While true crime might not be the obvious pick for comedy-based content, a familiar duo have leaned into the genre.
In All Killa No Filla, comedians Rachel Fairburn and Kiri Pritchard-McLane explore their shared passion for serial killer cases.
Ahead of their planned stops in New Zealand for the Comedy Festival, the duo opened up about their comedic podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
True crime continues to be perhaps the most addictive podcast genre,
and two killer queens of the podcasting world are heading
our way very shortly for the New Zealand Comedy Fest
and All Killer No Filler. Comedians Rachel Fairburn and Kirry
Pritchard Maclain explore their shared passion for serial killer cases
and while on the face of it, serial killers might
(00:34):
not seem like the best subject to based a comedy
podcast on, All Killer No Filler is kind of like
a night out with your best friends, just with way
much more murder. Rachel Fairburn and Caerry Pritchard McLain join
me now. Good morning to the two of you.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Good morning, thanks for having us.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Good morning Rachel. Eleven years of All Killer, No Filler.
What initially brought you to together?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Well, interestingly enough, we didn't know each other before we
started the podcast, and we lived across the road from
each other in Manchester in England at the time, and
we're both comedians and people said that you have, oh,
you've got very similar interest.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
You should meet each other.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
And because they didn't really put two women on the
same comedy bill at the time.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So we met up and we.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Decided to do a podcast, and we chose serial Killers
because we were both interested in them, and then we
started it. We didn't expect anyone to listen, and then
eleven years later, here we still are.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Cary, did you bond over Texadermy am? I right?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, actually that's not far off. We both have, I
suppose in a quiet taste when it comes to interior design. Yes,
there's quite a few dead things in our houses. We're
painting quite the picture of us now of an Adams
family get up here. But yeah, it was one of
those things where Rachel's so right. We hadn't really met
each other on the comedy circuit because there was still
of the mind that was just one woman on a bill,
(01:53):
So there were loads of sort of crossover and what
we're like in terms of music, in terms of taxidermy,
but crucially what's really brought us together is the love
of all things macarb and true crime.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Because e live in years, there's a long time to
work with someone. Do you find itself Do you find
yourself talking to each other more than you probably do
your family or you know other friends.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, well, i'd say so. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I think it's strange because I think if this was
all we did, because we stand ups as well, and
we do other bits and bobs. I think that if
this was all we did, it would be quite intense,
wouldn't it. And I think that's when people sort of
fall out or it goes a bit stale, you know,
if that's the only project they're working on.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
But yeah, we talk all the time.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
We send you know, it's unusual for us not to
talk to each other for a few days. Yeah, you know,
we always find things that the other one would like
and we'll send each other a message saying have you
seen this? Or you know, we sort of Yeah, we
have very similar interests and we dislike the same people
as well, which often helped in a bonded scenario. I
(03:00):
love them.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Where you say bits and bobs, I mean you're both huge,
You're on TV shows, you're doing your having the world
with comedy shows and things like that by hugely successful
comedians in your own right. But I wonder what has
the podcast done for you on a personal level in
career wise.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Wow, that's really interesting question. Well, I think for myself
it's definitely. I noticed from the beginning of starting to
do my own shows that there would be a core
group of people there who I could kind of tell
what they were laughing at and how they'd interrupted when
they after the show that they listened to the podcast.
And this is when there was not many listeners. And
(03:37):
I'd say the percentage of every audiences that are sort
of we call them legends, our listeners that are legends
has stayed the same. The audiences have got bigger, which
means there's more legends there, but I think there's always
a core group of support. But also when people respond
so positively to you being funny in your own way,
it gives you a bit more confidence with your own comedy.
(03:57):
Would you say that right, Yeah, that's exactly what I
would say.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I think when we started this, I was still sort
of trying to find out what people found funny about
me and what my voice was as such in comedy,
and then I sort of realized, oh, people like it
when I'm annoyed or irritated, and I am quite frequently,
so that's been quite quite good from my writing. And
I've also found that also, I think the main thing
(04:21):
that the podcast why it's so popular is because it's
two women talking to each other how women talk to
each other. It's not been manufactured. It's not you know,
we don't we don't keep things nice. We talk about
all kinds of things. We might swear a bit, you know,
and it's not scripted. It's not scripted, so we just
talk about all kinds of things. The way that women
actually talk when women are together.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Interesting you say, not scripted, but well researched.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, that's something that's been very important to us because
I mean, there wasn't a lot of true crime. Well
there weren't many true crime podcasts out there when we started,
but true crime generally was something that we were interested in,
but we found it was very shoddy researched. There was
a lot of men's of information being repeated, and we
didn't want to be part of that because we're understand
it's quite a I don't know, I guess, a controversial genre.
