Full Show Podcast: 02 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Francesc Rudkin.
With you until midday, right, let's all go this morning.
Shortly we're off to Vegas to catch up with Warriors
CEO Cameron George ahead of their game against the Canberra
Raiders at one pm. Also this morning, I'm joined by
the cast of Six, the musical, which has just hit
our shores. This award winning musical takes a rather grim

(00:50):
history of King Henry's wives, you know the one Divorce
Beheaded Die, Divorce Beheaded Survived, and turns it into a
fabulous pop concert. It's a different perspective on the lives
of these queens, and they are with me for a
chat and to sing a number from the show. After ten.
Even if you're familiar with the TV show Bad Sisters
or the film The Northman, you'll know Danish actor and

(01:12):
musician plays Bang. His international breakthrough was in the palmed
Or winning film The Square, which I just loved. He's
made a career out of playing the bad guy, the villain.
He does it so well. But now he's changing things
up for his latest film, steps into the hero role
in the star studded action epic William Tale, which opens
in cinemas. It opened, actually in Cinema's on Thursday, So

(01:33):
Clays Bang is with me after eleven. You can text
any time throughout the morning. On ninety two, ninety two,
the Sunday session. So I almost gagged on Friday when
I saw a photo of the fish pie served up
on Thursday at some of Gisbon' schools. It was a
response to my childhood aversion to smoked fish pie. The

(01:56):
students were put off by the smell and the look
of it, and yep, that was a little bit familiar.
This was just the latest in a series of complaints
about the refreshed school lunch program, which began this year
and is fast heading for a fail in term one.
What began as teething problems and what could be characterized
as fussy complaints has clarified into a legitimate problem. The

(02:19):
government needs to do two things quick, smart, admit it
and fix it. This is an unnecessary irritation for David
Seymour because the intention is good to provide a cost
effective lunch with nutritional values so kids can learn at school,
and we all understand the importance of kids not being hungry.
We want them to be able to socialize, concentrate and
have enough energy to get through the day. Too many

(02:40):
families are struggling to provide this, and schools providing breakfast
or lunch is a simple way to help those families
and kids. Schools and communities were doing this before the
government program kicked off and have seen the benefits. But
when it was announced last year that the cost of
the meal would drop from around seven dollars to three,
I did think to myself, was this is this possible?
The previous program had its detractors. There were already complaints

(03:02):
about some meals and reported wastage. I presumed a new
approach had been well researched and would ensure a decent
nutritional standard, appealing meals, and a reduced cost. But the
government is struggling to successfully implement their program, and that's
inconvenient for a government supposedly all about delivery. Hot meals
are arriving cold, not at all or only partially. Meals

(03:25):
have been late, incorrectly labeled in leaking containers with broken seals,
and then someone put jalapeno peppers in a curry for kids,
which is just asking for a headline, right. It's all
a bit of a mess, and aside from sheer number
of complaints and uneated meals, the New Zealand Principles Federation
is urging Seawall to scrap the system. Predictably, Labour's Carmel

(03:45):
Separoni has suggested Seymour b sacked. While that's obviously a stretch,
some work clearly needs to be done to deliver the
simple nutritious, nutritious lunches seamore intended. As long as schools
continue wasting time and money providing back up lunches when
things go wrong, this will remain an issue. There is

(04:06):
one complaint I do have. I do sort of bork
at a little bit I have an issue with, and
that's that the meals are being delivered. The same meals
are being delivered for a week or more. I made
my kids school lunches until high school when they took over,
and whoever was making the lunches, it was pretty much
the same thing every day, the sandwich with the same filling,

(04:29):
often for months on end. Whatever the favorite was a
piece of fruits and baking in a mousley bar. Occasionally
we really mixed it up with some leftovers or maybe
some carrot and cucumber sticks. But in summary, it was
thirteen years of pretty boring and repetitive lunches and they
hardly complained. Hardly. The point is, yes, we need to
feed our kids, ideally with something a bit nutritional, but

(04:50):
most kids just actually have to suck up what's on offer.
You get what you get and you don't get upset.
But where Over a month into the new regime and
lunch gate keeps on rolling, schools and their students are
beginning to lose faith in the system, making those in
need even more reluctant to line up for a men Well,
and given what's at stake taxpayers money and the future
of our children, the government needs to find a better

(05:13):
balance between cost savings, edibility and sometimes literally delivery. It
will likely need to cost us a little more, so
be it the Sunday session, So fix it, scrap it.
What do you want to see done here? Love to
hear from you. You can text on ninety two ninety two

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and speaking of saving money, next we look at the
proposed reform of the legal aid system. It is twelve
past nine yet with the Sunday Session.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudgin and Woggles for
the best selection of great reads used talks.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
That'd be so.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
The first text I read this morning I get this
morning is from my mother who's got a bit of
an issue with the comment I made about the smoke
fish pie. It's nothing to do with the quality of
her smoke fish pie. It was even by everybody else
in the family. They loved it, mump, very good cook.
I didn't have an is she with much that she cooked?

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Was?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
There was something about that that I just really struggled with.
So apologies there, Mum, I've done that publicly. There we
go a lot of other texts coming through there. Tony said,
cancel the school lunch program. It's a dog's breakfast.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
Fun.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Schools to do it themselves. Any kid would do well
on a filled role in an Apple and says scrap
them as well. Linda says too much emphasis on expensive
nutritional advice filled role piece of fruit and a Friday
biscuit will do the trick.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Well, as I said to you, you know, my lunches
were pretty simple than my kids had, but they got one. Okay.
The legal aid system could be getting a shake up,
as Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has said the government will
review the scheme to ensure victims justice is a priority.
The minister said the system is under pressure with an
increase in the volume of court cases, expenses for third

(06:58):
party and specialist reports, and changes to eligibility in recent years.
Raser Barton is the president of the Law Society and
he joins me, now, thanks for you time this morning. Fraser,
are you there? Fraser, I've got them. I think we
just need to we need to hang on one moment there, Fraser,

(07:22):
are you there? Hang on, We're just going to work
out how we get Fraser to air here. We'll be
back with you at just one moment, Fraser, you might
be able to hear me. Another text here reads I'm sorry,
but the lunches are optional. No one is foolced to
eat them. If children don't like them. Parents are welcome

(07:42):
to feed their own children. If you're hungry, then you'll
eat what is served. I worked in a school with
lunches and the food is absolutely fine, fruit and snack,
superior quality to previous supplier. Bruce Cottrell apparently wrote an
article yesterday worth taking a look at Fraser? Are you there.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Not? Look?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
We'll keep working on getting Fraser to aar hair ah.
What's wrong with a good old bread with fillings? Why
does it have to be a hot lunch? She has
has said she Mum's texting me back. She's going thank you,
thank you for publicly clarifying it didn't feed me terrible
horrible smoke fish pies. Somebody else tech to say, scrap

(08:24):
the lunches. Give everyone with children who are on a
benefit or received working for families five dollars a week
per child. Increase then if they don't feed their kids,
if it's a problem and choice right, I'll see if
I can get Fraser on area there. Fraser, No, that's
all right. We're gonna take a quick break. We're gonna
come back and try and get Fraser on the line.
It is eighteen past nine. You were the Sunday session.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
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Speaker 7 (08:56):
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Speaker 3 (08:56):
I mentioned before the legal aid system could be getting
a shake up, as the Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith has
said that the government's going to review the scheme. Joining
me now is Fraser Barton, the President of the Law Society.
High Fraser, good morning from good Morning. Nice to have
you with us. Sorry about that technical pick up there.
Could you tell me why are we doing this? Is
the system not working, are people not getting the appropriate

(09:18):
representation or is it costing too much or all of
the above?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
All of the above. Look, the systems on its last legs.
There have been problems growing over the last twenty or
so years. We've really welcomed this. It is very timely
our Community Minister for his initiative, our system on their
works where everyone has equal access to justice and when

(09:46):
that doesn't happen, where you start having some major problems
in our society. So and it has become more costly
picking up that point that they're working on, the backlogs
that they're trying to address at the moment, and cases
are just getting more and more complex with I have

(10:06):
documents and existence you have electronic discovery, and we've got
these problems in all areas of criminal, family and civil.
So it is we desperately need this and as I say,
I'll welcome it.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
So is it broader than just looking at legal aid
in a way?

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Well, yes, there's a number of issues there, but at
the moment, the problems with the legal aid structure and
what we really want is a sustainable and fair legal
aid system that ensures an everyone who needs a lawyer
can access one and that the lawyers are paid freely

(10:43):
in the circumstances.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
So if you were going to look at the system
now Fraser and say right, this is what we need
to change, and that's what we need to change, what
would you suggest? What do you want to see happen?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Okay, look, there is going to be the need for
more money, but what we've got is some of the
processes in terms of administration are very time consuming and
quite costly. So there's there's efficiencies needed. So we do
need to look at that. We need to be training
the next generation of lawyers. We're missing a generation because

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people have been falling out of this area for the
last twenty years and it's an aging and diminishing workforce
and we've got some We're facing some major problems if
this isn't address soon, and that's why I welcome this
review by the Minister.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Well fascinating. Thank you very much, Fraser, appreciate your time
this morning. That was Fraser Barton, President of the Law Society.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
First Sunday Session.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Okay, it's a huge day for the Warriors in the NRAL.
They're just hours away from the historic kickoff in Las Vegas.
They play the Canberra Raiders at one pm today and
looking at the footage shared by the club and fans,
it looks like a blast over there. Warriors CEO Cameron
George is in Vegas and he joins me, now, good morning, Cameron,
good morning. Paint us a picture. What's it like in

(11:58):
Vegas at the moment ahead of the game.

Speaker 8 (12:01):
It's amazing. There's so much excitement around the place. There's
Warriors jumpers and supporters in every street you walk down.
We're just so proud of our fans being here. The
week's built up really well. The boys are training well,
they're settled in well and you know, we're just hoping
today that we can go out there and make our
fans proud.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
How big is this for the club to be involved
in this weekend?

Speaker 8 (12:26):
It's massive the exposure our club's got from this trip
and the fan base and growing our fan base, and
it's been amazing, like the amount of media coverage we've
had over here. Everyone's really got on the you know,
the bandwagon with us, and you know it'll be an
amazing experience at this stadium.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
I read someone say that it was the biggest opening
match since the first game in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 8 (12:52):
Would you agree, Well, in terms of the event, yes,
it's massive, Like every game is big for us. We
want to win for our fans, but this is a
special occasion, you know, where it's different. You know, there'll
be fifty odd thousand people there today in an amazing stadium,
so you know, with a modified field, there's a lot
of change to what we normally used to but it's

(13:14):
a great experience for our club and we're very excited
about it.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Are the Americans interested in rugby league?

Speaker 8 (13:22):
Well, apparently they've sold thousands of tickets and each state
has purchased tickets. The NRL will tell them use the
other day. So it's slowly but surely getting there. Cut
through in the media here has been unreal. A lot
of American media have been following us around this week,
done a stack of interviews for domestic media, So yeah,

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they're buying into it. On in today's event will be
huge for it. And we're playing the first game ever
on Fox free to wear that goes to every American home,
So you know, we're very privileged around that situation and
hopefully that helps, you know, the people of America get
behind the game fantastic.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Have a lot of the team traveled outside of Australasia before.
They pretty excited about being in Vegas.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
They are. Look, not many of them are played in America.
I know the Keiwei's played here a few years ago,
but look, yeah, i'd say to be a first for
a lot of our boys, and.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
I imagine there's a bit of a balance you need
to reach. Of course, we've got the game we've got
to focus on, but I'm sure they wanted to sort
of soak up what Vegas has to offer.

Speaker 8 (14:28):
Yeah. Absolutely, Look, there's a real balance our boys and
menus that handled it well this week. We got here
early last Saturday, and you know, we've had a couple
of days to get around and have a look. But
the boys are training well and prepared well and there
should be no excuse today to go out there and perform.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Logistically, has it been quite a lot to get the
team over there camera and I imagine this is quite
different to what you're normally dealing with.

Speaker 8 (14:51):
Yeah, it's been a huge, huge exercise. You know, one
of the biggest countries in the world, and you know
you're just a small footy team footy club from New Zealand,
and you know it's somewhat different the travel schedules and
the requirement and so on. But again, you know we've
put a lot of work into our planning and preparing

(15:11):
for it, and you know it's executed well so far.

