Full Show Podcast: 09 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Heard from somebody Ellison out of the All Blacks camp
going to open the lines again shortly, but let's bring
in former All Blacks half back and a stute rugby
analyst commentator and Strawn and overall, how happy do you
think the All Blacks coaching staff will be with the
eighty minutes in Dublin.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, I'd say they're extremely happy, Piney, you know, I mean,
this is this Northern tour well documented now how difficult
to figure with the English, the Irish and the French
lined up week after each other. This was probably going
to be the big test for mine because you know,
the All Blacks went great where they against England, that
got the job done. This was about making a real

(00:50):
statement in Ireland where they've had such a wonderful home record,
and I just think, you know, they got so many
things right. They resurrected some things from the English game,
but also brought some new pieces, new pictures that we
haven't probably seen in pretty difficult condition. So I mean
they'll be over the moon.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I would imagine what were some of the innovations that
you saw today that perhaps have been have been kept
in the in the locker until now.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I thought they went back to a lot of just
those kind of single dents, those single carries off rock,
just keeping it pretty simple. Initially the rock ball wasn't
great for cortiz Artuma, but they got disordered later on.
You know, they were just making little dents every time,
putting the Irish and pushing them back, and then of
course when they went to release the ball out the back,
it wasn't the traditional second man plays. It was a

(01:37):
little shift and then a short ball, someone coming coming
on a different line, changing the line, and then of
course when the wisk's done around the corner, they're getting
the ball to the edges. And we saw Mark Talia
Caleb Clark have good nights with the ball well Jordan
as you mentioned before, and also I thought Richer Yowani
probably had one of his best tests in a number
mate as well. So those backs really starting to contribute

(01:59):
in terms of an offensive perspective.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
What did you see from Ireland in the first twenty
minutes or so that disrupted the sed of New Zealand's
ball from the base of the ruck.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, just ruthless aid breakdown. I mean they've always been
a really hard and aggressive team at the breakdown. You
know that the chop tackle, the second man arriving and
then the third man sometimes when they start barging and
getting that counter ruck going. They just didn't want to
leave the cortez a artima with any time at all.
They just tried to keep trying to slow the balld out,
push the envelope at times. And let's be honest, they

(02:32):
probably could have been penalized a few more times at breakdown,
but they just came ruthlessly, and of course it did.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Slow our ball down.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
And interesting enough, in that second half when we started
the clean rucks of it. You know, cam Roygard came on.
I thought he played really well as well, but he
had a lot more freedom to move the ball and
kick as well. A bit of a transformation here. But yeah,
they did a great job the Irish first half at breakdown.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Good courtis right to might have done anything differently to
alleviate the you know, the problem he was facing at
that time.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
I think probably just at the odd time he was
just a bit confused whether to shift the ball, whether
to pull back a little bit, give himself a bit
of time and obviously taxi across with his running game,
which we know he's got and I mean at times
he probably just didn't get that quite right. And of
course there's so much pressure from the Irish at breakdown,
he just had no time really to make the wrong
decision and he probably did a couple of times. But

(03:26):
of course, you know, the other thing he needs to
probably do and be mindful like a young all Black,
is to get up as Fords and getting him past
the ball and starting to protect the ball because it's
not his job. The boys in front of him to
carry the cleaners. The are the ones that have got
to do the job for him. So you know, half backs,
as we know, mate, we can spray the forwards every
now and then. Well he probably needs to do a
bit more of that, particularly when.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
It gets messy.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Well I'm sure that'll come with time and experience one
out from him. You and I have spoken a lot
about Damien McKenzie over the year, and what did you
make of his performance today?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, I mean, you know it is a single Test match,
but yeah, I thought definitely he came of age. I
spoke to hither see yesterday Allen and and the question
was is he legit as a starting teen. I thought
the week before he came on and did some miraculous thing,
some wonderful moments which got the team across the line
against England. But the question markers always can he start

(04:19):
the game? Can he plot the team around the field
with some consistency, you know, the likes We've seen Harry
Plummer do it, We've seen Josh Jacob do it. The
younger ones coming through. Just stick to script, and I
thought that's what he did. He didn't overplay his hand.
There were a couple of handling ears, I suppose with
immense pressure from the Irish, but he put the ball
in the right places. He's kicking goals brilliantly, you know,

(04:41):
hardly missed the kick, which obviously makes a big difference
when the Iris give up so many penalties. But I
don't know, he just he seemed like a real solid
pivot for us for the first time in a while,
and that's really encouraging him. I take my hat off
to him. And he's always playing under pressure, isn't he,
because we're always pushing about whether he's good enough to
be there. So yeah, it was a nice, nice shift,

(05:03):
as I say, a little bit of a coming of
age from he's going to do it again when he's
required to, but he should be very proud of their performance.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
What did you make of Ireland in the last twenty minutes?
I know the All Blacks were putting a lot of
pressure on and forcing errors, but as were still being made,
did it look to you like an Irish side that
hasn't played for a few months.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, definitely, there's I mean, you know, we use the
old piece said they were rustiness, isn't it? You know?
So just in terms of the attack, they just looked
at bit awful night. I thought they got really flat
at times. They didn't give themselves enough debt to sort
of create play and try and manipulate to get to
where they wanted to get to, which is often on
the edges, isn't it. They played to the edges a lot,
you know. So yeah, then just a little bit brest

(05:44):
of ideas chasing the game again, throwing passes Willie Nelly
where they normally wouldn't. So yeah, they just kind of
came unstuck. I think as a collective unit, particularly on
at checked because they did enough defensively, and we just
spoke about the rucks how good they were terms of
recycling the ball. So an Iris team that gave away
way too many penalties and just made too many simple

(06:05):
eras on a check.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
What did you make of the yellow card for Jordi Barrett.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Make my fist look at it. To be honest, I
thought he hit his shoulder being you know, in that
kind of you know, because of the head class with
the initial shoulder contact, I thought.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
I might be all right.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
But I guess to the leader of the law, you know,
shouldered in head. I mean they're very very precious, which
they should be around the head. So look, you could
go either way. But I guess that was certainly wasn't
a red card. And I mean, you know he got
the yellow, so I guess you know that was justice.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
I suspose yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I mean I'm struggling with the rule answer. I don't
know about you, but because you're looking at it and
take another yellow card for the All Blacks. But then
you look at it and you say, I don't know
about the rule around this yellow card. But there have
been yellow cards and consecutive test matches now for the
All Blacks. Is it something they'll at least examine.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
And you know, the other thing we've got to remember that,
you know a lot of the yellow cards obviously coming
in the tackle area. You know, sometimes you have time
to get your technique right and sometimes you don't. And
bear in mind that Bundyak he had punched through the middle,
got a little offload away, you know. And if you
look at Jordi Berrat, he has a split chicken to
adjustice footwork to make a tackle, you know. And I

(07:23):
don't think that's ever considered. It's just if they get
it wrong to the wrong area, they're going to get
mailed with a yellow card, you know. I mean he
had a split second to get a good body around
in the right place and get a good shoulder shot on,
you know. So sometimes we don't even consider, you know,
the timing, and then of course all the mitigating factors
about players slipping and falling and all the rest of it.

(07:43):
I mean, it's a bit of a mind field pointy,
to be honest, But I guess ultimately we are trying
to look after the head and we know how precious
that is.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Absolutely, there's no doubt about the motivation for it all.
All right? So next week then it's France the All
Black scope and with I guess I don't know whether
the pressure is off. You might have a view on this.
Are they've beaten England, they've beaten Island, go to France.
Now you know what sort of mindset will they have
going into that game?

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Well, I think the ultimate thing for mine is you know,
I mean that's mostly yelleners probably thought that this autumn
tour was going to create some losses in the tank,
you know, add a few more on well, you know,
two and zero. They go to France against a team
again that we don't often follow and know a lot about,
you know, and they've got so much extravagance, innovative ways

(08:35):
to play the game. They're big and strong and physical.
So they're going to present another challenge for this All
Black group. But the momentum around this group is phenomenal.
We spoke about the coaching at the front end of
this chat, but the players themselves, you can just start
seeing the belief and I mean they're not they're not
changing a lot of people. They had two force changes,

(08:56):
I would I would say the team unless those two
come back and online, which I don't think they will
will be pretty similar again, getting some nice consistency of selection,
and I know and they know they can step up
a little bit more, you know, So maybe the French
game presents those opportunities to show a little bit more
about what this group has got as they continue to grow.
And that's all we've got to be encouraged about point.

(09:17):
I mean, you want to see the growth in the team,
and no better way to test the growth against the
very best in their backyard, and that's what we're currently
seeing right now.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, that's a great, great observation as always, and Hay,
great to talk to you man. Enjoy the rest of
your weekend always amen.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
I must say too, wonderful tribute by yourself with Nesbo
on Facebook.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
It's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Oh good on you, thanks mate, Yet no three hundred
and fifty test matches it deserves are we tribute? Thanks
an good to chat to your and Strau and former
All Black always perceptive with his observations, always bring something
to the table you hadn't thought about, right, I need
to hear your thoughts on a couple of things in
terms of team selection. I know we've we can let say,
team selection for next week. I know we're looking ahead

(10:02):
a little bit, but we can we can I think
start to think about next week with a lens on
the team for this week. I'd said before mid day
that I don't think you changed the team. I don't
think you bring Biden and Barrett back in at first five,
and I don't think you bring Cody Taylor back in
at hooker either. Gary says, Piney, take off your Wellington jersey.

(10:23):
Taylor definitely returns. Did you not see the first thrower
not straight? And another couple were doubtful. I thought of
one who was line out throwing on the whole was good. Yes,
there was that one that he didn't throw in straight.
There's been a bit of confusion around it. They were
trialing a law that if the opposition doesn't contest, then

(10:46):
throwing it in it is I get you. I mean,
you still can't throw it to your guy, but it
was a trial rule that if if the opposition didn't contest,
you could you got There was a bit of leeway
on that, and I don't think Island contested that. Be
that as it may. That was a trial rule which
isn't in force for these Automa Internationals. So the adjudic

(11:06):
of it not being thrown and straight was the right one.
But I think overall Asa was throwing into the line
at was good, wasn't it. I'll dig up the stats.
But apart from that one, did we lose a did
we lose a line out on our own throat? I
don't know that we did.

Speaker 8 (11:21):
Did we?

Speaker 9 (11:23):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eight on that? What else?
Damien McKenzie. Again, he tends to get doesn't he a
lot of heat? When the All Blacks lose a Test
match and he plays in it. You know, I look
back at the Test matches that we've lost this year
and I remember after the Argentina Test and Wellington he

(11:44):
got heat. After both losses in South Africa, he got heat.
So if we're going to give the guy heat, we
also have to give him praise when he plays like that.
Because I thought he was excellent. I thought he was
man of the match, Damien mackenzie. And as such, what
would it say if he was dropped next week? I

(12:07):
don't think he will be How can you drop him?
What do they say? You're only as good as your
last performance? Pretty damn good?

