Full Show Podcast: 20 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session. I am
Franchesca vradcon with you until midday. So historic win this
morning for Emirates Team New Zealand becoming the first team
and Modern has to lift the trophy the America's Cup
three times in a row as they've been. Ainsley said,
I think they're the best team ever in the America's Cup,
so it is quite some achievement. We will talk America's

(00:59):
Cup shortly. Also on the show's day, British actress Jimmy
Addington joins us. Jimmy, She's done it all. She's starred
in blockbusters, Quantum of Solace, Hansoon and Gretel, and The
King's Man, as well as indie films like Summer Land
and also the TV show Funny Woman. She joins me
to reflect on her career and talk about working with
Sir Ann McCallon on her latest film, The Critic said

(01:21):
Jemma Arterton is with us after ten. Andrew Fagan joins
me after eleven to talk about his last epic adventure
on his beloved boat, Swirly World. You might remember this.
Two thousand and twenty two, Andrew sets out for Auckland
in his tiny five point one meter sloop his yacht
Swirly World and Perpetuity, in an attempt to set the
world record for the smallest boat to sail solo around

(01:43):
the world via the Great Capes. It didn't go according
to plan, but Andrew has written a beautiful book about
his time on the ocean. It's called Swirly World, Lost
at Sea. It's the third in his Swirly trilogy. I'm
really looking forward to talking to Andrew about the joys
and the fears of endurance sailing, and as always, love
to hear from you throughout the morning. You're most welcome
to text on ninety two.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Ninety two the Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
So it's not over yet, but just maybe there is
light at the end of the darline Tana drama tunnel,
please let it be. The Green Party has their own
uniquely democratic and patient way of reaching a decision. But
seven months and running to get the sort. It is
surely testing even their limits, so it was good to
see this week a consensus of delegates agree to use

(02:32):
the Walker Jumping Law or the Electoral Integrity Clause in
the Electoral Act to eject Tana. The CO leaders have
now written to Speaker Jerry Brownley asking him to trigger
the law and eject her from Parliament. This issue has
been a huge drag for the party and good on
them for making a change of heart. They would obviously
prefer not to be in this position, but recognize this

(02:53):
was the quickest way of getting to what they believe
is the right outcome, the removal of Tana from Parliament.
It has been a year of dealing with hr setbacks
and issues for the Greens, the resignation of Golery's government
at the beginning of the year, followed by the election
for a new co letter after James Shaw's resignation, and

(03:13):
multiple complaints about Julian and Genter's behavior. But the most
damaging and long running distraction has been the removal of
a list MP they found to be completely odd with
their party's values and policies, or Co Pepper. For a
very principled party, It is not a good lock to
reverse their opposition to a law that they have opposed
since its first version was passed in two thousand and one.

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But the Greens aren't the first and won't be the
last party to about face on a law or policy.
Flexibility about principles is not something that comes as naturally
to the Greens as other political parties, but it has
always been part of politics, and let's be honest. An
independent report didn't work. Letters and public appeals from the

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Green's leaders didn't work. Talking about how Tana has distorted
the proportionality of the House didn't work. Public opinion hasn't worked.
If it wasn't so self serving, you'd admire Tana's tenacity
in refusing to go. So the Greens have been left
with little choice but to embrace the ugly old party
hopping law. Of course, it's not over yet. There is

(04:17):
an appeal to sort out, and then it's up to
the Speaker. Even though this crazy year hasn't significantly impacted
the Greens and the polls, they will be keen to
put this behind them. They can then get on with
Swarbrook's plan to evolve the Greens into a party that
can lead to the government in the not so distant future,
and no doubt this cautionary tale will have all political
parties quietly mulling over how to make sure their processes

(04:39):
for selecting list candidates is as robust as they can be.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
The Sunday Session, most welcome to.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Text me this morning. Look as a voter or as
a Green voter. You're concerned about the change of heart
shown by the Green Party or like me, do you
just see this is a sensible way of sorting out
this long running issue and just trying to draw a
line under it and move on. We are going to
head to Barcelona next to celebrate Team New Zealand's third
consecutive win of the America's Cup. You're with the Sunday Session.

(05:11):
It's twelve past.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Nine, Relex, It's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
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Speaker 2 (05:22):
It'd be It is fifteen past nine. Victory for Team
New Zealand overnight.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
You better believe it. The three peat is complete. An
amorates Team New Zealand win.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
The Louis Wittall thirty seventh America's.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Chop a thirty seven second win over Pretania this morning,
giving them the win seven to two. After the race,
Peter Berling spoke to media, one.

Speaker 6 (05:50):
Incredible day, incredible campaign, and Artista said, all come together in.

Speaker 7 (05:54):
The such a I was supposed tight race.

Speaker 8 (05:57):
I like today I'm odding another one on the board
round out of that match point something we're incredibly proud of.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
And his Britannia's Sir Ben Ainsley.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Done to Team New Zealand. I mean, what an amazing
campaign and team and in my view that I think
they had the best team ever in the America's Cup,
so that's quite some achievement. So well done to them
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Here with sports reporter Chris Reeve is in Barcelona and
he joins me, now, good morning, hello, how are you
really good? Thank you? So three in a row, a
seven to two win. How good is this team?

Speaker 8 (06:32):
They're pretty good today. You just had to look at
how well they sailed the boat. It was a tricky
day out there today. We weren't expecting to get racing
as early in the day as we did. Some people
weren't expecting to get any racing at all, and to
go out on a day like today and put well,
they put most of the shifts together and came out

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with a pretty convincing win in the end, and that
really just summed up the whole Cup match. They sailed
the boat really really well and they were just too
good for any Ospritannia in the end.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Such a big build up and then after all that,
it kind of feels like it was over and done
with quite quickly.

Speaker 8 (07:13):
Yeah, it's interesting, like the whole regetta has gone on
for about a month and a half, nearly two months
now if we include the preliminary Rageda in Barcelona. But yeah,
it is a little bit like that. Now that the
match is over, it's like, oh, okay, well now it's
kind of just gone, yeah, we're done, onto the next one.

Speaker 7 (07:33):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, we'll talk about that in the moment. So Ben
Ainsley post Race said that he thought that the team
New Zealand is the best team ever in the America's Cup.
Do you agree.

Speaker 8 (07:45):
Oh, it's a long history in the America's Cup, but
you know, no team has ever won three in a
row until today, so that definitely puts them up there
among the greatest teams of all time. To compete in
this and by the looks of things, you know they've
got a young team as well, so they could be
around for another campaign or two year.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
So what gives Team New Zealand an edge? Is it
the technology? Is it the boat? Is it the ability
to read the wind? Is it a bit of luck?

Speaker 8 (08:17):
I think it's a little bit of everything. In the
America's Cup, the defender gets a big advantage in the
fact that they get to set the rules, they get
to choose what boat they're sailing in. The AC seventy five,
which they're sailing at the moment, was something designed by
the Team New Zealand Defender the designers, so they know

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the boat, they know what they're working with. But the
team have been sailing together for a long long time.
They're very familiar with each other. They sail both America's
Cup and a lot of the sailors also make up
the New Zealand sale GP team as well, so they're
very familiar with each other. And Nathan Alteridge came into
this campaign who hasn't sailed with them a lot, but

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has sailed against the team a lot, and he's really
helped them to build the communication they needed to I
guess navigate these tricky conditions. We heard it throughout the
week that just how much talk was going on on board,
and I think that was a really good summary of
what makes this team work is just the communication. They're
all on the same page and that they know their

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roles and they know how to make the boat go fast.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Chris, how have you found Barcelona as a venue?

Speaker 8 (09:27):
Oh, it's been great purely from a sporting point of view.
I thought Barcelona was a fantastic venue. The sea state
just adds another element of well, I guess fun for
me as a spectator, you never know whether it's going
to fit with the wind or whether it's just going
to be doing its own thing, how high the waves
are going to get, so it's something we don't see

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a lot of in New Zealand. And then on top
of that, the wind has just been so unpredictable. Like
I said, we weren't expecting to get a lot of
racing in today and we only had to wait forty
minutes for that breeze to fill in. So it's been
quite a fun, quite a fun re had to follow.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
What did the youth and women's regattas bring to the mix.
This time.

Speaker 8 (10:13):
Yeah, it was good to see the youth come back.
I think there were some teething issues there that the
French team. They had some issues with their boat, and
I think they only sailed in about two of the
six races, so probably a few things to work on there.
The women's event, I feel like they might feel like
they were a little bit short changed because they just

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did not get any help from the wind at all.
They ended up having to cram a lot of the
back end of that regatta in over sort of a
one evening so that it would all run to schedule.
So I think it was a good introduction. It was
nice to see a women's event finally on the America's
Cup stage. But I feel like they'll look at what's

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gone on here and hopefully work on that for the
next campaign, because it would be great to see both
of those regattas included next time.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Grant Dalton has seen he's keen for a quick turnaround
for the next America's camp to be ready to go,
even as early as twenty twenty six. When would you
expect to see the next defense? Do you think.

Speaker 8 (11:18):
I tend to run on just the usual four year
cycle until I see otherwise. I definitely would not be
surprised to see things turned around very quickly, especially because
they are keeping the same class of boat. They've got
enough teams who are interested and want to know how

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quickly they're going to need to turn things around. And
I think if they're looking to turn it around quickly,
they must have an idea of venue as well. Barcelona
could be an option. There have been other options thrown
about as well. The Middle East has come up a
few times, so it'll be interesting to see what unfolds
there in the next few weeks, because it does sound

(11:59):
like there is conversations going on.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, and look we're hearing some competitors are calling for
an annual regatta of some sort. Is that how they
keep people interested in this form of competitive racing while
we do wait for the next Cup?

Speaker 8 (12:13):
Yeah, I think there needs to be more racing in
the next cycle, and that's a very familiar thought amongst teams.
There was only three preliminary regattas before the main event
this time around, and I feel like over a four
year cycle they probably need a little bit more just
to if nothing else, to at least give the sailors

(12:33):
an opportunity to build their on water skills rather than
simply in practice or working on the boat to getting
that race sort of mentality locked in more throughout the
full campaign as opposed to trying to hone it in
over just a couple events thrown in here.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
And there is there any chance the next defense could
be here in New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (12:58):
You never say no. A lot of things that need
to happen, But I'm sure Team New Zealand will always
have a have a open line for a New Zealand
event for the government and whoever else they need to
put that on. I wouldn't be surprised if they looked
for potentially a preliminary together if they didn't want to

(13:21):
bring the full event back, I think a preliminary agetta
would be a good way to go as well. So
I'm sure that's in the thinking. But we're have to
wait and see what happens next.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well, I'm sure there's a lot of celebrating going on
in Barcelona tonight. Thank you so much for your time, Chris,
really appreciate it. Oh No Worries and Team New Zealand
have confirmed that a challenger has been accepted by the
Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron for the next edition of
the Cup, meaning there is already an official challenge of record.
They haven't said who it will be, and they said

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look at it. In a couple of weeks time, we'll
be making an announcement and putting out a timetable on
when decisions will be made about where the next Cup
could potentially be in things. So there we go, exciting.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
The Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Nursing students rallied across the country yesterday calling on the
government to invest in their futures. The action was around
the lack of financial support for students while completing their
clinical placements. But funded clinical training isn't the only issue
facing nurses. They are also saying is a shortage of
jobs once they're fully trained. So taught me through the situation.
I'm joined by student nurse Shannon Bristow. Thanks for your

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time this morning.

Speaker 9 (14:33):
Shannon, Hi, nos at all, Hi, how are you going good?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Thank you?

Speaker 8 (14:37):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Let's start with the rally yesterday calling for funding for
financial assistance for student nurses during clinical placements. How much
financial pressure our student nurse has been put under.

Speaker 9 (14:49):
Student nursing students are sorry and this insurance is under
quite a significant amount of financial pressure throughout their three
years of their degree. I think at the moment we
need to realize that the cost of living has gone
up such a significant amount that while you're through your degree,
you don't actually have the costs to meet the basic

(15:10):
necessities of living or supporting yourself with your far no.
So we're definitely finding that there's quite a significant dropout
rate when students are studying. They actually don't even get
through the degree because the burden is such such a
great so greatly out.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Shannon taught me through the clinical placements, how long do
they last and are you working full time for that period?

