Full Show Podcast: 13 April 2025

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morning ninety two ninety two the Sunday session, eight past nine.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Have I got an idea for Netflix? Although I'm unlikely
the first to have it? The shock announcement late this
week that Peter Berling and Team New Zealand were parting
ways made me wish Netflix would take us inside the
world of match racing and the America's Cup. It's got
everything It's made if one such a hit. It's got
big money, big personalities, big egos, big competition with a

(02:15):
solid dose of life threatening risk thrown in. I mean,
who wouldn't watch it? You would, right, I don't really
give a flying hote where whether the America's Cup comes
back to New Zealand, and I don't think a lot
of keywis do, even if they have cherished memories of
past Cups. I think we all now understand the nature
of the sport. It's driven by a wealthy few and

(02:38):
paid for by aspirational brands, will do whatever it needs
to thrive as an event. It doesn't stop us getting
behind the sailors and the incredible design teams when racing begins,
but we don't feel attached in the same way we
once were. But back to my point, it would make
for great TV. There's always some kind of potential blow
up lurking near the running of the America's Cup and

(03:00):
Team New Zealand location negotiations, rivalries and disputes and fascinating
characters all over it. In January, Skippers have been Ainsley
and Ineos chief Jim Ratcliffe suddenly split, and in the
last couple of days, Eneos Britannia announced it would be
abandoning its challenge for the next America's Cup after failing
to reach a settlement with Ainsley's team. Can't you just

(03:24):
see Jimmy Spittle being the resident expert talking us through
it all? What good fun. The parting of Peter Berling
and Team New Zealand is probably as simple as it sounds.
This is what Team New Zealand chief executive Grant Dalton
told run Bridge on Drive on Friday when he asked
what happened, Well, we just.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Ran out a time basically women talking since Barcelona and
need certainty pet out an offer in front of him
from us, and honestly we never really got to the
point of rejecting or either way on the offer.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
I ended up pulling the offer because we.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Just couldn't get going.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
And yeah, it's a sad day, but Teams one hundred
and twenty people, we're on an America's cart where you
completely uncharted territory final won up for the fourth time
and we've got to get going.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Who knows if Berlin was aware of the time constraints
on him to make a decision. Dalton says money and
time were issues. Berlin is apparently surprised it's come to this,
but they both claim to be parting on good terms
and I believe it. Berlin stepped up when he was
twenty six with a bunch of cyclists and his trusty
sidekick Blairchuk to win the America's Cup in Bermuda. He
then went on to defend it twice more. It's an

(04:33):
incredible record for such a young athlete, and it's no
surprise that in between the America's Cup cycle he's gone
on to lead the Blackfoils Sale GP team and set
up an environmental charity. I really do wish him well,
but once again, isn't it fascinating to watch a team
do whatever they have to do to win. If you
hate a participation certificate, you'll love the cutthroat nature of

(04:55):
the America's Cup, just like we do with F one,
except when it comes to Liam Nawson, of course, the
Sunday session that you It wouldn't you if Netflix went
behind the America's Cap and brought it to us just
like they have the F one. I actually think it
will probably be more interesting than the racing. My impression

(05:16):
of the sport is we only ever get a minimal
amount of information about what is really going on. That's
why I want to go behind the scenes anyway, A
sporting question for you as well, Peter Berling, are you
concerned that he is no longer part of the team.
Keen to hear your thoughts, you can text on ninety
two ninety two. Next, what's going on with the Irisa
in New Zealand? Twelve past nine.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
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Speaker 3 (05:50):
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be talking all about it after eleven with the Ossie
actress who plays Serena.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
It has been a big week for the Royal New
Zealand RSA. The government is set to introduce legislation that
will formally recognize more former defense personnel as veterans. It's
expected around one hundred thousand people will be included. And
just yesterday one hundred and eighty two RSA clubs voted
to decide the future of one hundred and eight year
old organization. A new constitution has been approved for the RSA,

(06:29):
aimed at modernizing and centralizing power, but dozens of clubs
threatened to leave if the constitution is passed, with the
worry that the change would undermine the fundamental grassroots foundation.
Chair of the RSA, Res Jones, joins me, Now, thanks
for your time this morning, race Hey, talk me through
the new constitution. What prompted the need for change.

Speaker 7 (06:51):
This was driven by the Incorporated Societies Act, which is
trying to resolve for a number of issues across the
incorporated society centers. I suppose professionalism of management complement their skills,
but also most incorborate societies are quite divided and there's
a lot of conflict inside it. And so there's also
a requirement to include in constitutions two aspects, one about

(07:15):
the eligibility of people of offsholders and have a complaint facility.
The Act then says these have to be in new constitutions.
So we are requiring everyone to reregister with the new
constitutions by April next year. So this was part of
our process of incorporating those in the acts. We took
the opportunity to tidy up some of the inconsistencies in

(07:37):
the Constitution as well. I do take a bit of
opposition to you. You're according it a centralization. It isn't.
It's a refocus. Its refocusing on veterans, and it allows
us to, I suppose, widen out the reach of the
RSA to those people who are not in contact with

(07:58):
us at the moment. And as you're probably aware, for
other things, there are huge amounts of veterans who have
decided not to be in contact with the RSA because
we're not really relevant to them. So this allows us
to widen that reach, to adopt different ways of approaching
that and support veterans who know you haven't in the
past reached out to.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Us, and so why don't they feel it's relevant to them.

Speaker 7 (08:23):
That's the things that we're grappling with, and I suppose
for a large part it's because the RSA model has
been set up really from the from the World War One,
World War II Korean era, which was about how do
you how do you maintain contact with people? And the
RSA is there to make sure that people are in
contact with each other, that we take care of each other,

(08:44):
that if someone is struggling either with psychological issues or
with physical injuries that we can support them, we can
show we can help them get the support they need.
That in the past has been focused around clubs where
physically they can meet and you know that culture of
the RSA where people go to whereas modern veterans don't

(09:08):
really want to connect in that way. They would rather
connect in ways that's more actors, motorcycle clubs, the Memorial
Army where they go around refurbishing graystones, things like that.
So we actually need to widen it out, but we're
also my first in view, I'm also not worried if
people don't join the USA as long as they know

(09:30):
that they can contact us when they need help. And
that's why it's just maintaining contact, maintaining awareness and providing
different things that a lot of rusays have already adapted,
just being a contact center or a drop and center
where our support officers can be there available when people
need them. So we're just trying to fully modernize and
go there, go online, far more presence and that all

(09:51):
those kinds of things we're trying to achieve.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Soze, how do you respond to those clubs that are
saying these changes? You know they're not approving of these
these these changes.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
The RFA has always been a divided organization, and every
kind of generation of veterans feels that the next generation
hasn't really been that's not really a war or done,
not really the same kind of veterans as we are.
So it's always been divided, and so that the current conflict,
I think is not just about the Constitution. It's the

(10:26):
bone that they're arguing with at the moment. So it
really is up to us now to actually prove the
value of where we're going work with them. We don't
want people to leave, but if they feel they need to,
that's their issue. They'll be welcoming back if they ever
changed their mind. So it's up to us now to
prove the path that we're going on, there's room for them,

(10:47):
there's room for the new people in here, and that
we're willing to listen to everyone's needs as we go on.
So yeah, it's less about the Constitution the more around
just the grumpiness of people not wanting to I suppose
have that it's not contruct commandc central command of control,
but it's for governance over it. Because there are tens

(11:09):
of millions of dollars worth of funding around the RSA
that this needs to be that proper governance, proper eligibility
of people in here and not it's not a social club,
which often it's been run over the last seventy years.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
In a similar way, if if you had a rebel
RSA that decided they wanted to leave, they would still
exist in under a different name, I presume, would you
try to re establish the RSA and that community.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
Well, that would that would depend on what the new
club is doing. We would certainly need to be available
to veterans who need to reach to us in those communities,
and that's the important thing. It's not about that club.
It's about what the RSA can do to help the veterans.
So would we kind of then set up another building

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and with an RSA brand and the probably not, And
particularly if the IRSA that's left us is providing support veterans,
we would want to provide support to them, so the
cutoffs wouldn't be from our end. It would be then
not one to associate with it because it's all about veterans.
It's not about the clubs. It's about the veterans and

(12:20):
their support.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Recent other news this week, the government are looking to
expand the legal consideration of who was a veteran. Are
you pleased with this move?

Speaker 7 (12:30):
Yes, although it doesn't meet every issue that veterans are
facing today. But I think the best thing is it's
a vessel for conversation where the issues can be further analyzed,
where we can create a dialogue with Parliament over what

(12:51):
is the path that we want to go. But more important,
I think it's stimulated the awareness in the country, or
it will stimulate the awareness in the country that veterans
are not the people with their names and only the
people with the names on the side of them memorial
and we have anzectated to commemorate those who have died
in the service of the country, but there hasn't really

(13:12):
been anything to commemorate or bring out of the shadows
those veterans who are still alive. Many of them are
still scarred by their experiences in the military and by conflict,
but who are in communities now have been invisible. So yeah,
it's a great step forward, but it's one step in
a journey that there's still a long way to go.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Oh look, Race, I really appreciate your time this morning.
Thank you so much for talking us through that that
was chair of the RSA Rees Jones the Sunday session.
As we entered the school holidays, those who were traveling
are being warned of the high risk of measles. Cases
of measles arising rapidly overseas, with substantial outbreaks and popular

(13:54):
destinations like Vietnam, Thailand and India. So far this year,
the United States has more has had more than six
hundred nine cases, and Canada has had eight hundred. Australia
has recorded fifty four measle cases over three months, compared
to fifty seven for all of last year. The pattern
in Australia could indicate a high risk that New Zealand
could soon have cases. Health New Zealand's acting National Public

(14:17):
Health Service Clinical Director of Protection is doctor Matthew Read
and he joins me now, good morning, Matthew, good morning.
Do we have any knowing cases here in New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
Currently, No, we don't have any cases of needles at
this time that we know of, thankfully, good to hear.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Why do we need to be concerned about measles making
its way to New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Well, we're just consumed because, as you said, the those
destinations where people could be going are having recently substantial outdates,
and we're most worried about people being overseas and then
coming back here and then gettings of their way, and

(15:03):
then because of our veximation co not as good as
it should be that measles then could spread quite easily.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
As kids do not have their childhood vaccinations, are they
all good to be able to go and get it
at any time?

Speaker 5 (15:21):
Yes, anybody under eighteen can get a measles vaccination whenever
they like. Anybody over eighteen who's eligible for healthcare in
New Zealand can also get one, so kids can easily.
They normally get a bit twelve months in fifteen months,
but anytime we can do catch up.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
And if you're thinking, you know, if you're thinking about
a measles adult booster, who should be thinking about potentially
getting one of those.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Well, generally reconsider anybody born before nineteen sixty nine as
immune because that's when measles was regularly circulating in New Zealand.
But people born between nineteen sixty nine and two thousand
and four, as an adult, they may have only gotten
one vaccination, so they can check with their GP and

(16:17):
the best thing really is to hit another MMR measles vaccimation,
and it's quite safe even if you've already had two,
but you're not sure to get to get a further one.
Safe and effective and being the mar vaxmation is really
very effective because the ninety five percent protection against needles.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Matthew, if you're going away in a week, is it
too late? How long does it take for the vaccine
to be effective.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, it does take a couple of weeks to be
fully effective, but we think if you're getting it now,
they've just protect you perhaps later on your or fully
protect you later on in your nutrip. So the sooner
the better, Okay.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
And if people are traveling, what the symptoms should they
be aware of that you can get from measles?

