November 15, 2024 • 40 mins
Today on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Mark Crysell and Shane Te Pou to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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I had a very warm welcome to the show. This
is the Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beverage on this day, Saturday,
the sixteenth of November. I love a little bit of
Billy Joel And I've thought of the song quite a
bit because Allentown did feature in the USA election talk
as being a sort of one of the pivotal sort
of election sort of locations for swing states. I don't know,
but what's not a state? Of course it was in
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a swing state, I believe. And anyway, every time I
hear Allentown, all I think of is Billy Joel. Anyway,
I love a bit at Billy Joel. Don't we welcome
to the show. In just a moment, I'll be introducing
my panelists, my esteemed panelists. It's probably the nicest thing
I'll say about them. Uh, don't talk yet, boys, right anyway,
Just looking for a little further ahead from four o'clock.
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That's one of the things we're going to be chatting about,
I think one of my panelists when I hang around
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for the Parents Squad. But anyway, that's coming up in
the Parent Squad at five o'clock. Right now, it's eight
minutes past three and time to introduce our panelists there. Look,
they're a couple of silver foxes. Really, one perhaps a
little more silver than the other one. Actually, perhaps one's platinum. Actually,
there we go. Anyway, My first one, Look, he's a
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political commentator. Great guy. I loved his column a wrote
last week about the US election. And his name is
Shane to pog and Shane, how you going well?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Just got back from the States and visited Alentel. Yes, yes,
and how was it? It was a sad place. This
is a city that a smallest city that used to
employ one hundred thousand people in the steel more industry.
I spoke to people that used to work in that
industry and in the last ten thing years I've been
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working in the service industry. You don't getting jobs part
time jobs as waiter, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
And they felt portrayed by their own and their own
with the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, it was a great colony. Wrote and the herold
on Sunday, I think a week ago. I really enjoyed it.
So you go check it out. Shane to pose the
writing in the New zeal Herald. And my second panelist,
he's he is definitely a silver fox as well. He's
the Doyen of storytellers as a journalist, He's he's was
a storyteller for tv TV n Z for a long time.
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On the Sunday Show, he's an all around good Guyn's
Mark Kreisel.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Yeah, Hi, hello everybody. There may be snow on the roof,
but there's a fire down below.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Looks like it's a dating show and our first candidate today.
Give him a call.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
There's a twinkle in the host's eyes. New Zealand my
only human.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Anyway. Hey, good to have you guys on the show.
What have you been up to make?
Speaker 6 (04:04):
I mean, give yourself. I've actually I've just come back
from some More. Yeah, I've had a week over there,
no no on on holiday and just it's the best country.
I love some Moore. It's the second time I've been there.
It's not touristy, the people are great, the weather was hot. Yeah,
just wonderful experience. Yeah, highly, highly, highly recommend it. I
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think I found the best beach I've ever seen anywhere
in the space.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
What was great about it some More the beach.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
It was empty, it was beautiful, it was clean, it
was it was on the on the Lolomannu coast, which
which was the one hit by the tsunami in two
thousand and nine. And you know, I think they were
going to build a massive hotel complex there.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
But the you know, is it just is there something
about what makes the perfect beach? Is it just the
facts that you have it to yourself? We have it
to yourself.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
They have those those wonderful fallets in some More, which
is such a wonderful idea. You just sit under them
and the breeze blows over.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
After a swim.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
We had a beautiful clean water, coral suba diet.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
It's fantastic. I met just at the start of the panel.
Of course, we're going to we're going to set the
example that we haven't seen necessarily in Parliament of we're
going to carry out whatever difference is opinion we have.
It's going to be civilized, similized, civilized discussion, isn't it boys, Yes,
always he's hosting this show back of Big Boy. Anyway, Hey,
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look at the hekoy and the scenes in Parliament the
other day. Uh, actually, I don't think it needs much
more of an introduction dramatic scenes. It was a harker
when people are getting in David Seymour's face. There was
some good speeches. There's a lot of talk around the
Treaty's Principals Bill and whether it's going to create the vision.
Willie Jackson got thrown out for calling David Semur a liar.
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Hannah mip Clark got named and she's going to have
a day pavedt for a couple of days. Lockwood Smith
talked about the decline and standards in parliament. Shane kick
it off, baby.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I thought it was. I thought it was a beautiful
act of rebellion and a very Maori chikana but also
New Zealand way. You know, the vote wasn't disrupted, the
vote had been put, the debate had ended and to
party Marii and the Greens and Labor finished it off
with the beautiful Hoker and they did challenge the government.
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I see nothing wrong with that. This is a fundamental
argument about partnership that David Seymour says does not exist
an aldil on in New Zealand, and that's a ethos
and a way of thinking that being around for one
hundred and eighty years, and yeah, I think challenging it
is the right thing to do.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Mark, what do you reckon.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
I tend to agree with Shane. Actually this is very
boring radio. I agree with each other. But I think
that's protest. If you feel something, I think it should
be okay to show it. I mean, I find it
totally bizarre that David Seymour becomes a victim in this
when he's created this mess. So when when when people
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who perpetrate these sorts of things now feel like they're
a victim. I just find that kind of pathetic in
a way.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
And these are this has he been claiming victims status.
They were mean to him and that if they behave
like that, and he's he's trying to take a high
road there.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
But I saw nothing wrong with it. I mean, I
think maybe the New Zealand Parliament needs to grow up
a little bit and understand that that is a strong
part of culture in this country and that it's okay
to show that no one was threatened. It was a harker.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
It was I it was a little bit in the face,
to be honest. I mean, you want to stay in
you see, yeah, But I mean, look, I think there's
also there's the rules for parliament. I do take a
different point of view. I think there's a time and
a place for this stuff. But if you start creating
a precedent that if somebody gets upset enough, they're going
to come and perform a harker in your face, I'm
not sure I was with that. I think all the time, no, no, no,
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But it's happened now, and so what will it happen again?
I thought that the rhetoric from raw Ytt about KKK
and stuff, I thought it was just absurd. But here's
the thing, here's the thing. I why can't we have
rational discussion about this stuff? Why does it have why
does it have to be I mean, I don't mind
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you say, you say what you want in a in
a debate and make speeches, and I thought there were
some good speeches across the board, but it's it's ramping
it up where we have picked people being called liars,
and and the scenes that we saw in parliament. I mean,
raw Hytt he's there in a pair of sneakers. I mean,
that's not the big crime of the day. But it
just feels like the place is I do think.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Well, the place is representative of New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Is that what you were going to say? No, well, no,
that's what New Zealand looks like. Well, no, I think
this is what what do our leaders look like? What
sort of how do we how can we have discussions
without people treating it like it's an existential threat? You
know what? This is being made bigger by the opposition
to it because people really wanted it. If don't like it,
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then you know what, make your speeches? Have you select committee,
then it gets voted down and we move on.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I'd like I'd like to have a proper cord it all.
This bill does not allow that. Actually, this bill is
an existential threat to to to treaty that Watson All
has served this nation pretty well for the last one
hundred and eighty years. And put it simply, we have
a contract between Hapoo and the crown. And if you
want to change that construct, whether it be Happoo or
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the Crown, or would be Timbrebridge and Sidby in his
employment contract, you've got to talk to the fundamental components
of that, and that bill doesn't allow for that. I
want constitutional debate, I want constitutional reform. This bill doesn't
facilitate that at all.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, David Simo say it does because they will go
select Select Committee and people can put their arguments forward
and as to have if I going to, if I'm
going to decide that this spell is wrong, I want to.
I want it to be argued substantively rather than our
feelings are hurt.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
But it's not even going to be done that way,
is it. The Prime Minister said, they're the Prime Minister
who I think has played a very bad role in
all of this. He hasn't, He hasn't shown any real
leadership on the on this and it's not substantive debate.
It's only going to go to the reading and then
he's already said that he's going to vote it down
if he if he was committed to it, why wouldn't
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he see the process We will? This is about a
political chip shop.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
We will see a change, exchange of ideas and the
Select Committee though, won't we?
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Yeah? I just wish it hadn't gone ahead at all.
