November 1, 2024 • 40 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Frank Ritchie and Luke Dallow to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
Gumboot Friday, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon wants the nazi salute banned, U.S. elections are on their way this week, Joe Biden calls Donald Trump supporters "garbage", and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh, okay, right, we're in. There we go. I thought
the music was going to hang around for a bit longer.
In fact, I was just saying to my producer, what
the hell are you doing playing Christmas music? But there
we go? And now well it's my turn. I'm Ton Beverage.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective. So that sort of threw
me there the instant silence, welcome to the show, looking
forward to your company over the next three hours. At
a moment, I'll be introducing our panel lists plural hopefully
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we're just trying to connect with one of them right now.
But looking ahead to the rest of the show. For
the four o'clock for the One Roof Property, our one
roof radio show, should I say, we're joined by Helen O'Sullivan.
We're going to talk about mortgage stress. Even though mortgage rates,
you know, looking at coming down, but we don't have
a chat about what are the mistakes people make when
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they start to panic about their mortgage and what about
the moment you can't you realize you can't actually ford
your mortgage anymore. What's the best what's the best tactic?
And also, if we get round to it, we'll also
look at spotting a good fixer upper, you know, finding
the houses that it's actually worth spending the money on
rather than you know, buying a money pit and regretting it.
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Five o'clock. Google Sutherland joins us, and we're going to
talk about, you know, if your kids are starting to
getting to that age where they're starting to look at
their own body image and they're not happy with themselves,
how do you actually handle that when you know, somebody says, oh,
I've got I don't know, the fat bomb bum or
something like that. How do you actually help your kids
navigate that stress around body image without making it worse,
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I guess would be the question. So we're going to
talk about that for the Parents Squad at five o'clock.
Whilso be rapping sports shortly before the end of the show,
but right now it is time for the panel. And
my first guess, he's actually new be on the show.
He's not a new BA to radio, but he's done
all sorts of things. He's been I spoke to him.
I think I might have even interviewed him. I'm talking
about him in the third person until I interview, until
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I introduce him, which feels a bit weird. I think
I might have interviewed him around the time of cover,
because he's been a former restaurateur and he is an entrepreneur,
and he's working in real estate right now.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And it's Luke Dello, Luke you going great? How are
you going? Buddy? You will? Oh good?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I thank you very much?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Here too, you too?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Hey? Don't you love?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Don't you love the fact that it really feels you know,
you can have the change in season and spring and
all that, but it really is starting to feel just that,
you know, the Daylight Savings is kicked in for a
few weeks now, it is feeling kind of summary, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's great, get up earlier in the morning, go for
that morning sort of walk at their fresh air, and
then all of a sudden, you know, before you know,
you're shooed off some bathing.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Now were you but traumatized by that little bit of Christmas?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Now?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I didn't know what the hell that musical interlude was
To get the show going.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Was I've got my Christmas tree up already, have you.
I've reached out of Christmas cards. I'll get it early.
You've got your Christmas tree up already? Absolutely by plastic
Christmas tree.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Plastic or real plastic, all the AAA.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Anyway, I'm just going to check if we if we've
connected through to our We No, we haven't got our
next guest, actually, because we're hoping we're going to be
joined by Frank Ritchie for the moment, for the moment,
for the whole blooming hour actually, but we've just seen
a little bit of a bit of a problem connecting
through with there at the moment. By the way, you
can text your feedback anytime on nine to nine two
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and let me just think. Tell you what, well, I
think we'll just have it's just you and me for
the time being. I think Luke, isn't that fun? Well,
let's just rip it the bapties. The bat does of
a fire, right, okay?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The first topic of the day something that happened during
the course of the week. And I'm Mike King. So
he was talking to Heather duperic Allen and it was
it was actually around an alcohol license not being granted
or being objected to by the police for a fundraiser,
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and he was in that context he talked about alcohol
and how ridiculous it was. But then he said, alcohol
is not a problem for people with mental health issues.
It's actually a solution to our problem until you come
up with a better solution. And all of a sudden,
the council machine has kicked into action. What was your
reaction to the whole story.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, there's two things. First thing is why the police
refusing giving an alcohol license to a charity, I mean
only giving it an alcohol lisse. I know alcohol quite well,
is to run an event that you can sell alcohol
in a well managed way. So I'm surprised that the
police got into that situation for a start.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Because the message was that, well, alcohol is not good,
therefore we shouldn't be drinking it at a suicide prevention fundraiser.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
But they opened up so many other restaurants and bars
if you want the alcohol license, and people of mental
health going to those bars and restaurants anyway, So I
don't know why the police got into that. Secondly, Mike King,
he's a legend. He is a legend for mental health
and Look, he might have seen something that he probably
is remorseful for, but look at the big picture in
New Zealand, it's like the big picture is mental health.
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He gets money from the government twenty four million dollars.
None of that money goes towards salaries. It actually goes
towards people.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Paying for counseling sessions, for counseling.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
So hey, look, leave the guy alone. He's a top bloke.
I think we've got bigger battles to fight.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, I think the thing is also I mean I
was it Ingrid Larry from Labour talked about, you know,
the government should review the funding. It's just it just
seems I think we're going barking mad that if somebody
who's at the figure is the figure. Look, he is
the figurehead of Gunboot Friday and I am hope, et cetera.
But the fact that he said something, and I always
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took it when I heard it, I thought, well, he's
talking from his own personal experience and that he used
to you know, lean on alcohol and drug use to
to silence his negative voices.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Et cetera.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But the idea that someone like him says something that's
that needs a bit of correcting from people saying, look,
actually alcohol isn't the answer, which is fair.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Enough correct him.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But the idea that you should be canceling the funding,
to me, it's.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's I don't know what labor.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I think it's barking mad, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
It's so hazy and knee jerk and it's all all
about votes, isn't it. And you know, getting getting media
attention from Labor, but it doesn't deserve the media attention
it got. You can't knee jerk these things. It's the
big picture I see. Is the big picture what Mike
King has done for for jump Boots and mental health.
You know, he's a top bloke and.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
In fact, you know, the other thing is when you
think about I was just reflecting on this, is that
once somebody is up there and they're a public figure,
it sort of feels maybe like they're a bit more
fair gaming. Look, Mike can wear the stuff. I'm sure
he can handle it. But I think sometimes we lose
it's easy to lose perspective on when you look at
what they have created with that organization, and okay, he
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would says, and it is it's a huge team effort.
You have to have people behind, you have to have sponsors,
you have to have people who are passionate about the course.
But the fact that you've managed to well, I don't
know how many years, but there was a time when
there was no I am hope there was no gun
Boot Friday, and through him and his efforts and the
team around him, they've created this thing. I think, I
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don't know. I just sometimes think it's worth stopping and going.
You know, this is flipping amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Oh, it's flipping amazing, And I do you know what.
I hope he had a great day yesterday because you've
got a lot of publicity and.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh yeah, I don't know how much they raised, yes.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And I'd be very interested to see how much that
did raise. And I reckon it'd be up more than
past years because it's the publicy that they've put it
out there. Maybe it was a bit of a you know.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Only one thing the world worse than being talked about
is that not being talked about. Yeah. Actually I spoke
to him on Inzac not Inzacs, sorry, Labor Day breakfast.
I get my holidays muddled up when I when I've
been filling in, And he was saying that While it
was great that they'd got the government funding, he said
it was a double edged sword because in terms of
his he said, we still don't have. It impacted quite
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a lot on his ability to actually fundraise because people think, oh,
you haven't you been funded by the government, and so
they stopped giving and he's like, we need people to
keep giving to this cause. That's right, yeah, worth pointing
that out. Anyway, Hey, look, we're going to take a
quick moment just to regroup and see if we can
actually try and connect with Frank Ritchi, who's going to
be joining us for the panel. This is the Weekend Collective.
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my guests, my guests, well, my guest is Luke Dala
and my guests will be we're just connecting through to
to Frank Richie in a moment. I think he's just
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getting a system booted up down the line. Anyway, This
is the panel and if you're looking for the rest
of the show. Four o'clock for the one roof radio show,
Helen and Sullivan joins us to talk about mortgage stress
and the parents squad. How do you deal with your
you know, your your tween or your teenager when they're
starting to have body image issues? How do you help
them never a gate some of the anxieties that crop
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up as they sort of well as they grow up. Basically, right,
let's let's carry on with the with the panel until
we can connect through with Frank. Actually he's here right now.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Shall we say hello to Frank? Is he there?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
There we go?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yeah, I am here, mate. I'm so sorry my camera's
not working. It's been a bit of a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
No worries. Actually, I had a when I was going
to introduce you. I was going to say, my next
friend is tight with the Lord, and then we were
going to play this particular clip to announce your arrival.
And really it's now announcing my relief that you're here.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
All right, what are we playing?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It was just the hallelujah? Yeah, there we go? Oh goody. Well,
we'll start with you and you can say a load
of Luke too. By the way, Frank Luke, Luke, this
is Frank Frank.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Here you going, buddy. How's your watch? Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Look, yeah, I'm going to take it on the chain.
