calls when guess
what he does. The upside might just be that a
tired old habit ie endorsement by newspaper might just have
died in the race of twenty four.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Is it not slightly odd that bees Ask claims that
his newspaper won't change anybody's mind. What's the point of
them having an opinion about anything because they do. I
don't know America, so rewrap. I think things are way
(03:37):
better than the UK right, everything's going swimmingly. They have
a change government. Everybody voted for it. It was huge,
It was huge.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Kyostama's budget tonight. Of course, he's got a lot on
his plates, just back from Chogham, where too many people
for his liking were insisting on talking about slavery and
how Britain those literally trillions of dollars. Britain doesn't have
trillions of dollars, of course, and opening that particular can
of worms as a road to fiscal ruin. If you
think the White tanging process has been tortuous for this country,
you ain't seen nothing yet on slavery. Even the King
(04:05):
cognizant of what it might mean if they go down
this Ever, ending Tracks said, no one is capable of
changing the past anyway. Not just that for Starma, but
also his lack of popularity. It's been a long time
since the Prime Minister has won an election so spectacularly
and squandered the honeymoon so quickly. Part of his problem
is the issue most Labour governments in Western democracies seem
(04:26):
to have the line they walk between what is perceived
as a labor party and the modern world. We've seen
it here, we're seeing it in Australia currently. Elbow is
also famously unpopular. And in Britain, where the budget will
involve tax increases, labor parties love taxes, except Starma promised
he wouldn't increase taxes for working people. And then that
lies the problem. What is a working person? He can't
(04:50):
and hasn't been able to define it historically. Of course,
it's a unionized grafter, a minor, a trucky, someone who
works in the steel mills, but those days are largely gone.
What it really is, but they can't say, is a
rich prick. Cullen famously said it here, of course by
a mistake, but that's who they're after. But the problem
with modern economies is working people can become rich pricks.
(05:11):
Not every working person. In fact, increasingly few are destined
to a life of low wages. Modern democracies allow many
to start at the bottom and work their way to
the top. New Zealand, like Britain, like Australia, is full
of people with businesses and homes and batches and god
for bid European cars who've actually done quite well for themselves.
You would like to think that sort of thing is encouraged,
but that's the modern problem with labor parties. They're stuck
(05:33):
in the past and self made success isn't celebrated, it's taxed.
And we will see how tortuous that path they tread
is tonight in the UK.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
The tough sale, isn't it. We're streeting their house secretary.
We had him one, we weren't interviewing. We've played audio
of him earlier on this morning saying that, ah, you know,
there'll still be people waiting on trolleys, hospital trolleys and
the corridors to be seen, but at least we're going
(06:05):
to be doing something about it time, which wasn't really
that encouraging. I guess if you're planning on going to the
hospital anytime soon, or if you're not planning on going
in the UK, we wrap So why wouldn't you want
to come and move to New Zealand And Yes, okay,
we have hospitble beds in the corridors as well, but
(06:26):
it's a New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Back to the immigration, When are we going to get
the sorted out. So I'm reading a fascinating piece yesterday
where the person who runs immigration in this country admits
that what they're doing is pretty much useless. Eleven weeks
for employer accreditation, twelve weeks for a job check, four
months for a work visa. I'm not proud of that
in any way. I admit it's not good enough. And
(06:49):
I can assure you that the team we're working with
alongside the minister is doing everything we can. This is
Alison McDonald who's the Immigration New Zealand head. But they're
talking to all sorts of people who just literally they
claim their businesses are going to fall over. What worries me.
There was one example of a person who wanted to
say manager for a bar. Now, I'm all for immigration,
(07:13):
I love immigration. I think immigration is fantastic for all
sorts of reasons. But is it true to say that
you can only bring a sales manager in from offshore?
The claim being they couldn't find a sales manager and
if they couldn't get a sales manager because of all
the delays, their business was going to go under. Is
that really true? So all you need is a sales
manager you're not after a magician, it's just a sales manager.