Speaker 9 (15:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
No, it sounds like it's been an amazing week. Obviously,
you've invested a lot on this trip. We were talking
about sort of the eyes on the game that you're
going to get the broadcasting and the crowds. So what
opportunities are there then for the US, for the Warriors
and the NRL sort of post this weekend.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
Well, it's hard to measure it, but our purpose here
is to win the game first and foremost, but also
to grow the brand and our partners on our brand
share the experiencing being exposed into a large market, and
we just want to know, hopefully get a few more
local fans and start to follow our club. And you know,
it's a long road, but it's you've got to do

(15:53):
these things to grow your brand, and you know something
we take very seriously, and we can get a few
more fans on board buying merchandise and ultimately memberships and
supporting the club. That's that's what we're after.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Cameron, looking ahead to the season, you're back home for
the next game. You've sold out, You sold out every
game last year. I get the feeling it's going to
be another sold out ceiling. I think season. I think
you've already sold sixty percent of general ticketing, Is that right?

Speaker 8 (16:20):
Yeah, we sold out all of our corporate hospitality and
memberships are up on last year. And yeah, we're from
a general sales perspective, we're sitting about sixty two percent
now across the season. So look, it's heading in the
right direction. But again, you know, we want to win
today and really inspire our fans to get out to
Mount Smart when we get home and be there for
our first official home game back in New Zealand in

(16:43):
two weeks time.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Oh Cameron, best of luck this afternoon, enjoy Vegas. We
shall be watching And of course Kackoff is at one
pm today New Zealand time. You'll be able to catch
that on Sky TV. Now, don forget that. King Henry.
The eighth six wives will be with me out at
ten o'clock this morning. Yes, all six of them. It's
going to be a little bit crazy. They're the cast
of the musical six. They're going to be in a

(17:06):
chat and a song. It's ninety nine. You're with Newstalgs EBB.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
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Speaker 3 (17:17):
New Zealand Herald Deputy Political Editor Thomas Coughlan is with
us now to talk local politics. How are you this morning, Thomas,
I'm very well.

Speaker 10 (17:25):
Thanks you for Ancesca love. Dan Wellington, oh good to hear.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Beautiful day. I think it's a beautiful day. Cross country
which is lovely. The school lunchgate which just keeps kind
of rolling on as a pretty unnecessary irritation for David Seymour,
isn't it. I mean, I just think they need to
kind of admit we've got a problem, and get on
with fixing it as fast as possible. I'm just a
bit worried that everyone's going to lose sort of interest

(17:49):
in patients in it and it's all going to be
a waste of money.

Speaker 10 (17:52):
Yes, it is. It is a fascinating political issue. You know,
You've got hundreds of thousands of children receiving these lunches,
hundreds of thousands of parents out there who are give
me these stories, you know, seeing these stories about these
these lunches, and it does create the sense, you know,
I've spoken to some parents who have told me that

(18:13):
that that it gives a sense that the government doesn't
really care about about what their children are are getting.
So that's sort of a bleeding stare. And that's a
political like nightmare really, because you've got every single day
the opportunity somewhere in the country for one of these
lunches to become a news story. So it is, it is,
there's a nightmare. But then on the other side of things,

(18:35):
you know, David Seymour has got a bit of a
point when he talks about the affordability of the problem.
You know, we've got a deficis of many billions of
dollars at the moment. From a purely kind of treasury worldview,
New Zealand couldn't afford the lunch program when it started
up a couple of years ago, and we still can't
afford it now. So you know, he's he's he's on

(18:56):
firm putting from a financial perspective. Of course, the Prime
Minister and the main contractor I think compasses their name.
Prime minister said, well, look come, David Seymore's sorting it
out and needs to sort it out. And the contractor
has said, you know, look where we are aware of
these seething issues and we're going to sort them out.
So there's a lot of political pressure on David Seymore,

(19:18):
I have to say, but you know, to be fair
to the guy, he does have some strength of the
arguments that that the program as it was was unaffordable.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah. So well, like if if the text or anything
to go by Thomas, everyone's fed up with it and
is just saying scrap it, find another way. There we go, Hey,
our prime minister, Our prime minister has responded to the
Trump Zelensky over office meeting.

Speaker 10 (19:42):
Yes, yes he did. It was a very he he
was traveling back from Vietnam at the time this this
this blew up roughly. I'm not sure of the executor
of the exact timing of comparing the different time zone,
so he was he was quite cautious, actually, a very
a very careful statement which avoided, i think, in flaming
tensions with the US because obviously you don't want to

(20:03):
you don't want to to to to to alienate the
White House. But it was also quite a firmly word
of statement in that at back Ukraine quite strongly. So
he just said that he was aware of President Trump
and Zealenci's robust exchange and didn't really that's a direct coat,
didn't really comment on what he thought about that exchange,

(20:23):
and then went on to say that New Zealand remains
said fast and it's a board of Ukraine as it
defends itself and a war the Russia started. It's mounting
the defense of a proud, democratic sovereign nation, but also
the defense of international law, which does suggest, you know,
implicitly that that lufs and backs the Ukrainian side, but
of course not saying that explicitly. And I suppose it's

(20:44):
a it's a diplomatic dancer. I think he actually did
fairly well, fairly well there and certainly as he redone
the z B politically. The Jason Water's column from his
time in Vietnam. He's just come back from trip to Vietnam.
He's actually managing that that diplomatic dance fairly fairly well.
Being a relatively newcomer to the world of international deplomacy, Thomas, we.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Keep hearing it energy reforms and how they're going to
lower our power bills. In that conversation always seems to
come up when another email pops into my own box
from Mercury telling me my energy prices are about to
go up. What's going on here?

Speaker 10 (21:19):
Yes, well it does. These ammunity reforms, let's Simon Watson
Shane Jones announced this week they they tip toe towards
this the sort of nirvana I guess that people have
been talking about for many years, which is to break
up the big gum tailors, the the generator retailers. This

(21:41):
this these reforms do not do that, be very clear,
but they sort of tiptoe in that direction by creating
a more separated wholesale market. So obviously the generating retailer
is still still generating and then telling their own power.
But the to put it simply, the machinations of the

(22:03):
energy market within within the the generation and retail arms
of both the gen Taylors and the and the other
retailers will be regulated in the extent that there's a
sort of level playing fields for most of the players
in the in the market, which which they hope will
will will put pressure to keep prices affordable. But but

(22:25):
will it be enough over winter? I mean, we're already
hearing some sort of night miarish talk about another very
difficult winter in terms of power prices. It's going to
be really difficult for the government, which is already obviously
behind in the polls, and they'll be trying to do
everything they can to ensure that that we don't see
a repeat of last winter. And that is actually what
they've been saying explicitly, and press releases and media commentary

(22:47):
they've been saying, we do not want to repeat it
for last winter. So they had to have put the
generator retailers on notice. So it will be a very
interesting to see where we are in September.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
We shall wait and see. Thomas Cockland, thank you for
your time this morning.

Speaker 11 (22:59):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Well being researcher doctor Denise Quinlan has been studying how
we work in New Zealand and her findings show boads
and not sustainable, with up to fifty percent of New
Zealand workers at risk of severe burnout. So what are
we going to do about it? Dot m Quinlan is
with me next. It's twenty two to ten, putting the.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Tough question to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 12 (23:21):
The power business heading to another winter. A price increases
in coal inmpiltation Energy Minuster Simon Wattson's with us.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
How worried about winter are you?

Speaker 13 (23:27):
I am worried, Mike. Situation is pretty acute. I think
most people know. It's pretty dry out there at the moment.
Like levels are lower than what they were at this
time last year. We still haven't got get supplied. That
means that it's going to be a tight winter.

Speaker 12 (23:39):
Do you say what you see because you needed to
say it or just fill some headlines? In other words,
are they scurrelous and are now going to have to
tidy their ACKed up? Or were they decent players?

Speaker 14 (23:48):
Anyway?

Speaker 13 (23:48):
Now, look, Mike, the circumstances are changed. We need some action.
And we need to see everyone playing their part. We
need more generation, but we also need a competitive market.

Speaker 12 (23:57):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic Asking Breakfast with
the Rain Driver of the LAMB News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
It's It's a Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of great breaths, news talksv.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Current workplace demands on employees have reached the point where
we're basically fracking human resources. That's the belief of wellbeing
researcher doctor Denise Quinland. Across the last eighteen months or so,
Denise has undertaken research and surveys to better understand our
workplaces and the pressures put on employees. The findings show
our workloads are not sustainable, with up to fifty percent

(24:38):
of New Zealand workers at risk of severe burnout. That
he has now released a report into this and a
new podcast, both called Making Work Better and Doctor Denise
Quinlan joins me, now, good morning.

Speaker 15 (24:50):
Good morning, love you for be with you, Thank you
so much for your time.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Tell me when did the way we are working become problematic?

Speaker 15 (24:58):
Franciska, It's happened gradually over the past forty years, and
it really accelerated with the advent of smart phones, high
speed internet, and then COVID accelerated it even further.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
So what's happened to our workplaces then, and how's that
impacting us?

Speaker 15 (25:19):
Well? I really think of it as two things have
combined to drive most of this, and one is the
kind of the increasing pace and demands of work, and
the other is tech. So if we think about pay
and demand, over literally the last four years, we've restructured right, size,
down size, cutback, and all of this has been this
kind of relentless drive for efficiency, and most of us

(25:42):
come from getting workers to do more, faster with less.
And we've also got more insecurity around our work, so
that's a big driver. And then the other one our smartphones,
laptops and high speed internet net that mean we can
work anywhere, anytime, and we're also look last week, last
week I heard about a supervisor telling a woman going

(26:05):
in to have a baby, look, if the contractions stopped,
you could log on for a while and that would
be useful, you know. But it's true. We've all got stories.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
You know, because the tea's interesting isn't it, Because that
hasn't happened on the night, Like, you know, the minute
we got email, somebody should have gone, oh, hang on
a minute, just think about this.

Speaker 15 (26:29):
Look, we were frogs in hot water. We've all seen
the upside. It's all been amazing. And at first it
was really cool that you could do your you could
do your phone call, your email at home. But now
what it means is we're not present where we are,
and you know, I'm hearing all these stories of parents

(26:51):
missing kids awards, working through their kids' birthday parties, their performances,
you know, and and so what felt like freedom at
the start, now isn't You've done a.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Lot of research into this area, surveying the work. Yes,
try and sum up for us a little bit what
you have found.

Speaker 15 (27:12):
So what I found in a small survey was what
I was seeing in the workplace was burnout and lack
of hope. And I thought, let's go and find, first
of all, find what's happening, and then see is anyone
doing this well? Is anyone making progress? So that's really
what I've been at. In these surveys, we found over

(27:32):
eighty percent of people saying they felt exhausted and ineffective
to keep burnout factors, and about seventy percent of people
found work overwhelming or unsustainable sometimes I always, you know.
And this was laid out late twenty three and by
June twenty four, in a much bigger survey, Jared Harf

(27:53):
and Massy found on average, one in two New Zealanders
were at risk of severa burnout if you were in
clerical work, that was up to eighty nine percent.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
So, Denise, is this an employee issue to fix or
an employer should be finding a solution?

Speaker 15 (28:10):
Well, what I would say is this will take all
of us at home and at work.

Speaker 16 (28:16):
You know.

Speaker 15 (28:17):
Initially, workplace strategies tended to focus on individual well being
and we often talk about that as the three f's
of fruit bowls, flu, jabs, and fitness. But the truth
is you can spend all night and all weekend looking
after your well being. But if you come to a
workplace with an unrealistic workload, no clarity around role boundaries, priorities,

(28:37):
and no support, that's not enough. You know, We've got
to address the workplace drivers will burnout, but we also
need to look at how we're living at home, and
that's kind of tech and consumerism, I think, So is
there a.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Way forward here or is it a bit of a
two hard basket.

