Full Show Podcast: 08 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Ed B at count Good afternoon and welcome into the
Sunday edition of Weekend Sport on News Talk SEDB for
December eight. I'm Jason Pine, Bevan Dua show producer. Today
we're here till three talking sport with you. Massive day
for football in Auckland yesterday. A brilliant occasion at go

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Media Stadium for the Second A League Kiwee Darby Auckland
FC winning a sixth straight game. Wellington Phoenix, though becoming
the first team to score a goal, passed them two
to one on the field and utterly exceptional occasion off
the field. New Zealand Herald wright Michael Burgess ufter one
Your thoughts on this one are welcome as well, especially

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if you were there. I can tell you the atmosphere
was quite something. Bevin Duwell was there. He is worse
for wear today but he's fronted up as we all have,
as have England at the base in reserve cricket. First up,
Day three of the Second Test in Wellington has not
been going well for New Zealand. Resuming at three seventy
eight for five, England got through to four twenty seven

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for six before declaring, during which time Joe Root brought
up a milestone.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
To Root on ninety eight, goes to rampadd and he.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Does raps it up over the top of Blundell and
that's one hundred bot.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Joe wrote, what.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
A way to bring it up?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Joe Roots thirty sixth Test century, eventually out for one
hundred and six, at which point England pulled the pin.
That's left us with a winning target of five hundred
and eighty three. Not an impossible task, but certainly a
pretty tricky one. Just for context, the highest ever successful
fourth innings chase and tentman in the entire history of

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Test cricket is four hundred and eighteen by the West
Indies in two thousand and three. Things have started in
less than ideal fashion.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Books have the wig at the Conway and he's played on?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Is there went forward? Hey Devin Conway our phinose score?
We're live at the basin shortly with former New Zealand
coach Steve Rixon, and we'll keep you right up to
date across the afternoon with our man in Wellington Andrew Alderson.
Your input and analysis obviously welcome as well. It just
feels so deflating, doesn't it. Let's chat also about potential
changes and selections for the Third Test, other matters around

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today after two our greatest cricketer, Sir Richard Hadley's on
the show. He was a natural first inductee into the
New Zealand Cricket Hall of Fame. This week Steve Elka
coming home to play the New Zealand Open. He'll join
us for a tear a chat coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith
for the final time this year. And James mcconey along
with his regular irreverent views on the sporting issues of
the day. Calls and feedback absolutely welcome, encouraged. In fact

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Speaker 1 (03:21):
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Speaker 2 (03:32):
Steve Rickson fondly remembered here in New Zealand for his
time as Black Caps coach from nineteen ninety seven to
two thousand. He oversaw a period of significant success, including
in nineteen ninety nine when New Zealand won two Tests
in a series in England for the very first time.
It became just the second black Caps team to win
a Test series in England.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
And New Zealand have won the match, they have won
the series and they have played excellent cricket here.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
While he was at the hell New Zealand also won
a Test match in Pakistan for the first time since
nineteen sixty nine and beat some Bar Wastril, Anchor and
India in series here at home. Steve Rixson joins us
on Weekend Sport. Great to have you with us. Steve
understand you've got together with a few players from that
ninety nine tour and series win over England. How fond
of your memories even twenty five years on.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
I don't know where the Embellishment's are grown, but certainly
the fondness of the memory of that trip was certainly
amplified over the last two days and it was just
the best time I knew it would be. But getting
together with all the group again and sharing stories, I
don't think we could get enough of each other to
be fair, and we've just had two absolutely stunning days.

(04:43):
So I'm heading back to Sydney today, but I've enjoyed
every moment of being over here and it's reunited all
those great thoughts and some of the stories that came out.
It was just obviously stunning.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, they never get old, do those stories? Even twenty
five years on? Was it particularly special to win a
Test match at Lord's on that tour.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
I've been an associated with a lot of criticides and
we've always won it Lord's, so to me personally, not
so much. But I guess I guess the real big
key to that Lord's Test for me was having been
beaten in the first Test, which I found extraordinarily hard
to accept because we've prepared well, We played so well
during that Test and Alex Tudor and Graham Thorpe put

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on a big partnership to actually get them over the line,
but they'd only won about two sessions. The whole game,
We've been dominating. But the ride back to London on
the M one was a bit sour for me, and
I just couldn't think of what I was going to
try to do. So over the period of the trip
I said to everyone, like, bags down, we need to
get upstairs and have a talk. And so we went

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upstairs had a talk and I said this, I've got
one question for that I need an answer every one
of you for And he said, well, in the first bloke,
I said, what's the question stuff? And I said, well,
I just want to know what each of you guys
are going to do to make the difference in the
second test. Just tell me one. And you know I
heard the Bland answer, a Bland answer, and Bland answer,
and then on the fourth the fourth answer came from

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Chris Cans and he leapt up out of his chair
and he said, I'll tell you what I'm going to
be doing. My name will be on that board in
the visitors room. I can't tell you right now that
I've scored one hundred or five, I've taken five wickets,
but I will be on that board, mark my words,
and like I could fill the hairs on my neck,
just move immediately, And that exactly, that little spark was
the I don't even know what the rest said to

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be fair, because that was all I was looking for,
that little spark, and that started the whole return, and
we never looked back from the from the the win
at Lord Throw to going up North and getting washed
out up there and having having dominated that game, and
then of course singing we are the champions in Lord's
dressing rooms with those very thin walls, hearing the English

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cringing next door, and I don't think I've actually recovered.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well, Chris Keens did exactly as he said, six for
seventy seven. Of course man Horn got a one hundred,
so he's up on the board as well. Some some
wonderful memories. What else really stands out when you think back.
It's obviously a team that, even twenty five years on,
if you're still getting back together, you obviously enjoy one
another's company pretty much.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah, we do, and we were seriously, we've we've we
didn't watch a lot of the cricket, to be honest.
Yesterday we just sat there and spoke about everything and
anything that was associated with a ninety nine trip, even
down to the I so vividly remember speaking Christi Guski
to go to the Hallberg Awards a couple of weeks
after I'd accepted the to take on the Kiwi. So

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I went along and I just sat and listened to
the comedian one of your sportsman, the compere absolutely ship
bag the black Caps and I'm going, really, really, this
is your national cricket team and this is this is
what everyone's got to say about you. And I said
to Chris at the time, I said, mate, I've oh,
well this is this is not right.

Speaker 7 (07:58):
I want to get I want to.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
Go and he said, nice, stump, but just whole five,
you know, just hanging there for a little bit longer
and I'll tell you when you can go. But I'd
never ever forgot that. Three years later, when we've come
back and I've arrived back in Sydney, he rang me
and he said, I I want you to come over
for the I want you to come over for the
Helberg Awards. And I laughed at him. I said, how's

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your memory? And I love Chris. I'd do anything for
Chris and anyway, if their poys just come over, I said, look,
I'm for the awards. I'm not coming over for you.
I will come over. So I went over there and
when it was just a bit of a feel that
we might have gone close to winning this you've taken
off the All Blacks for the first time, and anyway,

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we did get announced. I said to Nash and Jeff Elliot,
I said, you boys, sit in the background. I've had
a little little bloke on my shoulder for three years.
I'm just about to get him off. And he said,
you'd start up to say a word that They just
sat back. I think they were horrified. I was going
to come out of my mouth. But anyway, I got
up and I never forgot or missed anybody that should

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have been should have been tagged at the top. And
I have a thousand people in this marquets all stood
to the standing ovation at the end of it, and
I said, now, that's the reason we play this game,
that's the reason I coach, that's the reason these players
have played the game, and that's the reward you should
be getting as your national cricket term. And that it
was one of the absolute fondness memories. And I shared

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that with the boys the other day and they said,
we remember it so well because they were up in
Wellington playing playing a game. So yeah, one wonderful, wonderful memories.
And these just keep on going on, you know, the stories,
stories throughout this day, and one story led to another,
and you know, seven or eight hours later, just sitting
at the same chair, we kept going.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
One of the real features of New Zealand under your watch, Steve,
was the fielding. It became a benchmark of the side
under your guidance. How did you make that happen?

Speaker 6 (10:00):
Very simply one of my very very early statements to them,
I said, I don't know how if we can be
the best batting side in the world. I don't know
how or if we can be the best bowling side
in the world. But I can't see one reason we
can't be the best fielding side in the world. That's
going to make the bowler's job so much easier. Instead
of trying to get fifteen wickets, we're getting eleven out

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or sorry, ten out, and that's going to make the
whole process work well. And all the boys spoke about
this yesterday as well. All the hard work we put
in and he said, I remember Macca said to me,
he said, I remember walking off gone, my god. If
this is how we have our fielding and rich things
are going to be. We've got a lot of work
to do and that's going to be hard. But as

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they improved and as they went along, we had one
of one of the best catching catching groups that I
think I've ever seen in world cricket. With the Baroli
on the stumps, who was creeping well, you had the
fleming astill young and it was like the Tory as well.
In the gully. Macca ran the same place. But it
was just we didn't drop too many catches in the

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cortin at all, and that makes such difference to the
duels of Nashes, the Tansas, et cetera of the world.
And it was just wonderful. So we did put a
lot of emphasis on on it. Not that we we
missed out on the other areas, but we thought that's
where we can absolutely shine, and we did. We were
the best fielding side in the world for quite quite

(11:24):
a period of time. But I've noted over the years
that they've been very, very good. They had a blemish
the other day and they but those things will happen occasionally.
I hope they don't happen more than more than once,
but yeah, they you are allowed to have a bad day.
And I just think generally speaking, their fielding hasn't been
too bad in the last four or five years, and
and they've really put some emphats on doing a lot

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of what we did in the early days.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
It's obviously not gone quite so well for the current
side against England. Or what have you made of this
current series and England's domination of them?

Speaker 6 (11:59):
Yeah, looking looking at it, and I have seen quite
a bit of a series. I watched all the first
Test and a little bit of this Test so far.
But they have been they have been outplayed. They've been
given the opportunity of staying in the game England with
the drop catches in the first Test. That would have
if you've had, of course books, I think that could
have been a completely different Test. But this Test we've

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been completely outplayed so far and we'll just have to
wait to see how the pans out from here. But yeah, look,
I mean one side are very well born side. They
are playing a brand of cricket that if they get
on top, they're going to hurt you, because the currency
in cricket is scoring runs and they do know how
to do that. They will fall on their face on

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occasions with the and I hate using the word, but
the baseball approach they they have, but they are going
to stick with that. And as we saw even either
this morning with Route getting one hundred and and Stokes
doing what he did, they just accelerate the scoreboard to
actually get themselves further in front and probably out of
the reach of the kuge win. So yeah, they're probably

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a little bit better at the moment. And I would
like to see the two young kids take the new ball,
but that's something I haven't quite got my head around.
I'm seeing guys biling up one forty and you know,
South he's been a wonderful, wonderful player for your country.
But when the oppositions start charging it, you know from
first ball, well, I'm guessing that probably the one twenty

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five to one twenty eight is and isn't going to
cut it in the modern day game the way they're playing.
So I'd like to see the two young kids at
one hundred and forty come filing in and really hitting
the wicket and getting jump and jumping about a bit,
but that's only one little thing. And I would have
actually taken a spinner in this particular test as well.
I don't think the idea of four quicks is is
probably the answer, but everyone's got an opinion. And yeah,

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you asked the question, I just gave your mind.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
No, it's good now. I think you've been reading the
notes of many of our audience as well. Steve, just On,
just on to just on Tom Blundell. He's come under
pressure for his lean trot with the bat, but what
have you made of Tom Blundle's wicket keeping and Red
Bull cricket.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
Yeah, I've seen a bit of Tom and over the
years I've been quite impressed. It's probably dropped to pace
a little bit at the moment, and he did take
cash this morning to remove route, so I can't take
too much away from that. But yeah, Tom, Tom will
be right. He should chose the soldier and you you
got to stick with him. You can't just pop them
in and out. And just because they haven't scored a

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few runs, he will. He's a very very good vat
and they're damaging back. He's the sort of player that's
going to change the direction of the game. So you've
just got to stick with Tom for a minute. And
I don't know who else is around the place, but
what I do know is he's good enough to hold
his spot and should be given that.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Right, all right, just to finish Steve new zelland have
just lost the second wicket thirty for two, chasing five
eighty three. So look, it's a massive mountain to climb.
If you were in that dressing room addressing the players
who still have to bat over the next hopefully too
in a but days, what would your messages be, Oh, basically.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
Just to formulate, formulate and do some partnership. Just get
one partnership going. Once you've got one partnership, you're taking
the quicks down. You're slowly, slowly changing the pattern bat
to where you needed to be, and that makes life
so much asier for everyone else. But when you're losing
two and three out front, it makes it like extremely difficult.
You need to be you need to be still positive.
But at the same time, just once you've got a

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partnership of twenty forty sixty, turn that into one hundred
and fifty and then all of a sudden, the game
the look of the game, the feel of the game.
The opposition all look a little bit jaded, and the
game the game looks once they roachable. I've got five
five seventy five eighty. Whatever they're chasing is, it's not
really going to happen. But you do need pride and
you do need some confidence going into the next test.

