Full Show Podcast: 16 November 2024

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Speaker 2 (00:30):
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you until three o'clock this afternoon. Tim Southey is with
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among our all time greats. Looking forward to chatting with

(01:13):
Tim Southy after one o'clock this afternoon. Letting us off
today though All blacksby France ten past nine tomorrow morning, Paris,
France based rugby journalist Ian Borthwick with us to preview
this one shortly. Your thoughts are of course encouraged on
this test match as well. I really want to know
what you think will happen in this one and is

(01:34):
it in some way a bit of a free hit
for the All Blacks after they won last weekend and
the weekend before that. I think we all said, well
most of us anyway, I know I did. If we
win two out of the three England Island France, then
that's a good result where we've won two, So it
was tomorrow a free hit or not. Other matters around today,

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Chair of World Rugby. First time the Chair of World
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Speaker 3 (03:28):
Full time for the first time.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
The All Blacks Blues the Rugby World Cup poor match
who then lost it to the tune of sixteen points
France twenty nine, All.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Blacks thirteen, and they're giving no doubts.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Who the World Cup favorites are now are compelling singing
half from the French beats the Old Blacks beats them
into submission the Frenchman by sixteen.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, that was the last time the All Blacks played France,
the opening match of last year's Rugby World Cup. They
square off at the same venue tomorrow morning from just
after nine New Zealand time. Full commentary here on news
Talks eNB with the voice he just heard Elliot Smithgregor
Paul alongside Test four or five on the All Blacks
Northern Tour for this year, Let's bring in hugely experienced

(04:16):
France based rugby author and journalist Ian Borthwick. He's covered
eight Rugby World Cups and over five hundred Test matches,
so he know it's the French team pretty well. Ian,
Thanks for joining us. First of all, how different is
this French side to the one that was eliminated at
the quarter final stages at last year's Rugby World Cup.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Well, it's there is a few different Fune changes in personnel,
but the I think the heart of this of the
team is the same and the and I think the
sort of the feeling of business at being eliminated at
the quarterfinal stage, especially the way it went down for France,

(04:58):
is still very much at the heart of this team.
So I think it's I think the sort of continuity,
continuity since they're and is pretty strong. But you could
also say the continuity since the opening game of the
World Cup is also very strong. In that opening opening
game of course, when they beat the All Blacks by

(05:18):
twenty seven to thirteen to set there just at the
French World Cup program on fire. So yeah, I think
that in terms of the way they play, there have
been some slight changes, but the heart of the team
and the soul of the team is still the same
as that one.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Now first choice first five Roman intermac is injured. Of course,
is it true that Matthieu Jellibeer, who played at first
five but the World Cup last year at the start
of the six Nations this year chose not to when
he was told he was going to be in the reserve,
so he said, we'll just don't pick me.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
Is this true?

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah, that's pretty much. That's really so it's deflected a
lot of attention away from the team this week seems
to have been the major talking point in the French
campan indeed the New Zealand camp because it sounds such
a strange thing to happen. But but yeah, I mean Julibert,
he did play in that opening game and played pretty well,

(06:19):
and he's he's a he's a fine talent week in
and week out for his club Bordeaux. But there seems
to be some problem with with Gualtier. There seems to
have been some some personal disagreement and he's been being
sort of relegated to what looks like fourth place in
the in the number ten stakes. So then he just

(06:40):
sort of he threw what what's the expression in English?
He threw the toys out of the wall, the pram
or whatever it is, and says, well, if I'm not
if I'm not even on the reserve bench, that I'm
out of here. So he's gone back to Bordeaux and
and the French will carry on without him, and Galzie said,

(07:01):
well he can. He's still welcome to play in the
in the French team, but we need we need strong players,
and we didn't need determined players. So he seemed to
be suggesting that that Jellibert was lacking both those qualities
and there will carry on without them without them.

Speaker 7 (07:19):
All right.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, one man who was there and plays a massive
role of course on this French side at Antoine DuPont
hell kept in the side from half back. How big
an influence is he on this French side.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
Well, he's he's a huge influence and I think it
was a huge He would be a huge influence in
any team. You can see that in in Toulouse when
he's playing with his club. You saw it in the
in the sevens, during during the Olympic Games when France,
when he was one of the team's team that won
the world the gold medal, and just his presence on

(07:53):
on on the field is a major boost really for
the whole hole of the image of a French rugby,
that this is a French rugby have at last found
their star, their poster boy, or the or the sort
of un disputed star that they can build an image
of French rugby around something that they've been lacked over
the last decades. But it's nothing, it's nothing fake about it.