Speaker 7 (12:14):
Hello Ellen, Hello.

Speaker 10 (12:17):
One thing I'm always going to remember this game for
is this.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
All this hype up.

Speaker 10 (12:23):
About Sixton and Ione During the week A lot of
coaches would have backtracked and said, oh, it's all us through,
we're going to we got a game in front of us.
Scott Robinson and based it and said, yes, it's very
very real going into this game. I've been really apprehensible.
A week before the ball was even kicked off, I
did a complete U turn and that that was when

(12:46):
he got Rica.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
I only to lead the harker.

Speaker 10 (12:49):
You know, when you're going into a hostile territory.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 10 (12:54):
It's the stadiums and I set of backing off all
the stuff about six and an Ione. He invased it,
you know what I mean, And that's that's a build
teams to it us against the world. A lot of
people that have said what Scott Robinson edited the All Blacks,
so that is what he has added was symbolic in
this game. That that excellent alone that stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, no, that's a good takeaway, mate, That is a
good takeaway. And you're right. He could easily have been
diplomatic when he was asked that question. Couldn't he and
in fact, I think I think some of the Irish
even were They're like, oh, you know, that's in the past.
You know, we're focused on this game except for blah
blah blah. No Scott Robinson, You're right, Allen said, no, no,
there is. He's here.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
There is.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
He realizes Scott robertson that as well as having to
win test matches, he is in the entertainment game. You know,
he's in the he's in the the discretionary viewership game.
Why not create storylines, why not say, you know what,
there is a bit of heat. I just I you know,

(13:59):
I just loved that we beat Ireland. As an All
Blacks fan, I was more at the schedule for the year.
I was more interested in this game today than I
was the other test matches this year. This one was
the one I was looking forward to the most because
all they all Johnny Sexton's done since that quarterfinal is
just winge in a book whenever it gets the opportunity

(14:21):
on a podcast is winges and wines all the time.
We're in your head, Johnny, aren't we We're in your
head and you're not even playing anymore. Twelve twenty three
Full Border corps keep trying though, Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty back with more after.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
This, the Big Issues on and after Fields call Oh
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Speaker 2 (14:48):
Twelve twenty five. Talking All Blacks Isreland twenty three thirteen.
If you're just joining us, Nix says Jason, Barrett and
Taylor are the incumbents at first five and Hooker. They
were concussed in a winning performance. You don't demote them
as incumbents for that. It's a really interesting talking point, Nick,
You know, through no fold of their own. You're right
they were ruled out this week, but the blokes who
took their place were two of our best. It's an

(15:10):
interesting selection conversation.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Hello Ben, Hey, Poonty, how are you mean?

Speaker 12 (15:16):
Good?

Speaker 10 (15:16):
Ben?

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Good?

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Sort of a sort of a messy one that when
there's a world is away, I suppose, but then I
just want to shige some line. It took me back
when he killed the Comeback from the Irish, and it
took me back to the World Cup where he should
have won one, but it was Sam Whylott who went

(15:39):
on to to win the He the stuff to that
comeback in that game. But you just saw his reaction
after that, after where he won and it was a
bit emotional years but that was sort of the moment
where it killed Ireland's comeback.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I wrote that down. Oh yeah, I wrote that down.
I was I was sort of making a few notes
ahead of the show celebrations.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Yeah, it just he stood up his a look on
his face was that because the last time he done
in the book up. I mean it was Aaron Smith
get up, you know, because he was stuck there looking
at the wrist like, hey, you know in the in
the touches and whatnot. But no, they the rich didn't
think so so that you know, on and just that

(16:23):
moment after old James Lowe you know, started celebrating from
his fifty twenty is the old they kicked He said,
he was celebrating, man, But it was hang on, how
you get down here and see the line out and
win the game Thursday? I mean, England celebrating from them
and already just stood up and didn't know that's it
where we go in the most Nick, Hey, get on

(16:46):
with it, Get on with it.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, get on with it, mate. Indeed that it's been mate,
you're so right. I thought that when James low was
was celebrating too. He's kicked that fifty twenty two. Good
kick too, mate. Yeah you're thirteen, you're twenty three thirteen down. Mate.
At least win the line out first, score some points
and then celebrate. You're so right and and Artie, I've

(17:10):
got it here. At seventy four minutes, Islands are on attack,
the All Blacks push them back and then Artie gets
over the ball and wins a penalty. In the seventy
fourth minute, we clear our lines and you know, from
there it always felt like we were going to win. Yeah,
that was I thought that was a good venuea celebrating
for a fifty twenty two ten points down. Jamie high mate,

(17:35):
Are you still there? Are you there?

Speaker 13 (17:36):
Jamie?

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I can it's almost like you're off. I might put
your back on hold. Have we got you there?

Speaker 7 (17:40):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Now you've got you there, so you can Jimmy, I've
got you Jamie.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (17:48):
Sorry, just just trying to mold the lawns and talk
at the same time, but not looking them. Just yeah,
just yeah, yeah for me, Yeah, just there's some of
the some of the selections. I thought more Jordan the
fullback was outstanding. I think you sort of put the
debate about whether he can you know, where he's an

(18:10):
international football fullback or not to bed. Damien McKenzie probably
his best game pat from a couple of years, probably
his best game since he's been the number ten or yeah,
probably probably his best game for the in and all
that Jersey as well, both from the couple of a
couple of not straight line outs, but and also the beach.

(18:30):
You know, they're just continuing to improve week by week
since since we've played the South Africans.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, all good points, Jamie. Did you think there was
doubt over will Jordan at fullback?

Speaker 12 (18:43):
I think I think there was there. There were definitely
people questioning that. I mean, of course he's been out
outstanding on the wing and of course outstanding and super
rubbian at fifteen. But yeah, I think that's yeah, Yeah,
it's just just an impression I've got from from lots
of others. That's it's just work way I see it anyway.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, and look, I think rises always like them at fifteen,
hasn't he as you pointed out, for the Crusaders, it
was always always the fifteen that he wore. It always
seemed inevitable once once Raiser took control of the all
backs that Will Jordan would find himself there. It took
a few tests at the start of the year, but
he's there and yeah, I kind of feel like he's
your man there now at full back. Another try, destined

(19:26):
to break that record. What would you do next week?
What would you do next week at first five? Jamie?

Speaker 12 (19:31):
Oh, I mean, I haven't been that. I haven't been
DMX biggest thing is the biggest fan as a ten
for sure. But it's a hard one and both in
and the games he's played the is that've done pretty well.
But yeah, maybe you you lose a lot either way.
You'll no doubt one will go on the bench and

(19:54):
then Pat. So yeah, I mean it's I guess it's
a conundu, but you know that. I mean, but they're both,
they'll both be playing for sure. It's just done where
the one starting and wins off runs off the bench
as well. Yep.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
On Jamie being on mate, Yeah, back to the lawn's mate.
I don't want to hold you up too long, you'll
get yourself in trouble. Thanks for calling, and they made
enjoy the rest of the afternoon. You're right. Did Stephen
Peterfitter even get on? I don't think he got on, Toddy.
I didn't see him go on unless it was right
at the end. George Bell went on for twenty seven seconds.
I mean, you know, just leave us for one more,

(20:31):
on for another thirty seconds. It's almost it's not an insult.
I don't know it's a but George Bell will get
a test cap for that. Nothing against him. Good on him,
you know, for chalking up another appearance. But I think
it was twenty seven seconds.

Speaker 14 (20:48):
Hello Peter, Hey, how you doing there?

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Very good?

Speaker 14 (20:54):
Not a stunning spectacle of a game, but a great armysolt.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
I thought, yep.

Speaker 14 (21:02):
And what I thought was funny is we've been seeing
the the Irish. They've been trying to play their wide
expensive news deal inside again and we want to know
where we gets its guilties.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, may right, Peter. We're up in the Northern Hemisphere.
We always accused them, don't we have going up in threes?
That's exactly what we did.

Speaker 14 (21:27):
Exactly, And I don't see it's a bed louses becauses.
I thought discipline was great. There is one thing I'd
change for the team next week, which you may have
when I talked about, and that's a funny.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Happy Yeah, I'd make a change there, Peter. I'd bring
Roy Garden. I like Corti's Latona. I like him a lot,
and I thought it was ironic that the thing that
most people have earmarked about him, his speed of clearance
from the ruck, was something he didn't do well today,
again through no file of his own. But I'd be
the same, Peter. I'd be starting Roy Garden in Paris.

Speaker 14 (22:03):
I thought Roy Gard was good at the breakdown, at
fighting to get the ball out.

Speaker 7 (22:07):
He was good at moving the ball.

Speaker 14 (22:09):
But his box kicks were just incredible, weren't they.

Speaker 15 (22:13):
He's got a.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Made boot on him. Yeah, he's got a consistance.

Speaker 14 (22:19):
Absolutely, He'd be my my stating heartbeat going forward, you know,
from now on. I mean, I think Courtiers has still
got some things to work on, especially his decision Makman
kicking from the base. But yeah, he was definitely, I mean,
the man was your best player, courts Rather and I

(22:39):
hate to make this claim, but I think he was
your worst fan out there.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Who's court you Saint Courtez.

Speaker 14 (22:49):
Yeah, I say Cortez was probably Will out there.

Speaker 9 (22:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I just think he had a difficult night, Peter, and
look that's no again, a lot of it was through
no fall of his own, the way that the Irish
monstered us at collision time, particularly early in the game. Look,
I think I think the Cameroy Guard, Courtez laught and
add Noah Hope them into that. I think those three
over this World Cup cycle to come, and there'll be
others who put their hand up as well. I think
it's a terrific cohort of halfbacks when once they build it.

(23:14):
I mean it feels to me it's like Cam roy
Guard's already not the finished article, but already a terrific
test halfback. Cortes he'll learn as he goes. He's had
a good year, you know, getting he's got, he's got
games under his belt. I mean, the roy Guard of
Utima one two punch is going to be really powerful
for us.

Speaker 14 (23:30):
It will be absolutely absolutely. I just think, you know,
roy Guard is going to be better at the start
of the set up the game, and Radham will be
far more effective in the tiring opposition.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Good stuff, Pete up. We're on the same page when
it comes to our half backs. I get the feeling
that the Your Black selectors will do the same thing.
Whether they decide to gay a game that might wait
until the game against Itilian Turin. I think they'll flick
them around for next week. Eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Enjoying your chat on the All Black.