(15:38):
So whatever you take out of this is going to
transfer into the next test. And I use the example
the other day with Lavashane has been so sadly out
a form over in Australia, and I just said, well,
in that situation, don't give him ten more net sessions.
Give him one one innings against the Prime Minister's game
to get it right. I don't care who you drop
out of the side. This is about getting your best

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national side prepared and he should have gone gone back
and done that, so fair play. He got some months
this innings, but it's the same sort of principle Steve.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's been so great to chat y. I'm so glad
you had a great time over the side of the ditch.
Safe travels home and thanks for taking our call this afternoon.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
No worries, Jase, that's aspect you.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Now good to talk to you too, Steve. Thanks indeed,
Steve Rixson there, former Australian wo could keeper, former Black
Caps coach nineteen ninety seven through two thousand. She's just
refreshing listen to listening to him talk. Isn't it still
the energy that's there he hasn't you know? He left
this team in two thousand. It's been over twenty five
years since he was the coach and he's still calling

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us us. I love that, But just the energy and
the passion and just I don't know, and this the
invigoration that I got. You can imagine Steve Rixson at
the helm of a team, right, You can imagine that
that conversation that he had with that team after they
lost the first Test in nineteen ninety nine. You can

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imagine his enthusiasm permeating throughout the team. You've heard, Steve Rickson,
You've been listening in and watching what's going on at
the base and time for your views now eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is our number. And as I've just
alluded to, there has been another wicket unfortunately at the
base in reserve US. All of works is over. Yeah,

(17:22):
this one's.

Speaker 8 (17:26):
That's the end of Kane Williamson.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
So Kane Williamson out for four, Devin Conway earlier out
without scoring. New Zealander thirty two for two with Tom
Latham and rich and Ravendra together at the wicket, Tom
Latham's done the majority of the scoring. He's on twenty
four not out. Rutch and Revender has yet to score,
has only faced the one delivery. As I say, you've

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been watching, listening, taking it all in time for your views.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty Yesterday was a very deflating
day for New Zealand cricket fans, wasn't it. Losing five
wickets for thirty nine to be all out one two
five and then being absolutely flayed for three hundred and
seventy eight runs while only taking five wickets. The Test

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was taken away from us yesterday. The absolute best we
can hope for now is an honorable drawer, and there
is a lot of cricket to be played before we
can do that. We're not even at the half way
stage time wise in this Test match yet. This is
only day three and we're not even at lunch yet.
There's a bit of rain forecast this afternoon, but none

(18:32):
tomorrow or on Tuesday, So the weather isn't going to
be much of a help to us. Somebody has to
go big and more importantly dig in and bat for
hours and hours and hours. It's just another indicasion, as
I say, of how under Brendan McCullum, England have changed
the way Test cricket is played, to be at this
point of the Test match without even half of it played.

(18:54):
Three quick points from me before we go to the lines. One.
I feel gutted for Tim Southey, as I said yesterday.
He's been absolutely outstanding for New Zealand over a very
period and Steve Rixon made the point there too, one
of our best ever bowlers. But the way that his
career is tapering off and the predetermined farewell series which

(19:16):
is very quickly going downhill, threatened to tarnish that legacy.
In the series, he's got four wickets for two hundred
and forty six runs. He's going for five and over
in this latest innings. He bowled fewer overs than anyone else,
even Glenn Phillips bowled more overs than Tim Southey. Apart
from sentiment, what justification can there possibly be now to

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retain him for the third Test number two. Glen Phillips
needs to beat above Tom Blundell twice now in three innings.
He's been left not out at the end. There's only
so much value in saying hey bats well with the tail,
he bats well full stop, should be at number six.
Tom Blundele's form just adds another reason to this. I
swiped those two around and three. Unless New Zealand shows

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some real backbone with the bat in this beckon innings,
and even if they do. From here, Will Young must
play in Hamilton, must play, must play two hundred and
forty four runs in India at close to fifty man
of the series, inexplicable, criminal, verging on embarrassing that he
is carrying the drinks while our top order have had

(20:24):
so many issues in this series. I actually don't care
who drops out, really, but someone has to. Devin Conway
just looks woefully out of form. I love him as
a batter and as a cricketer, but two, eight, eleven
and nought are not the numbers to keep you on
the team. Will Young's got to play in Hamilton. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two on
text twelve twenty seven Dallas. Hold there, We're with you

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right after this. A spare line for you too, Oh
eight hundred eighty, ten eighty.

Speaker 9 (20:50):
He's more than just a game.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
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Speaker 2 (20:59):
Be bang on twelve thirty talking cricket on Weekend Sport. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty, thanks for holding Dallas.
Good afternoon.

Speaker 10 (21:06):
Yeah, hi, Finny. A great interview with Rixen And I
was thinking, if only we had him now something like that.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, you know, it just it's just got a bit
of it's just got a bit about him, isn't he.

Speaker 10 (21:17):
Yeah, can you imagine him with Brenda McCallum as captain
And would have been that would have been something, wouldn't it?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
It would have what have And you look at the
way Brendan. I know Brendan's not quite as openly demonstrative
as Steve Rixon, but I feel like he's got the
same sort of I don't know character, and you know, yeah, anyway, anyway,
we digress.

Speaker 10 (21:36):
And they think outside the square. But at the moment, well,
first of all, we've got to give credit to England.
This is a strong I think this is the best
English team I've ever seen. Actually, it's very balanced and
cars has just got laid them out, just caught and bold,
so thirty three for three now. But it's a strong

(21:59):
English team and we've got to give credit to them.
You know, they bat right down, they bat right down
to ten or eleven and they their bowling is so balanced.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, so oh no, dullas without question. And that's when
we can't be chilish enough to just say how you know,
how mediocre we've been without looking at the opposition. Then
but then you look at the team and you think, okay,
how many of the players in that eleven in twenty
years from now are going to be regarded as all
time greats. Obviously Joe Root will be oli Pope, Howry

(22:36):
Brook might. But then you look at that oos Ben
Stokes perhaps, but a guy like cass he's only played
a handful of Test matches, showed Basha that the spinner
hasn't really you know, hasn't really played that much. Even
the guy like Jacob Beth only in his third Test. Yes,
they're a good team, but you look at some of
the England teams we've played in the past with some
of the real greats of the game and the combinations

(22:57):
of them, and yeah, look that they're good. They're good,
but are they generationally great?

Speaker 10 (23:02):
To know, well, that's a good point that they playing
well to ten And I think it's the mindset. I mean,
look at how Joe rut got its hundred today her
over I know.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, look, and it's just being enabled by Brendan McCallum.
I don't like the phrase bears ball either, and I
know he absolutely hates it, but whatever you call it,
the way he is, he is, you know, enabling this
team to play the way they are is I mean it's,
first of all, it's fantastic to watch, but it also
makes you think, wouldn't it be great if he was
he was our coach?

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (23:36):
That brings us to New Zealand. I mean we've just
got such a conservative approach. This, This whole thing about
Souy taking a new ball because he's a senior player.
I mean this is so old fashioned. You know, you
get the new ball to your quick as bowler who's
steaming in one hundred and forty in the at least

(23:57):
one hundred.

Speaker 11 (23:58):
And forties every ball.

Speaker 10 (24:00):
Yeah, and you've got Saudi who's struggling to bowl one
hundred and thirty.

Speaker 11 (24:07):
What's that about.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, we know, we know his weapon is his swing
and obviously a new ball swings more Dallas. But as
Steve Rixon said, we know when the opening batsmen are
advancing down the pitch in the first over to have
a go at you, you know you you perhaps have
to re examine things. Thanks for your call mate, as
you alluded to a third wicket at the basin and
here comes cars. Oh, this one's greened.

Speaker 8 (24:30):
We well, I thought initially it was off the pad,
but it was the batspoons straight back up to cars
and lay them falls for twenty four runs.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, so this is not going well at all. Thirty
eight for three. The target is five hundred and eighty three.

Speaker 7 (24:49):
Hello, Rich, it's pretty I don't really know what to say.

Speaker 12 (24:56):
Finey, It's just I just after what happened yesterday and
how we kind of were bowled out in England kind
of just took it away from us and means I
just want us to go out there and just bat time.
Even if we're never we're not going to chase the
target down. But I just want our batsmen to just
knuckle down and actually give it to the English and

(25:16):
actually show some sort of fight. It just when you
look at our team now, they just look down. They
just look lacked in confidence. And I just struggled to
go from a three nilk series in India to that,
and you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Sorry, well, I mean that's a that's a great opportunity,
isn't it for somebody to go big someone. I mean,
there's so much time someone can say you're right, I'm
going out there today, right, and Revender and Daryl Mitchell,
I guess are the two there at the moment they
could say, you know what, I'm going to get a
triple one hundred here.

Speaker 12 (25:48):
And it just when you look at us now, I
just I can't see us spatting the rest of this day.
I kind of see us getting out for under two hundred.
And that's kind of hard to say that. I just
you know, the thing is hippointed. We've got one more
test and then after that we don't have test cricket
to the middle of the next year against them Babwe
and then after it's West Indy's. I just there's got

(26:08):
to be some sort of accountability here where you know
once this his here is over. You know, people like
Gary Stead and our and our batting coach Luke Ronkey
and have ask the tough questions and say, hey, what's
going on here? This is just it's not good enough
because you know, when it comes to our all blacks pointy,
we we held bent when they're losing. We put so

(26:30):
much heat on them because there are a number one sport.
But you know crickets are number one spot in summer
and the heat we've got to we've got to push
on to here and say, you know, get Gary said
on your show and say, hey mate, what's going on here?
Because it's just the same old, same old. We just
do the same conservative approach. We just we play four
seamors at home. We never we never develop a spinner.

(26:51):
You go look at our overseas spinners that have come
out here in the last couple of years. They've got wickets.
What do we do We play a half, we play
a part time spinner. It's just we do the same
thing every time at home at summer and nothing changes
the change pointing.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, and it was that was fine when it was working.
You know, when we had Bolt Saudi Wagner at the
top of their game, and then Kyle Jamison joined the
party and all of a sudden we were terrific with
a four prong seam attack. That was fine because we're winning,
we're winning series at home. But you know, the in
more recent times, you know, a first ever lost to
Bangladesh in a in a in a test match here,

(27:27):
you know, last season, last summer's some series against South Africa.
I'm not sure can really be counted too highly because
of the strength of the side Australia came here, we
had the chance to beat them, didn't. But these these
Test matches here just just the conservatism. You're right, and
look when we're not gonna we're not gonna win this Test,

(27:48):
we're almost certainly not going to draw it. So we're
going to be too nil down going to Hamilton that there,
what what what would be what would be the point
of rolling out the same eleven again? Why don't you
just bring in four or five guys? You know, why
don't you bring in I don't know, like a Mitch
Hay or a recent Idio one. He's only just a
right in Canterbury. Why wouldn't you give well, younger game.
He's got to get a game. Just do you know

(28:10):
your tunnel down, You're gonna lose this series anyway, do
something different.

Speaker 12 (28:14):
I mean, at the end of the day, this is
one more test we've got until the middle of next year.
What is wrong with trying to, as you say, bringing
a Mitch Hay, bring in young and say, you know,
have a go and see how that runs out. But
it's just you know, as I said to yesterday pointing
about Tim Soudy, Hey, I've loved Tim Soudie. He's been
a great player, but I just think that just the

(28:35):
way this career has ended for him is it does
leave a sound taste in the mouth. It's kind of like,
are we actually respecting this test series or it doesn't
seem like that to me. It's just like, you know,
he'll he'll if we lose three nil next teas, we'll
put Tim Saldy on our shoulders to say great week,
Tim Southey, But it's kind of like, thank you for
your service. But what was the last couple of weeks meant? Yeah,

(28:58):
it just seems like a flap in the face of
the fans. Are they actually listening. It's like it just
feels like a club side to me finding that, Oh no,
we'll just stick to the saying eleven and I just
I'm sorry, mate.

Speaker 13 (29:09):
I love my I love my Test cricket, but you know,
I struggle to understand what's the mindset of Gary Stead
and now and the rest of them going into the
Test says.

Speaker 12 (29:20):
With the same eleven And I don't know. It's we've
got to make some sort of change because ctest career
has to change. I mean, you go look at how
England are playing this, but we're just the whole bolt
Southy and Wagner is gone and it's over now. It's
about time we start looking at developing a spinner and
playing them in all conditions because other teams are doing

(29:42):
it but we're not. And going from there, it's the
same situation with day jes Tell goes over at the
end of a couple of years ago and then he
get stopped beca doesn't play it at home. Yeah, something, I
don't get it. I really don't.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
You knock it on your I mean, look, and your
passion is what's needed in any sport, right. A sport
needs passionate fans. There's nothing worse than ambivalence, and so
you're allowed to be annoyed, frustrated, confused and questioned things
when they don't go your why and you think to yourself,
why can't we just be a bit innovative. The spinner

(30:16):
at home thing has been it will never change. If
a bloke can't get picked for the test after he
gets ten in a earnings then I'm telling you right
now we're never gonna play a spinner regularly at home.
There you get, Karen, Hello.

Speaker 14 (30:34):
Morning, sorry afternoon. Finally a couple of things you started.
You spoke about him Saudi in his legacy. I think
that legacy was already spoilt. I played third great trick
for a club and we talked about this regularly every
time at training, and guys they're already saying, questioning why
he's even playing. So that just shows you the value
of somebody like a trend boat and Neil Virgnaw who

(30:59):
held one end up. So I'll take a step back.
I know hindsight's a great thing, but why was Neil Wagner.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Made to retire?

Speaker 14 (31:07):
Potentially because you had pins strength, but I don't see
that past bawling pen strength. Guy Jameson's injured. I don't
know if it's got google liners. Who's that past bowler
from Hawk's Bay. They've played him, but they're not playing
him anymore. I don't like the look of Matan Smith.
I don't think he's a cut out. Yeah, he's a
good seam bowler at home, but not away from h

(31:28):
Not away from home, he's not a long term prospect.
That's one is you've lost strength bowls and that's why
Tim Saudi the other end, has become benefective.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, just cour on, just before you met your second
point on all sid side of that is that Bolton
Wagner also benefited from sau the at the top of
his game as well. But yet the point stands.

Speaker 14 (31:48):
Yeah, hundred percent right, It's it's a symbiotic relationship, right yeap,
So that's one too. You spoke about a spinner. I
failed to understand why a just but is not playing
a spinner. Now you could argue Ossie conditions are also
not benducive to spin bawling. They have been reducing the
best spin ballers in the world how because they they

(32:10):
play the spinners at home? Yep, why do we not
play a spinner at home?