(07:34):
And you're telling me, in all of New Zealand there's
not a single person you can hire locally available. You've
got to bring someone in from ovacies. But in that,
I suppose is the complication of immigration settings. Anyway, they
talk to a guy called Tobias who's an advisor and
he says, not just hospital, it's all over the place.
Bigger companies at the moment tend to be saying we
don't see the point in renewing accreditation because you've got
(07:56):
to have a be accredited as an employer, or we
don't believe it's worth engaging in the process. Skilled people,
they're not bothering with New Zealand anymore. This is once
again like the tourism, like all the other issues gotten
foreign investment. You know, we're just not seen as a
cool place. They don't like us. The world just doesn't
like the cut of our GiB. At the moment, skilled people,
(08:17):
they're not bothering with New Zealand anymore. There's better options elsewhere.
The application fees have massively increased. The systems really are
cain and challenging for employers and migrants, and there's been
so much change that a lot of people are just going,
I'm just going to go elsewhere. So New Zealand Inc.
Doesn't have a particularly good reputation. What worries me about
(08:39):
this is that probably the most competent minister the current
government has, in the form of Erica Stanford's in chargeable
of this. And they've been in power now for a
year and I'm still reading reports about what a basket
case it is, and the head of the basket case
admits it's a basket case. So things need to change
in quickly.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I just want to wish that every time we interviewed
somebody about one of these issues, Mike would say to
them straight straight out of the gate, Hey, so would
you describe this situation as gas or fast tracked? Which
which best sums it up? And then see how long
the pause A and a and a turmoil is after that?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Still rewrap right.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So more cuts on the way for insia posts by
the sounds of things, and this has really got the
rural community up in arms because they're going from five
days to three. Is that what's happening is.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
The postling a big deal? I got the vibe yesterday,
tell me if I'm hopelessly out of touch. They announce
MB who run New Zealand Post, that we're going to
have to do something because none of us seen mail
anymore and it's gone down to next to nothing, and
they think it will be one hundred million pieces by
twenty twenty eight. It was eight hundred and thirteen. So
it's plummeting over the last twenty years. And we all
know this. But once upon a time when they used
(09:55):
to say, oh, we're going to cut up from seven
days a week to six days a week to five
days a week, et cetera, everyone will go, oh my god,
the end of the world. Whereas now I noted yesterday
with the announcement which they're thinking, you bring it down
to three and two days a week, depending on where
the country you are. Does anyone care anymore because there's
so little male and therefore it doesn't affect us. Is
it just like that's life? Or have I completely misread
(10:17):
that this is like.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Those when people complain that they're rubbish? Isn't being collected
as often as it used to be or at all?
Or and you know, and I find out that there
are still places around not just around New Zealand, but
even around Auckland where they get free rubbish collection council
provided rubbish collection. Meanwhile, I'm paying hundreds of dollars a
(10:38):
year to an independent contractor for mine. It's like that
with the mail service. Did you realize that the rural
mail was still getting there every day of the week,
five days a week. No, the re wrap we're going
to finish up with the grass is not greener reasons
not to move to Australia. It's all to do with zombies.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
This is my ongoing thing that you know, for all
the green grass allegedly that's in Australia and attracting the
tens of thousands of New Zealanders to that part of
the world. Not only is that retail sector die yesterday,
I'm reading about the construction sector boom and bust, zombies,
zombie apocalypse Australian and they've got a house in crisis.
Housing is much more and we talked about this briefly
on the program the other day. With people leaving in
(11:21):
terms of jobs and trades and stuff like that, buying
a house in Australia is for many people, and especially
in the main centre, is prohibitively expensive if you want
to min about it here. It's even worse in Australia
and their housing crisis at the moment. The problem is
no one can afford to build the only building going on.
There's plenty of cranes about the place, but they're all
commercial and there are lots of companies that are in
(11:44):
zombie state. Is from KPMG Australia yesterday. The number of
ASX listed zombies has spiked from thirty one percent in
just six months to ninety four from a ninety four
to one hundred and twenty two companies. A zombie company
is a company that still trades, so in other words,
it hasn't gone bust. It's just they're not doing anything,
and they're not doing anything because they can't afford to
do anything, whether or not can't afford to pay the
(12:06):
workers or no one's building house is because they can't
afford to pay it on a per square meter basis.