Speaker 7 (23:59):
Hello, Vinnie, Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 9 (24:04):
Very good?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Vinnie?

Speaker 16 (24:08):
Can hear me?

Speaker 9 (24:08):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Okay there, mate, you're right, you're on the air.

Speaker 15 (24:11):
Yeah, I can hear now, awesome, can hear me?

Speaker 12 (24:14):
I can?

Speaker 15 (24:16):
Oh, yeah, awesome. I gotta I gotta compliment. Yeah, I
gotta compliment regard on his performance today. But I got
to give it up to up to because I'll Gibson
wasn't giving them any any space to breathe because on
the scrum, Gibson was right in his face from the
start all the way until he came off. There was

(24:36):
a bit of he was a bit of muck ups.
But yeah, I was giving him heat myself. But yeah,
I gotta, I've gotta give it to I wasn't a
night to night, but.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
You're right, about jameson Gibson Park then he he I mean,
he's become a top quality half back, hasn't he? And
no doubt he would have been you know, right up
you could you could see the refereend Nick Barry, couldn't
you saying you know number nine, number nine? You getting
a bit closer? You know, he was right up on
the line, wasn't he a scrum time just right up
against the you know, the the edge of the law
and making it difficult of court is Latimer.

Speaker 15 (25:08):
That's exactly it. He's got that first ten minutes of
the game where he can kind of do as much
legal things that you can and then pretty much you
back off after the roof stay hey, no more of that,
no more good time. So yeah, I thought that was awesome,
beautiful but defending lineup beautiful.

Speaker 11 (25:29):
I love that.

Speaker 15 (25:30):
I love seeing my Ford Pexx work. It's bloody awesome.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, Jason right will be pleased for me. I think
I think the set piece was really good. The scrum
I think he held its own and line up we
stole a few of theirs. We had that one not
straight again, I thought one more, you know, had had
a good game. He maybe probably wasn't quite quite as
prominent and the loose as he normally is what we
know of oursel more, the way he runs with ball
in hand today, it was really his core roles. I

(25:54):
thought he was, you know, for the most part across
eighty minutes or thereabouts, was really good at.

Speaker 15 (26:00):
Yeah, I totally agree with him. It was awesome.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
It was awesome.

Speaker 15 (26:04):
He looked a lot more happier, a little bit so
for t Leah. He looked a little bit hungry for
the board but not getting said no, I.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Don't mean yeah, yeah, the wingers. It must be because
the game was played so much in the middle, wasn't
it there? There wasn't a bit wide much really at all.
I can remember a couple of times. I think Tilly
had one run in the first half, I think down
the right hand side where he was similar to last
week when he got that try, but he couldn't manage
at this time. But yeah, he and Clark, the Borders didn't.

(26:33):
The Borders didn't find its way out much past center,
did it really, or even past second five?

Speaker 15 (26:37):
Yeah? Yeah, But also our boys in the mid battles awesome, awesome.
I was a bit worried here and there but they
stood there ground. It took a whole lot of boards
from from Ireland themselves. Good.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
A lot to like, Vinite, Yeah, a lot to like, mate,
good to see indeed, good to chet Tom. Thanks for
calling in eight hundred ten eighty. Let's keep going, Ralph,
Hi mate.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Hang on Barny, good Ralph.

Speaker 7 (27:06):
Just a couple of things I want to talk about.
I was a little bit shock. I saw the two
lineups and they started full of game. Have you look
at the lineups compared to when we last played them.
They're missing a couple of guys, obviously Johnny Sex, and
it's a massive loss for them. But you look at
the guys we've lost since the World Cup, and to
do that in Dublin, I mean full credit to the

(27:28):
whole quote.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, I think maybe that's been overlooked a little bit.
I know a lot of people have made the point,
Ralph about the players who have left since last year,
and you're right. You look, I think what I obviously
came off the bench last time, didn't he in that
quarter final? A white lock Retallic, Aaron Smith, Richie Moonger,
Jenniferzelle I think would have played in that Test match.
So that you're right, it's a it's quite a different side.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
It's not insignificant. And I mean even some of these
guys that you know that like you get the likes
of sneakers that have only played in a handful of games,
to stand up like that a week after playing England
and and flipping them like you go back a month
when we're talking about these guys leaving before they went
to Japan. What have you picked that they would be

(28:14):
three from three on the Northern Tour?

Speaker 17 (28:15):
Now?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Nope, noun Nina did I?

Speaker 7 (28:20):
And I mean we can say, okay, we were lucky
to get away with it from England and you know,
you know, but you can only play who's in front
of you and to be three from three, particularly the
last two games. I mean, if we if we do
battle against France and then getting tipped up, they can
still all hold their heads high. I mean, what are
we aiming for twenty seven that week?

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
No, you're right, And Ralph, I fully expected us at
you know today, at twelve thirty nine, on the ninth
of November, to have lost one of the two previous
I just thought we'd blues either to England or to Ireland.

Speaker 7 (28:53):
Yeah, I mean that you're going into the den, you're
playing them in front of their rabid fans and coming
off a short turn around this morning as well, you know,
Friday night. I don't know how they managed to wrangle
that one did a Friday night test, but they seem
to do it. It's just I think, I think, you know,
give credit to the players and the coaching group. I mean,
we've yet we lost to the box twice again, pretty

(29:16):
close losses Argentina was probably a little bit of of
an anomaly, unexpected.

Speaker 15 (29:22):
But I mean, if we're.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
Thinking this is the first year this coaching group, with
this playing group speaking that I'm looking forward to the
next year, the year after and in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, you talk about twenty twenty seven, Ralph, you know,
you think about the three test matches we all hope
we'll finish twenty twenty seven, and that's an All Blacks quarterfinal,
semi final final. Look, we might have just had our
quarterfinal in our semi final, you know, and look forward
to our final next week. If we if we're chatting
in three years time, you and the made, I'll be
pretty happy if we're looking forward to a game.

Speaker 7 (29:51):
Next week Oh, it'll be absolutely fantastic. I'll put on
the calendar.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
To man Rael stuff. I will too, Mate, I will too.
Thanks for your call. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty twelve forty is the time back with more of
your calls after.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
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Speaker 2 (30:16):
Twelve forty three. Homer says, I'm the biggest sam Kin
fan out there, but I'd start Artie at seven and
Wallace at eight next week. That's our future. We have
to embrace it. Otherwise they're not going to do that.
Keep the same team. Thanks for your text, Hamish, Hello.

Speaker 11 (30:27):
Brad, Yeah, what your piney look?

Speaker 8 (30:30):
Great game today from the ABS. I just think with
Damien McKenzie, he has had that game in him for
a long time. There was no doubt that he was
raised as man at the start of the season and
that time in the chair through the Winter Internationals has
just culminated in that performance.

Speaker 15 (30:47):
Today where he's put it all together.

Speaker 10 (30:48):
So well done.

Speaker 8 (30:49):
You know, raisor Robinson for giving him that crack at
the start of the season and then when he had
to step up today he certainly did. I think half back.
You know, a few question marks there about Cortez. Yes,
he was under pressure a lot at rut time, but
I feel that his lack of speed and clearing that
ball just gave the Irs the opportunity to put the
second shove on it the ruck and put us under

(31:10):
more pressure. So again I'm certainly with roy guard for
next week.

Speaker 15 (31:15):
You know, we've spoken. I've heard a lot of people, you.

Speaker 8 (31:17):
Know, give us praise today. The scrum and the line
out were great, but one point on set piece and
it pains me to say this, but it was almost
Crusaders like clinical was the kickoffs. You know, when you
kick six penalties, you're going to be receiving a lot
of kickoffs and when you do that you must exit. Well,
now they stuck Jordy Barrett under those kirkoffs that went

(31:38):
down the middle and a lot sort of covered the sideline.
But that second half when we were knocking penalties over,
our ability to retain position from the kickoff and exit
was crucial enough to give them a sniff and sort
of you know, come back with points straight away. So
you know, just those simple things like those those kickoffs
and those exits I think certainly helped us a long

(32:00):
way to just shutting them out of that game. And yeah,
fantastic performance.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
You have three good points, Brad. That well, that last
one is interesting because that hasn't been the hallmark of
this All Blacks team this year. They've and that in
fact had some real issues exiting not just from kickoffs
but from you know, set play inside their own twenty two.
You're right, the place today were really good and on rutima.
Interesting you say that because that was that's a hallmark
of his game, right is speed is the speed of

(32:27):
his clearance from the ruck. I just think maybe he
was just a bit rattled by the Irish physicality this morning.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
You know, Yeah, I agree he was.

Speaker 15 (32:34):
It's not all his fault, but I think he'd be
the first to put.

Speaker 8 (32:37):
His hand up and say that wasn't his best game.
But it just goes to show that, you know, the
backs of those sports that are lining up from that
ruck to do the next thing when he looks up
and wants them to be ready. I think sometimes when
he was looking up to clear it, perhaps they weren't,
you know, waiting for a five four three two one user.
It's like a you know, you're giving the opposition that opportunity.

(32:59):
They know exactly when you're going to clear it, and
it puts you under more pressure. But yeah, look he'll
come back. But look, you know he didn't played that
well last week. You need a storming game. This week
was superb, you know, but a real maturity to that
performance today to show that we can put it with
the big boys up north and almost beat them at
their own game.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
I thought today good points well mate, Brad, thanks mate, Yeah,
well thought out and I'm nodding my head in agreement
at all of it. Ah eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighties our numberless keep going, hello, Roger, good thanks,
yeah point, Roger just turned that. Yeah I'm Roger on
good Mate radio down talk to me mate.

Speaker 13 (33:36):
Yeah, I've turned it off mate, Thank you, Hey, thanks
for being such a great guy.

Speaker 10 (33:39):
Mate.

Speaker 13 (33:40):
I heard a wonderful morning. My pre match was wed
sprang for a couple of hours of the fifteen kiloed
backpack up marching up and down the older driveway and
that mate, but made I'll just work myself into a frenzy.
But you know your argument on nine ten by previous squad.
I think stress those Irish sports were hitting hard early,

(34:00):
they were knocking to have big boys back. Yeah, ro
Guard was better when he came on, but he's rucking
some pressure. I think ten Hey McKenzie's thought he had
a good game. But I think we're looking to brought
to the World Cup. You know, I think Raydon might
have caught up as sleeve. I reckon he's going to
bring Richie back into the mix. Boden's done a great
job and transition. I think our probably position of worry

(34:21):
for the future of seven because Sammy has just done
such an amazing job. I just don't we just need
we just need someone coming through it seven May and
I think in thirteen and I hope maybe hopefully prompt
the Jensus chance. But I think brought in towards the
World Cup, I think we should be worrying about positions
are concerned and for me they are seven and thirteen. Mate,

(34:42):
For do you reckon seven?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Seven? Absolutely? Seven? Absolutely, Roger And I'm just looking at
the I'm just looking at at the All Blacks year.
Sam Kine has started the last seven test matches in
the seven Jersey, so there is no way that there's
a look to the future there, because as we know,
he's gone at the end of this year. Dalton Papale
has had three starts this year, four starts this year

(35:05):
rather and Ethan black out of the other one. Look,
I really like Peter Larkeye, but then again, that's my
Hurricanes Wellington bias coming through. But to your point, at
some point we're gonna have to They're going to have
to decide, Okay, who is our at least who are
our options at seven moving forward? Because at the moment
it's just Sam Kine and he ain't there beyond the

(35:25):
end of the year.