(08:17):
He's he's a genuine he's a genuine talent and he's
going to be a genuine threat for New Zealand. And
I'm sure they're aware of that, a genuine threat for
New Zealand on Saturday, United stud de France. But at
the same time, my experience, it hasn't gone to his head.
He remains very, very down to earth, very sort of
humble in the way that New Zealand is like their

(08:40):
stars to be, and also very respectful today in one
of some of his press conferences, some very respectful about
the image of New Zealand rugby and the way the
generations and generations of New Zealand players have been an
inspiration to French players and to him.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Also, Yeah, pretty impressive, God, that's for sure. How do
you assess the strength of the French forward pack Ian.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Well, it's mhm, it'll be interesting to see how it goes.
That they've they've been very they've been very strong and
they've bought they've built a very strong platform for France
over the past few years. It's something that that to
Gante has worked very very hard on their their scrum,
their line out and their ability to carry carry the ball.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
There.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
The hooker, obviously, he's I think one of the All
Black coaches referred to him as one of the one
of the best players in world rugby at the moment.
He's on fire at the moment. And the and the
back row with oldret Rumat and Budhel should have should
have what it takes to counter that very interesting All
Black back row that's been formed for this game. The

(09:49):
point that I'm sort of interested in is the well,
it's kind of France's Polynesian contingent, especially in the in
the front five with Tavita the tongue and boy Tavita
tatafu at at tight head and the Otahu who born

(10:09):
Australian Samo and Emmanuel Mouth in the second row. Those
both those together they'll be shoring up the right side
of the French scrum and between them they weigh over
three hundred kilograms and I think that's going to be
a major threat for the All Blacks to try and
contain that physical mass and the physical strength that those

(10:29):
two players bring to the game. But at the same time,
looking at the way they played against against Japan on
the weekend, I thought that as soon as the game
started to speed up, as soon as the and as
soon as if the All Blacks managed to get some
pace into their game, if they can target these two
and get them running around a bit, I think that

(10:50):
that massive weight that they both carry could count against them.
And I think maybe the All Black pack will show
itself to be a bit more athletic in general than
the French packer is.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
You mentioned the fifty two to twelve went over Japan
last weekend. What can we take from that game?

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Ian, We can't take a lot of it. I don't
think it was a very satisfactory preparation for France going
into a game against a teammate the All Blacks. So
they've only had the one game, whereas the All Blacks
have had all those you know, well, okay, but if
we just talk about this tour, they've just had four

(11:31):
games so far, but to certainly have gone from strength
to strength in those games against very strong teams England
at home obviously in Ireland at home, which is something
that the French haven't been able to do so. I
don't think there's a lot that can be read into
that particular victory. The only thing I think we can
read into it is that fact they scored over fifty points,

(11:53):
but they only had fifty one percent of the possession.
And that's part of Gualtier's plan, not to be obsessed
with actually having the ball, possessing the ball. There's no
point in and expending energy trying to attack in your
own half if it's just going to be recycling phases

(12:13):
and expending energy when you're not anywhere near the try line,
the opposite try line, So Galtier is what we can
learn if if that's going back to your question, is
that they will try and use the same sort of
play or style of play that I've been using for
some time. That is what what Galtier caused. Dispossession, in

(12:36):
other words, not trying to take advantage of every single
ball that comes your way, but choosing choosing the ones
to attack, so getting out of your own half, getting
into the All Blacks half, and then mounting their strike
moves with the very real quality they've got in their
They're attacking players on on on one wing, Vidier on

(12:59):
the other this new fullback Roman Buros from from Bordeaux
who's been spectacular also on the on the counter attack,
and of course also with Antoine DuPont, they're the same
all that all the time being able to sort of
master his troops or muster as troops, and and also
himself apply the killer blow when it's needed for France

(13:23):
to try and break through and score.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
And the All Blacks in particular their performances against England
and Ireland in the last two weekends. What if you
made of the All Blacks in recent.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Times, Well, I've made some of my My own observation
is that they were probably very lucky to win against England.
But then you do always need a bit of luck
when you're when you're trying to rebuild, and and I
think that's for once that luck was on their side
or on Scott Robertson's side, they could eat just as easy.

(13:55):
You have lost that game, but they they did hang
in there, and I thought that they they started to
show premises of a new a new style and a
new especially a new hardness in the front five where
they really put England under pressure both at scrum time
and on the ruck ball and I think that going
on from that, they they've gone a step further against Ireland,

(14:17):
where really the front five was one of the I
would think major satisfactions for the All Blacks in that
game where they put Ireland under incredible pressure. The sort
of pressure that Ireland had doesn't I don't think it's
had for a very long time. And so that which
which built the platform for the All Blacks to be
able to build build their victory. It wasn't a great

(14:39):
it wasn't a very spectacular game, and maybe that's what
will happen again against France tomorrow night. But that that
what they're doing is putting putting the building blocks in
place and making sure they're not getting confused and trying
to score flash tries from everywhere, but at the same
time very building on there on their strengths and using

(15:01):
their strengths to to to suffocate. They scared suffocated Ireland,
and I expect they were try and do the same
against France.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
All right, Well, I've been trying to work out who
the favorites are for this game. I'm not actually sure
that I can come up with an answer. Who do
you think our favorites? Who do you reckon On win.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Well, it's I think it's going to be very very
very close. But I think I think New Zealand have
have got have got the edge. I think They've got
the edge because of the preparation I've had over the
past few weeks. They've got the edge because France have
got some really untried players. I still still think that
the prop from Bayon Tivitatu at tight head, I think

(15:40):
he's still maybe not quite, not quite ready for international rugby.
And it's also quite a risk bringing in a brand
new fallback with who hasn't had any caps at all
to play against New Zealand in his first game. And
I think New Zealand also there's no no lack of
motivation for the All Blacks going into this game. If
you just look at the last three times they've played.