I mean I took on board what Chris Chris Finlasson
said this week. Who has you know it was a
long time treaty negotiator that we have been making steady
progress to a bicultural country and slowly and both sides
culty cultural Please no, no.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
We're by cultural.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
We're by culture multi cultural, we're by cultural we are yeah,
and so you know, and we were making progress towards
that and this is just setting it all back. And
it's not just this bill, it's it's the other stuff.
It's taking today o out of government names. And for
a lot of Mary who who And I'm sorry, I'm
Parker speaking on behalf of Mary, but for a lot
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of Mari that I speak to feel like they're under attack,
that they were starting to get parts of their culture back.
It's not this, it's something else. And there's something else,
and you know, we had it waiting at the beginning
of the year. This is just going to go go
on and on and on. This is no way for
a government to build a country.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
What disturbs me is that Seymour says that Mary have
an advantage because of the treaty. You know, Mlori men
die ten years younger and now parkr counterparts where jailed
four times and even for the same types of crime
our There are huge in equities that exist and the
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treaty isn't one And can I tell you where? Can't
set up this window, but I think we can see
it out the other window. The Mona authority. When the
when Naji Fat got their moa back, what was the
first thing they did? Tim They said, here, Tommy Makoto,
this is for us all to share. The Whitecotta River deal.
What was the first thing that tiny we did? They said, hey,
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this waterway is for us all to enjoy. And what
happens when we're in the shit and we run out
of water? Here Whitecottle River. That's another prime example where
these things work beautifully.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yes, I think the thing is if we talk about disadvantage,
then Seymour would say, you target the disadvantage. You don't
just say look, you are Mari, therefore we're going to
treat you differently. The problem was with the principles. The
principles are not in the Treaty of White Tangi. They
have been created by the tribunal, the courts, judges, academics right,
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they're not there. In two thousand and five Winston Peter's
New Zealand. First, wasn't there a treaty of principal Treaty
of Waitangi Principle Deletion Bill which was about not putting
them in. So the argument I would make is that judges,
academics tribunals have had their say. Now this is not
saying I agree with his bill, but there are things
that I do agree with, which funnily enough, I think
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national agree with. But they don't like the bill because
the bill itself is divisive. Right, But so we've had
the judiciary have there say. The other branch of the
government is the legislature. I don't see a problem with
having the discussion within the realms of Parliament about it.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yes, but this bill doesn't do that well at This
bill fundamentally, fundamentally undermines a contract between HPOO and the Crown,
and Mary made it very clear they don't like this bill.
But do we want to sit down? Do we want
to have a quarter all about our constitutional construct? Of
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course we do. We you know, we don't live on
a separate island. You know we're Maori, we're huppu we
ewie wikiwisticipate argument.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I think you're going to win the argument. Look, I
think I think you've got the people we have to
have just continue rational discussions about That's what I mean. So,
for instance, the first clause the government has the power
to make rules. I don't have a problem with that.
And the third one, everyone is equal before the law.
The second one has probably got a bit more argument
to it because it's about the treat rights that exist
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at the time of the treaty, and so that's something
I'm interested in more discussion around. But see here we
have these principles which again are not defined in legislation,
that they're described through the courts and through academia and
judges and laws and all that sort of thing. And
using those principles, Labor set up a separate health system.
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I don't know what principles National followed to quite happen.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Well, it was, but it was all the mighty health.
The mighty Health Authority had five had about three and
a half to five percent of the total health. It
wasn't as if we were going.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Out way, but no, what I mean was it was
it was those principles are you by politicians to do
different things. And I think there's a very strong argument
for saying, well, let's have a discussion about what those
principles mean. Except all I heard in Parliament from from
the vehement side of things was anger and hurt feelings.
That didn't tell me a single thing about the discussion.
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And that's why I think that when it comes to
these things as a country, I think we're very backwards
that we can't have civil discussions and if someone's wrong,
then let's have that, you know what I mean, I
think that's what. I well, that's what.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
But also don't I also don't think that that's just
one side.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I mean, you know, I mean, this is this is
a civilized discussion, yes, once.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
I think both sides are actually throwing dirt at each
other quite successfully. I mean, this is David. This is
the same person who talked about blowing up the ministry
of specific peoples.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You know, so that you know that's a silly remark.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Well, it's just it's more.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Than a silly remark to some people.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
So I mean, I think both both sides are faulty,
and we're getting a lot of heat and no light.
I agree, there's these These are hard discussions to have,
and but those are the sort of discussions you have
to have when you build a nation. And this will
go on and on. We will go so far, then
we'll come back. We'll go so far. But I feel
at the moment this is taking us back. This isn't
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making the walker go any faster, and also.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Can I say, to be honest, I don't accept the
premise of your argument that we can't have civil discussions.
I think by and large we do. We have heated
We have heated moments from time to time in our history.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
This is one of them.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
But by and large we're pretty blended, pretty balanced, pretty
moderate country.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Well, actually that's generally. My point is that I think
what we see in parliament, here's the here's here's an
interesting argument. What we see in parliament I don't think
represents the way that you and I and everything cylinder relates.
But we made the point that they're representative of us.
But I think that they are doing us a disservice.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
If Mark would have been Mark would have been around,
you know, they talk about the standards of parliament. Mark
would have been around the time where a pissed Prime
minister almost on a nightly basis, govern this country to parliament.
I think the standards have improved, and I think no.
I think diversity has diversity means that different, a different
realm of discussion of argument. By and large, up to
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the eighties and nineties, we had one single, monotone voice
in New Zealand Parliament. I think it's changed, and I
think it's changed for the better.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Fix we are and some people don't like that. Yeah,
and that's but that's kind of tough. It's I like
to see New Zealand in there. Also a point Shane
is also I think for some people, particularly Pakia, if
they don't spend time in what I or anything like that,
I feel that maybe it's aggre. You know, Maria quite
aggressive towards each other. When they speak, they speak very
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plainly and and you don't leave without knowing what they mean.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Can I quickly say this one thing? You know, what
happens when we travel the world, whether when when when
New Zealanders Mary identity gives us a sense of belonging
and a sense of the sense and a sense of difference.
And I think if you're going to say to Marty, oh,
you can do it here when the Prime Minister takes
a trade group, but you can't do it after a
headed debate in Parliament, I don't think. I don't think
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that's acceptable at all.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You know, I don't think I.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Can't say, Mary, this is your lane, you've got to
stick into it. The debate had finished, the moat had
been put a heated moment. We will get over it
as a nation.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And we'll move on. Oh yeah, absolutely right. We need
to take a break because we've went far too long
on this. We've got much much more relaxed things to
talk about, like Donald Trump's appointments. It's our twenty five
past three news talks. He'd be.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Long, It's quite all right.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Ah, yes, yeah, this is me. I thought maybe did
you recognize my voice?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
This is I thought it was Sinatra.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
It seeing loves in the air, this is the This
is what I love about a good quality panel. We
can have disagreements and different points of view and it's
just one big group hag in the end, isn't it music?
I love your baby yourself. Hey, by the way, did
you guys go see? Are you cold Play fans or
what not?
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Not such a fan? I love a big concert. I
kind of got a little bit of fomo when I
saw everybody went there and how amazing that concert. Look,
I'm not a fan of their music, but one hundred
and fifty thousand coming, it's got to be good.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I think they've made a central two, haven't they?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
They've made a central two?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I regret it I'm not a big fan of fan
of their music, but apparently they put on a really
good show, great interrection with the crowd, sort of made
it sort of New Zealand centric, you know, and people
had a good time.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I mean I didn't go. I can't get past
the grinch No, no, no no. I'm just not really
a big band concert goer sort of thing. But I
just can't get past that song, you know, will Your Gods.
It's just depressed me and I can't get past that song.
But somebody did say to me. And I'm not a
Taylor Swift fan, but the thing is, what you get
at these concerts is the production values as well and everything.