Speaker 13 (35:26):
I imagine if Fraser didn't welcome back into the into
the group, I think we could be in real trouble
at the moment. So let's hope for next year, mate,
we get La Kai and a few You must hopefully
that that you know, something has to come or dog
and just has to step up. I don't know, mat,
I don't have the answer there, but that'll be a
next year thing. I would assume, right, how goods.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
The nine o'clock kickoff in the morning, Rode, you get
the weed stray dune before the game?

Speaker 13 (35:49):
Mate, I'm loving it. I was loving it. I just
tended to crack beers and just set down, but the
old meadow was just giving me a hard time. Mate.
Oh so I've cooked away now actually to the Bunnings,
and I've I've cracked on mate, I've slipped into the locals.
So yeah, hey, sorry about that, good.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Man, Roger. You're a good man. Thanks mate. Good to
check callback anytime, my friend. Eight hundred and eighty ten eight.
You've got a couple more nine o'clock kickoff sexually over
the next two weekends Sundays, of course, but maybe that'll
work for your whed spraying as well. How often are
you supposed to weed spray? Do you do it weekly?

Speaker 7 (36:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Hello Dean, Oh, how are you doing all right?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Good?

Speaker 4 (36:26):
I just wanted to talk about Rattner's game. I thought
the referee. You know, if you look at it, when
the referee says use it and it has a half deck,
you haven't had enough time to organize your forwards to
butt your your two blocks. And the Irish were quite
clever and as much soon as the referee said use it,

(36:49):
they put a nudge on. And I've never really I've
never really been keen on a referee telling people when
you know, tell especially your half pick when to use
the ball.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, I guess, I guess if they don't, though, Dean,
then you know, I get what it is. It's like
a use it or I'm going to penalize you or
or you know, or give it to the other team.
So it's it's a it's a useful piece of colms.
But yeah, as you say, it was the cue for
the Iris to give it another another shove changed the
picture for Cortez last to a bit more pressure on him.

(37:24):
So yeah, I think he'd admit he had a challenging
a challenging game.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah, well, he just called it. Look, that's only criticism
I have of the ref. I thought he was I
thought he was very consistent. But he just he just called.
He just called. But the other ma not have about
him as he took too long to set the scrumber,
but he could. He just didn't give enough time. He

(37:50):
should look at that ball and see that that's not settled.
And you know, to some degree anyway, it's just a
little bit too quick and made made right after Russia's his.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Game a little Yeah, No, it's a good pointing and
and something. I'm sure that they'll they'll show OHI and
the review and come up with a strategy to combat.
You know, it's not going to be the last time
that a team tries to disrupt you know, quick ball
from the base of the All Blacks ruck. They know
it's a strength of Cortez Latima. I rememb when he
came on. What was his first test? Was it against

(38:21):
England up at eden Park? I remember, I remember he
came on and straight away the speed from the base
of the ruck was improved massively And that was when
he was on debull. It was England at eden Park.
I remember Christie started the test and then Latimer came
on and straight away we just looked so much better

(38:42):
from the base of the ruck, and that was his debut.
Hamid says piney, mate, if you're wheat spraying weekly, you're
probably doing it wrong. Thanks a look, I will freely
admit it's not my wheelhouse, mate, it's not my wheelhouse.
We need Peter wolf Camp for that sort of thing,
not me. If you're looking for gardening advice, you've come
to the wrong place. Seven to one new Stalk said be.

Speaker 11 (39:04):
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call Weegen Sports with Jason Pine News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Four to one on News TALKSB that our has flown by.
We're going to open the lines again after one o'clock
course get an Irish view. Michael Corkran is the voice
of Irish rugby in many ways. He's called so many
Test matches and will join us after one o'clock to
give us an Irish viewpoint. What did he make of
the first Irish Test for a few months. Yeah, I'd

(39:34):
be very very keen to get Michael Corkran's view will
continue to canvas yours as well from Joe will do.
Damien McKenzie a controlled performance by him. A Moore stood up.
He worked hard around the park, throwing to the line
at improved Apart from that one throw. He's a player
that needs to be playing as much as possible and
will get better. Razor will be pleased with his effort
today and the confidence he can now be relied upon.

(39:56):
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were Damien McKenzie and Asuffle al Moore. Michael Corkran with
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Speaker 1 (41:04):
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eighty Weekends Sport with Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New
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Speaker 18 (41:15):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
News talks. There'll be coming up one twenty nine. We'll
take a few more calls on the All Blacks. Don't
delay though, because we are going to move at some
stage soon. Sherward, thanks for holding.

Speaker 17 (41:26):
Yes, Piney, I just thought I might leave you with
a little thought for the day. Do you think the
Scots might be pretty chuffed about beating the Irish today?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
The Scotts might be chuffed about beating the Irish.

Speaker 17 (41:40):
Yes, Scott Robertson and Scott Barrett.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I thought that's what you meant, Sherwood. I thought that's
what you meant. I wasn't quite sure. I was trying
to think if you were being a little bit more
oblique about things. But yes, I think the Scots, Raiser
and Barrett will be very pleased about beating the Irish.
I think they will be. You'd be pretty pleased as well,
wouldn't you.

Speaker 17 (42:02):
Oh? Yes, very pleased? Who could d ask for better
in Ireland on their own patch? What a nice thought
for the day.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
What a lovely thought for the day. Sure, indeed we
can enjoy it. The Scots will enjoy it. It's a
very good point you make.

Speaker 7 (42:18):
Hello, Tim, Hey, piny Hey.

Speaker 19 (42:21):
Wasn't it interesting every time the Orblecks made an era.
I think it was Low that kicked the fifty twenty two.
That they were just celebrating like they had won a
game and they were behind on the school board by
ten points. I thought, man, these guys have just lost it.
I mean, you've got to look at the school board.

(42:41):
That's all we needed to say.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
I think I thought they Yeah, sorry, Tom, I just
want to say, I thought that island. What were they here?
They were had fifteen and where was they here thirteen
nine when they scored that try just halfter half time?
Yeah yeah, and and converted it and with fourteen men

(43:05):
for still you know, another seven or eight minutes at
thirteen to nine ahead, that was their chance.

Speaker 19 (43:10):
I think exactly, mate. And I've got to give a
big shout out to I suffer Old Moore. I think
he played nearly eighty minutes, mate.

Speaker 15 (43:18):
He was man for me.

Speaker 19 (43:19):
He was the man of the match. I mean, his
his ball retention. He must have had about ten ten runs, mate,
and they were post contact meters too. They weren't easy.
He only had one way would throw, and even that
was questionable. But I think for me Ifer Old Moore
was the man of the match.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Andy played seventy five minutes last week and you're right
to him. He got taken off with thirty seconds to go,
so effectively he played eighty minutes. So back to back,
seventy five minutes and eighty minutes for a hooker that
never ever happens, man never happens.

Speaker 19 (43:56):
Just amazing, mate, just amazing. What kind of ticket he has.
I hope Kurdie Taylor comes back in next week because
Old will probably need a rest. We've got the big
Frenchman next week, mate, so if we can get them,
oh you know, this would just be a blessed time
for the or blessed.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Lega indeed, indeed, good on your term. Good good thoughts, mate,
good thoughts, thanks for calling them in a eight hundred
and eighty ten out of Yeah. I think that's the thing.
I guess about a sappho on Moor as well, which
which probably I should take into my consideration. I talked
before about how Asaf Moor has earned another start. But
then you look at him and you say, okay, seventy
five minutes last week eighty today, maybe you do just say, hey,

(44:31):
a suffo, you've been terrific, but you know we'll freshen
you up. Come off the bench again next week, mate,
do what you do for twenty minutes in that impact
role with the sixteen on your back. We'll bring Cody
back in and you know you can.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
You can.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
You've earned the right to become an impact plan next week. Now,
I'm not sure that the same thing applies to Damien mackenzie.
You might have a view on this whether Damien McKenzie,
having played this Test match and played it well, should
keep a spot. I think he should. I mean it's
probably tough on Boden Barrett, who threw no fault of

(45:04):
his own this one. Right, you look back at so
body played the Test against Australia and Wellington, then Mackenzie
played against Japan, body played last week. So Boden Barratt's
the incumbent first five. I think we can all agree
on that that he is at the moment the incumbent

(45:26):
first choice first five. However, can cast last week, couldn't
play today, So what do you do then with regards
to first five next week when Damian Mackenzie had a
very good game. But do you go back to the
old mantra of if you miss a game through no
fault of your own injury or concussion and you're the incumbent,

(45:50):
you come straight back in. It'll be a conversation to
be had, no doubt about what they do against France
next week. I feel like de max E in the
chance for another game. You know, I thought, I said
up a couple of times, thought he and our Moore
were our best players. How did d mac himself feel
about his game? Well, our Rugby editor and match commentator

(46:11):
Elliot Smith had the chance to find out. Here is
Elliot Smith speaking after the game with Damien Mackenzie.

Speaker 13 (46:19):
Damning congratulations on that. When what was it built on tonight.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
For the All Blacks?

Speaker 17 (46:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (46:24):
I think it was built on winning little moments of
the game and I think we were able to do
that and pretty much mentioned them up front, particularly with
our forwards did a really good job and that aspect,
and I think just for us as drivers, just making
sure we're putting the ball in front of our thoughts tonight,
and I think who did a pretty good job of
creating pressure through our kicking game, and particularly when you're

(46:45):
playing over here and it's a little bit wet as
it was tonight. He wanted to make the job as
easy as possible for our forwards and that was through
our kicking games. So our thoughts did a great jobs,
layer awesome platform for us and had great stake with
the one.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
It felt like you built pressure throughout the game, press
more so than you've been able to do in recent times.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 20 (47:05):
I think we had into the ball really well, kick
well at times, and a few penalties, but obviously put
ourselves in great areas of the park and and then
nailed a couple of kicks, so you know that's we
obviously had a short turn around from last weekend and
when you had to nail a few things this weekend.
There are a great side and playing in the Aviva,

(47:26):
it's some atmosphere and you know it's never easy playing
to come out in.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
The last few years win that match.