Speaker 15 (28:56):
Look, I think some of us have felt like deer
in the headlights and we've just kind of got oh,
I can't think of a way through, and that's why
I went and found these companies who are finding way through.
So I think on the personal side, a lot of
people are making change. You know, the people who've gone
back to flip phones, who are committed to recycling and
not buying fast fashion, choosing time over things. Those people

(29:20):
are all doing what they can in their own lives.
But there are also workplaces that are making change. And
these are the ones I think of who've gone it
is time to stop cracking human resources. We've got to
make work humanly sustainable. And there are organizations doing that
and succeeding in business.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
And how are they? How are they doing that away?

Speaker 15 (29:44):
So if there are five key things I found, so
let me tell you those, and then I'll give you
an example, a really simple example that we can all apply.
So the five common things in these organizations that I
would go and work for in the morning, where listening
to understand, listening to their workers to understand not what's

(30:04):
not working, and then co design solutions. The second one
was a culture of care and support. These are places
that have there's just a whole range of things we do.
We could talk all day about, you know, scaffets all day, breakfast,
health insurance, Kiwi banks and compassionately that's got no time limit.

(30:25):
That applies to diverse family structures. And then there's finding
new ways of working. And that's the one I want
to come back to. But the fourth one was fostering
a sense of purpose and belonging. It was realizing people
are going to come to work for a paycheck. They
need a sense of purpose and they also need to
feel they belong somewhere. And the last one is leadership.

(30:47):
And that's leadership that's about empowerment, connection and collaboration. Rather
than being the smartest boss in the room who knows
all the answers, I.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Really want to hear your real life experience things I've
got about thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Is that all right?

Speaker 17 (31:00):
Okay?

Speaker 15 (31:01):
The big one that I would say to people that
I've seen huge be hugely powerful is asking the question,
what's the low value work you do that really grinds
your peers and reduces low satisfaction and adds no value
to customers.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
How can we cut that out that easy? Denis really
nice to talk to you. Thank you so much making
work better. Denise has released a new podcast and a report,
and that is what it is called. It is twelve
to ten New Stalks at B the.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Sunday Session full show podcast on my Heart Radio powered
my News Talks b.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Thank you very much for your feedback this morning. My
workload has got a little no sorry here, I am RICHISCA.
I would like to say the reason fifty percent of
us are at risk of burnout is because of the
need to work longer and harder, to make an extra
fifty cents to get ahead and also cover all the
people there that don't want to work. Yeah, and look,
that was something that Denise mentioned, Braid. You're right. We're
all under pressure, right, We've got job security issues and

(32:00):
all sorts of things, so we're sort of working very hard.
Thank you for your text. A lot coming through about
the school lunches. The general consensus is, I think I
can say here, is that people are like, look, if
you don't like it, make your own lunches for your
kids and a lot of you agree with me, you know.
I was sort of explaining how my kids pretty much
at the same thing every day until they'd make a suggestion.

(32:21):
I go, yeah, no worries, we can do that. And
a lot of people saying what's wrong with a sandwich
or a field roll? I can only imagine it takes
less time to make a massive, big curry than it
does to make individual sandwiches. I presume that's sort of
been That's the reason why they do these hot meals,
and they do them in bulk, you know, and then
throw the ailipinos in just through. I think it's quite

(32:43):
funny they put ailipinos in the curry. I wonder whether
someone was just having a bad day and when take
this kids strough some one of the hottest peppers that
you can get into the curry. Anyway, moving on, Hey
have you seen the photos of our Sports and Recreation
Minister Mark Mitchell doing a mono yesterday? He was at
the z Monu Grand Finals. He was at Auckland Harbor.
He was clearly not dressed to compete. He was in

(33:07):
a soup pants and a shirt. The photos I saw
and he went, you know what, I'm in I'm doing
this and off he went pretty good style. Have a
look at the photos. They're pretty they're quite amusing. He went,
and he sort of took an old, old school stance
as he hit the water. But I just say kind

(33:27):
of good on him for getting in there. But this
is the thing about us kiwis, isn't it. We see
people jumping off something, whether it's a wharf or a
bridge or something. We just can't help ourselves. And I
reckon that that is what happened to him. I reckon
he was standing there watching it all happen and go,
you know what I'm in And the competition organizer, Scott Rice,
he said the minister's visit was part of, you know,

(33:48):
the money becoming seen as a national sport. It's going
to become our national sports folks. But he said, we
didn't expect him to actually take the leap he did.
The NZID Herald if you want to take a look
at the photos of Marke Mitchell really kind of living
his portfolio, but within his abilities. There we go, we'll
be back shortly the Newstalks.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
He'd be.

Speaker 18 (34:15):
Still ten minutes on the car with Jamie George and then.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Alrighty not sure what happened there. Let's just carry on,
shall we? What have we got here? Let me read
some more texts for you. Good morning. When I worked
in a school last government the free meal, When the
last government free meals were provided, I saw firsthand the

(34:43):
waste of meals being thrown out. This will never change.
Just a nice sandwich, a piece of fruit, yogurt, cookie
and muffins. It's all that's required. It's not dinner, it's
a free breakfast is also provided in most schools. And
they said, look, if you've seen the waist I was seeing,
it's pretty upsetting. The Compass group had red flags before

(35:07):
Seymour hand picked them to supply school lunches. Seymour decided
he knew better and went with Compass. The failure is
one hundred percent on Seymour's failure. I also just want
to mention that Great Chats is back this week and
this is a really fabulous way. This is a really
fabulous way for you to catch up with the interview
the interviews that we do here on the Sunday session.

(35:29):
So each month we select our favorite interviews for you
to enjoy in the podcast. Our latest podcast of Great
Chats released on Thursday. We've got cancer survivor and educated
Jake Bailey talking about overcoming adversity. We've got Key we
actress MORGANA. O'Reilly talking about overcoming imposter syndrome while shooting
the latest series of The White Lotus. And also CIA
analysts turned thriller writer David Klosky. He talks about his

(35:51):
life in the CIA. So it's a really great way
for you to for you to find, you know, the
interviews that we've done, some of our favorite interviews from
the month and have a listen. So great chats. It's
out now and you can listen and follow on iHeartRadio
or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, coming up

(36:12):
next hour, Steve Neil has his Oscar predictions for us.
And to kick off the hour, I'm joined by the
fabulous cast of the musical Six, which has just landed
on our shores and tells the story of King Henry
the Eighth's wives. All six queens are going to be
in the studio. I'm going to chat to Georgia Kennedy,
who plays Catherine Park, and Zelia Rose Tico, who plays
and of Cleats, both of whom got off quite lightly

(36:35):
compared to some of King Henry, the eighths other wives.
We're gonna be talking about the musical though, and then
all six queens have a performance for us. That's next
here on Newstalk zb.

Speaker 11 (36:46):
Could ask you could have told me, fellow, would you.

Speaker 19 (36:54):
Are first or go.

Speaker 17 (36:58):
Chats?

Speaker 19 (37:10):
I'll say, good God when I'm on.

Speaker 11 (37:18):
Stagnate that because I understand seeing off teas or another.

Speaker 19 (37:26):
Your teas or another day, your tears are another day.

Speaker 11 (37:43):
Made you think that I would always know I said
some things that I should never said. Yah, I broke
your heart like someoney some morn Now you would love
me for a second time. I don't know what I say. Also,

(38:07):
I'm thinking bad when I.

Speaker 19 (38:15):
Could see me bad because I won't say save your
teas for another.

Speaker 15 (38:23):
A real last merce.

Speaker 11 (38:27):
You don't serve someone better save your.

Speaker 19 (38:32):
Desert, your desert.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Welcome to the Sunday Session with Francisca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of great reeds used to talk
to me.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
This is the sent session. I'm Franchisca rud Can with
you until mid day. Good to have you with us.
It is seven past ten. Right divorced, beheaded, dyed divorced, beheaded, survived.
That's how we generally remember the story of our tutor women,
the six ex wives of the infamous King of England,
Henry the Eighth. All six remembered far more for their

(39:28):
deaths than the lives they led. The stories and lives
of the queens are the basis of the musical Six,
which has just hit our shores, taking sixteenth century British history,
a grim history at that, and basically turning it into
a pop concert. Now, all six ex wives will join
us very soon to perform a number from the show.
But right now, Georgia Kennedy, who plays Catherine Parr, and
Zelia Rose Kitoko, who is Anne of Cleaves with me.

(39:51):
Good morning ladies, thank you for coming in.

Speaker 20 (39:54):
Good morning.

Speaker 16 (39:55):
Great to be here.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Georgia, maybe you could talk us through this musical. It's
kind of history reimagined. Is that a good way to
put it? Told from the perspective of Henry's six wives? Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (40:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (40:08):
How we talk about this show is that it's a
pop concept, it's a musical theater show, and it's a
history lesson all mashed into one. So yeah, absolutely, it's
that three and one and it's told from the perspectives
of the Six Queens.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
So, Celia, how do you take at what makes this
sort of rather grim story such a energetic, fabulous sort
of pop concert.

Speaker 21 (40:32):
Yeah, well, I think it's the rewriting of history in
a way that brings it into the twenty first century.
We're talking about, you know, we're basically reenacting a historical
piece like a you know, like we're playing ode to
these queens in a way that kind of enables them
to be elevated. You know, it's like this retelling from
this femin lens that you wouldn't normally hear about in

(40:54):
the history books. And the good part of it is
that it kind of is satirical and turns it around
and creates a comedy and an empowering piece that you know,
you take inspiration from and you kind of understand these
queens a little more in their full energy.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, how accurate is it? Hows How's do you know
what it actually is history?

Speaker 16 (41:14):
Obviously it's a pop concert, So that's not how accurate.
But when we look at the script and the score,
it is one hundred percent accurate. Everything we're speaking about
is exactly what happened to these women. I guess the
inaccuracy comes with bringing their stories into the twenty first century.
The gorgeous costumes we wear, the songs we sing are
all sort of very twenty twenty five, but it is

(41:37):
all historically accurate, which is amazing.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Because in a way, you're playing these queens, these real
life women, but you're also been inspired by kind of
the queens of music today.

Speaker 16 (41:46):
Absolutely, absolutely, Like our director sort of spoke to us
at the start of the rehearsal process and said, Okay, imagine,
you know, these queens from the fifteen hundreds are coming
into the twenty first century. They're kind of rising from
the grave, and we've got a bit of them. We've
got a bit of this like pop diva energy, and
we've got you and you all like meshed together, and

(42:07):
you're coming together because now is the perfect time to
tell their stories. So yeah, so we kind of bring
that every night and it's really really fun.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Celia, did you know a lot about Henry and his
wives and the stories and the history around us. I mean,
the consensus is that he was an awful, awful person.

Speaker 21 (42:26):
I think everybody knows that when they know the history
or not, that he was really ruthless and you know,
Nihali as a person. But it was really interesting doing
the research on that, Like we had some really good
reading material and some good documentaries as well to kind
of find out more. But I just was always like,
like flabbergacaid how these women actually managed to finesse living
amongst his you know, amongst that time and also in

(42:50):
such a position of power, but dealing with so many
variables of like how hard it was for women at
that time and obviously how ruthless it was. But yeah,
just every queen has her power, you know, every queen
has has something unique about her, and you know it's
just it's just stories that aren't told very often. Is
from the women's perspective as well. So I was really

(43:10):
interested in that part.

Speaker 17 (43:11):
To you.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
You play Anne of Cleat, you called Anna in the
film just to keep, just for to make things a
little bit more simpler, right, And what did you learn
about her that kind of intrigued you or fascinated you.

Speaker 21 (43:22):
Yeah, well, she actually came from privilege herself. She's like
a German like, she's born into loyalty as well. It
was arranged marriage, so basically when they met, it was
he kind of created this rumor that she.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Was ugly, like that was her.

Speaker 21 (43:34):
That was kind of her story. But actually they met
and it was like a blind date and it just
went terribly. It was like a failed blind date where
they were like, oh, there's no vibe, but we have
to get married, right, And then I was like, yeah,
so they end up getting married. I think there was
no They had a terrible sex life and it was
just like really it really flopped. But she managed to
finesse a prenup because she was from royalty, She was
from privilege, and she was able to kind of get

(43:57):
letters sent from her family to their family and to
Henry to be like, Okay, this marriage didn't work out,
but now we're going to organize something, so let's just
make this as smooth as possible.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
She has the most positive story. Would that be fair
to say?

Speaker 20 (44:08):
Absolutely?