(16:03):
They've played at Stud de France. First of all was
a using the final of the World Cup. Before that
was losing twenty seven to thirteen to France, which is
the second biggest defeat in the history against France, and
before that, in twenty twenty one, their biggest ever defeat
against France forty to twenty five, a day which was

(16:23):
kind of a turning point I think in the history
of French rugby and this French team, a turning point
in terms of public support, in terms of an incredibly
massive masseis the national anthem being sung in a way
that I had never ever seen in over thirty years
of or forty years covering France, and that sort of

(16:44):
spirit is still there in the French public was born
on that day, I believe. But I think that so
those motivational points having lost their last three times at
Start de France, but also I think, and just chatting
to the team this week, one of the big factors
is going to be the memory of the nineteen twenty

(17:06):
for an vincible side. It's one hundred years since that
nineteen twenty four team came, they played thirty two games
and they won thirty two games, and this particular team
one hundred years later, they want to try and emulate
the feat of those ancestors of nineteen twenty four. So
there's no lack of motivation for the all backs to
really produce a very high level performance against France here

(17:29):
on Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Fascinating Test and prospect really appreciate your analysis and insight.
Ian Thanks indeed, for joining us.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Okay, then thanks for calling.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
No, thank you for answering Ian Indeed, Ian Borthwick, there
are long time France based rugby journalist. He's watched a
heck of a lot of French rugby and All Blacks rugby,
as I'm sure you have over the last little while.
Keen for your view on this test match, your hopes,
your expectations, what you think will happen. Really just had
a quick check on the tab odds. I know they're
only indicative, but they do show the I guess the

(18:02):
mood of the betting public anyway. France a dollar eighty
two New Zealander dollar ninety two, so that's pretty much
a coin flip, isn't it. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is our number. It feels to me, as
I said at the top of the show, as though
most people, and I will certainly include myself in this
thought that if we could win two of the three
test matches against England Island France, that would be a

(18:24):
good outcome. Before we got up to the North, I
think that was the kind of the sentiment I was hearing.
If we win two of those three, we've done Okay, well,
we've done that. Now we've got our two wins. We
beat England, we beat Ireland. So in some ways does
that make tomorrow morning a bit of a free hit?

(18:47):
Even if we were to lose tomorrow morning, we're still
achieved the two out of three or actually has your
view changed as Alan mine has after those two wins
the last two weekends Now, actually I think it'd be
disappointing if we lost tomorrow. It presents now the opportunity

(19:07):
for an unbeaten Northern Tour and a first year record
for Scott Robertson and Co. Of eleven and three eleven wins,
three losses. And if you divide the season in half,
the first seven tests four wins, three losses, we're now
in a situation where the second half of the season

(19:28):
could be seven and zero seven wins and no losses. Australia, Australia, Japan, England, Island, France, Italy.
I think it's that. I think I think now i'd
be disappointed if we lost tomorrow. I think I should
treat this like a World Cup. I'm sure they are.
You've won the quarter, you've won the semi, now win

(19:50):
the final. Keen you hair youive views on this. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two
is the text line, and on the team selection as well.
I know it's a couple of days old now the
unveiling of the team, but I begin on your thoughts
on a couple of things. Bowden Barrett back in at ten,
Cody Taylor beck in at hooker, even after the exceptional

(20:11):
performances of a Sappho one more and Damien Mackenzie against
Ireland and Ardie save for the first time in three years,
is going to wear seven on his back? Does that
actually matter? Does it matter what number these loose forwards
wear on their back? Because Wallace the Titi is finally
going to wear the number eight, although we did against
Japan as well having worn the number six jersey. Does
it actually matter what number these guys are wearing in

(20:35):
the loose forwards. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
nine two ninety two was always as the text line
twelve twenty seven back with some of your calls right
after this.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
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Speaker 2 (20:53):
MB twelve thirty News Talks. They be talking All Blacks v. France,
our expectations, you know, whether they've changed with the wins
over the last two weeks, any other aspect on the
game you want to pick up on? Just after nine
tomorrow morning full commentary here on new Talks, he'd be hello, Grant.

Speaker 8 (21:08):
Yeah, hello, Finally, Well, there could have been anywhere between
three losses to three wins or somewhere in between. But
I think that now that we've improved with each game,
it will be disappointing if we lose against France, but
not not as disappointing as a three in loss. And
I think the All Blacks need to execute the coup

(21:31):
d'i gras and play with guard de vive.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Was everything you were saying just leading up to you
with a couple of French phrases.

Speaker 8 (21:40):
There, great, Well you got to expect something a bit
different from me.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Absolutely, did you. I was just trying to remember back.
I don't know whether I ever thought we'd lose all three.
I guess all three were lose a ball, but I
don't ever think I thought, do you think that we
might lose all three?

Speaker 7 (21:59):
Well?

Speaker 8 (21:59):
Yeah, I mean a possibility had you know, three three losses,
three wins or any we are in between. But the
key is the improvement, I think. And I mean, yeah,
like I said, the well one comment only in France.

(22:21):
I mean, I don't think I've heard it anywhere else where.
A player says, well, if you put me on the bench,
I'm going to leave the squad, And basically I think
the coach in French says, well, if that's your attitude,
bugger off.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
I think that's actoutely, absolutely right that it doesn't. I
can't imagine an All Blacks player, maybe privately grant, they
would say to themselves, oh, well, I'm a little bit
annoyed that I'm not starting. They might even say it
in the media. You know, I'd love to start, but
I understand the coach is the selector, etc. But I
can't ever think of an All Blacks players you know what,

(22:54):
I'm not going to play at all. If I'm going
to be on the bench, I'm not playing. It's just
not part of our makeup, is it.