It's totally my bead. I didn't look at my calendar
and I got completely caught out. But thankfully Tire.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Their producer, did a very good job of getting me on.
It's good to meet you, Luke.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Now hey, so let's get into it. Nazis. The PM
wants the once the Nazi Salute band, and this is
based on the mongrel mibe who says ze Kyle and
sort of make fascist sort of gestures, which seems to
me to be a little bit weird given they don't
quite fit the image of what a I don't know
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where to go with this one, but anyway, it just
seems it's always seemed totally anachronistic and ridiculous, but it
does Seemour's not so keen on banning it, and of
course we get the gang patch insignia banning laws. Where
are you with this side of things, Frank, on the
free speech and all that, and Zekil being banned and
all that, What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I mean I can understand why David Seymour was going
where he is. There's a libertarian obviously, you want to
let people do whatever it is that they want to do.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
I know that in the White Cutter.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Interestingly, in the White Cutter the Mongrel Mob Kingdom banned
it while ago, so they are people in the White
cuts or don't use it, but it's used in many
other parts.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Of the country.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And of course it harks back to the mongrel mob
just trying to be the most rebellious that they possibly can,
the most offensive that they possibly can. So take the
most offensive thing that you can at the time when
they were formed and throw that out there. So that
was the swastika, that was the seguile. In terms of
banning it, it probably just plays into who they are.
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I mean, it's not like they're trying to follow the law,
so it's just banning it just increase the desire.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
To do it, I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, I was really sort of fifty to fifty about
it because I'm generally pro prespection. I think in the
end falled out. I fall on the side of if
people don't want to reveal themselves as either bigoted, fascist
or just downright stupid. I tend to think, let them
do it. Luke, what do you think that's interesting? Because
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the moder mob definitely not blue eyed and blonde.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
He are they?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
But I'm no fan of the Nazi Saluta, and I
just clarified that for it, not much of I'm not
much of a fan of that. So but I just
let the clueless stay clueless. And we can't exactly slap
and no stupidity sign on every corner, but that's her eyes.
I'm pretty just let them do what they want to
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do and just let them be idiots.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I think the thing that confused me, where I can
confuse myself is that if there was a white supremacist
movement in New Zealand. Let's say we had our own
homegoing Nazis and they were holding a rally, wandering down
Queen Street, marching and shouting zig high with swastiks and stuff.
I wouldn't be so keen on that freedom of speech
because I tend that would probably because it would be
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an instrument of intimidation, which would be a reason you
could stop it. But you know what I mean with
the mangral mob, it's like us just among them being dickheads.
But if we took it to its full extent, I
don't think we would want that, would we frame.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, yeah, And again this argument goes both ways, because
you're right, it's not like we would want everybody just
doing whatever they want out in the open and even
protesting and whatever the way that they that they wanted.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So I hear you.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
If there were people walking down the street who were
truly Nazis throwing that stuff around, you'd want the you'd
want the police to crack down on that.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I would.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I would imagine it's just the when we get into
those older gangs here in New Zealand, everything is so
much more complex because when we think about how they
started and why they were pushing against society as they
were at the time, you kind of see where it
comes from. So it's more complex than just a bunch
of people doing something that we find offensive.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Luke, I'd actually prefer with the Mong. The world goes
from how how hell you know as they do. But look,
I really look at them. When I look at and
I drive by and their door, there bit some pieces
I just turned blind eye. Let them be a minority
of New Zealand And look, we can't ban everything. People
have got a freedom of speech, but they look pretty silly,
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you know.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, anyway, look at a tree topically freedom of speech then,
because you know it's the you've got to fight for
people's right to say things we don't want to hear,
and so much in a way. But anyway, look, let's
move on now. This is completely slightly different, completely different
topic here builders being able to self certify low risk
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work under a new scheme that's been planned by the government.
So it's basically that builders who have a sort of
track record of building lots of the same sort of
structures will be able to actually self certify. It's an
opt in certification scheme. It's sort of for trusted building professionals.
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There's obviously for you the opposition, Luke, you don't like
this because you think we're going to see leaky homes again.
But is this a pragmatic solution to simply getting construction
going as we desperately need it to do.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I think it's a fantastic solution. I think the builders
should be self certified and then they should be doing
like a ten hours verifiable sort of training every year
to keep up with the law and so forth, and
keep you right on top of it. It just gets
rid of the red tape, just gets rid of the
council sort of level, and then you actually can get
to progress and building, et cetera, and get a build
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up quickly and get onto the next build. Our biggest
thing in New Zealand is red tape and I dislike it,
and I think this is a great idea. Let's move
forward on.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
What about what about for dodgy built? I mean, I
guess it's it's for people who with an established track record.
Do you worry that it'll have the potential for shoddy
workmanship to be swept under the carpet and then the
builders have gone and there's no sort of recourse to
the to the bars. What are you a good point there?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That's good point. I mean one scain. I think they
should be they should be locked in for ten years
and there WI should be guaranteed for ten years and
then also have insurances around it, Like maybe if I'm
building something or to build, I'm gonna have an insurance
around it. And this is what I'm going to assure myself.
To be a good master can't be given out. Willy
nilly though. It's got to be given to people who
are certified, who have gone through the training, and look
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how much experience you've had.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, I mean, frank, I cheekily want to sort of say,
when Jesus was a carpenter, you trust him to self certify,
wouldn't you? That is a bit that is a bit
mischievous of me, But actually it's not a bad point,
do you what do you?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Well?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I don't know if it's a good point, but it's
a bit of fun. What do you think I would
I would.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Trust Jesus to certify himself, bad.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Jesus.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I feel like I must be completely missing something here,
because of course we all went through the nineties and
the leaky home thing. I look, it might start out okay,
there might be some trusty builders who will do a
good job on this, but at the end of the day,
if someone starts to cut corners and they're tacking their
own boxes, and then you only find out a number
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of years later when your home starts having some real
issues and then you're in the crap, you're in the
firing line.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Insurance will find ways to not pay out.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I feel like I must be missing some thing for
this to sound.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
The Leaky Homes was actually a totally different thing with Placi.
Now we've got better, we know that our learnings from
the Leaky Homes, but it was a different build set.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I think the thing is is that it's not just
any builder. It won't be just high. I'm a builder,
I've got I'm a master builder, therefore I can self certify.
I think it's builders and companies with a track record
of building particular styles of dwellings, so like, for instance,
I imagine it would be like Fletchers when they're building
an a thing like Stonefields, then they would be self
certifying because their buildings thinks to the same standard consistently.
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I wouldn't be in favor of it being just any
old builder going yeah, I'm self certifying. I would hope
that's not it, and that's my guess that it isn't. Frank,
does that help you, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
It helps me a little. I guess the proof will
be in the pudding. I haven't dove into the details,
and i'd want to see the.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Details fair enough, fair enough. Now the US election, gosh,
I'm I'm sort of desperate for it to be over,
and maybe I'm not desperate to be over depending on
the result. But have you been following up Frank closely?
Are you? Are you going to be glued to the
television because it's coming up this week I think around
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Wednesday early morning, Thursday morning sort of thing. It's over
a latter half of next week. What do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be glued to it because it's like
train wreck TV, and I'll I'll be glad that it'll
finally be over. But then the worry is that it's
going to be really close and it won't be over.
That'll be weeks and weeks, maybe even months of legal
battles as they try to work it out. But my goodness,
it can't come soon enough.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Luke, I find it fascinating. I really like American politics.
It's like a new soap and so forth. But it's
going to be a big week in elections, and I feel,
I feel Trump He's going to come in and he's
going to come back. He's definitely a character and no
doubt about that. And I really like his TV presence
as like the other day with his garbage jacket on.
But hey, Harris is tripping up with you know, and
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she's tiing up the Biden sort of talk and so forth.
And it's funny, I've met Donald Trump, have you back
in ninety seven?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Was that pre pre your post there?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
But when was the Apprentice?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
That was pre Oh wow?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah? And it's actually not a bad bloke face to face.
And I don't know, but I paid a different picture.
I don't I'm not going to back them or I'm
not going to back just but he's actually not a
bad bloke. And that's coming from me shaking his hand.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Okay, I shock his hand.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Therefore he's okay, Frank, Okay, where you go.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Oh look, it's choosing the lesser of two evils, isn't it.
And for me, if I if I had to vote,
it would come down to who do I think would
do the least long term damage the soul of the
United States. And so you're gonna, I think either way,
you're gonna have to put up with some stuff that's
like swallowing.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
A dead rat.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
But I would probably go down the Harris track for
that reason. I think the continued deepening of division in
the United States is horrid, and I think Trump drives
that harder than she does. Both sides are guilty of it,
but I think he drives it harder than she does.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, I think I would almost pick up a fault.
There's a little bit of a false equivalence going on.