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Please?

Speaker 14 (32:16):
Somebody explain this to me.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
I can't explain it to you. Karan. You're right though,
and I've said this a lot about Nathan Lyne. It
can be the dirtiest green seema in the world. And
he's he plies every taste match. He plies every taste match.

Speaker 14 (32:29):
Yes, even if he's holding one end up. You know
that's also a role to do for You're not going
to play your spinners at home. You'll never develop a
spinner anyway. I'm going to sound repetitive, so I'm going
to stop talking about the spinner. But I mean we
won in India. I'm in there myself, so I mean
it was great to wash, it was great for Test cricket,
and that was a great performance. But you've got to change.

(32:50):
Your previous caller was one hundred percent right, got It's
changed the way we approach home test matches. It's embarrassing.

Speaker 15 (32:55):
You know.

Speaker 14 (32:55):
I put on Summer equals Cricket. I put on the
telly at eleven am and I see this on Way.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
What is happening?

Speaker 14 (33:02):
The third point batting beaving Conway has been given too
long a leash. He's been given too many lives. He
needed to go he really needs to have a deep
look at his gaming. Maybe he needs a break. Who knows,
who knows what's going on there? A man who scores
two hundred on debut has enormous potential. You should play him,
but he's been given too many turns and so he

(33:24):
needs to go. Will Young needs to come in again.
I don't understand something. Who scored two hundred plus runs
in India? What was the average forty plus forty eight?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
No, but so basically fifty? Yeah, why is he not
playing again? I cannot explain it, Kuran.

Speaker 14 (33:41):
So those are my points. I mean, it's I was
I'm from Oakland. I was going to go down to
Hamilton to watch Jimmy's last Test match, which I still will,
but it's I've got a star taste.

Speaker 10 (33:51):
In my mouth.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Thank you for calling Karan, drive safely. I appreciate your
thoughts very well articulated. Please call again. Oh right on
hundred and aty ten, Audi's own number twelve forty two.
We'll get into the Bison Andrew Ortison with us when
we come back on Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
The Tough Questions after Turf Weekends for it with Jason
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Speaker 2 (34:12):
Dogs fourteen to one on text. Come on, Wellington, where's
the rain? We need plenty for the next three days.
Andrew Ordison's in Wellings and any rain around orders.

Speaker 16 (34:24):
Greetings, Piney. Yes, there is some forecast turn out just
swirling around towards the Cooks straight as we speak. It'll
come in eventually from the northwest, so in another hour's
time that could be there. But New Zealand's going to
need it.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Piney.

Speaker 16 (34:39):
Here at the moment where it is, I think it's
jerrel much like you cut another four through the gully,
but that takes them through to at nineteenth Mitchell, New
Zealand fifty seven for three, but they're chasing a monumental
five eighty three for victory here after England declared at
four twenty seven for six.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Piney, tell us about the first hour or so this morning,
the conclusion of England's innings, which included the the Century
to Joe Root bringing it up in typical Brandon McCullum
coached at Team fashion with a ramp shot.

Speaker 16 (35:16):
That's right, nothing changes there and that ethos. But what
I would say it was a comical at times because
you had this situation and whenever Stokes came on strike,
you ended up with a ring field. Albeit there was
a backward point which was fulfilled by Nathan Smith or
Tim Sawley at various junctures, but it just had this

(35:37):
holding patent field to it before the declaration was made.
Fine it but Joe Rude eventually getting there for his century.
Ben Stokes finishing on forty nine not out, but then
he's struggling immediately of course out of form at the
moment Devin Conway dismissed for a duck and then Chris
Woke's giving the key wicket of Caine winnings before getting

(35:57):
them to feather an edge to keep it. Olie Pope
and then he had also the dismissal Cordon bowl. Brighton
Calfe came into the attack, got a court and bowl
from a leading edge Tom Layton for twenty four. So
New Zealand struggling here on this the day and you
know we're not even halfway through the Test.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, that's that's the point that's been made a lot
is that you know the weigh England play their Test cricket.
They advanced these games so quickly that you're right. We
don't get to the half way test by time anyway
until midway through the afternoon session today. Look, let's let's
try and spin this positively. Can you see Darryl Mitchell
or rich and Ravendra or perhaps Tom Blundell or Glenn

(36:33):
Phillips batting and batting and batting for the next day
and a half.

Speaker 16 (36:38):
Well, I'm going to reach deep into by Pollyanna here
and try and find something there for you. On that note, Look,
while they're still at the crease, there's always hope, isn't that?
And you think about well, put it this way. I
was looking at it this morning. You think that New
Zeal's highest total in a fourth innings which was four
hundred and fifty one, albeit at a loss against England
at Lancaster Park in two thousand and two, and that

(36:59):
was the test where Nathan Estall just ping those amazing
shots echoing around, ricocheting around the park for his two
hundred and twenty two. So they could be seeing entertainment
to come. Who knows, but five eighty three that's a
tall order when you think Piney, I mean it's already
stood for what twenty one years there four hundred and
eighteen to seven, the Western Thees being Australia in Antigua

(37:20):
in two thousand and three. That's your absolute peak at
the stage to win a Test match. So it's a
big ask the other world tenders. You draw the Test
in a bit like England in the nineteen thirty nine
Timeless Test across ten days in Durham against South Africa
where they had to take the train to get the
boat home from Cape Town. They were six hundred and
fifty four for five. They needed forty two or something

(37:41):
like that for victory at that particular jumps here, but
they had had to down tools and he's the.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Train is I think Polyan used to used to call
it the glad game. It's good to have a bit
of the glad game. This is it right up there? Yeah,
this is a good England side. Is it a great
England side?

Speaker 17 (37:57):
No?

Speaker 16 (37:58):
I don't think so, but it's getting up there. I mean,
Plus they're putting together a fairly. I mean it's a
work in progress, I would say in that regard. He
developed some great players and you look at those who've
come into the ranks over this mccallumire. You see ride
and Cass. You see the efforts even with Harry Brook
but even take a bet will just pick sort of

(38:18):
obscurity really in terms of a red ball perspective delivering
with his ninety six almost getting to a ton. There's
a number of quality players in that outfit. And with
the leadership of Strokes and said, you've got some senior
players here, Joe Roots and Chris Folkes and the Light,
they really are putting it together comprehensively here at the
baseminent res of just as they did at Hagley Park

(38:40):
last week or hanging overal And It's yeah, they're formidable
really and they've really got it over in New Zealand
at the moment, even if they think New Zealand's come
away from this historic victory in India, but England just
seemingly knowing how to crush across the beast out of
New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Side.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Thanks Audus, you get some lunch and you we'll do
a rain Dancer. There's a bit of rain at why
can I beat? I'm told here on text which is
about fifty eight to your north. So maybe they'll arrive
at some stage. We'll talk to you in a couple
of hours or so.

Speaker 16 (39:08):
Indeed, I did see some blue stuff on the on
the rain radar coming through, so we'll see what happened.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Good Man Andrew Ordison there our man at the basement reserve.
Read him at MZ Herald dot co dot NZ nine
away from one new stalks edb.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Breaking down the hail Mary's and the epic fields weekends
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Speaker 2 (39:28):
Five and a half to one. Back to the basins
cast comes in again, Bolster Novendra nix it behind and
that is the end of Novendra. It was short and
tried to force it.

Speaker 11 (39:37):
Off the back, but it bounced on him and in
the end the catch was taken by Pope.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
It was a simple catch. So rach and Ravendra the
latest man to depart. He's not going to be the
one who gets the triple century out for six. So
back in the back in the hatch Latham for twenty four,
Conway without scoring, Williamson for four and now rich and
Revendra for six. Tom Blundele's come out to join Daryl
Mitchell has actually been looking all right. Twenty or fifteen

(40:05):
balls including four boundaries for Darryl Mitchell. But there is
so much work to do, so much work to do well.
It would be a very good time to break out
of a form slump. For Tom Blundell, you have to say,
Brighton cass another wicket for him. He's got two for eleven,
two for eleven in this innings. This of course after

(40:25):
he took ten wickets in the first Test and in
the first innings at the basin four for forty six.
So what's that sixteen wickets in three and a half
or thereabouts innings for a bloke who's really only just
arrived on the Test scene. So Brighton cars is enjoying
himself here in New Zealand. The home batters not quite

(40:46):
so much. So Mitchell and Blundel together with about four
minutes to go until lunch and a mountain to climb,
a mountain to climb for New Zealand if they are
to save this Test match and keep this series alive
heading to Hamilton, it is looking less and less likely
all the time. After one o'clock we'll shift our focus

(41:06):
to rather more positive matters. That is, if you are
an Auckland FC football fan. A win yesterday meant six
in a row for Auckland FC to start their life
in the A League Men's competition, a thrilling derby against
Wellington Phoenix two to one in front of a capacity
crowd of twenty six thousand plus at go Media Stadium.
Michael Burgess is going to join us from the New

(41:29):
Zealand Herald to give us his reaction and his experience there. Yesterday.
Steve Elks on the show as well. He's had an
absolutely tremendous year on the PGA Champions Tour, winning it
for the second time in three years and he's coming
home to try and win the New Zealand Open. James
mcconey between one and two as well.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
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Speaker 2 (42:04):
A'd be hello down, Welcome in one o seven. I'm
Jason Pine, Bevan Jewett producing today. In an hour or so.
Sir Richard Hadley on the show and ducted into New
Zealand Crickets Hall of Fame on Thursday. Had a chat
to Sir Richard shortly after that. Looking forward to playing
that out for you. He is certainly sharp as attack,

(42:24):
Sir Richard. This hour, Steve Elker is on the show.
He's coming home for the twenty twenty five New Zealand
Golf Open. He's had a terrific twenty twenty four, wants
to win his home open last keep me to do
it Michael Henry twenty seventeen and Steve Elker do it
in twenty twenty five. He's going to join us for
an very surely we'll look back at the Aleg Derby.

(42:46):
And James mconey is on the show as well this hour,
as he always is between one and two on our Sundays,
to give us his irreverent look at the sporting issues
of the day. So New Zealand, as you heard in
our Sports news, have gone to lunch on day three
at the basin fifty nine for four, fifty nine for four,
needing these matter of five hundred and twenty four more

(43:08):
runs to win this Test match and only six wickets
left Darryl Mitchell unbeaten. On twenty Tom blundeles out there
but yet to face a ball. They will resume at
around one point forty. We will keep you right up
to date with that. It's just gone eight past one.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
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Speaker 2 (43:33):
Take cam fum storming brilliance gave a football electric glue
in the derby. Six on the bounce for Auckland f C.

Speaker 7 (43:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Six in a row for Auckland f C. Their winning
A league runs six games a two to one win
over the Wellington Phoenix at Mount Smart yesterday. Auckland goals came.
Auckland's goals came via an own goal in the first
half from Phoenix defender Isaac Hughes and a second half
header from Nando Pine. For the first time. They conceded
cost of Barbarussa striking late in the second half, but

(44:11):
not enough. Auckland held on to win a thrilling encounter
to one. New Zealand Herald football writer Michael Burgess was
on hand to witness it all play out. You can
read him at enzid Herald dot co dot enz He
joins us now Birch, can we start with the occasion yesterday?
How would you describe it?

Speaker 11 (44:30):
Get our pony? Yeah, I thought, I thought it was amazing.
I really did like like sometimes these things might not
quite live up to the hype, and there's a lot
of hype ahead of this match, but it truly did.
It was just we were talking after the game, weren't
we It didn't really feel like New Zealand. It felt
that we were somewhere else, were in Argentina or England
or somewhere where fans go a bit crazy. Because the singing,

(44:56):
the chanting, the band, to the emotion, there was really
something special in the air. The large continuent of Phoenix fans,
probably about fifteen hundred imagine, they really made the occasion,
I thought, because they were providing, you know, that section
of away fans. You don't often get New Zealand's sported contest.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
So that was magic.

Speaker 11 (45:17):
And just I don't know everything about it. And then
as you just said, the game kind of lived up
to it as well. Sometimes derby games can be stalemate,
can be very tight, but it was pretty open, lots
of action. So yeah, it was just a wonderful and
quite a novel occasion.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, it wasn't. And I've been trying to unpick exactly
how this has happened so quickly the Darby. You think
you're right. I think we're going to give kudos to
the traveling fans and when you're you know, around the world,
that's often what makes an occasion like a football game,
you know, really fizz is the fact that there are
some away fans who make a lot of noise. But
how have Auckland FC so quickly generated this fan base

(45:58):
that is so different from I think that's probably I
don't think Yellow Fevers it took them ages to get
to you know, to get to the sweet spot of
their life. How have Awkland the FC done it so quickly?

Speaker 11 (46:11):
That's one of the big questions, isn't it. I mean,
Yellow Fever did provide a template. So you've got to
give credit to yellow Fever because they've provided you know,
they've shown what what real passionate fandom is about. But
as you say, it built up over a long time. Awklanle' said,
we're very smart. They engage with the port very early.
They've got a very heavy presence on social media, so

(46:34):
they've tapped into to that sort of young market and
most of the port from what I see, are quite young.
The results have helped and mount smart is quite a
good setup for creating that atmosphere. But it's pretty amazing
Piney that people care so much about this team already.
You know, it's not it's not it's not fake, it's

(46:58):
really genuine. And the other thing that I'm equally is
amazed about is this rivalry, Like it's it's so new.
You know, Orkan's played their first game two months listened
two months ago. They've only been in distance for less
than a year, so it's so new, this rivalry. But
it feels really genuine between these two clubs. Normally these
things take a while to develop, but this is I

(47:20):
don't know, it feels like it's one of the best
rivalries in New Zealand sport. It really does.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Oh look, I could not agree more. I read that
in your piece this morning, and you're so right. The
tension between these clubs, you know, the back and forth
during a week and also what happened on the park.
I mean you could see just one example yesterday Alex
Ruffer and and you know coming together with Louis Toomey
after something to me did in the last derby. It
feels as though, you know, the narrative is already being written,

(47:47):
and I think everybody's now wondering when the next one is.