Speaker 8 (23:01):
Yeah, And I have to say, isn't it fantastic to
be able to watch games at nine o'clock in the
morning instead of bleary eyes in the middle of the night.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I do like the I do like the nine o'clock kickoffs.
Grant mercy boco to you if I can return serve
with your French. Thanks for calling in, mate. Yeah, nine
o'clock tomorrow morning.

Speaker 9 (23:22):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
What the England test was early, wasn't it four o'clock?
But yeah, the last two Ireland and France, and I
think Italy as well and Turin next Sunday is also
a nine o'clock kickoff, So very civilized in terms of
the time you have to get up and watch these games. Hello, Phil,
how are.

Speaker 10 (23:36):
You get a piney?

Speaker 11 (23:39):
Not too bad yourself?

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I'm good, thank you, mate, very good.

Speaker 11 (23:43):
Excellent, Yes, yes, much better time, much better time to
get up and watch the game.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I think so, I think so.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (23:51):
Yeah. Interesting listening to the interview with n Bars work. Yeah,
always great to listen to the people you bring on,
you know, to talk to and do these interviews with.
I don't think it'll be I don't think it'll be
like we ga arded as a free pass, like you
were saying, because I possibly we looked upon in that
way because of one of the like he said, you know,

(24:15):
we I thought we were lucky to win that English
game and that could have we could have easily lost that.
So I think that's one of the reasons why they
won't look at it as a free past because it
was kind of like when Scott Robinson, I think when
you've seen the shot of him at the end of
it and he's got it were like a few with
his bro you know, white his brow, Like we got
out of that one so well, we wanted to win

(24:39):
this one and with all the history as well of
the World Cup knocked out and like the only balls
and that sort of thing, and the French now we're
all fired up, like you said about the new a
new sense of vigor and friude and that by winning
that winning that game where he said it sort of

(24:59):
all started, you know when he was watching it and
he said it was born on that day sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, that was the one that was on Yeah, that
was the one I escaped my attention, Phil, How how
infrequently we played France that we had a three Test
series against them here in twenty eighteen, so it's that
six years ago. In the time since in the six
years since, we've played France twice just twice.

Speaker 11 (25:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like you say, we sort of start
to think about it because you think of England and
Ireland and the Island in that and then kind of slips,
I guess in the background with France, except for when
when we bring up the World Cup final and things
like that or not the final, but you know, like
not gonna have had in the quarters, whether it or
to forget to the.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Final, and yeah, quarters and seven, Yeah, that's the that's
the one semis in ninety nine. We did beat them
in the final of the course in twenty eleven and
the quarters in twenty fifteen, so we've kind of got
our own back there. But yeah, it just sort of
was an interesting little layer. I'm not suggesting for either
that the All Blacks are taking this as a free hit.
I don't think there's any suggestion inside that camp at

(26:04):
all that it won't matter because they've won against England
and Island, that it doesn't matter what happens against France.
I just I was, I guess taking that from our
point of view, and that a lot of us and
I think you might have even said this to me,
would have been reasonably satisfied with two out of three.
Now we've got the two, you know, and if we
get past tomorrow and it is two out of three,
then you know, are we still going to be satisfied?

Speaker 11 (26:27):
I yeah, I think we will because yeah, and I'm
pretty sure I did say to Year that would it
would have been happy with out of two out of three.
I think I might have even said, like, might have
even been happy with one out of three, because, like
Grant a previous call, that could have gone three three losses,

(26:48):
you know, quite easily, I think, you know, but I
think I see when it was one out I'd be
happy with one out of three. Was as long as
we showed improvement, you know, throughout the game, even if
we lost, like we we played England and lucky to
get away with it, but we did. But then we showed,
like like Ian said, you know, we showed the improvement

(27:10):
against the Irish and we beat them quite nicely in
the end because we put them under pressure and raddled
them a bit. And I think they're not playing. Not
playing the games either didn't help them, you know, with
the mistakes and net that they would have probably not
normally made. But so yeah, as long as we have
made the improvements, I would have been happy with the

(27:31):
two out of three, but it's going to be a
cracking game no matter what happens either way, I think.

Speaker 12 (27:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Look, I agree, Phelt, I agree. I'm looking forward to
the game as a spectacle. Always a job when we
play France, and as I say, it hasn't en very often.
I didn't enjoy the last one very much. Started the
last Rugby World Cup and even listening to Elliot's commentary,
I think after that game we all thought that France
were favorites for the whole thing on home soil, as
it was knocked out in the in the quarterfinals. Good yea,

(28:00):
Philp thanks for calling in mate, Hello Jason, Yeah.

Speaker 12 (28:03):
Just on there. Who did put France out in the
last World Cup. It wasn't South No, yeah, I thought
South afric could put out England. That was in the
semi year of course. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've
got a bit of payback with France because they're the
only ones that's brought their World Cup group non losing

(28:24):
record was to France and that was the only time
we've lost a pall match in a World Cup ever,
was to them last last year. So correct payback because
that an always the heck out of me. Well, if
you look at this in perspective, it would be an
opportunity lost because this could easily be a Grand Slam
because it's only Whales and Scotland missing from the constitute
a Grand Slam.