I think that you know that one side's bad, but
the other side's just as bad. I mean, and his presidency,
Donald Trump lied about thirty thousand times the fact checkers,
And so if Harris gets caught saying something that's wrong that,
you know that there'll be apoplexy about it. And it's
almost like Trump can just keep on just saying stuff
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that's just plain crazy, and yet he gets a free
pass for it because we just, you know what, we're
sort of we're sort of punched drunk from it, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's so socious when he says it, and it's quite
believable in the way, and when Harris is just wavery
and a bit flip feather around the sort of her comments.
But hey, look, I reck I'm going to see Trump
and Power next week, you reckon? Yeah, that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Okay, what do you The early turnout is pretty big, Frank,
Do you think that tells any sort of story in
terms of which what might go? Nah?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
No, I think it's completely unpredictable at the moment when
you look at the swing states, it could go. It
could go in either direction. I hate the fact that
it seems very hard to call.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I imagine they'll be keeping trying to keep Biden out
of the picture. That comment where he referred to where
he's referring to the comedian, I think, but he looked
like he'd gropped all of Trump's supporters in them, describing
them as garbage. I did see a transcript of it
where he was talking about the only garbage icee floating
out there is his supporter apostrophe s, which means one person.
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And wouldn't it be amazing if the whole course of
the election was decided by an apostrophe Frank And by
the way, I have to credit my caller Dallas for
making that point, because he'll be listening going, you're ripping me.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Off, but doesn't doesn't Doesn't that show something though? I think,
and again it's not necessarily false equivalents, but there's the
sense that one side likes the bit of a dog
fight while the other side aims to look virtuous. But
you get behind the scene of politics and everybody's talking down.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Those who are different from them.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I would love to see. And I think something died
with John McCain when John McCain passed away. I think
something in the soul of American politics died where there
was a mutual respect from some for those who are
on the other side. The way that you get stuff
done is in the middle, but we keep driving further
and further apart. So to see Biden make a comment
like that just takes away some of the venier of
(23:31):
what's on the other side as well.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, it's worth remembering that Trump did call McCain a
loser for being for being caught and actually being captured.
But anyway, there we go.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Who has a Trump called a loser?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Uh? You apparently when you met him. Anyway, Actually, on
the whole thing of American politics, I was quite amazed
that at the reaction to the Washington Post, so they
were going to make an endorsement. The newspapers over there
often make endorsements of presidential candidates, and I find myself
(24:04):
agreeing with Bezos who owns the Washington Past, and he said, no, no,
you're not making an endorsement. And they have lost as
a result of their non endorsement are reported two hundred
and fifty thousand subscribers.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
But Frank, I can't.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
It just seems to me for journalistic institutions who would
pride themselves on unbiased reporting, that they think it's okay
to endorse a presidential candidate. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah, isn't it astounding a And he mentioned that they
were going back to the DNA, the soul of who
they were back in the day where they wouldn't make endorsements.
And if you live here in New Zealand, of course
everybody has their opinion about our various media outlets and
which way they swing politically, but to come out and
to endorse is something that's anathema to how we believe
(24:51):
and understand media should work. So to see two hundred
and fifty thousand people walk away from their subscription for
a media outlet because they decided to not endorse, just
that's mind blowing. You think people would be chairing, But
obviously many of them probably have a side that is
sympathetic to whoever the Washington Post has endorsed in the past.
(25:11):
They want to see that again. The fact that it
hasn't happened has made them angry.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It's not often you find yourself necessary agreeing with someone
who's a multi billionaire like Jeff Bezos. But I thought
he nailed it with his comments. He talked about the
increasing distrust of media outlets and people are relying more
on social media and the rumors and the misinformation that's
on there, and he just said, look, I just don't
think this is the last thing. Effectively, I'm paraphrasing him,
(25:36):
this is the last thing we should be doing.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Luke, that's a great word you use there, Frank. Was
it anataca anathema?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
And it is the opposite, the opposite of but it
sounds a bit more dramatic.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Oh, it's very dramatic. Hey, I just don't think newspapers
are endorsed, you know, that endorse any sort of political
swing at all. And I'm right behind him, and let's
lose those subscribers to me.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah. Actually, by the way, if you're going if you
don't have a look at if you google Jeff Bezos
or the endorsement or something, the stories that come up
and you watch other news news outlets attacking Jeff Bezos
for this, it just shows you that in America, there
obviously is a different sort of spirit of the times
in terms of what is and isn't acceptable. It's quite amazing.
(26:21):
But of course here imagine imagine the New Zealand Herald
endorsing a particular political candidate or television one news, you know, indeed, surprise, surprise. Anyways, Okay,
we'll be back in just a moment. It's so twenty
four minutes two four News Talks.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
By Welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I'm Tim Beveridge. My guests are the Reverend Frank Ritchie,
host of Sunday six, and Luke Dallow's on the show
for the first time No Stranger Radio. But now, guys,
this is this is a weird one. This whole Russia
finds Google more than the world's GDP, so judges in Moscow.
They're seeking twenty decillion dollars from the technology giant. I
(27:13):
think that's a twenty followed by thirty three zeros. And
I just look at this and think it just plays
into the idea, how can you take Russia seriously with
just the sort of nonsense. What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Luke? I think, what's the point to me? It's just
a hull heap of thirty two or thirty four zeros,
and I really don't understand what the point is, and
I just think once again they're just making it up
and pootin and so forth.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It does make Russia look to me like less of
a serious country, even though they are very serious that
it look nuclear arms and they're invading Ukraine and everything. Frank,
what did you make of it?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I think it's obviously just a bit of an attempt
at a power move. I don't think it actually plays
out like a power move because it just looks ridiculous,
but an attempt at a power move to take a
hit at one of the biggest companies, Western companies, American
companies on the Internet. I can't see it being anything
more than that.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
By the way, the thing I like about it is
I like to know how on Earth they got to
that number. But what it was was Google's find a
daily penalty of one hundred thousand rubles, and they were
warned that the amount would double every twenty four hours
if it went unpaid. And I guess, well, you know,
they could have started at one ruble and doubled it.
They'd still be owing a fair wack wouldn't they.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Look maybe just do a nearly se element of a million.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, that's just to me. I just thought, what a
bizarre story. Anyway, onto other things. Now we got the
All Blacks versus England later on, I think in the
next twenty four hours, and there's been a bit of
I'm not going to say controversy around the Harker, but
you know the England prop Joe Mahler said, it's basically
(28:49):
called for it sort of be banned. He said it
needs binning, and it has stood up a bit of
a remark. I don't get offended by these sorts of things,
but it did remind me that I'm to be honest.
I'll be honest with you. I'm less and less interested
in the Harker as I used to be. Used to
be listening to the anthems. Maybe listen to the anthems,
but glue yourself to the TV set. But now I
(29:10):
find I sometimes go and make a cup of tea
at that stage. Frank, are you a Harker fan?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I still get goosebumps every single time I see it,
and people like Marla need it to happen otherwise they
have nothing else to talk about if you want to,
if you want the opportunity to take a hit at
New Zealanders, add some drama to the game, wind things up.
If the hacker wasn't there, he'd be a bit berefed.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
The thing is it has some of the comments that
have been made in terms of the discussion is it overdone?
Do we have too much of it? Luke? What do
you think?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I'm a big fan of the hacker with the All Blacks,
and I'm gonna get myself in trouble here. I'm gonna
get myself big trouble here for male sports because the
harker is a war dance before you go to war.
And when I see some female sports teams do the hacker,
I find it a little bit devaluing to the hacker
off the All Blacks or the Kiwis. I'm i the hack.
(30:05):
It does gives me goosebumps, but I think it should
be limited as a very special It was already around
the All Blacks and that's where it started, and hey,
look at this part of New Zealand culture. Yes, I
do agree with that, but it's a bit watered down
at the moment and everyone seems to be doing.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It I tell you, the thing that would probably help
me with my enthusiasm for it is the throat slitting gesture.
I think is actually it's disgusting to me. It's unnecessary.
I don't know why it's got crept in there. Remember
when they had the throat slitting gesture and then the
guy who designed the hark I said, Oh, it's just
(30:42):
the drawing of the breath into the lungs.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
But now it's explicit.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
They draw their thumbs across the throat in a throat
slitting gesture. And if you're telling me it's anything other
than that, then I think we're being gaslet. I want
to see that gone and then maybe I'll start showing
a bit more interest in it, because to me, it's
unnecessarily savage.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I mean, if the munglemod did that to you, how
would you feel? Well?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, I mean do you think that's a fair point, Frank,
or do you like? You into the whole shebang?
Speaker 6 (31:06):
I like the whole shebank, you like the threats someting
but as well?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
But what what what helps me with this whole thing
is I jumped on. I think it was the telegraph
that I think it was the telegraph that first published,
Marla making the comments, and you jump into the comments
and there's all these Brets having a go at out,
all these Brits calling it uncivilized. Now, when it comes
to the British track record in New Zealand, I think
(31:32):
if there's any nation that needs to shut up about
the Haka, it's the Brits.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Okay. The colonization, it's almost like one of those discussions.