Speaker 11 (47:51):
Yeah, I mean, I just I just wish there was
four derbies this season, like another one and willing to
and really top it off. But you're exactly right, because
because we wondered if we truly see this, this made
against mate thing that you see the Manchester Derby, the
Liverpool Derby, all these other ones. But we did you know,
in the first five minutes yesterday, cost of Barbaroussis barreled

(48:14):
in Tornando Pineker barreled them over. And they've been teammates
in the Wits for years, you know, I'm sure they're
good friends, have been playing together for five six years.
But you know, Costers were in yellow, Nandez were in blue,
and when you cross that white line, it all changes.
So I just I just think that the recipe is

(48:36):
already there. It's a it's a Marketer's dream. And like
you say, there's already narratives around this. There's already narratives
around you know, the Phoenix Keeper having a couple of
unfortunate moments. There's already a couple of villains, and there's
a couple of heroes. So it's just unfolding unfolding perfectly.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Did you think Auckland FC deserved to win the game?

Speaker 11 (48:58):
They did?

Speaker 5 (48:59):
They did.

Speaker 11 (48:59):
I think they were they were the they were the
better team. They handled their casion a bit better. Again,
it's felt that the occasion got to the Phoenix to
some degree, but it also felt for the Phoenix. I
think they'll leave with some regrets. If that game had
ended a draw, people would have been saying, yeah, okay,

(49:21):
that's probably fair enough too. So I thought the Phoenix
played a lot better than they did in Wellington. They
created some good some good moments, but you know, two
two really unfortunate, probably Paul goals to concede in this
type of game, especially the first one, that's so deflating.

(49:42):
So it felt like they didn't bring their best again,
some of the some of their senior players let them down.
Auckland went, Auckland went perfect, but they were just they
were just a bit more together when it mattered.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
They did consider goal. Finally, it was interesting afterwards they
won the game, but you know, listening to the thoughts
of Dan Hall, for example, who actually held his hand
up to say the guy gave the ball away that
led to Wellington's goal, that they were disappointed that this
long clean sheet streak, that that fashion had finally come
to an end. I guess that speaks to something deeper

(50:16):
than the side when even in victory you're still a
bit disappointed.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Yeah, I think it does.

Speaker 11 (50:22):
They were so proud of this clean sheet streak because
it's pretty amazing. Anyone who follows football knows how hard
it is to keep that sort of thing going, and
the Defenders club in particular, we're just loving the fact
that they hadn't conceded, so for one of them to
be at fault, they took it pretty hard. And also
because they'd made it till the eighty first eighty second minute,

(50:46):
hadn't they So so we're all we're going to do
it again. But it does show the just the level
that Auckland have brought to this in terms of the standards.
You know, they look back to your other question, it
is quite amazing, not just the fact that Auckland have
built this fan base, but also what they built on

(51:08):
the field. You know, they've built this culture, this cohesion,
this environment. It sort of still feels to me this
season that actually Wellington feel like the newer team. It
feels that to me Wellington will take longer to gel
this season and the Phoenix get a lot better, but
they're still they're still gelling because they fair enough, they
did have that massive turnover players in the off season.

(51:31):
But yeah, it feels like Auckland have found their structure faster.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
After the game. In the postmatch media conference that you
and I were both at, Auckland coach Steve Coricker called
his Phoenix counterpart gim Calo Italiano disrespectful in the wake
of some comments that Jihn Callo Italiana made during the week.
Steve Corker said he used them as pre match motivation
for his squad, pin them up on the dressing room wall,

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no less burds. What did you make of all of that?

Speaker 11 (52:00):
I mean, you know, for us in the media and
for fans, it's great. And we talk about now arrative.
This is another one, you know, the good old putting
them up in the wall. We kind of thought those
days were gone. You know, that's just sort of from
the the eighties and nineties. Look at what those bastards.

Speaker 18 (52:16):
Said about us.

Speaker 11 (52:18):
But still it still works. And as Craker said in
a derby, every little inch matters, and that was definitely
definitely motivation. Uh and and you know the other thing
about this is that gin Carlo and Steve, you know,
they've they've known each other a long time. They're kind of,
you know, they're not I guess they're not mates at

(52:39):
the moment, but but they've been you know, acquaintances and
kind of friends. So so that's probably what really got
to Caracer as well, was he thought, wait a minute,
you know, we we deserve a bit more respect. There
was an interesting thing to say, but but I like
gin Carlo because he's very honest. He's very honest, and
that that definitely spiced up the derby. You wouldn't want

(52:59):
him to lose a bit of their honesty. But yeah,
I guess you can debate, you can debate his comments.
The main thing he was saying, maybe the word lucky
was a bit, a bit I'm not right to use,
but he was mainly just saying that the Auckland have
benefited from a from what he sees as a soft
schedule to start the season, which has given them this

(53:19):
this momentum. And obviously Corker took umbrage at that, as
well as some other comments. But yeah, that that topped
off the night, didn't it, Because you've got things that
you just do not normally hear coaches say.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
In New Zealand Sports absolutely gonna play Cracker's comments in
just a moment, just to finish thy burge. Are Auckland
FC actually title contenders in their first season?

Speaker 11 (53:41):
Yeah? We we probably didn't think that. You know, I
remember speaking to you about this a few months ago, Piney,
and we sort of thought, you know, they've got a
good roster. But you know, it's way too much to ask. Look,
it's it's way too early to to really know. But
they've done everything they can to be taken seriously. I mean,

(54:03):
there's a couple of things you'd say. Number one, no
team is going to want look forward to coming to
Mount Smart and there's really not many teams that you
can see that are going to take points from Mount
Smart if Auckland keep up these levels. You know, Auckland
they've got big tests away in Melbourne City this week,
but if they get through that and they've got Western

(54:24):
United at home the week after, they'll they'll get past
Christmas still unbeaten. So you know, momentum is a big thing.
At some stage, they'll hit the wall with injuries with
maybe a suspension. And also they look like a they
look like a super fit team. The fitness base has
been incredible, and sometimes when you're so fit to start
the season, at some point later in the season, maybe

(54:45):
you know that that takes a toll. But you'd have
to say they are there in the mix. And the
thing that the scary thing is for their opponents is
you know they're only going to get better.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yes, indeed, a frightening thought. Hey, Bird's great to see yesterday.
Thanks for taking agg all this afternoon. We'll see in
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 11 (55:04):
Yeah, thanks Pinning, Thanks a lot, mate.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Michael Burger just read ham at enzit hereld dot co
dot z.

Speaker 18 (55:09):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Steve Corcis comments afterwards. Here they are. Jim Caloteliano had
said during the weeks, as Michael Burgess just pointed out
that he thought Auckland had been lucky in the first
six six games of the season, or the first five
games up until yesterday. Here was Steve coracis response to
that after yesterday's game.

Speaker 19 (55:28):
Yeah, I'm a little bit disappointed, to be honest with you.
With Chief you mentioned a couple of things in the
media which you know a little bit disrespectful to our team.
You know that they were there for the taking. We've
been lucky. We haven't been lucky. You know, you need
a little bit of luck obviously to win games, but
we won all six, so you know you don't get

(55:48):
lucky by doing that. There's you know, the process you
have to go through. Obviously we've had a few home
games early on, but at the back end of the
season we still have to play the same amount of
games away from homes. And I don't make the rules,
don't I don't do the draws. Obviously, you know we

(56:09):
were the better team, and you know I use that
in motivation for the boys as well because it helps helps.
Every little inch helps in derby games, pinned up on
the wall to make sure the players saw it, because
you know, we haven't been lucky. We've we've been working
hard for these wins. We've been playing good football. There's
probably a little bit out of wasn't necessary needed. You know,

(56:34):
I think they're a good football team. We respect then,
you know, I think he needs to show only a
bit more respect for us.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
That is the voice of Steve Coriker, head coach of
Auckland FC, after their win their second win over Wellington
Phoenix yesterday to retain their perfect record. Kevin says on
text pine I'm a diet in the world rugby fanatic.
I'll watch probably only my second ever game of New
Zealand football yesterday and loved every minute of it. Long
live the special rivalry. Yep, so true, Kevin. And can

(57:02):
I just give a quick shout out to a guy
I didn't think I'll be giving a shout out to
today with regard to the football, and that is Jeff Wilson.
We'll know Goldie Jeff Wilson, rugby commentator, rugby host on
the Breakdown, And yeah, well you know Jeff Wilson, former
All Black legend. He found out yesterday morning at ten
o'clock that, due to some circumstances beyond everybody's control, we'd

(57:26):
lost one of the team that normally presents on Sky Sport.
They rung Jeff Wilson up and said, Jeff, can you
help us out?

Speaker 7 (57:34):
Well?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I thought he did a superb job. What a pro,
you know, with only a few hours preparation. Normally you
find these things out weeks in advance. It's not his game.
He's a rugby cricket basketball guy. But the way that
he presented with such professionalism I thought was terrific. So
I've got to give big raps to Goldie for what

(57:56):
he did yesterday, one twenty three. If you were there,
I'd love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty Any thoughts on the derby, any thoughts
on how this has happened so quickly for Auckland. It
is a case study in how to very quickly generate
a passionate fan base. Because everybody who is there yesterday
is asking when can I get back to that? Winners

(58:17):
the next game? One twenty three News Talks there b
Steve Elka coming up on his return to New Zealand
to play in the New Zealand Open next year. Can
he win it? A tournament he's never won. He's won
a lot of things this year, but he's never won
the New Zealand Open. Steve Alker with a shortly on
Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
The biggest seas in sports are on Weekend Sports with
Jason Pain and GJ. Gunnohomes new Zealand's most trusted home builder.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
News Talks NB one twenty six on Weekend Sport great
news for golf fans. Steve Elk's coming home for the
twenty twenty five New Zealand Golf Open. Fresh from winning
the PGA Champions Tour overall season title for a second
time in three years. The tournament organizers have confirmed this
week that Steve Elker will tee it up again at
Millbrook in twenty twenty five and he joins us now Steve.

(59:02):
The last key to win it was Michael Henry in
twenty seventeen. Special will it be to win You're home Open?

Speaker 18 (59:09):
Oh? It'll be super special.

Speaker 20 (59:10):
I mean, you know, I'm might not be the favorite
in the field, but I'll be giving it everything. And
we're going to have an amazing field of New Zealanders
this year. I mean there's so many guys playing well
and getting some experience all over the world. So all
I can say is is just come out and support
the Kiwis and I think it's I think we're due
and let's let's get a Kiwi champion.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Ehe absolutely well. Your game seems to be in the
perfect place to achieve at twenty twenty four, another superb
year for you. What are the main reasons for your
excellent consistency on the Champions Tour.

Speaker 20 (59:45):
Yeah, well, I think you know, I'm that was my
third full season now, so you know, I'm coming on
the swing of it. I know the golf courses and
you know the competition I'm up against. There's always some
rookies coming on. We say rookies in a fifth year old,
but we've got we've got that, We've got the young
We've got the young guys coming on and they're they're
pretty hungry and wanting to win, so coming to is

(01:00:06):
getting better. So I think that's actually it feels like
it's motivated in me at least to get a little
bit better and just get the consistency and try and
give myself a chance to win every week, and that's
going to help my game and I certainly with my consistency. Anyway,
it's been it's been one of those seasons. It's been
ready consistently, had a lot of chances to win in

(01:00:27):
the thick of it, and just you know, very very
fortunate to get up at the end. So there's always
a little bit lack involved, but it was it was
nice to snatch another year end title.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
How differently are you playing now compared to when you
were younger.

Speaker 20 (01:00:43):
Yeah, differently in the fact that I think I've got
a lot more freedom when I'm on the golf course now.
You know, I might not worry about things as much.
You know, I'm getting older and just matured better. So
that's certainly one thing. And you know, I practice smarter
and you're getting older and the body that can't take
it as much, so I don't. I don't practice as much,

(01:01:05):
but I probably practice smart. So I should have started that,
like twenty five thirty years ago, mate, I would have
been a right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Are you perhaps less hard on yourself now compared to
earlier in your career?

Speaker 18 (01:01:17):
Yes, yeah, definitely definitely.

Speaker 20 (01:01:18):
And you know if I if I go back, you know,
twenty five years and give myself some advice, that would
be definitely one thing that I would do.

Speaker 18 (01:01:27):
And you know.

Speaker 20 (01:01:28):
That's right when I'm talking to other Kiwis or youngsters,
you know, try and to install that into them because
golf is such a game. Well every sport is now
it's so competitive, but golf more so. You just you know,
it's a mental game and you want to you want
to just beat yourself up sometimes for not doing what
you want to do and you know, it's it becomes
a tough game and it wears on your pretty well.

(01:01:50):
So yeah, if you can, I think I'm doing that better.
You know, I'm not so hard on myself, and I
think the environment I'm in now actually helps with that,
you know, playing with the guys and it's a little
more relaxed. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's competitive,
but just just that environment and is huge and I'm
enjoying it, you know. That's that's the big thing, just
just trying to enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Can that realization and self awareness really only come with experience, though, Steve?
I mean, look, it's great advice, and I'm sure any
golfer of any age would love to be able to
not be that hard on themselves. But can that only
come through maturity?

Speaker 12 (01:02:23):
If you like?

Speaker 18 (01:02:25):
Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 20 (01:02:26):
But I think that the young guys coming out now,
I've got a lot more of that. I think they've
got they've got better at that. You look at the
young guys and in the world of golf now, there's
there's a lot of really really good young players. I
mean that the talents is incredible and it's got a
lot closer and I think guys are just getting better

(01:02:46):
at that, and they're just they're trying to They're out
there to win.