Speaker 13 (28:43):
Correct, Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
I think the traditionals kind of understanding of a Grand
Slam was when it was just the five Nations if
you beat. Yeah, but I think going unbeaten on a
northern tour is still something. I mean, we can get
for count Japan and at least not count Japan, England,
Island Front Italy. If we've beat all four of those,
I think you can probably look back at it and
say that that's pretty successful.

Speaker 12 (29:04):
Well, if you're lit of it, I mean it's very
very strange. Health sea changes happen, like you know, for
us to consider one out of three a successful outcome
of a northern twoer, my god, to lose one out
of three and years gone by would be slit yourist
material piney. But look, no, look, I think definitely if
we get past France depends on mister Anton de Pint
what he says about this or plays tomorrow. But if

(29:26):
we can nullify him because he's my only real concern
as him, the whole team will just you know, revolve
around what he does with his majestic touches. If we
can get nullify him, win that one. I'm not no
disrespect to Italy, but you'd expect would win that in
our sleep.

Speaker 14 (29:43):
It's it's it's.

Speaker 12 (29:45):
A season perspective, pony.

Speaker 15 (29:48):
I rate it in eight out of ten.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Good stuff chas well. Actually, you've pre empted me by
a week because next week we will rate the season.
So maybe you can go back then and you know,
with the benefit of the scores against France and Italy,
you can you could revise it or keep it the same.
But at four at four and three midway through the year,
four one's three losses as they came back from South
Africa to go from four and three to eleven and three,

(30:12):
which they can do if they win the next two weekends,
I think they'd be delighted. I mean seven and zero
if the back in the second half of the season,
you can't do much better than that. Thanks Jose Ellison, Hello, well, bon.

Speaker 16 (30:24):
Ju, I say two out of three's not bad. They say,
isn't it that sixty six percent I just want to say,
what a pity about Sam Caine that he won't be
playing again this year?

Speaker 11 (30:32):
Will he?

Speaker 2 (30:33):
No, it doesn't feel like it, Ellison. No, I don't
know that. He's been absolutely ruled out for next week
and I would love to see him go around one
more time. But no, you're right, if it is to
be it for him, that's that's I mean, the fact
that he didn't get the opportunity to go out on
his own terms injury ruling him out. He may well
be available for next week, but I guess we'll waiting.

Speaker 16 (30:50):
So the nasty not well, there was a quite a
nasty knock he got, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Absolutely Yeah.

Speaker 16 (30:54):
I just wanted to quickly say how well New Zealand
does overall our sports. How everything we do we're doing
so well and everything really aren't we know, whether it's
cycling or goal for tennis, particularly in the tennis with
in the doubles, we're just doing so well. I just
think it's marvelous.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's a golden period, Allison. For sure.

Speaker 8 (31:12):
It's been Chris Wood swim and sharp.

Speaker 16 (31:16):
How there came the team to see those children playing
and signing autographs. I thought that was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, he's a good man, Chris Wood. I actually saw
some footage from last night's game, Allison, where Chris Wood
was substituted during the game against vanowah Tu, and he
went straight over and started signing autographs I think while
the game was still going on. He's so famous now
and so good Premier League striker probably can't walk down
the road in Nottingham without being mobbed by people, and

(31:46):
yet he comes off in a game back here and
immediately goes over and starts signing autographs for the kids.
I think he's just a terrific human being and as
you say, just another example of how good we are
at sport at the moment. Speaking of what's going to
talk to Finn Butcher tomorrow on the show. Looking forward
to catching up with the Butcher. Another success story of

(32:06):
twenty twenty four with his gold medal in Paris. I
wonder how he's feeling about one hundred days on from that.
Probably still on top of the world. I'd imagine I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty eighteen and a half to one,
got a bit of time to continue talking. All blacks.
We'llknock it on the head after one, because Tim South
he's going to join us. But if you've got some
thoughts whether two out of three ain't bad as Ellison said,
and as meat Loaf famously said, two out of three

(32:27):
ain't bad? Will that be okay if we were to
lose to France. If we're chatting at this time tomorrow
and we've lost to France, would you be okay with it?
Or actually has your appetite been wetted?

Speaker 14 (32:39):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Or wet by the last two weekends and now you
want us to clean sweep the Northern tour I eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty nineteen nine to two one text
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Speaker 1 (32:50):
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Speaker 2 (33:03):
He'd be spear line there if you want to talk
from rugby before one. Just a reminder we'll be on
the Yeir tomorrow after the conclusion of the rugby. We
did this last weekend as well. It was the Saturday
last weekend tomorrow and also next Sunday. We'll just piggyback
on the back of the rugby. I think it'll finish
about eleven, maybe ten past quarter past eleven. As soon
as the game's over and Elliott Smith and Gregor Paul

(33:23):
have wrapped it all up from Star de France, they're
well jump in and start chatting about it. So you
might want to join us at the slightly earlier time
tomorrow of eleven fifteen or thereabouts. Arnie Savey is going
to play in the seven jersey? Is that like sort
of slipping back into an old pair of shoes for Artie?

Speaker 17 (33:40):
Wouldn't say, just slipping on old YLK shoes, These little
different roles and little things that you know, you kind
of have to get used to. But yeah, I'm just
happy as like, I'm just grateful to put on the
black jersey, whether that's six, seven, eight, eleven, thirty.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
Weever.

Speaker 17 (34:02):
But noah, Yeah, last time I played.