Speaker 9 (15:34):
Yea, The placements vary throughout your three years. I've just
finished a twelve week placement and that is full times
to the students that are on their placements. It is
full time while you are on that time, and then
students are also having to try and work on top
of that if they are able to. However, a lot
of the time it's not actually possible to do your

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clinical placement and then go to a job afterwards because
the burnout is so significantly great. So you're looking at
doing that eight and a half hour shifts of forty
hours a week, then on top of it having to
try and go and find work elsewhere if you can.
But then you're looking at working and studying forty hours
a week and then working on top of it, so
you're doing seven days a week, sometimes quite hute hours.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, and there's no payment for those clinical placements.

Speaker 9 (16:24):
There's no payment for those, but.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
They're obviously a really critical part of the training, right.

Speaker 9 (16:29):
Definitely, definitely, it's where you put all your learning into practice,
and you're earn so much on those practices as well,
so it's something that you need to be doing it.
You've got to meet those hours to be able to
actually learn the job and do the job.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
So I can see how stressful that's going to be
and how difficult it is to manage. You either try
and find some work outside of that or somehow you've
got you've got to get yourself prepared so that you
can cope with those twelve weeks stunts. I suppose is
that how you.

Speaker 9 (16:56):
Manage it pretty much even outside of the placement. So
you're still studying full time for those three years, so
you're in classes, You've got such a great study loads
you've got your sims on top of it, so even
working during those times is proving to be quite difficult
for students. You've also got students that are studying later
in life. A lot of Maori tell would to study

(17:16):
later in life, so they do have families that they
need to support on top of it. So despite the
fact that we might not be on placements for the
entire time over three years, you've still got to manigat
a balance and be there for your finance and support
your finot So, yeah, it's not just the placements that
people are struggling to finance themselves and it's just a
great it's stout a lot harder in those moments. You've

(17:38):
also three years in general, Yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Whole thing altogether. Yeah, you've also opened up about a
shortage of jobs on once you graduate. What is the
situation there.

Speaker 9 (17:48):
So the situation is the government has put on a
hiring freeze as such, So the intake that happened midway
through the year and my intake, there's no jobs really
going it. Also for our classes, you're looking at under
quarter of the class that will actually be able to
be offered a position moving into their So you've fought
for the three years to get through the degree, and

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now we're faced with the future of not even knowing
if we can get a job, and it's not as
easy as moving into another town, moving into another city.
I've heard of students that have tried to apply in
other areas but they haven't even been offered that interview
because obviously the students that are stunning in that area,
the priority has given to them as a job available.
A lot of students are also speaking about moving over

(18:32):
to Australia. However, again it's not the case for everyone
that can just do that. Then the huge cost and
again you've got your families to support. We also don't
want to be losing all of our homegrown students to
Australia because we need our homegrown workforce.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
So what are you hearing from student nurses? What are
they planning to do after graduation?

Speaker 9 (18:51):
Some students, as I said, some students are looking at
moving to Australia if they can, and other students are
just now trying to figure out how on earth they're
going to meet meet their finances. Because if you are
a student that has been eligible for a student I
live in cost or student allow that gets cut as
soon as your degree is finished, which is before we
actually have to set our state exam, so any finances

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that you might be eligible for from the government get
cutless as the degree is finished, You've still got up
to a month before you're going to be sitting that exam,
so in between that time, you're having to try and
find a way to support yourself, not even knowing if
you're going to be able to get a job after
the exam and after you pass your state.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
It feels like we've had really mixed messages Shannon, that
we had a shortage of nurses. We were really encouraging
people to go into the industry. Has a situation changed
since you started training? Is it changed quickly?

Speaker 9 (19:42):
I think that the government is saying that we're in
that we're not in a shortage of nurses, But I
think if you come in in the hospital or in
any area that the nurses, you'll see that they're a shortage.

Speaker 10 (19:51):
Show.

Speaker 9 (19:53):
Yeah, the Health Minister is saying that he is training
our own, homegrown, culturally competent house workforce, including nurses, as
important to the government, but we're not seeing the action
in that. So it's really you know, he's the right words,
but there's no actually action behind it. Because there is
a shortage, there is a burnout, and we need to
be focusing on supporting our nursing workforce and the future

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of our workforce because we need a homegrown nurses. So
nothing's changed apart from the fact we do need nurses.
We have a shortage of nurses and we need to
prioritize ensuring we can keep our current nurses and grow
our future workforce.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Shannon, thank you so much for your time this morning.
Really appreciated. Of course, this isn't a new issue, is it.
We've been hearing about the pressures on nursing students and
placements and been able to afford to train for a
long time now, and it's great to hear that we've
got all these willing nurses training, but yeah, we need
to get them into jobs. Thank you, Shannon. It is

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Speaker 3 (22:12):
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Speaker 2 (22:21):
Green Party delegates decided on Thursday to use the walker
jumping law against Darling Tanner if she refuses to quit Parliament,
and it is now up to the Speaker to decide
whether the threshold for triggering the law has been met.
How long will this take? News Talks he'd be Political
editor Jason Walls joins us now, good morning.

Speaker 11 (22:38):
Talk, good morning.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Can you answer that question for me? How long will
this take?

Speaker 8 (22:41):
Ah?

Speaker 12 (22:42):
The only man in the entire country that knows how
long it's going to take is one Jerry Browne, Speaker
of the House, and the matter is now entirely in
his hands. I tried to get in contact with him
earlier this week to just try and answer that very
simple question, and he basically said that he is considering
the process now. And we don't actually have any template
on this one either, because this is the first time

(23:03):
the walker jumping legislation has actually been used. We've had
a number of rogue MPs over the years, think Jamie
Lee Ross, Gudav Shaarnama, Elizabeth Keerdy Kendy and of course,
now we have darleyen Tanna, but this is the first
time that the Woker jumping legislation is going to be used.
A not so subtile hint of irony here, given it
was the Green Party who was so verhemently against this.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Legislation from the start.

Speaker 12 (23:27):
In fact, they spoke openly about how anti democratic it was.
And now lo and behold, they're the ones that are
the first ones using it. So we don't actually know
what's happening next apart from the fact that it's in
Jerry Brownley's court, because we're pretty much in uncharted territory
right now.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Does it impact the Green's reputation? Do you think, listen?

Speaker 12 (23:48):
I think this saga has been dragging out for so
long that a lot of people have basically forgotten the
fact that they were so adamantly against this legislation and
all they know now is that they're just trying to
get rid of Darley in Tanna. So that's why it's
so important for people like myselves to keep reminding people
what the situation was not through four years ago when
the Greens were so against it. But we've seen the

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polls move up and down over the last seven months
or so how long this story has been running for.
So I think it's had an impact on the party,
But we're still two years away from an election, so
I think that they can bounce back absolutely.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Hey, Jason Andrew Bailey, he tried to front foot this
week an incident that happened at the beginning of the month,
because he knew it was going to become public, and
it felt like he'd been media trained into how to
try and front foot this and it really came across
as very clumsy in a little bit weird, to be
honest with you.

Speaker 12 (24:41):
Well, the whole situation did have a bit of a
curious feeling. I mean, any news that drops on a
Friday afternoon you automatically become quite skeptical of. I mean
that's because the weekend is the great news cleanser. It
essentially the news radar restarts on a Monday, and things
that drop on a Friday afternoon very rarely actually get
any more coverage. So I think that could be what

(25:02):
the media plan for this one was. And then he
did this interview with Heather Duplicy Allen where he really
wouldn't get into any details about what happened or the
allegations within this letter, and he challenged a couple of things,
but for the most part he just said that it
was a silly thing to do and he was sorry.
And that is of course a couple of A couple
of weeks ago, he was at a ministerial visit where
he allegedly there was a visiting I think it was

(25:26):
a warehouse and there was one person that was still
working and he went up to him and essentially said, oh,
come have a drink, take some wine and f off
home if you're not going to stay, if you're not
going to come, have a drink, and then did the
L sign on his forehead and repeated the word loser, loser, loser. Now,
Andrew Bailey is pushed back on the fact that he
used the F word, But you know this, he did

(25:47):
front foot, He did come out and apologize and the
Prime Minister said he's very disappointed and said there'll be
no demotions or anything like that. It's a silly move
for a minister of the Crown. I mean, you should
never say these sorts of things. However, I don't think
it was a Dunham malice. I don't think that if
you read it in the Black and White. It wasn't
him having a real go. It does seem like he
was having a bit of a joke, a bit of

(26:08):
a play around.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
About He could have come out and kind of explained
it a bit more naturally and it kind of wouldn't
have been such a big deal, but it just sounded
he was sort of definitely kind of trying to stick
to message with it. Jason, love you to have you
back on the show. Thank you for your time this morning.
It is twenty one to.

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Speaker 2 (26:32):
Thank you very much for your text. Just a few
here on the nurses. Having had a long varied career
as the last of the hospital trained nurses, we were
paid all the way through as part of the workforce
and a job was there at the end. Maybe the
change in model has not been so successful. Certainly in
some countries they have reverted back. Thanks Lynn. Another one here,
DHBs don't want to run new grad programs far too costly,

(26:53):
want experienced nurses. Vicious cycle. That was from Susie retired
nurse and high dieticians and doctors in the last year
are the same as nurses doing weeks in the hospital
for no pay after five plus years of study. So
thank you for very much. So feel free to tecks
anytime throughout the morning. On ninety two ninety two right
found it. In twenty fifteen, designer Wardrobe has become the

(27:13):
go to platform for buying and selling pre loved high
end designer fashion. It's been hugely successful. We're three hundred
and twenty five thousand kere We users. Designer Wardrobe has
now announced that they're expanding across the testament. This is
a good news retail story. CEO Aidan Bartler is worth
me now, good.

Speaker 13 (27:31):
Morning, Oh hi frand Jessilla, how's it going good?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Thank you?

Speaker 14 (27:35):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
So is now a good time for expansion?

Speaker 13 (27:39):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, it's like when you
zoom out. It is a tough economic climate. However for
design and wardrobe, you know, we have been really cool
to see increase demand and some of that demand has
actually come from Australia and for us, it's just saying hey,
look we believe in this, in this platform and where

(28:01):
it can go, and so just you know, pushing that
button and doing it now rather than waiting just makes
a lot of sense for us.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, I mean so many positives about it. I mean,
what have you seen in recent times with New Zealand business?
I mean, has the cost of living potentially played into
your hands? People are looking for a bargain, you know,
or you know, looking for second hand items.

Speaker 15 (28:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (28:23):
Absolutely, I think there is a growing appetite for pre
love because it does have a lot of benefits. Part
of it is that cost saving, especially in a tough
economic climate like right now. However, there's also just a
growing interest in pre love in terms of its environmental benefits.

(28:44):
You know, textile waste is huge. It's the second biggest
contributor in the world, and buying pre loved means you're
not essentially buying you and creating all that waste all
over again.

Speaker 16 (28:56):
You know.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
For example, you know.

Speaker 13 (28:57):
Pains is fifty bathtubs worth of water. So there's a
lot that goes into producing a new item. And if
you can just make an atom last longer, then that's
a great thing.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
As I mentioned in the intro, you launched in twenty fifteen,
so almost into double digits is a business. What sets
you apart from the likes of trade me and Facebook
and Marketplace.

Speaker 13 (29:20):
Yeah, absolutely, it's really exciting to actually have hit those
those double digits. We've certainly had a lot of you know,
up and downs of the business and you know, we
haven't been in the recent economic times as well, so
you know, we're really thankful to be where we are
in terms of what sets us apart. But trade me
is great, but it's really set for all categories.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
You know.