Speaker 5 (17:12):
Yeah, so the things to watch out for particularly well,
it starts relatively non specific. A fever can be quite
a high fever and cough. Then you can get red,
sore eyes, conjunctivits, and then of course, but later you

(17:35):
get the rash. The problem with metals is those official
symptoms can occur before the rash, and that can be
people can be infectious that at that time when then
on you've got those non specific symptoms. So that's particularly
why it's worrying for people coming back from those of

(17:57):
these they might be able to spread measles before they even.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
The habit And are the symptoms at all different in children, No.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
They're the same adults and children. But I guess children
and people with a weakened immune system and pregnant people
that can affect them. With more words and the kind
of things that can lead to our nasty year in fiction, diarrhea,

(18:29):
flung in fiction, flight pneumonia, and sometimes I can kipholis
of swelling at the brain, and of course it can kill.
It has killed three people in the US the CFO.
Not particularly worrying, Doctor.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Matthew Reid, appreciate you talking us through that this morning.
Thank you so much for your time. It's twenty eight
past nine. Local politics is up next.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at BE.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
It is time to talk local politics and we're joined
by News and Held political editor Create Trivet.

Speaker 8 (19:08):
Good morning, Clear, good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Lovely to have you with us now. Wins and Peters
told of the Prime Minister for his spring of phone
calls with world leaders this week about US trade war.
Was this something that really should have been made public
or was this a conversation to have around the cabinet table.

Speaker 8 (19:26):
Yes, that was an entertaining, entertaining exchange, wasn't it. Both
sides of that are slightly gobsmacking. The first one is that, yes,
the prime minister does tend to outrank their foreign minister
on any given day of the week. And if Christopher
Luxon thinks it's a good idea to ring his trade partners,

(19:48):
and he knows those trade partners relatively well. Now, he
was speaking to the ones around mainly around Asia who
are and the CPTPP such as Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Philippines.
He's met them all a fair a few times because
he's focused on those areas. He was responding to the
Trump terriffs and basically had given a speech earlier on

(20:09):
Thursday before he started making those phone calls saying that
he wanted the existing kind of trade agreement partners such
as the CPTPP and the EU things to kind of
start to talk, basically, to hold the line on free
trade rather than see everyone starting to retaliate to Trump's

(20:31):
tariffs and breaking all though usual kind of standards of
free trade agreements and stuff like that. He wanted to
kind of get in early on that. And Winston Peters
had taken off on his trip around the pacifica bit.
He had also been to DC ahead of the terrorist
announcements being made to try and kind of protect New
Zealand's position and those and he voiced some surprise in

(20:56):
quite blunt terms actually that Christopher Luxeon should have held
us fire and just sat there and waited to see
what ended up happening under Trump and everything like that,
and hadn't given him a call to talk to him
about it. And he was the one with the experience
and stuff like that. So it's quite unusual a that

(21:17):
Winston Peters would publicly call Christopher Luxeon out about that
and expect Christopher Luxon to kind of take his lead
rather than vice versa when he was dealing at the
leadership level. And also that Christoph Luxon hadn't given Winston
Peters their heads up or had a chat to him
before he had given that speech and called those leaders.

(21:41):
Christopher Luxon would, of course, he's been thinking of it
in the trade capacity. He did have Todd McLay on hand,
who was the actual trade minister. But a curtesy a
courtesy might have merited giving Winston a quick call.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
A little courtesy on both sides may be clear. Now
we're talking about alcohol again and public holidays. What's going
on here?

Speaker 8 (22:04):
Ah, This was just a little thing that didn't actually
get that much notice because it happened in the dead
of night, and and other things were happening, such as
the Winston Peter's Christopher Lights and contomp and Donald Trump's
daily dawn announcements on what tariffs would be, what tariffs

(22:24):
were going where it was Karen McNulty's Little Members Bill,
which is a bill that a normal MP takes and
they all vote on it, and his proposal it is
around the kind of Easter well not really trading laws,
but in that area there's restrictions on what pubs and

(22:45):
restaurants and stuff can and can't do on all the
Easter and antick Days and Christmases and all that kind
of stuff. And it keeps coming up for votes and
members bills and the like, and they always lose for
various reasons. And this time around he's gone for a
more precision approach, which is at the moment you have
to buy a meal to be able to have a

(23:07):
beer or a wine on those particular days. The rules
differ from day to day, depending what time of day
and all that kind of pilava. And he decided it's
ridiculous that you can go into a pub and buy
a beer on the Thursday before Easter, but you can't
on Good Friday, and then you can on Saturday, and
then you can't again on Sunday and all that kind

(23:27):
of stuff. So he's proposed that they just streamline those
rules basically and let pubs sell be as any old
day of the year, regardless of whether it's those days. Anyway.
The notable thing is that this one actually passed its
first reading by sixty seven votes. It's a conscience vote,
which means or a personal vote, which means their MP's votes.

(23:50):
According to you know how they feel. They're quite often
derailed by party politics. I think the ACT Party had
a similar bill up recently in that loss because all
of Labor and ps voted against it this time around,
and the National party vote was quite split. The Conserve
to more conservative end MPs voted against the bill, whereas

(24:13):
quite a few of them voted for it, and that
has now gone through to Select committee. So it's not
a massive overhaul of the Easter laws. It's a kind
of small tweak which has kind of been sold as
making it a lot easier for businesses. The hospitality industry
have kind of welcomed it because they don't have to
change rules. There was some concern from the Greens who

(24:34):
voted against that by and large because they thought it
would mean that, you know, more workers would have to
work on those days now because they'd have to stuff
the pubs more for people who are only going in
to have a bear and all that kind of pilava.
There were a lot of confessions. I went back and
had a quick skimmer that first reading speeches, starting with
Kieren mcinnulty. A lot of people who were saying that

(24:57):
they were Catholic, but they were not very good Catholics,
and nonetheless pointing to the kind of oddity of the
rule that the Bible doesn't exactly ban having a beer
on east of Friday or Sunday, so the usual arguments arise.
I raised it mainly because it was it has actually

(25:18):
made it for its first reading, it has become unusual.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
So there you go, there, we go.

Speaker 8 (25:23):
It won't won't. It won't happen in time for this Easter.
All your listeners out there want time to run down
and have a beer alone on Good Friday.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
You'll still need to buy that meal and look just quickly.
David Parker has resigned from parliament.

Speaker 8 (25:39):
Yeah, well he's about to. Yeah, he's announced that he's
stepping down. Not not a massive surprise. But he has
had a long, a long career and there he first
came in in two thousand and two and he announced
that he was pretty much done and it's been Yeah,
he's one of the they're more I guess stalwart guys.

(26:02):
I've always seen him as a little bit of a
geminy cricket for labor and he's how it consistently held
the line around tax in particular, He's long been a
promoter of something along the lines of a wealth tax
or a capital gains tax. He thinks the tax system
is unfair and puts taxes every dollar basically that lower

(26:23):
and middle income New Zealanders get, whereas wealthy and New
Zealanders don't have a lot of their wealth. Kind of taxt.
He was kind of behind the wealth tax proposal that
Labor was initially running on before the last campaign. He
has said that that's not the reason he's leaving. He's

(26:43):
more or less just done his term and has kind
of done everything he wants to do in both his
foreign affairs portfolios. He's kind of on the same line
as Christopher Luxon on that at the moment, but that's
by the by, and that the tax stuff has nothing
to do with it, and he's quite happy with Labour's
current relook at the tax stuff. But yeah, it's a

(27:05):
bit I mean, yeah, I've kind of been there for
a lot of his career. He's a very considered and
thoughtful politician actually and quite measured.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
It's a.

Speaker 8 (27:19):
What's the word coincidential time, come think of the word
for him to be going as well, because he was
the trade minister when the country signed up to the CPTPP,
so before he announced his resignation, he'd made some comments
about that kind of the trade area and foreign affairs
and stuff like that. And he'll be stepping down I
think in early May now, just ahead of the budget.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
And look clear somebody else.

Speaker 8 (27:42):
A long and quite respected politician.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
As has your career been with the new Zealand Herald
and you were leaving us on Tuesday and I just
want to say thank you very much to you for
all your contribution to us here on the Sunday Session.
It's always a pleasure to talk to you. Claire best
to Luck.

Speaker 8 (28:00):
Thank you, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
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Each year in New Zealand, around three thousand, six hundred
people are diagnosed with breast cancer. The disease doesn't discriminate.
It impacts one and nine Kiwi women across their lifetime
and on average effects twenty five Kiwi men per year.
Currently there is no cure, but Breast Cancer Cure was

(28:32):
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(28:53):
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Breast cancer can and should be survivable. What kind of
work does Breast Cancer Secure do.

Speaker 9 (29:09):
It does It supports and research into our unique New
Zealand population, which is incredibly important because we really can't
rely on international data to actually guide us on what's
the best way to treat our women diagnosed with breast

(29:32):
cancer in New Zealand. So the Breast Cancer Cure are wonderful.
I think you touched on that such a main point
there when you said that they exclusively fund breast cancer
research in New Zealand, which is phenomenal really because I
think most people are unaware that for many of us

(29:54):
that work on breast cancer research in New Zealand, we
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the Breast Cancer Cure ensure that anything that we propose

(30:17):
to do is thoroughly vetted so that their money is
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(30:39):
symptoms mainly.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
To her GP.

Speaker 9 (30:43):
Looking at the costs of the costs and benefits of
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(31:08):
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Speaker 3 (31:13):
And Ni it tell us about the campaign Teas for
a Cure. This is as much about awareness as it
is about fundraising, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (31:20):
It is absolutely and I mean I think it's I
think it's absolutely wonderful. I've been to some of the
shoots and I can't believe all the people they're in,
the energy, the designers are there, everybody is so committed

(31:42):
to giving up their time and to try to make
a difference for breast cancer detected in Altero and New Zealand.
And so this campaign, I think it's wonderful that it's
actually going to be aimed at selling one T shirt

(32:03):
for every woman that's diagnosed with breast cancer every year,
and I hope it's a lot more than that. And
you know, it's wonderful that the designers all designed something
bespoke for their these Tea's for a Cure rounds that
they have, which are twice a year to actually try

(32:24):
to raise money for all of us.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yes, and yet who's involved in the campaign. Who are
some of the designers.

Speaker 9 (32:31):
So some of the designers are Karen Wilson, Karen Walker
to Release Cooper Federation Storm Tuesday, even Benetti Stella and
Gemma Repertoire, Nom d Mouci nine Federation Curate.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
I mean, it's just isn't that wonderful?