Speaker 18 (01:02:50):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:02:51):
I think when I got out there and first started,
I kind of felt like I need a year or
two to kind of get get get my feet and
feelm away. But now the guys just coming out and
they're ready. They're coming out of college or they're they're
they're getting some experience that we kind of never had
and they're ready to go. And I think that that's
a mental thing that's that's changed a lot in the

(01:03:12):
young guys for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
And so as you've gotten more experienced, have you focused
more now on the efficiency of your shots compared to
say your clubhead speed?

Speaker 20 (01:03:23):
Yeah, definitely. I kind of feel like the speed is
going to be what it is. You know, I've got
to a point where, hey, I'm not gonna I'm not
going to get to Padrick Harrington's speed or you know,
a Scottish Schefflers speed. I'm not going to get there.
So mine's more about efficiency. You know, my iron play
is improved, that's the probably the biggest part of my

(01:03:44):
game has improved the last four or five years, which has.

Speaker 18 (01:03:47):
Helped me score.

Speaker 20 (01:03:48):
And then you know, year and year out, my short
game seems to be there and getting better, and my
putting has been more consistent, and I drive it straight anyway,
So you know, all that kind of adds up to
pretty consistent, efficient stuff, and so I try to be
more that way, And that's that's why I don't practice
as much now. I kind of focus on the same

(01:04:09):
things and just try to keep doing what I've been
doing and just try and do it just a little
bit better.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
You know, you're still looking supremely fit as well, annoyingly
for those of us in our fifties and our fifty steeps.
But do you joking aside, do you have to work
on your fitness anymore now than perhaps earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
In your career.

Speaker 20 (01:04:29):
Yeah, I think so, just to maintain things, you know,
to not have that bare belly and just try and
stay in shape, get around the golf course and actually
feel good day to day. I think that's the hardest thing. Like,
you know, we only play three rounds now, but we're
still traveling and you know, in and out of hotels
and airports, and we're still doing a full week. So

(01:04:53):
if you can stay fit, just to just to do
that part of it, and stay in shape and feel
good when you go to the golf course.

Speaker 18 (01:04:59):
That's the main thing.

Speaker 20 (01:04:59):
But but for me, it's all about you know, I
want to stay in shape. I want to I want
to feel strong and and be strong and do stuff
with my kids. Now I'm getting older and that's important
to me. So yeah, that's a big part of what
I do. She probably probably even a bigger part now
than it used to be, and more important than practice.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
You know, and you're playing what about so I guess
what twenty one twenty two tournaments per year?

Speaker 21 (01:05:25):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Does that feel about the right number for the next
little while for you?

Speaker 18 (01:05:28):
Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 20 (01:05:29):
You know, it's you know, as I said, I'm feeling
pretty good and fitness is okay, so I think that's
a good number. I'm looking at the schedule for next year,
and you know, I keep coming up with twenty one
twenty two events, and I feel like I'm nipping a
few out here and there. But you know, even when
he's out and open, you know, you have to travel
down there and all those things take their toll. So

(01:05:53):
you'm planning this year is just to get down a
little bit early and play some play some golf, and
get a little bit more preparation for news in an
open week and then go from there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
All right, let's circle back there to finish Melbrook. Do
you like the call?

Speaker 18 (01:06:07):
I do?

Speaker 20 (01:06:09):
You know you've got two different golf courses, you know
that the holes up in the hill and the the
other course, which is I think is the stronger course.
I think that's where you've got to, you know, hold
your score and try and take opportunities, you know, the
other course and the flat, the old course, that's where

(01:06:31):
you can make some birdies and make it run on
on day one or day two.

Speaker 18 (01:06:35):
So yeah, you know, I grew up playing there. I
played a lot with Bob Charles.

Speaker 20 (01:06:39):
John Griffin was the director of golf there for a
long time, and I spent a lot of time down
there seeing John and playing the golf courses and and
and been in the area. So for me, it's a
special place to go back to, you know, I know
the golf course the lower of.

Speaker 18 (01:06:54):
The land, and yeah, that that helps too. Come come tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Time now, stuck your coming home a lot. I know
a lot of golf fans are looking forward to seeing
you in the flesh. Steve, all the best for the
I guess the Christmas Festive season. Look forward to seeing
down here in early in twenty twenty five. Thanks so
much for taking our call this afternoon.

Speaker 18 (01:07:10):
Yeah, thanks mate, looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Looking forward to seeing you, Steve. Thanks indeed, Steve Elker
that fresh from winning the PGA Champions to an overall
season title for a second time in three yearsg's playing
some golf at the moment, Steve Elka incredible, great to hear.
He'll be at the New Zealand Golf Open, the one
hundred and fourth edition at the Millbrook Resort in twenty
twenty five, twenty five to two, About five minutes from

(01:07:32):
coming back out onto the field at the Basin Reserve,
New Zealand are going to resume at fifty nine for four.
They still need another five hundred and twenty four runs
if they are to win this Test match. It'd be
more about trying to save it. A bit of rain
is forecast for later on today, but they are coming
back out now, so clearly the rain hasn't put paid
to play just yet. There have been various texts coming

(01:07:55):
through talking about spots of rain on windows in the
surrounding suburbs, but Tom Blundell and Daryl Mitchell are walking
back out there, the England team striding confidently back out
onto the grass. So we'll keep you up to date
with that. I'll just give you some planket shield scores
as well. While we're on the subject of cricket. There
are games happening around the country, three of them in

(01:08:18):
Mount Monganui, Northern yesterday all out for two hundred and four.
Central in reply are two hundred and forty four for four,
so I've got a first innings lead already and still
six first innings wickets in hand. Yesterday, Otago in a
lunge order bowled out for one hundred and seventeen by Canterbury.
Canterbury two ninety five for eight. In reply arese Mardi,

(01:08:39):
who've got more runs yesterday eighty seven. He didn't get
another another one hundred, it would be quite disappointed. This
is this kt out of Canterbury who's scoring all sorts
of runs and turning heads everywhere, and at Eden Park's
outer Oval, Wellington in reply to Auckland's three hundred and
twenty nine one hundred and six for four in their
first innings, so that's a deficit of about two hundred

(01:09:02):
and twenty runs there. James mcconni shortly just wanted to
zerah and though on Chris Wood, who overnight helped Nottingham
Forest achieve something they haven't done in three decades. Chris
Wood is having an absolute worldye of a season with
Nottingham Forest.

Speaker 6 (01:09:20):
What is it?

Speaker 22 (01:09:21):
The fact post Chris Woods its Chris Wood celebrates a
birth take goal and not a a Forest of It
two goal league now at Old Trufford.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
It is a goal that establishes Chris Wood on his
own now has Nottingham Forest's highest goal scorer off the
Premier League era.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
So since the Premier League came into being in nineteen
ninety two, Chris Wood is now Nottingham Forest's all time
leading Premier League goal scorer. They haven't been in the
Premier League the whole time. They've been relegated down to
the Championship, the one below the Premier League. But the
fact remains Chris Wood is now their all time leading
Premier League goal scorer. His thirty third birthday, No, Liz,

(01:10:08):
Here are his brief post match thoughts.

Speaker 9 (01:10:11):
You just celebrated your third birthday.

Speaker 23 (01:10:12):
The last time Forrest won at Old Trafford and judging
by the celebrations there, this feels like a historic day.
Will it mean a lot for the club and the
supporters who've traveled today?

Speaker 9 (01:10:24):
Definitely.

Speaker 24 (01:10:24):
I think it's sean where we've come from and where
we're wanting to get. To come to a place like
this as never easy and we want to come challenge
ourselves and believe in ourselves to get the win here,
and that's what we came to do.

Speaker 9 (01:10:36):
What areas did you try and exploit?

Speaker 24 (01:10:38):
Well, we just try to play our game and what
we were working on. It's been a long week, a
long tough week, but six point seven of nine has
been fantastic.

Speaker 23 (01:10:45):
With your header, are you're looking to hit that back
post where you're looking to get it back into the
danger zone?

Speaker 9 (01:10:51):
What was the thinking? It was a lovely cross?

Speaker 24 (01:10:53):
Look, it's just finding an area. I mean, work's put
in a beautiful ball. I mean it's pin points straight
on my head, which is nice and makes it a
lot easier. But you're just trying to find an area
that if it causes some confusion.

Speaker 9 (01:11:02):
It might drop in ten for the season.

Speaker 23 (01:11:05):
And I'm sure you're all you are now Nottingham Forest
Record Premier League goal scorer. So many congratulations. What does
that mean to you in your family?

Speaker 9 (01:11:12):
Look, it's fantastic.

Speaker 24 (01:11:14):
It's nice that I can keeping doing well for the
team and that's what I wanted to keep pushing up
and keep getting as many goals as possible for this
team and to see where it can take us.

Speaker 9 (01:11:23):
How long can you keep that record exactly?

Speaker 24 (01:11:26):
And just keep pushing as far as I can to
sit in and stone for a long period of time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
High achiever Chris Wood just doing brilliant things. It hasn't
been a straight line to get to where he is.
He's toiled away and toiled away, but he's just getting
the fruits of his labor. Our Chris Wood and still
of course leading our New Zealand side, who are back
here in New Zealand in March to try and qualify
for the twenty twenty six Football World Cup. What a

(01:11:51):
terrific I guess Swan song it might be, although who
knows Chris Wood might go on for three or four
five more years, But to take New Zealand to a
World Cup and play in another World Cup he of
course played in the World Cup in twenty ten, wouldn't
it be great to see him also there in twenty twenty.
It is twenty minutes away from two James mcconey in
his regular Sunday slot right after.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
This Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend
Sport with Jason Hin and GJ. Gunn Homes New Zealand's
most trusted oh Builder.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
News Talk seventeen away from two James mccony, a massive
part of our Sunday's alternative commentary collective crowd goes wild
all across your socials and on our radio. How are
you mate?

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
I'm great, mate.

Speaker 7 (01:12:33):
And also I see Hamilton Boys High as a big
part of your Sunday Stephen Alko, I went to school
with him. I hope you've got Scott styras stuff after.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
The news to complete the holy trinity of Hamilton Boys High.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
The beggest looking man out of Boys High, those.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Three mcony, Elka and Styrus. Who would have thought? Who
would have thought?

Speaker 18 (01:12:54):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Did you enjoy the Derby yesterday?

Speaker 7 (01:12:57):
I love the Derby, the biggest already the biggest domestic
event in New Zealand sport. Right that's twenty six thousand.
The noise of fan Fair just the best atmosphere. I
actually caught the train with the Yellow Fever only three carriages,
though Auckland Transport or whoever we should help could have

(01:13:17):
done with a few more. But even then they just
set the tone in great fan base from both both sides.
But having said that the Yellow Fever, some of their
anti Auckland songs were a little close to the bone.
For example, you're always stuck in traffic, You're always stuck
in traffic. That won't really hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Well, it is accurate though, it's fact based.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
Yeah it is. But what a game though, pony Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
A great game, a brilliant occasion. But on the grass,
you know, this rivalry is real. I thought Costa Barbarusis
has finish was excellent. I still wonder about Auckland and look,
they won the game and absolutely deserve to win the game,
but an own goal and a goal by Nander Pineker,
a center back, they're not they have They got the
cutting edge up top that they'll be after.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
That's the thing.

Speaker 7 (01:14:04):
I think they should have had more shots on goal.
They did boss the game Auckland FC, so I think
we can safely say the best team won, but they'll
be I'm sure Steve Coriker will be annoyed with maybe
just their hesitancy in front of goal. You know, they
just need to pull the trigger a bit quicker. But
there was also I mean it's pretty clear Hiroki Saka,
the Auckland captain it right back, is probably the best

(01:14:27):
player in the A League. You know, he could still
play for any club in the world. Obviously played for Marseille.
But there was just some I mean, that own goal
was crazy. I mean, poor Isaac cues the perfect hitter
into his own nets. But you could see with Kraker,
he was on your show just before saying that they
used the chiefees comments as motivation, that they were lucky

(01:14:51):
with the drawer, you know FC.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
And it just shows that it's a real battle of
the derby.

Speaker 7 (01:14:56):
It's not like a normal game of football where you
turn up and just think, oh, this is going to
be fun. They're really fired up, you know. It's like
smelling salts and UFC sort of preparation.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Yeah, I love it. I love it. It's already bubbling away.
Can't wait for the next one. In February, Chris Wood underrated, underappreciated.
I'm not sure that he is. I think we all appreciate,
you know, how good he is, but do we all
like really grasp the magnitude of what he is achieving
at this later stage of his career.

Speaker 7 (01:15:28):
We probably don't understand how big a deal. I mean,
already double figures before Christmas. He's on target to get
twenty odd goals with season and challenge for the Golden Boot.
I mean, Chris Wood. It's the confidence really that he shows.
I think you know, if you the faith that Nottingham
Forests have put in him by saying you're starting number nine,

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he just keeps on repaying it. I mean, he didn't
score many goals at Newcastle because they just didn't rate
him the way that Forest does. And as soon as
they did that, not only is he transforming their team,
I think he's transforming the league and so they will
be looking to countries like New Zealand for a big strike,
not going to be that shy about It's not always

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just going to be a little guy from Portugal, Okay,
that he is. He's changing the way that EPL teams
by players and scout players.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Yeah, it's a great point because you know, there's there's
more than one way to win a football match. Isn't
there and his way is as effectives as any other one.
Just bringing the table up now, Nottingham Forest are fifth,
you know, Manchester United are currently down in thirteenth place.
If you'd said, you know, after Forest play you know,
if you said at the start of the season, after

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Forest play United in early December, one of the teams
will be first and one will be thirteenth, you know
what most people would have.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Said, Oh exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
And if you'd said that the top three goal scorers
justis go say twenty years ago and you'd said that
the top three goal scorers of the Premier League are
going to be from Norway, Egypt and New Zealand, he
would have got laughed out of town. That football is changing.
It's very much a global game. And we're in the
conversation I.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Don't think we're favorite to win the cricket.