Speaker 21 (44:09):
She she she had her prenup. She was one of
the richest women in England in her time, and yeah,
I believe like she was like had her own palace,
and you know, she was actually friends with Captain Howard
as well. I believe they kind of had this relationship,
so I think, you know, there must have been she
she didn't have emotional ties to Henry. Basically she was

(44:29):
happy to you know, have her prenup of course, as
you would be, but also just like live her life
in not exile, but just on her own terms.

Speaker 11 (44:38):
I guess.

Speaker 9 (44:38):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 16 (44:39):
Think on her like, you know, her and Henry were friends. Like,
she wasn't beheaded. She could have been beheaded really, he
had done that before, but she was able to strike
this friendship with him and they kind of kept that
until she died. Yeah, just really cool.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Yeah, you play Catherine part who also you could say
had an okay outcome because she outlived King Henry. But
they had an interesting relationship too. What would you call
the as a friendship, the relationship it was.

Speaker 16 (45:09):
Yeah, I think when we talk about Catherine Parr, she
definitely survived Henry and sort of the first year after
his death was great, but then she had actually a
very tragic ending, as tragic as Jane Seymour. She dies
in childbirth. The man that she loves turns out to
not quite be the man she thought he was. He
you know, is frolicking around with Elizabeth I and so

(45:33):
she had a really tough end of life really, but
she survived Henry because she was very clever. I believe
she struck a friendship with him, and at that point
in his life, you know, he was decaying when she
married him, literally decaying literally, so she was able to
sort of finesse a friendship with him. And there was

(45:54):
a point where she could have been executed and she
kind of played the chess game with him and was
able to survive him.

Speaker 20 (45:59):
So she was amazing.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Has it been quite fun to put a different perspective
on these women, these women that we know but we
have sort of quite well. Our perspective is often around
how they whether they survived or whether they died.

Speaker 11 (46:12):
Yeah, like you know, I.

Speaker 16 (46:14):
Didn't actually know the whole divorce beheaded died, divorce beheaded survived.
Is this thing that we learn in the history classes
in the UK, not so much mean Australia, but I
think worldwide we know that that rhyme. We don't know
anything else about these queens really, and all of this
history was written by men for men, so to be
able to rewrite it with a female lens, and also,

(46:37):
you know, we're learning more about these queens literally in.

Speaker 20 (46:39):
Twenty twenty five.

Speaker 16 (46:40):
Females are going back and looking at the history and
looking at the documents and still finding out things about
these queens that we can make relevant for us in
the twenty first century. And that's really cool. History is
actually always ever changing as well.

Speaker 21 (46:53):
It is, and I think now especially we're seeing a
lot of resurgence of like period dramas told from a
different perspective, like different people in those positions. I think
even like British and is a good example of like
the casting, you know, it looks so different. It's like,
see how we can actually translate into now like this
time in the world, but also play like ode to
those stories and the times that that of the characters

(47:14):
we're playing. But let's like let's modernize it and frame
it into a new lens.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Celia and Georgia, thank you so much for coming and chatting.
We actually have all six of the queen's here, which
is very exciting. And you guys are going to perform
for us. What are you gonna sing?

Speaker 16 (47:28):
We're gonna sing a fear song.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, we're gonna sing.

Speaker 11 (47:34):
Yeah, We're gonna.

Speaker 21 (47:34):
Gona mash it up and do a little remix.

Speaker 16 (47:37):
Yeah, an acoustic remix.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Fantastic, Let's do it.

Speaker 22 (47:47):
Listen enough, let me tell your story.

Speaker 18 (47:51):
Sorry, that you think you've heard.

Speaker 16 (47:55):
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Speaker 19 (50:26):
Where's six?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Wow? Just amazing, ladies. That was the cast of six
and musical Kimberly Deadre, Lauren, Georgia, Zelia and Chelsea. They're
the ex wives of Henry the Eighth and Danny alone guitar.

Speaker 18 (50:48):
There.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Look, I saw this last night. It is a real blast.
It's designed as a pop show. It comes with its
own sort of self contained stage. It's got a live band.
The queens are there sharing their tragic stories. It's kind
of like a competition to see who's got the most
tragic story. Very contemporary, as we were talking about in
the interviews, sort of modern day Andy writing of history

(51:11):
from the perspective of the wives. And the music is
all inspired by current queens of pops. The costumes were favorous. Look,
the performances were really tight. There is some extraordinary powerful
voices in the mix there. The band was great, the
energy fantastic, plenty of humor. It's short, snappy, it's under
an hour and a half. But here's the other thing

(51:33):
that was fantastic was the audience was awesome musical fans.
They wanted to be there. They were clapping all the
way through, really vocal. They treated it like a pop
concert as well, really quick to their feet at the
end of the show. And I like that because I
don't think we're very good at showing appreciation here in
New Zealand. I think we get a little bit reserved,

(51:54):
and so it was just a real blast. So if
you love your musicals, six is at the Civic in
Auckland until the twenty third of March. It is twenty
past ten. You're with news Talks eb go a cover.

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Speaker 3 (53:23):
Ah yes, it is Oscar's time and joining me now
for entertainment. Steve Neill from flicks dot co dot n Z,
Good morning.

Speaker 23 (53:30):
Good morning. Are you ready for a glamorous Monday afternoon tomorrow?

Speaker 24 (53:33):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (53:34):
Well, I mean I'm ready to watch one carpet for yourself.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
No, I'll just plot myself on a couch, probably on
my own.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
For most of it.

Speaker 23 (53:44):
Quite like the idea of a red carpet for one
red carpet.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
For one.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
This I think these oscars are probably the hardest to
pick in a long time.

Speaker 23 (53:56):
Yeah, maybe there's sort of No, I don't think there's
a conventional leader of the pack, and this is Oscars.
Amelia Perez has the most nominations, but the heat has
already gone out of that for a bunch of different reasons.
It feels like, yeah, kind of failed. Just heading into
the last straight before the awards voting closed. For Best Picture,
I'm leaning towards Honora to take up Best Picture. That's

(54:18):
Sean Baker's Palm d'Or winning drama about an American sex
worker who has an impulsively fast relationship with the son
of a Russian oligarch. This is a great intense American drama,
but it might get nudged out by conclave potentially, like
it is a real crowd pleasure, the Papal thriller. But

(54:40):
I'd also say that don't count the Brutalist either. It's
just such a big swing at the fences type of filmmaking.
So among the main contender's top prizes, yeah, aforementioned Honora,
the Brutalist Amelia Perry is a real pain, is likely
to pick up one or two awards that the acting
awards have probably been for the most part, the favorites

(55:01):
have been established. Karen Kulkin has won every award going
for Best Supporting Actor for A Real Pain.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
So that which is great, and I think his performance
is fantastic. But I think it's a real shame that
Guy Pierce isn't getting a look in for the Brutalist.
I feel it like as much as I loved Karen
Culkin's performance in A Real Paint, I also feel like
I've seen him play parts of that character before.

Speaker 23 (55:23):
Yeah, there's a kind of Culkin persona thing that's going
on at this point, but it's he's got all the form.
He's won every every award going and the lead up
to the Oscars this week, Best Actress is an interesting
one to me. More it might be this kind of
you know, a career Oscar. I guess in some ways,
her performance and the substance is fantastic. She brings a

(55:46):
lot of herself to that film, particularly you know, the
self scrutiny of an aging star. But she's up against
Mikey Madison, and again I kind of just I'm just
swept up in Anora at the moment. I think it's
quite likely to take Best Director as well for Sean Baker.
So see here we go, but certainly no no done

(56:08):
deals are the Oscars this year?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
I wonder whether Adrian Brody has eggedor and a leaving
role wrapped up for the bra I do the most obviously,
so that you could.

Speaker 18 (56:16):
Go, yeah, there's the money on that.

Speaker 23 (56:18):
I fairly sure. Bit and Zoe Seldana as well for
Amelia Pas for Best Supporting Actress. Oscars, of course, are
on Disney Plus, kicking off at twelve thirty pm tomorrow
and hosted by Conan O'Brien.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Has he ever done it?

Speaker 14 (56:32):
No? Okay, I think it's a good fit.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, I think it's a good fit.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Okay, all right, So that's the Oscars tomorrow. Always good,
I think when it's less predictable, indeed makes absolutely more entertaining.

Speaker 23 (56:43):
And unless you think it's all just kind of silliness,
like in a way, yes it is, you know, really
privileged people clapping each other up onto a stage, talking
for too long, patting themselves on the back. But you know,
you get Oscar nominated or Oscar when I next to
your name, Suddenly you can green light all sorts of pictures,
You can dictate your own career. It really does shape
what Hollywood Hollywood will go on to make for the

(57:03):
next few years to some extent. So does have ramification, Yeah, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
At the other end of the spectrum from the Oscars,
which is sort of you know, the Great Day, the Krem,
the Krem of awards, we have the Razzies.

Speaker 23 (57:18):
Yes, and this is it's kind of a mean spirited awards, right,
it's the worst movies. But I like this when the
people that win awards kind of find themselves choose to
participate in some way. Director Paul Verhoven famously was the
first filmmaker to accept his Razzi for show Girls, a
high watermark in modern cinema culture, of course, and this

(57:40):
year Francis Ford Coppola has won well won do you
win a Razzie? He's scored the Razzi Awarded for Director
and has noted that he's thrilled to accept the Razzie
Award in so many important categories at a time when
so few have the courage to go against the prevailing
trends of contemporary movie making. I chose to not follow

(58:01):
the gutless rules laid down by an industry so terrified
of risk that despite the enormous PAULA young talum at
its disposal may not create pictures that will be relevant
and a live fifty years from now. That all sounds sensible.
He also adds let us remind ourselves that box office
is only about money and like war, stupidity and politics,
has no true place in our future. Just a little

(58:22):
note though, According to Forbes, Megalopolis made eleven point five
million at the box office, but at costs one hundred
and twenty.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Good on him, though, sir, graciously accepting his award and
having a little rent the same.

Speaker 23 (58:34):
Why not get on your soapbox or at least your
Instagram soapbox.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
There we go, Thank you so much, Steve. As we
mentioned there, the Oscars will be live on Disney Plus
twelve thirty pm tomorrow. Danish actor plays bang Is with
me after eleven as well to talk about his new
epic action film, William tal that's coming up shortly. It
is ten thirty News Talks at B.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at B.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
With another very interesting science study for us this week.
I'm joined by doctor Micheldeck and single morning, Good morning.
A very interesting question. Why is it that humans can talk,
but mice can't.

Speaker 20 (59:16):
Yeah, so if I said to you, what noise does
a mouse make? You would say.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Squeak as well, not hang on, what is it? It's
sort of a a high pitched squeally sort of noise.

Speaker 20 (59:25):
Yeah, yeah, we all teach our kids that totally true
in the range that humans can hear. Actually, mice also
communicate in the ultrasonic range, which we can't hear. So
if you do have a pet mouse at home, it
is basically chirping in the ultrasonic range all the time
and we can't hear this is it talking to our
plants which are also there's the whole conversation happening, and

(59:47):
so this is really interesting. So this study wants to
know why is it that humans can speak this beautiful
language that we do with our grammar and an annunciation,
but most all other animals can't do this. Why are
other animals not talking to each other with a complex language.
And so we know that modern humans have a complex
vocal court system, that's one of them. We know we
have developed brains, that's one of them. But this study,

(01:00:09):
which is published in the General Nature and it's actually
open source for Nature, which is unusual. Actually thinks that
they've found the gene. There's a specific gene which is
the reason why we can communicate and other species come.
So this gene is called Nova one, and in humans,
our Nova one gene is a specific variant that is

(01:00:29):
very unusual and is only found in modern humans. So
they took that gene and they basically gene edited it
into mice to see what would happen. So they took
these mice and they had a litter of mice where
they only gene edited half of the litter. So basically
there's a bunch of baby mice in there and only
half of them have this gene, but half from the
other litter don't. And then they did there's really mean

(01:00:51):
thing where they took mummy mouse away from the baby
mouse and they listened to what happened, and obviously all
the baby mice are going. But what they found is
the baby mice who were genetically modified, who were separated
from the mum, squealed totally differently. In this ultrasonic range.
They had much more complex squeals. The range was really different.
So even with this gene, they could see that the

(01:01:12):
whole vocal ability had totally changed. Then they did it
to adult male mice, and their mating core songs were
beautiful and intricate and very very different than standard mice.
So it suggests that this human version of nova one,
this gene is likely to influence our vocal communication. And
so you go, okay, well, is that the key player

(01:01:33):
in the evolution of human speech? Because if it is,
that's a massive discovery. So they went, well, let's figure
this out. So we have some genetic material from ancient
human like species, so Neanderthals for example. So they did
genetic testing of the genome of Neanderthals and found that
they do not have this NOVA one And we sort

(01:01:55):
of think that Neantthals didn't communicate like modern humans can,
like homegosapiens can. And so by being able to look
at some of these ancient species that humans have sort
of evolved from and found that they didn't have that gene,
but this gene was present in all one hundred percent
of the genomes that they tested from modern human sapiens. Interesting,

(01:02:18):
we think that we've actually found the reason why humans
talk and other species don't. No for one gene, who
knew well, apparently we know net.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Well we do know know, So now my mind's whirling going, well,
what if we put it to.