Speaker 18 (47:34):
We were really started.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
How much did you put on that as a team
to win and go make a bit of a statement and.

Speaker 20 (47:39):
Dublin, Yeah, I think it's you know, we're building really
nicely as a team, and I think it's I guess
it's not really about proving a point or making a statement.
It's just about making sure we're playing our best rugby
and patches here tonight when we saw that, and like
I said, in test matches, you've got to win wee moments,
and I think we were able to do that. Forwards
were outstanding, thanks to the great job as well, and

(48:02):
yeah we wrapped.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
They as Damien Mackenzie understated, as always he never writes
the high sue high, does he? Or the low's too
low Damien Mackenzie. Maybe that's the secret of it all
that he just doesn't get too carried away either way.
I think it'd be secretly delighted. I want to hear
the thoughts of Scott Raiser Robertson in just a sick
Sherwood's call before about the Scotts being the Irish. I've

(48:28):
been reminded by Craig there's another one, Scott Hanson as well. Yes, great,
you're right, So the Scott's Hanson, Robertson Barrett will be
pretty pleased with the way they beat the Irish couple
of texts here and we'll get back to the lines
in a minute. Bringing the boys back just makes our
bench even better next week. The bench has improved, especially
with Twey, Pilotsu and Roygard on there.

Speaker 7 (48:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Well you know one of d mac or or boar
It will be on the bench next week, won't they
regardless of what they decide, So bench will be strengthened.
Did Stephen Pitifitter get on this morning? I asked that before.
He didn't get on? Okay, thanks Andy, Yeah, so you know,

(49:10):
I'm glad they didn't. They remember Stephen Paraferer made his
All Blacks debut. It was against wasn't it against Ireland
last year and he got like something like a minute
off the bench. I'm glad they didn't do that to him.
George Bell though, got his twenty seven seconds.

Speaker 15 (49:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I'm not quite sure why they do that, Richard, I.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Make good mate, Sorry, just doing some concerting.

Speaker 16 (49:31):
Hey, look, the only question about whether you stock a
more back on or Barrett. The only reason having that
talk recarding Barrett and Mackenzie, it's neither him there completely convincing.
If it was Dan Cardi you'd be soing sure he's
back on because in neither of these guys have set
the world alike at first five, the jury's out. That's

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my impression of it, and it's a good impression.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
What about it? What about it? Howker?

Speaker 15 (49:57):
Then?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, by using that logic, then Richard, Cody Taylor has
been one of our best. So you'd have you'd have
Cody Taylor coming back in.

Speaker 16 (50:05):
Yeah, I would surely because of what I was just
about to say, what the other guy said, big bet
ring Oldham's head over the last two games, and you
know he may be better off coming back and halfway
through the game, and Cody Taylor as he gets back
because he's had a head, noock, half the game might
be enough for him.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
All right, So who are you picking at first five? Then,
before you get back to your concreting.

Speaker 16 (50:30):
Look, I think I would probably give Barrett another run.
I still think the mat is a journeyman in that position.
I think he's a good all round on the bench
for any position in the back line. But he may
have had a blinder today, but there's too many where
he hasn't had an average game.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
So that's my thoughts, No valid thoughts, Richard, Thanks mate,
Thanks for calling them on appreciate you taking time out
of your your busy afternoon to paul Us. Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number. Um, I've
read that one, so I won't read it again, Len,
says Jason. That's just the second game of rugby I've
watched since the World Cup. I couldn't believe my eyes

(51:12):
three days ago when I saw the All Blacks paying
two dollars sixty for the win.

Speaker 15 (51:15):
I had to have some of that.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Have they ever paid such a price before, Glenn, I
don't think that they have. I was thinking this during
the week when I saw these odds. I can't remember
a time when the All Backs were playing The All
Blacks were paying two dollars sixty on our tab in
South Africa, not South Africa Ireland. The meantime a dollar
forty seven. Maybe I can't recall the odds when we

(51:38):
played South Africa midyear this year, but I don't think
it was two sixty plays a dollar forty seven. I'm
almost certain that it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
keV, Hi mate, yay, how are keV?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I'm great good.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
I just want to do a shout out to Nurse Bayes.
What a what an legend, what an absolute legend. I
was just I was smoking the cows this plenty, so
I couldn't watch it live and then to go and
feed the calves. But I saw him just now and
I thought, well, I'll call up honey and say, what
are legend? What a genius?

Speaker 5 (52:16):
What a great guy?

Speaker 18 (52:17):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (52:17):
Mate?

Speaker 17 (52:18):
Is good?

Speaker 12 (52:18):
Well, well, I would.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
Say equal to Keith Quinn, the great Keith Quinn.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, it's on a part for me as well, keV. Yeah,
on a part. Yeah, three hundred tests this morning. We've
got got Nisbel on the air tomorrow. Actually, keV, you
might be interested if you've got the chance to have
a listen going to chat to Nizbel about his three
hundred and fiftieth game and the highlights of his career.
But yeah, you use the word legend, and it gets
used a lot, but it is not. It is you know,

(52:44):
it is absolutely appropriate here. You're did right.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
It's not it's not given lightly, mate, It's not given lightly.
It's never given lightly. Legend means the legend.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Good on your keV, good stuff, mate, thanks for calling,
and I totally agree with you. I absolutely totally agree.

Speaker 21 (53:00):
Hello Dean, Hello, then Tiny here the same thing about
in this but just just amazing and hopefully you're on
the way to the same thing.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
You mentioned if I could three hundred and fifty Phoenix
Games team.

Speaker 21 (53:18):
Well, you got a long way to go, but you
got you're a good caller and you got to you know,
you come across well on the radio. Look, there just
one comment about all the game. The Irish had the
drop seat. I mean, we kicked them back to them
when they were here in New Zealand and they scored,
didn't they And I was disappointed the ball they kicked
back to them, and particularly that one when Mackenzie was

(53:41):
running right and there were five All Blacks out there
and I think there were two or three and two
or three irishmen and the overlap was screaming. You never
even locked. You just booted a long one and the
X All Black, the X New Zealand one. I got
it and booted it down about sixty meters and we
were back in our twenty five again. So yeah, they

(54:03):
kicked away too much ball and the Irish was short
of a game. Could see that. But the Blacks are improving.
I'm impressed by.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
That, good man Dean. Thanks mate, appreciate your call very much. Clark,
I think you're going to have the final say today
on the All Blacks performance. What's on your mind?

Speaker 14 (54:21):
Oh yeah, I think the.

Speaker 22 (54:24):
I think the All Blacks here to bring his game
this morning. I do just get absolutely sick of people
running down DM it. You know, the guy just did
a man of a Mets performance against the number one
side in the world. What more did he have to
do to get a spot?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Clark? I look again, I agree. I would give him
that ten ten jersey next week.

Speaker 12 (54:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I think you know, as I said at the top
of the show, you might have heard it, you might not.
He's a very polarizing rugby player for whatever reason, similar
to Carlos Spencer. You know, he just whatever whatever reason
polarizes people. I think he had a terrific test match.
And if I'm picking the team for next week, he's
in the ten jersey.

Speaker 22 (55:05):
I think so too.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yep, good Nan, Clark, And and I'm a huge boton
Barrett fan. I'm a massive boat and Barrett fan. But
I'd give the ten I'd give the keys to the
carter to d MAT next week. A friend of mine
just texting me, Pony, I got three dollars fifteen on
the All Blacks on sports Bet three dollars fifteen.

Speaker 18 (55:26):
One.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
When we come back, we'll get you across the Tasman.
Will a catch up with Australian correspondent Adam Peacock.

Speaker 11 (55:32):
It's more than just a game. Weekend sport with Jason
Kine and g J.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Gardneromes New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

Speaker 11 (55:40):
News talks, they'd.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Be news talks, they'll be one forty six. Let's get
you across the Tasman. Adam Peacock, one of the hardest
working men on that side of the Tasman, or on
any side of the Tasman, joins us. Now what a
week it's been for you. Are you still in Victoria
or not?

Speaker 23 (55:55):
Yes, just getting ready for big champions Day here three
group ones over.

Speaker 19 (56:00):
This part of the world.

Speaker 23 (56:01):
Poney so was a little bit of a KEYWI interest
as well. I think Eleatric Star goes around in the
sprint three year old silly from over your part. So
now it's been a it's been a great week and
of course we claiming now here. Let's she's been here
for a while. She had relaxing, but I think she's
still got the chase of the key, were accident winning
the Cup early in the week. So one of the
best stories going around that is that's one hundred to
one winner.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, yeah, brilliant, I mean, And I guess the major
storyline of Melbourne Cup week it's it's a it's a
huge week, isn't it. You know, I don't want to
sort of, you know, state the obvious too much, but
it's a massive week of horse racing, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (56:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (56:39):
So you've got eight group ones, the three of which
are today. They call it Champions Day. They've done a
really good job in recalibrating this day used to be
just a bit of a nondescript one one group one.
Everyone's kind of drying out from the week, if you
know what I mean, because it is a big week
on the social front. It's got to be honest, and
we're still drying out. But we've got this magnificent day
that's got a peppinow step. But no, it's it's such

(57:01):
a good week and we've had good crowds and I
think some of the kind of the narrative around and
that the Cup itself, like I think three or four
years ago they hired. The charge been up to the
cup and horses were dying. The Melbourne Cup wasn't a
good look. But now the club and Racing Victoria brought
in these parameters where it's like, if your horse has
got any hint of an issue, it ain't running. Sorry,

(57:21):
we can't deal with this. It's not happening. So it's
good that it's turbo charged the narrative around horse welfare
and looking after horses and everything like that. So hopefully
that is part of the fabric of racing forever, because
it hadn't always been. But now they've done a great job.
And the Cup at one hundred and one the other day,
which my eight year old daughter found the winner of
somehow because she liked the colors. There you go, that's

(57:44):
racing the morning know the less, you know, Piney.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Did you take the tip from her?

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Of course not.

Speaker 16 (57:52):
I did three days of I did three days of
form and looked at sexual times and this, that and
the other.

Speaker 23 (57:58):
Of course not anyway.

Speaker 24 (58:00):
And yeah, and my wife that's warp speed because as
a kid she was a good better So that's out like,
there's no rhyme or reason for this cave anyway, she.