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It's just so stunning.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
So they don't make money out of records anymore, yeah, CDs,
so that's where they where they have to pull in
the money. And this is this apparently is the biggest,
bigger than Taylor Swift to it the biggest grossing one
in the world.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And is there something about these events that people It's
a new way people congregate and days gone by when
I used to go to church on Sunday, but now
I get the feeling that people like to go to
events together and just feel that they're part of the
big It was always a he call.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
I think so. But the other thing is, I think
people like Coldplay, you too, taylorswortht my Man, Springsteen. They
respect their fans, you know, and you're going to get
three hours of rock and roll. I've been to Beyonce,
I've been to Lady Gaga ninety minutes maybe singing, you know,
two dozen songs, no interaction, all video. But with the
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real bands, man, you get.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Entertainment, and you get value for me Vie, and you
get a shared experience with a whole lot of people.
I remember springsteen Is last concert. It's played Born to
Run at the end, and I turned around. It was
like an a cappella version and I turned around and
I just saw all these people in tears, and that
was that was a special Like the intimacy you feel
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in a massive stadium. It's it's a special thing.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So yeah, we've had a light moment.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Now light the match, baby.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Look, Donald Trump is putting together his cabinet, if that's
the right word for it, and he has had made
strange choices. The first observation I'd make is eight years ago,
I really cared about him being president in a negative way.
And I find that I'm quite sanguine about it. I'm
sort of like, oh, well, you guys do what you
do you but I did. I was there's a couple
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of appointments that look interesting. There possibly the one that
makes me the most nervous as Pete Hegseth, a Fox
News commentator, who's the Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Yeah, And the danger is you want someone in the
Secretary of Defense who is a political but stands above that.
You know, the army and the military they need to
be separate, not being used for political ends. This is
a guy who will do whatever Donald Trump tells him
to do, and that is very worrying. Also, have you
seen the shots of Max throwing.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, it's terrible. He hits somebody. What a clown.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Honestly, Yeah, there are the how about the Attorney General
Matt Gates.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Oh, now that this is a guy who.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Was up on six trafficking charges. You the guy that
accompanied him actually did some time. This is sort of
serious sort of stuff.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
And he asked at the end of Trump's last term,
he asked for a blanket pardon, even though he hadn't
been charged yet. Similar to the one that Richard Nixon got.
He didn't get it, but I mean, this is a
guy taking over the Justice Department.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I think he's the one where there's going to be
potentially the most pushback from the House Republicans as well,
who are quite and.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
It's kind of interesting that they've elected a new leader
the Republicans in the House who and he is not
he is not a Trump so senator a senator. I mean,
he's not a Trump supporter. And that was a secret
ballot and that's kind of interesting that if it was
out in the open, they may have got a different result.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
And here's a thing. It was a it was a
clean win by Trump. He won the presidency, he won
the Senate, he won the House, but the House only
bay about ten or eleven. And here's here's the thing
about American politics.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Nick.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
In two years time, there'll be about there will be
a balance. The Democrats are likely to win the House,
might win the Senate, and so you know, the will
balance will be restored.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's interesting because the House House Ethics Committee there had
been investigating allegations into Matt Gates and because he resigned
as a he's they stop it but now there's this
pressure do they release the report? And I can't see
how you could. I mean, I tend to think if
someone's going to be attorney general, you should probably have
a little bit of transparency. If they've had a report
in to him, then they should probably release it, shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
They of course? And look to talk about appointments. You
ever heard the same never meet your heroes. Well, about
eight nine years ago I met r IF. I spent
three days with them. We got him over to do
a speaking.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Hero of yours at the time.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
But it's bad, but he was very different ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
No, he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
But what an unpleasant person, just on a very personal basis.
And we were down at Swashbuckler's and he took really
badly to a waiter and I we don't do that.
We don't do that any WHOA just a little story
I don't want to share with That's a good way. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Look, I try to avoid demonizing some of the worst
candidates because there is something to be said for RFK
and that he wants Americans to eat more healthily, which
is which is a positive. It's just that when the
share prices of vaccine manufacturers and scientific companies that are
connected with that have plunged because people are worried about
(25:31):
a shrinking of investment and that, and I think, funny
thing is I wonder whether there will be a side
benefit to New Zealand and that a whole lot of
scientists who might be having have been hanging around in Providence,
Rhde Island are going to go, let's shift their operations
to on and know Wellington.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
It's look, I know, I feel like you Tim that
when you got elected. I thought, oh, yeah, actually maybe
I don't care so much. But the more I think
about it, there's a lot of things to worry about.
And I think there's that thing with Trump where you think, oh,
maybe he's not quite as crazy as he sounds. He's
not going to do that. But when you look at
this cabinet and you look at the potential, you know,
(26:07):
like rolling back the environmental stuff, allowing Putin to take Ukraine,
you know, those who are going to have serious ramifications
for the rest of the world.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
And I tell you, I tell you, he will enable
He will enable Ny more than Nina who has ever
been enabled before. And people say, I can't get any worse,
and Ghaza it will get a lot worse. But hey, look,
can I just say, after being to the States for
the last sort of three weeks, I'm very guilty of
demonizing Trump supporters. I'm actually met some really decent folks
(26:39):
that have the same sort of values that I have
about our family. They're worried about their future, they feel disempowered,
they feel left behind from their own from their own party,
the Democrats. And I really enjoyed those court itals.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
As I say, Shane, I thought you were call him
and the Herolin Sunday, I think it was a week ago.
Was absolutely fan. It was a great piece. I thought,
that's an interesting thing here.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
It's the problem with four left wing parties all over
the world is that they grew up being the party
of the working class, and now they're the part party
of the educated elite pretty much, and they don't and
the two don't like each other. You know, the educated
elite think the working class are racist and sexist and
all those kind of things, and so and then they've
been smashed. You talk about Alan Town, Globalization is them.
(27:26):
You know, all those jobs have gone off shore and
they're just left working in malls and things like that.
So where's their base. Now what do they stand for?
Who do they stand for? And the identity There's a
great great slogan by Trump which goes to this identity
politics thing. He said, Kamala Harris stands for they them,
(27:47):
I stand for you.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
That's a good slogan.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
It's a very very good slogan. And that kind of
sums up quite a bit. How like the Democrats and
you know, the labor parties to a certain degree, they
all hive off into these little identities. I stand for this,
I stand for that. But like I think, the great
wads of people just are the power of my life.
Better please and look after my family.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
The power of a good slogan. That is a really
good one I have, and I think it's gone now.
But I did hope that sometimes when someone has a
really good win, that it would lead to a little
bit of magnanimity.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
But I'm not a little about You've got to say that, Biden, Yeah,
Biden and Harris Harris's consistant speech there was magnanimous inviting Trump,
the story and that tradition.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
I think I think they've reached out.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah yeah, oh well, we'll see how it plays out.
And luckily, at a distance right, we'll be back in
just a moment with my panelists. Shown to Poemark Kreisel,
you can have a chat about actually Liam Lawson have
a chat about a little bit about at the f
one and he's made some comments about anthems and McLaren
and all that sort of thing, and we're going to
get into that in just a moment. It's twenty one
minutes to four News talks. He'd be that's cold player,
(29:06):
isn't I thought that was to leverish.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
At the early years.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Welcome back to the here my richer years, Welcome back
to the week and collective shame to pay Mark Cras
on my guests. Now, Liam Lawson, boy, I've only just
started watching Drive to Survived unfortunately watched the most recent one.
But the reason we're mentioning this is that it's been
in the news that he's had a crack at McLaren
who played the UK anthem instead of New Zealand, because
(29:35):
the founder of McLaren was Bruce McLaren, of course, and
he refers to other teams playing I think there's a
team that plays the Austrian anthem, even though they Red Bulldoo,
even though Red Bull's based. I mean quite a few
of them are based in England. I actually think he's
he's got a point, but it probably would feel a
bit weird to have a team that doesn't seem to
(29:57):
under I mean McLaren was obviously set up by Bruce McLaren,
the legendary New Zealand race driver.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
But that's pretty much Jet. Everything else is UK. I'm
in two minds, But what I do like is he
is showing that he has real personality and that's going
to pay off.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
He's flipped the bird to that moment Piers, Yeah, flip
the bird to and pass them.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
But he's he's gutsy, he's really got some grip to him.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
And also, you know, he's new, he's on, he's new
to the scene, and I don't think you know, he
has an opinion, but I don't think he comes across
as arrogant. The other thing is about the about the
about the anthem. It's ours is much nicer, especially and
in English. But here's a quiz quiz beautiful anthem.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
When was the first time we use God to fear
in New Zealand when we want to medal at the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Oh, it's probably seventy something, wasn't seventy two?