The longer it goes before you know, somebody's going to
mention colonization. It used to be that was the rule
around what was it. There's a rule about in the
longer social media discussion goes, the higher the chance of
someone mentions the Nazis. I can't remember the name of
that law. But and now we're getting there with the
colonization thing. By the way, are you are you going
(32:00):
to be watching sort of live or do you get
up for Frank and watch it to delayed?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
This is where I start to sound like a real slacker.
I don't have sky, so it would have been delayed.
But now I get in bed relatively early as I've
been getting older, so I can't be bothered saying it later.
So I checked, I checked the Herald the following morning.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
You check.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I see you don't hang on a minute. You're all
into the Harker. I'd be thought you'd be you'd be
recording it or finding access so you could like, I
want to watch the Harker and then I guess I'll
watch the game after it.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Are You're kind?
Speaker 4 (32:28):
But this is this is why, this is why I'm
so into The Hacker, because I don't actually watch it
all the time.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
What about you, Luke, I'll be up there watching it,
absolutely yeah, I'll It's four o'clock in the morning. I've
been watching. I love the beating, the English threat of
the English.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I think probably my favorite. One of my favorite sports
fixtures is actually the Northern Hemisphere too, when they're all
black sky overseas, I don't know, it's just twicking them.
What are we playing France as well in Ireland? I mean,
I'll tell you what. Those are three tough matches. What
do you what do you rate our chances? Do you
think we're going to do all three?
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I think we're gonna have a three peet do the
whole lot.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yep, it's good on you. What about you, Frank?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Oh no, I'm quite worried.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I mean, there's signs of got Robertson pulling this team
into some sort of future, but I don't think they're
they're there yet. I think this is going to be
a massively hard run.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, interesting to see that. We'll be having a chat
when the Sports Rat with Nathan Limb about this. But
that Bowden Barrett's sort of back in the ten jersey.
I think the Damien Mackenzie is well, he's given him
a few goes in it, but it hasn't quite jeled,
has it.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Luke, No, he is a jild at all. And I
think he's a better fallback than a ten, and he's
a bit risky as a ten to me.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, Okay, look, we're going to take a moment. We'll
be back and just to tick. This is the weekend
Collective the Panel. My guests are Frank Ritchie and Luke Dallo.
It is fourteen minutes to four new Stalks. He'd been
limit gonna go to the Blessed.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
When downstime, Go ahead, out.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Sparence and welcome back. This is the weekend Collective of
the Panel. I'm Tim Beverage. My guests are Frank Ritchie
and Luke Deller. So now that guys, there's been a
call from a road or a holiday park manager who
wants the count sort of clamp down on freedom camping rules,
saying that the users users, well, they're not using anything.
The non users, I guess of for local accommodation, they're
(34:19):
freedom camping do not support local business. What do you reckon, Luke?
Because I won't say what I think, I'll let you
say and then I'll climbing later on.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I think freedom camping is fantastic and when I did
it all around Europe, I've done it around Australia, I've
done it up and down New Zealand. Actually you're my
own camp event, and I think it's absolutely it's a
good way. It's quite a risk. It's risk you sort
of way in a bit of a venture. When you
pull up on the side, you don't know what's going
to happen during the night. It's I think it's quite good,
you know.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I like the danger.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I like the danger side of things knocked you the night, Hey,
you know someone's broken down the car. You're there freedom
camp happening helping out. Hey. They do support because they
don't not putting their money in the keepground. They support
local bars and restaurants, and I know that personally, and
they do spend money within the community.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Frank, what do you reckon?
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Yeah, I'm supportive of freedom camping.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I'm supportive of people being able to make their way
around as long as they're being respectful of the place
that they're in, which means that maybe there are some
freedom camping areas that need to be policed a little
more to make sure people aren't leaving a mess. But
the idea of freedom camping, the idea of people making
their way around the country and pitching tents when they're
where they're allowed to as well. I just think it's
(35:31):
a great way to move around. It feels like a
very key wee way to move around. But this person
runs a holiday park and obviously feels like she's missing
out on some business. And it's a tough time for
businesses at the moment. So if you are listening at
the moment your freedom camping anywhere around the country, do
go out and support local businesses who are doing it tough.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Actually, have you have a freedom camped Frank?
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I No, not in a camp, Evan, But I've done
tenting in a few places which I quite enjoy.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, look what were you doing it on when you
did the freedom camp.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I've done it in a comedy van around Europe for
six weeks and that was fantastic. You just pulling this off.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
That's the perf. That is the quintessential hippie sort of camp.
Freedom camping vehicle, isn't.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
It totally totally two people sleeping inside two of us
outside a mid of a corn bush.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Lady Gray, No, you're okay, Sam Bloody don't right?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I wonder, Frank, are we a bit hypocritical as well?
When we have these discussions. I mean we often get
discussions and okay, this one's about freedom camping, and I
think people have in their minds overseas freedom campers coming
here and just not really spending their money. But on
the other side of the corn coin New Zealanders, we
would hate to think that we couldn't go around Europe
(36:46):
unless we stated paid sort of accommodation. We like to
think we can move a bit freely ourselves a wee
bit hypocritical on the stuff, do you think?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I think if we're jumping up and down about it
and not even overseas, I think there are many key
wees who like to make their way around our country.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
And camper vans and to be able to do it
as well.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
I mean you think back through that the covid era
and how many people got out when we didn't have
a lot of tourists around the country made their way
around the country. And if you want to do that
and you've got a family and you're on a tight budget,
you don't necessarily want to have to pay the big
fees that some of these holiday parks charge. So the
ability to respectfully work your way around the country and
have sites with that you can stay in, look after
(37:25):
your family, look after yourself, I think are wonderful.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I always think sorry where you go.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I don't think there's a budget thing for me. I
think it's more just being a Kiwi and enjoying the
country that we live in, and I think that's the
big thing. I mean, look, I can afford a campground,
but I rather sleep on the side of the road.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Really, you just pull up on the side of the
road and that's just on a main road, or do
you pull off the side somewhere or.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
That little country road and oh little country because you
want to know piece of quiet don't want to live
next daway.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I think these things always get a bit of they
get a bit of buy on from the media in
a way, because we can all imagine the worst type
of freedom campers. You know that we've seen people doing
their business and the bushes and all that sort of mess.
But if people are going to basically be respectful of
our country, then I reckon just get around and knock yourself.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Out and enjoy yourself.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Auckland Marathon this weekend, which I'll have mixed feelings about,
only because it'll take me about twice as long to
get to work. Ever run a marathon, Frank.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
No, I'm only just getting back to the point where
there's a little bit of jogging in my long walks.
The idea of doing a marathon would kill me. I'm
really proud when I can get to the point where
I can do five k. Back in the day, about
five years ago, I was doing ten k fairly regularly,
but the idea of doing more than that far out
ten k's hard work imagined going further.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
What about you, Luke, Yes, I've done the traverse twice
now with the run to the city, it's fantastic. Starts
with a Smales farm, go with the Harbor Bridge. So
you've done a marathon, I've walked it. I've walked it. Yeah,
I've walked it.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Well, that's no mean feat walking running whatever, it's twenty
six miles, it's actually it's just a cashual.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
It's a good walk.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
You know, how long does it take you tostrill a marathon?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Well, like I like go behind like the cyclist, you know,
I go behind and break the wind and so forth,
and it's makes it easier.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, you might need to find a different way of
expressing that. I mean, you're yes, you know what I mean.
I don't know it sounded like you. But I tipped
my head to one parting around the twenty six miles
of the Augland marathon.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
But I tipped my head to one guy, Garth barth At.
He's become the oldest competitors in New York City's running marathon.
He's in his eighties. Yeah, he's a great man.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Actually, just on that. We've only got about a minute
to go. I don't know if you guys would have
seen the story. We didn't slate it for conversation, but
I see that arch Jelly who is John Walker's coach
was given an award. I think he lifetime membership of
Athletics New Zealand or something at the age of one
hundred and two. Did you guys, either of you guys
see that story. No, well, because arch Jelly one hundred
(39:54):
and two years old. I mean this sounds comic to say,
but he didn't look a day over eighty. But he
looked amazing at that age at one hundred and two.
You didn't see to either, Frank, No, no, but well deserved.
And look, when it comes to marathons, if you're going
to do a marathon in New Zealand, the scenery around
Auckland is stunning, go for it. Yeah, have you it's
(40:15):
not on your to do list, then not on the
bucket list.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Neither be to sit on the side, eat, twist these,
drink of beer and letch everybody else go past.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And if you look, Luke Dally, you're breaking window behind
the cyclist. Well find well we'll work out a way
to say that after we've gone off. Anyway, Hey, Luke,
thanks for coming, and Mate really appreciate the time. And
Frank good good to catch up with you all. Af
Ford to next time a pleasure, gentlemen, Thank you excellent.
We'll be back with the one roof radio show. Helena
Sullivan joins us. This is News Talk Said B.
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh, okay, right, we're in. There we go. I thought
the music was going to hang around for a bit longer.