So for all of the roads tentered glass viewing that's
going on, there's a lot going on wrong in Australia currently.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So the end of life as we know it, certainly
in Australia as being brought about by zombies, just even
more slow moving and more insidious and slightly less groaning
and hungry zombies. Look, I really wanted to make that work,
(12:39):
the whole zombie apocalypse thing, because I had such a
good headline for it. I'm going to use it anyway.
I am Glenn Hart. That's how I roll. I'll see
you back here with more, maybe more zombies tomorrow. It
will be Halloween after all. We see then.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
For more from News Talk said B listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from Newstalk SEDB. Follow this
and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio Rewrap There.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday. All the best, but
it's from the Mike Husking Breakfast on Newstalg s EDB.
In a sillier package, I am Glen Hart. Today we're
going to look right down UK's hole. That's budget hole,
which is billions of pounds worth apparently, so that's not
good immigration. We've definitely got that all sort of out
(00:47):
right and it's all working as it should be. We'll
just have a quick check on that, make sure that
it is New Zealand posts. They're making more cats and
this has got some people upset. And it turns out
the zombie apocalypse is real, especially in Australia, and it's
happening as we speak. But before any of that, the
US election tracingly surreal.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Kind of odd. I thought that it took Jeff Bezos
to explain what I would have thought was the bleeding obvious.
So there is as if you were listening to Richard
Arnold earlier, a to do in the US election among
the elites over a couple of newspapers not endorsing a candidate. Now,
this is a very American thing. We don't do it here.
Thank god, we're very wise not to. It started with
the Los Angeles Times, who decided no endorsement would be made.
(01:31):
This led to one of the editorial board quitting and
a lot of whining. Then came the Washington Post. This
is the paper Bezos owns. The editor said it was
their call not to endorse. This was disputed. Several board
members walked in, allegedly a couple one hundred thousand subscribers
as of yesterday, quit the paper, and to Bezos, who
wrote a couple of self explanatory things. Firstly, he wished
that no endorsement move had come earlier, not in the
(01:52):
heat of the battle. He then pointed out, quite correctly,
not a single undecided voter ever anywhere had their mind
made up by a newspaper. And then, most importantly of all,
he suggested, once again quite correctly, the media is not
trusted by the American public. In wandering around pretending to
be neutra while endorsing people is not going to help
their reputation. Not surprisingly, both papers were going to endorse Harris,
(02:15):
of course, and whether from a point of view of
true balance or not. A media already seemed to be
hopelessly left leaning and in the Democrat's pocket was not
going to tilt the balance their way by further enhancing
the reputation as anti Trump. The endorsement business comes, of
course from a different age, an age when paper is
actually matted. Some still do, but not many, and as
the media is diluted, it matters less and less. The
(02:37):
problem with the problem, of course, is those in the
middle of it still clearly suffer from another age old
problem of the media. Too many take themselves too seriously.
I bet many of them actually believe that people don't
make up their mind until they're told to. Many of
them will think an endorsement swings the race or moves
the needle. Many of them will think that Abezos as
(02:59):
owner really doesn't get to make the calls when guess
what he does. The upside might just be that a
tired old habit ie endorsement by newspaper might just have
died in the race of twenty four.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Is it not slightly odd that bees Ask claims that
his newspaper won't change anybody's mind. What's the point of
them having an opinion about anything because they do. I
don't know America, so rewrap. I think things are way
(03:37):
better than the UK right, everything's going swimmingly. They have
a change government. Everybody voted for it. It was huge,
It was huge.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Kyostama's budget tonight. Of course, he's got a lot on
his plates, just back from Chogham, where too many people
for his liking were insisting on talking about slavery and
how Britain those literally trillions of dollars. Britain doesn't have
trillions of dollars, of course, and opening that particular can
of worms as a road to fiscal ruin. If you
think the White tanging process has been tortuous for this country,
you ain't seen nothing yet on slavery. Even the King
(04:05):
cognizant of what it might mean if they go down
this Ever, ending Tracks said, no one is capable of
changing the past anyway. Not just that for Starma, but
also his lack of popularity. It's been a long time
since the Prime Minister has won an election so spectacularly
and squandered the honeymoon so quickly. Part of his problem
is the issue most Labour governments in Western democracies seem
(04:26):
to have the line they walk between what is perceived
as a labor party and the modern world. We've seen
it here, we're seeing it in Australia currently. Elbow is
also famously unpopular. And in Britain, where the budget will
involve tax increases, labor parties love taxes, except Starma promised
he wouldn't increase taxes for working people. And then that
lies the problem. What is a working person? He can't
(04:50):
and hasn't been able to define it historically. Of course,
it's a unionized grafter, a minor, a trucky, someone who
works in the steel mills, but those days are largely gone.