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Oh well every time before that was the Rowing eight,
But every time before that they say God Save the Queen.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, I've done last night of the promise God Save
with the Queen and King? Is that good one to
belt out as sure? And the picture theater we had
to stand up. Oh yeah, I remember that as you
should have. I hope shame actually, But by the way,
on the I F one itself, I'd love to know
how much has increased in popularity in New Zealand for
(31:22):
two reasons. One the rise of Liam Lawson, who we're
hanging out. He gets a seat in Red Bull that is,
I mean he could be winning races next to Max
for Stappan. But just the drive to survive thing as well,
it's just.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Introduced people been massive even like so that's why they
have races in America now, basically because that the public
interest in IF One after that it was not existent
for that Netflix series, So every other sport is piling
in now trying to get their own drive to survive.
But that's the only one that seems to be working
really well.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
The other thing about IF one drivers, we really don't
understand how how important is them to be sports person
like their fit, the g forces, the inner what the course,
drink is amazing, they are they are great sports people.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm into it. Have you watched Drive
to Survive yet, haven't I? All though, I think it's
probably better that I should have started at series one
because I started at serious.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
A benefit years to bad advice, because I've.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Sort of seen how some things pan out. But you've
watched all of them.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Now I have, and I just and I was not
a fan. I still can't get. I don't like, I
don't think i'd like to go to a race because
I just think what would you do is just be.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
I'm not a fan, but my mates asked me to
go to Melbourne. It was it was a great day.
And what they do is they package the event. You know,
there's music, entertainment, there are races beforehand.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Yeah, it's like kind of an unsustainable Coldplay concert. Ah No.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Here's the thing though, in twenty twenty six, the fuel
is always all going to be one hundred percent sustainable.
So it's through the technology in the innovation and the
rules that they set that I mean, this is this
is where some of the those cars are hybrids already,
they don't have to re fuel. It is phenomenal the
technology and the push for excellence that I actually find
(33:21):
that totally enthralling, don't you make.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
I'm more into the personalities. Basically, I'm there to read
the articles.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Tie. Don't you wish you've had that idea. Don't you
wish that you'd had that idea for a documentary? You know,
fly on the wall for anyway, hey onto something? How
how do we segue on this one? But the question
around charging for entry to national parks, I'm into it.
It's the great idea into the question or the doing it?
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Charge it? Charge money because and to who? Because doc
is like cash starf to got next to nothing in
the latest in the latest budget. They need the money.
I've just come from some more. As I said before,
you pay to go to those beaches, and I don't mind.
I've been to Africa. You pay to go to the
those national parks. Pay the money, use it, use the
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pays ms.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I don't really have a problem with it. I don't
think you should charge kids. I think New Zealanders should
be cheaper. Yeah, somebody somebody was saying it's in charge
and it was talking about them out to maintain the
cost and things like that, and of course you should
pay for it, but it's it's it's it's that finding
that border between what our taxes should pay for and
what user pays should pay for. And I think that,
you know, good on Tama Portaka. He's gonna they're gonna
(34:32):
throw it open to select committee and all that sort
of thing and debate. But where do you sit on it?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
The shame Well, here's here's the reality. If you're going
to charge twenty bucks, it's not going to it's not
going to make it more accessible for confrom I know,
Marngated or mangad it to go. It'll be basically people
who can afford it anyway. I think that's the reality,
you know. And Helen Clark got a lot of times
for Time for she said, this is about access and accessibility. Nah,
(35:00):
I don't think we have that anyway.
Speaker 9 (35:01):
And it's not cheap to get in their full stop anyway.
That's right, That's that's that's my whole point that it
won't be a disqualifier for people who go there on
a regular basis or on a basis anyway, because they
can afford to do it?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Would you would you? What would you think would be
a reasonable for you? I think they're talking about twenty
bucks from news elders, thirty dollars for overseas people, and
maybe a bit more.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
I think that's absolutely fine. I mean, I'm just looking here.
You pay to go to those incredible national parks in America.
Thirty five dollars to take your car into Yosemite. I
mean that is money wealth spence as well. I've been
there a couple of times. Like, look, it happens everywhere
else in the world. Why should they come over here
and get it for free while we're struggling.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
To keep the But what do we do with the
expression the best things in life are free?
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Hey, look, let's put it in let's put it in context.
I did it. I did it a few years ago.
It should have been a lot fitter before I gave
it a crack, but I did end it beginning to
end it, and it was the tom of d Or crossing.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Twenty bucks.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
That's what you pay to go to the movies these days.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, I mean when you consider it, what other things
cost A legal land costs such a such, you know,
I mean, you.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Rely on a lot on volunteers just going up and
going out and giving up of their time. You know
it's time, you know, run it. They do run them professionally,
but pay what it's worth. It's people should pay.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
The stat that I found impressive just before we go
to the break is that the dock managed more miles
of track than there is state highway in New Zealand,
which I thought was a pretty amazing stat. Anyway, guys,
we'll be back in just a moment because we've got
a couple of little cheeky, cheeky ones we're going to
cover off before we wrap up the panel. It is
ten and a half minutes to four new stalks. He'd
(36:39):
be and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is
their panel with my steam panel something beverage by the way,
it's changed too and mark Kreise or look one other
(37:02):
little thing. To cover off a slightly more frivolous topic,
one might say the woman who was out for an
evening run, she didn't well stumbled across metaphorically, of course,
she didn't literally trip over them, stumbled across a couple
who were having How do we say this on an
afternoon show on the weekend. They were having some quality
time together, a little bit of delight in the afternoon
(37:25):
on a South Auckland golf course. She says she photographed
the encounter and shared it online over infidelity concerns, which
does seem to me to be a bunch of conclusions. Yeah, anyway,
it was whole sixteen of the Clark's Beach Forever, will
live in it, We'll stop it Clark's Beach Golf Club
(37:45):
caught on camera anyway anonymously. I mean one, I don't
think it would have been in infidelity because they you're
generally not going to be leaving yourself out into being
seen in public.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Page.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
It was in daylight in the afternoon, I think, Yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Overtaken by the moment perhaps.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I don't know. I don't know, but I mean whether
having an argument about whether that was a three part
or something else, like you know, the club members, I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
I don't know. I'm not I'm not judgmental of people.
But when where I was born and sort of raised
and lived there, I was adding it was a rite
of passage. You had six at the golf outside the
golf club, down the bride or at the pony club.
It is the way it is, folks, and if you
haven't done it, give it a crack.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Or if it was supposed to be in the Polynesian pools.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
It's the speakers.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Okay, I was clean. Actually, here's the question. Who's instinct
is it? When you see that? And I'm trying to
wonderful myself. If I was running past and it was
sort of in the distance, would I think I've got
to take a video of this to show my wife
or something, you know what's going on? Would you is
that your instinct to film it?
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Hands up?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Who would film it? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
I've got a colleague who might Would you come out?
Speaker 5 (39:05):
No, I'd probably stop and clapp But here's the thing.
You know what, I've been a pretty yucky week in
terms of news, and that it sort of broke the
back of it. It broke the back of it, and
it was something to smile and laugh about and brought
a bit of humor to our week. Would I enjoy
you film it?
Speaker 6 (39:23):
Mark? Oh? That was I'm the one that filmed. Yeah,
do we know who it was.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
That had that quality time in the speaker's chair?
Speaker 6 (39:33):
I could give you some notes that'll be off here.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
We better probably do that one off here anyway. Hey, hey, guys,
says always, thank you for joining me for the panel.