(05:10):
You know, it can cause a lot of damage to
the victims, to the families from how it's handled, and
we didn't want to be part of that narrative. So
it was important for us to present something different. So
we come at things with empathy. You know, we're very
sympathetic towards victims, their families, the impact, and so it's
also important that you do things like get people's names right,
you know, get the dates right, things like that, and
(05:31):
do you do your sort of due diligence basically.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And you notice that, Richard, did they come naturally to you? Because,
as you say, you've got to keep that balance right,
You're dealing with some pretty horrible crimes at at point
at times, and the podcast is really funny. You've just
got to kind of maintain that balance. In the early days,
did you actually Sitney guidelines around where the jokes end
and the facts begin or was it quite natural between
(05:54):
the two of you.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I think it's quite natural, because well, obviously we engage.
We used to engage a lot trough Gram and I
think we would read things or maybe listen to things.
I'll watch things and think, well, the tone of this
isn't very approble, or you know that that doesn't tell
you enough about the victim, or this seems very sort
of celebrating the murderer, and well seems a bit brass really,
(06:16):
But it just came naturally. So all the humor always
comes from us talking about our lives, and we take
the research very seriously and we like to find out
as much as possible, and as you know, Kiri said,
we like to find out as much as possible about
the victims, to give them, you know, to paint a
picture of them, because they are a person as well.
We try to focus on that as well, not just.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
A serial killer. Well also, if you think about we
have a disclaimer at the beginning. Yeah, but that is Rachel.
Do you want to repeat some of it? Oh, yeah,
Well we say that it's not hero o worship.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
We do the podcast because we have a mutual interest
in serial killers, you know, and as we have a
little jokes say, as long as we're doing that, we're
not writing to them in prison, which of course is
just a little joke because we wouldn't do that. We
don't have the time anyway. It's just yeah, we're really
glad that we've got the balance right and in a
way that the podcast is very much like a diary
of our lives.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Over the past eleven years, isn't it as well?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
So you've got us sort of you know, living in Manchester,
they're moving caring, moving back to Wales, we moving to London,
You've got.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Relationships breaking up. Yeah, all kinds of things. So it's
like a little soap opera as well.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And I think that there there's why it works so well,
because you do feel like we all feel like we're
there with you. We're sort of you know, we all
know each other so well, when really we just know you.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Two very well.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
But there is really big community that surrounds this podcast.
Do you love doing the live shows and sort of
coming face to face with this community.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Absolutely. We really love our listeners because we have lots
of friends, you know, other comedians who do podcasts who
don't really like the people who listen to their output,
whereas we really really like them. We you know, often
we'll meet people after a show or meet them out
and about whatever, and you think, oh, this is just
someone I really get on with, because if they've listened
(07:58):
to over one hundred hours of you straight into their
brain by their ears, you know, chances now you are
on the same page. They're also very generous hearted bunch.
They do a lot of community things, a lot of fundrais,
and we often get messages from people who've reached out
who are part of the Facebook group who say, listen,
I've really found my community, or I was a new
mum and idea you felt really isolated in this group
(08:20):
of people have come in and sort of swept in
and really supported me, or I was going through a
tough time with this or that. So I feel really
proud actually that we are, in any small way able
to facilitate It's harder and harder for people to make
connections now, isn't it. And you know, have community and
if the legends have sort of contributed towards people having
(08:42):
more of a system around them than I think that's
something to feel really proud of.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Kerry.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
What do you think drives the subsision with true crime?
It's such a poplar genre, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, well, I think I mean it isn't a new
thing either. I mean Rachel always talks about it so
eloquently that you know, if you go back to Jack
the Ripper days, everyone was obsessed with Jack the Ripper.
That's what sold newspapers. People were pretending to be him.
