Full Show Podcast: 30 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good morning, this is a Sunday Session. I'm Francisca Rudkin,
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In two thousand and seven, twenty year old Amanda Knox
became a global headline when she was arrested for the
brutal murder of her British flatmate, Meredith Kirscher. She was
found guilty and spent four years in an Italian president

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and the ruling was overturned in twenty eleven. But that
wasn't the end of the story. There was another trial,
a guilty verdict, and another acquittal in twenty fifteen. A
defamation case continues. We talked to Amanda about how she
survived prison and how one puts their life back together
after such an experience. Also on the show Today, the

(01:10):
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few years. We're going to talk about getting out of
a comfort zone, overcoming self doubt and surviving the entertainment industry.
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Speaker 3 (01:28):
Two, it's a Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
So after two years, Auckland Council has finally picked a
winner in the race to be the future New Zealand
National Stadium, although it doesn't really feel like a win,
just a little more clarity and maybe not even that.
The process was supposed to take three months, but on
Thursday Auckland Council finally picked between the two contenders, a
new stadium on the waterfront or a renovated Eden Park

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and confirmed their preference for Eden Park. It is at
this point we should acknowledge the stamina of those involved
on the projects, which answered Auckland Council's call in twenty
twenty three for expressions of interest for a new or
upgrade stadium. I applaud their passion for bold ideas and
ambition to create a more vibrant city that will attract people, performers,

(02:13):
and financial returns. I just hope they've got a lot
more stamina in them because there's still a fair distance
to travel. That's because after all this time and debate
dating back actually to two thousand and six when the
Council contemplated a waterfront stadium over eden Park for the
twenty eleven Rugby World Cup, there isn't actually any public

(02:35):
money available to get any of this done. The Council
doesn't have any money budgeted for a national stadium. They're
passing the ball to Central Government, but council support is
important to eden Park trust is there are current constraints
on how it can be used and there's no point
spending another sent on eden Park if it can't be
used more as a multi purpose venue. The Council would

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also quite like eden Park repay it's fifty eight million
doll alone from the Rugby World Cup by its due
date twenty twenty nine. Eden Park CEO Nick Sortoner told
Mike Costing Breakfast on Friday he was confident about the
conversation eden Park could have with Central Government and why
wouldn't he be. The Prime Minister has made it clear
he wants New Zealand to have a culture of saying yes,

(03:21):
one hundred and ten million is what eden Park needs
for the first stage of its development on the Lower
North Stand. According to Sortn, Eden Park is not looking
for new money, but for the government to be more
efficient with existing money. And I'm not sure what this means.
Are they targeting sport and recreations budget or the infrastructure budget.
Sortana's confident confidence likely dimmed a little by the end

(03:43):
of the day when Associate Finance Minister David seem more
politely told Ryan Bridge here on news Talks. Heb that
everyone's a bit shorter money these days, even the government,
and it's hard to imagine they will put one hundred
and ten million into a stadium. The Prime Minister added
that putting money towards schools, hospitals and roading was more
of a priority than helping fund and upgraded eden Park.

(04:04):
They might need to crack into a PPP for fun
sooner than they're currently anticipating for stage two. So while
some celebrated that clarity had been provided, we're sticking with
the status quo. We haven't really made a decision or
put to bed the great New Zealand stadium debate. Why

(04:25):
because it didn't really matter who the council picked. Both
options can continue regardless of the Council's decision. It comes
down to who can find the money first. And from
what I've heard, the tetong Uroa Consortium is continuing with
its planning for a waterfront stadium. Look, no one can
argue schools, hospitals, roads are more important. But hopefully someone

(04:48):
with the stamina and vision can pull off one of
these options sometime in the next decade.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I'm not going to hold my breath the Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Why would you put your money on? Why would you
put your money on? Do you think that someone is
going to be able to pull us off any times?
Two ninety two is the text you're with news talks
heb it is twelve past nine.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
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Speaker 2 (05:21):
Used Talks' be fourteen past nine, writ in just under
in our Finance Minister Nikola Willis is set to announce
her plan to improve competition in the grocery sector. This
is another long running debate, isn't it just how do
we break up the duopoly of food stuffs and Wolworths
to chat over what might be required and what he
would like to see from this announcement. I'm joined by

(05:42):
competition consultant and grocery policy expert Ernie Newman. Thank you
for your time this morning, Ernie, Good morning, good a Fendi.
What's your feeling about how today's announcement will go.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
I'm not particularly optimistic. I'd love to be proved wrong,
but I feel we're in a generation of politicians who
are much more focused on announcements with outcomes. So call
me a cynic if you like, but as I say,
I would love to be proved wrong. In our sign Nicola.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Willis is willing to give a third player the VIP treatment.
What actually would it take do you think to get
a third player up and running in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
It's very very difficult. Indeed, the duopoly you've got it
sewn up to the point that you know they are
just not the pieces of land available for a whole
lot of new supermarkets. There are incredible barriers that they've
put in place. They've made the industry incredibly much of

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fortress and it's a bit like the banking industry. You know,
you've got a few incumbents there who are making obscene
levels of profit, but they've done it not by competing,
but by shutting out other players.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Bernie, I've been told that if we were going to
have an international brand establish at South here in New Zealand,
it could take up to five years just to open
one store. Is that about right?

Speaker 4 (07:03):
I'd love to think it would take for only five
years going to actually to actually do anything useful here.
You need one hundred and fifty two hundred stores all
around the country. This is you know, New Zealand is
not all going to zooming on Hamilton because that's where
the one new store is. Supermarkets are something inherently local,
so you actually great to bring in a new entrant,

(07:26):
but you've got to do something about the anti competitive
behavior of the the two that we've got at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Have you heard any rooms or are you aware at
all that there is an international player who is considering
New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
There are always rumors around, and of course there are
always local potential players as well. I mean to me personally,
and I've got no inside information on this. To me,
the dream outcome for New Zealand would be for the
warehouse to go out of its general merchandise to itselve
over completely to be a new grocery chain and work
with the support of EWI so that the metropolitan sites

(08:02):
the warehouse has would be supplemented by EWI Capital and
POTENTI some EWE land. But you know, whether that's a
pipe dream or could have an I don't know, but
to me that's the kind of disruptive entrant that we
really need. International player as well. You know, you've got Costco.
They are essentially more a wholesale than a retailer, and

(08:24):
you don't hear much about them that know, Supie had
had to go. They were a local company. They could
hack it. Despite a lot of enthusiasm there, it's a
really really hard market to get into because the geopoleague
has made it so.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
And of course everybody uses the example of Aldi in Australia,
but it took them twenty years to each scale to
become a major.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Payer, didn't it. Yeah? Yeah, And I mean the Australians
complain about their lack of competition just as much as
they do. I think their two major players have got
sixty something percent of the market, whereas our to have
got well over eighty, so they've got nothing to complain about.
But it is it is a game that requires time.
But I come back to the point that unless you
actually do something about the totally anti can competitive way

(09:07):
our duopoly has developed. You know, from you know, twenty
or thirty years ago, we had five or six genuinely
competing supermarket chains in this country and it's been consolidated
to a ridiculously narrow group. They're not interested in competing
with each other for market share. All they are concerned
about is maximizing their profits.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Having a third player in the market is a sort
of a long term solution, isn't it. But if we
wanted a shorter term solution, I mean, isn't the way
to get competition quickly to break is to break up
the two major current entities in the sector.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
I believe so, yes, and it's a courageous thing to do,
but it is the right thing to do. You know,
we have very weak competition law, what they call anti
trust law in this country. More to the point, we
don't really I think, have the political will. You know,
we've got the influence of the far right there. I
would say would argue that, you know, I would send

(10:03):
a bad signal to other businesses if the government into
v In fact, the reverse is true. If the government
intervened and broke up the duopoly, that would be a
very powerful signal of encouragement to small and medium enterprises
all over New Zealand, because they are suffering from this
just as much as consumers are.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Okay, so what would you like to see Nichola Willis
announce this morning?

Speaker 4 (10:26):
I'd like to see her announce that one or both
of the duopolist is going to be broken up through legislation,
so that for example, you know, Pack and Save and
four Square and the New World genuinely compete against each
other and instead of being controlled by the same mister
Big did I with Wilworth and or will tend to

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be split into separate wholesale and retail operations. I think
anything sort of a decisive breakup of what we've got
is going to be a thirty year plan and not
a five year plan. But I'd love to be proved wrong.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Franchis, do you think the government is being realistic comes
to the grocery sector and where it's currently at.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Ask me that they are.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Fair enough, Ernie loving to talk to you. Thank you
so much for your time this morning. That was Ernie Newman.
We shall wait and see, as we said. Nichola Willis
will be making her announcement around ten a m. This morning.
It is twenty past nine for the Sunday session. Can We.
Fashion designer Sarah Lily has taken to social media after
finding not only her not I'll start again, after finding

(11:36):
not only her designs but her original photos on Fast
fashion brand Sheen. In a video shared to Facebook, Livy
revealed screenshots of at least two of her Friday Flamingo
designs being sold on the site. Sheen has since removed
the photos and items for sale. To discuss how this
all sits from a legal perspective and what level of

(11:57):
protection Kee We companies have. I'm joined by intellectual property
law expert Kate Duckworth. Thanks for your time this morning, Kate,
Good morning.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
Good morning. Thank you for having me on your show.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Hey, what are the rules here? Can a company overseas
take someone else's designs and sell them?

Speaker 6 (12:14):
No?

Speaker 5 (12:15):
And this is so blatant, isn't it. The dresses are
almost identical, and they probably are identical, and the photographs
that are clearly the exact photographs being new So it's
one of the more blatant and brazen examples that I've seen.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
So if they had taken the design but photographed it
themselves and maybe just altered it a fraction, they could
potentially get away with it.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Yes, that question of how much of an alteration is
it that it takes it away from the original, So
that's when things get murky. But this one, at least
from what we've seen, does look to be very similar,
if not the same.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Oh, it's outrageous. I mean the photos. It looks like
they've just literally taken the marketing photos and youth that
they haven't even bothered trying to pretend that they haven't
yellen it.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
You know, I agree, it's very blatant, very obvious.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
So what does what sort of legal standing does a
business like serially have here?

Speaker 5 (13:17):
There's a couple of legal avenues, and from what it
looks like, you would have a strong case under copyright
for copying the dress design, copyright in the photographs themselves,
and perhaps some other remedies at least in New Zealand
under New Zealand law, for something like passing off where

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consumers would think that the original is or the second
comer is exactly the same as the original. It doesn't
perceive any difference, and the Fair Trading Acts for misleading
and deceptive conduct. But it's this problem with the Internet
of territoriality.

Speaker 7 (13:59):
So what's that It's sorry, carry on, go ahead, you
know it is still the wild West. How do you
how do you enforce your rights on a website that's
based overseas.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
That was going to be my next question, especially if
you're a small New Zealand business, What is involved in
trying to take them on.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Well, the first step has been done and it seems
that Shine has apologized and taken it down, which is
a huge win and means that perhaps no further action
needs to be taken except for some very vigilant monitoring.
But if that wasn't the case, and if Seine either
ignored the requests or just said no, and then you're

(14:43):
looking at having to try and find a court that
would enforce your rights against them and force them to
take down the pictures. But it's expensive, it can be
time consuming, and because of that territoriality or jurisdictional problem
can be very hard to do.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Is it a common problem with sites like this and Timu.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Yes, it is, I think, and that's one of the
problems with these sites is that even if people know
that it's not real and that it's ripping off and
hurting a New Zealand designer, the price is so low
it's just so tempting.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
There really is an element though, of responsibility on the
consumer here to call out these companies and not buy
cheaper ripoffs as well, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Yeah, that is really the only way I think is
that is to say, hey, don't harm New Zealand designers
in New Zealand businesses and by the real thing. But yeah,
I think that the price is so low. I can
I'd like to think I wouldn't do it myself, but
I can see why people do it.