They a great TV company you can check out. If
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of election sort of locations for swing states. I don't know,
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hear Allentown, all I think of is Billy Joel. Anyway,
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Is that is it the worst thing in the world
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When do you start letting them make up their own minds.
That's one of the things we're going to be chatting about,
I think one of my panelists when I hang around
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for the Parents Squad. But anyway, that's coming up in
the Parent Squad at five o'clock. Right now, it's eight
minutes past three and time to introduce our panelists there. Look,
they're a couple of silver foxes. Really, one perhaps a
little more silver than the other one. Actually, perhaps one's platinum. Actually,
there we go. Anyway, My first one, Look, he's a
(02:38):
political commentator. Great guy. I loved his column a wrote
last week about the US election. And his name is
Shane to pog and Shane, how you going well?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Just got back from the States and visited Alentel. Yes, yes,
and how was it? It was a sad place. This
is a city that a smallest city that used to
employ one hundred thousand people in the steel more industry.
I spoke to people that used to work in that
industry and in the last ten thing years I've been
(03:05):
working in the service industry. You don't getting jobs part
time jobs as waiter, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
And they felt portrayed by their own and their own
with the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, it was a great colony. Wrote and the herold
on Sunday, I think a week ago. I really enjoyed it.
So you go check it out. Shane to pose the
writing in the New zeal Herald. And my second panelist,
he's he is definitely a silver fox as well. He's
the Doyen of storytellers as a journalist, He's he's was
a storyteller for tv TV n Z for a long time.
(03:34):
On the Sunday Show, he's an all around good Guyn's
Mark Kreisel.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Yeah, Hi, hello everybody. There may be snow on the roof,
but there's a fire down below.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Looks like it's a dating show and our first candidate today.
Give him a call.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
There's a twinkle in the host's eyes. New Zealand my
only human.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Anyway. Hey, good to have you guys on the show.
What have you been up to make?
Speaker 6 (04:04):
I mean, give yourself. I've actually I've just come back
from some More. Yeah, I've had a week over there,
no no on on holiday and just it's the best country.
I love some Moore. It's the second time I've been there.
It's not touristy, the people are great, the weather was hot. Yeah,
just wonderful experience. Yeah, highly, highly, highly recommend it. I
(04:28):
think I found the best beach I've ever seen anywhere
in the space.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
What was great about it some More the beach.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
It was empty, it was beautiful, it was clean, it
was it was on the on the Lolomannu coast, which
which was the one hit by the tsunami in two
thousand and nine. And you know, I think they were
going to build a massive hotel complex there.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
But the you know, is it just is there something
about what makes the perfect beach? Is it just the
facts that you have it to yourself? We have it
to yourself.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
They have those those wonderful fallets in some More, which
is such a wonderful idea. You just sit under them
and the breeze blows over.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
After a swim.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
We had a beautiful clean water, coral suba diet.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
It's fantastic. I met just at the start of the panel.
Of course, we're going to we're going to set the
example that we haven't seen necessarily in Parliament of we're
going to carry out whatever difference is opinion we have.
It's going to be civilized, similized, civilized discussion, isn't it boys, Yes,
always he's hosting this show back of Big Boy. Anyway, Hey,
(05:33):
look at the hekoy and the scenes in Parliament the
other day. Uh, actually, I don't think it needs much
more of an introduction dramatic scenes. It was a harker
when people are getting in David Seymour's face. There was
some good speeches. There's a lot of talk around the
Treaty's Principals Bill and whether it's going to create the vision.
Willie Jackson got thrown out for calling David Semur a liar.
(05:57):
Hannah mip Clark got named and she's going to have
a day pavedt for a couple of days. Lockwood Smith
talked about the decline and standards in parliament. Shane kick
it off, baby.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
I thought it was. I thought it was a beautiful
act of rebellion and a very Maori chikana but also
New Zealand way. You know, the vote wasn't disrupted, the
vote had been put, the debate had ended and to
party Marii and the Greens and Labor finished it off
with the beautiful Hoker and they did challenge the government.
(06:34):
I see nothing wrong with that. This is a fundamental
argument about partnership that David Seymour says does not exist
an aldil on in New Zealand, and that's a ethos
and a way of thinking that being around for one
hundred and eighty years, and yeah, I think challenging it
is the right thing to do.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Mark, what do you reckon.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
I tend to agree with Shane. Actually this is very
boring radio. I agree with each other. But I think
that's protest. If you feel something, I think it should
be okay to show it. I mean, I find it
totally bizarre that David Seymour becomes a victim in this
when he's created this mess. So when when when people
(07:15):
who perpetrate these sorts of things now feel like they're
a victim. I just find that kind of pathetic in
a way.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
And these are this has he been claiming victims status.
They were mean to him and that if they behave
like that, and he's he's trying to take a high
road there.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
But I saw nothing wrong with it. I mean, I
think maybe the New Zealand Parliament needs to grow up
a little bit and understand that that is a strong
part of culture in this country and that it's okay
to show that no one was threatened. It was a harker.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
It was I it was a little bit in the face,
to be honest. I mean, you want to stay in
you see, yeah, But I mean, look, I think there's
also there's the rules for parliament. I do take a
different point of view. I think there's a time and
a place for this stuff. But if you start creating
a precedent that if somebody gets upset enough, they're going
to come and perform a harker in your face, I'm
not sure I was with that. I think all the time, no, no, no,
(08:09):
But it's happened now, and so what will it happen again?
I thought that the rhetoric from raw Ytt about KKK
and stuff, I thought it was just absurd. But here's
the thing, here's the thing. I why can't we have
rational discussion about this stuff? Why does it have why
does it have to be I mean, I don't mind
(08:30):
you say, you say what you want in a in
a debate and make speeches, and I thought there were
some good speeches across the board, but it's it's ramping
it up where we have picked people being called liars,
and and the scenes that we saw in parliament. I mean,
raw Hytt he's there in a pair of sneakers. I mean,
that's not the big crime of the day. But it
just feels like the place is I do think.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Well, the place is representative of New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Is that what you were going to say? No, well, no,
that's what New Zealand looks like. Well, no, I think
this is what what do our leaders look like? What
sort of how do we how can we have discussions
without people treating it like it's an existential threat? You
know what? This is being made bigger by the opposition
to it because people really wanted it. If don't like it,
(09:16):
then you know what, make your speeches? Have you select committee,
then it gets voted down and we move on.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
I'd like I'd like to have a proper cord it all.
This bill does not allow that. Actually, this bill is
an existential threat to to to treaty that Watson All
has served this nation pretty well for the last one
hundred and eighty years. And put it simply, we have
a contract between Hapoo and the crown. And if you
want to change that construct, whether it be Happoo or
(09:42):
the Crown, or would be Timbrebridge and Sidby in his
employment contract, you've got to talk to the fundamental components
of that, and that bill doesn't allow for that. I
want constitutional debate, I want constitutional reform. This bill doesn't
facilitate that at all.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, David Simo say it does because they will go
select Select Committee and people can put their arguments forward
and as to have if I going to, if I'm
going to decide that this spell is wrong, I want to.
I want it to be argued substantively rather than our
feelings are hurt.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
But it's not even going to be done that way,
is it. The Prime Minister said, they're the Prime Minister
who I think has played a very bad role in
all of this. He hasn't, He hasn't shown any real
leadership on the on this and it's not substantive debate.
It's only going to go to the reading and then
he's already said that he's going to vote it down
if he if he was committed to it, why wouldn't
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he see the process We will? This is about a
political chip shop.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
We will see a change, exchange of ideas and the
Select Committee though, won't we?
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Yeah? I just wish it hadn't gone ahead at all.
I mean I took on board what Chris Chris Finlasson
said this week. Who has you know it was a
long time treaty negotiator that we have been making steady
progress to a bicultural country and slowly and both sides
culty cultural Please no, no.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
We're by cultural.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
We're by culture multi cultural, we're by cultural we are yeah,
and so you know, and we were making progress towards
that and this is just setting it all back. And
it's not just this bill, it's it's the other stuff.