Speaker 9 (32:59):
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
The funds raised through this particular campaign, they go towards
the things that you were already talking about or is
there something specific in mind?

Speaker 9 (33:12):
Well, every it's interesting you ask that because every year
we have to put in a proposal to say this
is the kind of research we're really keen on doing.
And as I said, you know this applies to probably
an awful lot of us doing breast cancer biomedical research. Well,

(33:34):
actually it's not just biomedical research. It's also population health research.
And when I mean that, I mean, you know the
difference between doing stuff in the lab doing stuff that
might be you know, when I talk about in the lab.
I mean maybe developing new drugs or new new detection
methods or things like that, versus things that can be

(33:56):
looking at patients' opinions or patient's treatment journeys to things
that we can do to better their outcome if they
do have a bright breast cancer diagnosis. There's a real
wide breadth of the type of projects that are applying

(34:18):
for funding. Each funding round, which is later in the year,
tends to be about October time, and so the more
the more money that breast can secure can raise, the more.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Pros can fund. And Nie, thank you so much of
your time this morning, really appreciate it. You can get
the teas for a cure from Breastcancercure dot org dot
in seed.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
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Speaker 10 (34:45):
Asia Business, corresponding Peter Lewis Weathers, but one forty five
for China, is that a completely separate thing that will
unfold in its own way or because of China?

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Is China?

Speaker 10 (34:54):
We're all in this together?

Speaker 11 (34:55):
I think in some ways we're all in this together
because what happens to the Chinese economy coffects the rest
of Asia. About fifteen percent of China's economy depends upon exports,
fifteen percent of that goes to the US, so this
could easily shave off a couple of percent of of
China's GDP because when how it's one hundred and forty
five percent trade between those two countries has come to

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a complete.

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overseas posting, he eventually received a certificate and pin, but
no information on how to access veterans pensions and the
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full of excuses and doesn't seem to have the confidence
at the moment. Peter Berling is a true athlete and
we'll be missed. Dalton would have asked him like any
like other power happy decisions he seems to keep doing.
He's a real disappointment for New Zealand sailing. Look got

(36:16):
Liam Nawson. I'm just going to take a moment. Here
is in the top twenty drivers in the world. He
is a man doing something so rare that so very
few of us will ever get anywhere doing or having
that kind of success. Yeah, he's under a bit of pressure.
He stepped up in this sport that has all these

(36:37):
eyes on him, and everyone's got an opinion. What is
so we just back off Liam. We just leave Liam alone.

Speaker 7 (36:41):
For a bit.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
He is a good driver. He will find his way.
He just needs to focus on his driving and get
back to the basics I think. Anyway. Look, thank you
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and the man who plays him in the new movie,
The Correspondent, Richard Roxburgh. They joined me. This is one
heck of a story. We're going to talk to Peter
about how he coped with these trumped up charges and
how Richard brought the story to life. That's next year

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Speaker 1 (38:37):
Track Welcome to the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and

(39:12):
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Speaker 3 (39:24):
Good to have you with us. It is ten past
seven right. In December twenty thirteen, Australian journalist Peter Grester
was arrested in Egypt, charged with aiding a terrorist organization.
What followed was four hundred days of incarcerations, solitary confinement, interrogations,
a politically motivated trial, and completely complete uncertainty in a

(39:45):
corrupt legal system. Peter's story and fight for freedom has
been turned into a film. It's starring Ozzie actor Richard Rocksborough.
The film was called The Correspondent And Joining Me now
is Peter Grestor. And the man who plays them on
the big screen, Richard Rocksborough. Lovely to have you both
with us.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Thanks Francesca Peter.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Maybe you can start by setting the scene for us.
It's twenty and thirteen. You're in Cairo. You've been sent
there to cover holiday leave for a fellow Al Jazeera journalist,
and pretty quickly things start to go bad.

Speaker 12 (40:18):
Yeah, that's right. We were covering the unfolding political crisis
between rival groups supporters of the Old Muslim Brotherhood, the
government that had been ousted about six months earlier, and
the supporters of the interim administration that was trying to
set up fresh elections. And yeah, I was doing what
I'd considered to be pretty vanilla journalism, nothing overly controversial,

(40:40):
because as you said, I was only filling in and
I didn't really know the politics of the country that well,
so it was just fairly routine stuff. And there was
a knock on the door December twenty eighth of twenty thirteen,
and opened the door and rushed a whole bunch of
very burly Egyptian security guards or security officers, playing clothed,

(41:04):
but it was pretty clear that they were moving the
kind of professionalism that officials you'd expect officials to have,
and they marched me off, placed me under arrest, and
very quickly learned that I was facing some very very
serious terrorism charges.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Richard, what did you know of Peter's story? Can you
remember this?

Speaker 13 (41:22):
Yeah, look, I followed it really closely. Australia kind of
stood to attention when this happened. I don't think Peter
himself realized how front and center the story was in
Australia at the time. It just seemed so bizarre to
everybody that you know, aknown respected foreign correspondent whose face

(41:42):
we'd seen in reports across time, had suddenly been dragged
off the streets for doing his job essentially and was
then charged and was then in prison for seven years
on terrorism charges. It seemed so it seemed so outrageous
and bizarre, and it was certainly a big part of

(42:04):
the Australian conversation at the time.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, I imagine it was. You know, Peter, it is
such an incredible story. I mean, you were accused of
financing and aiding a terrorist organization.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
It was.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
It was mind boggling and also extremely serious. So how
do you win those early days and weeks and months
get your hit around finding yourself in a situation like this.

Speaker 12 (42:31):
Initially I couldn't. I mean, you know, I'd never done
anything like this before. I hadn't been through it. I
didn't really quite understand what was going on. And there's
a guy that appears makes a cameo in the movie,
a guy called it a la abdel Fata who had
been an extraordinary, wonderful, intelligent, humanitarian and pro democracy activist,

(42:53):
and regrettably he had been imprisoned by most of the
regimes in Egypt at the time because he was a
wonderfully charismatic figure who had the capacity to really mobilize people.
But he also schooled me in the dark huts I
suppose of surviving prison.

Speaker 14 (43:10):
He made it.

Speaker 12 (43:11):
He helped me understand that prison first and foremost, even
though we initially focus on the physical confinement, on the
bars and the walls and the doors and so on,
it's actually a psychological problem. And once I understood that,
once he gave me the tools to cope, I found
it so much easier to manage.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Because was it him that told you that there is
no place for self pity in present? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (43:36):
And he's still in prison, by the way, I've just
come back from a hunger strike earlier this year to
support his mother, who's also striking to try and get
him released.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
So, Richard, how do you get your head around a
character like this? I suppose Also my first question to
you is what was it about the story Peter's story
that drew you to really wanting to play him.

Speaker 13 (43:58):
Well, I guess, as I was saying, it was such
a kind of it was such a shock to Australia
at the time that this had actually happened, So it
was an important story in that context, but given what's
happened to journalists and journalism since that time, it felt

(44:19):
like it was a you know, it was an even
more urgent story to tell the simple fact that the
journalists used to be protected by the Geneva Convention and
they're now regarded as fair game in theaters of war.

(44:40):
But also that you know, in the White House now
the Press Corps is chosen by the government for the
first time. There are all of these things that are
happening to journalism that are really potent and quite scary
encroachments on what used to be a pretty straightforward thing
that people accepted. So I guess I felt that it

(45:03):
was a really urgent and important story to get involved.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
With, and quite a responsibility in a sense. I mean,
was it a daunting role to take on?

Speaker 13 (45:14):
Totally totally, because you know, I had such respect for
Peter in his work, and it's not something you take
on lightly playing something some playing a.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Character who's a real human being.

Speaker 13 (45:29):
Luckily, in this instance, Peter has been such a supporter
of the project from the get go, So from the
very first read through, he was there, and I was
able to obviously, apart from do the sneaky actors work
of kind of you know, checking out his every move
and the way that he was and the secret sly

(45:50):
things that actors take away and put in their pocket,
it was also just knowing that I could talk to
him freely and that he would help me out if
need be, and I could pester him with irritating little
questions along the way.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Should I know that? You know, when playing a real
life character, some actors like to meet the person they're portraying.
Others don't. They do their research in other ways. So
clearly it was very helpful in this particular situation to
have Peter around. Is that the way you would normally work.

Speaker 13 (46:25):
Well, it really depends on the situation. I mean, I've
played real life characters, some of them very much in
the public eye in the past.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
In this particular.

Speaker 13 (46:37):
Case, though, in conversations with the director, it became really
clear that we didn't want to do a kind of
impersonation of Peter, that that was not where the relevancy
of this story lay. That it was much more going
to be about trying to occupy the internal space of
what that person went through in that environment. So that

(46:58):
once the kind of impediment of having to look like
be like act like Peter was taken away, it felt
like it was safer. It was it was safer terrain
for all of us because the film also is oddly
it's it's a POV.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Film, so it's all new.

Speaker 13 (47:19):
Yeah, so apologies to everybody, but it's it's one hundred
percent I mean every single frame, which I which was
also unexplored territory for me.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
I think I was three quarters of the way through
and I thought, I don't think I've seen a scene
without rigid and yet I'm no, no, no, no, you don't
need to apologize, you don't need to apologize. But I
did think to myself, gosh, this was an exhausting.

Speaker 7 (47:41):
Shoot.

Speaker 12 (47:42):
Yeah, it's one of the things that I actually took.
It was hugely gratified by that approach, too, I have
to say, because it meant that I was also absolved
in having to worry about whether he'd got my walk
right or some verbal tick of mine right. That you
know he was he was embodying the experience rather than
me as an individual, and that was that was made

(48:05):
a lot easier, I think, to watch and also to
work with him.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Did you notice, though, Richard, watching you sort of slyly
out of the corner of his eye when you're first
Do you think he is keeping a close.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Eye on me?

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Tell me, Peter, what did you What was it like
to sit and watch your story on the big.

Speaker 12 (48:22):
Screen, strangely discombobulating. Like I've spoken about this a lot,
I've actually built a career on being on what I
went through in Egypt. I've written about it. I've given
countless speeches and interviews about it. So a lot of
that is kind of downstream processing. It's actually sort of

(48:43):
ongoing therapy, if you like. By applying meaning and significance
to what to the experience we went through and so
I thought I knew it inside and out. But watching
Rock's on screen, watching the film on screen for the
first time was really through me because I didn't anticipate
that they would nail the experience. The kind of disorientation

(49:07):
of the arrest, the confusion and claustrophobia of confinement, that
loss of agency, the loss of control, all of those
things were really really deeply embedded in the core of
this film, and so to see that and be drawn
right back there was really really made me feel a

(49:29):
little bit punch drunk. After I walked out of the
cinema for the first time, what.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Really struck me was just how incredibly powerless you were.
You know, like the Australian embassy would come and see
you and they would say to you, oh, look, there's
an as social process to go through. Al Jazia would
send you a lawyer, but they would then be arrested
for treason. It felt like no one else could see
how utterly ridiculous, you know, what was happened to you was.