What it really is, but they can't say, is a
rich prick. Cullen famously said it here, of course by
a mistake, but that's who they're after. But the problem
with modern economies is working people can become rich pricks.
(05:11):
Not every working person. In fact, increasingly few are destined
to a life of low wages. Modern democracies allow many
to start at the bottom and work their way to
the top. New Zealand, like Britain, like Australia, is full
of people with businesses and homes and batches and god
for bid European cars who've actually done quite well for themselves.
You would like to think that sort of thing is encouraged,
but that's the modern problem with labor parties. They're stuck
(05:33):
in the past and self made success isn't celebrated, it's taxed.
And we will see how tortuous that path they tread
is tonight in the UK.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
The tough sale, isn't it. We're streeting their house secretary.
We had him one, we weren't interviewing. We've played audio
of him earlier on this morning saying that, ah, you know,
there'll still be people waiting on trolleys, hospital trolleys and
the corridors to be seen, but at least we're going
(06:05):
to be doing something about it time, which wasn't really
that encouraging. I guess if you're planning on going to the
hospital anytime soon, or if you're not planning on going
in the UK, we wrap So why wouldn't you want
to come and move to New Zealand And Yes, okay,
we have hospitble beds in the corridors as well, but
(06:26):
it's a New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Back to the immigration, When are we going to get
the sorted out. So I'm reading a fascinating piece yesterday
where the person who runs immigration in this country admits
that what they're doing is pretty much useless. Eleven weeks
for employer accreditation, twelve weeks for a job check, four
months for a work visa. I'm not proud of that
in any way. I admit it's not good enough. And
(06:49):
I can assure you that the team we're working with
alongside the minister is doing everything we can. This is
Alison McDonald who's the Immigration New Zealand head. But they're
talking to all sorts of people who just literally they
claim their businesses are going to fall over. What worries me.
There was one example of a person who wanted to
say manager for a bar. Now, I'm all for immigration,
(07:13):
I love immigration. I think immigration is fantastic for all
sorts of reasons. But is it true to say that
you can only bring a sales manager in from offshore?
The claim being they couldn't find a sales manager and
if they couldn't get a sales manager because of all
the delays, their business was going to go under. Is
that really true? So all you need is a sales
manager you're not after a magician, it's just a sales manager.
(07:34):
And you're telling me, in all of New Zealand there's
not a single person you can hire locally available. You've
got to bring someone in from ovacies. But in that,
I suppose is the complication of immigration settings. Anyway, they
talk to a guy called Tobias who's an advisor and
he says, not just hospital, it's all over the place.
Bigger companies at the moment tend to be saying we
don't see the point in renewing accreditation because you've got
(07:56):
to have a be accredited as an employer, or we
don't believe it's worth engaging in the process. Skilled people,
they're not bothering with New Zealand anymore. This is once
again like the tourism, like all the other issues gotten
foreign investment. You know, we're just not seen as a
cool place. They don't like us. The world just doesn't
like the cut of our GiB. At the moment, skilled people,
(08:17):
they're not bothering with New Zealand anymore. There's better options elsewhere.