Speaker 25 (01:02:32):
My I'm the same, what if I want to give
indicate my dumb So yeah, I don't don't even go there.
There is okay, but I mean there is a let's
not talk about this, but there's a startup in America
that is starting to genetically modify pets. They're about to
send me glow in the Dark rabbits, and so if
anybody was going to take that on, I think these
guys would take it on. We wouldn't do this here
in New Zealand. But yeah, I think this discovery might

(01:02:53):
lead to maybe your talking cat and dog in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Oh gosh, wouldn't they answer a lot of questions? You know,
they just say boy food, no, no, stop, stop, let
me go big me alone. Yeah that Michelle, thank you
so much.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Right now, there is a new book which has been released.
It's called Processed. I noticed it was released in Australia.
I'm not sure if it's released here yet, and it
talks a lot about the downsides of your processed meats.
You ham, your salami, your sausages, your baking, all those
things that we love and the link to cancer. It
can be very hard keeping up with what we should

(01:03:38):
and shouldn't be eating. So Aerin O'Hara is with us
now with some common sense advice on processed meats. Good morning,
good morning, Good to have you with us. Are all
processed meats bad for us?

Speaker 11 (01:03:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:03:52):
I think that a lot of people know that process
meats not great for us. The amount of high processed
meats that we eat significantly increases several health issues, so
not just cancer but mainly collirect or cancer, but also
the primitive presence of chemicals are carcinogenic but then also
have a huge effect on our heart health as well

(01:04:13):
as increases our risk of type two diabetes, and it
can affect blood pressure as well because generally with processed
meats they usually high in sodium, and so that can
have that effect of affecting heart health as well. So
they're not good for our bodies. It's definitely something we
should be mindful of how much we are eating processed meats.

(01:04:34):
And if you're not sure what process meats are, that
your bacon, your sausages, your hot dogs, your savoloise, canned meats,
lunch and meat, those meats that you get in the
Delhi generally, and most of these meats have been processed
to preserve their life. So it might be processed by smoking, salting, curing,
or adding chemical preservatives into those foods.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
So it's the food and its basic form is fine,
but it's what we do with it to then make
it beautifully tasty. That the issue is coming in process.

Speaker 6 (01:05:07):
Just to make it tasty, but also to make it
so it's preserved is the other big thing. So it
lasts longer because you can leave these sorts of meats
in your fridge for a long time. If you think
how long you can leave your salami or your ham
sitting there. You don't have to eat it within sort
of a couple of days. It usually can last a
lot longer. And that's all those preserving agents. And the
main preserving agents that are harmful for a health in

(01:05:29):
these sorts of processed meats are nitrates and night trites,
which are added to keep them fresher for longer. Also
heterocyclic amines and polycyclic amines which are added through that
when meat is cooked at high temperatures, also the hem pigment,
which is mainly found in red meat, also not great

(01:05:51):
for a health That's where where we don't really want
to be eating too much red meat either, which obviously
we're on this real phase of carnivor diet and eating
lots of meat. So really been mindful of the types
of meats that you're eating, because eating too much processed
meats and red meats have a very different effect than
fish and chicken.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
So what are the links between diets heighd red meat
and processed meats and chronic diseases.

Speaker 6 (01:06:16):
Then there's several studies do and there's lots, lots and
lots and studies you can find linking to disease. The
main one is cancer risk, particularly because these processed meats
are carcergenic, which means carcinogenic chemicals cause cancer. So they're
going to increase your cancer risk, which no one really wants.

(01:06:36):
So just being mindful, particularly how much you shoe eat,
Like are they safe to eat? My question would be
probably not if you are going to eat them, eating
them in small amounts, and be mindful how much you
are eating of them. The first thing is when you're
looking at like reducing your intake of processed meats is
reading the labels and like being mindful of like what

(01:06:59):
are you putting in your mouth? Like when you buy
meat or even at the surf market, before you even
purchase it. Pack up the packet, Read the back of
the packet, looking for words like night rate, night night write,
cured or salted, looking for those sorts of chemicals in it.
When they're chemicals, they're not going to be good for

(01:07:19):
your health. It's very different than when you walk through
sort of the fresh meter aisle and everything hasn't been preserved.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Surely the odd saucy is okay? Right, Barbecue season, all
those fundraisers we try and have about.

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
Well, you can get a variety of different types of
process meats, and that's the thing is they're not all equal.
You can get sausages that have less preserved preserving agents
and are less processed, and you can get a very
processed sausage like your little savoy with the red kind
of wrapping around it, which is sorry, nothing differ in
a cheerio or a savloi. They are not going to

(01:07:56):
make great for you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Haven't haven't had a cheerio for a while, Probably kids party.

Speaker 6 (01:08:04):
But also looking at those label that say cured or
uncured meat, they can still have night trates in or
night writes in them. And even if they say night
trate free meat, that can even trip you up as well,
because you think, oh, that's going to be a good alternative,
but there can still be a small amount of night
rate in there, and night rate converts to night write,

(01:08:27):
which is also not great for your a either and
increases your cancer risk.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Aaron, I know that you know, Keto diets and things
are very popular these days. They often allow you to
eat an awful lot of meat. But you just if
you're on one of those diets, you'd be saying you
want your meat in your purest form as opposed to
getting your processed ones.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
Absolutely, because the carnival diet where they're just adding meat
and maybe a little bit of raw honey or raw
milk is really trending through all social media. Still, yep,
you eat just you basically have meat for all your meals,
and they are usually really really high in red meat.
And that's where I have had some people that I've
seen in the clinic and tried these diets thinking they're

(01:09:07):
going to be a wonder solution and unfortunately sometimes not
always good outcomes. So always like when you're looking at
these extreme diets, really look at what the kind of
balance of the nutrition is. It's all about keeping that balance.
And that's even with your processed meats. Is that we
want to be mindful that we're not having too much
processed meats. And even if you are doing sort of

(01:09:31):
a keto sort of diet or a low carb diet,
kind of swapping out your alternative. So even if you're
getting your chicken and you might be buying a salad
out instead of getting sort of that sort of luncheon
sausage kind of meat in it, get some grilled chicken
or an egg or fish and have it grilled, because
that is going to be a much better alternative then

(01:09:52):
your processed meats that you can have put into those
sorts of foods.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Okay, so have you got any other tips for us
how to reduce our intake of processed meats.

Speaker 6 (01:10:00):
It's like from just not don't buy it, you know,
and also maybe looking at have some meat free meal
and it's not and then it's not swapping to those
alternative or full sort of very processed you know, they
look like meat, but they're not meat kind of alternatives either,
because they're going to not be that great for you.
But it's maybe having some meat free meals where you

(01:10:22):
used to have tofo or maybe some beans and lentils
to getting all those good things that are good for
your gut. So it's all about creating that harmony of
everything balanced together and nothing too much. And so when
you might think, oh, processed meats are easy because you
can just buy them in the delly, throw them in
the school lunches or into your lunch at work, but

(01:10:43):
really take a second thought and go, Okay, maybe actually
this week I'm going to buy an extra couple of
chicken breasts. I'm going to grill them in the oven
and have them in the fridge ready to add into
the sandwiches or add into a salad for lunches. And
I think it's more the convenience factor that really drives
us to these processed meats, and sometimes the taste, but
also looking at that convenience factor of knowing that there

(01:11:05):
are still options that you can swap out and maybe
take you a little bit longer to prepare, but it's
going to be a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Better for your house as always Erin, thank you so
much for joining us this morning. Appreciate it. It is
a thirteen to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Sunday with Style, the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Wiggles for the best selection of great reads.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Us talk and joining us now as our resident chief
Mike vander Alison.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Good morning, Good morning. How are we very good?

Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
I'm very excited you're talking about true today because I'm
too scared to prepare tuna even raw. I think I'm
going to make amuse of it because I just love it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:46):
Yeah, it is delicious, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
It's really delicious, But I'm worried that I'm just going
to make a mess of it. And it's a bit
of a treat, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (01:11:53):
It is?

Speaker 9 (01:11:54):
You know, it's not the cheapest fish out there, but
at the moment, from what I'm not a big game
for shure. I don't go out to sea.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
And yourself for a day at a time.

Speaker 9 (01:12:08):
It terrifies me. So but I know, I know that
the fishing has been amazing, particularly the tuna, So lights
of yellowfant tuna and the and the fishmongers at the moment.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
So if you are going to have it.

Speaker 9 (01:12:21):
Now is your time. And last week we did we
did a fish smoke fire class and I cooked this
recipe for that class and it was just magical. It's
not it's not complicated, it's not difficult, and we just
treat that tuna with as much respect as we can
because it is.

Speaker 11 (01:12:40):
It is.

Speaker 9 (01:12:41):
The less you cook it the better, So that the
biggest thing around tuna is not to overcook it. So
I'm using like a four hundred grand piece of yellophant tuna.
So it's like a slab of tuna. This will feed
you know, six to eight people, will give them a
pretty good sort of little starter or an afternoon luncheon
or you know, it's almost like a finger food. So

(01:13:03):
start by lighting a fire. So we're here at the school.
We have a lingle fire, So it's a wood fires
cooker or grill. If you've got one of those, light
it up, get it hot as hot as you can.
If not, light your barbecue, keep the lid down into
its barcely hot. If you haven't got a barbecue, then
like a pan, you know what I mean, you can

(01:13:24):
cheap by just turning it does make a mess of
your burners, your gas burners. If you've got gas booners inside,
turn them on. Take a wire rat, put the wire
rack over one of the burners, and then you can
put the tuna directly onto that wire rat and that
will kind of give you that intense heat that were after.
So once you've got your your cooking apparatus underway, take

(01:13:45):
your tuna a little bit of more so, just a
little bit sunflower all over it, some flaky salt. Use
flaky salt, because what that does it gives you that
crust on the outside. So when you go to eat
the tuna in a later time, you know, you get
that crunch, you get that crack of that salt. Season
it up and then put it over your flame. So,
you know, depending on the size of your tun it,
like we're talking about like a minute each side, you

(01:14:06):
want to get maximum color and minimal time. Once that's
got a little of color on the outside, pull it off,
set it aside, just let that chill out while we
prep the bedgie. So we've got three tomatoes. Tomatoes are
made at the moment, Just dice those guys up. Cucumber.
What I do with the cucumbers, I don't want that
ruin tense flavor the cucumbers, so you peel it, cut
in half, take the seeds out using a little teaspoon,

(01:14:29):
and then dice that guy up. And then I've got
half a cup of coriander. Chop those up and then
take your tuna, cut that into maybe two centimeter chunks
or cubes, pop them into a bowl along with your tomatoes,
cucumbers and cranda. And then to that we add two
tablespoons of white sesme seeds that have been toasted. This

(01:14:49):
is optional black sesame seeds if you find them. If not,
no drama. Two tablespoons of black sesame seeds, and then
two tablespoons of sawyer, one tablespoon of black vinegar, which
is a Chinese black vinegar easily available at Asian super markets,
and then one tablespoon of sesame seed boil. Give I
had a good mix together, and then what I do
is I serve them in like little cos leabs, and

(01:15:11):
people can just pick up little cod leaves and shove
that into their mouth.