Speaker 7 (01:17:07):
Oh do you think I'm not hanging on to hope?

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
There seventy seventy one for four, so we're almost under
the five hundred needed to know. We are under the
five hundred. The target's five eighty three. So no, we're not.
We're not trying to do my maths on the on
the hop here. Yeah, they're they're they're getting down to
below five hundred, needed to win soon.

Speaker 7 (01:17:28):
Well it's appropriate they're playing at the basin because this
Test series has gone now Mcgoglar, we can officially say that,
or what's going down?

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
Mcgoglar.

Speaker 7 (01:17:37):
It's a hangover after India. Really, I think they've got
some selections wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
Piney.

Speaker 7 (01:17:41):
I think Will Young should have been picked ahead of
Devon Conway. I think we should have picked a spinner.
Mitch Center was fit and I think they should have
played him. I mean, the picks won't help him as
much as Mumbai, but the guy's confidence has got to
be sky high. And I think when you show those
guys a bit like picking Chris Wood, when you show
those guys that faith, you know they'll often repay you.

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So look at the conversely, look at English selections. They
choose this guy Jacob Bethel hasn't scored a first class
ton just missed out yesterday, so he's fresh, you know,
twenty one years old. The spinner who's bowling right now
made his first class. They do for Somerset last year,
so it's just so much more bolden. Every single way
tactic selections the works and of course Brendan mccullums behind

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a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Them, almost all of that, and I just I wanted
to mention her, and I'm glad you have because Brendan McCallum,
during a game of cricket, sits up on the balcony,
doesn't have an iPad, doesn't have a notebook, doesn't have
a phone out that I can see, just sits there
and watches the cricket. And I'm sure there's more to
it than man. In fact, of course we know that
there is. But whatever it is, whatever the secret sources

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that he's brought to this England team, I mean, wouldn't
it be great if we had a bit of that.

Speaker 7 (01:18:57):
Yeah, we do need to think about I think the
leadership and direction of the team.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
And let's wait.

Speaker 7 (01:19:03):
I mean, they obviously deserve a chance to to redeem themselves.
The Third Test is not too far away, so I
just want to see that they can perform and maybe
recapture some of that mojo they had in India. Came
Williamson was looking good there for a while and he
just went past nine thousand runs and he will want
to get to ten thousand, so I think we've got

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him for at least another calendar year, because even though
he's quite low tea and will say, oh, you know,
I don't care about stats. As soon as the player
retires and writes a book, it's all about the stats.
You know, you read it, and it's all they ever
think about. They just learned to lie to us in
the media during their career and that's impressive in itself really.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
And just before you go, what's there going to be
a Raygun musical Raygun the Breakdowns from Paris?

Speaker 7 (01:19:50):
Yeah, well it's been shut down. So if you're buying
your tickets to Ragun the musical in Sydney, the performer
who was going to stage it has been slapped with
an injunction from Raygun's lawyers threatening to sue. So they've
shut down the show. And so even though Raygun is hilarious,
she's not laughing, is she? So she wants to be

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taken very seriously. And that's why pointing, I think you
and I can help here and we can make it
happen at the next Kiwi Derby at halftime, Raygun versus Raiser,
the breakdance battle that everybody wants to see, get Ali
Williams and the Mowbray's on the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Let's do this Raygun versus Razor. I never thought it
would be a sentence I'd say, but if anyone was
going to say it, it was you. James always loved
chatting mate. Let's do it again next week.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
Cheers mate, See your pony, See.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
You, James, James mcconey. That part of our Sundays, big
part of our Sunday is a popular part of our
sundays here on News Talks, heb and Weekend Sport eight
and a half away from two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Let's scoop from the track field and the court on
your home of sport Weekend Sport.

Speaker 18 (01:20:57):
With Jason.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Five to two After two Sir Richard Hadlee and also
Wayne Golds with our coaching guru on why some sports
teams fail after a period of sustained success. What is
behind that? We'll get you back to the basin as
well with Andrew Ortison before three o'clock seventy four for four,
seventy four for four. Tom Blundeles got through to thirteen
not out down on Mitchell with him there on twenty two,

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so we'll keep tabs on that as well. Just want
to circle back to the football. Just quickly before the
game yesterday, there's a for those who have ever been
to go Media Stateium, there is a bar which is
adjacent basically to the ground and you come down the
steps and you know from the bar and you're basically
in the ground. It's called Lily World. That is the

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name of the bar. And before the game yesterday the
place was absolutely jumping, absolutely jumping. And at the risk
of repeating the obvious point here, Auckland FC have done
an absolutely superb job of building this fan base, and
not just people who you know who come along and

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sit in a seat and watch the game, people who
engage in the act of support that is a hallmark
of football around the world. As Michael Burger said when
we chatted him a short time ago yesterday, there at
times when you looked around and I was in Lily
WARLD for a bit before the game, just checking things out.

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I didn't purchase anything necessarily in there and a commentary
to do, but I looked around and I thought, this
doesn't feel like a New Zealand football crowd. It feels
like something European or South American. It was just absolutely jumping.
I can only again reiterate the fact that whoever is
involved in fan engagement, community engagement, marketing, everything around this

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team deserves every piece of kudos that is coming their way,
because everybody who was there yesterday would have been saying afterwards,
when is the next game?

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on
and after field, It's all on WI James Ford with
Jason Vane on your home of Sport in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Two o seven. Hello, this is Weekend Sport, the final
hour before we hand over to the Weekend Collective Sunday
edition to beverage in the chair from three o'clock this afternoon.
What have we got for you between now and then?
Sir Richard Hadley in just a moment, inducted into New
Zealand Crickets Hall of Fame on Thursday night. When they
came up with the idea of this, I'm pretty sure

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that Sir Richard Hadley was one of the first names
they wrote down as an inductee and so it proved
to be so. His thoughts on this induction and some
of the highlights of his career. Sir Richard Hadley shortly
Wayne Goldsmith, our coaching guru, has been a regular part
of our weekend sport program across the year. He'll pop
in for one final time in twenty twenty four on

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the subject of why there are some sports teams who
have success for a long, prolonged period of time and
then all of a sudden fall off a cliff and
having that success even though they're probably doing the same
things that they've always done. What is the reason for that?
Wayne Goldsmith? This out back to the basement as well
with Andrew Ortison before three the rain hasn't arrived yet

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eighty two for four New Zealand, Daryl Mitchell and Tom
Blundell together twenty five and eighteen respectively, eighty two for
four chasing five hundred and eighty three, so just a
small matter of five hundred and one more runs for victory.
We'll keep you up to date with any action between
now and when we close it. Three and also plankets
sheeld cricket happening around the place as well. Your calls

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and correspondents always welcome on the show. Encouraged oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighties the phone number nine two ninety
two if you'd like to send a text, But as
we always do, at a round about this time on
weekend sport. The music will tell you it's time to
catch you up on some of the things you might
have missed in case you missed it, with a bunch

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of sport happening around the place. We start in Wellington,
where the Breakers have slumped to a fourth straight defeat
in the Australian Basketball League. So big win for the
Sydney Kings.

Speaker 25 (01:25:15):
They come to Wellington and take the chocolates. They stay
above five hundred and moved to nine and seven and
they leap frog the Breakers into third.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Spot on the table. Here ninety eight eighty three to
the Sydney Kings over the Breakers in Wellington. Australia have
a firm grip on the second cricket Test against India
in Adelaide, the day night Pinkball Test. Travis Head was
the batting hero on day two.

Speaker 18 (01:25:43):
He chove his head.

Speaker 26 (01:25:47):
Gets the people one day one, tell them they Breakers
von a Test century on the first South Australian to score.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Three centuries over Travis Head one hundred and forty of
one hundred and forty one balls to hope help Australia
post three thirty seven and that gave them the first
innings buffer of one hundred and fifty seven India. In
their second innings it stumps one hundred and twenty eight
for five, so still trailing by twenty nine runs with
only five second innings wickets in hand. Contrasting fortunes for

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the New Zealand Sevens sides at the second the end
of the New World Series season in Cape Town, with
only the winners of the four polls advancing to the
Cup semi finals under a new format. The Black fern
And Sevens have done just that.

Speaker 17 (01:26:38):
Through the hands of Niko.

Speaker 27 (01:26:39):
Quickly looking to release that woman, Vaha Calor switches the
ball in hand, just holding up for the Ferns cake them.
Vaha calll with a strong finish for.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
New Zealand, a forty to ten win for New Zealand
over China and to come from behind twenty two to
twelve victory over Japan. The New Zealand men, though can
only finish fifth at best, is.

Speaker 27 (01:27:01):
Closing this out now, marching on their way to a
semi final set up by that quite.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Magnificent the first half. They didn't put a foot.

Speaker 17 (01:27:08):
Wrong and all they're not going to put.

Speaker 27 (01:27:09):
One wrong here as keeps his feet another of these
young guns a twenty one year old, and I though
scores for France comprehensive.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Indeed it was a forty seven to fifteen thumping by France,
resigning New Zealand to second and there Paul having earlier
edged the USA nineteen seventeen. And Chris Wood, as mentioned
in the last hour, his latest Premier League goal on
his thirty third birthday, helping Nottingham Forest to a three
to two away win over Manchester United, their first win

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at Old Trafford in three decades.

Speaker 22 (01:27:45):
What is it the back post, Chris Wood Fitz Chris
Wood celebrates the birth take coal and not your forest
of it?

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
Two Coal lead now at Old Trafford. It is a
goal that establishes Chris Wood on his own. Now that's
nodding of Forest high school scorer off the Premier League era.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
The tough Questions off the turf Weekend Sport with Jason
Pine and GJ. Garnnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Dogs twelve minutes past two. Sir Richard Hadley, one of
the best fast bowlers in the world for most of
his Test cricket career. The first man to take four
hundred Test wickets and an absolute match winner for New Zealand.
Before he started playing, New Zealand had won just seven
Test matches. When he retired, he had played a role

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in a further twenty two Test match victories. Sir Richards's
eventual career total of four hundred and thirty one Test
wickets was strewn with outstanding performances, a world record thirty
six five wicket bags and none more impressive than on
the eighty five eighty six Test tour of Australia, during

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which he took thirty three wickets in three Tests, including
a best ever nine to fifty two in Bris.

Speaker 24 (01:29:07):
Be Gone.

Speaker 21 (01:29:08):
Yes, nine wickets. What a wonderful performance for Richard Hadley,
one of the all times great performances at the Gabba
his teammates for us to congratuate the credit class bar
and what a privilege it has been to watch that performance.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
On Thursday night, Sir Richard Hadley was unveiled as one
of the first eleven inductees into New Zealand Crickets Hall
of Fame. After that induction ceremony on Thursday night, I
had the chance to speak with Sir Richard Hadley, Sir
Richard Hadley, it seems to me as though when they
were putting together the inaugural inductees, your name was going
to be near the top of the list. How do
you reflect on your cricket career and it's totality first

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of all, when you think back to those many great moments.

Speaker 15 (01:29:46):
Oh, look, I had a wonderful time in the game
of cricket in an eighteen year international career, a twenty
year first class career.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Very proud of what I've been able to achieve.

Speaker 15 (01:29:56):
There been a lot of significant milestones personally but collective
for as a team too. Played in an era in
the seventies and eighties when we were doing many firsts
in the history of New Zealand cricket. When you beat
Australia for the first time as we did at Lancaster
Park seventy four, beating England for the first time at

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the base in Reserve and Wellington and seventy eight, and
then we had significant first victories offshore beating England and
eighty three at Headingly and then we had won the
series there in eighty six and beating Australia and Australia
for the first time in eighty five six the Gabatez
went on to take the series to win. So those
significant firsts will always outweigh personal milestones, and people tend

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to remember when you'd done things for the first time.
But as far as runs and wickets, we're concerned if
you play the games and you bowl the balls and
you're going to get wickets.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
If you're out there batting, you're going to accumulate runs.

Speaker 15 (01:30:54):
And in my career accumulate a lot of runs and
a lot of wickets, and I can look back with
bond memories and great pride of what I was able
to achieve. On an individual basis.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
We talk about some of those performances that I went
over England out here for the first time nineteen seventy eight.
You know, Richard Collins, obviously not to have a Jeff Boycott,
but then you did the damage with six for twenty six.
Where does that particular test rate beating England.

Speaker 15 (01:31:22):
Well, it was significant in fact, Richard Collins, we needed
a miracle basically because we got bowled out cheaply in
the second innings in England and you need one hundred
and thirty seven to win and we were walking down
the steps onto the field to play.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
And we're being booed at.

Speaker 15 (01:31:39):
We're being jaed a bit because the spectators are saying,
where you're blowing again, New Zealand. You put yourself in
a position of winning and you've just let the opposition
back in the game. And I remember saying to Richard Collins, look, Rock,
we need something sensational to happen. Well, the thing that
was sensational was Coycott being knocked over for a duck,

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and so they were one for none and Rock picked
up the first three wickets, so they were three for
not many, and I hit Brian Rose on the elbow
and he decided to use his elbow to hit the ball,
and so I had to retire hurt, probably with a
broken broken arm. So effectively they were four or five
down for eighteen and Rocket done the damage and then

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I was able to come in on the back of
it to pick up the next sort of four wickets.
We had to come back the next day to mop
up the tail, which took about thirty forty minutes or something,
so I ended up with six. But the thing that
was quite emotional for me is that my father had
been involved with New Zealand creget since nineteen thirty seven

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when he were on the first tur of England, took
the forty nine team to England as captain and then
he was a board member and president of New Zealand
Cricket and over the years he had never seen New
Zealand beat England. And it took something like forty eight
years from our first test in nineteen thirty forty eight
tests to seventy eight to win that game against England

(01:33:08):
and probably involved fifty tests that we're played against the
other nation. So be able to do it not only
for myself the team, but to fulfill an ambition dream
for him made it even more significant.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
And what about wi can number three hundred out here?
I sat on the bank patiently waiting for it to arrive.
And I think it was in the middle of the
middle session from memory that you finally got Alan Border lbw,
Fred Gotdall got his finger up. I think it's still up.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
Yeah, what do you remember of that day?