And you know, you can kind of go as far
as you like and people are interested in that darker
side of I suppose humankind. I think the genre is
(09:13):
particularly big amongst women, and I think sometimes it's a
bit of a survival guide. You know that you can
feel a fear navigating this world and thinking, you know,
it's so the more information you have that the safer
you might be. I don't know what about you, what
do you think? I think it's just.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Quite natural to be interested in something that is so
far removed from what you would do.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So I'm suspicious when someone isn't interested in crime and
I was like, what are you hiding?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
But yeah, I just think it's it's you know, when
you're reading about something and it's such a horrific thing
that you're so far removed from something you do, and
you just kind of want to understand or you know,
it's just why somebody would do an awful crime.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think that's what it is as well.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The podcast is self produced. How much of an appeal
is it that you can do what you want? You
could produce and create this podcast however you wanted it
to be.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I think it's really important, and I think especially in
the UK, I think more people are making their own
things now. I think not having somebody to tell you
what you can and can't say what you you know.
So I think it's it's been so important to make
to get our authentic friendship across because if you if
(10:28):
it was produced or if you know, we had you know,
a production company or somebody telling us, somebody'd always be
chipping in with we'd rather you didn't say that?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Or can you not swear? Can you not do this?
Can it needs to be twenty eight minutes?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It needs So we've got total freedom.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
We can make, you know, an hour episode, or we
can make two parts. We can talk about what we want,
we can. You know, it's total freedom. And I think,
as I say, in the UK as well, particularly a
lot of there's a lot of catching up to do
as far as the sort of entertainment industry is concerned,
because people are.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Just making their own stuff and finding their own audience.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I mean, it's really growing from humble beginnings to now
you know, you're at this point where traveling the world
with what can an audience expect from the Live or
Kill and o'feller show.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
We did our first one the other day in Melbourne
over here, so it's a brand new show that we've
written for this tour, and we didn't know what the
audience was going to be like if anyone was even
going to turn up. Oh my gosh. They were absolutely brilliant.
And we always ask people at this off, you know,
give us a year if you listen to the show,
give us you if you've got no idea what this is.
And there's always people who've sort of taken a punt
(11:33):
and come along, and we always check in within at
the end of the show and we've managed to convert
them every single time. There was a woman she was
so keen, wasn't she And she was like, Okay, firstly,
where do I find the podcast? Secondly did they do
any kind of follow up with this case or if
she had loads of questions? So it's really nice because
I think because we're both professional stand ups and been
(11:53):
doing it a long time now, that you know, we
want to give people an authentic experience of what All
Killer is, but we are presenting a live comedy show
at the same time, I think you could come along.
We're also very careful about what we picked to do
in the room. You know, we try and pick something
that's got some distance, you know, that feels that we
can be a bit more playful around it. Whilst always
(12:14):
of course respecting the victims. So yeah, I think we've
picked well for this one. Definitely, it's an interesting one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, And of course you're bringing your solo shows as well.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Kyri.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Your show is called Peacock and it's based around your
experiences of being a foster appearance, and you actually hit
to keep permission to write and perform this show, correct.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I mean that's one of the reason it's called Peacock because
I had to put it on sale before knowing if
I would be able to do the show. I had
written a show in secret that I was desperate to perform,
but you know, part of the conditions of me being
a foster care is that I couldn't talk about it
on stage. So I had to just put this tour
on sale and think, you know what, they might turn
around and say no, and I'll just have to write
some stand up about Peacocks. And so yes, it's a
(12:56):
show I've really enjoyed doing. I've had a lovely time
here at Melbourne, and I really touched that people kind
of resonate with the show as well, because I think
there's lots of people in my position who really like children,
really like you know, family, but don't necessarily want their
own biological children or family. And I suppose I'm trying
to present a another side of things and say, maybe
(13:18):
being a foster careast the right things.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, and so what made you want to become a
faster pearent?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, I it is that thing of I really do
love young people, but I had never i'd really sort
of decided, you know what, I don't think having a
biological family is the right thing. I saw, in particular
the women in my lives, how much of a toll
it was taking on them, and I, you know, I
love my job, and I didn't know how I would
be able to juggle those things. And then I just
(13:43):
heard an advert on the radio at home, and we
did some courses, and the more information we got about fostering,
I thought it would put us off, but it did
the exact opposite and made us realize that this is
the right fix for us. And yeah, I know we've
been doing it, my partner and I for but four
and a half years now.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Amazing. Yeah, is it true that you had to use
a fake name with your foster tis?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yes, yes, I was going by middle name Louise, and
my partner's surname, so I have a completely different alias,
and in fact it's only because of the show I
now get to use my real name with the kids.