Speaker 13 (29:43):
For example, you could buy you know, your Nike shoes
on there, but essentially you can also buy a tractor,
you know. And for us, it's more about being super
hyper specialized and fashion and predominantly woman's fashion, and then
the other part of the business that we've had a
huge we'll put a lot of effort into as trust.

(30:05):
So when you purchase something on Designer Wardrobe, you're not
paying that seller directly like you would on other platforms.
You actually pay Designer Wardrobe and we hold your payment
until you've actually received the item and then we pay
the seller. So it's really that hyper specialization and the
trust factors what has really set us apart come over

(30:26):
the past ten years.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
And I know that I mentioned before sort of the
cost of living in more recent pressures on how we
spend our dollar and things. But over the last ten years,
in terms of the demand for pre love clothing, what
have you seen.

Speaker 13 (30:41):
Yeah, it's a category that's grown exponentially. It grows roughly
fifteen to twenty percent annually, which is huge. I mean
that's on a global level too.

Speaker 8 (30:53):
Certainly.

Speaker 13 (30:54):
One of the things that played positively into it as
well was covid as well. You know, everybody was at
home and they had both more time to actually list
the items in their closet that they weren't wearing, but
also everybody had shop online and that really helped sort
of catapult people getting apart or being part of the

(31:15):
pre loved what you know, what we call pre love,
and then also seeing that continue on post codes. But yeah,
certainly the cost of living, you know, everybody's got less
money to spend essentially, so again we're not immune to it,
but you know, we do have a really great offering
in terms of being able to buy really smartly, and

(31:36):
typically when you buy something on Design and Wardrobe it's
you know, up to sixty percent off the retailer, So
there was really great value there.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Aiden does this broaden the market and clothes available to kiwis.
Will people be able to buy from both sides of
the testament or are the two sites separate.

Speaker 13 (31:51):
Yeah, that's a good question. That was actually a really
big decision for us, like whether or not we make
it essentially to marketplaces or a single marketplace. What we
arrived at was there's a lot of cross pollination between
brand Like Australians love some of the big giving brands
like Ruby and Karen Walker and Stolen Girlfriends and those

(32:13):
sort of brands, and at the same time, a lot
of New Zealanders love, you know, the big Australian brands
like like Zimmerman and those sort of brands. So for
us it was like, can we make a really great
experience where you know, someone from New Zealand could send
something to Australia and vice versa, And we arrived at yes,
we certainly can. So when you actually sell something to
an Australian on Designer Wardrobe, you can actually book the

(32:37):
shipping within Designer Wardrobe, so you don't have to fill
out all the customs forms or anything like that. So
we've taken a lot of the friction away while also
meaning that you can have a lot more optionality in
terms of what you can buy and you if you're
selling something, you know there's a lot more buyers out
there too.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Aiden, thank you so much for your time today and
best of luck.

Speaker 13 (32:59):
Yeah, thanks so much, Francesco.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
That was Aiden Bartlett there, who is a CEO of
Designer Wardrobe. They announced they are going to expand across
the Testament. Now it is twelve to ten.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast, this.

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Is the Greens of met again at Darling Tanner will
be Walker jumped out of Parliament, which by the way
was unanimous co leader as war brokers with us. Is
it possible you were wrong on the law given you've
now used it and seen its benefits.

Speaker 9 (33:23):
Well, big firstision to say that everybody should be open
to changing their mind when confronted with complexity or information.

Speaker 15 (33:30):
That's humanity, That's.

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What evolution is supposed to look like.

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Mike, I feel really proud of the fact that one
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Deliberative process, that it all came to this conclusion. It
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as a party in moving forward together on this issue.

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We've been up for quite a long time, my producer,
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(34:35):
team New Zealand. Is amazing achievement for them. For all
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and your face. We can win anywhere and everywhere. We
certainly can. Ben I have a funny feeling that we
are not going to see the America's cut back in
New Zealand for quite a long time. I think it's
living a different life now. But I send a huge,

(34:55):
big hearty congratulations to the team. It texts here from
Anne Hi Francesca regarding the Greens invoking the walker jumping legislation,
there is a fine line between expedient flexibility outright hypocrisy.
In this case, I feel that the Green Party has
demonstrated the former. In the case of Darling Tana, they
have sufficient conviction not be easily influenced by others and

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hold strong opinions which really change, but they are ready
to do so if necessary. I completely agree with you, Anne,
I don't really have a problem with their actions around
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(35:57):
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should we be suggesting or asking them to go on
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Speaker 2 (36:58):
Ha's been a huge weekend for sport and we'll cover
this off with Piney later in the hour. Of course,
the women's cricket. The women are in the final of
the T twenty World Cricket Final, which is at three
am on Monday morning. Of course, Liam Lawson is in
Texas at the Grand Prix. I believe the qualified qualifications
start about at eleven o'clock some when will keep you
across that. He is, of course going to start twentieth

(37:20):
on the gred though regardless of his performance because of
the penalties for the engine component changes. But we will
keep you across that as well. And then Auckland, you
see hit a pretty good daboot yesterday, so lots to
talk to Piney about later on in the show. British
actress Jimma Artitan is with us next. An incredibly prolific actress,
Jimma has starred in Hollywood blockbusters, indie films, TV shows.

(37:42):
Her latest film is a period thriller called The Critic,
also starring sir Ian McCallan and Mark Strong. In the film,
she plays a young theater actress who's blackmailed by a
very powerful critic, and there's some deadly consequences. So Jimma
Arditon is with us. Next, you're with news ob Zepe.

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Speaker 2 (39:10):
Good to have you with us. This is a Sunday session.
I'm Francisco Brudgin with you until midday. British actress and
producer Jemma Artitan has had such a wonderfully varied career.
She really has done it all. She was launched to
global stardom in her early film Saint Trinians and as
a bond girl in Quantum of Solace. She's since gone
on to a peer in the Prince of Persia, Clash
of the Titans, The Kingsman, Rogue Agent, and the TV

(39:32):
show Funny Woman. Jem's new film is a thriller set
in the nineteen thirties called The Critic. The film is
about a budding actress who was blackmailed by a powerful critic.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I'm the chief of drama critic of the Data.

Speaker 17 (39:45):
Conical shimmy asking snefan like me, hold your breath for
here is theatrical sewage.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
It's a disaster.

Speaker 14 (39:53):
You should talk to him.

Speaker 18 (39:55):
Over the last ten years, you've compared me to livestock,
creatures of the sea, and an extinct bird.

Speaker 19 (40:01):
It's going to stop.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Oh jar.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Jemma Ardiitan joined to me. Now, thank you so much
for your time.

Speaker 14 (40:08):
It's a pleasure. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Tell me what attracted you to the role of Nina land.

Speaker 8 (40:15):
Well.

Speaker 18 (40:16):
I sort of did relate to her to a certain extent.
I mean, she's an actress that's, you know, desperately trying
to seek approval, which you know that resonated with me
to an extent. But she's very complicated. She's a working
class actress at the time the film is set in
the nineteen thirties who's trying to, you know, establish herself

(40:39):
as a kind of one of the great actresses of
the stage doing Shakespeare and whatnot. And so she has
quite a lot of things that she's struggling with. But
more than anything, I was attracted to the project as
a whole because it was written by Patrick marlbur who
is one of our great writers over here. He did
Closer and notes on a scandal, and then sir Ian McKellan,

(41:02):
who I had to do I had lots and lots
of scenes with which was one of the biggest privileges
of my whole life, really, I think working with him,
so it was a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Really, Am I right that yours was the first name
attached to the critic and then and then others came
on board.

Speaker 18 (41:22):
Yeah, I believe so, which shocks me because that doesn't
usually happen.

Speaker 14 (41:29):
But yeah, I think I was.

Speaker 18 (41:31):
I don't know why I think that. I think maybe
Patrick had me in mind for the role. But yeah, yeah,
I was an early one.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
And so did they say to you were going to
try and get in McKelvin, or did you have a
bit of a bit of a say and maybe who
would be playing the other parts?

Speaker 14 (41:49):
I didn't have a say, I am. Yeah.

Speaker 18 (41:52):
It was a surprise to me when when sir Ian
was attached. I mean, it was such a gift of
a role. And he will say that himself, you know,
he's very humble and modest, but it was a I
think for him. He came along and he thought, oh,
this is fantastic, Like I absolutely, of course I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
It's a juicy role for him as well, and the
two of you work so well together, an interesting on
screen relationship. But what was it like working with him
sort of day to day.

Speaker 14 (42:20):
Day to day?

Speaker 18 (42:20):
It was just joyful. I mean, he's really fun. He
loves a gossip. I love a gossip. So we'd spend
our time, you know, in between takes, just gossiping about
life and people we know and all that and having
a great time, and then we'd switch into the kind
of the scene, which I always love that. He's definitely
not a kind of method actor who's carrying it around

(42:42):
with him in between takes, and neither am.

Speaker 14 (42:44):
I so had.

Speaker 18 (42:45):
We had a lot of fun. But he's just, you know,
he's so game, and he's so available as an actor.
He's an actor's actor, you know, he's just he's just
wants to do his best and play and have fun,
but also, you know, really strive to get the best
out of the scene. And I just adored working with him.
I wish we had even more scenes together because those

(43:07):
were my favorite scenes.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
To do the film. Of course, A seat in the
world of theater. Was that something that appealed to you
about it as well, because theater you're so familiar with.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (43:19):
Absolutely, I mean it's such a rich world to explore
because it's bustling and it's full of characters and especially
period theater, and I relate to it.

Speaker 14 (43:28):
I started off in theater. Yeah, so I think so.

Speaker 18 (43:34):
And yeah, and I guess because the characters are so
can be quite extreme in theater world, like the actors
can be, you know, larger than life and dramatic and
they have all these issues. I thought, yeah, it was great.
And I had to play an actress that's not very good.

Speaker 14 (43:53):
So that was a challenge to allow.

Speaker 18 (43:57):
Myself to be not very good on screen and know
that was going to be committed to film. But yeah,
Ann Antucker, who directed the film, he he was very
supportive and sober. Patrick Marber actually and saying, be rubbish,
don't worry, We've got your man.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I was going to bring that up and say, you
were very good at being very bad. Are there any
similarities between being an actress trying to establish themselves in
the nineteen thirties and today.

Speaker 18 (44:26):
Oh yeah, for sure. I mean I think it's just
a trick. It's just a tricky business to be in.
If you're anyone in the acting business. It's very fickle,
it's very changeable. And Ian McKellen's character who's a theater critic,
he says, you know, you know, one review can make
you or it can break you. And that's still I
think the case. I think, you know, there's a lot

(44:49):
of competition and and and yeah, I strive to have
a long career until I'm.

Speaker 14 (44:57):
Very, very old.

Speaker 18 (44:59):
But that's not an easy thing to do because you
have to go through lots of different phases as an
actor and you have to kind of embrace them. So yeah,
I think it's still it's still relevant, it's still very
much identifiable.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
You were so well established that now though, Jim out,
I mean, do you do you care about the critics anymore?

Speaker 14 (45:21):
Yeah? I do, and I don't.

Speaker 18 (45:22):
I mean, I care so much that I don't read
my reviews because I'm far too sensitive to manage reading theater,
especially theater like I have in the past, read reviews
while I'm doing a play. Is often that's when they
come out, is while you're at the beginning of the run.
And that's really unhelpful because then you have to go

(45:45):
and do the play that night, and you've got all
of this critique, whether it's good, bad, whatever, in your head,
and it's not necessarily helpful. So I try to avoid them.
When I'm doing plays, particularly when i'm doing TV and film,
I feel a little bit more detached from the project
because usually you've shot it, you know, two years before
or whatever, So I don't mind so much re reviews

(46:06):
when a film comes out. But yeah, I am quite
a sensitive soul, so I tend to try and avoid.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
And Jimmy, you work, as you've mentioned, do work across
film and television and theater. Do you have a favorite
or do they all offer you something different that you love?

Speaker 14 (46:28):
Yeah, they all offer something different.

Speaker 18 (46:30):
I do love doing plays because you have that immediacy
and there's a thrill that you get that you don't
get when you're doing TV and film, I think. But
then I can get a bit bored doing plays as well,
because I like a short run as opposed to you know,
a four or five month run.