Speaker 15 (01:33:37):
Well, going into that test, I think I needed one
record to get to three hundred, and there's a lot
of people wagering bets as to how many balls it
would take, how long it would be media speculation, you know,
creating a lot of interest basically, and obviously I was

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hoping to do it in the first spell, get it
over and done with the players.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
We're aware of it. All they wanted was for me
to get it out of the way so we can
get on with the game.

Speaker 15 (01:34:10):
So mid afternoon something like that. Fred Goodll had his
finger up before I even appealed.

Speaker 17 (01:34:16):
That was that dead.

Speaker 15 (01:34:19):
And so when you reach milestones like that, you're knocking
off sort of targets or goals that you have.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Because when I got that three hundred test wig, I
was one of six.

Speaker 15 (01:34:30):
Now too got those those wigets, So I was in
an elite group of bowlers in the history.

Speaker 23 (01:34:37):
Of the game.

Speaker 15 (01:34:38):
But I had to knock off five who were still
in front of me. So over a period of years,
another four or five years, you knock them off one
at a time and you get pasty in both them,
which I did in India twelfth and over nine eighty eight.
Aaron Lale LBW remember it well. So that got me

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pasty in both and get the three seventy four and
then there's only one goal left to keep me in
the game, and that was to get four hundred. Me
the first to do that, and that was my Everest.
And it took me eighteen years to conker my Everest.
I'm not sure how long it took Sad Hillary to
conker is Everest. Who he might have taken, I don't know.

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Was it a week, ten days, two weeks, I don't know.
It took me eighteen years to get to the top
and then slither down the other side with retirement.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
So no, that would magic ties.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
And I must ask you about the gather nine for
fifty two. I think I could probably recite the commentary
of all nine wickets and in fact the tenth one
Jeff Lawson caught by yourself off Vaughn Brown might have
been his only Test wickt Vaughn Brown, you know, yeah,
another very special Test match sicher Well, it.

Speaker 15 (01:35:50):
Was as far as the nine wickets were concerned, I
had eight. I had eight in a row then I
took the catch. It's not to give Vaughan Brown his
first Test wigget and people off and asked when the
ball went up in the air when Jeff laws And
swept it. And I think I was feeling at mid
rock on I had to do ten to twenty meters
to catch it around mid wicket.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
People said, do you think of dropping it?

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
And I said, n.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
What do you do if the ball goes up in
the air. Of course you catch it, So that thought
never entered my mind. So that happened now.

Speaker 15 (01:36:22):
I came back and got the last to make it
ten and fortunate to get six wickets in the second innings.
I had to work hard for that border of Matthew's
got hundreds in that second inning, so it was quite
a lot more harder to get wickets in the second
innings in the first, but obviously that set up a
good chance of victory when we bowled them out for

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I won sixty one seventy and then we pile on
something like five hundred Martin Crow one hundred and eighty
eight and it's John Reid one hundred as well, so
we had a significant lead and we had plenty of
time to bowl them out and ended up winning by
an innings and I think forty four runs to knock
it off in Australia for the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
The Aussies weren't talking two months, that's what we're sure,
and we were enjoying the moment.

Speaker 15 (01:37:11):
It was a magical moment lost at Sydney and then
went at Perth to take the series.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Just to finish the stats mention about the relative infrequency
of New Zealand Test wins up toll when you got
your first one and the number that you were involved
in twenty two I think was the number of Test
victories you played a part and then often a significant part.
Was that something that you were also very keen to
do to drive New Zealand to victories through your own performances.

Speaker 15 (01:37:40):
Well, my job simply with a new ball is to
get wickets, early wickets and being really the only out
and out strike bowler. We had good medium pace bowlers,
but as an attacking bowler was always having three slips
in a gully. I'm always going to get the new ball,
and I'm going to bowl just before lunch, and I'm

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going to bowl just after lunch, before tea, after tea,
when the second new ball, I get the bowl at nine,
ten eleven, right, So I was always having greater opportunities
than other bowlers who really complimented me at the other
end by keeping it tight and sure they'd get wickets
as well, no question about that. But everyone's got a

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role in the team to play, and I always saw
myself as the addressor the attacker, stamping my presence on
the ground in front of batsmen, that sort of thing.
And when you think about it, it's always the bowler
who dictates play. He dictates play wherever he pitches the

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ball affects an outcome where the runs are scored. The
batsman lets the ball go now he plays and miss
gets it on the pad. The bowler always dictates play
and the batsman has to have a response to that.
Now that's not to say the bowler always dominates, because
batsmen also dominate, and they could score hundreds, two hundreds

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and three hundreds. So my mentality was to accept the
responsibility to try and get wickets, and the guys in
a supporting role, with particularly in catching behind the wicket,
were hugely significant in the successes I had because if
you're catching at ninety ninety five percent, you're going to
win games and bowlers are going to get wickets. But

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if you're dropping eight catches in as.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Dare I say it, you're always behind the game.

Speaker 15 (01:39:37):
So collectively we all had roles minus the bowl and
get wickets. Others were to do whatever they had to do,
but fielding was vital in the successes that I had, four.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Hundred and thirty one of them, so many significant moments.
Sir Richard, congratulations on your induction and thank you for
taking the time for a chat.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Pleasir, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
That is Sir Richard Hadley at the induction ceremony for
the first inductees in the Crickets Hall of Fame at
the New Zealand Cricket Museum based on Reserve on Thursday evening.
Still sharpest attack. Get the feeling he could probably probably
give you the details of his four hundred and thirty
one Test wickets. First bloke to get four hundred. Of course,

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seventeen men have now taken four hundred Test wickets, and
obviously Mattia Marilutherin is top of the pile with eight hundred.
Shane Warns seven hundred and eight Jimmy Anderson seven hundred
and four are the top three. But when you look
at the bowlers who have taken four hundred Test wickets
and you look at the average of each of them,

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Sir Richard Hadley stacks up with all of them pretty much.
The only guy who's taken four hundred Test wickets plus
at a better average than Sir Richard's twenty two point
twenty nine. Is Glen McGrath his five hundred and sixty
three wickets at twenty one point sixty four, But all
of the others have a higher average per wicket than

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Sir Richard Hadley. And then you look at strike rates. Well,
first of all, Sir Richard he hadly only played eighty
six Test matches. Everybody else on this list has played far,
far more than that. Jimmy Anderson's played one hundred and
eighty eight Test matches, so over one hundred more Tests
than Sir Richard. But strike rates, in other words, balls

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per wicket. Sir Richard Hadley took a wicket every fifty
point eighty five balls, So what's that about one every
seven overs? Now eight overs six six eight forty eight.
There you go about one every eight overs. Apart from
Dale Stain, who's a bit of an outlier here, he
took a wicket every forty two and a bit deliveries.
That is again as good as anybody on that list.

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So in terms of the average and the strike rate
for Sir Richard and just the frequency at which the
wickets appeared, he was an absolute titan of the game
from his Test debut in nineteen seventy three to his
final Test in nineteen ninety a wicket with his final
ball in Test cricket is four hundred and thirty first

(01:42:05):
just an absolute champion of the game. Ninety six for four.
Now New Zealand, so these two Tom Blundell and Darryl
Mitchell is starting to show a bit of steal, show
a bit of fight. Tom Blundell, who's had a difficult
time of things recently, is unbeaten on twenty eight, Daryl
Mitchell is there on twenty nine, and New Zealand in

(01:42:27):
the chase for five hundred and eighty three ninety six
for four. Tom Blundell, of course is from Wellington. In fact,
he scored a century on Test debut at the Basin Reserve.
He wasn't playing as a as a wicketkeeper, then he
was in the team as a batter and famously he

(01:42:49):
scored the runs at the Basin Reserve, which is overlooked
by his former school, Wellington College. Of course, one hundred
and seven in his very first innings at Test level
against the West Indies back in December of twenty seventeen,
So wouldn't it be a good time now to score
another century of Tom Blundell. He's got a bit of
work to do. But Mitchell and Blundell together are starting

(01:43:11):
to chip away. I think any sense that they could
score five hundred and eighty three is probably drawing a
bit of a long bow. But in terms of soaking
up time and starting to cause frustration amongst the English,
then you know they can keep going. I don't want
to jinx it. Then maybe we go into day four
and even into day five if the pitch continues to

(01:43:32):
flatten out to twenty seven. Anyway, that all lies ahead.
We'll keep you up to date and get you to
the basin before three o'clock with Andrew Ortison. Next though,
our coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith on the topic of why
some sports teams have a great period of success and
then it all suddenly comes to an end. He's with
us right after this one.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
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New Zealand source Trusted home Builder.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
News talk to Baby Bang on two thirty on Weekends Sport.
A regular feature on the show this year has been
the Wisdom of coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith, who's joined us
on various different matters around coaching at an elite or
grassroots level or anywhere in between. It joins us for
the final time this year. Wayne. I saw a post
from you on social media this week that I wanted

(01:44:21):
to drill down into and it was entitled why sporting
teams fail after a period of success? And you said
that seven words explain it, and those seven words are
that's the way we do it here. So why are
those words and that philosophy so dangerous?

Speaker 17 (01:44:42):
Well, I think what those words convey is a lot
of different things, Patty.

Speaker 28 (01:44:48):
It's saying our way is the only way, our way
is the best way, our way is the right way.
And if if you've been around sport for a while,
you know that that's true. But for a very very
short moment of time.

Speaker 17 (01:45:04):
And look, I remember working with coach of an Olympic gold.

Speaker 28 (01:45:07):
Medalist in trek and field years ago and he said,
I said, how excited Philly excited about it? And he
said I am, But I'm just thinking about all the
coaches and our competitors around the world who are looking.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
And going, how do we beat her?

Speaker 28 (01:45:24):
And it was this reality that even though at that
moment she was the Olympic gold medalist and the best
of the best, the reality is everybody has now seen.

Speaker 17 (01:45:32):
That and gone, ah, that's how you've done it. I'm
going to do it better. I'm going to learn from
you and improve.

Speaker 28 (01:45:39):
Whereas if you say, oh, that's the way we do
it here, your brain, your mind, your imagination, creativity, innovation
stops because you're convinced that you've got it and forever
shall it be the case?

Speaker 17 (01:45:53):
And it's just not right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Another saying you hear a lot is not just in sport.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Is their merit
to that? If what you're doing is getting you success,
then is their merit in not changing it too much?

Speaker 24 (01:46:08):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:46:08):
Look, I always go back.

Speaker 28 (01:46:10):
To who are the brands in our life that have
been sustainably successful for a long long time?

Speaker 17 (01:46:16):
So you look at something like Apple, or you look
at BMW, or you.

Speaker 28 (01:46:20):
Look at the brands that have grown have been sustainably
successful over a long long period of time. Now we
know at the moment if you go into an Apple shop,
which to me is just in insanely full on place
where you're getting exposed all sorts of ideas which you
go into an Apple shop and we're not sponsored by Apple.

Speaker 17 (01:46:36):
By the way, are we find it? No?

Speaker 18 (01:46:38):
Not, But.

Speaker 28 (01:46:40):
You know, we go into a shop at Apple Shop,
and they're going to tell you that this model of phone,
this model of tablet, this model of technology is the
best and it can't get any better, and this is
the latest in technology and the greatest thing that's ever happened.
Yet we know that they're already made, designed and built

(01:47:04):
next year's one, And we know that they've built and designed,
pretty much finished the one for twenty twenty six, and
they've probably got the twenty thirty model on the planning
platform and ready to go as well, and each one
of those will be better. So we know that the
brands in our broader life that have been sustainably successful
are constantly reinventing. Now, having said that, if we stick

(01:47:28):
with that Apple iialogy, that they don't change the size
of the phone much, and they don't change the shape
of the phone much.

Speaker 17 (01:47:39):
They keep the things that they know work.

Speaker 28 (01:47:42):
But then they go, but where can we find an
edge so fast, a process, that raw bigger process, that
raw better camera, so they look at the things that
they know work and then they go, yeah, but we
can still be better that continuous improvement mindset. The teams
that get that sustained success, the teams and the organizations

(01:48:03):
who don't, who believe in that's the way we do it,
their success is fleeting, are quite often almost accidental or lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Do you find that that teams and coaches who have
been successful are more likely to be the ones who
seek to change things up to seek that improvement or
because you know, I would imagine there would be a
certain degree of resistance among a playing group who say
to their coach, Look, you've been telling us what to do.
We've done that, we're winning games. Now you're telling us

(01:48:32):
to do another thing or a slightly different thing. Is
there resistance in any way among players in situations like this?

Speaker 17 (01:48:41):
There can be, And it's because.

Speaker 28 (01:48:44):
The way that you talk to the playgroup. If you say,
the playgroup, it's all about the grand final. We have
to win the Grand Final. We're going to be at
our best, and everything's based around the achievement of success
at a singular point in time, where you've spent all
that time convincing them that their model their system, their structure,
their play is the best way and wherever shall it

(01:49:07):
be the case, then for them come back the next
year and say, hey, guys, guess what we're going to
change it all.

Speaker 17 (01:49:12):
That can be really confronting. If you listen to the
words of the really.