In fact, I was just saying to my producer, what
the hell are you doing playing Christmas music? But there
we go? And now well it's my turn. I'm Ton Beverage.
Welcome to the Weekend Collective. So that sort of threw
me there the instant silence, welcome to the show, looking
forward to your company over the next three hours. At
a moment, I'll be introducing our panel lists plural hopefully
(01:10):
we're just trying to connect with one of them right now.
But looking ahead to the rest of the show. For
the four o'clock for the One Roof Property, our one
roof radio show, should I say, we're joined by Helen O'Sullivan.
We're going to talk about mortgage stress. Even though mortgage rates,
you know, looking at coming down, but we don't have
a chat about what are the mistakes people make when
(01:31):
they start to panic about their mortgage and what about
the moment you can't you realize you can't actually ford
your mortgage anymore. What's the best what's the best tactic?
And also, if we get round to it, we'll also
look at spotting a good fixer upper, you know, finding
the houses that it's actually worth spending the money on
rather than you know, buying a money pit and regretting it.
(01:51):
Five o'clock. Google Sutherland joins us, and we're going to
talk about, you know, if your kids are starting to
getting to that age where they're starting to look at
their own body image and they're not happy with themselves,
how do you actually handle that when you know, somebody says, oh,
I've got I don't know, the fat bomb bum or
something like that. How do you actually help your kids
navigate that stress around body image without making it worse,
(02:15):
I guess would be the question. So we're going to
talk about that for the Parents Squad at five o'clock.
Whilso be rapping sports shortly before the end of the show,
but right now it is time for the panel. And
my first guess, he's actually new be on the show.
He's not a new BA to radio, but he's done
all sorts of things. He's been I spoke to him.
I think I might have even interviewed him. I'm talking
about him in the third person until I interview, until
(02:37):
I introduce him, which feels a bit weird. I think
I might have interviewed him around the time of cover,
because he's been a former restaurateur and he is an entrepreneur,
and he's working in real estate right now.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And it's Luke Dello, Luke you going great? How are
you going? Buddy? You will? Oh good?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I thank you very much?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Here too, you too?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Hey? Don't you love?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Don't you love the fact that it really feels you know,
you can have the change in season and spring and
all that, but it really is starting to feel just that,
you know, the Daylight Savings is kicked in for a
few weeks now, it is feeling kind of summary, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's great, get up earlier in the morning, go for
that morning sort of walk at their fresh air, and
then all of a sudden, you know, before you know,
you're shooed off some bathing.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Now were you but traumatized by that little bit of Christmas?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Now?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I didn't know what the hell that musical interlude was
To get the show going.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Was I've got my Christmas tree up already, have you.
I've reached out of Christmas cards. I'll get it early.
You've got your Christmas tree up already? Absolutely by plastic
Christmas tree.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Plastic or real plastic, all the AAA.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Anyway, I'm just going to check if we if we've
connected through to our We No, we haven't got our
next guest, actually, because we're hoping we're going to be
joined by Frank Ritchie for the moment, for the moment,
for the whole blooming hour actually, but we've just seen
a little bit of a bit of a problem connecting
through with there at the moment. By the way, you
can text your feedback anytime on nine to nine two
(03:55):
and let me just think. Tell you what, well, I
think we'll just have it's just you and me for
the time being. I think Luke, isn't that fun? Well,
let's just rip it the bapties. The bat does of
a fire, right, okay?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The first topic of the day something that happened during
the course of the week. And I'm Mike King. So
he was talking to Heather duperic Allen and it was
it was actually around an alcohol license not being granted
or being objected to by the police for a fundraiser,
(04:30):
and he was in that context he talked about alcohol
and how ridiculous it was. But then he said, alcohol
is not a problem for people with mental health issues.
It's actually a solution to our problem until you come
up with a better solution. And all of a sudden,
the council machine has kicked into action. What was your
reaction to the whole story.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, there's two things. First thing is why the police
refusing giving an alcohol license to a charity, I mean
only giving it an alcohol lisse. I know alcohol quite well,
is to run an event that you can sell alcohol
in a well managed way. So I'm surprised that the
police got into that situation for a start.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Because the message was that, well, alcohol is not good,
therefore we shouldn't be drinking it at a suicide prevention fundraiser.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
But they opened up so many other restaurants and bars
if you want the alcohol license, and people of mental
health going to those bars and restaurants anyway, So I
don't know why the police got into that. Secondly, Mike King,
he's a legend. He is a legend for mental health
and Look, he might have seen something that he probably
is remorseful for, but look at the big picture in
New Zealand, it's like the big picture is mental health.
(05:34):
He gets money from the government twenty four million dollars.
None of that money goes towards salaries. It actually goes
towards people.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Paying for counseling sessions, for counseling.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
So hey, look, leave the guy alone. He's a top bloke.
I think we've got bigger battles to fight.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, I think the thing is also I mean I
was it Ingrid Larry from Labour talked about, you know,
the government should review the funding. It's just it just
seems I think we're going barking mad that if somebody
who's at the figure is the figure. Look, he is
the figurehead of Gunboot Friday and I am hope, et cetera.
But the fact that he said something, and I always
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took it when I heard it, I thought, well, he's
talking from his own personal experience and that he used
to you know, lean on alcohol and drug use to
to silence his negative voices.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Et cetera.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But the idea that someone like him says something that's
that needs a bit of correcting from people saying, look,
actually alcohol isn't the answer, which is fair.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Enough correct him.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But the idea that you should be canceling the funding,
to me, it's.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's I don't know what labor.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I think it's barking mad, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
It's so hazy and knee jerk and it's all all
about votes, isn't it. And you know, getting getting media
attention from Labor, but it doesn't deserve the media attention
it got. You can't knee jerk these things. It's the
big picture I see. Is the big picture what Mike
King has done for for jump Boots and mental health.
You know, he's a top bloke and.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
In fact, you know, the other thing is when you
think about I was just reflecting on this, is that
once somebody is up there and they're a public figure,
it sort of feels maybe like they're a bit more
fair gaming. Look, Mike can wear the stuff. I'm sure
he can handle it. But I think sometimes we lose
it's easy to lose perspective on when you look at
what they have created with that organization, and okay, he
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would says, and it is it's a huge team effort.
You have to have people behind, you have to have sponsors,
you have to have people who are passionate about the course.
But the fact that you've managed to well, I don't
know how many years, but there was a time when
there was no I am hope there was no gun
Boot Friday, and through him and his efforts and the
team around him, they've created this thing. I think, I
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don't know. I just sometimes think it's worth stopping and going.
You know, this is flipping amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Oh, it's flipping amazing, And I do you know what.
I hope he had a great day yesterday because you've
got a lot of publicity and.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh yeah, I don't know how much they raised, yes.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And I'd be very interested to see how much that
did raise. And I reckon it'd be up more than
past years because it's the publicy that they've put it
out there. Maybe it was a bit of a you know.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Only one thing the world worse than being talked about
is that not being talked about. Yeah. Actually I spoke
to him on Inzac not Inzacs, sorry, Labor Day breakfast.
I get my holidays muddled up when I when I've
been filling in, And he was saying that While it
was great that they'd got the government funding, he said
it was a double edged sword because in terms of
his he said, we still don't have. It impacted quite
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a lot on his ability to actually fundraise because people think, oh,
you haven't you been funded by the government, and so
they stopped giving and he's like, we need people to
keep giving to this cause. That's right, yeah, worth pointing
that out. Anyway, Hey, look, we're going to take a
quick moment just to regroup and see if we can
actually try and connect with Frank Ritchi, who's going to
be joining us for the panel. This is the Weekend Collective.
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News Talk said b. It's quarter past three.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
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Speaker 2 (09:17):
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Speaker 5 (09:19):
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Speaker 3 (09:23):
Having for Owl and Dudgeons.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Please don't let me losers out to Galvin Mandy Savers. Yes,
News Talk said be. This is the weekend Collective. Welcome,
my guests, my guests, well, my guest is Luke Dala
and my guests will be we're just connecting through to
to Frank Richie in a moment. I think he's just
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getting a system booted up down the line. Anyway, This
is the panel and if you're looking for the rest
of the show. Four o'clock for the one roof radio show,
Helen and Sullivan joins us to talk about mortgage stress
and the parents squad. How do you deal with your
you know, your your tween or your teenager when they're
starting to have body image issues? How do you help
them never a gate some of the anxieties that crop
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up as they sort of well as they grow up. Basically, right,
let's let's carry on with the with the panel until
we can connect through with Frank. Actually he's here right now.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Shall we say hello to Frank? Is he there?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
There we go?
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yeah, I am here, mate. I'm so sorry my camera's
not working. It's been a bit of a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
No worries. Actually, I had a when I was going
to introduce you. I was going to say, my next
friend is tight with the Lord, and then we were
going to play this particular clip to announce your arrival.