Speaker 8 (15:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
No, we've put a band on those websites in our house. Kate, Look,
thank you for talking us through that. Really appreciate your
time this morning. It is twenty five partner. I thank
you very much for your feedback as well.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Well.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Stay with Eden Park and develop that. At the end
of the day, for the Waterfront Stadium to get funding,
I would say they will want to off set against
getting eden Park to develop that land into housing. I'm
sure those in Kingsland won't be happy to have a
housing development either. End of the day, Eden Park has
been there longer than those who have moved into the
area to live. And another one here says absolutely dreaming

(16:31):
while Auckland, Macarau and christ which will grow its offering
with the new stadium, I completely agree. I think the
stadium a second harbor crossing. I honestly do not know
where I will see it in my lifetime. They've pretty
much been talking about it since I was born. Most
welcome to text anytime. Ninety two ninety two.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
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Speaker 2 (17:02):
And I am joined now by Newstalk ZB political editor
Jason will Good morning, Oh, good morning. We've just been
talking about the supermarket announcement which is expected at ten
a m. This morning. Do you have any idea what
might be announced?

Speaker 9 (17:17):
Yeah, Well, as I understand that Nikola Willis is going
to be announcing sort of the next steps into how
we can get a new competitor into the market, so
we won't be getting sort of an announcement that says
as of tomorrow ASDA or Aldi or one of the
other big ones are going to be hitting New Zealand
shore and going to be setting up shop everywhere across
the country. More like she's just announcing the facilities in

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which they're going to be able to arrive here. Nikola
Willis has long been talking about the fact that to
drive down competition we need more players in the market,
and that's what I understand that she's going to be
announcing today. She's in terms of how she does this,
I think that's a little bit more of the question.
It could be changes to tax settings, it could be
changes to the laws around the way that existing players

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have to free up some of the land that they have.
So we'll watch this one with bated breath because it's
an issue that a lot of people that care about.
I mean, you know, we've got inflation under control, but
the cost of supermarket and the cost of living is
still a profound issue for many people.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
And you don't imagine that there will be any discussion
about how we can speed up competition by doing taking
any measures against the existing players in the SECTI well.

Speaker 9 (18:28):
I mean they could well be. There's the Commerce Commission
and of course as the Grocery Commissioner as well, whose
job is to specifically do those things. So there could
be some expanded powers there. But the supermarkets will fight
this tooth and nail. I mean they say that they
are competitive, they say that they just work in a
very low margin environment and this is just the way

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that it is. But Nicola Willis is not buying what
they're selling.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
But we're doing the sniff taste for an announcement about
an announcement. What do we are we announcing anything this morning?

Speaker 9 (19:00):
Well, I mean you've always got to be worried, don't you,
because this has become a thing with New Zealand government.
It's not just the previous one, which ily this government
called them out for, but this one's done it as well.
I mean you'll remember the announcement in December about the ferries,
which was an announcement of an announcement. So I do think
we're going to get something today. I think it's not
going to be a meety as I said, Asda is

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coming to New Zealand, but it is going to be
we have done this to facilitate that.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I would say, Okay, speaking about ferries, we do have
an announcement on theories tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (19:31):
We do?

Speaker 9 (19:31):
We do? We know this for a couple of reasons
because back when we did have that announcement of announcement,
we were told that essentially there would be a decision
made before the end of March. Well, tomorrow is March
thirty first, is the last cabinet meeting of March, and
Winston Peter's in the house on Thursday said that people
would only have to wait four more sleeps to get

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an announcement about the fairies. So on this one it
sounds like Nikola Willis had something ready to go and
maybe about June or July this year, but Winston Peters
came in and said, hang on a second, I think
I can find a better deal. So Cabinet said, okay,
well you have until the end of March to come
back with your deal and then we can look at
that versus Nicola Willis's deal and decide which one we

(20:15):
want to go with. So as well as getting the
best deal for New Zealanders as well as you know,
figuring out the next steps, so not just the ferries
but this surrounding infrastructure. I'm also really curious to see
who won out. Is it Nicola or is it Winston?

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I feel like this morning on the Sunday station, we're
just focusing on very long running debates. We've done stadiums,
we're doing supermarkets, we're doing ferries. But look, it wasn't
a good week for the Greens, was it.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
No?

Speaker 9 (20:43):
No, it was a terrible week for the Greens. I
mean Tomatha Paul made those comments about police on the
beat and potentially all they doing is taking away homeless
people's stuff. And she said that at a university event
on the disestablishment disestablishing of the police, or it had

(21:03):
some name like the Radical Disestablishment of Police, with which,
of course, you know, a lot of people cocked an
eyebrow at a member of Parliament and an elected official
talking about the fact that we should have fewer police
and people are actually not finding them actually helpful on
the street. In fact the opposite, you know, she says
that people find them a hindrance and they don't like

(21:25):
seeing them around. So Chris Chris Hipkins, Chris Luxon, sorry,
the Prime Minister said the Greens were in Lalla Land.
We had actually Chris Hipkins, the labor leader, so there
would be bedfellows calling the comments stupid. So they're not
finding a lot of love with even their own opposition
parties rather than the government as well, so it's definitely

(21:46):
one to watch. The Greens have really been in a
bit of a spiral when it comes to law and
order recently, specifically around Tamotha Paul making these comments first
about the fact that most of the vast majority of
people in prison are there because they have mental health
issues or they've committed like sort of low grade crimes,
which is absolutely the furthest from the truth. So I

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think they need to be worried about this one.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Look and just finally, Jason was seeing some pretty terrible
scenes coming out of me Emma. What has the government's
response been. New Zealand Government's response being.

Speaker 9 (22:18):
Well, they've given two million dollars worth of aid from
the Disaster Relief Fund, which is a part of money
that m FAT has on hand when there was a
disaster like this. So the death toll is climbing. The
most recent numbers I saw that said that it was
close to a thousands at this point, which is obviously tragic.
So New Zealand government giving it always starts off small

(22:39):
and if it needs to be bigger. It will be bigger,
So I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more money
being given to the relief efforts over there. But for
now we're keeping a watching brief in terms of if
any New Zealanders were caught up at all this stage.
It doesn't look like there have been any New Zealand fatalities,
but we'll keep an eye on that one.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Thank you so much for your time this morning. Jason
is always very much appreciated. Thank you too for your
takes flooding it on eden Park. Eden Park upgrade is
exactly the non productive work that is going on in
New Zealand. New Zealand does need ack a brock a
boost to our ego. Where's the vision? Another one text
reads it doesn't surprise me that the council voted for

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eden Park option to put a roof on the stadium.
They can't have Dunedin and christ having a roof while
they go without boohoo. They've got one.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
We want one to look.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
To be honest with you, I understand the ease of
continuing with eden Park. It's what the Council's chosen before
they want their money back. Is a rate payer I
quite like that to happen too. It does mean that
other stadiums won't lose their current events because it is expected.
The Waterfront Stadium, you know, goes ahead and it's going
to be profitable. It's going to have to take a
lot of events from Mount Smart and various other stadiums

(23:53):
around the city. But for all that practicality, how exciting
would it be to have a pretty dire part of
the inner city turned into an entertainment and sporting hub,
you know, surrounded sort of purpose built areas, you know,
that make going to an event at the stadium really
exciting and fun. It would be very transformational. And we

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could also create a stadium which is designed to watch
sport played on rectangular fields, unlike Eaton Park, where you
go you can be a million miles away from the
action because you've got an oval. You've got an oval
stadium and you're watching rectangular sport, and you've got the beautiful,
gradual sort of slope as the chairs go up. You
want them like those the UK stadiums where they watch football. Right,

(24:38):
it's almost upright, you're on top of the game. You're
in it. Anyway, As I said, I'm not Gonna Hold
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this morning, Amanda Knox is with me. We're going to
talk about life after being wrongly accused of murder in
Italy in two thousand and seven. Right now, though, it's
been a big start to the for Kiwi startup Kitia
here Health, the digital health company has created a world
first censorship which wirelessly measures fluid on the brain. In

(25:16):
the last three months, kitia has secured a place in
the FDA Fast Track Program, They've completed a world first
implanting one of their senses in the brain of a child,
and the company has opened up to retail investors to
raise capital. They're well on their way to raising their
funding target of ten million dollars. Simon Malpass is the
co founder of Kitia Health, and he joins me now, good.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Morning, Good morning, Simon.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
This is life saving technology. Talk me through why this
brain chip is so beneficial.

Speaker 10 (25:48):
Yeah, so people who have this condition hydrocephalus. Great, big
tough word, but it means too much fluid around the brain.
And it's what surgeons do is they place this tube
to drain this excess fluid from the brain to the stomach.
And that's all great, but it has the worst failure
rate of any medical device. Fifty percent of these tubes,

(26:10):
these shunts will fail in the first two years. And
the symptoms of when it fails are simply headache. Maybe
are feeling a bit unwell under the weather, and so
these poor people go off to hospital repeatedly and it
turns out to be just a headache. So the problem
is there's no means to monitor the pressure within the brain.
And that's what we do for the very first time,

(26:30):
so these people can actually monitor their own brain pressure
at home and give guidance to themselves, their family and
physicians as to whether they're rarely got a life threatening
issue or it is just a headache.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Oh, guidance and I imagine a huge amount of relief
as well.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Simon Ah.

Speaker 10 (26:48):
Yes, yes, we've met lots of families around the motive
who say, you know, it's it's like we know a
train crash is going to happen, but we never know when.
And so what we do is we provide guidance for
those families, reducing anxiety, but also reductions in the in
the healthcare system costs because we reduce the needless hospitalizations,

(27:11):
the MRIs and the cts as well, So it's a
lot of positive impacts across the board.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Do you mind explaining to me sort of the size
of the chip and how it's implanted into the brain,
because it does sound a little bit scary, doesn't it.

Speaker 10 (27:25):
Yeah, you know, I completely get it. It sounds very
sci fi and it is ten years of research in
the University of Auckland bio Engineering Institute before the company
got started. But it is based on semiconductor industry manufacturing
about really producing tiny, tiny glass microsensors that measure pressure.

(27:46):
So it's only point three of a gram and as
such it is the world's smallest brain implant ever developed
at the moment, and we're so pleased to be in
our clinical trials in Auckland City Hospital treating KIWIS. So
it's just a fantastic position to be in and we

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just want to extend the trial next year around the
country and then around the world as well with the FDA.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
So talk to us about how the human trials are going,
how many people currently have these chips at the.

Speaker 10 (28:19):
Moment, so we've finished all of the adults. They're all
enrolled and have have had surgery. We don't we should
say we only add five minutes extra surgery. So they're
already having a piece of neurosurgery to replace this tube
that I mentioned. It's not like a special thing and
that's great from a surgical perspective. So ten ten adults

(28:41):
are already underway, that most of them have finished the trial.
And then we've also just started the children and now
done some very young, very young children as well. So
they will continue throughout the next few months gathering and
enrolling more children as they come into kneeding surgery for
this condition. And then that all gets wrapped up and

(29:03):
reviewed independently, and we expect to be able to ue
the trial rolling out around the country later next year.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
You've secured only one of sixty five places worldwide on
the FDA FAUST Track approval program. How big is that
for a Quey company.

Speaker 10 (29:18):
Yeah, it's we certainly are the first one to do that.
It's extreme. You go from meeting every three months with
the FDA to meeting every couple of weeks if you
want to and people think they're the big bad wolf.
Actually they're not. They're terribly helpful. They want to see

(29:39):
our technology and they've said this is a game changer
for our patient groups, so they want to see us
get through quicker. They want to make sure obviously it's safe,
but they really are trying to help, so it is
totally a game changer. The other part is that it
enables us to connect with some of the insurers, the
payers as we call them, the people that we're paying

(29:59):
for the technology, and make sure that not only it
gets regulatory approval, but someone will pay for it.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
And will you have to do trials in the US.