Speaker 28 (01:49:17):
Switched on coaches, the ones that have been around for
a while, they talk about things like it's a journey.
Every moment is an opportunity for us to learn. We're
continuing to learn and progress and improve as a player group.
And you even heard it with the great the Crusaders teams,
with the Penrith Panthers, they very rarely talk about we're

(01:49:37):
gonna get to the Grand Final and win it and others.
It's not a those finite terms. It's all about every
game we've learned, we've improved as a group. We're getting better.
I don't think we've realized our potential yet. If you've
been around for a while, you tend not to speak
in absolutes or finalities. You tend to talk in the
terms of continuous improvement, ongoing learning, being the best I

(01:49:59):
can be, but I can always get better. You tend
to stick to those terms. If you've been around for
a while.

Speaker 17 (01:50:06):
If you're just selling them once that win and forget it,
then you're almost painting what the future is going to
look like.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
There are some coaches who are tremendously successful over a
sustained period of time, and then they start to be
less successful and people start to talk a little bit
about those coaches. The game has moved on. He's yesterday's man.
You know, the game has passed him by. Now are
there some coaches who just are either unable or unwilling
to make the change when it's needed.

Speaker 28 (01:50:39):
It's a wonderful question by you, as you know, I
love swimming, and I've been in it for a long
long time. And the coaches involved, they're wonderful. They getting
up early, They're given their life to it. You're going
to add the same people like gymnastics coaches and rowing
coaches and distance running coaches, and you know, there's a
lot of coaches getting up early and given everything they've

(01:51:02):
got to the sport. However, when I go around the world,
the default model of delivering something like swimming, this coach
is standing at at the pearl yelling numbers to kids. Now,
that was a reasonably successful model for a large period
of time. But we're dealing with kids now who are TikTokers.
They want short pieces of information, They want to be engaged,

(01:51:24):
they want to be listened to, they want to work
with you, they.

Speaker 17 (01:51:28):
Want to feel part of the process.

Speaker 28 (01:51:30):
And I say to the coaches, look, even though your
model may have worked, and you may have even put
someone on an Olympic team or even won a medal,
we're dealing with a society that's evolved so quickly.

Speaker 17 (01:51:42):
The learning has become so different. The way the kids
engage with learning and want to be engaged with their
teachers and their parents and their peers has changed. So
if you're a smart coach, you're staying true to the
things that you believe.

Speaker 28 (01:51:57):
Hard work, dedication, commitment, passion, all those things, but you're
shaping it and remodeling it and delivering it and packaging
it in a way it's appropriate for the generations that
we're dealing with now. The common thing I hear from
coaches is, oh, there's something wrong with the kids, and

(01:52:18):
the kids are not doing it the way that we
used to do it, and the kids have got it wrong.

Speaker 17 (01:52:22):
It's their parents that have got so many things on
and we've got a soft society.

Speaker 28 (01:52:26):
No no, no, no, no, you're yelling into a fan
in a breeze. You've got to say, well, I can't
change the children of the world. I can't change parenting
in New Zealand. I can't change the way people engage
with technology. I can only change myself and I as
a coach. I'm not going to change my belief in

(01:52:48):
hard work and commitment, dedication. But I'm going to change
the things that will allow me to remain successful, which
is engaging with kids, engaging in athletes in a way
that they want to be engaged with.

Speaker 18 (01:53:01):
Now.

Speaker 17 (01:53:02):
And look, I know this coach is listening at the moment,
piny going no, he doesn't get it.

Speaker 28 (01:53:06):
You know that's not like that for tennis or rowing
or I promise you guys, I really do get this.
This is what I live day to day, and my
will stay true to the things that you know work.
But be smart enough and intelligent enough to tweak and
change and improve and enhance the things that will allow you.

Speaker 17 (01:53:26):
To sustain your success.

Speaker 28 (01:53:28):
But I would even think you'd be able to bellow
me and been are two great examples in NRL. I
guarantee you there's things that they do that haven't changed
since the nineteen seventies, guarantee. But I also guarantee they've
made five ten percent change every year since of the
things that they know will allow them to sustain success.

(01:53:48):
So I guarantee when Bennett went into his great line,
Bennett says, which is what you take into coaching is
what you take out. So I'm guarantee he would believe
in those core values what's important. His coaching philosophies would
not have changed, but he would have changed the things
that would have allowed him to continue to be successful.
And that's the real art of coaching or success in anything.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
Incredible wisdom and brilliant advice from you as always, Wayne,
Thank you so much for today and for all your
contributions to Weekend Sport across the year. I hope you
have a lovely, lovely break over the next little while,
and well I hope that we can chat again when
twenty twenty five rolls around.

Speaker 25 (01:54:29):
Mate.

Speaker 28 (01:54:29):
The greatest Christmas present I could one for all would
get more.

Speaker 5 (01:54:32):
Time with you next year.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
Okay, well that's quite a low bar, Wayne, but we'll
see if we can make it, make it happen. Thanks again.
My friend Wayne Goldsmith part of Weekend Sport across the
year and does set to be again next year. You
can find out more about Wayne on his website WG
Coaching dot Com. Nineteen to three Get You Back to
the Basin in a moment one O five for four.

(01:54:55):
Darryl Mitchell and Tom Blundell are getting quite close to
a fifty partnership here. I know it's just a small victory,
but we'll take anything we can get in this test series.
Andrew Ordison from a ba usty, windy, overcast based in reserve.
When we come back, you be the TMO.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
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Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks their.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
B two forty four on News Talks THEREB and Weekend Sport.
An hour gone in the second session on day three
at the Basin Reserve, they're enjoying a drink. Not Andrew Orderson,
though he's having a chat to us. Darryl Mitchell, Tom
blunder lay a fairly solid partnership being put together.

Speaker 16 (01:55:40):
Hair orders look, yes, I don't want to sen fight
here for your pioneer. But this is indeed looking solid.
I mean we're looking talking about the biggest part certainly
of the Test for New Zealand so far forty seven
runs Mitchell thirty two, Blundle thirty five and sort of
bringing some minds rememiniscing about that twenty twenty two trip
to England where they spent so much time at the

(01:56:02):
crease Intend one hundred and six or four so and
basically with this four your strike us at exactly the
midway point of the Test match. So you think about
how far it's advanced already. Having seen that too, we
talked about some rain being around earlier Pinty that does
seem to have dissipated in the wind has blowing that
away in the northwest, so it's almayst. I think it's
good for Blunder Emitsal to just keep the cagence going,

(01:56:24):
keep the temper and be batting out that you don't
want to have to give your eye and again come
off the field and come back into it, especially against
the accuracy of the English bowling, sof up the pace
in particular, I think they have probably got a little
bit settled with the bowling and sharp bus Yere they've
been able to get into a lithly exous spin and
if you're being Stokes before, we think we're bringing the

(01:56:44):
pace back where you can as soon as possible, but
certainly promising from New Zealand at least for the fifth
bigot stand.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
They often say that when there's a big total that
you're chasing, even one that seems so far away to
even be conceivable, that you've got to at least try
to keep the score taking over, not just try to survive.
Is that what you're seeing from these two?

Speaker 16 (01:57:04):
That's exactly what you're seeing, And I think we'll put
it this way. Blundle in particular had a lead off early,
had a flash of one outside off stump and went
through the hands of Jacob Bethel and the slips off
Bright and cart. He went to the boundary and Ball
immediately asked what he just there's no respite. He just
hooked cast for six towards the scoreboard at the basin,

(01:57:26):
went over the fence and that really gave him some confidence.
I think he had ten off four balls at that
point and has now moved on to thirty five. Of course,
he's been in just a terrible rut with his form
of late blundle. But now he looks like and I
don't cheap bait here, as he's prepared to take his
stance again. But he is on thirty five off forty
nine balls, Mitchell thirty two off sixty eight. But Mitchell

(01:57:49):
is on strike, so that is relief fumbly And if
he's flashed one towards point but it's fielded, but looks
like he maybe brooke out there. Maybe it's Zach Cruley intact.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
So what do you predict now for England in the
next hour of the session, the next session after this one.
They've got plenty of time orders, they don't really have
to force the pace of this. What do you predict
that their strategy will be?

Speaker 18 (01:58:12):
Well?

Speaker 16 (01:58:13):
Likewise, I look about New Zealand batting with positive intent.
I thinks to do the same captaining England here and
keep the attacking fields. They've got runs on the board
and just keep these bowlers rotating. I guess with the
cars has been in terrific form. We've seen Atkinson with
his hat trick in the first thing, so he's cockahoop
and in fact, goodness made, he's a wicket right now

(01:58:33):
Darrel Mitchell is dismissed for thirty threes or sixty eyeballs.
So there you go straight up and see Atkinson's guidance
one hundred and six now and five in New Zealand
and Mitchell trudging his way off. So disappointment for Darryl Mitchell.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
Oh you've got us, You've got us a wicket.

Speaker 16 (01:58:53):
Orders there you go, he's edge that behind the ollipape.
So the departure of Daryl Mitchell has leaves from Lovell there.
So yeah, I was looking promising, but the egg I've
walked a wicket for you outside of the box. At
the moment, fight well run partnership is over.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
I don't think you can be responsible entirely for it, allders,
but certainly it will be noted in your next performance review.

Speaker 16 (01:59:15):
Look, I think while my KPI you see, they will
be somewhat differently.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
Now they will. I think while Mitchell and Blunder were together,
yeah we're like a minute ago, we were talking in
quite positive to is there a possibility now that there
might not be a day for Oh.

Speaker 16 (01:59:31):
For sure, I think that there's every chance of that.
But that New Zealand has just have the knuckles down
here if they can seeing Glen Phillip's coming to the
wicket now at one hundred and six and five. But
anyone just well they're in the pomp, really, they are
just the confidence side in New Zealand largely left me
in conference a partform that last partnership, and I think too,

(01:59:52):
one that really struck me is the crucial in the
biggest scheme of things. Russian Avenger just before lunch, just
splashing outside of getting an edge, and he was dismissed
for six but yes, so much promise the revenge.

Speaker 7 (02:00:06):
But just on that occasion.

Speaker 16 (02:00:09):
He could have knuckled it out maybe to lunch, but
didn't do so. In New Zealand were another look at down.
So yeah, it's disapporinting in many respects from that New
Zealand batting card one hundred and twenty five in the
first and then one hundred and six to five in
the second.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
It's pretty bleak piney indeed, right just before you go.
And this might be a conversation for once the Test
is over. But let's just say for arguments sake that
England do go on to win this Test. It's too
nil going to Hamilton what do you predict from a
New Zealand point of view in terms of selection for
the third Test.

Speaker 16 (02:00:40):
Well, for Samas, I've got to get Young and they
don't they It just seems ridiculous if you've got this
player of the series from the India, the historic victory
in India which is just such an anomaly and the
biggest scheme of things with the three nil there. But Young,
I thin he's the player of the series. He's got
to come into this eleven in some capacity, probably for
the Devon Conway. Albeit I don't know that Young is

(02:01:01):
an opener. I mean he averages twenty two as an
opener as opposed to forty three elsewhere in the order.
I think Tomboy is probably the one going to most
out of former at the moment, and that is a
quite a competition. But then of course you look at
the bowling and whether or not they decide to bring
in the extra spin option of Mitchell, and then you

(02:01:21):
have a real question mark over whether he dropped in
the South you ahead of his what it meant to
be his final Test match and it's a benedectory to
it in this series. And then what would be a
home ground end ground at Hamilton.

Speaker 11 (02:01:34):
That's a big call in itself.

Speaker 16 (02:01:36):
Or do you perhaps take out Nathan Smith who's look
promising at times with the boar in particular and in
the field. Do you just like for like as a
bowling pace around her for a bowling spin all around it,
or do you just leave the status crome in terms
of that bowling and decide that it's going to be
the Hamilton deck is not going to spin. I mean,
at this stage of the season there's been two games
in Plank at Shildon has been two wickets taken to spin,

(02:01:57):
so there's not a strong argument in that regard at
this point. But there's got to be some form of change,
you would think given the the can fleet performance by
England these first Tests and convincing victories, if they are
able to take out the second Test against easily looking
at a pretty strong position at the.

Speaker 5 (02:02:14):
Moment for that way.

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
And thanks auders, appreciate your work across the weekend. We'll
chat to your next weekend on Weekend Sport from Hamilton.
Andrew Ordison from the Basin Reserve, New Zealand one hundred
and ten for five. Now as the ball goes to
the boundary off the bat of Glenn Phillips, but five
hundred and eighty three is so far away as to
be almost insignificant. Really. The next order of business for

(02:02:36):
New Zealanders to try and make this test go into
a fourth day, and there's still quite a bit of
work to do for that to even happen. Unfortunately, eight
away from three News Talks.

Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
EDB analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting
World Weekend Sport with Jason five. They call eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty News Talks eNB.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
Five to three and that is us on the show today.
Tim Beveridge takes over after three o'clock for the weekend
Collective Sunday edition. Weekend Sport returns next weekend obviously between
midday and Saturday and Sunday. I'll be back on Sports
Talk tomorrow night as well as we I guess unpack
what's happening in this cricket. Let's hope there is a
day for Tom Blundell wants to stay out there for

(02:03:16):
a bit. He's just brought up two thousand test runs.
Tom Blundell with a big six onto the bank to
move to forty six. So yeah, a nice welcome return
to form for Tom Blundell in this particular innings anyway,
Huge thanks to Bevan Joe for producing today. Great work mate,
Thanks for stepping in. Thank you for listening in and
taking part if that's what you chose to do. Exit

(02:03:38):
song today is a song that Nottingham Forest fans have adopted.
Is a bit of an anthem around the city ground
in recent times. In fact, not just in recent times.
It goes back quite a way. Nottingham Forest for the
first time in over thirty years beating Manchester United at
Old Trafford courtesy of Chris Wood and his tenth goal
of the Premier League season. Mull ofkin Hire or as

(02:04:00):
they call it, oh City Ground. The Nottingham Forest fans
they change the words and sing a lot. You can
feel free to do that as well. It's entirely over
to you. Have an excellent Sunday. See you tomorrow night.

Speaker 12 (02:04:13):
Jerseys.

Speaker 20 (02:04:17):
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
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