Because the social workers were like, actually, we thought we
were doing this, We thought we were giving you a
fake name to protect everybody, but actually it's making things
harder and you feel very compromised, kind of lying to
(14:26):
the kids about your name. So just be yourself. Because
they thought the kids would google me and find my
stand up, but you find that teenagers don't actually care
very much about you. So it's been fine.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So true, and Rachel, we've better give a shout out
to live a Doll.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yes, yes, it's just to be honest, it's just an
hour of me doing stand up, just complaining.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Can I say I saw it the other night. It's
absolutely fantastic, I think question, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, it's just an hour of me doing classic me material,
I would say, complaining about everything from air fryers to
other people's children. And yeah, it's just just enjoy doing
it and people have really related to it. So if
you like a bit complaining, come along to that.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Oh I love it, don't we all? So that's really
interesting though. Cary you hadn't heard the show. So do
you do your solo work. You keep quite solo, do
you You don't share too much?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, what it is is more we were both on
tour for this whole of last year, and we live
in different places anyway, so yeah, we'll sort of vaguely
be aware what the other one is doing and what
they're talking about. And actually I was surprised there with
some stuff in your show. I was like, I talk
about something a bit similar there. But yeah, of course,
because we're you know, we're very similar and we're talking
(15:40):
a lot. But it's that thing of like we're constantly
on the road. It takes for us to come all
the way out across and travel a day to go, Hey,
I got some time to watch your comedy now. Yeah,
oh I love it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I thank you so much for your time, enjoy the
rest of the time that you have in Australia and
when you're here in New Zealand. Thank you so much.
For more information and tickets to Rachel and Carey's shows
and all Kellanophiley can head to Comedy Festival dot Co
dot NZ and the panel is up next here on
News Talks. Heb it's twenty two past eleven.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
True crime continues to be perhaps the most addictive podcast genre,
and two killer queens of the podcasting world are heading
our way very shortly for the New Zealand Comedy Fest
and All Killer No Filler. Comedians Rachel Fairburn and Kirry
Pritchard Maclain explore their shared passion for serial killer cases
and while on the face of it, serial killers might
(00:34):
not seem like the best subject to based a comedy
podcast on, All Killer No Filler is kind of like
a night out with your best friends, just with way
much more murder. Rachel Fairburn and Caerry Pritchard McLain join
me now. Good morning to the two of you.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Good morning, thanks for having us.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Good morning Rachel. Eleven years of All Killer, No Filler.
What initially brought you to together?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Well, interestingly enough, we didn't know each other before we
started the podcast, and we lived across the road from
each other in Manchester in England at the time, and
we're both comedians and people said that you have, oh,
you've got very similar interest.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
You should meet each other.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
And because they didn't really put two women on the
same comedy bill at the time.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So we met up and we.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Decided to do a podcast, and we chose serial Killers
because we were both interested in them, and then we
started it. We didn't expect anyone to listen, and then
eleven years later, here we still are.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Cary, did you bond over Texadermy am? I right?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, actually that's not far off. We both have, I
suppose in a quiet taste when it comes to interior design. Yes,
there's quite a few dead things in our houses. We're
painting quite the picture of us now of an Adams
family get up here. But yeah, it was one of
those things where Rachel's so right. We hadn't really met
each other on the comedy circuit because there was still
of the mind that was just one woman on a bill,
(01:53):
So there were loads of sort of crossover and what
we're like in terms of music, in terms of taxidermy,
but crucially what's really brought us together is the love
of all things macarb and true crime.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Because e live in years, there's a long time to
work with someone. Do you find itself Do you find
yourself talking to each other more than you probably do
your family or you know other friends.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, well, i'd say so. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I think it's strange because I think if this was
all we did, because we stand ups as well, and
we do other bits and bobs. I think that if
this was all we did, it would be quite intense,
wouldn't it. And I think that's when people sort of
fall out or it goes a bit stale, you know,
if that's the only project they're working on.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
But yeah, we talk all the time.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
We send you know, it's unusual for us not to
talk to each other for a few days. Yeah, you know,
we always find things that the other one would like
and we'll send each other a message saying have you
seen this? Or you know, we sort of Yeah, we
have very similar interests and we dislike the same people
as well, which often helped in a bonded scenario. I
(03:00):
love them.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Where you say bits and bobs, I mean you're both huge,
You're on TV shows, you're doing your having the world
with comedy shows and things like that by hugely successful
comedians in your own right. But I wonder what has
the podcast done for you on a personal level in
career wise.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Wow, that's really interesting question. Well, I think for myself
it's definitely. I noticed from the beginning of starting to
do my own shows that there would be a core
group of people there who I could kind of tell
what they were laughing at and how they'd interrupted when
they after the show that they listened to the podcast.