Speaker 23 (58:13):
Said, to me when I got home on Tuesday night.
She goes, Dad, I think I'm a bit magical because
she tipped one hundred and one winner to one hundred
to one pop last year to finish third. So yeah,
she thinks she's pretty magical when it comes to the tips.
But I'll just restricted to one day, Thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
That'll do no fair.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I was going to say, I was going to say.
What I'll do is I'll bypass you completely now for
my tips. What I'll do is I'll get you just
to check with your daughter what she thinks, and you
passed that information back to me. I don't need your
expertise anymore.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 23 (58:41):
Neither Peaklet Sitting In considers free to all, or you
can subscribe as well. Anyway, we'll see how we go
with it.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
What are the crowds being like? Have been good crowds
turning out across the week?

Speaker 11 (58:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (58:53):
Yeah, they got nearly ninety I think on Cup Day
eighty last Saturday to Darby Day. I think I'm not
what's sure they had on home day. It looked pretty sparse,
but probably still has forty fifty thou and I think
we're hoping about sixty today, So yes, it's huge and
the city is buzzing as well. And this part of

(59:13):
that ILL keep on saying it every time I come
back to Melbourne. This part of who all just copped
it in COVID and it was really everyone's morale was
just on the floor. So now that everything's back to
normal ish, Yeah, it's great to see this city come
alife because it is magnificent sporting city with all the
facilities that they've got and everyone gets into this time.

(59:33):
He especially it's all about AFL the winter months, but
then it's kind of diversifies this time of the year
and we've got the tennis coming around the corner as well.
So no, it's a great time.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Good Man, good Man. Just a couple of quick ones
before you go. Joseph is going to debut for the Wallabies.
The league convert much noise around about this.

Speaker 23 (59:52):
Yeah, huge, Like it's put the Wallabies on the back
page in the rugby league quarters.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
So yeah, it's a huge, huge call.

Speaker 23 (01:00:01):
Though Joseph has come up, we're thirteen. Defensively, I mean,
if he doesn't anything that he did in league, it's
even it's even more strict as you know, Poney in
rugby union around the head, so defensively, I'm just intrigue
how he's going to handle it. But throw him in.
He's a really good kid, he's a really impressive human being,
so I don't think he'll be overawed by it. It's
just the little interest because he's that he's going to

(01:00:23):
have to learn on the run. I mean, first up
in a game of Twickenham against England, your first ever
rugby match on the big stage, not even like a
club rugby game or for a state game.

Speaker 16 (01:00:31):
It's a huge ass.

Speaker 23 (01:00:32):
So no, it's been the big story over here, definitely,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Even bigger than Raygun retiring.

Speaker 23 (01:00:41):
Plagued at half mask. In the dance community poney over here.
Ah yeah, Seriously, I'm a bit biased because my daughters dance,
and I've seen the dance community and what those people
can do in their chosen crafts. And for that person
to be able to get a start at an Olympics
and do that too on the worst stage just beggars belief.

(01:01:05):
But anyway, hopefully she finds a successful outcome for whatever
she chooses in a chosen path in life going on now,
and I don't think she'll be badly missed by the
dance community in Australia for that way, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Think you've got to You've got a future in diplomacy.
Absolutely magnificent from you. I know you've got a busy
afternoon here, so thanks, thanks for bobbing and as always,
maybe will chat again next Saturday.

Speaker 16 (01:01:29):
She's finey have a go on mate, you too much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Cheers Adam. Pick up from the Other side of the
Testament as regular slot here on News Talk's HEBB on
Saturday afternoons eight Away from two.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
News talksb from breaking down the Hail Mary's and the
Epic fail.

Speaker 11 (01:01:46):
Weekend sport with Jason m News Talk ZMB.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Five to two. Let's just rape the rugby with some
thoughts from Scott Robertson after the game. First of all,
on the performance of a supple Ama.

Speaker 25 (01:01:59):
Yeah look his page beginning to year for us and
you know somes t make your pomes and games in
her rowns. They a game like this at the end
of the year. You know you've got to give guys time,
give them opportunity to trust them and the most important
thing they trusted themselves in their skill set the safo
that last line out in now so the twenty two

(01:02:21):
just absolutely no. You know, after missing there not straight
in the first half, he could have probably questioned himself,
but he didn't and d mac was macurial as normal,
you know, he trusted his instinct and the hell of
a night for him, gright off the boot really pleased.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
And on the decision to switch half backs on the
second half.

Speaker 25 (01:02:45):
I think it was full ninth minute that brought Cam on,
you know, like he was great last week and it
was good little combo. You know, he plays with the ball,
he gets Cortez and he's learning quickly. Watched his footballs
around and we have great experience for him and Cam's
come straight up to the international level really quickly and

(01:03:09):
he's really catty.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
After two o'clock we're joined in studio by a couple
of world champion white ferns Maddy Green and is he
Gays and we'll get you inside the Breakers camp as
well ahead of their game against Tasmania tonight. Be guys

(01:03:56):
have made a really good start to the Australian National
Basketball League season well eight games and now six wins.
They are top a hugely impressive one over Melbourne in
Melbourne last time at one hundred and thirteen seventy nine.
They're up against tas Mania tonight, who are the defending champions,
although they haven't started particularly well. We'll talk to Breakers
head coach for Terry Copenan this out and the Fast

(01:04:19):
five Ferns, as you heard from Richard Wayne during the news,
off to a winning start in the Fast five World
Series in christ Church, beating Jamaica thirty nine to nineteen.
We'll get you inside their camp as well before we
close this part of the show at three o'clock. Your
calls and correspondence continue to be welcome. Heaps of great

(01:04:42):
feedback on the All Blacks Island tests this morning, as
is to be expected when you beat a team that
thinks they're better than you by ten points, but it
was a very good performance. Our lines remain open eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty text line also nine two
nine two emails into Jason at newstalksheadb dot co dot enz.
But as we approach nine past two, as we always

(01:05:03):
do and around about this time on weekend in sport,
it's time to bring you up to date with some
of the things that marks have a skepture attention. We
call it in Kashia, mister, and it's well. I wouldn't
say it's a jam pet in cash mister today, but
certainly there's a bit to cover off. A league football
West Sydney Wanderers. The Western Sydney Wanderers comprehensive winners over

(01:05:26):
Newcastle last night. Miladivitch against Scott and he ties it
into the bottom left Cat Connor against stop, got a
hand to it but couldn't keep it out. And Nick
Mlanavich's the Wanderers hat trick hero yet four one to
the Wanderers last night over the Jets. Checking the A

(01:05:48):
league table, this is andy script. I was god a
prey read. Auckland is still on top. Auckland FC is
still on top. They've got to buy this weekend. Phoenix
play tomorrow night against Central Coast. Back to this Jaylan
National Basketball League. The Sydney Kings fended off the Southeast
Melbourne Phoenix in and entertaining clash in Sydney. What a

(01:06:08):
patient performance that has been by the Kings.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Impressive defensive results in Southeast melbournefore.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Both at the game and now look at tailing out
of us.

Speaker 11 (01:06:18):
Of course there was a smile.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Now there's a little shimi as shape seventy four sixty
nine to the Sydney Kings. Let's get you stateside, the
Baltimore Ravens beating the Cincinnati Bengals and a classic NFL shoot.

Speaker 26 (01:06:32):
Out Thurn and goal Jackson running around little Chum pass
shower Beatemen were shot beatmen.

Speaker 7 (01:06:47):
And they're the leader here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Just a one point win thirty five thirty four Ravens
over the Bengals. And to one day International cricket. Pakistan
absolutely demolish, demolishing Australia last night.

Speaker 27 (01:07:03):
Short while Bob Polson why for six to gees or
wonder forgot the fusta.

Speaker 28 (01:07:11):
They described Australia by time wickets for twenty plus hovers to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Spare analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting
world weekends for it with Jason Vye call.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
News Talk ZB eleven minutes past two. Must say I
enjoyed that last night watching Pakistan beat Australia. Speaking of cricket,
the world champion white Ferns are back home now, most
of them anyway. After winning the T twenty World Cup
in the UAE last month, New Zealand have done it.

Speaker 9 (01:07:45):
They had climbed their interest they had hitched their names
and history.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, one of the great sporting performances of the calendar year.
Now the Trophies on tour around New Zealand. Both Maddie
Green and Izzie Gaze played all six matches for New
Zealand at the tournament. They're part of the Trophy tour,
but they've popped into the studio for a bit of
a chat. Is the How has it been touring the
Trophy around New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (01:08:14):
Well, it's actually my first day in Auckland because some
of the other girls been doing the other stunts in
their hometown, so I reached the mighty Auckland. So stoked
to be doing that today. But it's had a good
run so far.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Absolutely, And what about you, Maddie, Have you been on
the tour for a while or is this your first
day as well?

Speaker 28 (01:08:30):
No, sort of my first day too. I think the
really cool thing is we've had different girls sort of
in their own regions with the trophy and getting around
their sort of local communities and where they started their
sort of cricketing journeys. So that's been great.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Good to have it turn around right around the country.
All right, let's talk about the World Cup itself, you too,
of course, we're there at the end in the final
of your runings anyway against South Africa one hundred and
fifty eight for five. You set batting first, Mattie, As
you're walked off, did you feel like you had enough
to defend?

Speaker 28 (01:09:00):
Yeah, I thought that batting first. It was a fantastic
squad put on the board, and obviously the conditions in
Dubai were challenging. Slow wickets, the outfields were slow and
it's sort of boundaries hard to come by. So I
thought that was a really competitive total, but also knowing
the back of our mind that South Africa has some
world class players so that we need to buy a
world to defend it. But we thought it was a
great start and it was just up to our ballist

(01:09:21):
to go and do the job. And they really delivered as.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Well, they really did. I mean, in the end it
was a comfortable one, wasn't it? Thirty two runs? As yet,
what point during the South African innings did you let
yourself believe you were going to win the game.

Speaker 9 (01:09:34):
I think I had belief from the start, but I
think we when the total was pretty unreachable, had that
little Tingley feeling. I was like, oh, we've actually got
it here. And then it hit that last over and
things started to be real and last ball hurt and
had to calm myself with that last ball because I
had to get through it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
But yeah, it was great, Yeah, I Bet, and Maddie
for you, how were the emotions when the wind was
finally secured.

Speaker 11 (01:09:58):
Yeah, it was pretty surreal.

Speaker 7 (01:09:59):
Really.

Speaker 28 (01:10:01):
Look, I think, if we're being really honest, probably going
to this tournament, we didn't necessarily expect it was going
to this way. And you know, been part of the
team for a long time and all you sort of
dream of is and want to achieve playing for New
Zealanders to when world titles and you know, so for
me and some of the older girls been around for
a long time and through some pretty tough times as well,
it's pretty special. And it was cool just looking up

(01:10:22):
in that sort of last over, known that we were
going to win, and seeing the smiles on everyone's faces
and yeah, just the pure joy was pretty pretty fantastic.
So yeah, something I'll never forget.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Bet.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I want to talk a bit more about your role
over the last decade in a moment, But is he
who were the leaders of the celebrations afterwards. Who would
have got to be at the latest.