Speaker 18 (01:15:14):
It is so lucious, it sounds divine.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Thank you so much, Mike for taking us through that.
You can find that recipe at Good from Scratch Dot
co dot in z or we'll put it up on
our website today Newstalg zedb dot co dot in z
Ford slash Sunday. It's six to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
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Speaker 11 (01:15:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
I love Klay Spang. He's a Danish actor who's appeared
in Bad Sisters, The Northman and The Square. He can
do anything you did, comedy, drama, action, but he often
plays the baddie.

Speaker 18 (01:15:52):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
He's been in New Zealand. He's been chooting a new
flick actually with Jason Momoa and David Bautista, and we
managed to get some time with him to have a
little talk about his latest film, which hits him is
on Thursday. It's an epic period action film called William Tower,
in which he takes on the heroes role. He is

(01:16:14):
with me next here on News Talks ep.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
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of company, met me at the perfect time you want me.

Speaker 11 (01:16:30):
Away.

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Speaker 11 (01:16:51):
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Speaker 26 (01:16:53):
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I'm still levitated. I'm medicated. Ironic guy gave him love
and now you're in the payton on me. She told
me to love me if she's been waking by your
half or your love. And I'm running there on my
patience needs someone to hug.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
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Speaker 26 (01:17:07):
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threw me up became't nobody start the movement. Let's go
left foot, right foot, levettat Pope start doing leave booted
the baby.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
I had to lay my sue father blessings.

Speaker 26 (01:17:18):
I would say, never I ever slip about into a
better situation. So catch up, go put some cheese on
the get out and gets better. They always leaving your
father if you run together, wait out the world on
myself as I.

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
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Speaker 26 (01:17:28):
Now, baby stand up, because girl, you you got.

Speaker 11 (01:17:31):
Me usky way away.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
I got to It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkins and Wickles for
the best selection of great reeds used talks.

Speaker 11 (01:17:50):
It be.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
You're with the Sunday Session on news Talks. They coming
up this out Jason Pine on the Warriors in Vegas
making is with us from the Mardi Gras in New
Orleans and Joan had a fabulous memoir from the poet Sethier.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Sinclair The Sunday Session.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
Danish actor Clays Bang is best known for TV show
Bad Sisters and films Northman and The Palmdor Winner The Square.
In his latest role, Clay's Heads Back to the fourteenth
century is the legendary Swiss Smarkesman. In the star studded
action epic William Tell, This is about.

Speaker 14 (01:18:32):
Our freedom, our families. I leave the naked trembling before me.

Speaker 11 (01:18:42):
Fight for us.

Speaker 20 (01:18:44):
We will do it us wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Now it begins, who are you well home? Tom?

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
And clays Bang is with me now, thank you so
much for being with us.

Speaker 14 (01:19:03):
Good morning, good morning, and thank you for having me.

Speaker 11 (01:19:06):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
I know that you've done quite a lot of period
work before, but how familiar were you with the fourteenth
century crossbow before working on this film?

Speaker 14 (01:19:16):
Well, with the crossbow, I was not familiar with that
thing at all. But I mean, in terms of the story,
I think I probably knew what a lot of people
know that you know this whole legend of William Tell.
And obviously what people know is that for some odd
reason he shoots an apple off his son's head. But

(01:19:38):
what I came to find was that I did not
actually know how he got himself into that situation. I
will be honest, and this is very embarrassing to admit,
but I perhaps thought that it was part of a
traveling circus where he was like traveling the countryside shooting
an apple off his son's headful money.

Speaker 11 (01:19:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
I'm laughing because I don't know. I have no idea either.
I don't think any of us did it.

Speaker 14 (01:20:06):
You know, is that this there's this guy and he's
he's got a crossbow, and he's got a son, and
the son's got an apple on his head, and now
his shoots it off the sunset. And then it turned
out that it's actually a huge and quite complex story
of this guy being forced to do this in order
to save his son and his wife and himself and

(01:20:27):
his his fellow countryman.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
And then it.

Speaker 14 (01:20:30):
Obviously started to become very very interesting, I thought, because
it's it's sort of like a story of of you know,
these people not wanting to cave and not wanting to
take the knee and sort of you know, throwing out
the aggressors that are trying to take over their country.
And I thought, you know, that that whole dilemma moved

(01:20:51):
into one situation, into one character, and him now now
faced with the choice of do I do I now
go and join the battle or do I still stand
here and do nothing? I thought, well, that was very,
very interesting, and that's obviously when I really, I really
got interested in the project.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
You're absolutely right. It is a much darker tail than
the sort of the romantic legend that we have in
our minds of this man that shoots an apple off
the top of his son's head. And as you mentioned there,
there's so much. There is actually so much going on
in this film. You've got the big picture of the
Swiss who have decided they've had enough of being under
the Austrian sort of oppression, and then you've got all

(01:21:37):
the personal dilemmas that William Tell has to go through.
So ratch a character, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (01:21:47):
That is obviously when I found out that this was
the whole thing of it, that is that's what really
attracted me to it. It is that is exactly what
it is. It's very rich and I thought, you know,
I thought the whole arc and the whole the story
of what he goes through. I mean, we've given him
this backstory where he's in battle in the Crusades, has

(01:22:08):
now abandoned that whole thing, moved into the country's with
his wife and child, and is very very reluctant to
go back into doing anything about anything right. He just
wants his peaceful life. So I don't think it's it's
I think it's both the fact that he knows that
battle will probably take away at least half of the
people he loves, which he sort of says in that

(01:22:32):
scene at the kitchen table. In the kitchen ware he says,
if we go and do this, we will all die.
And everybody is that that's in that scene, apart from himself,
is not there at the end of the movie. So
he loses big time. And and I think one thing
that he's also quite scared of, and I think that's
quite interesting, is that he does not ever want to

(01:22:53):
meet again the guy that he becomes when he puts
himself up for these things. I think that he knows
as a monster in there that he does not want
to unleash, does not want to to to meet that
person ever again, and that that I thought was quite
interesting as well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
I'm going to show my ignorance here. I know that
a lot of the stories that are associated with William
Teller written into folklore, but I don't I don't even
know if he was a real was he a real person?

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:23:26):
We know that that is and that is not that's
not ignorance at all. That is that is true. It's not,
I mean because this is very much like it's it's
set exactly in the same day and age as Braveheart,
and Braveheart is a real story, and and that guy
has a grave. But William Tell is folklore. There is
it is a legend. There is no willheam tell grave.

(01:23:50):
And you don't actually know which bits and bops of
this story are from where it might be that the
whole thing has come together as a legend and is
like different stories that sort of like have have been
woeing into each other. And I think also for this
that I rector and it Cam got really interested in
the whole story, and then he went back to the

(01:24:11):
Schiller play and he's taken a lot of inspiration from that,
and we've taken there's a lot of dialogue that we've
kept from that play, which gives it this sort of
like slightly Shakespearean heightened dialogue that I really feel works
well for the movie. The thing I thought we really
liked about that is it allows for a lot of

(01:24:34):
leeway because it is a legend, and as you just said,
it's not really that romantic, pretty picture. It is a
quite gruesome story. And it doesn't end well either, does it.
It's become quite dark. And I really like that about it.
I really like that we that we never sort of
went for them, went for that very sort of pretty picture,

(01:24:57):
romantic kind of folk hero. It's it's it's it's become
something else. And I think we also felt, you know,
telling a story about an aggressor trying to take over land,
that is someone else's telling that story. In this day
and age, with the conflicts that are happening around the world,
I think we felt the responsibility to not come up

(01:25:21):
with a simplified story. This is an anti war movie.
This is like has history not taught us anything? And
will we never be taught anything from history? Why the
bloody hell do we keep going on about these things
when the outcome is always devastation?

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Did the Swiss mind of Dane playing one of the religions?

Speaker 14 (01:25:46):
I'm not entirely sure. I think we were at the
Zsuric Film Festival with this. I got the impression that
there were people there that would have liked this to
have been a story with actors from Switzerland. Yeah, in
that sense, but I mean the Schiller play, that's a
German guy that wrote that. And I also feel that

(01:26:09):
with these massive legends, I mean, I know that this
takes place in what later on becomes Switzerland, but it's
such a massive European legend. I really really really hope
that they feel that we've done it justice and we've
worked well. But the fact that this is not historical

(01:26:32):
is this is a legend. I think that perhaps allows
a little room and I hope that they can live
with the fact that this is this is a Danish
guy playing their hero and in English.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
You know what I loved about this film is that
these days, so many hero films are superhero films, and
they create fantasy worlds and they use a lot of
cgi and things, and it felt like with this film
it was epic and we got back to more traditional filmmaking.
I mean, the scenery, the locations are a make saying,
you know, the fighting, it all just felt you know

(01:27:11):
like there was some comfort in going back to this.

Speaker 14 (01:27:13):
Kind of form of No, it feels like an old
school kind of movie. It feels like like one of
those big cinema movies from like the fifties or sixties.
It has that kind of and I think it's also
the pace of the storytelling. And but trust me, there
is a lot of CGI in this because we did
not release one single bolt in this movie because that

(01:27:35):
would have been deadly. So all the all the arrows
and balls that you see flying through the air all
the time, they're all CGI. There is a lot of that.
So but I think in that sense the modern day
way of of of of using these digital technologies and

(01:27:57):
in order to but but but it's but it's really
from sort of like it's been used in a in
a quite old fashioned storyteller way.

Speaker 8 (01:28:07):
I feel.

Speaker 14 (01:28:07):
And I'm I'm When I saw it the first time,
I was like, wow, this is very interesting. It feels
like a movie from like way back, like from the
fifties or sixties or seventies. I mean, and I think
I think one review said that they don't make them
like this anymore, Like you know that that thing you

(01:28:28):
always say, and and and I've and I really like
that we that that that it has that feel that
it's gone back to It's gone back to some some
some of the old some of the old ways of
of of going about it. And yeah, that's really.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Cool, I think, Yeah, no, it's fabulous. Is it nice
to play a hero after being so excellent at playing
some pretty smammy, villainous characters. I mean, I just loved
you and bad Sisters and Northman of Christ and I
love the Square quite a different side to you.

Speaker 14 (01:29:04):
Well, I mean this was I'll be honest and say
this was part of the attraction as well, that you
know that I got to take on someone who is
a hero. I mean, I do think that what we
have here is sort of a probably a flawed hero
or still not like it's not like a hero in

(01:29:25):
like the superhero kind of movies. But but I mean,
at least it seems that this guy's moral compass is
like in the right place. And yes, it was. It
was kind of good because I was starting to worry
that I would and I've sort of boxed myself into
a corner where I was only ever playing like the

(01:29:48):
really nasty ones. So yeah, that was part of the
attraction of it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Clay, so lovely to talk to you today. Thank you
so much for your time. That was Danish Ector Clasping.
The film we've been talking about is his new action
epic William Tell and it is in cinemas now is
nineteen past eleven. You're with News Talks VB.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Keep it simple.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
It's Sunday, the Sunday Session with Francesca, Rudka and Wiggles
for the best selection of graverys.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
News Talks eNB.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
And before we tear into the panel, antics to say,
spoiler alert, Francisca, you could have done a spoiler alert there,
and yes, I do apologize for that, but can I
just tell you there's a lot more to it. That
wasn't a huge spoiler alert. There's a lot more characters
and a lot more to it, I promise you. But yeah,
I apologize for that, and thank you for the text.
Time for the panel now, and I'm joined by Coast

(01:30:39):
Day host and host of the travel podcast Trip Notes,
Laura Riley. Good morning, Laura, good morning, Good to have
you with us and Senor Pire consultant at one plus
one Communications, Damien Venuto, Good to.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Talk to you.

Speaker 18 (01:30:51):
Damien.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
Good morning, right, Let's start with Trump Zelenski, the meeting
in the Oval Office, which took everybody a little bit
by surprise, and then there's been quite a large fallout
after this Laurna. I really wondered whether this was a
good move for the Ukrainian president, considering the things that

(01:31:15):
had been said, considering the tone that he was hearing
from President Trump as to whether he should have actually
made this visit, and then says the question of how
he has he has responded to the way he's been
spoken to. At the end of the day, we all
just want an outcome here, and I feel like we've
gone backwards an awful lot.