Speaker 6 (34:05):
Was a two.

Speaker 17 (34:06):
I think seven. No, still be the same, hopefully.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, I think you'll still be the same. ARTI doesn't
matter what number you've got on mate.

Speaker 15 (34:13):
Hello, Henry, Hey Jason, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, very well, Henry.

Speaker 10 (34:16):
Things that's good. Hey, you know, I think even if
we lose tomorrow, it'll be a good you know two,
because we're you know, we're picking up, we're doing better
each each game, and really, you know, hew, good Earth
France was, you know, the way they're playing, even many
games in the community all works, So it'll be you know,
I think we'll do our order. But even if we

(34:37):
did lose, were quite happy.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, I think, I guess. I guess I'll look at
it and it's just numbers, Henry, But you say, okay,
eleven and three if we win, Let's assume we beat
Itterly next week. I mean we shouldn't really, I mean,
put the car before the horse, but let's assume we
win that game. So if we win tomorrow against France,
it's an eleven three season. If we were to lose tomorrow,
it's a ten four season. I mean, it doesn't seem
like a lot, does it, But it would be just

(35:01):
a slightly more niggly summer if it was ten to four,
it probably would.

Speaker 10 (35:06):
But the odd thing you know that Ossie got, he's the
he's throw into the easy headed rugby board, now, isn't
he that?

Speaker 13 (35:13):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, Brett Robinson is his name. Yeah, he's the head
of war cheirf of World Rugby.

Speaker 6 (35:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (35:18):
Yeah, so you think, like, you know, we're always going
on these northern tours and stuff. Do you think he'll watched, like,
you know, have France, like he was saying, they even
played us very often, you know, make it more tours
so they come down under.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Well, yeah, I think that's a that's yeah, it's a
good question. I don't know whether World Rugby can have
any any real say over that. It was for a while, Henry,
we didn't play England for ages, and you know, I
think it just it sort of goes in cycles really
for no other reason than it. You know, we can
only really have one team come down here mid year.

(35:53):
This year it was England, you know, twenty twenty two.
Member Island came down twenty three there was a World Cup,
so it wasn't quite as I don't think they'd had
a tour down here. I just think it's circumstanced more
than anything. But yeah, look, the main thing I think
I'd like to see is when France do come here
next year. They're already talking about sending a B team
or a C team. What I would like to see.

(36:14):
Is you know some sort of guidelines or rules around
around picking you know, a decent team to come down here.

Speaker 10 (36:22):
Yeah, no, that'd be great.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, all right, Henry, Hey, good to chat to you, mate.
We'll see if tomorrow, if it's if it's you know,
three from three in these big games, or or two
and one. Good to chat to you mate. Hey, Ben,
how are you?

Speaker 6 (36:34):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (36:34):
Very good? Thanks funny for the test tomorrow. If we
were to lose by three points and we played really well,
I'd be satisfied with that because it would show progression
within the team, and you know, when it comes to
these international tests, you know, and how the Northern Hemisphere
has actually advanced over the last few years, i'd be
I'd be okay with that.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah. It's an interesting point you land on which others
are made too, and that's around the improvement of the side.
So rather than just look at the scoreboard and say, okay,
we'll win, win, win, last whatever, are we improving? So
if we're competitive tomorrow, as you say, if we lose
by you know, a handful of points, you'd be okay
if you continue to see the improvement.

Speaker 15 (37:16):
Yes, even if it was like you know, even a try,
you know, like even if it was seven points in
the France scored a try to win the game. But
you know, both teams just went at it and it
was so intense, like the English game, that Ireland game.
I was just like, oh my god, you know, this
is just amazing. So if it's that kind of test
and France win, hats off to them. As long as

(37:37):
we don't play badly to show that we're tracking forward.
It's just one game. And you know, also I wanted
to say for the Italy test, what I would love
would be for Sam Kane to be available in Captain
the All Blacks for Italy as his last hurrah, just
as a thank you to him.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I like that idea, Ben, I like that idea. I'm
not sure whether or or how much sentiment comes into
these things. I think that would be, you know, a
good idea. I think if it was, for example, if
it was you know, and I don't want to disrespect Italy,
but you know, compared to England, Island and France, they
are clearly the the the less troublesome historically and currently

(38:22):
for our All Blacks. So I think if it was
a test where you really had to put your best
team out. I think Scott Barrett would probably be in
that team and captain it. But next week, and having
missed this France game, yeah, I wouldn't mind Sam camee.
We're in the arm band next week. He's not one
of the vice captains in the site, you know, Ardie

(38:43):
Savira and Jeordie Barrett of the vice captains. But if
it was ceremonial, and if it was a you know,
perhaps an indication or a reward for Sam Kaine's longevity
in the side, I wouldn't mind it. I wouldn't mind it.
I think they'll roll out a very different team next week.
You'd have to think they will, won't they. A lot
of guys have been waiting for an opportunity on this
Northern tour, a lot of guys have been involved for

(39:06):
the you know, for three tough tests. I think they'll
make quite a few changes next week. Thanks Ben, good
to chat to you eight and a half to one
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Speaker 1 (39:15):
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Speaker 2 (39:23):
Talks, HEV, News Talks B five to one. Just a
couple of texts to mop up before we get to
the news. Matt says, yes, we'll be satisfied with two
out of three, but there'll be a small rock under
the beach towel over the summer. I think you're probably right, Matt.
Top tier rugby test a pretty much fifty fifty says
this one. We went half purely on the law of averages.
We need to control the game better, score more tries.