And this is when there was not many listeners. And
(03:37):
I'd say the percentage of every audiences that are sort
of we call them legends, our listeners that are legends
has stayed the same. The audiences have got bigger, which
means there's more legends there, but I think there's always
a core group of support. But also when people respond
so positively to you being funny in your own way,
it gives you a bit more confidence with your own comedy.
(03:57):
Would you say that right, Yeah, that's exactly what I
would say.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I think when we started this, I was still sort
of trying to find out what people found funny about
me and what my voice was as such in comedy,
and then I sort of realized, oh, people like it
when I'm annoyed or irritated, and I am quite frequently,
so that's been quite quite good from my writing. And
I've also found that also, I think the main thing
(04:21):
that the podcast why it's so popular is because it's
two women talking to each other how women talk to
each other. It's not been manufactured. It's not you know,
we don't we don't keep things nice. We talk about
all kinds of things. We might swear a bit, you know,
and it's not scripted. It's not scripted, so we just
talk about all kinds of things. The way that women
actually talk when women are together.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Interesting you say, not scripted, but well researched.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, that's something that's been very important to us because
I mean, there wasn't a lot of true crime. Well
there weren't many true crime podcasts out there when we started,
but true crime generally was something that we were interested in,
but we found it was very shoddy researched. There was
a lot of men's of information being repeated, and we
didn't want to be part of that because we're understand
it's quite a I don't know, I guess, a controversial genre.
(05:10):
You know, it can cause a lot of damage to
the victims, to the families from how it's handled, and
we didn't want to be part of that narrative. So
it was important for us to present something different. So
we come at things with empathy. You know, we're very
sympathetic towards victims, their families, the impact, and so it's
also important that you do things like get people's names right,
you know, get the dates right, things like that, and
(05:31):
do you do your sort of due diligence basically.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
And you notice that, Richard, did they come naturally to you? Because,
as you say, you've got to keep that balance right,
You're dealing with some pretty horrible crimes at at point
at times, and the podcast is really funny. You've just
got to kind of maintain that balance. In the early days,
did you actually Sitney guidelines around where the jokes end
and the facts begin or was it quite natural between
(05:54):
the two of you.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I think it's quite natural, because well, obviously we engage.
We used to engage a lot trough Gram and I
think we would read things or maybe listen to things.
I'll watch things and think, well, the tone of this
isn't very approble, or you know that that doesn't tell
you enough about the victim, or this seems very sort
of celebrating the murderer, and well seems a bit brass really,
(06:16):
But it just came naturally. So all the humor always
comes from us talking about our lives, and we take
the research very seriously and we like to find out
as much as possible, and as you know, Kiri said,
we like to find out as much as possible about
the victims, to give them, you know, to paint a
picture of them, because they are a person as well.
We try to focus on that as well, not just.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
A serial killer. Well also, if you think about we
have a disclaimer at the beginning. Yeah, but that is Rachel.