Speaker 14 (46:50):
I can get a little bit of you know, bored.

Speaker 18 (46:53):
But and I guess, you know, with TV and film
you only get one shot, really, I mean you can
do lots of takes, but that's that day, and then
it's done, whereas with theater, you often you find you
have discoveries along the run that you know you wouldn't
necessarily have with film about the character or a way
to play the scene. Yeah, they're very different. But that's

(47:14):
what's nice about my job. I get to kind of
dabble with in all of those things.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Jimmy, you have an incredible body of work to your name.
It feels like you never stop.

Speaker 14 (47:24):
Is it the case, No, it is the case. It
is the case. I've just had.

Speaker 18 (47:31):
I've been lucky that my projects have usually come they
usually come out quite evenly. But I had a child
last year and I've only worked once since I had
my son, and I do at the moment, I feel
a little bit like, and will I ever work again?

Speaker 14 (47:46):
You know?

Speaker 18 (47:46):
So at the moment, I'm having a quiet time, but
it will all be fine. Yeah, No, it's I think
now as well. When I was younger, I used to
jump on every single project and just work, work, work,
But now I think I'm a little bit more selective,
so less output.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
The moment, I'm pleased to hear because prolific and I
never know what you're going to turn up. Nick's telling
what story? I mean this is the one. You're very
fortunate that your career has been so diverse.

Speaker 18 (48:16):
Yeah, I think thank you for saying that, because I
think it's something I actively think about when I'm choosing work.
And I also like to, you know, if I've done something.
I just did a very comedic role that's very broad
and glamorous, and then I try to sort of do
the absolute opposite for my next role, which is very
contemporary and serious, and so yeah, like I like that,

(48:42):
and I like thinking about how I can challenge myself
in that with character, but also with genre and working
in different periods and they offer a different challenge. So
I always like a bit of variation.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Jimt I was thinking about Nina as an actress who's
trying to establish herself, and I was wondering, what if
you could say one thing to your younger self when
starting out and all those big roles started coming in.
What would it be. What have you learned over the
years that you'd love to go back and be able
to tell it that young actress starting out.

Speaker 18 (49:19):
You know, there are a few things that I turned
down when I was younger because you know, they were
too art house or I was advised to do something else,
and I really wish I hadn't done that, you know,
I wish I'd gone with my intuition.

Speaker 14 (49:34):
I think I was very naive.

Speaker 18 (49:35):
When I was younger, and I was just very grateful
to be, you know, offered anything. So but actually I
had this intuition about certain roles that I should have done,
and I think that's so important.

Speaker 14 (49:46):
Intuition.

Speaker 18 (49:47):
I think it's you know, we or instinct, whatever you
want to call it. I think it's as an actor,
it's sort of like your gold and you know, your money.
Really when you're that's your your thing that you should
really listen to. So that's what i'd say to myself,
listen to your intuition more.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Well, that's something that you can sort of you should
put into play across your life. You should, you know,
as a mother, you need to use your you know, intuition,
don't you about.

Speaker 20 (50:12):
Your child and things like that. Absolutely, we need to
trust ourselves more, don't we. Yeah, exactly, So you've hit
this little pause. Just finally, what can we expect next
from Jimmer?

Speaker 18 (50:26):
Well, I do have a project next year that I'm
really excited about. It's for TV as well, and I
can't can't reveal what it is because it hasn't been
announced yet, but again, it's it's very, very different to
anything I've done before. So I'm excited about that one.
So and then I have quite a lot of things
in the pipeline.

Speaker 14 (50:44):
I have a.

Speaker 18 (50:44):
Production company and there's there's a whole plethora of things
that we're developing. A musical and we've got kind of
crime drama and all of these things that hopefully in
the next year or so they'll start to come into light.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Jimmer addt And it's been a pleasure to talk to you.
Thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 14 (51:04):
You're very welcome. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
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bit of Oasis, because Chris Schultz, our entertainment commentator, managed
to score himself a couple of tickets to see Oasis
in Australia. Do you think they're gonna make it? Do
you think they'll actually still be on tour and functioning
as a band by the time they get to Australia.

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Speaker 4 (53:04):
Will they get here?

Speaker 22 (53:06):
Will they make it past that first show?

Speaker 11 (53:08):
No one knows.

Speaker 22 (53:09):
This is part of the hype behind this huge comeback
of the band.

Speaker 8 (53:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (53:13):
I got in the Ticketmaster queues this week, like nearly
four hundred thousand Australians and managed to sneak myself a
single ticket to the last Sydney Shower of this tour
they're doing. It wasn't funk. In half an hour. I
had to enter a ballot into the waiting room, into
the QUM committed.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Don't you Yeah?

Speaker 22 (53:34):
I had three credit cards out on a table Francisca
and none of them worked. And I found a credit
card in the back of a draw that I've forgotten about.
Pulled that out in desperation and plugged that and it worked,
and so that's how I got my single floor ticket.
But this is what we're having to do now, right
like these big acts aren't coming to New Zealand anymore.
Kylie Minogue, Katie Perry, The Weekend, Olivia and Rego, Billie Eilish,

(53:59):
The Killers, Green Day all touring Australia in the next
six to nine months, and none of them are coming here.

Speaker 7 (54:05):
So I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Why not, because we suddenly had they were all coming
for a little while, there weren't they.

Speaker 22 (54:11):
It's a whole bunch of things. Some of them are
quite boring, like the economy when our dollars a bit flat,
then they just can't make enough money. But also infrastructure.
We're missing that big Taylor Swift size stadium to attract
those sort of eighteen ninety thousand crowds that these acts
are now playing in. So we've sort of been left
behind a little bit.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I think.

Speaker 22 (54:31):
So you can see them setting up these runs now
in Australia where they're playing three four nights in these
twenty thousand seed stadiums and we just don't have down infrastructure.
I don't know if it will be like that forever.
I really hope not, because this is going to get
very expensive if we want to see these shows. But yeah,
my fingers crossed, they start coming back.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
So off you go on your own to see Oasis.

Speaker 7 (54:50):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I am slightly concerned about how many credit cards you've got,
but that's not then we won't go into that right now. Hey,
reviews for The Office Australia have been released, and of
course it features a bunch of New Zealanders And I
know that this is a hugely popular TV show, but
I think the Australians are excellent doing their own set
like that. You know, there was The Game's Frontline Utopia.

(55:11):
This is actually kind of a genre that they excel at.
Do they need to kind of remake something that's already
done it?

Speaker 4 (55:18):
That's the question, right.

Speaker 22 (55:20):
It's more than twenty years since Wrecky Jervas and Stephen
Merchant released The Office. It was this genre breaking show
that introduced mockumentaries to us. You know, so many shows
now use that format, the talking to camera and all
that stuff. So and also we've had like the UK
one was a huge hit. The US Office remains one
of the most popular streaming shows in the world. It's

(55:42):
huge ask to take that on and try and make
a show anywhere nearest popular to make it work. But
they've got really good people in behind the camera. Being
a little parochial, we've got Jackie van Beek and Jesse
Griffin who know what they're doing. They made Educators one
of the funniest New Zealand shows. I've seen the first
couple of episodes and I think it's finding its fate great. Actually,

(56:03):
you know, like all of those worries we had, we
don't need to worry about it. It's good, it's funny,
it's bringing in youth elements. They've got a female boss
which works really well. They've got these kind of twenty
twenty four things.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Like working dated yeah, which is good.

Speaker 22 (56:21):
And it's so much there.

Speaker 11 (56:22):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Okay, you've kind of convinced me because I was I
was sort of sitting on the fence about this going.
I've seen this show, I know this show, but actually
you've kind of convinced me you should together it. Well,
it's on screening on Prime Prime. Thank you.

Speaker 7 (56:35):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
The British and Irish Film Festival is about to kick off.
What I love about some of these film festivals, and
I was the ambassador for the French Film Festival and
the same guys who did the French Film Festival are
doing this one. Is they take it everywhere around the country.
Oh yeah, which I love. It's going to watch something
like twenty is it different locations and about thirty different
cinemas are involved.

Speaker 22 (56:56):
Yes, So from the twenty third this is kicking off
around the country. That but also Francisca. They've got some
really good films in that. It's crazy we live in time,
as the Andrew Garfie and Florence Pugh vy cover Ye
is talking about. I've seen a few mixed reviews, but
there's so much buzz about this movie. This is the
first place you can see it. We spoke about Oasis earlier,

(57:19):
also part of that pop revival Blur, and they've got
two films in this festival. Would make a great double head.
They've got a documentary about these kind of old rockers
reuniting and what it's like doing that at their age
now they're all in their fifties and sixties. Does it
still work? So that was filmed in twenty twenty three
on the road leading up to this Wembley show. This

(57:40):
huge Wembley show they played. That's in the Film Festival too,
so you can go and see the documentary and.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Then go and watch the live show well like you're
at the concert.

Speaker 22 (57:48):
Brilliant double header.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Not quite the same as being near the front of
the live at Oasis Concave is something else I'm really
keen to see. That's come pretty much directly from the
Toronto Film Festival as well. That's going to be our
first chance to see that them with Ralph Phones and
Stanley Tucci and Isabella as a leading No, you're right.
It's a really great little program, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (58:05):
It's really really great make some movies. I honestly went
through that last and was like, whoa, it's it's yeah,
they've got some good films.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Definitely worth checking out. British and Irish Film Festival dot
co dot NZ. Thank you so much, Chris, and as
we were just saying, the British and Irish Film Festival,
it's got an incredible selection of films. You'll find something
that will suit you, whether it's drama or comedy, or
documentaries or more is as I said, It's screening nationwide

(58:34):
from this Wednesday, the twenty third of October till the
thirteenth of November. We've got double tickets. To be one.
All you have to do is register at Newstalk ZB
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Speaker 1 (58:50):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on news Talk ZTB.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
And joining us now with our science study of the
week is doctor Michelle Dickinson, Nano Girl.

Speaker 19 (59:01):
Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I love a good lifestyle hack, and I think you've
got a beauty for us today.

Speaker 16 (59:06):
You know me, I'm a busy mum and I'm always
looking for science research with evidence that proves that I
don't have to be a gym bunny and I don't
have to beat myself up that I didn't do an
hour a day at the gym because this new research
has been like, just do what they're calling an exercise snack.
And I love snacks, so I'm totally into this. If
you want to read this, it's in the journal Royal

(59:27):
Society B. It was published this week and basically it
says exercise snacks burn more calories than if you just
consistently did the same exercise for a long period of time,
So what are they talking about. They basically took ten
volunteers and they put masks on them and they measured
their oxygen uptake, which is basically a way to measure

(59:48):
how much energy they're burning as a function of the
exercise that they're doing. And then they gave them two
different types of exercise. One of them was walking on
a treadmill, and one of them was doing a stair climber,
so climbing stairs or brisk walking. And then they measured
how much energy they used per second for exercise that
did only ten seconds, so literally just going upstairs for

(01:00:09):
ten seconds up to four minutes. Now, this is very
rare in exercise research. Usually you would measure people doing
exercise for a longer period of time and consistent twenty minute,
thirty minute walk something like that. People don't really measure
people who do ten seconds with an exercise, but they did,
and what they found, which is beautiful, is that short
bursts of exercise demands significantly more energy than continuous exercise

(01:00:34):
over the same distance.

Speaker 23 (01:00:35):
Basically, they found out that you burn twenty to sixty
percent more energy if you do it as a quick
exercise snack. Then if you did it NonStop for the
same total distance. So if you did five snacks a
day versus one big exercise thing, you're actually going to
burn up to sixty percent more calories.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Isn't that interesting? So does this sort of go along
the same lines as that sort of hit training and
interval training that you're doing short burths of really pushing
yourself to an extreme and then resting and then pushing
and resting.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:01:04):
And they described it in the paper, which is really
like if you have a cold car in the morning
and you start it up, it takes more energy to
warm up the car and get it going, so once
it's warm, it drives much more efficiently than it does
on our cold winter's morning when you're starting it. The
same happens for your body. You'll starting from a cold state.
It takes more energy to ramp you up, to get
you breathing, to get your body or going to the

(01:01:26):
excise state, and then once you're in that state, you're
actually more efficient staying in that state. So basically they're
comparing us.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
To old cars.