Speaker 12 (49:52):
Yeah, it certainly felt that way. I mean, you know,
I think a lot of people could see how ridiculous
it was, which is one of the reasons it'd got
such enormous global outrage. But you know, when you're in
the middle of that maelstrom, you really have to submit
to the fact that you really are out of control,
and that you've got to accept the reality of the
thing that you're confronting, rather than the fantasy of what

(50:15):
you'd like it to be. It's a difficult thing to
be involved with.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
How has it impacted you, Peter, and how you went
on to continue to do your work?

Speaker 12 (50:27):
Well, it buggered my career. I'm still a convicted terrorist.
I still have an outstanding prison sentence to serve, and
that those are things that are pretty difficult to have
when you're to carry when you're trying to work as
a correspondent. In the end, I had to give that
career up, and as I said, I've built a career
out of being a media freedom activist. There's a lot

(50:51):
of people I think and expect me to be psychologically damaged.
I've certainly been affected by that experience. It certainly changed
me in very profound ways. I don't think I suffer
from PTSD. I think I learned a lot about myself,
a lot more than I think I would have wanted.
But you know these things. You know what they say,
what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, And it didn't

(51:12):
kill me, so yeah, I you know it was It
was an experience I would never want to have gone
through again, but I wouldn't want my worst enemy to
go through. But it wasn't all bad.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
I'd love to get your reactions to this, to get
both of your reactions to this. There is this scene
it near the end of the film when you're changing
out of your prison clothes and you put on a
black and white shirt.

Speaker 9 (51:38):
And.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
When you got changed, you sort of stood there for
a moment. You're looking at yourself in the mirror. I think,
and I remember looking at you, going, that's not the
Peter I met at the beginning of this film. And
I don't know whether Richard, that was your intention in
that scene to sort of represent the impact that this
whole experience had had on you, or whether Peter, that
was how you felt. But you know, in that moment,

(52:02):
you could just see what an impact. You know, I
felt like you were a different person than the person
I've been at the beginning of the film.

Speaker 12 (52:09):
Yeah, I let Rocks respond to that.

Speaker 13 (52:13):
Yeah, look, we talked to I talked with the director
Creeve standards briefly before we went into that scene, but
none of us had We didn't really know what we
were going to do, and so I guess it. I
pulled on the clothes, and then whatever came out came out.

(52:36):
And I talked to Creeve afterwards about that moment and
he we both agreed that we probably didn't need that,
that it could be a much simpler thing. And so
in the way of filmmaking, you do kind of five
different versions of it, and so the version of it
that he chose was the one which, you know, pity

(52:57):
kind of goes to pieces. But again, you don't know
at the time if that's if that's going to work.
It just seemed to be, I guess, to underpin the
fact that there were so many things happening in that moment.

(53:17):
First and foremost was the fact that Peter was leaving
behind his colleagues, to whose prison terms hadn't been commuted
at that point, So there were so many difficult things
that he was going to have to face. And yes,
as you rightly point out the fact that something has
changed and changed.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Forever, Richard, do Roles leave a mark on you and
if yes, what has stayed with you from this film?

Speaker 13 (53:48):
I've become so much, so much more aware of the
place of journalism and the concerned about what's happening to
the world of journalism. The fact that you know that

(54:08):
everywhere you seem to turn these days, unless journalists have
seen to be towing the line, unless they seem to
be conforming to the whatever, the kind of appreciate, you know,
the particular political narrative is that they are regarded as
the enemy of the people. And I think this is

(54:30):
the world that we're increasingly living in, and so I'm
so much more my years are so much more attuned.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
To that now.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
And Peter, maybe I can give you the last word
on this. You know, why is it important to keep
reminding people, you know, that journalists going about their daily
job can face such challenges and dangers day to.

Speaker 12 (54:53):
Day, Because I mean, it's I guess it's democracy one
on one. Isn't it that you can't have the functioning
democracy without a free press that's capable of holding the
powerful to account. And I know sometimes that sounds a
little bit cliched.

Speaker 7 (55:08):
But it is.

Speaker 12 (55:09):
You know, like all cliches, there's a big fat gob
of truth in there. We need good journalists to help
inform public debate, to keep us to keep a system
working as it should. It's one of the reasons why
whenever you get a military coup or you get an
authoritarian in power, the first place as they go is

(55:31):
to the local news organizations to try and shut them
down or control them. That's the erosion of press freedom
that Rocks has been talking about is something that is
at critical stage right now. More journalists have been imprisoned
than ever before, more have been killed on the job
than ever before. And so if this movie does nothing

(55:54):
other than provoke a few conversations about that make people
think a little bit more deeply about the role of
good journalism, then I think we'll have achieved something important.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Peter, thank you so much for your amazing story for
sharing it, and Richard, thank you so much for your
stunning performance in this film.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Thanks Franchis.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
That was journalist Peter Grestor and actor Richard Roxborough. Their
film The Correspondent is in cinemas this Thursday, and don't forget
that after eleven. I'm joined by Yvonne Strohowski, who plays
Serena in The Headmain's Tail We're going if you get
a bit of behind the scenes goss on the latest season.
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Entertainment time now and we're kicking off a little bit
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Tate Music Prize, which is taking place this Tuesday, the fifteenth.
Steve Neil is editor at flex Stock, Coton and Zed
and joins me.

Speaker 15 (57:48):
Now, good morning, good morning, very much looking forward to
her getting together with the pals of the music industry
for the Tate Music Prize on Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
I forgotten how much I love that album. We spoke
to her when she released it, I think late last
year when she released whenever she released it. Yeah, No,
really cool little soul sort of number.

Speaker 15 (58:07):
Absolutely, and this is a this is a great, great
awards to recognize this, this type of record because it
really focuses on the album as still as an art form,
still as an entity, a sort of purely thought out
creative expression, consistent case of body of work. So Anna Connington,
as he says, nominated Darts, Delaney, Davidson, Earth Tongue, Phaser Days,

(58:29):
Georgia Lines, Holly Aerosmith, Mal Parsons and Troy Kingey are
among other finalists, but my hot tip, my fave for
meeting the criteria of the Tape Music Prize. If not
necessarily I can't pick favorites, but favorite by the rules
of this prize is Mocotron. This superb album Wide Air,

(58:51):
awesome Maori based record. So there you go.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
That's really interesting. My producer Lively, she picked Anna Coddington.
She reckons that's the album to beat, so well, we'll
be following this up next Sunday.

Speaker 15 (59:03):
Let's let's let's make it interesting.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
But look what I'm with you. Of course, we've got
the Apra Silver Scroll, which celebrates songwriting and that's often
one song. But what I love about the TAT is
I'll then go I make it a mission to listen
to the full album of each artist, because it's not
something we do so much these days when we're making
playlists and yeah, kind of flitting through Spotify and things.

Speaker 15 (59:23):
Totally. It's I think it's meeting the artist's in tension
through the through the medium that they most want to
communicate with us through.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yeah, No, awesome. Now tonight we have polk the Trial
of Philip Polkinghorn, which is hitting three and three now, yeah,
and I.

Speaker 15 (59:41):
Should caution this isn't really lovely to talk about this
as entertainment, but it's not. This is a true crime
murder documentary, but it doesn't go down the sort of
lurid and kind of grubby sensationalism I guess.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Something like that. Yeah, I'm really pleased to hear that,
because I felt like we covered this trial very well
and very thoroughly, and I didn't feel that the huge
amount of spect was showing to the victim, and I
didn't want us to be just taking the lovely, salacious
parts of this story across the screen.

Speaker 15 (01:00:13):
Again, So Pauline Hannah, the deceased in this case, is
treated with a lot of respect by the documentary makers.
It opens and clothes with footage of Pauline to really
kind of remind you about the person it was all about.
So we learned quite a bit about her, and it
just makes it all the sadder, really because she seemed
like a wonderful person, and my interpretation being that she

(01:00:37):
kind of gets trapped in a coers of control situation
with someone that's spiraling. And yeah, it's a difficult watch,
but across three episodes, there's plenty of time spent with
the details, particularly the forensics, So this is sort of
where so much of the crux of the case ended
up lying. Also of particular interest is that Private investigated

(01:01:00):
Julia Hartley Moore filmed interview footage with Philip Pulkinghorn while
his out on bail, and she's an executive producer on
this project, so presumably sort of like saw the opportunity
to get the interview and save it for make it
into something later on, but rather than giving him a
platform in those interviews, it kind of does reveal like

(01:01:21):
a lot of inconsistencies. You'd start to draw your own
conclusions about the person that is speaking, probably a bit
too freely for their own good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Did you learn more than what we learned in the trial?
Does this documentary server purpose beyond just sort of rehashing
what we saw?

Speaker 15 (01:01:36):
I think that for me personally, I couldn't keep up
with the day to day news cycle on BES. It
was just too grim and so being able to sort
of get this condensed and detailed information and like a
couple of sittings, it's quite a nice way to take
not a nice way, but it's an appropriate way to
take it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
In And do we hear from the mistress and other
members of family.

Speaker 15 (01:02:00):
Who's Madison Ashton is very prominent in the series, and
it's sort of a voice that's been largely missing, I
think from from coverage. But yes, there's sort of lots
of lots lots of things to I guess ruminate on.
It will definitely be once the weight of watching it

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lifts in the living room. There's definitely lots of chats
to have about it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I like the way you have because you've told me
off there that there are a lot of revelations. I
like the way you're not giving it all away here.
You've been very contrul Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:02:32):
And it's not it's not the jinx like there's not
there's not a hot mic moment in the bathroom where
a confession is obtained. But it just details accumulate, and
and the more that we hear people's personal accounts sort
of side by side with the with the evidence, the

(01:02:52):
more compelling it becomes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
This is heading tonight, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:02:56):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:02:56):
Yes, This is tonight on streaming first on three Now
and airing over three consecutive nights on THROA at eight
forty pm.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
I think it's going to be a viewing for a
lot of people.

Speaker 15 (01:03:09):
Totally, and even if it's just a sort of feel
like more complete pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, to kind of wrap it up and
tuck it away. Maybe. Hey, thank you so much, Steve,
appreciate that. Up next, we find out why what the
most bitter taste identified in the world is so far
and why this discovery could be a really good thing.
It's twenty six to twentyven.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
On News Talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
And with our science study of the week. Doctor Michel
Dickinson joins me. Now, good morning, good morning. This is
an interesting one.

Speaker 17 (01:03:45):
Do you like better things and oh not really no,
me neither. Like a milk chocolate girl. Yeah that's the same, right, yeah,
so people love it. I'm going to try the dark
chocolate because that's what you're supposed to have, like franchise,
but just have a smaller bit and have the one
that you like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
That's what I say.

Speaker 17 (01:04:01):
So here's this news study and if you want to
read it at home this week, it is open source
so you can, and it's in the Journal of Agricultural
and Food Compound Chemistry. It's a lovely little study it's
an easy read. But basically, scientists have just found the
world's most bitter tasting substance ever and that's a pretty
hard call. But this thing is disgusting. So why are

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things bitter? Usually bitter flavors are in plants and things
or you know, animals to say, don't eat me, I'm toxic.
So it was designed as nature's warning sign. And we
know that bitter tastes have sort of evolved over hundreds
of millions of years to help humans and mammals steer
away from toxic things and stop dying. So it's a
it's a clever way that nature has been working together.