Speaker 10 (30:09):
Yes, yes, we expect to start that and that's why
we're capital raising on Snowball at the moment. Yes, trials
do commence in the US next year with the FDA approval,
which we expect towards the end of the year. Yeah.
So the FDA does like you to have well wants
you to have US citizens enrolled in their trials, and
I understand that, but it's not a It will be

(30:31):
very similar to the New Zealand trials, looking at benefits,
health economics, a whole host of different things. But we
fully expect that we can be obtaining clearance into the
market to being able to sell in the US and
therefore the economic benefits coming back to the country really
in the next couple of years.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
And as you said, there's all sort of coincides with
getting more investment on board and you've opened up two
retail investors. What has the interest.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Been like, amazing, good, amazing, amazing.

Speaker 10 (31:04):
Yeah. I think medical technologies like ours that are world first,
and I think they do resonate with New Zealanders. Also
having an outcome, you know, a health outcome and doing
something good resonates as well. So I'm just so stoked
at having hundreds of New Zealanders get behind us on Snowball.

(31:25):
It has been amazing. There's still work to be done,
we're not there yet, but we're quickly getting close to
where we want to be and then the trials will
be able to go forward with security.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
So this funding, sorry, was this to help you with
the work in the US and with the e FDA.

Speaker 10 (31:44):
But both to be able to secure running the New
Zealand trial next year, which is really about getting it
out to New Zealanders. We received fifteen million dollars of
grant funding taxpayers dollars in the university came into us
to develop the core technology. We have a moral responsibility
to get this out to New Zealanders and very close

(32:06):
to being able to have this on market in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
That was my next question.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
How soon can we see this technology in practice?

Speaker 10 (32:15):
That's right. Yeah, So the idea is we need to
do a follow what we call a pivotal trial that
shows the health economics to the health system that it's
not going to be cost a whole lot more. That's
really important. And then of course the US trial we
want to be able to fund as well. We need
to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Oh, Simon, great news. Thank you so much for talking
to us this morning. Really appreciate it that with. Simon
Malpassho was one of the co founders of Kittya who
have developed this world first this censorship which wirelessly measures
fluid on the brain. Simon was also shortlisted for the
Innovator of the Year at the Quibank New Zealander of

(32:57):
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I think most of us remember the name Amanda Knox.
In two thousand and seven, Amanda was arrested for the
brutal murder of her flatmate while studying in Italy. The
global media was endlessly fixated on Foxy Knoxy following her conviction,
her acquittal in her second conviction and acquittal, But can
you remember the name of the man who was convicted

(37:02):
of murdering Meredith Kirscher, We weren't quite so interested in him.
Will wait. Amanda has written a new book. It's called Free.
It's about her time in an Italian prison, how she
continues to rebuild her life and tries to move on
from being known as the girl accused of murder. Amanda
Knox is with me next, Yeah, with news Talks. He'd

(37:24):
bet it is forty ten. Whenever a fall.

Speaker 13 (37:32):
Your hearts From now, there's something in the way that
you're talking.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
The worst of soumra.

Speaker 14 (37:43):
But I hear them, Mom, move inside, you go.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
I'll be waiting when you call.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
And whenever are.

Speaker 14 (37:56):
Fall shophy, you let shorty rain.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Down on me, whenever a talk, your.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Blow tardy pain.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
We never off.

Speaker 13 (38:19):
Fall, We never up fall, will never apfall, We never upfall.
The finger of blame has turned upon itself and more.

(38:39):
When to of myself? Do my preson? Need my help?

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Money?

Speaker 15 (38:49):
Never?

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Speaker 2 (39:09):
Good morning, good to have you with us here on
the Sunday Session. In two thousand and seven, twenty year
old Amanda Knox became a global headline when she was
arrested for the brutal murder of her British flatmate, Meredith Kirscher.
Amanda was found guilty, convicted of the murder, and spent
four years in an Italian prison, but as we know now,
she was wrongly convicted. It's been ten years since Amanda

(39:30):
was officially exonerated of the crime, and now she's telling
her story. Amanda has written a memoir. It's called Free.
It tells of being wrongly convicted, surviving those years in prison,
and adapting back to life on the outside. Amanda Knox
joins me now to share her story. Good morning, Amanda,
good morning. Tell me about life in prison. It was

(39:50):
obviously incredibly hard at first, but you found a way
to be useful.

Speaker 15 (39:56):
Yeah, in the same way that I think poets find
limitations and constraints to be really conducive to creativity. When
you don't have many options, you I ended up being
able to see clearly what you have to offer to
your community. And I saw very clearly that I was
very different than a lot of the women that I
was imprisoned with. I was educated, I was healthy, I

(40:19):
had this familial support, and so eventually I realized, Wow,
instead of just being in constant contest for scarce resources
with my fellow prisoners, I could be a resource myself,
and I developed my little prison hustle, which involved a
lot of translating. There were a lot of foreigners in

(40:39):
the prison, so I was translating between English and Italian,
but also random languages that I was just using the dictionary.

Speaker 16 (40:46):
For I also was a scribe.

Speaker 15 (40:49):
I had really good handwriting, so people wanted me to
write their letters for them so that they would be
pretty for the person who received them. And I gave
quite a few back massages, not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
So how important was that purpose.

Speaker 16 (41:04):
It was?

Speaker 15 (41:05):
I think it was really important, especially for that sense
of community. Right Like, I was facing a twenty six
year sentence and I had to ask myself, how do
I make this.

Speaker 16 (41:16):
Day worth living?

Speaker 15 (41:18):
And part of it was continuing to, you know, have
relationships with people on the outside and have a good
relationship and intellectual and emotional relationship with myself. But ultimately
I was immersed in a very restrictive environment, and I
think it was really important for my sanity to develop
a sense of place and purpose, which made it all

(41:41):
the more strange to realize like this, it was much
harder for me to find place and purpose once I
got out of prison.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, and we'll get to that. What impact does prison
have on you mentally and physically?

Speaker 16 (41:59):
Well, it's really not good.

Speaker 15 (42:02):
I know I sort of am painting a slightly rosy picture, but.

Speaker 16 (42:08):
It was horrible. It was horrible.

Speaker 15 (42:10):
I was very much I had no privacy, I had
it was. There was very little health support, both physically
and mentally. If you were dealing with any kind of issue,
you got the very barest of treatment. The food was terrible,
just like it is a toll on your body and soul.

(42:33):
And I spent the entire time that I was in
prison very sad. That was sort of my emotional baseline,
and I really I only realized this afterwards. I became
numb to so many other emotions that would have rendered
me very vulnerable.

Speaker 16 (42:48):
In prison, Like anger.

Speaker 15 (42:51):
Anger was an emotion that I wasn't I didn't really
have the luxury of entertaining in a prison environment where
I constantly had to be on my toes, I constantly
had to be looking over my shoulder and take you know,
taking care of myself. So in a survival like you're
in a survival mode, I just the only emotion that
I was really able to experience was just a deep,

(43:14):
constant sadness.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
You had a few sort of techniques that helped you survived,
and one of them was having conversations with your youngest self.
Tell me about that.

Speaker 16 (43:26):
Well, it's nice to call it a technique.

Speaker 15 (43:29):
At the time, I thought I was just going absolutely insane.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
But it was my polite way of putting it.

Speaker 15 (43:36):
Yeah, your way to say you're unraveling, and it's useful.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (43:40):
I mean, that's the really key thing is like your
brain and your heart and you and your body will
find ways to adapt to really, really difficult environments. And
one of the ways that my mind adapted to this
sense of loneliness and also to the sense of like,
I don't know how to deal with this. I don't
know was I imagined a younger version of myself who

(44:03):
had not yet gone through this experience, and I sort.

Speaker 17 (44:07):
Of baby like baby sat her through it.

Speaker 15 (44:10):
Was I was explaining to her what was going to
happen to her and how she was going to survive
and what was really hard about that.

Speaker 16 (44:17):
That's a chapter in the book that to.

Speaker 15 (44:19):
This day makes me cry, is like the fact that
I was telling myself I was going to be okay,
even though I didn't actually know for sure. I wish that,
you know, thirty seven year old me today could have
been the one talking to twenty two year old Amanda,
but unfortunately that person didn't exist yet. And it's really

(44:39):
the person I am today is in large part due
to twenty two year old Amanda and her conversations with
her younger self.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Absolutely, your mother was always optimistic. She always felt that
there was light at the end of the tunnel, but
you didn't see it that way, especially after being convicted.
Was it Why was it important to you to just
accept that this was your life?

Speaker 15 (45:02):
Well, I feel like that's really the key to life ultimately,
because that being able to just see reality for what
it is and not sort of torture yourself with wishing
reality was otherwise was a really important way for me
to encounter the prison environment. Like I couldn't open that door, right,

(45:25):
I had a barred door and.

Speaker 16 (45:26):
I could not open it.

Speaker 15 (45:27):
And I was only going to make myself suffer even
more if I fixated on the fact that I couldn't
open the door. So instead I embraced what I could control,
which was very little but ultimately important to me, and
stuff that I could have value in. And it really
looked like expanding that metaphor of this is a locked
closed door to everything about my life, like this is

(45:50):
my life, this is it?

Speaker 16 (45:52):
How do I make this life worth living?

Speaker 15 (45:55):
And you know, I definitely buttoned heads with my mom
about this, uh, because she was in a very different
emotional and mental space than me.

Speaker 16 (46:04):
She was in save my daughter, like Save.

Speaker 15 (46:08):
Amanda, and she couldn't accept that this was my life
and that this was my fate. And she didn't want
me to be trying to imagine my best life in prison.
She wanted me to be with her in the getting
Amanda out of prison idea.

Speaker 17 (46:23):
And I think I understand.

Speaker 15 (46:26):
That now as a mom, because I really do feel
that what my mom was going through was even worse
than what I was going through. She would have traded
places with me in an instant if she could, but
she couldn't.

Speaker 16 (46:39):
And so I.

Speaker 15 (46:41):
Think that it's led to a really interesting divide in
our philosophical paths. And I do think that like my
sort of ability to just like sit with reality as
it is and be okay whatever is happening externally is
ultimately the right path for an individual.

Speaker 17 (47:01):
But try telling that to a mom, Just try telling
it to a mom.

Speaker 16 (47:05):
It's not going to work.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Amanda returning home was just so overwhelming. Can you remember
those first few days and weeks?

Speaker 15 (47:15):
Oh God, the first few days and weeks were insane.
I barely ate for the first week and I barely slept,
just because I was constantly overstimulated, like I had spent
four years where I did not have access to the
people I loved except for an hour at a time,

(47:38):
like hour to time, you know, once a week. I
only had one ten minute phone call, and I only
had access to the very limited amount of things that
were in my room. And suddenly I was just inundated
with choices and people, and I got completely overwhelmed. Not
to mention, I was being chased by paparazzi and helicopters,

(48:01):
and I couldn't leave my own house without being stocked.

Speaker 16 (48:05):
It was very very.

Speaker 15 (48:09):
It was It was very, very disappointing because I felt
like I had been waiting four years to get my
life back, and then I realized very quickly that the
life that I had been sort of fantasying or fantasizing
about returning to no longer existed, and I was plunged
into what felt like a new kind of prison where

(48:31):
but one where I didn't really have a place in
the world, that I didn't really have a purpose because
I was constantly being I was still on trial for
one thing, but other than that, I was sort of
experiencing like survivor's guilt by proxy, where people were sort
of they had in their minds my identity had become

(48:51):
inexpecrably linked with my friend's death, and so any like
anything about me was just a reminder of my friend's death,
and everything that I did was an offense to her.

Speaker 16 (49:02):
Memory, and it felt like the only thing that.

Speaker 17 (49:04):
I could do was to just disappear off the face
of the earth.

Speaker 16 (49:10):
I think that it was just.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Because as horrible as the years go by, you kind
of realize that no matter what you do, people will
continue to invade your privacy and it's impossible to fight
the slender against you. I mean, that is very defeating,
isn't it.

Speaker 16 (49:25):
It is?

Speaker 15 (49:26):
And there was a period there where I was very lost.