Speaker 23 (01:01:31):
But I'm okay with that because it actually allows us
to think about not beating ourselves up because we didn't
do our ten thousand steps all in one go, but
go what are tiny things that I can do in
my lifestyle? If I work in an office, how do
I just make sure I take a flight of steps
instead of taking the lift? How do I park at
the far end of the supermarket and brisk walk in
rather than park the closest park. Tiny little things all

(01:01:54):
added together actually mean that you can still increase your
fitness and burn the energy. And this is a great way,
and they say it in the paper for those who
have limited mobility, if you're elderly, if you've had an exit,
or you have some sort of mobility issues, you can
now do targeted exercises in very small chunks and still
get the benefits. Then if you were trying to do

(01:02:16):
big hikes somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I was intriggued by this, so I did a bit
of a google about some examples of exercise snacks and
if you want to look like a real idiot at work,
you can get every Obviously, the stair climbing is a
really obvious one, but they were like other great things
that you can do with you know, jumping jecks or
skipping rope or chair squads, or lunges and push ups
or mountain climbers, which might be a little bit awkward
to do in the office space. Now we're in open

(01:02:39):
plan offices, officers, it's not quite the same. But actually
maybe maybe you should maybe one should get up and
just jump jacks for thirty seconds and then sit down again.
Probably a little.

Speaker 24 (01:02:49):
Buzzy yeah office buzzer where everybody just jumps yeah, five
seconds on the hour, modes and sits down again. Look,
and if you look at office workers and how much
time they're sitting doing nothing. If you just and if
you've got a smart watch, it does remind you get
up and go do something like put those dice is on,
put a time round and literally every forty five minutes

(01:03:09):
climb a couple of flights of says, go back down.
It doesn't have to be a lot, but it makes
a huge difference.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Think would be hilarious to see someone pull out a
skipping rope and just suddenly jump rope off.

Speaker 23 (01:03:20):
Will you go exercise? Snack my favorite type of snake.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
It seems no I love it, Thank you so much.
Michelle Mike has a super Moorish chocolate cake for us
next year. You might need to do a few exercise
snacks after this. It is twenty three to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
There's no bit of way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
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Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Resident chief Mike Venders. Alison is with us now.

Speaker 7 (01:03:47):
Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
A big week in your family.

Speaker 7 (01:03:53):
I was just sitting here yawning next you going it
really was a big week.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
You're still awaken with us.

Speaker 7 (01:04:01):
Ah, No, I know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
It was egg Day this week and at our local
primary school, and it's a big event for y Malcu
Primary School.

Speaker 7 (01:04:11):
I think it's it's.

Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
Podentgally would be there their number one fundraising because there
was a lot of people.

Speaker 7 (01:04:17):
I went yesterday and there must have been over one thousand,
if not two thousand people there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
That was a big day.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
But your youngest is leaving, so you're sort of your
finally your connection with the school is ending at the
end of this year, so this is this was your
sort of your last time participating. I suppose that's sad.
It's supposed to being a visitor. Yeah, I don't know.
I can remember kind of finishing up things and going,
you know, I'm ready now, I've done my time, I've
made my contribution to the school, and ready to move

(01:04:46):
on to the next one.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
Parent there was a lot to do though, Yeah, because Ivy,
who's finishing up this year.

Speaker 7 (01:04:57):
She told us on Thursday that she had entered Young
Farmer of the Year competition and I said, oh, that's great. Wednesday,
it's tomorrow on and I was like, what do you
need to do.

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
I need to learn how to put up an electric
fence and hammered and nail and lift a bails.

Speaker 7 (01:05:12):
And it was like ten o'clock at night, We're outside.
It was pitch dark. Here I'm putting a Johnny electric
fence up. Anyway, how did she go?

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
She did?

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
She was she was the only girl that entered all
the other girl that was in the competition, and she
didn't she didn't win, but she gave it a damn
good try. And what happened is farmers would know this.
You're winding up an electric fence, and sometimes the actual
fence as you're winding goes off the spool and it
gets caught around the handle, and then you've got to

(01:05:44):
spend the legs half an hour undoing it all so
you can get it back on the spool.

Speaker 7 (01:05:48):
And that's what happened to her. So yes she got
left behind.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Oh bless and good honor for entering though, And did
you take long some chickens?

Speaker 7 (01:05:56):
And yes we did. Ours were very sad. All the
rest were sitting in a nice pea straw.

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
And they had like little outfits put onto them, and
ours were like just handing and water because they water
thing it tipped over all they feed it tipped over
pretty much standing in their own pool.

Speaker 7 (01:06:12):
So that was ours.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
So how did the cake competition go?

Speaker 11 (01:06:16):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Is this some good news here?

Speaker 8 (01:06:19):
There is?

Speaker 7 (01:06:19):
We entered the cake competition? Well, I thought we were entering,
but when.

Speaker 6 (01:06:23):
We got to the school, we were actually judging, not entering,
and so we had to judge all the cakes. And
so our cake got sold, which was great, and it
was a I made a chocolate cake, so it's.

Speaker 7 (01:06:36):
Our kind of real fast go to chocolate cake.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
So I thought today i'd share that recipand is I
took a photo of it, so if you go online
you can have a look at the photo.

Speaker 15 (01:06:44):
It's quite.

Speaker 7 (01:06:45):
It's quite the cake. It looks beautiful and it's and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
It's really fast.

Speaker 7 (01:06:48):
It's probably a good cake to do for.

Speaker 6 (01:06:51):
Like do this afternoon and then you can feed it
to the kids for in the lunchboxes through the week
because the cake will last a week. So first thing
to do is preheat your one hundred and seventy degrees
on fan bake and then in a large bowl, what
you want to do is you want to whisk one
hundred mills, so you pretty much do it in this order.

(01:07:11):
So go one hundred meals of vegetaboil and then whisk
in two hundred and fifty mills of cream. Then whisk
in one cup of hot water or boiling water, and
then whisk in one teaspoon of vanilla paste, and then
whisk in two eggs, and then go one and a
half cups of caster sugar, and then go a pinch
of salt, and then go tea teaspoons or baking powder,
and then go half a cup of cocoa powder, and

(01:07:33):
then finally sift in one and three quarters of a
cup of plain flour mix. Add all together, it's going
to be a real loose batter. Pour that into a grease,
and I line it as well, just to make it
so much easier to get out. Just line with grape
greasbeef paper about a two thirty centimeters tin or cake mold.

Speaker 7 (01:07:55):
Pour that in.

Speaker 6 (01:07:56):
It's really loose, so you can't have one of those
ones where the bottom pops out because it will just
flow out the bottom. So it needs to be a
fully sealed caked in. Fire that into the other and
it's going to take a while of cook because it
is so loose. About thirty five to forty five minutes,
and just keep checking it. After about thirty five minutes,
put a scura and if it comes out clean, it's
good to go.

Speaker 7 (01:08:15):
Pull it out and then let it cool down.

Speaker 6 (01:08:18):
And we coded ours and we made an Italian ring,
So just make up talium rang pipe that on and
then use a blowtorch and just burn that Talian ring on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Oh sounds delicious.

Speaker 7 (01:08:29):
It's a really really good fastcake.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
What cake won the competition?

Speaker 7 (01:08:34):
It was a cake and the shape of a sheep.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Oh kay, So it wasn't It wasn't. It was the
way it was decorated, not so much the way it tasted.

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
It was amazing. I would safely say that no kid
made that cake.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
I love it. Thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (01:08:49):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
You can get Mike's Supermorris chocolate cake recipe from Good
from Scratch dot co dot nz. Of course you can
go to Newstalk zb dot co dot nzed forward slash Sunday.
We'll be putting up all our interviews and recipes and
information from the day on the website for you. It
is fifteen to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Keep It's simple.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
It's Sunday, the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Selection of the gratings, news, talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
And time to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Well listen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I'm joined by naturopath Aaron O'Hara. Good morning, Good morning.
You got a really interesting subject for us today. We're
going to talk about Parkinson's and you just told me
a little something there about the difficulty there is for
people who've been diagnosed to see a neurologist in New Zealand.
And I mean I probably shouldn't be surprised. We know
that there are long waitlists to get in to see people,

(01:09:48):
but as you're taken back, yeah, it's.

Speaker 25 (01:09:50):
Actually a major problem here in New Zealand and getting
into most specialists. If you're going privately, usually you can
get in relatively quick when it comes to neurologists. They
are so overloaded with neurological diseases and actually shortage as
well in New Zealand that the wait time can be
anything from sort of nine to twelve months, which is

(01:10:10):
absolutely huge if you have a neurological condition, especially something
like Parkinson's disease developing, and you really need to see
a neurologists before you can really get that support.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
From nineteen ninety to twenty fifteen, the number of people
with parkinson disease doubled to over six million, and that
number is predicted to double again by twenty forty.

Speaker 25 (01:10:31):
Huge, huge numbers, and it's a massive problem and it's
really really growing very very rapidly. You know, they really
don't know. It remains largely unknown of why these rates
are rising. However, there's things like you know, aging, population
increasing in longevity declining, sort of smoking rates. There's a

(01:10:54):
whole lot of industrial, sort of environmental factors that can
influence it. And all of those different things on our
body have a massive effect on how the neurological system works,
and you know, slowing it down. It's a tricky one
because quite often a lot of people have already progressed
so far into the disease before they actually get a diagnosis,

(01:11:16):
and then it's about either holding it steady or getting
it maybe a little bit reverse, but you can't actually
get it into full remission quite often what is Parkinson's
So Parkinson's disease is a neurological disease where predominantly the
dopamine producing neurons in the brain get affected and they
either get impaired or lost, and so that effect has

(01:11:38):
a huge effect on things like movement disorders to things
like you'll get symptoms like tremors, also slowness and movement rigidity,
and the muscles a real stiffness in the body which
creates actually a lot of pain as well changes in
movement and gait, as well as some non motor symptoms
are things like depression, anxiety, because obviously dopamine has a

(01:12:01):
massive effect in your mood, constipation, sleep disorder, as well
as changes in long term, it can also increase the
risk of things like dementia as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
There's a lot more symptoms than I thought, a lot
a lot.

Speaker 25 (01:12:15):
Of symptoms related to it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
So does that also make it quite tricky then to
diagnose it? Does.

Speaker 25 (01:12:20):
But there's been some interesting new research that comes out
came out really recently around the changes in the gut,
and it's a really really interesting study that was done
by Harvard University, and it looked at the gut symptoms
and the development of especially upper gut digestive symptoms, so
things like good or reflux as well as things like constipation,

(01:12:42):
and their link towards later on ending up with Parkinson's disease.
And that's not saying that anyone that has those symptoms
is going to end up with Parkinson's disease, but it
is definitely a link that those are sort of starting
symptoms for some people before it develops into those more
motor symptoms conditions like the tremors and the rigidity that

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people usually relate to Parkinson's disease.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
With such a wide range of symptoms, then what kind
of treatment is there that can assist with someone like Parkinson's.

Speaker 25 (01:13:13):
So to really hold it steady, most people will need
medication and they will need to go and see neurologists
to get that. You can't just get it through a GP. However,
there's lots of things they can do alongside with lifestyle
in particular things like exercise is super super helpful for
helping with the rigidity and movement and balance as well.
As there's interesting foundations like the Duncan Foundation who does

(01:13:36):
a lot of it's all funded, you can actually donate
to them, and they do amazing community work where they
give exercises for people to be doing at home which
will help with a lot with reducing the symptoms from progressing,
whether it's helping with the rigidity and balance and their
natural supplements things that I like to use. Nacs internacetyle

(01:13:57):
system has some really good research around increasing dopamine transport
binding and it's something that I'll commonly use alongside the medications,
and there's a really good effect.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Also digestive support.