Do you want to repeat some of it? Oh, yeah,
Well we say that it's not hero o worship.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
We do the podcast because we have a mutual interest
in serial killers, you know, and as we have a
little jokes say, as long as we're doing that, we're
not writing to them in prison, which of course is
just a little joke because we wouldn't do that. We
don't have the time anyway. It's just yeah, we're really
glad that we've got the balance right and in a
way that the podcast is very much like a diary
of our lives.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Over the past eleven years, isn't it as well?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
So you've got us sort of you know, living in Manchester,
they're moving caring, moving back to Wales, we moving to London,
You've got.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Relationships breaking up. Yeah, all kinds of things. So it's
like a little soap opera as well.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And I think that there there's why it works so well,
because you do feel like we all feel like we're
there with you. We're sort of you know, we all
know each other so well, when really we just know you.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Two very well.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
But there is really big community that surrounds this podcast.
Do you love doing the live shows and sort of
coming face to face with this community.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Absolutely. We really love our listeners because we have lots
of friends, you know, other comedians who do podcasts who
don't really like the people who listen to their output,
whereas we really really like them. We you know, often
we'll meet people after a show or meet them out
and about whatever, and you think, oh, this is just
someone I really get on with, because if they've listened
(07:58):
to over one hundred hours of you straight into their
brain by their ears, you know, chances now you are
on the same page. They're also very generous hearted bunch.
They do a lot of community things, a lot of fundrais,
and we often get messages from people who've reached out
who are part of the Facebook group who say, listen,
I've really found my community, or I was a new
mum and idea you felt really isolated in this group
(08:20):
of people have come in and sort of swept in
and really supported me, or I was going through a
tough time with this or that. So I feel really
proud actually that we are, in any small way able
to facilitate It's harder and harder for people to make
connections now, isn't it. And you know, have community and
if the legends have sort of contributed towards people having
(08:42):
more of a system around them than I think that's
something to feel really proud of.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Kerry.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
What do you think drives the subsision with true crime?
It's such a poplar genre, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, well, I think I mean it isn't a new
thing either. I mean Rachel always talks about it so
eloquently that you know, if you go back to Jack
the Ripper days, everyone was obsessed with Jack the Ripper.
That's what sold newspapers. People were pretending to be him.
And you know, you can kind of go as far
as you like and people are interested in that darker
side of I suppose humankind. I think the genre is
(09:13):
particularly big amongst women, and I think sometimes it's a
bit of a survival guide. You know that you can
feel a fear navigating this world and thinking, you know,
it's so the more information you have that the safer
you might be. I don't know what about you, what
do you think? I think it's just.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Quite natural to be interested in something that is so
far removed from what you would do.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
So I'm suspicious when someone isn't interested in crime and
I was like, what are you hiding?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
But yeah, I just think it's it's you know, when
you're reading about something and it's such a horrific thing
that you're so far removed from something you do, and
you just kind of want to understand or you know,
it's just why somebody would do an awful crime.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think that's what it is as well.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The podcast is self produced. How much of an appeal
is it that you can do what you want? You
could produce and create this podcast however you wanted it
to be.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I think it's really important, and I think especially in
the UK, I think more people are making their own
things now. I think not having somebody to tell you
what you can and can't say what you you know.
So I think it's it's been so important to make
to get our authentic friendship across because if you if
(10:28):
it was produced or if you know, we had you know,
a production company or somebody telling us, somebody'd always be
chipping in with we'd rather you didn't say that?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Or can you not swear? Can you not do this?
Can it needs to be twenty eight minutes?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It needs So we've got total freedom.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
We can make, you know, an hour episode, or we
can make two parts. We can talk about what we want,
we can. You know, it's total freedom. And I think,
as I say, in the UK as well, particularly a
lot of there's a lot of catching up to do
as far as the sort of entertainment industry is concerned,
because people are.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Just making their own stuff and finding their own audience.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I mean, it's really growing from humble beginnings to now
you know, you're at this point where traveling the world
with what can an audience expect from the Live or
Kill and o'feller show.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
We did our first one the other day in Melbourne
over here, so it's a brand new show that we've
written for this tour, and we didn't know what the
audience was going to be like if anyone was even
going to turn up. Oh my gosh. They were absolutely brilliant.
And we always ask people at this off, you know,
give us a year if you listen to the show,
give us you if you've got no idea what this is.