Speaker 16 (49:30):
I was very desperate.

Speaker 15 (49:32):
I was making mistakes because I was trying to cling
to some sense of normalcy and to cling to people
who I felt like I could trust. And I ultimately
trusted some people that I absolutely should not have trusted,
and I went through experiences that put me in real danger.
And I think that is how my story really actually

(49:54):
is very universal, because people who go through traumatic experiences.

Speaker 17 (49:59):
They suffer from PTSD afterwards, and they're trying to make
sense of this horrible thing that happened to them, and
they end up like it's very very common for people
who are survivors of rape or natural you know, natural tragedies,
like you know, they are discombobulated, and their sense of

(50:20):
like what they can even you know, rest their faith
on and put their trust in is completely thrown up
into the air, and so they end up making mistakes.
And I was one example of that.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
How did you feel about people caching in on your story?
You know, you've sold magazines and newspapers and books for people,
films and TVs.

Speaker 16 (50:41):
I think my biggest regret, So.

Speaker 15 (50:45):
What I will say is I do think that what
happened to me and what happened to my roommate Meredith
is in the public interest in a way.

Speaker 17 (50:53):
It is a story that belongs to everyone.

Speaker 16 (50:57):
What I regret about.

Speaker 15 (50:59):
How the story has been consumed and packaged by the
broader public is that, very very quickly, the truth about
what happened to my friend was utterly lost. The truth
about the person who actually raped and murdered her was disappeared.
And you know, to the point that, like to this day,

(51:22):
people asked me, well, who really killed your roommate. Then, like,
it's just utterly absurd that after over ten years of
coverage there are some people out there who have no
idea that the actual murderer was found. But then, of course,
the story that sort of took over, the like that
replaced the truth of what happened to my friend, was

(51:45):
a story that was based on a horrible, misogynistic myth
that like women ultimately hate all other women, they're constantly
in sexual competition with each other, they're constantly judging each other.
Like that was the story that was packaged by the
prosecution and the media and sold for years and national

(52:07):
headlines Foxy Oxy murders her, you know, beautiful roommate in
a death orgy, and that beautiful roommate happens to be,
you know, an uptight, judgmental British girl. It's like, it
was just so absurd how we were just turned into
these these like wildly unrealistic ideas about about young women

(52:29):
at opposite sides of the binary and instead of realizing
that we were just very similar girls who were studying
abroad and discovering ourselves and trying to find our way
in the world, and had the whole.

Speaker 16 (52:42):
World ahead of us.

Speaker 15 (52:43):
I think that that's one of my biggest, you know,
sadnesses about the case is that the truth about what
happened to Meredith was lost and instead people latched onto
this this horribly misogynistic narrative that was untrue to the
both of us.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Amanda, It's it's meant that throughout your life you've been
unable to celebrate the milestones that many of us love
to celebrate, things like, you know, your wedding, the tabloids
christ your wedding. When you got pregnant, you kept it
hidden because of course, the minute people saw you living
your life, they immediately would make a reference to the

(53:20):
fact that you know, Meredith is not living her life.
So do you feel now that you are free and
that you are seen as more than just the girl
accused of murder?

Speaker 15 (53:34):
Well, those are two different questions, because because you know,
I am still seen as the girl accused of murder,
because I am I was, I was the girl accused
of murder. I of two young women who went to
go study abroad in Perusia, Italy, fate flipped a coin.
One of them did not get to go home, and

(53:54):
one of them did not get to go home. The same,
and I am forever branded with being associated with my
friend's dad. But I feel free in the sense that
I do not feel utterly and only defined by this
worst experience of my life. I've really learned to step

(54:15):
outside of that box that people have tried to trap
me in, and I've learned to stand on top of
it and use it as a platform to tell my
own story and share my own message and the insights
that I've gained along the way, in the same way.

Speaker 16 (54:30):
That like someone who.

Speaker 15 (54:33):
Has you know, has survived cancer will go on to
probably talk about, like you know, do lots of cancer
research and advocacy and support. I feel like I'm trying
to make good and pay forward the things that I
have learned from surviving myer deal.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Amanda Knox, it's been a pleasure to talk to you
this morning. Thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 16 (54:57):
Thank you so much for your time. It's been such
a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Free is in stores now. And don't forget that Ribika
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Speaker 18 (56:24):
Indeed, he's the latest Hollywood player to turn the lens
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(56:47):
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it's actually kind of positive about movie making. While you know,
he's spending a lot of time trying to make the
kool Aid movie based on the American version of RaRo,
but at the same time, like it does kind of

(57:08):
show that the credit pursuit is alive and well in Hollywood.
And it's stacked with a bunch of great guest stars,
from Martin Scorsese to Ron Howard to Sarah Polly.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
And that's what made it click for me. Hollywood playing
Hollywood like everyone's in on it.

Speaker 18 (57:24):
Yeah, totally not mean.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Spirited and kind.

Speaker 18 (57:27):
Well, yes, yes, and no, there's this. There's a real
dollop of kuber enthusiasm to this. I find like both
in terms of, yeah, the way that you know, famous
people love playing bad versions of themselves or annoying versions
of themselves, there's a touch of that, but also it's
quite hectic, like there are a lot of yelling scenes

(57:48):
and there are a lot of There are a lot
of long handheld camera single takes in the show, even
without the episode called the Oner, which beautifully destroys an
elaborately set up shot on a movie shoot. So it
can be a bit of a like, it's not a
relaxing one, I don't think, no.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
And it takes the absurdity of the industry and highlights that.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Absolutely it doesn't.

Speaker 18 (58:13):
I'm really enjoying this. I'm looking forward to watching the
rest of the series. You can catch this on Apple
TV Plus.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Now tell me about the Academy of Motion Pictures and
Sciences they're apologizing for failing to back the Palestinian oscar winner.

Speaker 18 (58:28):
Yeah, this has been an what was initially a very
concerning news story about the attack beating and detention of
Hamdan Blal, who was one of the co Oscar winners
for documentary No Other Land at this year's Academy Awards.
He was attacked by Israeli settlers this week and taken

(58:49):
into custody by the Israeli military in a completely unprovoked
seeming attack. Connections are being made to the film, which
has antagonized the Israeli setler community. It does, in grueling
details show the eradication of palace in your life in
the West Bank. But the Academy kind of put up

(59:09):
this really sort of tepid statement, and maybe this is
sort of part of what the tone in the United
States is at the moment, of people not really being
able to feel like they can stick their necks out
for things, but really sort of condemning very vaguely and banale,
sort of contemn condemning without any sort of details anyway,
a bit of a fuer or to that. The Academy

(59:31):
has made an open letter signed by over seven hundred
members today. They include Mark Ruffalo, Olivia Coleman, Emma Thompson,
Richard Gere, Susan Sarandon, why Qing Fhoenix and Penelope Cruz
and condemned the brutal assault and unlawful detention of the
oscar in it. It's a little bit too little, too late,
but it's nice to see that a formal statement about

(59:53):
this egregious attack was actually made. As they say, it
is indefensible for an organization to recognize a film with
an award in the first week of March and then
failed to defend its filmmakers just a few weeks later.
It's very retaliatory. I'm really glad the Academy made the
statement this week.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Thank you, Steve. And look, while we're talking entertainment, I
just want to say huge congratulations to everybody involved in
After the Party that was the New Zealand TV show,
which has been a nominated for Best International Show at
the Bafters, which is kind of something.

Speaker 18 (01:00:23):
It's amazing And this is not a this is not
a show making up the numbers. There are a huge
number of other shows that are in contention for this
category that are being talked about, not so much as
snubs necessarily, but just as what about this one? What
about this one? What about this One's a very competitive
category to secure a nomination and well done.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, nice work, right, A massive news study has been
released looking at what is the most effective way to
deal with lower back pain. Doctor Michelle Dickinson is across
this next twenty eight to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on News.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Talks at b Doctor Michelle Dickinson is with us now
with the science study of the week, and I think
you've got one that will really resonate with a lot
of our listeners. We're going to talk about lower back pain,
something that so many people suffer from, more issues worth.

Speaker 19 (01:01:17):
So many people have it and when you have it,
you know how it can stop almost everything in life.
You just can't get out of bed properly, you can't
do normal things. And the question is what do you do?
And if you go to the doctor. What this study
found is that doctors prescribe very very different things because
we haven't really put together a study going what works,
what doesn't work, what should you do immediately? That's why

(01:01:39):
the study is great. So it is published in BMJ
Evidence may Based Medicine BMJ Evidence Based Medicine. It is
open source, so feel free to go. Is a very
easy read. Go and have a look at it. If
you do stuffer from lower back pain and you want
to read into this more. So what they did is
they took three hundred and one different clinical trials that

(01:02:01):
looked at fifty six different treatments. They looked at who
was prescribing, then, what doctors were suggesting, what the most
common thing was, and said, these are actually the ones
that we can see work when compared against the placebo.
These are the ones you shouldn't waste your money on,
and these are the ones that we couldn't tell we
need a bit more research on. So, if you do
have lower back pain, you have one of two types.

(01:02:24):
One is acute, which is where it's suddenly come on
and you have it for less than twelve weeks, typically
an injury or something you've done. You know, you twisted
your back. Two is chronic, so that's classes you have
lower back pain for more than twelve weeks as an
ongoing thing that's happening around it. Because they decided this
study into acute and chronic back pain, and they compared

(01:02:46):
all of the treatments. And so if you have acute
back pain, you've just tweaked your back, you've just woken up,
you're like out. That really hurts the thing that they
say that really works, evidence based and it's really simple.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
And really cheap.

Speaker 19 (01:02:59):
Is ibuprofne just some pine religis literally I be profne.
Now not any type of pain relief. So I profen
is about being anti inflammatory. It's called a nonsteroidal anti
inflammatory drug. So something that is NSAIDs is what they're called,
but you would know it as ibuprofen that actually is
reducing the inflammation. The reason why I say that is

(01:03:22):
because when they looked at the effect of paracetamolic didn't
have the same. So just take some ibuprofene, rest it
a little bit, go see you're dark. But that's going
to be the thing that actually works. And what they
found that doesn't work with a cute back pain is exercise.
Because the chances are you've just tweaked something, your muscles

(01:03:44):
are all going to be spasmed up, everything's going to
be really tight. If you go, oh, I'm going to
go do some exercise. How sometimes that can cause more problems,
and they found that it doesn't help with short term
pain relief. So it's not often that I say don't exercise.
This is the one that says if it's a cute
just lear if it just rest your back, take some ibuprofen.

(01:04:04):
The other thing that they found didn't work steroid shot.
So sometimes stutters will give you a steroid shot into
your back to try and reduce that information. They found
that actually for acute information and acute back pain, it
doesn't work. All don't take that risk, don't do it.
So we're gonna move from there to the chronic pain.
So if you have chronic pain, you've had back pain
for more than twelve weeks, it's a constant thing. The

(01:04:26):
things that work. There were five treatments that they found
really worked. Number one exercise, so this is what you
should do. Strengthen your back, increase your flexibility. Although it's painful,
it really is going to help you over the long
run and it's going to and reduce the pain. Number
two taping, So if you go to a physio and
they tape it, what they do sometimes is isolate certain
muscles to take the stress off. Taping definitely helps from

(01:04:49):
a physio if you have chronic back pain. Number three
spine or manipulation therapy, chiropractice. I never thought they'd say this,
but chiropractice actually the way that they can manipulate your spine.
They found that if you have chronic back pain, really
can relieve some of the pain and take.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
The pressure off.

Speaker 19 (01:05:05):
So that's your f that's your chiropractor and making sure
you're doing exercise. Now, things that you might have to
go for a prescription for is They found some antidepressants
reduce pain perception, and if you are having long term
back pain, antidepressants might be something you need to help
you mentally deal with that. And they also found that
TRPV one agonists, which is a specific type of drug

(01:05:26):
that targets pain receptors, actually are very good at reducing that.
So that's what you do with chronic What they found
that was being prescribed for people with chronic pain that
didn't help was antibiotics. Some doctors were prescribing antibiotics because
they thought that infection might be caused to pain.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Yeah, don't do that.