The application fees have massively increased. The systems really are
cain and challenging for employers and migrants, and there's been
so much change that a lot of people are just going,
I'm just going to go elsewhere. So New Zealand Inc.
Doesn't have a particularly good reputation. What worries me about
(08:39):
this is that probably the most competent minister the current
government has, in the form of Erica Stanford's in chargeable
of this. And they've been in power now for a
year and I'm still reading reports about what a basket
case it is, and the head of the basket case
admits it's a basket case. So things need to change
in quickly.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
I just want to wish that every time we interviewed
somebody about one of these issues, Mike would say to
them straight straight out of the gate, Hey, so would
you describe this situation as gas or fast tracked? Which
which best sums it up? And then see how long
the pause A and a and a turmoil is after that?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Still rewrap right.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So more cuts on the way for insia posts by
the sounds of things, and this has really got the
rural community up in arms because they're going from five
days to three. Is that what's happening is.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
The postling a big deal? I got the vibe yesterday,
tell me if I'm hopelessly out of touch. They announce
MB who run New Zealand Post, that we're going to
have to do something because none of us seen mail
anymore and it's gone down to next to nothing, and
they think it will be one hundred million pieces by
twenty twenty eight. It was eight hundred and thirteen. So
it's plummeting over the last twenty years. And we all
know this. But once upon a time when they used
(09:55):
to say, oh, we're going to cut up from seven
days a week to six days a week to five
days a week, et cetera, everyone will go, oh my god,
the end of the world. Whereas now I noted yesterday
with the announcement which they're thinking, you bring it down
to three and two days a week, depending on where
the country you are. Does anyone care anymore because there's
so little male and therefore it doesn't affect us. Is
it just like that's life? Or have I completely misread
(10:17):
that this is like.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Those when people complain that they're rubbish? Isn't being collected
as often as it used to be or at all?
Or and you know, and I find out that there
are still places around not just around New Zealand, but
even around Auckland where they get free rubbish collection council
provided rubbish collection. Meanwhile, I'm paying hundreds of dollars a
(10:38):
year to an independent contractor for mine. It's like that
with the mail service. Did you realize that the rural
mail was still getting there every day of the week,
five days a week. No, the re wrap we're going
to finish up with the grass is not greener reasons
not to move to Australia. It's all to do with zombies.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
This is my ongoing thing that you know, for all
the green grass allegedly that's in Australia and attracting the
tens of thousands of New Zealanders to that part of
the world. Not only is that retail sector die yesterday,
I'm reading about the construction sector boom and bust, zombies,
zombie apocalypse Australian and they've got a house in crisis.
Housing is much more and we talked about this briefly
on the program the other day. With people leaving in
(11:21):
terms of jobs and trades and stuff like that, buying
a house in Australia is for many people, and especially
in the main centre, is prohibitively expensive if you want
to min about it here. It's even worse in Australia
and their housing crisis at the moment. The problem is
no one can afford to build the only building going on.
There's plenty of cranes about the place, but they're all
commercial and there are lots of companies that are in
(11:44):
zombie state. Is from KPMG Australia yesterday. The number of
ASX listed zombies has spiked from thirty one percent in
just six months to ninety four from a ninety four
to one hundred and twenty two companies. A zombie company
is a company that still trades, so in other words,
it hasn't gone bust. It's just they're not doing anything,
and they're not doing anything because they can't afford to
do anything, whether or not can't afford to pay the
(12:06):
workers or no one's building house is because they can't
afford to pay it on a per square meter basis.
So for all of the roads tentered glass viewing that's
going on, there's a lot going on wrong in Australia currently.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
So the end of life as we know it, certainly
in Australia as being brought about by zombies, just even
more slow moving and more insidious and slightly less groaning
and hungry zombies. Look, I really wanted to make that work,
(12:39):
the whole zombie apocalypse thing, because I had such a
good headline for it. I'm going to use it anyway.
I am Glenn Hart. That's how I roll. I'll see
you back here with more, maybe more zombies tomorrow. It
will be Halloween after all. We see then.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
For more from News Talk said B listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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