Speaker 9 (01:10:42):
Probably Susie Bates and Lea to her who they had
some late nights and definitely celebrated how it should be.
And then probably in the changing room as people have
seen Georgia Plumber led through the karaoke and set the
scene with the with the music, which is great.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
All good to know that a couple of the more
experienced players we're keeping the young ones on their toes
during the celebrations. Excellent to hear Medie. Go back to
the start of the tournament for us, important was the
win over India in the first game to really set
you guys up.

Speaker 28 (01:11:12):
Yeah, hugely important. Obviously, we sort of knew going into
the tournament that we're in a really hard pool and
both India and Australia are world class size. And then
obviously as well we had Pakistan and Sri Lanka have
been playing well and toppling some top teams over the
last couple of years. So we sort of talked about
that first game being the most important game in our pool.

(01:11:32):
And I thought the way that Sophie led from the
front with how she batted and she was exceptional and
then her captaincy throughout that innings as well when we
were bowling. You know, she was just on and crucial
win for us, and you know T twenty cricket a
lot of the time it is about momentum and I
thought that just got our tournament off to a great start.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Is he from your position behind the stums, she had
a perfect view of the White Feran's bowling. Of course
during the tournament. What do you think your bowling attack
did particularly well across the entire tournament.

Speaker 9 (01:12:02):
I think we started her own brand, you know, with
the likes of Eden Carson shining thro for that tournament
was really cool and you know, merely had an excellent
tour tournament with the ball and everyone just played their
own role and stuck to their own plans and you
see the likes of the things that we've been working on. Yeah,
really special, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
And you're still quite new to this side. You're one
of the younger members of the side. But are you
still able to offer advice to the bowlers even though
you know most of them are older and more experienced
than you are.

Speaker 9 (01:12:31):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think everyone would love some input
on you know what the wicket's doing and what the
batters are doing. And I've got the view that everyone
probably would like so like to give my input here
and there, and you know, they can take it how
they can use it. But yeah, just see what I
can contribute behind the stumps.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
And six catches for you across the tournament, Mattie, including
a couple in the final. The ball seemed to follow
you around as it usually does. How big a part
of the White Fern's success at the World Cup was
the team's fielding.

Speaker 28 (01:13:00):
Yeah, I thought mifielded particularly well throughout that tournament and
Cravement Mellon has been a huge influence on that since
his coming to the team and the intensity he brings
with sort of fielding training, So I think he's been great.
And you know, when we talked about as a group
that fielding was going to be really crucial at this tournament,
so it's something we focused a lot on. And yeah,
I thought, you know, someone like Georgia Plumber and the
outfield really set the standard. And we've talked a lot

(01:13:22):
about effort and our teams being something that we can control,
So from a fielding point of view, that was a
huge focus and it was really hot over in Dubai obviously,
but yeah, it's just about pushing ourselves and doing what
we can for the team. And I think our fielding
made a big difference, and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
You alluded to it before, but you've been around this
team for a week while over one hundred T twenty
internationals now seventy six one day internationals. How special was
this for you and some of those who have been
in this team with you for over a decade now, Yeah,
hugely special.

Speaker 28 (01:13:51):
As I said earlier, it's just what you dream about,
is being a white fan as winning tournaments for New Zealand.
And you know, we've certainly been through some ups andce
and downs and heartbreak and you know, I think most
recently that fifty over home World cut was pretty devastating
for a few of us that were there. And we've had,
if you've, changes in the team since that point, and
it's been really refreshing to have sort of some of
the younger group come in potentially not with those sort

(01:14:13):
of battle scars and just come in and express themselves
and play so freely. And I think throughout the tournament
we just had so many different people standing up at
different times and that was a really cool thing. And
I think potentially you could say in the past, you know,
we may have relied on Susie and Sophie to get
us over the line and games and tournaments, but I
think the way that all our girls contributed throughout the

(01:14:33):
tournament was excellent. And for us old girls, it's pretty
cool to be able to say we're t twenty World
Cup champions in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Particular, absolutely, and for the younger members of the team,
is you of which you are one? Matty talked about
it there about players coming in and being enabled to
perform straight away. Maybe no battle scars for you. Have
you found the White Ferns environment one that has been
easy to fit into.

Speaker 9 (01:14:55):
Yeah, definitely. I think everyone's really welcoming and we all
want the team to just do well, so we're always
striving for the same goal, which is pretty special. But yeah,
everyone's welcoming and it's pretty much a big family, so
it's pretty lucky to be a part of it. And
you know, I've supported the team growing up, so you know,
you see what they've been through and I guess now
to make my mark, and it's pretty special.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
And you're not even what you're not even twenty one
yet you know you're still very early on in your
cricketing journey. Does this feel a bit surreal in some
ways to be a world champion this early in your career?

Speaker 9 (01:15:27):
Yeah, definitely. First World Cup is a good one to remember,
so yeah, it's pretty surreal and pretty unforgettable.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
So back home now, Maddie. The home summer underway soon,
both domestically and with the White Ferns internationally. Three One
Day internationals against Australia at the Basin before Christmas, then
Sri Lanka are here in March for Odieis and T
twenties and then Australia again for T twenties at the
back end of March. How keen of the side to
play on home soil for the first time as world champions.

Speaker 28 (01:15:57):
Yeah, it's really exciting and personally excited to play back
at the base and means Australia. We're always really well
supported in Wellington. First game of the summer is free entry,
so you're looking forward to getting out there in Wellington
and hopefully get a good crowd. You know, they're really
keen cricket supporters down down in the Capitol, so yeah,
it'll be great, we're looking forward to it. It should
be a great summer.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
So you could play a lot more often at the Basin.
All you'd have to do is just to come back
to the Blaze and play you domesteric cricket there again
I could.

Speaker 28 (01:16:24):
I did love my time at the Blaze, but it's
nice to be home back in Auckland with friends and
family and yeah, still hold the Basin very close to
my heart.

Speaker 12 (01:16:31):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Well, you know you're always welcome down in the Capitol
and for you. Is he looking forward to another summer
of domestic and international cricket.

Speaker 9 (01:16:39):
Yeah, definitely love playing for the Oakland Harts, especially with
Maddie alongside me and then alongside the Basin, which will
be special. Even though it gets pretty windy down there,
can't complain about the crowds that we get in there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Good to have some shots fired right at the end,
as he gays Maddy Green, congratulations on being part of
a really special, special team that achieved something extraordinary T
twenty World champions I hope the rest of the tour
goes well and the summer ahead both domestically and internationally
as well. Thanks for both stopping in for a chat.
Thanks beating no, thank you both as he goes and

(01:17:13):
Maddy Green there. As the T twenty tour continues, I'm
sure you can find out where it's going to be
if it's going to be close to you. I think
it started down south, it's worked its way up. I
presume it'll be up heading. I probably should have asked
heading north now. The White Ferns are back in action.
As I mentioned there, there's a three match one day
International series against Australia, all three games at the Basin

(01:17:36):
Reserve on December nineteenth, twenty one and twenty three, and
news through yesterday that the game on the nineteenth of
December is free entry, so they're opening the gates for
the first game back on home soil for the world
champion White Ferns. These are fifty over matches, of course
they're T twenty World champions, but three fifty over matches

(01:17:58):
at the Basin the White Ferns against Australia, the first
of those on the nineteenth of December, free entry. Then
sril Ancor arrived. There are T twenties and one day
into nationals against Sri Lanka in March and then the
back end of March Australia are back again and they'll
play three T twenty Internationals, this time against the White Ferns.
So a good international summer to look forward to. And

(01:18:18):
amongst all of that, of course, our top players will
be involved in the Super Smash which starts just after Christmas.
Is also the Halle Burton Johnston Shield, which is the
women's fifty over competition that gets underway in the next
week or so. Two twenty two is the time we
can take a break. When we come back, we'll focus

(01:18:39):
our attention across to basketball. It may have escaped your attention,
but the New Zealand Breakers are top of the Australian
National Basketball League table. They've won their last three games,
the most recent of which was an extremely impressive outing
in Melbourne against Melbourne United. They're still over in Australia
where tonight they'll take on the defending champion Tasmania jack Jumpers.

(01:19:03):
So how they're feeling ahead of this, How have they
got them so to the top of the table. What's
been going so well for them? We'll find the answers
to these questions out when I pose them to their coach.
But Terry Copenhan is with us after this on Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason
Hine and GJ. Gunnerholmes New Zealand's most trusted home builder
News Dogs v.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Two twenty six on Weekend Sport. The New Zealand Breakers
are top of the Australian National Basketball League Ladder six
wins from their eight games so far this season. The
latest victory are hugely impressive one one hundred and thirteen
seventy nine over Melbourne United in Melbourne earlier this week.

Speaker 8 (01:19:44):
It dies in again Keith Balcony Henderson who delivers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
But it's back to back statement victories for New Zealand's
who take on the toughest.

Speaker 29 (01:19:55):
Test in the league and for the first time in
ten or tens Bath beat Melbourne United in john Caynata.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Yeah and it was a massive win. Two on Cup eve.
They next take on the breaker is that is the
defending champion Tasmania jack Jumpers. That is a way tonight
the majeorda philly tough start to the season. Actually the
jack Jumpers their bottom with just three wins from their
eleven games so far. Breakers coach Pterry Copenan is with us. PETERI,

(01:20:25):
thanks for taking the time for a chat ahead of
this one. Let's look back to Monday night's performance. What
pleased you the most about the big win over Melbourne United.

Speaker 29 (01:20:34):
Well, I think it's just overall we start to see
how we improve as a team. The guys are getting
to know how to play with each other. And not
only the Melbourne win, but the win also against Sydney Away,
how we played against Adelaide. We have really let's say,
impressive one week of basketball. And now you know, we

(01:20:56):
just keep going focus and you know, we have to
still stay hungry and this is the challenge. Now, you know, Okay,
we got some win wins early on, we're playing playing well,
but you know it's still early early in the season,
and we have to stay hungry, have the same mentality
and go out there and compete every game. And now,
like you said, we play against Tasmania next game. It's

(01:21:18):
going to be a great challenge for us, and so
far they haven't played that well, but they got that
potential and they are, you know, one of the best
defensive team in the league and we have to be ready.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
So those three ones you've just talked about came off
the back of a home defeat by Southeast Melbourne Phoenix
eighty eight sixty two. I remember watching your media conference
afterwards and you were hugely disappointed after that game. Was
that in some way a turning point for your side though?