Speaker 19 (01:05:44):
And these robot anesthetics, you know you get these creams
and things like numb it. They were like, yeah, you
basically you just end up smelling of this like really
hurble thing. But it's not going to work, so not
for long term pain relief. So that's what they found. Now,
what they found inconclusive and this might help fancy your
question before is and it just means that they need
more research. It doesn't mean it doesn't work or it

(01:06:05):
does work. They couldn't tell anything about acupuncture. They're just
enough research on ancupucture, massage, therapy, physiotherapy, some of those
things around back pain need more research. Heat therapy again,
couldn't tell laser therapy and electromagnetic therapy. They're like, hey,
we know they're out there. We just couldn't make the
decisions in the data that we had, so more research needed.

(01:06:25):
But basically, if you've got a cute back pain, you've
just done it. Take some ibuprofen, just dress for.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
A little bit.

Speaker 19 (01:06:31):
If you got chronic back pain, do some exercise, keep moving,
keep moving, and so treat them differently. And it's a
lovely study. So BMJ Evidence Based Medicine. If you do
have low back pain, have a read and yeah, you
can do some things about it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Thank you so much, Michelle. We'll catch up next week.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
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Speaker 15 (01:06:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
As we mentioned at the beginning of the Sunday Session
this morning, and Nicola Willis was going to announce her
plan to improve competition in the grocery sector at ten
this morning. It was generally thought that she would be
talking about measure to encourage a third party to enter
into the sector. Nikola Willis, however, is putting our supermarkets
on notice. At her announcement, she said she's considering a

(01:07:16):
possible structural separation of the sector's existing entities and has
acknowledged that we can't just wait for a new competitor
to arrive. Some players have told her they can get
basic products that they want on their shelves cheaper from
pack and safe than through wholesale. The government is going
to receive responses to what the ideal market structure will
be over a quick six week period, and Willis is

(01:07:39):
ready to propose significant changes to fix the sector. So
this is not what we were expecting. The minister said,
I'm not prepared to sit down and wait for Oldie
to turn up. That's not good enough, so I'm rushing
things along. She wants to introduce legislation this year. She said,
I'm talking about potentially massive changes. We have to get
the detail right. So that's really interesting. Not what we

(01:08:00):
expected at all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
For Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Most welcome to text ninety two ninety two have been
following that announcement and let me know your thoughts as well.
Mike vander Ellison, our resident chef, joins us. Now, good morning,
good morning. I love the fact that you have a
little suggestion here for those of us that have an
abundance of tomatoes left over from a good summer crop.

Speaker 20 (01:08:24):
Ours are still going, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Yeah, yeah, I have my partners. My plants are dead, dead,
as as beautifully brown as you know the hills and
Hawks Bay, but they are the tomatoes just hanging there.
So I'm just taking the rip of the last off
the plants.

Speaker 20 (01:08:41):
And that's yeah, it's great. And so we're making a
source called a posata today. And I guess the main
difference between You might ask what's difference between tomato sauce
or like a pasta sauce and a pisata. The main
difference is that aasata the skin and the seeds have
been removed, so it's it's a softer sauce. It's a

(01:09:08):
smoother sauce. It's something that is easily cheap. It's a
little bit more of a process because you remove the
skins and you move the seeds. It needs to go
through a further process then just making a tomato sauce
given it a blend. So it's worth the journey for
the end result, I think. But if you're serving it

(01:09:28):
with something soft like a fetter chini or a penne
past or a tortellini, because you're not getting those really
annoying tomato seeds stuck in between your teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
All right, talk us through this journey.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
So we're using all the last about tomato.

Speaker 20 (01:09:41):
So what we do to make this To add flavor,
what you do is you take your tomatoes, you cut
them in half, pop them into a roasting train, and
then over the top we add in flavor. So we're
using rosemary for this. So you take two or three
bunches of rosemary. You take garlic. Crush the garlic because
you're going to remove the garlic afterwards. So just break

(01:10:04):
your cloak, your bulbs down clothes, crush them with the
side of it, and I pop them over the top.
A little bit of salt, a little a flaky salt
if you want, if you want to chili this up,
if you want to spice things up, just take a chili.
Cut that in half, add that in and then a
little bit of all and over the top. Fire that
into an oven, a recentably hot oven. So we're talking
like two hundred and two twenty. Fire the tomatoes in

(01:10:25):
there and just leave them in there. It's going to
be about twenty to thirty minutes. And what you're looking
for is you're looking for those tomatoes to just start
to collapse and just get a little kind of tint
or a little hint of burnt crists on the ends
on the outside of the tomatoes. At that point, pull
them out and you have a choice. Now we need
to break these tomatoes down, So you could put them

(01:10:47):
into a bowl, use a stick blender, put them into
a pot, use a stick blend to blend them up.
You could use a potato masher. You could carefully kind
of whiz them in your food processor. And then once
they're smooth, we now need to remove the seeds. So
if you've got a like a movie at home, the
old school movie, you could put the sauce through that
and then the seeds will remain behind. Or a sip

(01:11:08):
you could pass the sauce through a sieve that will
kind of take out the seeds and also take out
the skin, and then the end result is this beautiful pisata.
You can then pretty much just seasoned up with a
little bit of salt, serve it straight away, or what
I do quite often is I reduce it down a
little bit, concentrate the flavor, concentrate that tomato, and then
I pop them into sterilize jars into the pantry. Bob's

(01:11:30):
your auntie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
This sounds like quite a nice process you could go
through with the kids, maybe a holiday little job there.

Speaker 20 (01:11:38):
And potentially could make a lot of mess, but.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
That it could, that it could, Mike, thank you so much.
You can get that recipe from good from Scratch dot
co dot in z, or you can head to news
Talk zb dot co dot in z forward slash Sunday.
We'll get it up for you there as well. Twelve
to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Wiggles for the best selection of great reeds.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Here's talks Heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Aaron O'Hara joins us now to talk well being good morning,
Good morning. I love this topic because I think that
at the end of the day, we all know how
we should be eating. You join us every Sunday to
have a chat to us just to remind us of
the basics as to how we can live a healthy life.
But it is so hard to eat well or maybe

(01:12:28):
to eat well all the time.

Speaker 21 (01:12:31):
I think, yeah, in this modern day world, we all
know about healthy eating, but it seems to be so
complicated and so hard to keep up with eating healthy.
And I think it's that diet culture that really makes
it challenging because we think that either we're all in
of like doing healthy eating, or we're all out and

(01:12:51):
we've blown it and we're kind of eating ice cream
and chocolate and whatever we want to do. And we think, oh,
we'll start tomorrow, we'll start next week, we'll start once
we've kind of got through the challenging Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Period or the holidays.

Speaker 21 (01:13:02):
And we make this so sort of we keep moving
the goal line of when we're going to start the
healthy eating. And that's what really concerns me is that
we don't need to be so extreme about healthy eating.
You don't have to be all in healthy eating or
all out and eat whatever you want. And it's kind
of like, how can we put those two together and
make it less like dieting and more like just that's

(01:13:24):
our lifestyle, healthy balance of like getting the good stuff
in but also still having the things that we love
to eat. Because the thing is, when we eat something
that's classified as unhealthy, it's not that we don't know
that it's not great for us. I don't think there's
anyone that has a bowl of ice cream and thinks, oh, this.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Is good for me.

Speaker 21 (01:13:43):
Instead they usually think, oh, this is a kind of
something that I eat sometimes more like a treat. And
I think that that's where we've just got to keep
that balance of know that you know, don't meet too extreme.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Balance is an interesting word, isn't it, Because we use
it a lot when we talk about our lives and
across various different aspects of our lives. But I actually
think it's really hard to achieve, and I think you
need to sometimes give yourself a break that you'll not
always going to have balance in.

Speaker 21 (01:14:08):
Your life and not trying to be diet perfect. The
interesting thing though about the research on this is that
quite often when people view healthy eating, they actually view
it as being too restrictive, so too low fat, low calorie,
low sugar, and they don't actually have that actually healthy balance.
And that's why when they do do the healthy eating,

(01:14:30):
they tend to get more cravings and want to eat
more because they're actually underfueling their body. And that's what
makes it actually extra challenging to be in this all
or nothing because when they're in the healthy eating, it's
actually too restrictive, which makes it too challenging to sustain.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
We shouldn't really be restricting anything, should we. I mean,
I mean, there's some things that you should have very occasionally,
and then there's you know, food that you should be
eating day to day. But we shouldn't be restricting calories.
We shouldn't be You shouldn't need You don't need to
starve to eat well.

Speaker 21 (01:15:06):
You don't need to staff to eat well. And I
think that's where like a good place to start if
you're kind of no you do this flip flop. All
or nothing is review your diet for a week, don't
change anything, write down everything you eat and drink and
drink is really important because quite often people get all
the extra sugar from their drinks and then review it
and be like, Okay, what couple of things can I change?

(01:15:29):
And that's your stepping stone to kind of creating healthy,
balanced lifestyle, healthy eating that's not too restrictive. And then
also just bringing in some new meals and if you
do a meal plan for the next week, you can
be like, Okay, I'm going to pick up some new recipes,
give them a go, put them into the food plan,
do the food shopping on a Sunday, and you set
up for success for the next week.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
He head, thank you so much. Erin really good to
talk to you. We'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Someone just text to ask me if daylight saving stats today.
You're about the third person to ask me that this weekend.
It's actually a very good question because it is around
the time next weekend, the sixth, sixth of April. There
we go, just doing a bit of public service. There
another text here go reads this is about the supermarkets,

(01:16:25):
just giving you an update on that. There was a
ZB interview a few weeks ago with the former chair
of the Supermarket Council. I think he suggested the only
way to get a change was to break up the
supermarkets like what had been done to telecom. He suggested
that was the only way to get true competition in
the market now, not wait for a new entry, which
wouldn't happen as the market is too small, but was
skeptical if any government would do something so bold. Look,

(01:16:47):
we've had people on our show this morning saying the
exact same thing, that they did not anticipate the government
taking such a bold step. So really interesting from Nikola
Willis this morning. We'll talk about that next hour in
the panel, but just after news, Rebecca Gidney is going
to join me. She is a very busy woman. I
don't know about you, but I love a lot of
her shows Under the Vines A remarkable place to die,

(01:17:10):
prosper They're just a few of the shows that she's
been in which have screened on our TVs in the
last year. So we're going to talk about what drives her,
why she's so busy, and should we all take a
leaf out of her book and step out of our
comfort zone. So Rebecca Gibney is with me next here
on the Sunday session, we're going to finish with some
new music from Month and and Suns. They released their

(01:17:32):
first LP in seven years on Friday. It's called Rushmere.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Welcome to the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of great reads used.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Coming up this hour. On the Sunday Session, Jason Pine
on all the weekend sporting Activity, Megan is all about
Mexico and travel, and Joan Mackenzie gives us her thoughts
on the book Everyone Is Talking About Careless People by
Sarah Wynn.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Williams the Sunday Session.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Well, I think we all agree the world needs any
jury we can grab at the moment, and Rebecca Gibney's
new show brings it in spades. Rebecca is well known
for her roles on The Flying Doctors, Packed to the
Rafters and as Doctor Jane Halifax, but she's really branching
out on this next one. She's singing, she's dancing. It
really is delightful. The show is called Happiness. It's a

(01:18:50):
locally made show coming to three this week and centers
around a community theater group.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
What both rejected my visa?

Speaker 6 (01:18:59):
You have to prove that you hold a critical role
in an organization that has a distinguished reputation in your field.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
How the hell am I meant to do?

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
That's gonna help with the show Rebecca, give me it's
in the studio with me. Good morning. It is so
lovely to have you with us.

Speaker 22 (01:19:15):
Good morning, It's lovely to be here now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Happiness. First thing I want to say about Happiness is
it has probably one of the best opening scenes, oh
anything I've seen.

Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
And a half.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
And I'm not going to tell you one about it.
They're just going to have to watch. But I just went,
I love that, and I want to do that by
my son. That's all I want to do. Anyway, We'll
leave that for the audience to discover. I heard that
you campaigned hard to be in this show, that you
messaged the creators and auditions.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
I did.

Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
I did. Actually, I was we were filming under the
Vines in Queenstown and everyone was auditioning for this show
and I'm like, what is everyone?

Speaker 22 (01:19:53):
What is the show?

Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
And there was just this buzz and it was a
show called Happiness, And I went, I have to be
a part of that, anything that's called happiness, particularly the
way the world is at the moment, And I said,
you know, can I can. I have talked to them
and they went, oh, well, you know, can she And
I'm like, wait a second. And I had to go
back through all my stuff when I found this little
tape that I did of a song called Fever that

(01:20:16):
I sang years ago, and I went, Okay, I want
if I can recreate that. So literally, in the living
room of the place that I was renting in Clyde,
I put on a boombox instrumental to Fever and I
sang along to it into my phone and I sent
them that and said, see, I can hold a chune.
I'm not the world's best singer. And then they came
back and went, right, can she dance?

Speaker 22 (01:20:37):
I'm not sending you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
A dancing but I did.

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
I think the character was so specific and not that
they asked for an audition, but I didn't hear for
a few days, and I went, you know what, I'm
just gonna I'm just going to do the audition and
send it in. And so I did and sent in
and I dressed up for it and everything, and I
just went umborn to play this character. There is no
one that can play this character the way I can.
Because I've actually been working on a character similar to
Gay Summers for a very long time and I hadn't

(01:21:05):
been able to get her on anything.

Speaker 22 (01:21:07):
So when I read her, I.

Speaker 6 (01:21:09):
Went, Okay, I'm bringing my own character to this and
that's Gay Summers.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
When was the last time you auditioned for something to do?

Speaker 6 (01:21:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it depends on what it is.
I'm lucky that I do get off of things. But no,
if if there's a film or something that's that people
may not see me in that role, I'm quite happy
to put down a self tape for her.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
So you're part of a musical group, a cabaret group,
musical group we should call it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:38):
Is the President, Yes, Pezzz amateur theater company in Toddong.

Speaker 22 (01:21:44):
She and she talks like that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
She talks very softly.

Speaker 6 (01:21:47):
Yes, but it's part of an ensemble and I love
that as well. So they keep giving Gay a role
on the show because she's the President. Because she's definitely
not the best singer, and she's not the best dancer,
and she's possibly not the best actor either, but jees,
you'll give it one hundred and fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
So as you just said, look, you hadn't done a
lot of singing publicly that when you about or dancing.
So was the other reason you're attracted to this role
was because it was going to push you out of
your comfort zone.

Speaker 6 (01:22:12):
Oh totally, absolutely pushed me out of my comfort zone.
And also just to be a part of an ensemble.
I hadn't actually been part of an ensemble for a
long time. I'm often and when I'm in a show,
I'm maybe the lead or I've always got lots to
say and lots to do. And I went, how great
to be part of a group that has to learn
singing and has to learn dance numbers and we all
get to do it together. And it just felt like

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an amateur theater production. And that's how we felt when
we were filming it. It really felt like we became
this little family.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
It is very funny, happiness. It's just filled with joy.
It looks like it must have been such fun to film.

Speaker 22 (01:22:46):
It was a joy every day.

Speaker 6 (01:22:48):
Like Harry who plays my son Charlie in the show,
he and I had actually met through other means. He
co wrote some of Under the Vines. He's a writer
as well as an actor. But from the minute we
all got together on set, from day one, it was
like this little family and we laughed NonStop.

Speaker 8 (01:23:05):
It was just joyous.

Speaker 6 (01:23:08):
I don't think New Zealand has ever produced anything like
this show ever.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
We need a bit of joid right now. Totally.

Speaker 22 (01:23:13):
Oh my goodness. Yeah, it's like being wrapped up in
a warm hug.

Speaker 6 (01:23:16):
You finished the first episode and you think, I have
to watch the second one and the third one because it.

Speaker 22 (01:23:20):
Just brings you joy.

Speaker 6 (01:23:21):
We had a screening the other night for the cast
and crew, and most of them hadn't seen it. And
to just be in a room with everyone watching it
and hearing the joy and the laughter and people just
being so excited, it was wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Now that's famously written. There are some laugh out loud
witty lines in this How important are community theaters so important?

Speaker 6 (01:23:41):
And that's kind of the theme of the show as
well as the series where's on. We get to an
end where actually the two main characters, Gay and her son,
have a fight and she has this piece of dialogue
where she says, people do this because it makes them happy.
We've all got other lives, we've all got jobs. They
come here because it brings them something else that brings
them joy. And that's what this show is all about.

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It's about stepping away from your real life for a
minute and sitting down and experiencing joy For twenty minutes
half an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
That's what the show is clearly kind of stepping out
of your comfort zone and is something that you're very
interested in or pursuing it a little bit at the
moment because I know that later this year you're also
returning to the theater for the first time since two
thousand and six, almost twenty years. What's What's I don't

(01:24:32):
light It was a long time ago, but it was
a long time ago. It has brought this.

Speaker 22 (01:24:35):
About turning sixty.

Speaker 6 (01:24:37):
I turned sixty in December of last year, and I
actually went, I just want to do things. I don't
want to slide into my final act without challenging myself.
I don't want it to just become Okay, well I'm
getting older now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
I'm just final act at point now.

Speaker 6 (01:24:50):
But they say from sixty onwards, you know you're lucky
if you have twenty five, thirty to forty years left,
and I just want to make the most of them.
And I think learning something new, learning a new skill,
doing things that will challenge you is going to keep
your brain going and it'll keep your body going. Another
reason why I said yes to Dancing with the Stars
when I've said no to that a thousand times I
said yes to that. I just finished that hat. Halfway

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through that, I think, why did I say yes to this?
The fifteen year old in me wanted to do it.
The sixty year old body got three weeks into it,
and when you are insane, that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Was the stupid thing to do. But I loved it.
I loved it, and you can't tell us anything about it?
Can you any about it?

Speaker 6 (01:25:28):
It made me I did actually think, like I said,
my sixty year old body after week two went wow,
there were muscles that I didn't know I had muscles
that just hurt.

Speaker 22 (01:25:37):
Everything hurt, everything hurt for like eight weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Everybody, everyone who goes on it, it says, you have no
idea what it's like. You have no idea how hard
it is, no idea.

Speaker 22 (01:25:48):
No four or five hours of training a day.

Speaker 6 (01:25:51):
The judging is well, when you get up and all
of a sudden you're being judged for something that you're
not necessarily good at. And also at my age, i'd
gotten to that thing, well, well, if I can't do something, well,
I don't want to do it and I don't have to.
But I forgot for some reason, I thought, oh I'm
going to be able to master this. And week three
weeks before I'm like, I'm not no, I don't want
to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
But it was too late.

Speaker 22 (01:26:09):
I'd already committed.

Speaker 6 (01:26:10):
So so the sixteen yard my mind had self doubt,
the imposter syndrome. All those feelings came flooding back. I
was in floods of tears A lot of the time.

Speaker 22 (01:26:18):
I was hurting.

Speaker 6 (01:26:20):
The great thing was, so were all the other contestants.
They were like newsreaders.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
You know.

Speaker 22 (01:26:24):
Michael Lasher, who's the newsreader, is in his forties or
early fifties.

Speaker 6 (01:26:28):
He said he his hands hadn't shaken for twenty seven years.
He used to have to hold a pen when he
read the news because his hands were shaking, he said,
in twenty seven years. That didn't happen until he got
on the stage for the first time I did the dance.
All of a sudden, his hands started to shake, and
he said in all the fears came flooding back from
when he was an intern, and everyone felt like that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Did you get a little bit competitive?

Speaker 16 (01:26:48):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Did decide while I am here now, I might as
well try.

Speaker 6 (01:26:52):
And when that did get competitive, except when I walked
out in front of a studio audience. I actually froze
my poor dance partner, I deer in headlights and went,
I can't do this.

Speaker 22 (01:27:04):
I actually when I can't do this.

Speaker 6 (01:27:06):
It's still a blur to me my first dance because
I don't know how I got through it, but he
just grabbed my hand.

Speaker 22 (01:27:11):
And when you're doing.

Speaker 6 (01:27:12):
It, and of course you never do it as well
as you've done it in rehearsals, and so then you
beat yourself up thinking, oh, I couldn't go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Can I just do it exactly? Just exactly?

Speaker 22 (01:27:20):
And that's the thing has an actor. When you're making television.

Speaker 6 (01:27:23):
You can see how I'm gonna do another take, another
third tap that you don't get another go at this.
It was like when I did Master Chef. You didn't
get another go. If you burnt the steak, you burnt
the steak. Honestly, last year I watched you and under
the Vines prosper a remarkable place to die. And now
we have happiness, and I'm wondering, do you ever stop? No,

(01:27:46):
I've now got a crime drama and development in Australia,
fantastic about an investigative journalist. So no, my brain never stops.
I don't sleep, so I'm always awake at like two
in the morning thinking about well, recently it was Dance Steps,
and now I'm thinking about the thing that I'm writing
and that I'm working on. And yeah, no, I'm constantly
I've got a film that I'm writing about, weirdly enough,

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a dance group for older women. So yeah, no, I'm
I don't want to stop, because I do think we've
got one life. I don't know how long I've gone.
I just want to make the most of every day.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
You were inducted into the Logi Hall of Fame last year.
What's an acknowledgment like that mean to you?

Speaker 6 (01:28:25):
Well, again, you know, the first thing that you think
of when that happens is imposter syndrome. You go, there
must be way more people that are way more you know,
deserving of it than me. So overwhelming, very humbling, And
then on the night to have it actually presented by
my son was extraordinary, Like that's probably the highlight for me. Yes,
getting the award was phenomenal and having all these incredible

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people saying amazing things, watching my body of work and thinking, yes,
I've been doing this a very long time. But then
when my son came out and said you're a good
person and you're kind and all those things that went
meant way more to me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Oh, that would have been very hard to get up
there and actually do the speech after hear it what
I imagined, because you are only the fourth woman I
know in forty years. What are they doing over there?

Speaker 6 (01:29:10):
I know, well, you know, it's hard again because you know,
part of me goes, oh my god, that's insane. But
then I also went, well, it's just you know, thank you,
and let's hope that there's many more to come, because
again I thought I could rattle.

Speaker 22 (01:29:22):
Off names and names and names of females that deserve it.
But hopefully that's just a start. Next year's going to
be another woman.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
You've mentioned sort of imposter syndrome and things a few
times in this interview, and I'm intrigued it. As you said,
you've just turned sixty, that you still have this. What
do we need to do, apart from inducting you into
that you want to faith, to convince you that it's
been an incredible career and you deserve to be where
you're at and you belong.

Speaker 22 (01:29:49):
I do believe that I don't it's weird. The dancing
thing brought up some.

Speaker 6 (01:29:53):
Issues about actually tapping into the younger me, because that's
the other thing that I keep wanting to go back
to the fifteen year old me that I was, so
I judged so harshly in the twenty three year old
that had panic attacks and thirty two year older had
a nervous breakdown and full of self loathing, and I
do often when I'm fully aware of it, I can

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go back and remind myself that I've come a long way.
But what Dancing with the Stars did teach me? Or
is it still there? The young girl still gets hurt
and there is all those feelings, and so I think
it's just what You've just got to talk about it.
You can try and cover it up. I don't want
to pretend that everything's amazing all the time. I'm certainly
a lot happy than I was ten years ago, way

(01:30:34):
more comfortable with where I'm at. I am very contented
in my life, but it doesn't mean that things don't
come up every so often.

Speaker 22 (01:30:40):
And when they come up, I want to face them.