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And the most potent natural bitter compound but has just
been found is unusually, because it's usually found in plants,
has just been found in a mushroom. And what I
find so ironic is this is a non toxic mushroom.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
It's the thing. It doesn't make any sense. So did
any of them try it?

Speaker 16 (01:05:05):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:05:05):
Yeah, So it's a room that people have actually foragers
have known about this mushroom. Okay, and I've gone on
the taste discriped. But some people like that bitterness, they've
liked it, but they've eaten it and I've gone, did
you know with the alarm bells, not going dot eat
me anyway. So they've just tested it and it is
absolutely revolting. It's called a marrow posterius Stepeka. It's the

(01:05:26):
type of mushroom totally nontoxic. You can eat it if
you do like bitter things. And so what scientists did
is took this very bitter tasting mushroom and basically chemically
broke it up to work out what is it in
there that's making it bitter. And they found these what
are called glucosides, and the one that they found that
is the one that is magical here, it's called oligo

(01:05:49):
pourin D. Now they found D, E and F, but
D is the one here that we're interested in. We've
never found this before. This is a brand new compound
that has been found and it's activated our bitter taste receptor.
And it's a specific one if you care about this stuff.
It's called TAS two are six and it's activated it
at incredibly low concentrations. And I read it and it said,

(01:06:12):
oh you know, it can activate it on our tongue
at sixty three millions of a gram per liter and
I'm like, that won't mean anything to do, and then
so we did the calculation. Basically, you can taste the
severe bitterness if you put one gram of this common
in a million best tubs of wo do you You
basically don't need very much of it to send you puckering.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Even if you took a bite of them one of
those mushrooms, you wouldn't want to do that.

Speaker 17 (01:06:39):
And you might go, well, who cares, Michelle, why does
this matter? It matters for a few reasons. One, this
really is the first time we found this bitter compound
in a mushroom or a fungus. We usually found these
compounds in plants, or we make them chemically, and we
want to make these For example, I don't know if
you've ever had a tablet that tasted really bitter, but
they coat dangerous tablets medical tablets with a bitter tasting

(01:07:02):
outside so that children don't gobble them all down. And
they're typically man made or chemically made. So now you go, oh,
we can just take this extrac from We literally need
the tiniest bit to make a spray chemical that we
can put that's naturally made on things like that. So
de terence to stop people eating things that are toxic.
Number two, we know that our bitter taste receptors pre

(01:07:25):
date in our mouth, pre date flowering plants by about
three hundred million years. So the fact that this has
been found in a fungus may show the origins from
an evolution perspective of why we even developed bitter taste buds.
It might have been because of fungus, because it wasn't
because of plants. And what I did not know this,
and I love this paper for this bitter receptors. So

(01:07:47):
there's special tas two are forty six are not just
on our tongue. We have them in our lungs, oh
and in our guts and in our heart and in
our brain in other places. But we have them in
our lungs so that if we smell something that might
be toxic, actually it sets off because it's it sets
off a whole bunch of immume reusponsors that might be

(01:08:08):
protecting us from something that we're inhaling. And I only
thought that the bitterness was tasted by it up, but
we actually have them everywhere else and so this this
horrific mushroom will set them off everywhere I just love us.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
We don't really need we're gov. We could just have
a spray. Everything's bitter bride on your Trugger fruits.

Speaker 17 (01:08:26):
But yeah, so the world's most bitter tasting substances come
from mushroom and it's just been found and it is
really potent, fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Thank you so much, Michelle, appreciate it. What to Do
with Persons? Up next, It's eighteen to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
The Sunday Session Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Talks It.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
A resident chief Mike vnder Alson is with us. Now,
Good morning, Mike, Good morning. I love the fact you're
talking about persons because I don't. I can hardly say
the word and I hardly ever do anything with the fruit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
I know it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Don't know why I know.

Speaker 18 (01:08:58):
And they're not huge in New Zealand persons and sales.
They're quite sweet, very sweet when they're fully matured and
ready to be eaten. They're a real dark, dark orange.
Hugely popular in Asian countries, so like in China they
often dry them out sell them as dried fruit, and

(01:09:19):
Taiwan they pickle them, and hugely popular in America, so
personmon pie, person cookies person puddings and then they serve
that with a ginormous dollop of whipped cream.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Yes, that's my daughter was ringing into them for a while,
and you cut them open. They're beautiful. They're a beautiful
fruit to look at.

Speaker 14 (01:09:40):
They are amazing.

Speaker 18 (01:09:40):
And out here in Middlewaii we do person tarts and
they also work really well in person and gin.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
I could do that. You go interest now, but let's
stick with the tart because we're responsible like that. Toalk
us through this recipe.

Speaker 14 (01:09:57):
Easy peasy ten.

Speaker 18 (01:09:58):
You have it on one ninety degrees and then take
a heavy pan, heavy based saucepan like castline pan. Pop
that onto a heat. I've got this will make a
fair amount. So you're looking at a medium to large pan.
So you've got four tablespoons of sugar, So let's just
cast a sugar two tablespoons of white of water.

Speaker 14 (01:10:16):
Sorry, pop that.

Speaker 18 (01:10:18):
Into the pan, turn that on, and when the sugar's dissolved,
just bring the temperature down and then just slowly start
to cook that out until it becomes a light caramel color.
Once it becomes that, then you add fifty grams or
it'll be about a tablespoon of butter. Whist that and
then just turn it off and just let that set aside.
Take your person, so I've got four persons, because they

(01:10:39):
can get quite lige, So remove the leaves off the
person and cut them into wedges, and then take your
pan and fan out those wedges inside the pan, just
leaving a gap on the outside of the inside, or
leaving a gap on the inside of the person so
you can still see the outside of the caramel. Does
that make sense, yes, yes, outside inside, I'm getting myself

(01:11:00):
inside out.

Speaker 14 (01:11:02):
And then take some puff pastry.

Speaker 18 (01:11:03):
Take two pieces of puff pastry, because the pan's junially
going to be bigger than one piece, and just stick
two pieces of puff pastry together. Cut the puff pastry
out to the outside diameter of the pan, and then
lay that in and just make sure at this point
it's really important to make sure.

Speaker 14 (01:11:18):
That the puff pastry is actually touching.

Speaker 18 (01:11:20):
The caramel on the outside of those persons, so you're
kind of creating like a cup shape of pastry over
the top of those persons.

Speaker 14 (01:11:28):
Fire them into the oven. They are going to be
twenty five minutes in the oven.

Speaker 18 (01:11:31):
After that time, the persons don't take a lot of
cooking and so twenty five minutes at that high tempt one.

Speaker 14 (01:11:38):
Ninety is the maximum.

Speaker 18 (01:11:39):
All we'relready doing as we're cooking the pastry, pull that
out and as quickly as you can take a large
plate very carefully, get someone to help. You can need
to turn it out, and then if all goes well,
everything should come out of the pan, and then serve
that alongside. I've got some raspberry salbet with this, which
would be really nice because the person can be really
really sweet, and you are adding it to a sweet caramel.

(01:12:01):
So I'd serve that with something that's tart, like a
raspberry sawbee.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
If all goes well, I love the way you throw
I love the way you throw that into the recipe.

Speaker 14 (01:12:09):
Mic. If it doesn't go well, behead the jam.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
It's kind of how I feel every time I start
a meal. Thank you so much, Mike. Take here. You
can get that recipe from good from Scratch dot co
dot inzid and we'll get it up on our website
today as well. News Talk cyp dot co dot in
zid Ford slash Sunday. It is a twelve to eleven deep.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
It's simple, it's Sunday. It's the Sunday Session with Francesca.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Rudcott and Wiggles for the best selection of great readings.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
News Talk zib.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Time to Talk Wellness and I'm joined by Erin O'Hara.
Good morning, Good morning. So many of us find ourselves
looking at the bedroom ceiling at about two or three
in the morning, wide awake. Maybe some people have, you know,
racing minds, or maybe you're just wide awake, or like me,
maybe you've had a rodent in the ceiling. Oh my goodness,

(01:12:59):
really busy dealt to that? Why do we wake as
three in the morning.

Speaker 19 (01:13:04):
Yeah, three o'clock wake up is such a common problem
quite often getting to sleep, fine, sleep great, suddenly till
three o'clock boom, awake, can't get back to sleep, lying
there maybe thinking maybe not even busy night mind, but
just can't sleep, which is really problematic as well, and
then just lay there for the rest of the night.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
And this is a really.

Speaker 19 (01:13:27):
Really common problem, and it can be commonly when we
maybe have too much stress during the day. It's probably
a big trigger for this is that stressful days, anxious
during the day, and then you think your calm at
night and then actually you get this little quartzole surge
and you're awake at three o'clock and that's it for
the rest of the night, and that then has a

(01:13:48):
flow on effect for the next day, being tired and
usually having poor regulation for the next day of your
nervous system as well, because you're usually then sleep deprived,
and you then get this cycle that goes on and
on and on of poor sleep and then more stress
and anxiety and tiredness the next day. And it's get
that balance right. There's lots of things that can trigger

(01:14:09):
these three am wake ups and make it really challenging
to get back to sleep. Actually has a name middle
insomnia or sleep maintenance insomnia. And if that's you looking
at first, what are the reasons why you're waking? Is
it stress and anxiety during the day that's activating a
fight or flight response. Are you drinking too much caffeine

(01:14:32):
during the day, Are you having like ten cups of
coffee that's obviously gonna then affect your nighttime sleep. Or
maybe alcohol before bed big one, especially as we age
alcohol before bed or alcohol in the evening, we then
get to sleep fine because we're so calm and sort
of zen, and then we're from the alcohol kind of
zoned us out and then we're waking up at three o'clock,

(01:14:53):
can't get back to sleep. The environment of your bedroom,
whether there's too much light, too much noise, too cold,
too hot. There's so many factors with the bed troop
of like getting that balance of like a good sleeping
and or maybe it's a medical condition like restless leg
syndrome or sleep at near are common things that will
wake people in the middle of the night and they

(01:15:15):
make it quite hard to get back to sleep. So
there's many factors that can affect sleep and this nighttime
wake up, particular sleep pattern that goes on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
I can remember you telling me, because you know we're all,
you know, trying to drink a good amount of fluid
and water during the day. You think to me, drink
the majority of your water wool for two o'clock in
the afternoon the night to go to the low. And
that is so true.

Speaker 19 (01:15:38):
It is so true, because that even that waking up
to go to the toilet can then get back into
bed and oh my god, I can't get back to sleep.
So that can be another challenging one, particularly actually for
men as they age and might suddenly the prostate might
be a little bit off balance. And then we've got
you know, the wake ups of maybe five times in
a night, which if anyone's woken up five times in

(01:15:59):
a night knows it's actually quite hard to get enough
sleep and you wake up feeling pretty exhausted the next morning.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Okay, quick tips to help us sleep better.