Speaker 25 (01:14:11):
So obviously there's some digestive symptoms from that rigidity, including
in the gut, so that might be constipation or a
bit of reflux. So you can really sort of calm
those symptoms through using some supplements or maybe a probiotic
and then magnesium can be amazing. So magnesium is so
amazing for so many things in the body, especially with
muscle tension. So if there's a lot of pain that

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relates to that rigidity, then magnesium can be really helpful
for reducing all the muscler tension as well as having
fewer motor deficits. And also this also can reduce dopamine
urine loss as well, so it can be and really
helpful supplement to put alongside.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
But I think.

Speaker 25 (01:14:53):
Really to get good support for someone with Parkinson's disease,
it's about putting the different things together, not just doing
one thing. But you really need to work in that
complementary sort of using neurologists as well as working. I
have some lifestyle, exercise, sleep, supplements, nutrition, You kind of
got to do a bit of all and get it

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so you get the best possible lifestyle and longevity as
well as you can with that disease.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Thank you so much. Erin We'll catch up next week.
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Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
You're with the Sunday Session here on News TALKSB. It
is seven past eleven coming up this hour. John Grisham
has a new book out, Piney On All the sporting
success from the weekend, and Meghan's got some top tips
for travel in Raratonga Right early in twenty twenty two,
and keevy musician Andrew Fagan set out on an around

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the world adventure. Now this wasn't just any sailing adventure.
It was an attempt to set the record for the
smallest boat to sail around the world solo via the
Great Capes. Now I've seen the pictures and I'm telling
you this yacht called Swirly World and Perpetuity was insanely
small to be sailing the world.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
And well that is my thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Andrew has written about his gorgeous boat and the trip,
and the book is called Swirly World Lost at Sea.
And Andrew Fagan joins me, Now, good morning, good morning,
so good to have you in here.

Speaker 11 (01:18:42):
Great to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
This is quite an adventure and you have done quite
a lot of solo sailing before you headed off in this.
But was it a big leap to go from sailing
back and forward to Australia or to the subantactic Auckland Islands.
Was it a big leap to go from that to
circumnavigating the globe? I imagine the Southern Ocean kind of
prepared you a bit for this.

Speaker 11 (01:19:04):
Yeah, it was a big leap, but it was also
something that I was I felt prepared for, you know,
because I'd had the boat for thirty seven years. I've
done a lot of offshore sailing in it, you know,
like like you said, to Australia and down the sub
Antarctic organ Island. So I felt in my own mind
that this was just a logical step, and apart from
the amount of time it was going to take, which

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I thought was about, you know, twelve a year. Really,
you know, I had food and water World food for
fourteen months. But yeah, it was I felt I was
ready for it, and you know that's I aspired to
sailing around the world, you know, since I was a teenager.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I mean I was quite taken back at how compact
thrilling World is. I mean, it's amazing what you managed
to pack into it. She's a five point one meter
sleep yeah, so that's.

Speaker 11 (01:19:51):
An imperial that's just under seventeen feet.

Speaker 10 (01:19:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:19:54):
So it's it's tiny.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Cozy.

Speaker 11 (01:19:56):
Cozy is a nice way to put it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
Francisco, How do you prepare.

Speaker 11 (01:20:01):
For a journey like that, Well, it was about five
years of accumulating everything you have to mitigate for all
sorts of possibilities. So it's a lot. It was expensive,
you know, well it was expensive to me about thirty
thousand dollars worth of stuff that was on board, you know,
live rafts, a lot of freeze dried food because weight's
a big issue, you know, you can't take canned food

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or normal stuff, no refrigeration. So and water. I had
to take a water maker with me because the weight
of water. You can't act fresh water. You can't actually
have enough, you know, to start with. Although I had
two hundred liters on board, but that's not going to
get you around the world, you know. So there was
a lot of preparation, you know, a spear kitset mast,

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basically every eventuality, you know, you had to think about.
Then You've got you know, your vitamin pills, You've got
am I going to get toothache?

Speaker 8 (01:20:54):
You know?

Speaker 11 (01:20:55):
Have I got enough toothpaste? Am I bringing enough toothbrushes?

Speaker 25 (01:20:58):
You know?

Speaker 11 (01:20:59):
Sun block? You know, toilet paper.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
It's quite a lot to think about, it is. I
noticed that Bacountry Cuisine provided you with fourteen months of
free drives food. I mean, that's that's just that takes
up a lot of space, doesn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:21:13):
It sure does, Yeah, at cost I made. Yeah, it's
amazing how you can pack it down. Yeah, basically one
month packed down into about the size of a pillowcase.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Well that's pretty good.

Speaker 11 (01:21:26):
Well because I absolutely, you know, strap it all up
in plastic. You know, it looks that, you know, it
looks like a big bale of contraband. Really, but I
had fourteen of those on board, So yeah, it was
she was The boat was absolutely choker.

Speaker 8 (01:21:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
What did it feel like to sail out of Auckland,
or maybe what did it feel like to sort of
see the the East Cape disappear in the distance.

Speaker 11 (01:21:49):
Yeah, a bit melancholy when you know that your ambition
is to go away and you know, for such a
long time to start with, you know, sort of waving
goodbye to friends who were up on north Head there,
sort of watch on a nice hot summer's afternoon watching
you go. I sort of felt it from there perspective,
you know. But I was excited because this was the

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culmination of a lot of planning, you know, and I
was totally fixated on just sailing east and keep going
east east east, you know, for a year.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
So how do you pass the time?

Speaker 11 (01:22:23):
Well, most of the time you're occupied with focusing on sailing.
So because you haven't got you know, an engine that
you're allowed to use, because it was about a sailing record,
You've just got to keep that boat moving far as
fast as possible. And of course, you know, being that small,
you know, fast is six knots, but average is about

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three or four knots, you know, in reality. So I
was doing about ninety miles a day, which was really
good going because the wind was behind me and it
was you know, I was quite pleased about that. But
most of the time the boat's sailing itself, so it's
got a wind vane self steering system. So a lot
of the time I'd just be lying in bed. It's
not really a bed, is it, But I'm inside reading

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my kind or you know, at night you could get
radio reception and I used to, you know, listen to
Bruce Russell. He was there and in the evening sometimes
when I had radio reception. And then the further away
you get from New Zealand, obviously you start picking up
other countries radios. But you know, really your whole focus
is on the speed of the boat.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
How long does it sort of take you to get
into that rhythm? Andrew because I imagine it becomes quite repetitive,
but I imagine you sort of just.

Speaker 11 (01:23:34):
Have to take it. Takes a few days, and also
I get seasick, you know, when I start like, you've
got to get used to the motion. It takes a
few days, but then after about a week it just
becomes timeless because you know, there's there's there aren't the
normal reference points that you have in your life on land,
you know, So it's all about and you're also because

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you're by yourself all the time, you're just and you're
tuned into what the wind's doing and how and you
can hear by the sound of the water outside how
fast you're going, you know, and so you're just trying
to keep that boat sailing as quickly as possible. So
you know, you are occupied, you know, but just in
a different way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
What does the solitude do to a person.

Speaker 11 (01:24:18):
It depends on who the person is. I like it,
you know, I don't have any issue with it. Whatso
we have and solitude is the right word. It's not loneliness.
It is solitude. But I you know, i'd be there
right now, Francesca, if I could by myself out in
the middle of nowhere. It's just something that some people
gravitate towards. And again it's because of the sailing. I

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wouldn't want to be motoring, you know, having which I
do in my professional life a lot. Now, you know,
it's the sound of engine noise and all that sort
of stuff, But when you're sailing, it's it's it's different
frequencies that you're listening to, and it's a different feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
You know.

Speaker 11 (01:24:54):
It's like when a boat is sailing itself. It's quite
a magnificent feeling just being inside or being on deck
and watching the boat sailing itself.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
You know, Is that essentially what you love about endurance sailing?

Speaker 8 (01:25:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:25:06):
Absolutely, yeah, And endurance sailing is the correct well done.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
I read the book, I learned a lot. Look, you
experienced some heavy gales and that led to the really
the end of the bedroom sailing, didn't it. Can you
tell us what happened to the boat in those gales?

Speaker 11 (01:25:23):
Yeah, So essentially the boat got beaten up quite badly,
but it was nothing that I wasn't expecting, except we
did have quite a bad run. So I got halfway
to South America, Cape Horn, which is about two and
a half thousand miles across the Pacific, and on the
way there we had gale after gale, you know, storm,

(01:25:45):
you know, big big, you know, eight meter sometimes ten
meter breaking waves. But it was again, it was anticipated,
and that was part of the excitement that I was
looking for. And also just to have a look at
what it's like down there. You know, we're talking the
northern edge of the Southern Ocean around about forty two
degrees south, you know, so that's only sort of like
christ Church sort of to Marou that's latitude, you know.

(01:26:08):
So yeah, it's it's it's great. What was a question again,
Oh what happened to the boat? Oh yeah, okay, yeah,
we got damaged. We got damaged big time. Basically the
boat kept getting smashed by these big breaking cross seas.
So what happens is that the wind always shifts. It's
exactly the same as here we are in New Zealand,

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where a gale, a depression as we call them, a
low pressure system traveling around the globe in the Southern
Ocean will the leading edge will come in with a
northwesterly wind. That wind will back to the west and
then to the southwest, and as it backs you get
a leftover cross swell, and the leftover cross wells keept
on smashing into the boat and filling up the cop

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but you know, big, heavy, substantial blows, and because the
boat was so heavy, because it was full of you know,
fourteen months with supploat, yeah, a lot of food and
everything else, and it basically cracked what we call the
ski the boat. Underneath the boat, you've got a keel,
and you got a rudder, and this boat has a
or had a skeg, which is which provides what we

(01:27:12):
call directional stability, keeps it sort of tracking in a
straight line. So the glue line on the on the
skeg at some stage, quite a few weeks I think,
before it came off, it broke and then the skeg
worked and I could hear these sort of grunching noises.
But I was being a bit delusional, thinking that everything
was okay, might just go away, yes, And it didn't.

(01:27:33):
So this gg broke off, and then the boat was
incapacitated and I couldn't and you're in the middle of nowhere, Yeah,
pretty much?

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Is that overwhelming?

Speaker 11 (01:27:43):
Not really, because I was still floating. So the boat
started taking on water, you know, sort of ten to
fifteen liters a day, you know, which which isn't bad
because I'm still there. So I'm sponging it out, I'm
bucketing it out over the side, so I'm still I
still felt in control. But once the boat wouldn't steer itself,
I knew I couldn't carry on and I had to

(01:28:04):
go somewhere else to make a new skied to repair it.
So the nearest land was one thousand miles north of me,
which was pit cair pitt Kern Island, and so I
decided to sail up there, aim for there so until
you know, so without a SKG, the boat's still floating
and you're still functioning, but you have to hand steer

(01:28:25):
all the time, which when you're by yourself, you know,
it's not a very good option.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
You used an interesting expression in the book called you
know that you were now sort of negative sailing?

Speaker 21 (01:28:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:28:37):
Was it negative attitude?

Speaker 25 (01:28:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Yeah, it just it was a great way of sort
of summing it up where all of a sudden it
had I presume your mind has been challenged as to
how to deal with the situation and stay positive, and.

Speaker 11 (01:28:49):
I think, yeah, what I what I enjoyed or not what.
I didn't enjoy it at all, But what I found
within myself was that one has a capacity to cope,
you know, when things go wrong like that. To me,
it was I just had to look at what was
the next thing I had to do to achieve my objective,
you know. So it wasn't really about freaking out. It

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was just about adapting to a new set of circumstances,
you know, another form.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Of bad Andrew it wasn't a good outcome, No, you
had to abandon.

Speaker 11 (01:29:24):
An unfortunate outcome.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
And it was an unfortunate outcome. You had to abandon swearly.
And I mean, these are amazing chapters in the book.
You're just going to love reading the story. But by
this stage when it comes to abandoning having to make
that decision, as a reader, I was really invested in
this journey and also really invested in this yacht that
you'd had for thirty seven years. I mean I was
devastated reading this process that you had to go through

(01:29:50):
and everything. What was it like for you to abandon Swoarly.