Speaker 6 (01:30:42):
I'm not going to bury them back down, because that's
how you get sick if you pretend that something doesn't
exist and just push it down you'll get sick.

Speaker 22 (01:30:49):
So if something comes.

Speaker 6 (01:30:50):
Up that creates a feeling in me, I'll either talk
to a therapist or I'll talk to my husband, or
I'll talk about it, get it out and try and
figure out how am I going to deal with this now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
It is a tough industry you're in. It's a cruel
industry at times. You have to be able to deal
with a lot of rejection, you know, criticism, judgment, all
sorts of things when you just go about your day
to day job. You do have to have quite a
thick skin.

Speaker 22 (01:31:15):
I don't have a thick skin at all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Weirdly enough, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:31:19):
The good thing is that I because I think I
was so tough on myself in my twenties and even
my thirties, you get into your forties and it stopped.
You stop caring as much. And what I've tried to
say to my son Zach, because he's obviously just starting
out as an actor. When you don't get a job,
it's not a rejection of you. It is because someone
else they saw something in a certain person that they needed.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Completely different vision of them.

Speaker 22 (01:31:44):
They want the right height, whatever, had blue eyes exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
So Zach.

Speaker 6 (01:31:50):
I think he's got a very healthy self esteem because
of that. And he's a very secure young man, like
he knows what he wants and how to get it,
and he also knows that he's got parents that will
support him no matter what.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
So so does he listen to his mother when you
give him advice on the industry and acting?

Speaker 14 (01:32:07):
I do.

Speaker 6 (01:32:07):
Actually, Sometimes I'll say something and I can just it
goes in one air and out the other thing or
that didn't that didn't land at all. But then three
days later he'll be talking to someone else and he
might repeat it, and I'll got oh, he was listening.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
He probably won't attribute it to you, will I will
have He will have heard it somewhere. Sometimes yeah, he
attributes it to me. Oh well, look, it's so exciting.
It's really exciting to see what is next for you.
And I can't wait for more episodes of happiness and
really looking forward to watching Zach and his career blossom
as well.

Speaker 6 (01:32:37):
Oh no, I think I have no doubt that he's
going to do well. He's got so many auditions coming up.
That's a great thing. We can help each other. He
helps me with mine and I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Help him with his.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
And yeah, thank you so much for coming in, Thanks
for giving me. It's been a delight.

Speaker 22 (01:32:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
And if you want to catch Rebecca's new show Happiness,
it's coming to three and three now this Thursday, April third.
And if you were wondering how she went and dancing
with the Stars, we can't tell you because it doesn't
air until about June or July, even though it's been filmed.
Panel is up next to twenty two past eleven Leep.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
It's simple. It's Sunday Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Session with Francesca Rutgerter and Wiggles for the best selection
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Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
All the highs and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
Lows talking the big issues of the week the panel
on the Sunday Session.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
In joining me today on the panel, we have hosts
of the Front Page Chelsea Daniels, Good morning, Chelsea, good morning,
and director at eight one eight Chris Henry. How are
you doing, Chris well?

Speaker 10 (01:33:30):
Thank you, good morning well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Finance Minister Nichola Willis has definitely surprised me this morning
with her announcements. On her announcement on the supermarkets, she
said that she is considering a possible structural separation of
the sector's existing entities. And Chelsea, first, you know, I
didn't think she would be bold enough to go that far.

Speaker 16 (01:33:50):
Oh, Francisca.

Speaker 23 (01:33:51):
I think something had to happen anyway. I mean, you
need to go over to the ditch to Australia to
see how much choice there is and how much that
affects the price of your groceries. I mean, every time
I go home, I the first place I I was Audi.

Speaker 22 (01:34:07):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
And you can do a.

Speaker 23 (01:34:10):
Whole platter like a girl dinner platter for like under
fifty bucks. Now the same thing here is that you're
looking up upwards of one hundred bucks. And it's just
good that she had to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Quite like to come and have one of your platters. Chelsea,
they sound good.

Speaker 23 (01:34:25):
Ah yeah, I'm a platter girly.

Speaker 22 (01:34:27):
I hate cooking.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
I tell you what, I agree with you, Chelsea. Something
had to happen. But Chris, all we'd sort of heard
previously from the government was how they were going to
try and encourage a third party to get set up
in New Zealand. So I was presuming, like a lot
of other people, we were going to hear about maybe
some tax measures or some property measures, or some change
in legislation to make it easier for that to happen.
I didn't think that they would address sort of the

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current sector.

Speaker 24 (01:34:53):
Yeah, well, I mean it's definitely a bold move. But
like Chelsea, I'm thrilled with the excitement. Whenever I go
on holiday, I like to treat a new international supermarket
as one of the key destinations to visit early in
the trap and I love seeing all the different variety
that things have got going on. I'd love to have
an Aldi. I loved Eva Harris Farm. I'm a big
cost go guy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
I'm into it, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
I had a text Chelsea from Jen who said, look,
if you break up the existing very efficient supply chain,
you're going to add to food stuff stores and you
set up other stores with separate supply chains and administration things.
That's going to add cost and that's going to mean
the cost you know, prices are going to rise.

Speaker 23 (01:35:36):
Well I think that. I mean, there's a duopoly in
New Zealand at the moment, and that means and that
has done nothing to prices in New Zealand. You look
at a che killer of cheese here and it's upwards
of ten to fifteen dollars. I mean, that's insane when
we've got so many cows here. So where we have
to look at our supply chains, maybe by you know,

(01:35:58):
groceries locally, see where all of our stuff is going.
Because I've never seen a bluff oyster in my life,
have you?

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Yes, I have, and I'm pretty sure Chris has two.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Oh, I've definitely seen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Look Chris. What I'm interested in as well is that
the government has see that they're going to receive these
responses to what the ideal market structure is going to
be like. They're only giving it a six week period
to do that, and then Willis says that she's going
to be ready to propose significant changes to fix the sect.
I've got a little bit of a theory in talking
about bluff. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a
bluff going on here. Do you think she's saying we

(01:36:36):
are going to make changes. It is going to be
the supermarkets, and we're going to do it really fast.
So you come up with a solution and come to
me first. I wonder if that's what's going on here.

Speaker 24 (01:36:46):
I mean that sounds like good business to me. It's
obvious that she's had plenty of time to be thinking
about it. She's obviously got an idea of what she
really wants, and I think she's probably just going through
the process.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
I mean, you'll see the supermarkets are going to fight this,
aren't they.

Speaker 10 (01:37:00):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:37:00):
Absolutely, they fight everything at every turn whenever there's I mean,
you looked at the foods US North Island as a
South Island merger that went on for ages. So and
I've certainly got the money to do it. They've got
our money to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
But I would still prefer that they were taking this approach,
which is a more short term approach to getting competition
going as opposed to waiting for a third player to
come in, which could take twenty years to have an impact. Chelsea.

Speaker 23 (01:37:26):
Look, I'm emailing audi at once every three months, so
if everybody, if everybody joins me in doing that, then
perhaps we'll get if we drum up from demand.

Speaker 24 (01:37:36):
And would they get an invite to enjoy the platter
as well if they can support the cause.

Speaker 23 (01:37:40):
Oh absolutely, we'll have a plant of party, Chris coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Another story that caught our attention today was about the
New Zealand designer Sierrah Lilly who discovered that not only
had the website Shine was selling sort of knockoffs of
her designs, but they actually also stolen her marketing photos
that they hadn't even tried to hide it. Do you
use shy or Teama or any of these sites, Chris.

Speaker 24 (01:38:09):
I've definitely done a few team orders in the past,
and it does fe little bit dirty at times when
you do it, but sometimes but easy things that it
does make sense. I think the most fascinating thing I
found out of the story. But first of all, it's
terrible for Sarah and her business and awful that can happen.
But if you look a little bit deeper into the story,
the amount of infrastructure that she has in terms of

(01:38:31):
being able to report these issues seems like it might
not be the first time that this issue has happened.
They seem to have a whole area where you can
report copyright and IP infringement, so it definitely indicates that
this is not their first trip to the rodeo.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
No, I don't think it is, Chelsea. If you fancy
you know, if you fancy something expensive, how often do
you search for a cheaper version rather than buying the original.

Speaker 23 (01:38:55):
I feel like you already know the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
To the thoughts I don't.

Speaker 23 (01:38:59):
I would definitely go for the expensive version or op shopping.
I mean, there's no reason to go onto Shan and Timu.
And I know research from last year. Actually, I did
a story about this one. In four New Zealanders surveys,
per surveyed purchase products from Timu, and fourteen percent were
estimated to have recently purchased from Shann. But when you

(01:39:20):
buy a T shirt for three dollars, someone else somewhere
out in the world is paying that price, and it's
child labor, it's things like awful working conditions and not
to mention if you buy things on trend. Greenpeace estimates
that every year one hundred and eighty thousand tons of

(01:39:42):
clothing and textile waste is thrown away.

Speaker 16 (01:39:44):
In New Zealand.

Speaker 23 (01:39:45):
That's sixty five hundred shipping containers every year.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
It's yeah, it is one of our biggest issues when
it comes to landfills and recycling thing. We've been very
very slow in New Zealand to sort out of recycling.
But there's a whole other different story and people aren't
working on that. Chris do you think it's I mean, obviously,
for even if you're a small business, you have to
take on a giant like this, you have to stand
up for yourself. But I'm sure it's a huge effort.

Speaker 24 (01:40:09):
Oh absolutely, And I mentioned going through a legalities process
would be incredibly expensive, not to mention the time that
it takes away from you for doing your core day
job and going out there. The only thing that I
can hope is that the publicity that's come around it
can deliver some business towards Sarah in terms of them
seeing her styles and her designs and thinking, actually, I'd
like to support this woman versus going internationally. So if

(01:40:32):
there's a silver lining of it, I hope it's that, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Yesterday we released Lloyd's and I released a new episode
of The Little Things and we talked to doctor Priya Alexander,
who was an Australian GP who talks a lot about
myths in medicine, especially around women's health, which we covered
in the podcast, but we also talked one of her
pet peas is social media and influencers sharing health information.

(01:40:55):
Would you, Chris, ever, take health advice from an influencer
or off social media?

Speaker 24 (01:41:01):
Well, It's a bit of a hard one because the
gap answer is no. But when you talk about the
people that are sharing information online, they're not your traditional
influences that do it as a job. You know, everyone
can share information online, your crazy auntie, your friend down
the road, all of that sort of stuff. So I
think there's a lot of information out there, and when

(01:41:22):
you've got a particular issue or something that you're trying
to deal with, I think that crowdsourcing of information is
kind of a key pard in it. But it is
very important to be relying on the professionals for the
final decision.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Yeah. Should we have regulation around what they're able to say,
Chelsea just like a doctor?

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:41:38):
Absolutely, And especially when it comes to you can only
see every time I do an episode on COVID how
many emails I get in the morning from people saying that,
you know, the vaccine kills people, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
I mean, it's just it's.

Speaker 23 (01:41:50):
Social At what point do we put in regulations and
at what point do we blame social media for its
algorithms for allowing people to go down these rabbit holes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Yeah, it's a very good point, Chris Henry, Chelsea Daniels,
thank you very much for your time this morning, and
looking forward to being invited to share a pleasure at
some point Chelsea it comes, I'll invite you. We're going
to be waiting twenty years here, Chris, thank you both
very much. Up next to Jason.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
Pine, it's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News
Talks at b.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
And coming up at midday we have got Jason Pine
with weekend Sport. How are you Jason very good?

Speaker 25 (01:42:35):
Thank you, Francesca very good.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Can I just start by saying, look, I kind of
got caught up in the rugby when it began. Then
I sat lost interest again because I went on summertime
lovely evenings, and then last night I was watching the
Crusaders and Winer Pacifica and I got drawed. Honestly, I
just got drawed straight back into rugby.