Speaker 19 (01:16:11):
So always looking at sleep hygiene first, which sleep hygiene
like how you're preparing for bed, creating that routine, creating
the bedroom environment, also limiting your caffeine and alcohol. And
then also don't go to bed with a full tummy.
You're always never going to sleep that great if you've
got a full tummy when you're going to.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Bed, love it. Thank you so much. Erin enjoyed the
rest of your weekend. We'll see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
The Sunday Session Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio empowered by
News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
One of my favorite characters on TV is Serena Joey
Waterford from The Handmaid's Tail. Not because she's a lovely character,
not because I aspar you think like her, but because
she's because she's not very nice as to but because
she is so complex. She's this really layered character. And
she's played brilliant beat brilliantly by Ossie actress e von Stahovsky.
She is cunning, she's manipulative, she's a survivalist, she's occasionally

(01:17:06):
humor and forgiving. You never quite know where she's at.
Does she still believe in all these ideals of Gilliad
or has she seen the light? You never quite know.
So we are going to talk to Yvonne about what
it was like to play such a character. And we're
going to finish that hour with some music from Teks.
This is these Hands. He has been announced as the

(01:17:29):
third act for the Auckland Winter Series. He's going to
deliver a special one night only performance at the Auckland
Town Hall on Thursday, June the fifth. Back shortly, you're
with News Talks at b.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
It's Sunday, you know what that it's the Sunday session
with Francesca Rudkin and Wickles for the Best Election of
grape Reeds Us Talk Sat.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Be good morning here with the Sunday Session. I'm Francisca
Rudkin coming up. This our Piney is with us. He
is going to cover all the motorsport happening this weekend.
Megan's us journey continues this week. She's all about Palm
Springs and Joan has a fabulous new thriller for.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Us the Sunday Session right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Brace yourself. The rebellion Gilliad is finally igniting as The
Handmaid's Tale returns for its sixth and final season.

Speaker 8 (01:18:47):
For years, we've been afraid of them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Now it's time for them to be afraid of us.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
This is the beginning.

Speaker 8 (01:18:57):
Of the end.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
What's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Rebellion?

Speaker 20 (01:19:05):
Why and fight for your freedom?

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Where is Joe Osborne?

Speaker 16 (01:19:13):
You?

Speaker 20 (01:19:13):
Here's all of our friends, everyone and anyone who hates
Gilliat to finally declare enough.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Oh well, it's as good as it sounds. Australian actress
Evon Stroholski's plays Serena Joey Waterford, one of the most
contentious characters on television. The cruel and calculating wife of
the high ranking commander, Serena is both an architect and
prisoner of Gilliard's unsettling futuristic dystopia. The new season premiered
this week, and Avon Strohowski is with me now, good morning.

Speaker 20 (01:19:45):
Hi, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Oh look, there's that Ossie accent that glorious Ossi accent.
You have perfected the American accent so well that I
tend to forget that you're in Australian. I imagine that
the Americans have claimed you now, have they? I don't know, No,
maybe not.

Speaker 20 (01:20:04):
I mean, well, who knows.

Speaker 14 (01:20:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 20 (01:20:05):
But I'm sure people don't realize that I'm Australian. But
also I don't sound as Australian anymore. I've spent my adult,
entire adult life two decades almost in the States. And
you know, when you pretend to be an American for
your entire last two decades and you live there, it's
part of the course that your whole accent changes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
There's still a little bit of a little bit of
Ozzie there, I think now a little bit a little
bit this series. What has it been like to act
in The Handmaid's Tales? Some of the scenes are difficult,
they're dark, some of the storylines are very difficult. How
has it been.

Speaker 8 (01:20:46):
It's been.

Speaker 20 (01:20:49):
Like the most extraordinary journey ever. I just feel so
lucky that I got to be Serena. I just you know,
this is like a This has been such an amazing
opportunity for me. To be so challenged and grow and

(01:21:12):
work on my craft, my artistry, everything that I want
to do as a performer. It's just been so great.
I keep saying this, but I never once died a
creative death here on this show. Like it was never boring.
There was always something incredible that I got to do,
and right until the very end. And I think I

(01:21:38):
didn't really even realize how invested I was. I mean,
I knew I was invested, but I just didn't even
really realize how much I just love Serena Joy because
it's so easy to hate her and we've all judged her.
I have had to judge her the least out of
everybody because I have to play her. But I just
didn't really even realize just how meaningful she was to me.

(01:22:02):
And really has hit hard now that where at the
end you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Bring so much to her. She is there are so
many layers, and she is so complex. She can be cruel,
but you bring a human side to her as well.
I suppose the question is you know, you've just said,
you've just sort of explained how much you loved being
in her shoes. I wonder what is she is you

(01:22:32):
step away? What remains with you. What impact has she
had going forward on you?

Speaker 20 (01:22:40):
I mean, I think just here, it's been a it's
been such there's been so much trauma and emotion and
intensity as part of this character, and it's sort of
I mean, it's twofold. I think there's this sort of
great appreciation that I have for having a role like

(01:23:04):
this that really explores the great areas of humanity, the
nuances of each of each emotion known to mankind and
unknown to mankind. Like I've really got to sort of
explore this the humanity and the and the non humanity
also of a person. And while also you know, having

(01:23:27):
to do it at a pace is a sort of
a more practical answer to your question. But the pace
of a TV show and the volume of work that
we that we produce really in one hit takes sort
of almost like I guess, half a year when when
you're doing the acting and stuff. So it just really
has allowed me to really hone my skills as an

(01:23:49):
actor too. You know, there's there's that side of it
as well, And to really sit with something that the
character for this long and and really sort of understand
them so well is is kind of rare.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
I think find it's so intriguing. Your performance is so fabulous.
One minute, I begin to trust her. One minute I
think to myself, you know what, she understands the consequences
of her accents. She's she's sort of you know, she's
apologetic for the thing she's done. And the next I'm like, no,
she is. You'll say something, She'll slip, and she'll say
something and you go, no, she is still she still

(01:24:27):
holds onto these ideals and she is so cunning and manipula.
I just I just I love it because you just
keep me on my toes every episode. Did you learn
more about her and her uh and the origins of
her beliefs in this season? Splash backs aren't there?

Speaker 20 (01:24:49):
Yeah, yeah, you definitely do learn you do see kind
of there's there are some flashbacks actually that provide a
little more insight into into her. But yeah, yeah, she's
so she is just so complicated. I think one of
the one thing that came to when you were just
talking was she it feels like she flip flops a

(01:25:11):
lot sometimes, I mean to me anyway, because I think
sometimes she realizes how great, like how impactful her actions
have been and how awful the consequences have been and then,
and sometimes I think she's ready to see that, but
I think so often she's not ready to see or

(01:25:35):
understand that, and she purposefully it's a self protection mechanism
almost to just go right back into the narrow minded,
narcissistic viewpoint, to defend herself in her original belief system
that she believes was originally formed with good intention. And
she kind of protects herself in that way because to

(01:25:57):
admit her, to admit that she was wrong, would be
to see very widely the impact of her actions and
then have to face the shame and regret and grief
of what she's done. And I think, you know, you

(01:26:21):
can only be ready for so much, and in her journey,
she's only ready and very small increments to see these
kinds of things. So that's I think part of if
I can articulate the sort of push and Paul, that
would be one way to articulate it. I don't think
I've ever phrased it that way, which just sort of

(01:26:41):
occurred to me to articulate it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
For a show with these difficult and often dark themes,
and for the intensity and as you say, the speed
of it all and everything. Was it the fun show
to be on set for?

Speaker 20 (01:26:57):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, this set was so fun. It's
so fun. It's not you know. I mean, there's been
times in the earlier seasons where we had a rough
time with certain scenes, for sure, and it was just
kind of a dark day. But but no, everyone is
so fun and funny and wants to have a good time.
I mean there are scenes where we can't, oh my gosh,

(01:27:18):
especially in this last season, where we couldn't. I couldn't
even get through this one particular scene. I was dying
of laughter and I was I was terrible. I just
kept laughing. And one of the it was actually Brad's.
Brad had this line where he says rebellion at the end,
which ended up in the trailer. I don't know how

(01:27:39):
he kept a straight face because I was on the
other side laughing. I just couldn't keep a straight face.
And I was the most unprofessional I've ever been in
my entire life. But but it was it was funny.
But the whole problem was I had said, we came
to set, Brad and I and ever Carroting, who's also
in the scene which you'll see eventually, and I said,

(01:27:59):
why don't we read this in why don't we read
this in British accents? And and uh, and do it
as a melodrama? And that was enough that set us
off for the rest of the day and that and
it was terrible and we just couldn't couldn't get it
together by us, I mean mainly me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
For some reason, that just makes me feel better that
you enjoyed the whole process of Elizabeth Moss. Of course
is June and you know, central to the story, but
also steps behind the scenes and directs. Was that interesting
watching her do that process?

Speaker 20 (01:28:40):
Yeah, I mean that's been really inspiring, and in watching
her juggle the two worlds with with with grace, you know,
like she's really and she's got an amazing knack for
the directing. And it's very smooth sailing when she's doing it,
you know, because we are just so it's like a

(01:29:01):
well oiled machine, because we're so invested in these characters
and we have such a shorthand that it makes it
really easy for us to just kind of jump in
and go and we understand each other really well, we
understand how we all perform, I guess, and yeah, it's

(01:29:24):
it's been. I mean it's been just lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
Yeah, the show, The Handmaid's Tale and Gilliard have become
so symbolic. Do you think that the show has become
more than entertainment? Do you think that it really sort
of stands for something?

Speaker 8 (01:29:39):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (01:29:40):
Mi, one hundred percent. I think the show has become
way more than entertainment. I mean, this is one of
the things that's been so kind of like the wow
factor I think for us. I don't think anyone really
ever imagines that it would be so impactful, you know, globally.
I mean, it's also an incredible testament credit to Margaret

(01:30:02):
Outwood in her book and the relevance of it, and
you know, it was really I think eighty four eighty
five and how powerful it was then and then the
following years after that, and now we know, here we are,
We've made a TV show out of it, and it's
just really been incredibly meaningful and become you know, this

(01:30:25):
symbol of resistance and a voice for women, and the
colors of the Outfits have really taken on a whole
new meaning and persona out in the real world. So yeah,
it's it's kind of extraordinary to be part of something
that's had this kind of an impact.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
One of the main themes in the show, of course's motherhood. It's,
you know, this is a story of a woman June
and Serena, who will do anything they possibly can to
raise their children. Becoming a mum yourself. Did that kind
of heighten those themes for you while you were shooting?