Speaker 7 (01:31:35):
Your thoughts possibly, but I mean it's fair to say
we've mostly only seen the last five minutes of what
was a forty to forty five minute meeting. I've watched
the whole thing, and about forty minutes was absolutely fine.
It was actually we talk about Trump and Zelenski, but
it was actually jdie Vance that really changed the tenor
of the whole conversation. I actually think Zelensky acted entirely appropriately.

(01:32:00):
I mean, he just reminded people that Putin have broken promises.
How could he practice diplomacy in these situations. And then
basically it was a pylon, the pointing of fingers from
both Trump and and Vance saying you need us. You
haven't even said thank you, You're not dressed properly. Basically
put Zelensky in the in the position of a wayward
teenager who wasn't allowed to get a word in edge ways.

(01:32:23):
And it's interesting to see that, you know, Europe has
sort of solidified support behind Zolensky. Our own leader and
Albanesi as well have have also said that we stand
unequivocally beside Violentsky. I don't know that I'd agree that
he's done himself no favors. I think turning up in
his combat year very church release, he's just reminding everyone

(01:32:46):
that they are still a country at war. You don't
turn up on a flash suit when your people are dying.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Damian for the sake of getting out of this alive
and getting out of this with a deal and getting
out getting out of this, you know, on site, having
having President Trump and his vice president on side, should
have Zelensky just sat there and taken it.

Speaker 27 (01:33:06):
I think, for I think Zelenski knows more than anyone
else in the world right right now, what it takes
to stand up to autocrats, what it takes to stand
up to bullies, if they're representing his country. He has
been representing his country for the last three years. When
when I watched those last five minutes, because like Lorna,
also watched a lot of the interview, and there was

(01:33:27):
a pretty decent exchange in for those last five minutes.
But to have these two men who don't have that
first hand combat experience, who haven't hunkered in a bunker
while they're they're their countries are being bombed, to breat
a man who is defending his country to the extent
that his country may not exist if he loses this war,
I felt it was deeply disappointing. It was a betrayal

(01:33:49):
of everything that has made the United States great over
the last eighty years. Because let's remember, when World War
Two happened, the US chose to stand against autocrats. Here's
another opportunity for the United States to a stand against
autocrats and or an autocrat, and it seems to be
fighting with that autocrat, and I just I don't understand it.

(01:34:11):
Because Trump wants disagreement to be made on Putin's terms,
and Valenski says, we can't do that because it fundamentally
undermines what we've been fighting.

Speaker 8 (01:34:21):
For over the last three years.

Speaker 27 (01:34:22):
So I found it all very, very disappointing.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
No, it was really interesting, as you say, you know,
he managed to It was a pretty civil conversation up
to that very end. But there where where Vance sort
of made the comment, didn't eve Laurna about you know,
you should be more, you should be dealing with this diplomatically,
thank you and oh no, look that part just took
my head and I felt like I felt like I
was you know, it was me talking to a teen

(01:34:48):
year old.

Speaker 14 (01:34:48):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 26 (01:34:51):
Was.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Yeah, And we have heard him say it. If you've
ever heard him speak, it's he says it constantly. He
is constantly thinking the American people. But it was just
the comment about diplomacy and you know, you need to
use some diplomacy here, and you could see that that's
sort of when Zelenski shifted in his seat, And then
of course the performance after that was anything but about diplomacy.

(01:35:11):
It did feel like, okay, let's crow a little show
here for headlines and remind everybody who's bosson who holds
all the cards?

Speaker 7 (01:35:19):
It's interesting when you look around the world's media that
really the only people who are quite gleeful about that
how the meeting ended with the Russians, which probably says
it all. But I did like this quote from Stephen King,
who seems to be hanging around Twitter slash x even
though he's not really wanted there, who said a man
who adheres to his principles will always be incomprehensible to

(01:35:40):
people who don't have any which I thought was an
interesting take on the whole thing. I mean at President Trump.
Let's not forget last week he wrongly accused the Ukraine
of starting the war before he called Zelenski dictator, which
he later said, Did I say that?

Speaker 9 (01:35:54):
Oh, I can't believe I said that.

Speaker 7 (01:35:56):
So, you know, he's kind of bob each way depending
on who he's talking to. But yeah, I felt it
was an opportunity to humiliate Zelensky and try and take
away some of his say in America coming in and
being the big heroes and broker in peace. But yeah,
I don't think they have advanced that cause at all.

Speaker 11 (01:36:17):
Damien.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
The government has agreed to review the legal aid system.
Are they're saying it's in order to prioritize victims their
access to justice. They want to sustainable, you know, and
efficient service. I spoke to Fraser bart And, the president
of the Law Society this morning. He said, look, it
is a bit of a mess. We do need to
look at this, We do need to review it. It
can reflect what is happening in the courts. There's a

(01:36:38):
high demand for it. That is very much the case.
Would you be concerned though, that we are looking at
this as a cost cutting exercise, a way to save
some money, as opposed to create a more effective system.

Speaker 27 (01:36:53):
I really hope that any reforms that we do have
do anything by cut costs, because the system needs reform
in order to make it more accessible, to give people
who currently don't have access to legal aid access to
legal aid. Because the big problem right now is that
if you're worried about people who are receiving unfair circumstances

(01:37:16):
in the courtroom, it often comes down to access. So
the current threshold to gain access to illegal aid aid
lawyers so low that a lot of people on very
low incomes as it is, don't even get access to
those legal aid lawyers, or even worse, sometimes they have
to pay the thieves later. So I hope that any

(01:37:36):
reforms that do happen ensure that we do think about
justice here, we do think about the fact that you
often have a huge financial disparity between people who are
in court, So you have those who can afford really
good lawyers and those who can't even get into a
position where they get a legal aid lawyer. So there's

(01:37:56):
a huge disparity here in terms of legal representation in
New Zealand. So I really really hope that any reforms
that do come through focus on providing access to more people,
because you're One example that came up when I was
working in journalism quite often was that you'd have in
in parental battles between parents on the one partner would

(01:38:21):
often have a lot more money and they'd be able
to squeeze the other partner to the extent that they
just couldn't fight anymore. And that's not justice. That just
means that one person has more financial resources than the
other and to have that level of financial control over
another person, that's just unfair. And you also have the
organizations and corporates who also do that. So I just

(01:38:41):
hope that the reforms think about the victims and justice
really because Lorna, we've.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Already seen the government removed legal aid fundings for the
Section twenty seven reports, the cultural and Background reports, and
I wonder whether that will expand to other specialist reports.

Speaker 7 (01:38:57):
Yeah, in terms of more hunting, I mean, I did
notice that great word efficiency in the press release, and
to me, that means cutting costs, sustainability, the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:39:09):
I also saw.

Speaker 7 (01:39:10):
The headline was you know, we're going to give victims
greater access to justice. Well that's fine, but you also
need to ensure the rights of accues to fair representation
as well. I note too that we're not going to
get the recommendations for over a year. Probably we'll see
no change before the next election. So whether the change
is a good or bad, it's going to be the
next government's problem to have to.

Speaker 18 (01:39:31):
Deal with.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
To do this review and sort this out.

Speaker 7 (01:39:35):
And it has been almost seven years since they've reviewed it,
so it makes sense to review it. But you know,
more people are reliant on this legal aid in the recession,
it makes sense that there's going to be increased demand.
But yeah, when I saw the words efficiency and sustainability,
my blood weren cold a little.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Okay, here's a question for the two of you. Could
you see the money the dive bomb becoming seen as
a national sport?

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
Dam it?

Speaker 27 (01:40:02):
I'd love it like it's it's fantastic, it's good fun.
When you saw those families are there just having a
good time, you saw everyone doing their best. I absolutely
love it. So the more exposure it gets, the better.

Speaker 7 (01:40:13):
I'm thinking, too small, franchhise, You're too small.

Speaker 17 (01:40:16):
Why have it as.

Speaker 13 (01:40:17):
A national sport.

Speaker 7 (01:40:18):
Why don't we go the American route, you know with
their Baseball World Champs and we can have the Manu
World Champs. And if we're the only ones that take part,
who cares.

Speaker 15 (01:40:27):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
It has been reported in the Guardian and things people
do seem too quite fascinated.

Speaker 11 (01:40:31):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
I'm talking about the we had the the z Manu
Grand Finals and our Sports and Recreational Minister Mark Mitchell
dive bombed fully clothed into Auckland's He's not just.

Speaker 7 (01:40:45):
A minister, he's a cool minister.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
But here's the thing, right, here's the thing. This is
what I reckon happened. I don't know because he's got
his suit pants, he's taking his shoes off, and hopeful
he's watch and taking his out of his pocket. But
he was in a suit pants and his shirt, you know,
his drenched shirt. And I think this is what happens
to most of us when you're standing watching other people
jump off.

Speaker 9 (01:41:06):
Starf did want to be out of it.

Speaker 18 (01:41:08):
You just want to be kind of it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
And I reckon, I don't know, I'm keen to hear
what you thought of his style. I think he took
quite an old fashioned approach to it, but probably quite effective.
But I reckon he just went down it a man.

Speaker 7 (01:41:19):
I'm going as someone who was particularly uncoordinated and would
probably just belly flop into the water. I thought his
style was fantastic. We had you know, one of his
police officers last week since in Khu he did it.
His was a bit sort of more free style, but
I actually thought it was a pretty decent man who
I thought, good on him for giving it a go.
And you know, if we believe the organizers, it was

(01:41:40):
all complete, a complete surprise. He just sort of turned up,
as you say, whipped the shoes off, and then he
went so yeah, pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
Damien, how do you write the.

Speaker 6 (01:41:50):
Style?

Speaker 27 (01:41:52):
I thought he did a great job. The only the
only thing that I kind of gave me a little
pause for concern was because of that suit and like
diving into I was like, if you don't want your
suit managers given to me.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
I'll take it. I thought about the dry cleaning bill
because there's been a few issues about some of the
minister's dry cleaning bills this week, and I did think
to myself, well that we'll be clocking that up again.

Speaker 18 (01:42:16):
Lona Riley and.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Damian Venuto, thank you so much for your time today.
It is twenty six to twelve year with the Sunday session.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at b.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
Jason Pine is coming up at midday with Weekend Sport
and he's with me in the studio. Good morning, Good morning.
I'm going to be really honest with you. When I
heard that the worries we're heading back to Vegas, I
thought to myself, this is sort of worth it. Is
it a good use of money? I know it logistically
a really hard thing to do. Are you ever really

(01:42:52):
going to break the American audience? And one of our
sports reporters this morning said, look, here's the thing. America
is so big and the sports sort of audience is
so massive you actually only need to attract a really
small amount to have an impact.

Speaker 18 (01:43:07):
It's a good point, you know, for.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
You to actually for people to become more aware about
the sport, interested in the sport, potentially follow it from
afar by some merch awesome.

Speaker 18 (01:43:17):
To all that stuff done. Yeah, all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
And then I spoke to Cameron George this morning and
he just sounds like it's such a blast. I thought, oh, yeah,
good on you, good on your head to Vegas every year.

Speaker 28 (01:43:27):
Boys, Well, I think you know what they've done for
the club is allowed, you know, by the sounds of it,
large section of the club's water base to go over
there and have the trip of a lifetime. You know,
you think about, okay, I'll go and watch the Warriors
play a game. And you think, okay, well i'll go
trans Tasman. You don't think I'm going trans atlantic, if
that's even the right phrase. But you don't think you're
going to Vegas. But there are as I understand it,

(01:43:48):
and I think I heard Cameron George say it. There
are so many Warriors jerseys along the strip in Las Vegas.
What have we now about a hour and twenty minutes
away from kick off at the amazing Allegiance Stadium, which
looks I mean fifty yeah, worth the trip alone just
to have a look at that place. Look, I I
think you know you're right about the American market. Nobody

(01:44:09):
expects rugby league to take over from basketball or baseball
or NFL or I sooker anything of those. But going
there and making an event out of it, I just
love the innovation. There'll be a lot of eyeballs on
it back here. And you know, the NRL know that
they're in a crowded sporting market with Osier Rul's about
to get underway again, Super rugby is on, we got
the A League and all sorts of other bits and pieces,

(01:44:29):
so they're just doing something a bit different. And I
don't think anybody who has gone to Vegas as part
of the Warriors club or part of the Warriors fan
base all back and say you know.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
What, I wish I could have been going down to
Penrod exactly right.