It's taking today o out of government names. And for
a lot of Mary who who And I'm sorry, I'm
Parker speaking on behalf of Mary, but for a lot
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of Mari that I speak to feel like they're under attack,
that they were starting to get parts of their culture back.
It's not this, it's something else. And there's something else,
and you know, we had it waiting at the beginning
of the year. This is just going to go go
on and on and on. This is no way for
a government to build a country.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
What disturbs me is that Seymour says that Mary have
an advantage because of the treaty. You know, Mlori men
die ten years younger and now parkr counterparts where jailed
four times and even for the same types of crime
our There are huge in equities that exist and the
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treaty isn't one And can I tell you where? Can't
set up this window, but I think we can see
it out the other window. The Mona authority. When the
when Naji Fat got their moa back, what was the
first thing they did? Tim They said, here, Tommy Makoto,
this is for us all to share. The Whitecotta River deal.
What was the first thing that tiny we did? They said, hey,
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this waterway is for us all to enjoy. And what
happens when we're in the shit and we run out
of water? Here Whitecottle River. That's another prime example where
these things work beautifully.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yes, I think the thing is if we talk about disadvantage,
then Seymour would say, you target the disadvantage. You don't
just say look, you are Mari, therefore we're going to
treat you differently. The problem was with the principles. The
principles are not in the Treaty of White Tangi. They
have been created by the tribunal, the courts, judges, academics right,
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they're not there. In two thousand and five Winston Peter's
New Zealand. First, wasn't there a treaty of principal Treaty
of Waitangi Principle Deletion Bill which was about not putting
them in. So the argument I would make is that judges,
academics tribunals have had their say. Now this is not
saying I agree with his bill, but there are things
that I do agree with, which funnily enough, I think
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national agree with. But they don't like the bill because
the bill itself is divisive. Right, But so we've had
the judiciary have there say. The other branch of the
government is the legislature. I don't see a problem with
having the discussion within the realms of Parliament about it.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yes, but this bill doesn't do that well at This
bill fundamentally, fundamentally undermines a contract between HPOO and the Crown,
and Mary made it very clear they don't like this bill.
But do we want to sit down? Do we want
to have a quarter all about our constitutional construct? Of
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course we do. We you know, we don't live on
a separate island. You know we're Maori, we're huppu we
ewie wikiwisticipate argument.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I think you're going to win the argument. Look, I
think I think you've got the people we have to
have just continue rational discussions about That's what I mean. So,
for instance, the first clause the government has the power
to make rules. I don't have a problem with that.
And the third one, everyone is equal before the law.
The second one has probably got a bit more argument
to it because it's about the treat rights that exist
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at the time of the treaty, and so that's something
I'm interested in more discussion around. But see here we
have these principles which again are not defined in legislation,
that they're described through the courts and through academia and
judges and laws and all that sort of thing. And
using those principles, Labor set up a separate health system.
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I don't know what principles National followed to quite happen.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Well, it was, but it was all the mighty health.
The mighty Health Authority had five had about three and
a half to five percent of the total health. It
wasn't as if we were going.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Out way, but no, what I mean was it was
it was those principles are you by politicians to do
different things. And I think there's a very strong argument
for saying, well, let's have a discussion about what those
principles mean. Except all I heard in Parliament from from
the vehement side of things was anger and hurt feelings.
That didn't tell me a single thing about the discussion.
(15:22):
And that's why I think that when it comes to
these things as a country, I think we're very backwards
that we can't have civil discussions and if someone's wrong,
then let's have that, you know what I mean, I
think that's what. I well, that's what.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
But also don't I also don't think that that's just
one side.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I mean, you know, I mean, this is this is
a civilized discussion, yes, once.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
I think both sides are actually throwing dirt at each
other quite successfully. I mean, this is David. This is
the same person who talked about blowing up the ministry
of specific peoples.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You know, so that you know that's a silly remark.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Well, it's just it's more.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Than a silly remark to some people.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
So I mean, I think both both sides are faulty,
and we're getting a lot of heat and no light.
I agree, there's these These are hard discussions to have,
and but those are the sort of discussions you have
to have when you build a nation. And this will
go on and on. We will go so far, then
we'll come back. We'll go so far. But I feel
at the moment this is taking us back. This isn't
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making the walker go any faster, and also.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Can I say, to be honest, I don't accept the
premise of your argument that we can't have civil discussions.
I think by and large we do. We have heated
We have heated moments from time to time in our history.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
This is one of them.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
But by and large we're pretty blended, pretty balanced, pretty
moderate country.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Well, actually that's generally. My point is that I think
what we see in parliament, here's the here's here's an
interesting argument. What we see in parliament I don't think
represents the way that you and I and everything cylinder relates.
But we made the point that they're representative of us.
But I think that they are doing us a disservice.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
If Mark would have been Mark would have been around,
you know, they talk about the standards of parliament. Mark
would have been around the time where a pissed Prime
minister almost on a nightly basis, govern this country to parliament.
I think the standards have improved, and I think no.
I think diversity has diversity means that different, a different
realm of discussion of argument. By and large, up to
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the eighties and nineties, we had one single, monotone voice
in New Zealand Parliament. I think it's changed, and I
think it's changed for the better.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Fix we are and some people don't like that. Yeah,
and that's but that's kind of tough. It's I like
to see New Zealand in there. Also a point Shane
is also I think for some people, particularly Pakia, if
they don't spend time in what I or anything like that,
I feel that maybe it's aggre. You know, Maria quite
aggressive towards each other. When they speak, they speak very
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plainly and and you don't leave without knowing what they mean.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Can I quickly say this one thing? You know, what
happens when we travel the world, whether when when when
New Zealanders Mary identity gives us a sense of belonging
and a sense of the sense and a sense of difference.
And I think if you're going to say to Marty, oh,
you can do it here when the Prime Minister takes
a trade group, but you can't do it after a
headed debate in Parliament, I don't think. I don't think
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that's acceptable at all.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
You know, I don't think I.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Can't say, Mary, this is your lane, you've got to
stick into it. The debate had finished, the moat had
been put a heated moment. We will get over it
as a nation.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And we'll move on. Oh yeah, absolutely right. We need
to take a break because we've went far too long
on this. We've got much much more relaxed things to
talk about, like Donald Trump's appointments. It's our twenty five
past three news talks. He'd be.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Long, It's quite all right.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Ah, yes, yeah, this is me. I thought maybe did
you recognize my voice?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
This is I thought it was Sinatra.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
It seeing loves in the air, this is the This
is what I love about a good quality panel. We
can have disagreements and different points of view and it's
just one big group hag in the end, isn't it music?
I love your baby yourself. Hey, by the way, did
you guys go see? Are you cold Play fans or
what not?
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Not such a fan? I love a big concert. I
kind of got a little bit of fomo when I
saw everybody went there and how amazing that concert. Look,
I'm not a fan of their music, but one hundred
and fifty thousand coming, it's got to be good.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I think they've made a central two, haven't they?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
They've made a central two?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I regret it I'm not a big fan of fan
of their music, but apparently they put on a really
good show, great interrection with the crowd, sort of made
it sort of New Zealand centric, you know, and people
had a good time.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I mean I didn't go. I can't get past
the grinch No, no, no no. I'm just not really
a big band concert goer sort of thing. But I
just can't get past that song, you know, will Your Gods.
It's just depressed me and I can't get past that song.
But somebody did say to me. And I'm not a
Taylor Swift fan, but the thing is, what you get
at these concerts is the production values as well and everything.
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It's just so stunning.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
So they don't make money out of records anymore, yeah, CDs,
so that's where they where they have to pull in
the money. And this is this apparently is the biggest,
bigger than Taylor Swift to it the biggest grossing one
in the world.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And is there something about these events that people It's
a new way people congregate and days gone by when
I used to go to church on Sunday, but now
I get the feeling that people like to go to
events together and just feel that they're part of the
big It was always a he call.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
I think so. But the other thing is, I think
people like Coldplay, you too, taylorswortht my Man, Springsteen. They
respect their fans, you know, and you're going to get
three hours of rock and roll. I've been to Beyonce,
I've been to Lady Gaga ninety minutes maybe singing, you know,
two dozen songs, no interaction, all video. But with the
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real bands, man, you get.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Entertainment, and you get value for me Vie, and you
get a shared experience with a whole lot of people.