Speaker 20 (01:31:09):
I mean, yeah, I think ultimately, inevitably, I think becoming
a mom sort of does influence you because you don't
you know, you don't understand that feeling of that love
that you feel for your child until you've got one,
So it's it's it's definitely there. I think one of

(01:31:30):
the interesting things about motherhood is how it kind of
forces you to self reflect on who you are as
a person and how people see you, because inevitably you think, well,
how is my child going to see me? What's going
to be their takeaway? And I think on a personal

(01:31:51):
level that's definitely been part of my journey, but also
it's I think it's part of Serena's journey as well,
like how is this little person going to see me?
What through what lends and and and all my actions?
How will they judge me? And how how will I

(01:32:12):
be able to justify, you know, my actions in front
of this baby, and maybe I can't. So it's time,
you know, it's time to have some serious self reflection,
to make some changes. So I think if there's any
if there was ever a time for Serena to make
some changes, it's this season. I think it's sort of
the question is how far will she take it?

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
And we can't wait to find out. Yvonne, thank you
so much for your time and thank you for the
amazing performance. It's been a pleasure to watch you over
six seasons.

Speaker 20 (01:32:40):
Thank you very much. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
And The Handmaid's Taylor's streaming now on Neon. The panel
is up next here on the Sunday Session.

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Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
All the highs and lows talking the big issues of
the week the panel on the Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
And on the panel today. I'm delighted to have News
Talk ZB Wellington morning hosts Nick Mills. How are you, Nick?

Speaker 6 (01:34:04):
I'm fantastic And it's a beautiful day in the cabinet today,
absolutely glorious, good to hear.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
And we're also doing by TV producer and commentator Irene Gardner.
Hi Irene Hi there.

Speaker 21 (01:34:14):
It's also a very beautiful day and.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
Auction wonderful, excellent right now. This happened quite quietly this week.
Labour MP Kiaren mcnaughty's bill to change rules around alcohol
sales on our public holidays Anzac Day, Good Good Friday, Easter,
Sunday and Christmas was voted through its first reading. It's
going to try and make the laws simpler and fairer

(01:34:36):
for businesses to operate on Easter. Nick, I just think,
let's just get on with this and get this done.

Speaker 6 (01:34:43):
Oh well, I mean I did this as a story
during the week and I didn't realize that Ireland, you know,
such a religious country, right, they actually voted through and
I think nineteen so twenty seventeen. I think it was
so like nearly ten years ago. We're so behind the times.
I'm going to celebrate. This is a huge winner that
carries off. And the fact that it's a conscience vote,

(01:35:04):
I think it'll get through. I don't think it' could
have got through otherwise, but the fact that everyone can
vote independently, I think it will get through. This is bizarre.
Next week we have one of our restaurants. We have
an act that we've had booked for months and you know,
we can't even sell alcohol for them well unless they're
having a meal. It just doesn't work financially for hospitality.

(01:35:25):
Tourists absolutely hate and laugh at us have done for
forty years. So this is great news and let's hope
it goes through. And for those of you that want
to go to church on Good Friday or want to
go to church today and be religious, I get it
and I support you one hundred percent. This won't affect you.
And I can promise you that working in hospitality over
the years which I have, it won't stop. If you

(01:35:47):
want to have Good Friday off for your own reasons,
no one's going to stop you from having it all.
So I think this is common sense prevailing arian.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
We're talking about four days, right, We're talking about four
days where if you want to have a drink you
have to buy a meal, and it gets really confusing
as to what those days are and things I do.
I do think it does simplify things. Yeah, you know,
and you can all make your own decision whether you
want to go out and socialize. You know you don't
have to, and you.

Speaker 21 (01:36:15):
Know, if you are a religious and moderate person, I
suppose just because you can buy a drinkers when you
have to. It's not compulsion and make it compulsory to
drink on these days. I mean, look, I don't actually
have strong feelings about it. I'm you know, I'm neither
a religious person nor someone who drinks so much that
I really particularly notice the kay is when you come.
But I think it's just you know, it's next year.

(01:36:37):
It kind of just makes sense from a kind of
business perspective. I means it's tough out there. It's really
really tough. Hospitality and society is that up? I suspect
not that people are going to a jet. I noticed
MacNulty saying, you know, if people feel strongly they'll exeept
Christmas Day. I thought, yeah, maybe that would sort of

(01:36:58):
make sense. I don't know, but I agree with it.

Speaker 6 (01:37:02):
I agree with you on Christmas Day too. If you
ever had to go up one day where you said, like,
you know, Christmas Days, Christmas Day. But once again, you know,
it's hundreds of thousands of travelers. They're traveling through in
the middle of out summer. They just want to go
out and have you know, a beer or maybe someone
to eat. But as soon as you've finished your meal,
you've got to slip up and get out. So if

(01:37:24):
it had to be one rule, Christmas Day would be it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Look, I think there's there's two completely different conversations when
it comes to alcohol that you can have. You can
have the conversation about alcohol, our culture of alcohol and
the abuse of alcohol and things like that. But it
doesn't fit with me when it comes to talking about
four days. Look, it doesn't doesn't feel like it makes
you know, like I don't see that as a reason,
you know that we should be talking about drinking. We

(01:37:50):
should should be able to have a day where you
don't necessarily have you know, have to have a drink
and you know, but I mean the thing is you're
still allowed to drink, it's just you have to buy
a meal. And it just gets really confused.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
I just think let's just get on with it and
move forward and everybody can make up their own mind
and spend their Easter in the anset, do and everything
exactly how they want to and be happy. Ah Trump
and the tariff turmoil continues, or the game of chicken
as it's sort of turning turning into now in America,
there are people irene who were doing their Christmas shopping

(01:38:22):
out of fear, the prices on goods on their you know,
the T shirts they want and the sneakers they want,
and well up until last night the iPhone that they
wanted all of a sudden was going to increase so dramatically,
I mean, and at that point in the panic or
are you just you know, I know, but like our
Prime minister taking a calm, measured.

Speaker 21 (01:38:41):
Approach, I think when I think New Zealand needs to
keep our head down and keep our heads down and
be very calm because it's such a moving face. You know,
initially it's everybody, and now there's a ninety day pause
and it's just ten apart from China because they bought back,
and then it's all electronics. They're excluded because you know that,
so honest to goodness, by Christmas we could all be

(01:39:02):
square one. I mean, absolutely anything could happen. So I
don't know that it's worth attempting to predict to anything
with your shopping or your money. And I would seriously
advise people who have shares not to be looking at
them on a take base.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
No, I just don't look at the care we saver
right now.

Speaker 6 (01:39:20):
Give it some time, definitely, but I think New Zealand
could be a winner out of this. I mean, I
think this is two things, and I've been obviously following
and covering it all week. There's two things. One, it's
absolute proof you never ever want an entrepreneur to be
president and Prime minister of your country because they just
that's how they think. What's happening through Donald trumpsk here

(01:39:42):
is exactly like every other entrepreneur. They've come up with
an idea and might not be a good idea. Change
that idea. So that's the first thing. The second thing
is for New Zealand. I think possibly we could buy
jags and messids and Chinese battery powered evs a hell
of a lot cheaper in six or twelve months than
we do now. I mean, just think about that. If

(01:40:04):
they're not going to be able to go into Americle
have to pay that tariff tariff to go into America,
imagine how how much cheaper there's going to be a
glut of those products. And where will they go. They'll
go to countries there's no terraff or they can get
them out to. So I think there is some upside
for it. I feel for the wine growers, and I
feel for the exporters, course I do, but it's ten percent.

(01:40:25):
That's not life changing. It's a little bit of pain,
but it's not life changing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Now care's a business owner. Have you stopped and thought
about how it could potentially affect you? You mean, I mean,
what would it affects?

Speaker 6 (01:40:40):
I mean one hundred percent, because you know the tourist industry,
you know, we just don't need You said it or
Iron said it. Hospitality and tourism there used to be
the number one earner for New Zealand.

Speaker 21 (01:40:50):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:40:51):
So now we've gone through COVID where we're all locked
out of our businesses for so much time. Then we
went through the recession. Now we've bought the Trump you know.
I mean, it's been on a horrible time and course
you do think about it. And as soon as you
feel like it's getting a little bit better, the interest
rates for coming down, people are starting to go out
a bit more bang. They get nervous again. They look

(01:41:12):
at the can we save? And so I haven't got
that much saving? Do I want to go out for
a meal today? Do I want to spend money? Can
I save? We do it ourselves and our own family.
Do we go out for our Sunday brunches as we
used to do? Well, we think about it twice now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
No, I think Nick is right. As in the Irene,
you know, we were all just starting to feel so
that there were some green shoots and we were caught
just you were so gently turning a corner and things
were starting to come right and maybe it would all
be okay.

Speaker 21 (01:41:38):
Yeah, clobal economy, Yeah great, it works so hard, We've
done so well.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
Anyway, I'll just waiting to see what happens in the next.

Speaker 6 (01:41:50):
Did I mention it's a beautiful day and Wellington.

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
Look, I think it's a beautiful day around the country
and we're going to celebrate that very quickly.

Speaker 22 (01:41:56):
Irene.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
The Philip Pokinghorn documentary starts this evening on three. I
was very I wasn't hugely excited about this because I
felt like we learned, you know, I really felt for
Pauline Hannah, and I felt like she was not huge
wasn't respected very much when we went through the court
case and the way the media covered it, and I

(01:42:19):
was really done with this case. But I've heard that
the documentary is quite respectful and sympathetic to her, I
will probably give it a look. Are you interested to
learn more?

Speaker 21 (01:42:28):
I will watch it, but but you know, of course
I watched documentaries because of my stay job, and it's
got a really good team of people behind it who
are good ripping bulls documentary makers. So and I absolutely
take your point, though I do hope that there is
a level of respect shown to pau Ling. I'm kind
of thinking this Stocco will probably do better internationally than

(01:42:51):
here because we've kind of had it up to the eyeballs,
whereas I mean, I don't mean to be trashy, but
you know those trashy true crime things that I watch
all the time on Netflix, et cetera, et cetera. Can
you just imagine this to the world story? I mean,
I've kind of had it all, didn't it. I mean,
I'm sorry get the treasure to say that, but it
really did. So, Yeah, Nick, should.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
We be platforming a murder accused?

Speaker 6 (01:43:13):
I think we've got to. We've got to see what
comes out of it. And Iron's right, I mean, BBC
are the best documentary makers in the world. Didn't come
I reckon New Zealand's very close to it. I think,
you know, a well done documentary made in New Zealand,
and I think the international world will watch it because
it'll be done well. I mean as a talkback coast.
Of course, I'm going to have to watch it. I
really just something about this case I really hated from

(01:43:35):
start to finish, and I still don't feel totally comfortable
with it. I'll keep my opinion to myself, but so
I will definitely be watching it, and I think it'll
be very very good viewing because it'll be it'll be
a very well made documentary because why because it's made
in New Zealm.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
I think we'll all have an opinion on it tomorrow morning.
Thank you both so much for joining us on the panel,
Nick Mills and Iron Gardner. Jason Pine is up next.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
That'd be congratulations to the more than six seven hundred
people who took on the christ Church Marathon this morning.
Whatever distance you completed, whether you ran or you walked
it blimen, good effort, Well done to you. I know
Jason Pine really wanted to be there running with you,
but we weren't sure whether he'd be finished before midday.