Speaker 11 (01:29:53):
Well again, at the time and the heat of the moment,
it came down to self preservation. So I sort of
put to one side the melancholy feelings and just had
to get on with what was the next problem I
had to solve, essentially, And it didn't really kind of
dawn on me the enormity of it until I had

(01:30:16):
been inverted commas rescued.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Yeah, so how easy is it to be plucked out
of the ocean by a container ship?

Speaker 8 (01:30:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:30:23):
Well it wasn't good. Yeah it was. It was the
most dangerous part of the whole voyage. And I mean,
you know, it was it was it was. It wasn't
a foregone conclusion that I would get away with it.
Put it that way, you know. So, so essentially what
happened after the skig broke off. I was trying to
sail to pick you an island, and then then the
rudders snapped off because that must have got fatigued as well.

(01:30:43):
So then I was completely incapacitated. And then it was like, well,
what are you going to do? Well in the old
days if you weren't talking to anyone, because I was
talking because I had a satellite text, you know, thing,
letting people know what was going on. If you weren't
talking to people, you just would have drifted for three
months until you hit South America, and I could have
done that because I had all the food and water.
I would have kept bailing the boat out. But these

(01:31:04):
days it's not quite like that. You know, when search
and risks you find out that you're in trouble, it's
a red flag and they want to save you, you know.
So a three hundred meter container ship turned up diverted
unfortunately and for them, and you know, a Lord of
the sea came and saved me. And I had to
get onto that in the in the night, and it
was just up to me to get on board. So

(01:31:25):
I had to get my sailing boat alongside, and there
was a big sea running and the boat, you know,
it's a ply withoud little plywood boat, you know, sheath
and fiberglass, but that's not it doesn't make much difference.
And the boat was like being thrown against the side
of this steel container ship like a tennis ball because
there was quite a big sea store running. So it

(01:31:47):
was very difficult and I had to basically the crew
were English as a second language, so the communication was
difficult and I had to essentially just leap for a
rope ladder that was dangling down the side of the ship,
just picked my moment and make sure I held on.
So that was you know that that was quite a

(01:32:08):
challenge really at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Andrew is swearly replaceable? Will would you like to give
this another go?

Speaker 11 (01:32:14):
I'd like to give it another go. But I've looked into,
you know, replacing the boat, but it's very expensive, you know.
I think, you know, if I, if I, if I
had a wish list or you know, one lotto, I'd
probably get an aluminium version made, you know, but it's
a it's at least seventy thousand dollars, you know. And
then I started. It makes you think, well, you know,

(01:32:34):
why was I doing would you would you want to
do it in that boat again? And I was really
only doing it in that boat because that's the boat
I've had, you know, for thirty seven years and done
a lot of sailing in.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
New and yeah, you know, I loved Hey, look really
quickly before you go. I know that you've been working
a lot sort of as a as a commercial master
captain and things like that. Is that the world that
you're in these days?

Speaker 4 (01:32:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:32:56):
Yeah, I'm a marine. Yeah, I work in marine what
do you call it? Marine construction? I work on tugs
and things, and we tow barges up and down the coast.
That kind of stuff I do. All sorts of roles
really have a lot of deck work too.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
No, it's fascinating. And of course you'd worked on pit
Can Island as well, taking the supply ships and tourist
ships up there, and that's also in this book as well,
which adds another whole dimension to the story. Hey, thank
you so much for joining us. It's an incredible tale
and it's beautifully told.

Speaker 11 (01:33:26):
Thank you for having me, My pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
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Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
All the highs and lows talking the big issues of
the week. The panel on the Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Yes, it's time for the panel and joining me today
we have broadcaster and journalist Wilhelmina Shrimpton. Hi, Wilhelmina, good morning,
and we also have partner and free partner at Freebahn
and hair lawyers, Liam here.

Speaker 15 (01:34:58):
How are you Liam As Maria, I'm good, Thank you goode.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Were you excited this morning, Wilhelmina about the America's Cup
and were you celebrating this morning? The successive team New Zealand.

Speaker 19 (01:35:11):
Look definitely awesome news to wake up to.

Speaker 26 (01:35:13):
Amazing that the Cup is still ours. It's an epic
achievement no matter what.

Speaker 19 (01:35:16):
The competition is.

Speaker 26 (01:35:17):
Winning a competition on the world stage and New Zealand
coming out top is incredible.

Speaker 19 (01:35:21):
But I'm a little bit embarrassed and a little bit.

Speaker 26 (01:35:23):
Guttered to say that I actually haven't watched any of
the races.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
I don't think I really don't think you're on the
own your own there when I mean, and I just
made a huge effort this week, this last week when
we finally got to the sort of the pointing of
the competition to kind of get involved. I suppose the
question is, I mean, I don't think that this America's
Cup is ever coming back to New zeal Liam Do
you would you like to see it come back to
New Zealand? Do you not be you not quite so

(01:35:50):
connected with it because it's it's not here?

Speaker 15 (01:35:53):
Yeah? Well, I mean, look, you know from the great
Inland Empire of the men or two, right, and so
you know sailing is failing is not a thing here really,
and so you know compeg Awkland is I've never really
felt that invested it, and I haven't watched a second
of it. I have watched a second of the America's
Cup since since we blew it all the time all

(01:36:14):
those years ago, about three of San Francisco. Yeah, yeah,
that's it. But then and look, But having said all that,
you know, it's it's a it's a good local thing
for all. It's good for the local boat building industry.
It's good for hostality and awkwome to have it there
because the type of people who do care about the
America's Cup tend to be the type of well healed

(01:36:34):
people who have money to spend, right, So I would
like to see it come back just for the economic reasons.
But you know, I just think it might be a
bridge too far by now, Like once it's now, we're
now that we're in the norm of it being elsewhere.
It will always be elsewhere, it seems.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
I think that's the case as well. I think there
is a lot to celebrate. I mean, I'm kind of
over the hole where they're going to hold it, do
whatever you want. I'm kind of over that. Yet this morning,
after watching them win, I thought back to the last
time they won here and that I was at the
I went down to the Viaduct so much fun to
be part of it. So there was a little moment
where I went, oh, I don't quite feel as engaged

(01:37:12):
with it as I have been in the past. But
I think we've got to stop focusing Wilhelmina on where
it is, but also how it showcases New Zealand. The
technology on show here. We don't have Formula One teams
behind us, we don't have the same kind of potentially
money behind us. What we managed to achieve achieve technically

(01:37:33):
we should be hugely proud of and this is a
way that we should be selling New Zealand and what
we can do here right.

Speaker 19 (01:37:39):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 26 (01:37:40):
And it actually makes me a little bit sad because
I remember a time, even back in the nineties, when
I was a kid in each race, So I remember
being at primary school and every race would be played
on this wheel and TV in the middle of the
library and we'd all come into school in our lucky
red socks and crowd around and watch this television and
it was a massive deal at the time. And that
was back in the nineties when the races were ten
times as long and the technology was ten times less.

(01:38:01):
I know a few people like me who also haven't
watched this time around, And I know that a lot
of people would I you that it's because the racing
itself wasn't here, But I think we need to sit
back and remember that when the All Blacks play overseas,
when there's an overseas competition, people are still crowding around
their television. So I think we really need to be
asking the question why people aren't getting involved, and I

(01:38:23):
think that bringing the competition back to New Zealand will
really help. But I reckon there's issues around marketing and
even like you were saying, Limb, they've sort of perceived
barriers to entry for a sport that I think is
viewed by many through a lens where it's this kind
of elite it's, you know, a rich person's hobby. So
it's about breaking that down, bringing in the fan engagement,

(01:38:44):
making it a big deal, making us want to take
part in it, whether it's.

Speaker 19 (01:38:48):
On our shows or not.

Speaker 8 (01:38:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
I tend to agree, and you're right about the red
soft campaign.

Speaker 19 (01:38:51):
We can take a take parade.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Well, you know, when you live in New Zealand, most
of our sports people go overseas to play sports. That's
sort of the white guys, isn't it Hey? I want
to talk to you guys about weight loss drugs. This
week the UK floated looking at weight loss drugs to
herb worklessness, and in fact, the UK government has announced
that they're going to do a trial with one of

(01:39:14):
these drugs to see if it can have an impact.
Do you worry about the ethical use of these drugs?
I mean, obviously, these weight loss strugs they are working.
That's why there's sort of this game changer. They could
have a huge impact on our health systems and the
quality of life that obeest people have. But should we
be going so far them? Do you think ethically? Is

(01:39:35):
to suggest that somebody, you know, an unemployed person, might
like to go on the drug which you potentially have
to be on for the rest of your life in
order to get a job.

Speaker 15 (01:39:44):
Well, look, I thought you had a really good podcast
on that this week. By the way, too, if any
think to listen to it, I'm into your minds. I'm
someone who has struggled with my weight all of my
adult life, and one of those people who was a
skinny as the bean pole all the way through until
adulthood and then all of a sudden, it came back
with a vengeance, and so follow it with a great

(01:40:06):
deal of interest because I've tried everything right in my life,
you know, and I just don't have the discipline perhaps
to keep on top of it. And so with that card,
any any additional tool I think is a really interesting
and important to watch. What I come back to, though,
is vaping. And I remember, you know, when vaping was
announced as a brilliant smoking succession is a tool, just

(01:40:31):
so session tools some people from smoking, and it was,
and it was so much more safe than smoking, and
the net plus for the health system of getting people
off smoking onto vaping was really quite clear. But you know,
we did kind of rush into that vaping, you know,
sort of established a very strong market and foothold before
we really thought it through, before we had considered all

(01:40:53):
the information. And now we've got people going straight from
nothing to vaping, right, And so I just have in
the back of my mind just that concern that again,
for all the best intensions in the world, all the
you know, we just have to make sure that we
don't repeat that mistake again.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 26 (01:41:11):
What I mean, Yeah, it's a really delicate dance and
I think it's it's really important that obviously we are
innovating and finding new ways to help people, and obviously
there are people who can't do it without a little
bit of a bit of a hand up and a
bit of assistance to not shed extra extra weight that
they need.

Speaker 19 (01:41:28):
To and stay healthy. But there's obviously that fine line.

Speaker 8 (01:41:32):
You know.

Speaker 26 (01:41:32):
I've seen things about how people who are actually needing
the medicine for its true intended purpose aren't able to
access it, and that's where the problem lies.

Speaker 19 (01:41:40):
Obviously, everything is innovating.

Speaker 26 (01:41:42):
Drugs are innovating, medicine, patient treatments are innovating and constantly evolving,
and that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 19 (01:41:48):
We're going to find other uses for drugs.

Speaker 26 (01:41:49):
But I just think it's important it doesn't come at
the expense of someone else who really needs it for
an immediate health purpose, and that people don't become to
reliant on it. And I think what you were saying
Liam as well, I think around with vaping, you know,
the whole issue is they what it was pitched as is,
like you say, the smoking says Station Toll, and people
were saying it's way healthier than smoking, but there were

(01:42:09):
no longer tudinal studies, and there still really isn't much
evidence to suggest what the health outcomes are, so I
think it's important that the research is done to make
sure that there aren't adverse effects as well and then
long term effects.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Williemin Shrimdon and Liam here, thank you so much for
your time today. And the podcast that Liam was referring
to was our final podcast in season three of The
Little Things Really interesting if you are interested at all
in these weight loss drugs. We talk about what is
available here in New Zealand, who can get it, how
you get it, how they work, the risks involved in
the long and the long term risks as well. So

(01:42:44):
you'll be able to find that at iHeartRadio or wherever
you get your podcasts. It's twenty five to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at b.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Coming up at midday is Jason Pine with Weekend Sport
and he joins me. Now, good morning, good morning, Oh
my gosh. Where do we start? You know what we're start.
Let's start with women's cricket. The women are in the
final of the T twenty World Cricket final three am
tomorrow morning after beating West Indies.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
What a great game. Yeah, incredible. You know we chatted
about this on the show yesterday actually and thought nobody
expected this. Francesca, you know, just say the sentence, the
White Ferns are into the T twenty Cricket World Cup final.
Nobody expected this, And you know that's probably fair because
they hadn't been good in the lead up to the tournament,
but during this tournament they found a way and it's

(01:43:35):
all opened up for them.