I remember springsteen Is last concert. It's played Born to
Run at the end, and I turned around. It was
like an a cappella version and I turned around and
I just saw all these people in tears, and that
was that was a special Like the intimacy you feel
(21:50):
in a massive stadium. It's it's a special thing.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So yeah, we've had a light moment.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Now light the match, baby.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Look, Donald Trump is putting together his cabinet, if that's
the right word for it, and he has had made
strange choices. The first observation I'd make is eight years ago,
I really cared about him being president in a negative way.
And I find that I'm quite sanguine about it. I'm
sort of like, oh, well, you guys do what you
do you but I did. I was there's a couple
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of appointments that look interesting. There possibly the one that
makes me the most nervous as Pete Hegseth, a Fox
News commentator, who's the Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Yeah, And the danger is you want someone in the
Secretary of Defense who is a political but stands above that.
You know, the army and the military they need to
be separate, not being used for political ends. This is
a guy who will do whatever Donald Trump tells him
to do, and that is very worrying. Also, have you
seen the shots of Max throwing.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, it's terrible. He hits somebody. What a clown.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Honestly, Yeah, there are the how about the Attorney General
Matt Gates.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Oh, now that this is a guy who.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Was up on six trafficking charges. You the guy that
accompanied him actually did some time. This is sort of
serious sort of stuff.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
And he asked at the end of Trump's last term,
he asked for a blanket pardon, even though he hadn't
been charged yet. Similar to the one that Richard Nixon got.
He didn't get it, but I mean, this is a
guy taking over the Justice Department.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I think he's the one where there's going to be
potentially the most pushback from the House Republicans as well,
who are quite and.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
It's kind of interesting that they've elected a new leader
the Republicans in the House who and he is not
he is not a Trump so senator a senator. I mean,
he's not a Trump supporter. And that was a secret
ballot and that's kind of interesting that if it was
out in the open, they may have got a different result.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
And here's a thing. It was a it was a
clean win by Trump. He won the presidency, he won
the Senate, he won the House, but the House only
bay about ten or eleven. And here's here's the thing
about American politics.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Nick.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
In two years time, there'll be about there will be
a balance. The Democrats are likely to win the House,
might win the Senate, and so you know, the will
balance will be restored.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's interesting because the House House Ethics Committee there had
been investigating allegations into Matt Gates and because he resigned
as a he's they stop it but now there's this
pressure do they release the report? And I can't see
how you could. I mean, I tend to think if
someone's going to be attorney general, you should probably have
a little bit of transparency. If they've had a report
in to him, then they should probably release it, shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
They of course? And look to talk about appointments. You
ever heard the same never meet your heroes. Well, about
eight nine years ago I met r IF. I spent
three days with them. We got him over to do
a speaking.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Hero of yours at the time.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
But it's bad, but he was very different ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
No, he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
But what an unpleasant person, just on a very personal basis.
And we were down at Swashbuckler's and he took really
badly to a waiter and I we don't do that.
We don't do that any WHOA just a little story
I don't want to share with That's a good way. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Look, I try to avoid demonizing some of the worst
candidates because there is something to be said for RFK
and that he wants Americans to eat more healthily, which
is which is a positive. It's just that when the
share prices of vaccine manufacturers and scientific companies that are
connected with that have plunged because people are worried about
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a shrinking of investment and that, and I think, funny
thing is I wonder whether there will be a side
benefit to New Zealand and that a whole lot of
scientists who might be having have been hanging around in Providence,
Rhde Island are going to go, let's shift their operations
to on and know Wellington.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
It's look, I know, I feel like you Tim that
when you got elected. I thought, oh, yeah, actually maybe
I don't care so much. But the more I think
about it, there's a lot of things to worry about.
And I think there's that thing with Trump where you think, oh,
maybe he's not quite as crazy as he sounds. He's
not going to do that. But when you look at
this cabinet and you look at the potential, you know,
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like rolling back the environmental stuff, allowing Putin to take Ukraine,
you know, those who are going to have serious ramifications
for the rest of the world.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
And I tell you, I tell you, he will enable
He will enable Ny more than Nina who has ever
been enabled before. And people say, I can't get any worse,
and Ghaza it will get a lot worse. But hey, look,
can I just say, after being to the States for
the last sort of three weeks, I'm very guilty of
demonizing Trump supporters. I'm actually met some really decent folks
(26:39):
that have the same sort of values that I have
about our family. They're worried about their future, they feel disempowered,
they feel left behind from their own from their own party,
the Democrats. And I really enjoyed those court itals.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
As I say, Shane, I thought you were call him
and the Herolin Sunday, I think it was a week ago.
Was absolutely fan. It was a great piece. I thought,
that's an interesting thing here.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
It's the problem with four left wing parties all over
the world is that they grew up being the party
of the working class, and now they're the part party
of the educated elite pretty much, and they don't and
the two don't like each other. You know, the educated
elite think the working class are racist and sexist and
all those kind of things, and so and then they've
been smashed. You talk about Alan Town, Globalization is them.
(27:26):
You know, all those jobs have gone off shore and
they're just left working in malls and things like that.
So where's their base. Now what do they stand for?
Who do they stand for? And the identity There's a
great great slogan by Trump which goes to this identity
politics thing. He said, Kamala Harris stands for they them,
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I stand for you.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
That's a good slogan.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
It's a very very good slogan. And that kind of
sums up quite a bit. How like the Democrats and
you know, the labor parties to a certain degree, they
all hive off into these little identities. I stand for this,
I stand for that. But like I think, the great
wads of people just are the power of my life.
Better please and look after my family.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
The power of a good slogan. That is a really
good one I have, and I think it's gone now.
But I did hope that sometimes when someone has a
really good win, that it would lead to a little
bit of magnanimity.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
But I'm not a little about You've got to say that, Biden, Yeah,
Biden and Harris Harris's consistant speech there was magnanimous inviting Trump,
the story and that tradition.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
I think I think they've reached out.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah yeah, oh well, we'll see how it plays out.
And luckily, at a distance right, we'll be back in
just a moment with my panelists. Shown to Poemark Kreisel,
you can have a chat about actually Liam Lawson have
a chat about a little bit about at the f
one and he's made some comments about anthems and McLaren
and all that sort of thing, and we're going to
get into that in just a moment. It's twenty one
minutes to four News talks. He'd be that's cold player,
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isn't I thought that was to leverish.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
At the early years.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Welcome back to the here my richer years, Welcome back
to the week and collective shame to pay Mark Cras
on my guests. Now, Liam Lawson, boy, I've only just
started watching Drive to Survived unfortunately watched the most recent one.
But the reason we're mentioning this is that it's been
in the news that he's had a crack at McLaren
who played the UK anthem instead of New Zealand, because
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the founder of McLaren was Bruce McLaren, of course, and
he refers to other teams playing I think there's a
team that plays the Austrian anthem, even though they Red Bulldoo,
even though Red Bull's based. I mean quite a few
of them are based in England. I actually think he's
he's got a point, but it probably would feel a
bit weird to have a team that doesn't seem to
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under I mean McLaren was obviously set up by Bruce McLaren,
the legendary New Zealand race driver.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
But that's pretty much Jet. Everything else is UK. I'm
in two minds, But what I do like is he
is showing that he has real personality and that's going
to pay off.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
He's flipped the bird to that moment Piers, Yeah, flip
the bird to and pass them.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
But he's he's gutsy, he's really got some grip to him.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
And also, you know, he's new, he's on, he's new
to the scene, and I don't think you know, he
has an opinion, but I don't think he comes across
as arrogant. The other thing is about the about the
about the anthem. It's ours is much nicer, especially and
in English. But here's a quiz quiz beautiful anthem.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
When was the first time we use God to fear
in New Zealand when we want to medal at the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Oh, it's probably seventy something, wasn't seventy two?