(39:44):
Relying on penalties as a dangerous game. Thank you. Let's
not get too far ahead of ourselves, says this one.
We've done well so far, but don't you agree there
are no gimmes in any of these countries and we've
been beaten by all of them. A bad day the
office by us and you never know. Oh, look absolutely,
I think most of us would accept that this is
a coin flip us against France. I was looking back

(40:05):
at the results and they said, as I said earlier,
we haven't played them very often at all in the
last little while. We played them in group play at
the World Cup last year lost twenty seven to thirteen,
played them on our Northern tour in twenty twenty one
lost to them forty twenty five. Previous to that, of course,
COVID was in there as well, so many to you

(40:25):
know make that point, but they were here for a
three match series in twenty eighteen, three wins to the
All Blacks. In fact, you have to go all the
way back to two thousand and nine to find the
previous defeat by France a twenty seven twenty two when
in Dunedin. So from two thousand and nine right through

(40:48):
until twenty twenty one, we didn't lose to them at all,
and now we've lost the last two. Look, I'm not
suggesting that there's anything sinister going on here or any
sort of trend building, but if we were to lose tomorrow,
I can't believe. I can't remember us losing three tests
and road to France, can you, biney? We lost to
France in two and seven wearing the alternative strip? Is

(41:10):
this an omen andy? I don't think it's an omen
because we're not wearing that gray monstrosity tomorrow. Thank goodness,
it's the white strip.

Speaker 13 (41:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
May that gray strip never darken our door again. Thanks
for your text any, thanks for all your calls and texts.
Tim Souey After one o'clock.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
The only place to discuss the biggest scours issues on
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Speaker 2 (41:42):
One O seven. Welcome in or welcome back is the case, MA,
be good to have you with us. I'm Jason Pine
and McDonald's show producer were Hair till three talking sport.
Tim Southey standing by the chat to us. Really can
to hear your views on Tim Southey. He's been a
bit polarizing in recent times. I'll absolutely admit that I'm
sure he would too when he was the Test captain

(42:03):
and things perhaps weren't going quiet as well for him
as they were earlier in his career. But you cannot
deny across his seventeen year tenure as a Black Cap,
his numbers are absolutely outstanding, second only to Sir Richard
Hadley in terms of Test wickets for starters. A raft
of other stats that I can reel off for you.

(42:26):
One of our absolute greats, Tim Southy standing by for
chat Adam Peacock this hour as well. I want to
hear your thoughts on Tim Southy too, where he stands
for you, maybe some of your favorite moments, how he'll
be remembered how he stacks up against the other great
bowlers from these shores. Just back to our conversation topic
before one around the All Blacks in France, Jack says Piney,

(42:50):
who are these people who say they would be happy
with a small loss to France?

Speaker 9 (42:54):
No way?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Another one along the same lines. Since when has it
been okay for the All Blacks to lose? Another one?

Speaker 13 (43:03):
Here?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Gay mate? It sounds like most expect the All Blacks
to lose narrowly to France. Thanks Bob, Yeah, I guess
the point I was driving at was, and it's always
a very difficult conversation to have it. At the start
of this tour, most people said, Okay, if we lose
one of these tests, that's okay. England Island, France, lose
one of those, that's okay. And now that we've lost

(43:28):
none of the first two, what a lost b oka
tomorrow because that would fulfill that desire. I guess that
would fulfill that opinion before the tour, that one lost
out of three. B okay? Anyway, we can we can
revisit this tomorrow once the result is known, can't we
we can chat about it then. One of our great

(43:50):
pace bowlers, Tim Southy going to retire from Test cricket
after the upcoming three match series at home against England.

Speaker 18 (43:56):
And goes SOUTHI then a good start for England is
there and he bowls is bowl then that is bowled,
hairy drive.

Speaker 17 (44:03):
His pitching your coat, a.

Speaker 18 (44:05):
Moon's out, whoa woa whoa clean bowl to yorka.

Speaker 9 (44:10):
Souvie and again cold.

Speaker 19 (44:11):
To the bowling of Saudi in the teacher I've got
behind here he is to wotch in bowl five for Sauvee.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Brilliant performance with the ball.

Speaker 19 (44:22):
Saudi bars to him and this one has him hitting
towardsman off and as Cole.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
Good by Vitri.

Speaker 19 (44:30):
That's six for Soue.

Speaker 18 (44:32):
Saudi again bowls has ed's une taken it slipt. There's
the seventh I won a performance by Tim Saudi. This
has been he's taken seven for thirty one the best
figures buy a New Zealand to a one day International
cricket and he's absolutely swept in and decide.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, that was the world come in twenty fifteen. But
we're talking Test cricket here. The third Test in the
upcoming series against England starts on December the fourteenth that is,
three days after Tim Saudi turns thirty six. He'll remain
available though, if the black Caps happen to make the
World Test Championship Final at Lord in June of next year.