(01:44:28):
In order to host his show. So we said, hey, no,
not this year, Jason, just focus on your radio show.
He's going to be with you at midday, good morning.

Speaker 22 (01:44:37):
I think we can safely assume that I wouldn't have
been finished by midday midnight. I'm not quite sure. One
time they knock it on the head, but I would
definitely have still been out there at the time my
radio show was scheduled to begin.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
So much going on this weekend. Shall we start with
the women's rugby final? Yes, sighting game, loved it, loved it.

Speaker 22 (01:44:57):
Yeah, yeah, Blues back to back champions and I think
deservedly so. But the way Martatto took it to them,
particularly in the first twenty minutes, were twelve mill ahead
and then when enough yeah, and the Blues, Blues had
a player sent off, so matter two.

Speaker 14 (01:45:12):
You know, we're sort of just.

Speaker 22 (01:45:13):
Hammering away at the line late on and the Blues
were defending. It was a really really good game of rugby.
And look the Blues they take the spoils. As I say,
they go back to back. They now take on the
Warratars on Thursday at North Harbor for it's the first
time ever the New Zealand champions have played the Australian champion,
so that's a new innovation as well. But yeah, I
just thought it was a It was a terrific contiest

(01:45:34):
last night between clearly the two best sides and Opikie.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
Are you following the Supercars?

Speaker 22 (01:45:39):
I am, I am, I am following the Supercars. I'm
keeping eyes on that. I'm keeping eyes obviously on the
bar Rain Grand Prix, which is much more difficult because
it's about three in the morning's that's that's tough. But yeah,
I'm watching, I'm watching the Supercars. I think it's it's
great news that we're going to have two legs. By
the sounds of things, Opuna in christ Church about to
be locked in as the second New Zealand leg from

(01:46:00):
next year. The more the better as far as I'm concerned.
Matt Pain, of course, is our big hope. I said,
they've done qualifying for the sixty one lap of this
afternoon and he's qualified a wee way down. He's qualified sixth.
Matt Payne, Brodie Casteki will be on, Paul Cameron Hill
and Anton depisqually will be two and three and another
keewy Ryan Wood. So yeah, sixty one lap of this afternoon,

(01:46:21):
looking forward to that going just after three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
What you got on the show?

Speaker 22 (01:46:25):
Do you reckon we should bid for the Rugby World
Cup again? Yes, the next available one looks to me
to be two thousand and thirty nine, which is a
wee way away, But I think we need to get
ducks into rows nice and early. We know twenty seven's Australia,
twenty thirty one, the United States, twenty thirty five from
all reporters going back to Europe, but I honestly, I

(01:46:48):
know there are lots of obstacles in the way, and
you know, what it costs in twenty eleven and nineteen
eighty seven will pale as to what it will cost
to get it here in twenty thirty nine or even
beyond that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
But if there's a nation that's going to appreciate it,
it's us. As I mean, it's not that that's more
at French that many braces that people really want to
watch rugb We did bring it, bring it to the
heart of rugby. We love our rugby, you know, and
it brings people to the country and everyone who's a
good tour and make sure we you know, spread it
around the country and if we have to throw a
bit of Dozzie in in the early rounds, if we need.

Speaker 22 (01:47:21):
To all right, well that look, I've retort that. Now
I've written all that down, I am going to get
the view of former Prime Minister Helen Clark after midday
on this because she was of course part of the
successful bid team in twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
So it's not an even park after.

Speaker 22 (01:47:35):
Our Yes, yes, I hear what you're saying, but I
will still value her opinion and the opinion of our
audience too.

Speaker 14 (01:47:43):
So we got there.

Speaker 22 (01:47:43):
We've got rugby, we've got football, we got Supercars, Formula One,
and the Warriors play this afternoon too, Lee against the
Storm at four o'clock.

Speaker 14 (01:47:51):
So heeps on all go.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Thank you so much, Jason, have a great show. Jason's
back at midday with Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
A little bit of Lady Gaga. She has opened coach
Halla twenty twenty five. This is where all the cool
people are this weekend in Palm Springs. It's where Megan
was last weekend having a ball, and she joins me, Now,
good morning, lady.

Speaker 16 (01:48:32):
Gaga is the only name I recognized from the entire lineup.
I don't know if you don't, I don't know any
They say it's all quite rape and DJ sets and
stuff these days.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
So well, I'm sure that Palm Springs this weekend is
a little bit different to how it was the last weekend. Yeah,
it's a good.

Speaker 16 (01:48:51):
Over two weekends in a row and then people stay
during the week to do it all. Yeah, there's a
great spot. So it takes about two and a half
hours to drive there from Los Angeles Airport, pretty much
straight out east into the desert to the foothills of
this San Jacinto Mountain Range, which is actually such a
high mountain range that today I just checked it's thirty

(01:49:12):
four degrees as we speak. But there is snow at
the top of that mountain that's right in town that
you can just take an aerial tramway four kilometers long
is the aerial part, and there's a cafe and restaurant
up there. So that's actually a really great spot where
the locals hit when the temperatures get into the forties,
which you know, it's only April, so that's going to

(01:49:34):
be happening soon. We actually had had perfect weather there
last week. It was in about the mid twenties, so
lovely time to be out and about.

Speaker 5 (01:49:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:49:41):
Yeah, you need that when you when you're traveling, because
you just do so much walking and exploring and you know,
suddenly you find twenty five degrees hoofed. You need to
have a sit down, let alone thirty five and forty five,
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
What I love about this area is the Josher Tree
National Park. There's a stunning place.

Speaker 21 (01:50:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
That takes about an hour.

Speaker 16 (01:50:02):
Yeah, drive too, Yeah, and it is stunning and you
can actually just drive through it. You do have to
stop and get a ticket for your car and stuff.
Those trees look like something out of the Doctor Zoospok,
the Lorex or something, you know. And there's lots of
little areas you can pull over and part these picnic spots.
You can go ab sailing and repelling down the big
boulders massive for bottles, or you can just climb up

(01:50:23):
them if you want. That's really amazing. And I'd say
get there earlier in the day because that really is
the desert. And we got there by about ten am
and we got able to drive sort of straight through,
but by the time we were leaving, cars were lining
up to get into the park, so a good tip
would be getting that done early. And then there's a
really fun saloon bar called Peppy and Harriet's on the

(01:50:47):
way out, which I would totally suggest pop it in
your map and stop there for lunch and just get
a burger. And there's got live music and they smoke
the meats and it's a really good spot. In fact,
you can't make a reservation, so I rocked up with
fifteen people and they were like, we've just seated forty,
so no, sorry, no.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
And a lot of golf courses as well, more.

Speaker 16 (01:51:09):
Than a hundred, and you know we're out in the
desert here, so you're talking about the watering system designed
by all the pros. So if you're on a golfing holiday,
Palm Springs is a great spot. Of course, there's the
mid century modern architecture. It's you know, you can do
a bit of culture and a bit of a bit
of fitness, and you can even go out to the
San Andreas fault Line, which about six of the ladies

(01:51:32):
on my tour did, and they absolutely loved it. Foraging
and eating the crispy little leaves. I've done it a
few years ago and that's quite fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
Just so much to do, Megan. Thank you so much, Meghan.
We'll have a blog up on this at blogger at
large dot com. Should be covering off palm springs for
you there. If you want a little bit more information.
It is eleven to twelve.

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Speaker 7 (01:52:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
You have got a book by Abigail dene It's called
The Death of Us.

Speaker 8 (01:52:07):
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Speaker 23 (01:52:07):
It's her third book and it shows again how talented
she is at taking traumatic events in someone's life and
then trying to make sense of them. The first one
she did was called Girl A and it was modeled
on a family in California that listeners may remember a
few years ago, the Turpin family where twelve kids were
found being held in what became known as the House

(01:52:29):
of Horrors, and Girl A was modeled on that real
life story.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
That's right right.

Speaker 23 (01:52:34):
In this one, you've got Isabelle and Edward, who are
thirty years old. They're happily married when an intruder perpetrates
a home invasion which changes everything. And throughout much of
this book, Isabelle speaks directly to the guy who did it,
talking as though he's in the room, and telling him
about the ongoing impact that he's had on her life.
And I think it's a really clever literary device because

(01:52:55):
you hear and feel everything with her in the context
of him. But there are other voices as well. The
stories told in three parts, there are different points of view.
There's the past and the present, and you realize that
this was truly a love story which was shattered by
a meaningless act of violence, and the author explores the
impact of that on them and on their relationship, about

(01:53:16):
how so much was lost, but then as life goes on,
so much is also found. They've gone on to different
lives and Isabelle couldn't put it behind her, but Edward
decides twenty years later to attend the trial which is
finally taking place, to see justice done and to see
what they can solve it from it. Overall, I would
say this is a book which clearly has some dark moments,

(01:53:38):
but it's actually a story about survival and love and
how love can survive so much that gets thrown.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
At it, and not based on a true story, I
don't believe so right, Okay, I love a good spy thrillery.
You've got one for us today, A Spy at War
by Charles Beaumont.

Speaker 23 (01:53:55):
Yes, this is great. So the Russia Ukraine War is
in full swing, with social media and disinformation amongst the
smartest weapons being used, and there's a range of mercenaries
and other vested interests all jockeying for position. And a
guy called Simon Shalman is a former British spy who's
gone rogue to try and track down the Chechen assassin

(01:54:15):
who murdered his friend and business partner, Evy, And he
thinks he's on a solo mission, but actually his friends
and former colleagues at Whitehall are never many steps behind,
and it turns out there's a lot more going on
than his solitary pursuit of the bad guy. British intelligence,
of course, has its fingers and lots of pies, and

(01:54:36):
it takes Simon quite a while, too long really to
figure out what where he sits in their scheme. But
as it's set amongst the war in Ukraine and the
kind of headlines that we've been seeing for three years now.
This takes you right up close to some of the action,
and I've got to say the commentary that it makes
on US and European politics right at the moment could

(01:54:59):
be said to be prescient great espionage. As you said,
we both love a good spy story. If you love
David mclaus, Oh, yes, Ido, who did Damascus Station and
Moscow X and so on, or I S. Berry who
did The Peacock and the Sparrow, which many of us
have loved, then this book is for.

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
You, brilliant. Thank you so much, Joe. In those two books,
The Death of Us by Abigail Dean and A Spy
at War by Charles Beaumont, which took next week, see.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
Thank you so much for joining us this morning on
the Sunday Session. Coming up next weekend, reb Fountain is
touring the country after releasing her album How Love Bens.
She's going to be in the studio with us, and
she has agreed to perform a song for us which
would be very exciting, a lovely way to spend Easter Sunday,
and we're also going to have the team behind All
Keller No Fill at the Crime podcast with us as well.

(01:55:55):
So we're going to end with a little bit of
music from reb Fountain. This is her song City. Up next,
Jason Fine is with you with Weekend Sport take me
through till three. Thank you very much to Carrie and
Levy for produce sen the show, and enjoy the rest
of your Sunday afternoon. Take care.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
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