And really it's now announcing my relief that you're here.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
All right, what are we playing?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It was just the hallelujah? Yeah, there we go? Oh goody. Well,
we'll start with you and you can say a load
of Luke too. By the way, Frank Luke, Luke, this
is Frank Frank.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Here you going, buddy. How's your watch? Oh?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Look, yeah, I'm going to take it on the chain.
It's totally my bead. I didn't look at my calendar
and I got completely caught out. But thankfully Tire.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Their producer, did a very good job of getting me on.
It's good to meet you, Luke.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Now hey, so let's get into it. Nazis. The PM
wants the once the Nazi Salute band, and this is
based on the mongrel mibe who says ze Kyle and
sort of make fascist sort of gestures, which seems to
me to be a little bit weird given they don't
quite fit the image of what a I don't know
(11:31):
where to go with this one, but anyway, it just
seems it's always seemed totally anachronistic and ridiculous, but it
does Seemour's not so keen on banning it, and of
course we get the gang patch insignia banning laws. Where
are you with this side of things, Frank, on the
free speech and all that, and Zekil being banned and
all that, What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I mean I can understand why David Seymour was going
where he is. There's a libertarian obviously, you want to
let people do whatever it is that they want to do.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
I know that in the White Cutter.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Interestingly, in the White Cutter the Mongrel Mob Kingdom banned
it while ago, so they are people in the White
cuts or don't use it, but it's used in many
other parts.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Of the country.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And of course it harks back to the mongrel mob
just trying to be the most rebellious that they possibly can,
the most offensive that they possibly can. So take the
most offensive thing that you can at the time when
they were formed and throw that out there. So that
was the swastika, that was the seguile. In terms of
banning it, it probably just plays into who they are.
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I mean, it's not like they're trying to follow the law,
so it's just banning it just increase the desire.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
To do it, I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, I was really sort of fifty to fifty about
it because I'm generally pro prespection. I think in the
end falled out. I fall on the side of if
people don't want to reveal themselves as either bigoted, fascist
or just downright stupid. I tend to think, let them
do it. Luke, what do you think that's interesting? Because
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the moder mob definitely not blue eyed and blonde.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
He are they?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
But I'm no fan of the Nazi Saluta, and I
just clarified that for it, not much of I'm not
much of a fan of that. So but I just
let the clueless stay clueless. And we can't exactly slap
and no stupidity sign on every corner, but that's her eyes.
I'm pretty just let them do what they want to
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do and just let them be idiots.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I think the thing that confused me, where I can
confuse myself is that if there was a white supremacist
movement in New Zealand. Let's say we had our own
homegoing Nazis and they were holding a rally, wandering down
Queen Street, marching and shouting zig high with swastiks and stuff.
I wouldn't be so keen on that freedom of speech
because I tend that would probably because it would be
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an instrument of intimidation, which would be a reason you
could stop it. But you know what I mean with
the mangral mob, it's like us just among them being dickheads.
But if we took it to its full extent, I
don't think we would want that, would we frame.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, yeah, And again this argument goes both ways, because
you're right, it's not like we would want everybody just
doing whatever they want out in the open and even
protesting and whatever the way that they that they wanted.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So I hear you.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
If there were people walking down the street who were
truly Nazis throwing that stuff around, you'd want the you'd
want the police to crack down on that.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I would.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I would imagine it's just the when we get into
those older gangs here in New Zealand, everything is so
much more complex because when we think about how they
started and why they were pushing against society as they
were at the time, you kind of see where it
comes from. So it's more complex than just a bunch
of people doing something that we find offensive.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Luke, I'd actually prefer with the Mong. The world goes
from how how hell you know as they do. But look,
I really look at them. When I look at and
I drive by and their door, there bit some pieces
I just turned blind eye. Let them be a minority
of New Zealand And look, we can't ban everything. People
have got a freedom of speech, but they look pretty silly,
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you know.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, anyway, look at a tree topically freedom of speech then,
because you know it's the you've got to fight for
people's right to say things we don't want to hear,
and so much in a way. But anyway, look, let's
move on now. This is completely slightly different, completely different
topic here builders being able to self certify low risk
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work under a new scheme that's been planned by the government.
So it's basically that builders who have a sort of
track record of building lots of the same sort of
structures will be able to actually self certify. It's an
opt in certification scheme. It's sort of for trusted building professionals.
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There's obviously for you the opposition, Luke, you don't like
this because you think we're going to see leaky homes again.
But is this a pragmatic solution to simply getting construction
going as we desperately need it to do.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
I think it's a fantastic solution. I think the builders
should be self certified and then they should be doing
like a ten hours verifiable sort of training every year
to keep up with the law and so forth, and
keep you right on top of it. It just gets
rid of the red tape, just gets rid of the
council sort of level, and then you actually can get
to progress and building, et cetera, and get a build
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up quickly and get onto the next build. Our biggest
thing in New Zealand is red tape and I dislike it,
and I think this is a great idea. Let's move
forward on.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
What about what about for dodgy built? I mean, I
guess it's it's for people who with an established track record.
Do you worry that it'll have the potential for shoddy
workmanship to be swept under the carpet and then the
builders have gone and there's no sort of recourse to
the to the bars. What are you a good point there?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
That's good point. I mean one scain. I think they
should be they should be locked in for ten years
and there WI should be guaranteed for ten years and
then also have insurances around it, Like maybe if I'm
building something or to build, I'm gonna have an insurance
around it. And this is what I'm going to assure myself.
To be a good master can't be given out. Willy
nilly though. It's got to be given to people who
are certified, who have gone through the training, and look
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how much experience you've had.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, I mean, frank, I cheekily want to sort of say,
when Jesus was a carpenter, you trust him to self certify,
wouldn't you? That is a bit that is a bit
mischievous of me, But actually it's not a bad point,
do you what do you?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Well?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I don't know if it's a good point, but it's
a bit of fun. What do you think I would
I would.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Trust Jesus to certify himself, bad.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Jesus.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
I feel like I must be completely missing something here,
because of course we all went through the nineties and
the leaky home thing. I look, it might start out okay,
there might be some trusty builders who will do a
good job on this, but at the end of the day,
if someone starts to cut corners and they're tacking their
own boxes, and then you only find out a number
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of years later when your home starts having some real
issues and then you're in the crap, you're in the
firing line.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Insurance will find ways to not pay out.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I feel like I must be missing some thing for
this to sound.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
The Leaky Homes was actually a totally different thing with Placi.
Now we've got better, we know that our learnings from
the Leaky Homes, but it was a different build set.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I think the thing is is that it's not just
any builder. It won't be just high. I'm a builder,
I've got I'm a master builder, therefore I can self certify.
I think it's builders and companies with a track record
of building particular styles of dwellings, so like, for instance,
I imagine it would be like Fletchers when they're building
an a thing like Stonefields, then they would be self
certifying because their buildings thinks to the same standard consistently.
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I wouldn't be in favor of it being just any
old builder going yeah, I'm self certifying. I would hope
that's not it, and that's my guess that it isn't. Frank,
does that help you, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
It helps me a little. I guess the proof will
be in the pudding. I haven't dove into the details,
and i'd want to see the.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Details fair enough, fair enough. Now the US election, gosh,
I'm I'm sort of desperate for it to be over,
and maybe I'm not desperate to be over depending on
the result. But have you been following up Frank closely?
Are you? Are you going to be glued to the
television because it's coming up this week I think around
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Wednesday early morning, Thursday morning sort of thing. It's over
a latter half of next week. What do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be glued to it because it's like
train wreck TV, and I'll I'll be glad that it'll
finally be over. But then the worry is that it's
going to be really close and it won't be over.
That'll be weeks and weeks, maybe even months of legal
battles as they try to work it out. But my goodness,
it can't come soon enough.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Luke, I find it fascinating. I really like American politics.
It's like a new soap and so forth. But it's
going to be a big week in elections, and I feel,
I feel Trump He's going to come in and he's
going to come back. He's definitely a character and no
doubt about that. And I really like his TV presence
as like the other day with his garbage jacket on.
But hey, Harris is tripping up with you know, and
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she's tiing up the Biden sort of talk and so forth.
And it's funny, I've met Donald Trump, have you back
in ninety seven?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Was that pre pre your post there?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
But when was the Apprentice?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
That was pre Oh wow?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah? And it's actually not a bad bloke face to face.
And I don't know, but I paid a different picture.
I don't I'm not going to back them or I'm
not going to back just but he's actually not a
bad bloke. And that's coming from me shaking his hand.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Okay, I shock his hand.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Therefore he's okay, Frank, Okay, where you go.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Oh look, it's choosing the lesser of two evils, isn't it.
And for me, if I if I had to vote,
it would come down to who do I think would
do the least long term damage the soul of the
United States. And so you're gonna, I think either way,
you're gonna have to put up with some stuff that's
like swallowing.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
A dead rat.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
But I would probably go down the Harris track for
that reason. I think the continued deepening of division in
the United States is horrid, and I think Trump drives
that harder than she does. Both sides are guilty of it,
but I think he drives it harder than she does.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, I think I would almost pick up a fault.
There's a little bit of a false equivalence going on.