Speaker 18 (01:44:41):
That's exactly it. That's exactly it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
Although to be fair to the crowds down there, that
is an amazing experience. Okay, how arey going to go
against the Canberra Raiders.

Speaker 28 (01:44:48):
You think, well, their favorite. That's a tab phrase that
I'm using there, or that's the metric I'm using. They
are favorite. The Raiders have been, you know, in the
off season, not one of the teams that sort of
perked everybody up as they could be a decent side.
So look, I think the Warriors a favorite. They are
a very different side from last year, having lost the
life of Sean Johnson, Aden Vanua, Blake Tohuo Harris and others.

Speaker 18 (01:45:09):
But James Fisher Harris is in there leading as one
of the co captains.

Speaker 28 (01:45:13):
I think they'll win the game, but you know it's
it's one game in a long season. See the problem
for the Warriors players, See if you go to Vegas
and you have to actually work.

Speaker 18 (01:45:25):
I've mean, man, it's like the Gold Coast. We did
discuss that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
This sounds like they're very much aware of the attraction
of the of the location. Yesterday, really tight game between
Auckland FC and Adelaide, very exciting.

Speaker 28 (01:45:39):
Oh for all, you don't get four all in a
football game very often, particularly with Auckland. They've been the
best defensive team all Yes, if you said to them,
are you going to let four goals and they'd say,
what what do you mean when no, we're not, But
they did. They scored four at the other end. Another
thrilling game, huge crowd, great occasion. We've talked about it
a lot, Francisca. You know, they've just readly done a
great job of engaging their fan base here in Auckland.
I loved being there a circus at one end of

(01:46:02):
Fairest Wheel. They had those tea cups that you know
you go around in popcorn hot dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
I thought we put one of our reporters, Bonnie up
in a.

Speaker 18 (01:46:09):
Fairy spell for the show.

Speaker 6 (01:46:11):
We did.

Speaker 28 (01:46:11):
Yeah, no, she's I think she's going to write an
article for the Herald. She had She had different people
come on and off with her as she watched the
game in a in a round and round fashion.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Yeah, there we go, hey, very quickly, what he got
on the show.

Speaker 28 (01:46:22):
We're going to Vegas after one, after midday, just one.
We're all over the place with fans, supporters, players, sponsors.
But there is a couple who renewed their vows over there,
and he was wearing a warrior's tuxedo.

Speaker 18 (01:46:36):
I've seen the photo.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
I just assume he had this made. They don't sell no, don't.

Speaker 28 (01:46:40):
Sell them, no, no, no, he had especially made and
they got married twenty years ago, renewed their vows in
Vegas five years into their marriage. Fifteen years later on
their twentieth winning anniversary. It fits in nicely. They're there
with their two boys, they renewed their vows and of
course it was Elvis who renewed the vows for them
in Vegas, so going to chat to them. There's heaps

(01:47:01):
of Warriors content between twelve and one, a bit of
Super Rugby, cricket and other things after that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
Oh, I guess, and finally the Blue last night.

Speaker 18 (01:47:07):
Yeah, I finally gotta win. Yeah, I guess my Hurricanes,
thanks friends. Yeah, I didn't think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
I was just hugely relieved.

Speaker 18 (01:47:14):
I think they were.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
But it was also a tough game.

Speaker 28 (01:47:16):
Yeah, thirty three twenty nine, they were twenty nine, twenty
one behind it think it was. Yeah, good to see
the Blues on the board of these New Zealand Derby's
and actually Super Rugby is so exciting to watch at
the moment. It doesn't matter who's playing, but yeah, the
Blues will be happy to be on the board.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Lovely Jason Pine with you at midday on weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
For Sunday Session Full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by
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Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
We are heading to Marti Grass in New Orleans. Meghan
Singleton is with us.

Speaker 27 (01:47:50):
Good morning, Good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 17 (01:47:54):
Yes, from New Orleans where it's crazy Mardi Grass season.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
So what's going on? What's taking place?

Speaker 17 (01:48:01):
Okay? So asking here for three days now. And what
I didn't realize is that Mardi Out runs for a
week and finishes on Tuesday, so they call that Fat Tuesday.
It's all tied up with the Christian calendar, so it
starts twelve days after Christmas, and we lead up to
this whole period before Lent, and on Wednesday, supposedly Lent starts.

(01:48:22):
So what we've got is this celebration that started, you know,
like years and years and years ago. So anyway, there's
seventy odd parades that are jammed into these five days,
and I'm here to get amongst it. In fact, I've
just gotten myself down off one of the balconies on
Bourbon Street because it was so loud. I was going

(01:48:42):
to talk to you from there, and I just thought
neither of us would hear each other. And I've been
throwing beads to people down on Bourbon Street and then
I went down and I got beads thrown at me.
So everyone's dressed up to the nines, sequins for Africa,
beads everywhere, and it's not it's quite family friendly. I mean,
I know what everyone's thinking. Oh, yes, we've heard it

(01:49:04):
all before. But the parades, the floats and the marching
bands all actually goes through the Garden District and the
Uptown area. So we set off last night and we
walked out before the parade started past all the families
and kids are playing football on the road while they're waiting.
The parents have got chairs that have been lined up
all day, and some parents have built ladders and they've

(01:49:25):
put a box on top of the kids will sit
on there. And it was just so much fun and
everyone is just so excited to catch the merch that
gets thrown off these slopes.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
Megan, So why are people throwing beads at you?

Speaker 17 (01:49:40):
Because that's what they do here. That is what Marty
graves about. The beads, the necklaces and everyone's wearing beads.
Some of them are the size of ball balls, like
even like some of them are size of footballs around
your neck or bitter than tennis balls around your neck,
all in plastic, the amount of crap on the ground,

(01:50:00):
the plastic that's everywhere. But they have these sanitation teams
that come through even picking all the beads off the
trees that are strung there all night and tidy everything
up and on we go again the next day. And
I'm told there's a whole recycling plan which I'm going
to find out about, and I think I'll write about
that for sure, because there's a lot of rubbish.

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
I was just thinking about our acc The bigung might
be having a hym over that all those little round
beads that you could stand on and go for flying.

Speaker 17 (01:50:30):
You absolutely, And you can walk with your beers these
down Bourbon streets.

Speaker 15 (01:50:34):
It's all legal to.

Speaker 17 (01:50:35):
Walk with drinks. So it's yeah, it's totally osh not friendly.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
So Megan, you've got all these different parades, as you say,
you can walk around and watch them. Are they all
different or are the same set of people just doing
the parades in different places?

Speaker 17 (01:50:50):
No, they're all different. And each one has a different cruise,
so krewe started from oldie worldy English. And I will
be riding on one of the floats on Monday, your Tuesday.
I am on the Orfiut float wearing a costume that
I have to pick up tomorrow and it's full polyester,
so yay for that. And I've got to wear a mask,

(01:51:13):
never to take it off even when we end up
at the soiree at the end of the night, and
I will be throwing apparently tambourines, not just dead there's
toys and cups and everything throw.

Speaker 11 (01:51:25):
We could have it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
We could have an international incident here as New Zealands
throws a tamburine in a child's head or something. Megan, look,
you have got to get someone to video this for
us so we can we can all take a look
at this next week.

Speaker 17 (01:51:37):
I shall. Indeed, I have my husband here who will
act as videographer for you.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
Now are you having Are you able to enjoy so
many people, so much happening? Are you able to still
enjoy the food and everything else that the region has
to offer.

Speaker 17 (01:51:50):
We're just doing that just on the run, you know,
like Dumbo. We actually went to a beautiful restaurant last
night called Commander's Palace, and that is famous.

Speaker 8 (01:51:58):
For turtle suits.

Speaker 17 (01:52:00):
Real yep, real turtles, and the guy demonizes the turtle.
For me, Tommy is the nasty snapping turtles. They do
breed them for their meat. And I had turtle soup
and it was really It's just I love it.

Speaker 9 (01:52:12):
This is my ninth visit to New Orleans.

Speaker 17 (01:52:14):
So but I've never been to Mardi Gras, and this
is quite something. If you're on any kind of spectrum,
it's difficult and I think I am okay, all.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Right, Meghan, I can't wait to hear more about this
next week. You're going to have to share a little
bit more about it. We'd love to hear about the float,
of course, and I'm sure you've got a lot more
tips about the region as well. Keep an eye on
Meghan's blog, Blogger at large dot com shall be filling
us in on this trip. It is ten to twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
Books with Wiggles for the best Election of great Reads.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
Joan Mackenzie joins me now to talk books. Good morning. Hello.
I'm really pleased that you're going to talk about Jake
Bailey's book The Comeback Code. This morning. We had Jake
on the show a couple of weeks ago, and I
had a huge response to his interview. You know, he's
twenty seven, he's articulate, he has life experience and a
huge amount of learnt experience, you know, and knowledge about

(01:53:11):
what he talks about, which is resilience. And you know,
this book kind of fell into my lap as my
first child was heading off to university. Lots of his
friends were going, everybody was coping with it differently, and
I felt like going, I just want to hand out
this book to every cat and go everything's going to
be okay, just read this.

Speaker 8 (01:53:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:53:32):
I think that's absolutely right. As you say, he has
been thinking deeply about adversity, particularly as it affects young people,
and what tools they can be given to help them
to get through tough times. And like you, I think
this is a really important book because I think it
speaks to a group of people who don't easily find

(01:53:52):
the written tools to help them through things. There's a
lot out on the market, and a lot of it
is aimed at older people, but he speaks their language
and he writes in a way that is easy to
read and easy to understand.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
I still got a lot out of it, you know,
Like for me, it was kind of I'm like, okay,
kind of knew that, but actually that's a really good reminder.

Speaker 14 (01:54:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:54:09):
So he's developed something which he's called the four S model,
which I think you know about, which is all about
slowing down, salvaging the good from the bad, streamlining things,
and standing alongside, which is about calling on your family
and your friends and your community when you need them,
and knowing how to go about that. And he devotes
a chapter to each one, explaining them with encouraging ideas

(01:54:31):
of ways to manage your thought processes even in the
most dire of circumstances. And he is perfectly entitled to
do this because he's been there.

Speaker 14 (01:54:41):
A lot of it.

Speaker 24 (01:54:41):
I will say, I think is common sense. But when
you're faced with something so difficult or perhaps so terrible,
common sense can be the first thing laise out the window.
And if you can take this book and use it
as a reference point at times like that, that will
be worth its weight in gold.

Speaker 6 (01:54:57):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
I completely agree, Sophia Sinclair. Oh, I said that correctly.

Speaker 24 (01:55:04):
I call it, Sophia, But I'm not there, Okay, Sophia Sinclair.
The book is called How to Say Babylon, and I
loved it. I'll start by saying, if anybody's listening who
read the book Educated by Tara Westover, then I think
that you would love this one. It's about young Sophia
who grew up in Jamaica as the child of a

(01:55:24):
radical Rastafarian. Now, I'd always had this idea in my
head that Jamaica was full of Rastafarians, and you know,
that's what they were all about. But actually that's not
the case at all. Most of the people on the
island didn't like the Rastafarians, and so.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
They really wonderful generalization there.

Speaker 24 (01:55:39):
So there really were a thing apart. And her father
was obsessed with the fact that he needed to keep
his two daughters away from the unclean world, which he
referred to as Babylon, which is where the title comes from.
And he was brutal and difficult. She had a very
difficult childhood in the same way that Tara Westover did.

(01:56:00):
And this is a book about a young woman with
the soul of a poet, and all she wanted to
be was to become at and she did. She's now
a highly acclaimed poet in America and she found eventually
the voice and the courage to stand up to her father,
and I cannot imagine how difficult that must have been.
And she's gone on now to forge this new life

(01:56:20):
for herself. But it's an astonishing story and very well written.

Speaker 14 (01:56:24):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Thank you so much for being with me today. Thank
you for Mary for producing. Jason Pine is up next
with Weekend Sport. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.

Speaker 24 (01:56:42):
I'm just a lute, shouldn't be with Yes, guess some
quest for you about the drink.

Speaker 11 (01:56:50):
I'm just a thinkimbo.

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
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