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Oh well every time before that was the Rowing eight,
But every time before that they say God Save the Queen.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, I've done last night of the promise God Save
with the Queen and King? Is that good one to
belt out as sure? And the picture theater we had
to stand up. Oh yeah, I remember that as you
should have. I hope shame actually, But by the way,
on the I F one itself, I'd love to know
how much has increased in popularity in New Zealand for
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two reasons. One the rise of Liam Lawson, who we're
hanging out. He gets a seat in Red Bull that is,
I mean he could be winning races next to Max
for Stappan. But just the drive to survive thing as well,
it's just.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Introduced people been massive even like so that's why they
have races in America now, basically because that the public
interest in IF One after that it was not existent
for that Netflix series, So every other sport is piling
in now trying to get their own drive to survive.
But that's the only one that seems to be working
really well.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
The other thing about IF one drivers, we really don't
understand how how important is them to be sports person
like their fit, the g forces, the inner what the course,
drink is amazing, they are they are great sports people.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm into it. Have you watched Drive
to Survive yet, haven't I? All though, I think it's
probably better that I should have started at series one
because I started at serious.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
A benefit years to bad advice, because I've.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Sort of seen how some things pan out. But you've
watched all of them.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Now I have, and I just and I was not
a fan. I still can't get. I don't like, I
don't think i'd like to go to a race because
I just think what would you do is just be.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
I'm not a fan, but my mates asked me to
go to Melbourne. It was it was a great day.
And what they do is they package the event. You know,
there's music, entertainment, there are races beforehand.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Yeah, it's like kind of an unsustainable Coldplay concert. Ah No.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Here's the thing though, in twenty twenty six, the fuel
is always all going to be one hundred percent sustainable.
So it's through the technology in the innovation and the
rules that they set that I mean, this is this
is where some of the those cars are hybrids already,
they don't have to re fuel. It is phenomenal the
technology and the push for excellence that I actually find
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that totally enthralling, don't you make.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
I'm more into the personalities. Basically, I'm there to read
the articles.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Tie. Don't you wish you've had that idea. Don't you
wish that you'd had that idea for a documentary? You know,
fly on the wall for anyway, hey onto something? How
how do we segue on this one? But the question
around charging for entry to national parks, I'm into it.
It's the great idea into the question or the doing it?
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Charge it? Charge money because and to who? Because doc
is like cash starf to got next to nothing in
the latest in the latest budget. They need the money.
I've just come from some more. As I said before,
you pay to go to those beaches, and I don't mind.
I've been to Africa. You pay to go to the
those national parks. Pay the money, use it, use the
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pays ms.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I don't really have a problem with it. I don't
think you should charge kids. I think New Zealanders should
be cheaper. Yeah, somebody somebody was saying it's in charge
and it was talking about them out to maintain the
cost and things like that, and of course you should
pay for it, but it's it's it's it's that finding
that border between what our taxes should pay for and
what user pays should pay for. And I think that,
you know, good on Tama Portaka. He's gonna they're gonna
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throw it open to select committee and all that sort
of thing and debate. But where do you sit on it?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
The shame Well, here's here's the reality. If you're going
to charge twenty bucks, it's not going to it's not
going to make it more accessible for confrom I know,
Marngated or mangad it to go. It'll be basically people
who can afford it anyway. I think that's the reality,
you know. And Helen Clark got a lot of times
for Time for she said, this is about access and accessibility. Nah,
(35:00):
I don't think we have that anyway.
Speaker 9 (35:01):
And it's not cheap to get in their full stop anyway.
That's right, That's that's that's my whole point that it
won't be a disqualifier for people who go there on
a regular basis or on a basis anyway, because they
can afford to do it?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Would you would you? What would you think would be
a reasonable for you? I think they're talking about twenty
bucks from news elders, thirty dollars for overseas people, and
maybe a bit more.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
I think that's absolutely fine. I mean, I'm just looking here.
You pay to go to those incredible national parks in America.
Thirty five dollars to take your car into Yosemite. I
mean that is money wealth spence as well. I've been
there a couple of times. Like, look, it happens everywhere
else in the world. Why should they come over here
and get it for free while we're struggling.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
To keep the But what do we do with the
expression the best things in life are free?
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Hey, look, let's put it in let's put it in context.
I did it. I did it a few years ago.
It should have been a lot fitter before I gave
it a crack, but I did end it beginning to
end it, and it was the tom of d Or crossing.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Twenty bucks.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
That's what you pay to go to the movies these days.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, I mean when you consider it, what other things
cost A legal land costs such a such, you know,
I mean, you.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Rely on a lot on volunteers just going up and
going out and giving up of their time. You know
it's time, you know, run it. They do run them professionally,
but pay what it's worth. It's people should pay.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
The stat that I found impressive just before we go
to the break is that the dock managed more miles
of track than there is state highway in New Zealand,
which I thought was a pretty amazing stat. Anyway, guys,
we'll be back in just a moment because we've got
a couple of little cheeky, cheeky ones we're going to
cover off before we wrap up the panel. It is
ten and a half minutes to four new stalks. He'd
(36:39):
be and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. This is
their panel with my steam panel something beverage by the way,
it's changed too and mark Kreise or look one other
(37:02):
little thing. To cover off a slightly more frivolous topic,
one might say the woman who was out for an
evening run, she didn't well stumbled across metaphorically, of course,
she didn't literally trip over them, stumbled across a couple
who were having How do we say this on an
afternoon show on the weekend. They were having some quality
time together, a little bit of delight in the afternoon
(37:25):
on a South Auckland golf course. She says she photographed
the encounter and shared it online over infidelity concerns, which
does seem to me to be a bunch of conclusions. Yeah, anyway,
it was whole sixteen of the Clark's Beach Forever, will
live in it, We'll stop it Clark's Beach Golf Club
(37:45):
caught on camera anyway anonymously. I mean one, I don't
think it would have been in infidelity because they you're
generally not going to be leaving yourself out into being
seen in public.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Page.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
It was in daylight in the afternoon, I think, Yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Overtaken by the moment perhaps.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I don't know. I don't know, but I mean whether
having an argument about whether that was a three part
or something else, like you know, the club members, I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
I don't know. I'm not I'm not judgmental of people.
But when where I was born and sort of raised
and lived there, I was adding it was a rite
of passage. You had six at the golf outside the
golf club, down the bride or at the pony club.
It is the way it is, folks, and if you
haven't done it, give it a crack.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Or if it was supposed to be in the Polynesian pools.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
It's the speakers.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Okay, I was clean. Actually, here's the question. Who's instinct
is it? When you see that? And I'm trying to
wonderful myself. If I was running past and it was
sort of in the distance, would I think I've got
to take a video of this to show my wife
or something, you know what's going on? Would you is
that your instinct to film it?
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Hands up?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Who would film it? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
I've got a colleague who might Would you come out?
Speaker 5 (39:05):
No, I'd probably stop and clapp But here's the thing.
You know what, I've been a pretty yucky week in
terms of news, and that it sort of broke the
back of it. It broke the back of it, and
it was something to smile and laugh about and brought
a bit of humor to our week. Would I enjoy
you film it?
Speaker 6 (39:23):
Mark? Oh? That was I'm the one that filmed. Yeah,
do we know who it was.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
That had that quality time in the speaker's chair?
Speaker 6 (39:33):
I could give you some notes that'll be off here.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
We better probably do that one off here anyway. Hey, hey, guys,
says always, thank you for joining me for the panel.
They a great TV company you can check out. If
you've missed any of our fantastic conversation, you can go
and check out the podcast. Look for the Weekend Collective
on iHeartRadio or the News Talks B website. We'll be
back with the One Roof Radio Show. Nick good Or
is going to be chatting into us. He's from core Logic.
(39:57):
They're the data guys and guys and girls, should I say,
and talking about the market softness and it is it
that bad? If you have to sell the loss? It
will be covered a few other things off. This is
the Weekend Collective, the One Roof Radio Show. As I say,
oh eight one hundred and eighty, ten to eighty will
be taking your cause in text nine two nine two.
Let's take it out with a little bit more Stevie,
shall we?
Speaker 1 (40:39):
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