Speaker 9 (01:43:36):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:43:36):
They could beat South Africa tomorrow morning. They could win
the T twenty Cricket World Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
So you know what I love about watching the women's cricket.
They look like they're having a good time. She looked
like they're enjoying themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:43:45):
There's a real, yeah, real authenticity about them, isn't there? Yeah,
and they are very real. Some of the postmatch interviews
are terrific. Eden Carson with are all mix of emotions
when she was awarded Player of the Match after the
semi final. Merely curves on the show this afternoon and
have a chat to her about it. She's obviously a
huge part of this White Fern side. So yeah, who
knows three o'clock tomorrow morning. I've had basically zero sleep

(01:44:09):
in the last forty eight hours, but I'm not going
to miss I'm not going to miss this. I'm gonna
be up at three tomorrow morning to watch this.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
I can tell you that I know the feeling. Auckland
FC had their ailing debut yesterday afternoon. Look, I'm going
to be really honest with you, I wasn't hugually sure
how receptive people were going to be to this football
club and whether they were going to get behind it.
But it was a huge afternoon yesterday. I know that
you were in town for the game. Everyone's been raving

(01:44:34):
about the atmosphere that everybody turned up. They've all got
the merch on. It was kind of like going to
a warrior's game with football.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
It was amazing. It was a really really great day,
you know, from start to finish. The atmosphere. You're right,
I mean great that they won. You know, that's important
obviously get away with a win. That was that was
good for the players and playing you know, playing staff,
all that, coaches, etc. But the crowd was just sensational there.
They were just from the start of the game chanting singing, cheering,

(01:45:02):
standing up, stamping their feet. Your producer carry was amongst them.
I saw her down there waving, waving merchandise around and
she was having buying it for her family.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
She was having to lay down, the Lord or a
few few of the locals around quite down and sitting down.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
So yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, it was amazing, and
long may continue. I don't think you were alone in being,
you know, a little bit pessimistic about it. Who knows,
because you know, previous professional football franchises in Auckland haven't worked.
So this one, look, it's a very good start. They're
back home again next Sunday, so hopefully everyone turns up again.

(01:45:40):
It wasn't a bad way to spend a saturday, I
can tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
And then finally piney not a bad day for competitive sailing.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
And indeed, indeed, yep, the America's Cup is still our cup. Yeah,
I listened. I listened to you this morning, and you know,
I'm trying to work out how I feel about this.
I really really like Peter Burling, and I really really
like Blair Chuk and a lot of other sailors on
those on that boat or you know who are involved
in I've had the chance to interview them, and I

(01:46:08):
really like them a lot, so you know, from that
point of view, I'm just delighted that they've won it.
I just wish it was here. Will it ever come back?
Don't know. Highly unlikely, right, and hard to get invested
in a in a competition that's taking place half a
world away. But we are very good at this. We
are very very good at America's Cups.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
And let's not forget about the backroom guys, and let's
not forget about the designers, the sail makers, the boat makers,
you know, the people like that who are driving their
technology to provide these guys with a winning boat. And
that is most of that is taking place here in
New Zealand. That is pretty awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
Do you think they will be nominated for a Hellberg?

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
Oh eight, I can fairly cavin.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
I've just found my talker for the accident.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
I think you have, And I mean, gosh, it's going
to be so interesting, isn't it? When you've got Lyddy.
I mean, there's just Lyddy. I mean it's going to
always going to be a good one. Is it February?
Isn't it February March next year.

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
Yeah, I look that it's an absolutely stacked field sports sports,
sports one. This is what we're here to talk about.
But Sportswoman of the Year is absolutely stacked. I mean
like Alice Andrews is probably third favorite. You know, bind Wi,
your Cohen, Dame Lisa Carrington medals. Do you have to
win to exactly you know, get to the top of

(01:47:31):
the list.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
Look, Pony, looking forward to the show. Thank you so
much for your time. Poney will be back at midday
with Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
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Travel with Wendy wu tours unique fully inclusive tours around
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Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Our travel correspondent Megan Singleton has just been a week
in Raratonga and she joins us now with some of
her best her top picks for holidaying and Raratonga. And
of course none of this is sponsored. You made all
these decisions and paid for everything yourself.

Speaker 8 (01:48:10):
I did, I did, I know.

Speaker 27 (01:48:12):
So it's great because last year I was over there
with a group of ladies in March and that was lovely.
It was warmer, but almost a bit too hot. So
this year, going in October, I was thinking, oh, it
looks like on the apps it's only going to be
in the sort of low to mid twenties. Well, actually
it turned out some days were twenty eight degrees already.
And I think too, when you look at the weather

(01:48:33):
apps for Raratonga, you're seeing maybe some cloud or rain
or whatever, but you go around the other side of
the island and it's a lovely sunny day. So don't
be distressed if you're heading off there and you think
that the weather's looking bad for next week, because the
chances are it won't be, not all the way around
the island anyway. So one of the tips I do
have is to hire a car. It's an easy island

(01:48:55):
to tootle around. The top speed is fifty k's. People
go less than that. It's only the tourists that drive
up people's jaxies to try and get around, so it's
really easy island. And then you can visit lots of
different places resorts to go and have a lunch or
you know, a paddle or a cocktail or a star
treatment or something like that. So that is one of

(01:49:17):
my recommendations. One of the car rental companies that was
just put their bond up to three and a half
thousand dollars, which took me by surprise.

Speaker 8 (01:49:25):
So check on the.

Speaker 27 (01:49:27):
Fine print on that, because you don't want that blocked
on your credit card. If that's all the limit that
you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
That's true, very true. Hey, some top tips for where
to eat?

Speaker 27 (01:49:37):
Yeah, I loved antibodies. That would be my top. It's
up on the hill you could look where it's whale
watching time. So we saw Wales's tamar and House was
another really lovely one. The Nautilus had the best pinacoladas
on the island to my mind. The Murray night Markets,
a pop up food trucks beautiful, cheap and cheerful. And
OTB restaurant which means on the beach, and that is

(01:49:59):
actually at the resort we stayed at, which was Manulia
and I'm doing it again, Francisca. We loved it so much.
I'm going to have to organize another to her next year.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
If you were going to spend money on maybe doing
one sort of little outing, I would love to go
and snorkel with turtles. Is that something you'd recommend?

Speaker 8 (01:50:17):
Absolutely?

Speaker 27 (01:50:18):
And we went with a company called go Local. There
are lots of companies and this one takes photos and
it's all included with the package. And I've just while
I was on hold, finished off or updated a blog
post and I've put some turtle photos on there. Absolutely magic,
everyone said, And I took twelve of us on that tour.
We loved it and we would do that again. In
the channel where the turtles are just they look like

(01:50:40):
they're closer than they appear.

Speaker 8 (01:50:42):
They're not.

Speaker 27 (01:50:42):
We never touched them, we didn't chase them, we didn't
get near them, but they look amazing and I would
totally recommend that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
Fantastic. Thank you, Meghan. Good to hear you've got a
post too, So Meghan will have all her Raratonga tips
at blogger at large dot com. Twelve to twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Books with wiggles for the best selection of Greg Reaves.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
You were a Sunday session and it is time to
tour books now, and I'm joined by Joe McKenzie. Good morning. Hello,
So John Grisham and Jim McCloskey have joined up.

Speaker 28 (01:51:12):
Yes, And John Grisham of course is most well known
for his fiction, of which he has written a great deal,
but I've always said, and I'm sure I've said it
on this show. He's always on the right side of things.
And in this book, he's teamed up with a guy
called Jim McCloskey, who founded an organization to look into
miscarriages of justice, and the two of them in this
book are presenting ten miscarriages of justice in America. And

(01:51:35):
I tell you what, if he had written this is fiction,
you would read it and you'd say, well, this is
simply unbelievable. Yeah, but it's all true, and it's just shocking.
Many of these people have spent decades in prison, but
they are innocent, or they were innocent, and they've got
corrupt judges and really bad lawyers and completely ill informed,

(01:51:59):
inadequate juries. You've got incredibly corrupt police. You have DNA
evidence which clearly exonerates these people that were simply ignored
or the police then completely reconstructed their case so that
the DNA didn't need to be included. There's all sorts
of extraordinary stuff, and I've found it deeply, deeply moving.

(01:52:21):
In some cases, judges would eventually grant a retrial, but
the retrial process would take years and years, so some
of them would spend eight to ten years ongoing in
prison simply awaiting the retrial. It's an appalling indictment on
the American judicial system. And as Grisham says, all of
the judges in America are elected, and if you look

(01:52:42):
at the lowest level of the judiciary who often hear
cases in the first instance, he says, you don't even
need a high school diploma.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
Okay, don't think you need to say I don't think
you need to say anything else. It's just it's shocking.

Speaker 28 (01:52:55):
But I will say, if you are interested in justice,
or if you like a good thriller in the style
of John Grisham, then this is the book for you.
But cry It's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Where Are the Stars by Gena Tick is the next
book you're going to talk about. And us fortunate enough
to talk to Gena a few weeks back. Really remarkable
story and just you know, she has learned so much
throughout her life about living and life and loss, hasn't.

Speaker 28 (01:53:25):
She She's learned some really hard life lessons. People who
heard that review will know of that interview, sorry, will
know about this book. It is quite an extraordinary story.
She had a childhood where she felt she never fit in.
She eventually moved to Sydney where she joined the rave scene,
but eventually was fell in love with a guy who

(01:53:46):
was not who he claimed to be led her on
a treat and she spent I think at least two
years living with this guy who was completely misrepresenting himself
and just you know, strung her aligned for a very
long time. And when she came out of that, she
realized that she needed to get back to nature, which
is her happy place, and she needed to kind of
find herself, and she signed up to go to New

(01:54:07):
Jersey to a school where they teach you tracking out
in the wilderness. So she went there and did that
and met a guy who then moved back to Australia
with her, and of course they spent some years together.
The poor woman had five miscarriages. She did eventually have
a daughter. Gina herself had cancer twice. Her daughter so sadly,

(01:54:28):
also got cancer and didn't survive it. And Gina then
began to live this really elemental life in the in nature.
Just you know, she needed that to try it and
help herself get through it, and she does it in
the most extraordinary way. It's not in the book, but
She quite recently competed in the first episode of Alone Australia,

(01:54:51):
which is where ten contestants were signed up and they
were dropped into the wilds of Tasmania with only I
think it was ten essential essential survival items and the
thing of the program was to see who would the
last one standing, and it was her after sixty seven days.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
And quite frankly, she could have sat there for another
thirty if she had to.

Speaker 28 (01:55:12):
I saw the photos of her when she came out,
absolutely extraordinary. So as I say, that's not in the book,
but that is the kind of woman that she is.
She's completely remarkable and this is a very moving, compelling story.

Speaker 19 (01:55:23):
It certainly is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
The book is called We Are the Stars by Gena
Chick and the first book we spoke about was framed
by John Gresham and Jim McCloskey. Thank you so much, Joan,
See you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
Thank you so much for joining us today on the show.
Thank you to Kerry for producing the show. Our guest
today with Jim Arterton, British actress and Andrew Fagan talking
about his solo adventures his solo enduring sailing endurance Adventures.
You'll be able to catch both those interviews at newstalkzb
dot co dot mz ford Slash Sunday next week on

(01:56:04):
the show, Comedian Jack Whitehall his father Michael joined me
ahead of their tour to New Zealand. And Nagi Nagi
Mahashi has a new cookbook out and it is absolutely fabulous.
We're going to catch up with her as well. Enjoy
the rest of your Sunday, Take care honesday.

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