I think that you know that one side's bad, but
the other side's just as bad. I mean, and his presidency,
Donald Trump lied about thirty thousand times the fact checkers,
And so if Harris gets caught saying something that's wrong that,
you know that there'll be apoplexy about it. And it's
almost like Trump can just keep on just saying stuff
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that's just plain crazy, and yet he gets a free
pass for it because we just, you know what, we're
sort of we're sort of punched drunk from it, aren't we.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's so socious when he says it, and it's quite
believable in the way, and when Harris is just wavery
and a bit flip feather around the sort of her comments.
But hey, look, I reck I'm going to see Trump
and Power next week, you reckon? Yeah, that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Okay, what do you The early turnout is pretty big, Frank,
Do you think that tells any sort of story in
terms of which what might go? Nah?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
No, I think it's completely unpredictable at the moment when
you look at the swing states, it could go. It
could go in either direction. I hate the fact that
it seems very hard to call.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I imagine they'll be keeping trying to keep Biden out
of the picture. That comment where he referred to where
he's referring to the comedian, I think, but he looked
like he'd gropped all of Trump's supporters in them, describing
them as garbage. I did see a transcript of it
where he was talking about the only garbage icee floating
out there is his supporter apostrophe s, which means one person.
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And wouldn't it be amazing if the whole course of
the election was decided by an apostrophe Frank And by
the way, I have to credit my caller Dallas for
making that point, because he'll be listening going, you're ripping me.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Off, but doesn't doesn't Doesn't that show something though? I think,
and again it's not necessarily false equivalents, but there's the
sense that one side likes the bit of a dog
fight while the other side aims to look virtuous. But
you get behind the scene of politics and everybody's talking down.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Those who are different from them.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I would love to see. And I think something died
with John McCain when John McCain passed away. I think
something in the soul of American politics died where there
was a mutual respect from some for those who are
on the other side. The way that you get stuff
done is in the middle, but we keep driving further
and further apart. So to see Biden make a comment
like that just takes away some of the venier of
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what's on the other side as well.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, it's worth remembering that Trump did call McCain a
loser for being for being caught and actually being captured.
But anyway, there we go.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Who has a Trump called a loser?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Uh? You apparently when you met him. Anyway, Actually, on
the whole thing of American politics, I was quite amazed
that at the reaction to the Washington Post, so they
were going to make an endorsement. The newspapers over there
often make endorsements of presidential candidates, and I find myself
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agreeing with Bezos who owns the Washington Past, and he said, no, no,
you're not making an endorsement. And they have lost as
a result of their non endorsement are reported two hundred
and fifty thousand subscribers.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
But Frank, I can't.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
It just seems to me for journalistic institutions who would
pride themselves on unbiased reporting, that they think it's okay
to endorse a presidential candidate. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah, isn't it astounding a And he mentioned that they
were going back to the DNA, the soul of who
they were back in the day where they wouldn't make endorsements.
And if you live here in New Zealand, of course
everybody has their opinion about our various media outlets and
which way they swing politically, but to come out and
to endorse is something that's anathema to how we believe
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and understand media should work. So to see two hundred
and fifty thousand people walk away from their subscription for
a media outlet because they decided to not endorse, just
that's mind blowing. You think people would be chairing, But
obviously many of them probably have a side that is
sympathetic to whoever the Washington Post has endorsed in the past.
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They want to see that again. The fact that it
hasn't happened has made them angry.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
It's not often you find yourself necessary agreeing with someone
who's a multi billionaire like Jeff Bezos. But I thought
he nailed it with his comments. He talked about the
increasing distrust of media outlets and people are relying more
on social media and the rumors and the misinformation that's
on there, and he just said, look, I just don't
think this is the last thing. Effectively, I'm paraphrasing him,
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this is the last thing we should be doing.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Luke, that's a great word you use there, Frank. Was
it anataca anathema?
Speaker 4 (25:42):
And it is the opposite, the opposite of but it
sounds a bit more dramatic.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Oh, it's very dramatic. Hey, I just don't think newspapers
are endorsed, you know, that endorse any sort of political
swing at all. And I'm right behind him, and let's
lose those subscribers to me.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah. Actually, by the way, if you're going if you
don't have a look at if you google Jeff Bezos
or the endorsement or something, the stories that come up
and you watch other news news outlets attacking Jeff Bezos
for this, it just shows you that in America, there
obviously is a different sort of spirit of the times
in terms of what is and isn't acceptable. It's quite amazing.
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But of course here imagine imagine the New Zealand Herald
endorsing a particular political candidate or television one news, you know, indeed, surprise, surprise. Anyways, Okay,
we'll be back in just a moment. It's so twenty
four minutes two four News Talks.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
By Welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I'm Tim Beveridge. My guests are the Reverend Frank Ritchie,
host of Sunday six, and Luke Dallow's on the show
for the first time No Stranger Radio. But now, guys,
this is this is a weird one. This whole Russia
finds Google more than the world's GDP, so judges in Moscow.
They're seeking twenty decillion dollars from the technology giant. I
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think that's a twenty followed by thirty three zeros. And
I just look at this and think it just plays
into the idea, how can you take Russia seriously with
just the sort of nonsense. What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Luke? I think, what's the point to me? It's just
a hull heap of thirty two or thirty four zeros,
and I really don't understand what the point is, and
I just think once again they're just making it up
and pootin and so forth.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It does make Russia look to me like less of
a serious country, even though they are very serious that
it look nuclear arms and they're invading Ukraine and everything. Frank,
what did you make of it?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I think it's obviously just a bit of an attempt
at a power move. I don't think it actually plays
out like a power move because it just looks ridiculous,
but an attempt at a power move to take a
hit at one of the biggest companies, Western companies, American
companies on the Internet. I can't see it being anything
more than that.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
By the way, the thing I like about it is
I like to know how on Earth they got to
that number. But what it was was Google's find a
daily penalty of one hundred thousand rubles, and they were
warned that the amount would double every twenty four hours
if it went unpaid. And I guess, well, you know,
they could have started at one ruble and doubled it.
They'd still be owing a fair wack wouldn't they.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Look maybe just do a nearly se element of a million.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, that's just to me. I just thought, what a
bizarre story. Anyway, onto other things. Now we got the
All Blacks versus England later on, I think in the
next twenty four hours, and there's been a bit of
I'm not going to say controversy around the Harker, but
you know the England prop Joe Mahler said, it's basically
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called for it sort of be banned. He said it
needs binning, and it has stood up a bit of
a remark. I don't get offended by these sorts of things,
but it did remind me that I'm to be honest.
I'll be honest with you. I'm less and less interested
in the Harker as I used to be. Used to
be listening to the anthems. Maybe listen to the anthems,
but glue yourself to the TV set. But now I
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find I sometimes go and make a cup of tea
at that stage. Frank, are you a Harker fan?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I still get goosebumps every single time I see it,
and people like Marla need it to happen otherwise they
have nothing else to talk about if you want to,
if you want the opportunity to take a hit at
New Zealanders, add some drama to the game, wind things up.
If the hacker wasn't there, he'd be a bit berefed.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
The thing is it has some of the comments that
have been made in terms of the discussion is it overdone?
Do we have too much of it? Luke? What do
you think?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I'm a big fan of the hacker with the All Blacks,
and I'm gonna get myself in trouble here. I'm gonna
get myself big trouble here for male sports because the
harker is a war dance before you go to war.
And when I see some female sports teams do the hacker,
I find it a little bit devaluing to the hacker
off the All Blacks or the Kiwis. I'm i the hack.
(30:05):
It does gives me goosebumps, but I think it should
be limited as a very special It was already around
the All Blacks and that's where it started, and hey,
look at this part of New Zealand culture. Yes, I
do agree with that, but it's a bit watered down
at the moment and everyone seems to be doing.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It I tell you, the thing that would probably help
me with my enthusiasm for it is the throat slitting gesture.
I think is actually it's disgusting to me. It's unnecessary.
I don't know why it's got crept in there. Remember
when they had the throat slitting gesture and then the
guy who designed the hark I said, Oh, it's just
(30:42):
the drawing of the breath into the lungs.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
But now it's explicit.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
They draw their thumbs across the throat in a throat
slitting gesture. And if you're telling me it's anything other
than that, then I think we're being gaslet. I want
to see that gone and then maybe I'll start showing
a bit more interest in it, because to me, it's
unnecessarily savage.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I mean, if the munglemod did that to you, how
would you feel? Well?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, I mean do you think that's a fair point, Frank,
or do you like? You into the whole shebang?
Speaker 6 (31:06):
I like the whole shebank, you like the threats someting
but as well?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
But what what what helps me with this whole thing
is I jumped on. I think it was the telegraph
that I think it was the telegraph that first published,
Marla making the comments, and you jump into the comments
and there's all these Brets having a go at out,
all these Brits calling it uncivilized. Now, when it comes
to the British track record in New Zealand, I think
(31:32):
if there's any nation that needs to shut up about
the Haka, it's the Brits.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Okay. The colonization, it's almost like one of those discussions.