Speaker 25 (01:42:53):
Well, Maana, Pacifica will do that to you. They are
the great entertainers of super rugby and have been for
probably most of their life. But what they've clearly discovered
now and it's only one game, so let's see how
they go from here. That's their second one of the seasons.
Of course, they beat my Hurricanes as well, but what
they've discovered is an ability to blend that wonderful PACIFICA

(01:43:16):
brand of rugby with a steely determination, a hard work ethic,
and some structure that should allow them to win a
lot more games of rugby. They've always been able to
score tries, that's never been an issue. In fact, they're
the top point scorers. I think only the Crusaders actually
have scored more tries than them the Super Rugby season.
But it's keeping them out at the other end. It's

(01:43:36):
been the issue, and they found a way and even
when the Crusaders got back to within nine points of
it stressed.

Speaker 15 (01:43:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:43:42):
I mean, I think I think most people thought, okay,
here come the Crusaders, They're going to roll over the
top of them and they'll win this one. Well, the
fact that one of Pacifica held them off and then
got a couple more tries of their own to put
the result beyond doubt. I think this is a breakthrough moment,
a watershed from onea Pacifica. I think this is something
that they'll look back on, you know, in years to
come as a real turning point for that franchise.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
No, I agree, well, said Piney. That's why you do
a sports show.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Well, I'll give it a crack.

Speaker 17 (01:44:10):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
The final result was forty five twenty nine. In case
you were wondering in the black Caps played a game
of cricket yesterday too.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Yeah, they did, see.

Speaker 25 (01:44:18):
I'm finding it a little bit hard to know to
really grasp onto this Francisca even though it is summer.
All the last sort of scarecs of it, you know,
and we should be watching cricket. Look, I mean, I
was delighted for Mark Chapman. He's sort of been in
and out of this team for a while and always
seems to be the guy who drops out when big
players like Came Williamson come back. But to see him
smash it all around McClain Park yesterday was terrific. The

(01:44:42):
two more games in this one day series, you know,
I think we're building some pretty good white ball depth.
Muhammed a bass was a bas was the other one
I was really interested to watch. He's he's a young
all rounder from Wellington. Scored the fastest ever fifty by
a New Zealander on deboo, so he wasn't mucking about
yesterday in Napier either, which was good to.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
See and I also see Piney. Is that Auckland IF
scene looked to have secured key players for next season,
which is fantastic news.

Speaker 26 (01:45:10):
Isn't it.

Speaker 25 (01:45:11):
Yeah, it doesn't seem as though there would be too
many wanting to leave Auckland FC. They signed most of
these players on one year deals at the start of
the season. That's often what happens in the A league.
You know, you don't get sort of five or six
year deals handed out. But for those who weren't contracted
beyond the end of this season, it sounds as though
they've sewned most of them up. So yeah, they can
get on with the business of finishing as high as

(01:45:33):
they can this season, maybe even winning the whole thing
in their first season of existence, and then look forward
to next year when most of the same faces will
be back for another.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Crack at it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Who are you chatting Tuesday?

Speaker 25 (01:45:44):
I want to talk Liam Lawson after one after midday
we I mean, we'll talk about it after twelve. I
think this is just, you know, the story that's grabbed
us all over the last seventy two hours. I want
to talk first of all to Toyota Racing Series founder
Barry Tomlinson about this, But then I want to take
a lot of calls and read the pulse of the
audience on this. I think he's been absolutely shafted. But

(01:46:07):
others will say he wasn't doing the business, so it
was right to get rid of him. The truth might
lie somewhere in between. Anyway, Yeah, we'll talk. We'll talk,
Liam Lawson.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
And also, are you ever going to.

Speaker 25 (01:46:17):
Get a new stadium up there in Auckland? Are you
ever gonna put some spades in the ground and build
something new up there or what?

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
As someone text me today and said, your dreaming, So
there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
I will leave you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
I've said my piece on those stadium today. Piney, I
shall leave you with that. At midday, Jason Pine, We'll
be back with you with Weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Now and joining us from Mexico. Megan Singleton, good morning, Hola.

Speaker 26 (01:46:53):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
I very much appreciate your time this morning. I understand
you were boarding a plane, but let's talk about can kne.

Speaker 26 (01:47:04):
And tune was amazing, So we started our two week
tour in Cancune with four nights there, and I think
the main reason you go to Knkirn mainly the Americans
go to find flop at the all inclusive resorts, to
visit chit Chanetsa, which is the big ancient Man pyramid
about two and a half hour drive away. And we
also went to this incredible water park called Shallha and

(01:47:27):
I've actually just put a blog up this spawning so
that you can look at the pictures. I haven't quite
finished all the text yet, but I just have to
get rescued. But that's another better And Kankerune was waterfall,
but you can see why it's popular. All inclusive is
so good for group travels, families, friends, like I'm here
leading a group of fifteen. It's so easy when you

(01:47:49):
can just go to twos which restaurant and go to
each night all alcohol's included, and all the results along
here are like that. So I mean, it's just been amazing.
And then we went to Mexico City, which is actually
the airport that I'm standing in right now, so I'll
tell you all about that next week. And then we're
to Lost Carbosh, excuse me. So it's been a fantastic,

(01:48:10):
fantastic drip so far.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Meg and I've taken a look at the photos and
there are these extraordinary water holes that you've been swimming in.

Speaker 26 (01:48:18):
What are they That's called a sinote and they are
basically sink holes. So the whole of the Yukotan Peninsula
here in Cancun is flat and it's limestone, and these
are just water holes down under the underground and you
can swim in them, and they have places of of

(01:48:38):
getting here, getting the fresh water. Some say there were
places also of human sacrifice, you know. Sorry, but the
brave ones among us they jumped in and had a
little swim, as you'll see from those photos. Very popular
thing to do for a little bit of a cool
off in this weather.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
And some ruins to visit as well.

Speaker 26 (01:48:57):
Yeah, the ruins are incredible. We didn't get to Tulum,
which is another place of great ruins, but we sort
of felt ruined out a little bit with Chichenitza. Hopefully
that will that will suffice everybody's are ruined penchant. Yeah,
and then no, we're just absolutely loving it and all
the Mexican food and all the lovely greetings and mutual

(01:49:17):
glass Yes, we're having just the best time, so glad.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
So it sounds like Cancn is the kind of place
where you can go. It's easy. You've got the great resorts,
but you can also get a bit of culture and
do the ruins and have these other experiences.

Speaker 26 (01:49:32):
Yeah, totally. And you know, there's a lot more to
it than what I've just seen. I've just written up
the post of what to do in sort of three
days is some shopping, and it's also all the beaches,
and you don't spend time in your own resort, so
I could think you could probably do four or five
days here and that's probably about enough for you, and
then on to the next amazing Mexican deestination.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
And you just need to explain why you had to
be rescued at a water park.

Speaker 26 (01:50:00):
Oh well, I got it my little flotation device. And
then the currents got up and the wind's got against me,
and I'm kicking away with my little shoes on, and
suddenly they watched was decided me to drag me? And
then which is so good as over it everyone else
managed they've got they gotten a different channel coming then.
But it really is as if it's a great should
start when we went just adults, fantastic adults like it's

(01:50:22):
all inclusive. You've got buffet, restaurants, includes your bears, to
keen sharks, anything you like.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
And that was Megan, who is literally getting on a
plane right now, so we thank you very much for
her time there. Listen to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
afternoons from tomorrow because they've got a week of giveaways.
There's a daily prize of five hundred dollars up for grabs.
But the biggie you could could see you and three
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(01:50:54):
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and make sure you were listening to Matt and Tyler
afternoons from Monday to be in to win. Thanks to
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Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
Books with Wiggles for the best Election of great Reads.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
And Joe McKenzie joins us. Now, good morning, good morning.
You've got a couple of fabulous books for us this
morning great Reads, both by New Zealand authors.

Speaker 8 (01:51:22):
I know, isn't that great?

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:51:24):
The first one is called See How They Fall by
Rachel Parris, who's an Auckland lawyer, I believe, who's also
managed to turn out this terrifically entertaining book set in Sydney,
and I'm told that she said the reason for setting
it there was because there aren't any really ghastly wealthy
families in New Zealand, and this lot really are. So
they're Australian.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
She does toxic rich people very well, she doesn't there.

Speaker 8 (01:51:47):
Yes, So the Turner family run a luxury goods empire
and they're absolutely rolling in it. And when the patriarch
suddenly dies, the heirs call a meeting, and it's not
just any meeting. They go off to a fabulous luxury
resort for this thing, and while they're there, something really
horrible happens and they suddenly find that this nicely cushioned
world that they live in is being invaded by the

(01:52:08):
police who are mounting an inquiry. And one of the
characters is Skuy, who married into all this money but
she simply can't believe what they're capable of.

Speaker 22 (01:52:17):
And as a.

Speaker 8 (01:52:17):
Result of that meeting, her sister in law is dead,
her daughter is critically ill in ICU and her husband
is trying to have her declared insane. You wouldn't want
to have anything to do with any of these people,
but as we all know, the one percenters are increasingly
in charge, and I reckon this is a good insight
into how some of them got there.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
I was sent this book at summer time and I
got a more sneak read of it, and I started
it and I literally didn't stop. Yah, you can't put
it down. You had to finish it. And then it
went around the whole family and everyone was exactly the same.
Tell Me a little Bit about Careless People by Sarah
Wynn Williams.

Speaker 8 (01:52:53):
So, as you said at the start, is also a local.
She's a trained lawyer who became a diplomat. She worked
at the UN. I think she was involved in environmental policy,
and she gave all that up when she realized that
after all of the policy meetings and the boring stuff
that they were spending their life doing at the UN,
the movie Finding Nemo had more impact on the environment

(01:53:13):
than anything that they were doing. And she was aware
of Facebook and really liked the possibilities of it, particularly
after the christ Church earthquake, when her family were affected
by it, and she could see that it became such
an incredible community tool for people to connect and offer
assistance and keep each other going in the wake of something.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Awful like that.

Speaker 8 (01:53:36):
So she went knocking on their door and said, please
give me a job, and they said no, no, no, no,
And eventually, after quite a long time, they did, and
she became their director of Global Policy and had quite
a reach around the world. She ended up being there
for seven years, but she had the scales taken from
her eyes reasonably quickly as she realized that this was

(01:53:56):
all about money for these people and their lifestyles and
their handle on power, and when it became clear that,
for instance, the advertisers on the platform able to target
very vulnerable young people, or that the platform could be
used in all sorts of pretty nefarious ways, she tried
to make change, which was resisted at every level, and

(01:54:17):
in the end she left. I loved this book. I
believed every word. I've always believed I don't use Facebook.
I've always believed that there's something fundamentally scary about it,
and she's really explained it for me.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
And she writes so well. She writes with humor, and
she tells a good yarn. That's what I m.

Speaker 8 (01:54:40):
And the great irony, of course, is that when the
book was suddenly published, because the announcement of the book
coming was only a few days prior to its actual
release Meta, which of course is Facebook's new parent name,
they took action to stop her promoting it or speaking
about it publicly in any way. And of course these
guys put themselves up as the guardians of free speech,

(01:55:03):
and it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Ended up at the top of the New York resides.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
So there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
That's what happens. Yes, No, we had her all booked
done to talk to her, and we're hoping that at
some point we will be able to catch up with
her and she will be able to speak about the book. Look,
these are two fabulous yarns. Of course, the Easter holidays
are coming. If you've got a chance to take a break,
two really good options for you. I regret today absolutely
See How They Fall by Rachel Paris and Careless People

(01:55:29):
by Sarah Williams. Talk next week, Joan.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Thank you so much for joining us this morning on
the Sunday Session Jason Pine is up next with an
action packed weekend sports show for you. Thank you to
Carrie and Libby for producing the show this week and
next week. I'm going to be joined by naked and
famous singer Alyssa Zilith. She's got a new solo album
out this week, so we can't wait to catch.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
Up with her.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
We're also going to talk to entrepreneurs Simon Squibb about
following your dreams. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday, look
forward to catching up next week. Take Care my Go.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
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