And there's always people who've sort of taken a punt
(11:33):
and come along, and we always check in within at
the end of the show and we've managed to convert
them every single time. There was a woman she was
so keen, wasn't she And she was like, Okay, firstly,
where do I find the podcast? Secondly did they do
any kind of follow up with this case or if
she had loads of questions? So it's really nice because
I think because we're both professional stand ups and been
(11:53):
doing it a long time now, that you know, we
want to give people an authentic experience of what All
Killer is, but we are presenting a live comedy show
at the same time, I think you could come along.
We're also very careful about what we picked to do
in the room. You know, we try and pick something
that's got some distance, you know, that feels that we
can be a bit more playful around it. Whilst always
(12:14):
of course respecting the victims. So yeah, I think we've
picked well for this one. Definitely, it's an interesting one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, And of course you're bringing your solo shows as well.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Kyri.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Your show is called Peacock and it's based around your
experiences of being a foster appearance, and you actually hit
to keep permission to write and perform this show, correct.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I mean that's one of the reason it's called Peacock because
I had to put it on sale before knowing if
I would be able to do the show. I had
written a show in secret that I was desperate to perform,
but you know, part of the conditions of me being
a foster care is that I couldn't talk about it
on stage. So I had to just put this tour
on sale and think, you know what, they might turn
around and say no, and I'll just have to write
some stand up about Peacocks. And so yes, it's a
(12:56):
show I've really enjoyed doing. I've had a lovely time
here at Melbourne, and I really touched that people kind
of resonate with the show as well, because I think
there's lots of people in my position who really like children,
really like you know, family, but don't necessarily want their
own biological children or family. And I suppose I'm trying
to present a another side of things and say, maybe
(13:18):
being a foster careast the right things.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, and so what made you want to become a
faster pearent?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, I it is that thing of I really do
love young people, but I had never i'd really sort
of decided, you know what, I don't think having a
biological family is the right thing. I saw, in particular
the women in my lives, how much of a toll
it was taking on them, and I, you know, I
love my job, and I didn't know how I would
be able to juggle those things. And then I just
(13:43):
heard an advert on the radio at home, and we
did some courses, and the more information we got about fostering,
I thought it would put us off, but it did
the exact opposite and made us realize that this is
the right fix for us. And yeah, I know we've
been doing it, my partner and I for but four
and a half years now.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Amazing. Yeah, is it true that you had to use
a fake name with your foster tis?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yes, yes, I was going by middle name Louise, and
my partner's surname, so I have a completely different alias,
and in fact it's only because of the show I
now get to use my real name with the kids.
Because the social workers were like, actually, we thought we
were doing this, We thought we were giving you a
fake name to protect everybody, but actually it's making things
harder and you feel very compromised, kind of lying to
(14:26):
the kids about your name. So just be yourself. Because
they thought the kids would google me and find my
stand up, but you find that teenagers don't actually care
very much about you. So it's been fine.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So true, and Rachel, we've better give a shout out
to live a Doll.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yes, yes, it's just to be honest, it's just an
hour of me doing stand up, just complaining.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Can I say I saw it the other night. It's
absolutely fantastic, I think question, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, it's just an hour of me doing classic me material,
I would say, complaining about everything from air fryers to
other people's children. And yeah, it's just just enjoy doing
it and people have really related to it. So if
you like a bit complaining, come along to that.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Oh I love it, don't we all? So that's really
interesting though. Cary you hadn't heard the show. So do
you do your solo work. You keep quite solo, do
you You don't share too much?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, what it is is more we were both on
tour for this whole of last year, and we live
in different places anyway, so yeah, we'll sort of vaguely
be aware what the other one is doing and what
they're talking about. And actually I was surprised there with
some stuff in your show. I was like, I talk
about something a bit similar there. But yeah, of course,
because we're you know, we're very similar and we're talking
(15:40):
a lot. But it's that thing of like we're constantly
on the road. It takes for us to come all
the way out across and travel a day to go, Hey,
I got some time to watch your comedy now. Yeah,
oh I love it.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Well.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I thank you so much for your time, enjoy the
rest of the time that you have in Australia and
when you're here in New Zealand. Thank you so much.
For more information and tickets to Rachel and Carey's shows
and all Kellanophiley can head to Comedy Festival dot Co
dot NZ and the panel is up next here on
News Talks. Heb it's twenty two past eleven.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
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