The longer it goes before you know, somebody's going to
mention colonization. It used to be that was the rule
around what was it. There's a rule about in the
longer social media discussion goes, the higher the chance of
someone mentions the Nazis. I can't remember the name of
that law. But and now we're getting there with the
colonization thing. By the way, are you are you going
(32:00):
to be watching sort of live or do you get
up for Frank and watch it to delayed?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
This is where I start to sound like a real slacker.
I don't have sky, so it would have been delayed.
But now I get in bed relatively early as I've
been getting older, so I can't be bothered saying it later.
So I checked, I checked the Herald the following morning.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
You check.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I see you don't hang on a minute. You're all
into the Harker. I'd be thought you'd be you'd be
recording it or finding access so you could like, I
want to watch the Harker and then I guess I'll
watch the game after it.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Are You're kind?
Speaker 4 (32:28):
But this is this is why, this is why I'm
so into The Hacker, because I don't actually watch it
all the time.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
What about you, Luke, I'll be up there watching it,
absolutely yeah, I'll It's four o'clock in the morning. I've
been watching. I love the beating, the English threat of
the English.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I think probably my favorite. One of my favorite sports
fixtures is actually the Northern Hemisphere too, when they're all
black sky overseas, I don't know, it's just twicking them.
What are we playing France as well in Ireland? I mean,
I'll tell you what. Those are three tough matches. What
do you what do you rate our chances? Do you
think we're going to do all three?
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I think we're gonna have a three peet do the
whole lot.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yep, it's good on you. What about you, Frank?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Oh no, I'm quite worried.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I mean, there's signs of got Robertson pulling this team
into some sort of future, but I don't think they're
they're there yet. I think this is going to be
a massively hard run.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, interesting to see that. We'll be having a chat
when the Sports Rat with Nathan Limb about this. But
that Bowden Barrett's sort of back in the ten jersey.
I think the Damien Mackenzie is well, he's given him
a few goes in it, but it hasn't quite jeled,
has it.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Luke, No, he is a jild at all. And I
think he's a better fallback than a ten, and he's
a bit risky as a ten to me.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, Okay, look, we're going to take a moment. We'll
be back and just to tick. This is the weekend
Collective the Panel. My guests are Frank Ritchie and Luke Dallo.
It is fourteen minutes to four new Stalks. He'd been
limit gonna go to the Blessed.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
When downstime, Go ahead, out.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Sparence and welcome back. This is the weekend Collective of
the Panel. I'm Tim Beverage. My guests are Frank Ritchie
and Luke Deller. So now that guys, there's been a
call from a road or a holiday park manager who
wants the count sort of clamp down on freedom camping rules,
saying that the users users, well, they're not using anything.
The non users, I guess of for local accommodation, they're
(34:19):
freedom camping do not support local business. What do you reckon, Luke?
Because I won't say what I think, I'll let you
say and then I'll climbing later on.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I think freedom camping is fantastic and when I did
it all around Europe, I've done it around Australia, I've
done it up and down New Zealand. Actually you're my
own camp event, and I think it's absolutely it's a
good way. It's quite a risk. It's risk you sort
of way in a bit of a venture. When you
pull up on the side, you don't know what's going
to happen during the night. It's I think it's quite good,
you know.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I like the danger.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I like the danger side of things knocked you the night, Hey,
you know someone's broken down the car. You're there freedom
camp happening helping out. Hey. They do support because they
don't not putting their money in the keepground. They support
local bars and restaurants, and I know that personally, and
they do spend money within the community.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Frank, what do you reckon?
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Yeah, I'm supportive of freedom camping.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
I'm supportive of people being able to make their way
around as long as they're being respectful of the place
that they're in, which means that maybe there are some
freedom camping areas that need to be policed a little
more to make sure people aren't leaving a mess. But
the idea of freedom camping, the idea of people making
their way around the country and pitching tents when they're
where they're allowed to as well. I just think it's
(35:31):
a great way to move around. It feels like a
very key wee way to move around. But this person
runs a holiday park and obviously feels like she's missing
out on some business. And it's a tough time for
businesses at the moment. So if you are listening at
the moment your freedom camping anywhere around the country, do
go out and support local businesses who are doing it tough.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Actually, have you have a freedom camped Frank?
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I No, not in a camp, Evan, But I've done
tenting in a few places which I quite enjoy.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, look what were you doing it on when you
did the freedom camp.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I've done it in a comedy van around Europe for
six weeks and that was fantastic. You just pulling this off.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
That's the perf. That is the quintessential hippie sort of camp.
Freedom camping vehicle, isn't.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
It totally totally two people sleeping inside two of us
outside a mid of a corn bush.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Lady Gray, No, you're okay, Sam Bloody don't right?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I wonder, Frank, are we a bit hypocritical as well?
When we have these discussions. I mean we often get
discussions and okay, this one's about freedom camping, and I
think people have in their minds overseas freedom campers coming
here and just not really spending their money. But on
the other side of the corn coin New Zealanders, we
would hate to think that we couldn't go around Europe
(36:46):
unless we stated paid sort of accommodation. We like to
think we can move a bit freely ourselves a wee
bit hypocritical on the stuff, do you think?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I think if we're jumping up and down about it
and not even overseas, I think there are many key
wees who like to make their way around our country.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
And camper vans and to be able to do it
as well.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
I mean you think back through that the covid era
and how many people got out when we didn't have
a lot of tourists around the country made their way
around the country. And if you want to do that
and you've got a family and you're on a tight budget,
you don't necessarily want to have to pay the big
fees that some of these holiday parks charge. So the
ability to respectfully work your way around the country and
have sites with that you can stay in, look after
(37:25):
your family, look after yourself, I think are wonderful.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I always think sorry where you go.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I don't think there's a budget thing for me. I
think it's more just being a Kiwi and enjoying the
country that we live in, and I think that's the
big thing. I mean, look, I can afford a campground,
but I rather sleep on the side of the road.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Really, you just pull up on the side of the
road and that's just on a main road, or do
you pull off the side somewhere or.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
That little country road and oh little country because you
want to know piece of quiet don't want to live
next daway.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I think these things always get a bit of they
get a bit of buy on from the media in
a way, because we can all imagine the worst type
of freedom campers. You know that we've seen people doing
their business and the bushes and all that sort of mess.
But if people are going to basically be respectful of
our country, then I reckon just get around and knock yourself.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Out and enjoy yourself.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Auckland Marathon this weekend, which I'll have mixed feelings about,
only because it'll take me about twice as long to
get to work. Ever run a marathon, Frank.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
No, I'm only just getting back to the point where
there's a little bit of jogging in my long walks.
The idea of doing a marathon would kill me. I'm
really proud when I can get to the point where
I can do five k. Back in the day, about
five years ago, I was doing ten k fairly regularly,
but the idea of doing more than that far out
ten k's hard work imagined going further.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
What about you, Luke, Yes, I've done the traverse twice
now with the run to the city, it's fantastic. Starts
with a Smales farm, go with the Harbor Bridge. So
you've done a marathon, I've walked it. I've walked it. Yeah,
I've walked it.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Well, that's no mean feat walking running whatever, it's twenty
six miles, it's actually it's just a cashual.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
It's a good walk.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
You know, how long does it take you tostrill a marathon?
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Well, like I like go behind like the cyclist, you know,
I go behind and break the wind and so forth,
and it's makes it easier.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, you might need to find a different way of
expressing that. I mean, you're yes, you know what I mean.
I don't know it sounded like you. But I tipped
my head to one parting around the twenty six miles
of the Augland marathon.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
But I tipped my head to one guy, Garth barth At.
He's become the oldest competitors in New York City's running marathon.
He's in his eighties. Yeah, he's a great man.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Actually, just on that. We've only got about a minute
to go. I don't know if you guys would have
seen the story. We didn't slate it for conversation, but
I see that arch Jelly who is John Walker's coach
was given an award. I think he lifetime membership of
Athletics New Zealand or something at the age of one
hundred and two. Did you guys, either of you guys
see that story. No, well, because arch Jelly one hundred
(39:54):
and two years old. I mean this sounds comic to say,
but he didn't look a day over eighty. But he
looked amazing at that age at one hundred and two.
You didn't see to either, Frank, No, no, but well deserved.
And look, when it comes to marathons, if you're going
to do a marathon in New Zealand, the scenery around
Auckland is stunning, go for it. Yeah, have you it's
(40:15):
not on your to do list, then not on the
bucket list.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Neither be to sit on the side, eat, twist these,
drink of beer and letch everybody else go past.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And if you look, Luke Dally, you're breaking window behind
the cyclist. Well find well we'll work out a way
to say that after we've gone off. Anyway, Hey, Luke,
thanks for coming, and Mate really appreciate the time. And
Frank good good to catch up with you all. Af
Ford to next time a pleasure, gentlemen, Thank you excellent.
We'll be back with the one roof radio show. Helena
Sullivan joins us. This is News Talk Said B.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
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