Speaker 29 (01:21:49):
I think the guys kind of realized, like, we don't
have that luxury to come out flat and play.

Speaker 18 (01:21:56):
How we played against.

Speaker 29 (01:21:57):
The Southeast in christ Church and something really really clicked
when we went to Sydney and everything started with that
one on one responsibility.

Speaker 18 (01:22:09):
The guys really wanted to compete.

Speaker 29 (01:22:12):
Win those fifty to fifty situations defensively and then when
we get some stuffs we we when rebounds we always
have opportunity to run and find solutions, and like you said,
I think it's just something. Of course, the Southeast game
was also we were missing our three three guys. We

(01:22:32):
were still looking how who is the guy maybe who
kind of you know, produce something.

Speaker 18 (01:22:38):
And we after that.

Speaker 29 (01:22:40):
Game Sean Burstel and Carien Lopez really really gave us,
you know, big boosts.

Speaker 18 (01:22:45):
Both of them been playing really really well.

Speaker 29 (01:22:48):
And you know Parker and Mooney, Johonnah Bolden, Sam and
and I can say all of out our eight nine guys,
you know, really really playing well last last games, and
I hope we can continue this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
The one hundred and thirteen you scored against Melbourne United
was a season high for you. But do you take
as much satisfaction from keeping Melbourne, you know, added to
just seventy nine points.

Speaker 29 (01:23:14):
Well, of course, I think in basketball it goes both ways.
You know, if you get some stops, it makes your
job also easier in the offense eve and you can
you know, run after those rebounds or steals, and then
you can find some easy, easy baskets and it boosts
the moral and the confidence of the team.

Speaker 18 (01:23:33):
And if you always have to take the ball out
of them, it's much much harder.

Speaker 29 (01:23:37):
And overall in that game, we were really really good
both ends of the floor and then focused and play
play really well all forty minutes.

Speaker 18 (01:23:47):
And that's the way to go.

Speaker 29 (01:23:49):
But like I said, everything for me started in the
Sydney for I think with the two huge steps there,
we like I said, we want the one on one situations,
and then that gave us the chance to win win
that game and at the same time gave us a
huge fence boost.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
You mentioned a number of your roster but I just
want to ask about Parker Jackson cart right. Can you
talk a bit about his influence on this team.

Speaker 29 (01:24:18):
Well, he's our you know leader for me, best player
probably in the in the league, and his special kind
of player with how he used his speed and that
that was kind of how how I see also our
team how we want to play to to use him
and give him the space, and everybody else have to

(01:24:39):
have to be ready. And I think Parker is also
improving now after these eight games, to pick his parts,
finding his teammates, and we have our our system how
we want to play, and the guys are really picking
picking it up, you know, both defensively offensively getting on
the same page and and and Melbourne everything offensively we

(01:25:01):
were really good. Okay, we still had seventeen turnovers, it's
too much. Almost every other possession when we didn't turn
the ball over, we had high quality shots and the
guys were playing with confidence, very to make place.

Speaker 18 (01:25:15):
But everything starts with Parker, you know.

Speaker 29 (01:25:16):
He set the tone and you get to hit those
spots and either his course or he finds his teammates
and they create and creates those advantages.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
You've mentioned the challenging start of the season for Tasmania.
Are you still expecting a pretty stuff challenge from them?

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
Though?

Speaker 18 (01:25:34):
Of course you know they many they lost many games.

Speaker 29 (01:25:38):
You know they were tight, tight games, and yesterday also
against Berth it was very very tight game.

Speaker 18 (01:25:44):
But what they you know, lost in in the end.
But you know the team they have, you know, been
been together. They are really well coached.

Speaker 29 (01:25:53):
Also, they got you know what, uh, like I said,
one of the best defensive teams in the league, and
that gives them always option to be competitive. They had
some their problems in offensive end, but last year they
were shooting the ball already much better and very dangerous team.
And they play at home, they are always always dangerous

(01:26:13):
and like I said, it's gonna be another another create
forty minute fight if you want to take that win.
And then we can't expect nothing that comes easy to us.
We have to earn everything and go with that right
mentality and ready to work and earn everything.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
I'm having a look at your schedule and after Tasmania,
you've got three more away games before you even get
back to Spark Arena, by which time you wouldn't have
played at home for a month. Then four or five
games at home, so it's almost a little bit unbalanced.
Would you prefer it to be a bit more even
between home and away games.

Speaker 29 (01:26:49):
Well, of course, of course, it's you know, the schedule,
it's what it is. You know, we can't change that
now and it's it is. But of course, overall during
the season we love playing in Spark Arena, but now
we got also home games away from a Spark. I
think the next home game in Spark we played twentieth
of December. It's I think it's it's a.

Speaker 18 (01:27:10):
Long long time we don't play there.

Speaker 29 (01:27:12):
And then this also something as coaches and the staff
to try to think how we can keep our guys
also fresh mentally, you know, all this traveling and that's
also one aspect we try to try to manage.

Speaker 18 (01:27:25):
But you know, at the same time, like I said,
the schedule is what it is, and now we just
have to.

Speaker 29 (01:27:30):
Go game by game, try to do our work daily,
practice well and prepare for those games. And you know,
we showed ourselves also we can win on the road,
and it has to be our focus always the next
game and try to do the things what we practice
every day the best possible in the game and go

(01:27:51):
to compete.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
In the trip to the United States when you played
three NBA sides after you played a couple of games
in the Australian National Basketball League. Was that trip a
good thing or not?

Speaker 29 (01:28:04):
Well, at least everybody was thinking like after when we
come back from that trip, we will be you know, tired,
and definitely the guys didn't feel feel perfect. But at
the same time, I think the trip kind of make
our group. I don't know if the right world is special,
but you know, you can see the guys are really

(01:28:24):
enjoying spending time together on and off the court, and
that's also really important aspect. And you never know when
you put new team together, how the guys, you know,
how is the group gonna come together? And I think
that that is the big biggest I think take away
from that trip. How the guys spend time there three

(01:28:46):
weeks together, was forced to do things together and we
kind of grow grew as a team. And maybe that's also,
you know, the biggest thing what we can take from
that trip. And of course it's great the experience basketball wise,
but I think like a team chemistry wise, I think
that's that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
That's a great way of looking at it well and
focus fully on the Australian season now. But Towdi, thank
you for taking the time for a chat or the
best against Tasmania.

Speaker 18 (01:29:12):
Thank you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
No, I appreciate you taking the cor pa. Terry Copenan
there the head coach, former Finland international basketballer, a good
basketballer two. I was actually having to look at some
of his footage yesterday on YouTube. He was a player
man and he's clearly got something in the coaching side
of things as well. Coaching the Breakers too, currently top
spot on the ANBL ladder. So Tasmania tonight that is

(01:29:36):
seven thirty New Zealand time. Their next Saturday, Ken's away
the following Thursday. In fact, two thursdays after that, Illawarra away,
so that's November. December is so packed. They've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight games in December, including one on Christmas Day. But
they also move around. You heard but Terry say there
that they're not back at Spark Arena until the twentieth

(01:29:58):
that's against the Sydney Kings, but they do have home
games and other places. They take on Melbourne United in
christ Church that's on the fifth of December, the ball
sort of game against the Sydney Kings and Wellington on
the seventh, and they also play at event Finders Stadium
on the twelfth of December. So they're all over the place.
But as long as they stay where they are at

(01:30:20):
the top of the table then it doesn't probably matter
where they play. They're obviously doing something right. So Tasmania,
it's a night annext for the New Zealand Breakers twenty
three to three. The Fast five Ferns are in christ
Church for the Fast five World Series. They're off to
a winning start. We'll talk to coach to the side
of at McCausland jury right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
The scoons from the track fields and the court on
your home of sort weekend sport.

Speaker 11 (01:30:47):
Where's Jason Vine and us talks be coming up?

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Seven and a half away from three. Just mopping up
a couple of pieces of correspondence, Russell sees Jason media
and listeners seem to have overlooked the fact that Damien
McKenzie's goalkicking has won us both games against England and
against Ireland. Not easy kicks either. I think he's a
goalkicker than Bone and Barrett Russell. That's interesting that you
say that. I think the kicks he landed this morning,

(01:31:11):
for the most part, I think body probably would have
as well, having said that that kick from the sideline
last week was clutch, absolutely clutch. And did you see,
I'm sure you did this morning that one of the
kicks he was lining up fell off the tee and
of course the shot clock counts down and the ball
falls off the tee, the shot clock doesn't stop. You
got to pick it up, go back and try and

(01:31:33):
get it over inside the allotted time, which he did.
So yep, goalkicking. Just another excellent feature of Damien McKenzie's
performance today. Just to quick look ahead to tomorrow's show,
Neil Wagner has his autobiography out. It's called All Out.
Looking forward to chatting to Neil Wagner for an extended
interview just after midday tomorrow. Apparently there's somebody else who

(01:31:56):
wants to start an NRL franchise in christ Church. I
think that's three now, three different consortiums who want to
stand up an NRL side in christ Churge will drill
down to this get your views as well, Grunted. But
it's on the show he commentated his three hundred and
fiftieth All Blacks tests this morning. I want to reflect
on his career. We've got some Kiwi Ferns, Rugby League

(01:32:16):
and some Phoenix men and women as well. Lots more
besides that's on the show tomorrow. Thank you for listening
into the show today and for contributing. We had heaps
of great correspondence around the All Blacks win over Ireland.
If anything washes up over the next twenty one hours
or so, we might revisit the Rugby tomorrow, or we
might not. I think we can leave it fluid and

(01:32:36):
he will probably decide. He's in charge of the show.
Thanks as always, mate, for pulling it all together. What's
our exit song today? It's finey you know already what
it is. I k you hi yong, yilty, y yilty.

Speaker 30 (01:32:49):
It brings me great joy to be playing this one
on today, of all days. I love it favorite All
Black today. I thought of myself.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Today if I had the choice to choose the exit
song today, this is exactly what I would have chosen.
Well in the heats, I love it all right. Thanks
for listening to everybody. Tim Beavers out to three. We'll
see tomorrow midday back now, bazes.

Speaker 31 (01:33:25):
Bring carts, take over, causes silens. We must be motig.

Speaker 27 (01:33:43):
It's the same, oh say nineteen sixteen. Any eye, any yard,
there's still finday.

Speaker 31 (01:33:54):
With Thirtay and their bombs, from their bombs and they're gone.

Speaker 27 (01:34:00):
Any eyes a yard, The Diet m tmy Dom, Palm,

(01:34:24):
Doby Talmo Foo Foo Foo.

Speaker 19 (01:34:32):
Foo Foo Foo.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
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