(45:08):
A one hundred and four Test matches spread over seventeen summers,
he's taken three hundred and eighty five wickets, second only
to Sir Richard Hadley Tim Southey's average twenty nine point
eighty eight for those three hundred and eighty five wickets.
He also, oddly enough, has exactly the same number of
white ball wickets three hundred and eighty five of those
as well, so seven hundred and seventy all up the

(45:32):
most by any New Zealander in international cricket. The next
best is Daniel Vittori's six hundred and ninety six international wickets.
There are many other stats and milestones across a glittering
international career. Tim SOUTHI is with us, Tim, how did
you come to this decision that you announced yesterday?

Speaker 20 (45:54):
Yeah, I guess you look at I guess you look
at Wat's in front of you. And over the last
twelve months we've had a number of exciting events. We've
had the Tea one day, we'll cut the teacher and
he will cup and then this chunk of this chunk
of test cricket, which is I guess three three pinnacle
sort of events throughout throughout the last twelve months, and
you sort of.

Speaker 13 (46:14):
You're near the end of of of these.

Speaker 20 (46:15):
Test matches and you sort of, I guess, reassess things,
reassess where you're at, and it just feels like the
times right now to to finish and what a series
to I guess, finish on against a great side in
England at three three of my favorite grounds in the world.
So yeah, I just felt right to to finish up
at home in Hamilton.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
As you were mulling it over and discussing it, no
doubt with your family and others who whose opinions mean
the most to you, did you consider going on for
a bit longer?

Speaker 20 (46:46):
Yeah, as you do when you make any decision, your
wigh up a number of options and and obviously carrying
on was was.

Speaker 13 (46:54):
Was one of them? Or or put on the pen
was the other one? So yeah, you mull over it
your way up the pros.

Speaker 20 (47:01):
And cons, and you try and I guess come up
with with what decision you think is right and I
felt that this is the right decision.

Speaker 13 (47:08):
Now.

Speaker 20 (47:09):
Also look around and he's a great group of young
bowlers coming through which I've had the privilege to play
alongside and work with, and I'm excited about about them
and watching them keep taking this keep moving this team
forward as well.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Were speaking of young bowlers. March two thousand and eight
Test Tabu against England and Napier nineteen years old. After
three overs on your debut, you had two for not
many and they were Michael Vorn and Andrew Strauss. You
must have thought Test cricket was a piece of cake.

Speaker 20 (47:39):
Yeah, a dreams start, just I guess, to play his
cricket at such a young age, having not played a
lot of first class cricket and not been out of
I guess, not been out of school for that long either,
and been thrown straight in there against again a quality
side in England and some great players, was just a

(48:00):
dream come true. I think I was probably young enough
to be a little bit naive as as to what
I was will get into, and just had that freedom
that a lot of teenagers have. So yeah, it was
just a great, great way to start. And I guess,
I guess take an early wicket to know that you
belong and you can, and I guess settle the nears

(48:20):
A little bit was made that day a little bit easier,
and you.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Grew and developed the course across a sixteen seventeen year career.
When do you think your Test bowling sweet spot was?
When do you reckon you were bowling at your best
with the Red Bull?

Speaker 13 (48:35):
Yeah? I guess you go through through periods. I think probably.

Speaker 20 (48:39):
Yeah, So you look at that that run to the
to the Test Championship final, the I guess the partnership
with BOLTI there for for a long period of time
was probably, I guess the sweet spot. And I guess
the success we had in that time was was a
lot down. So I guess not only the runs, the
better school, but obviously the ability to take twenty wickets

(49:01):
and the bowling group that we had at that time.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, you're and Trent obviously one of our most famous
combinations eight hundred and thirty odd international wickets across one
hundred and seventy seven games together. How much do you
think your success came from bowling with Trent Bold? And
vice versa? How much of hers do you think came
from bowling alongside you.

Speaker 13 (49:18):
Yeah, I think a lot.

Speaker 20 (49:19):
We have a lot to I guess thank each other
for and and a partnership that I am really cherished
and enjoyed, enjoyed bowling alongside. And we're very fortunate to
do it at under ninety level Fingy Zealand and Northern
Districts and then domestically for free end every now and then.

Speaker 13 (49:37):
But to do it with a good mate.

Speaker 20 (49:40):
For ten years across all all three formats and at
international cricket was pretty special. So yeah, I think we
complimented each other pretty well and I think the success
that we had in that period of time was helped
by the work that we did for each other.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Where does the World Test Championship victory sit in amongst
your achievements.

Speaker 20 (50:01):
Yeah, there's a number of number of yes, sort of
have a little bit of time and I'm sure there
be more time reflecting over over over the next wee while.
But you look back and I think the Test Championship
has to be at the top of what what, what's
what's going on in the last sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years
And alongside the I guess the last few weeks we've

(50:22):
had in India, so yeah, I think to win a
world title.

Speaker 13 (50:28):
I guess big.

Speaker 20 (50:29):
Crown World Champions in the in the purest format was
pretty special.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
You've played an awful lot of cricket for a past bowler.
What has been the secret of your longevity and the
relative lack of injury should suffered across your career.

Speaker 20 (50:45):
Yeah, I guess having a reasonably smooth actions has helped.
I guess just the hard work that goes in behind that.
A lot of people see the conditioning side of things,
getting yourself, getting your.

Speaker 13 (50:58):
Body ready, getting your body right. You play a lot
of it with with with niggles and.

Speaker 20 (51:06):
Yeah, I guess with with a bit of pain throughout
there throughout the time as well. But but just I
think what gets you through is just the I guess,
the fulfillment you get for going out and doing what
we do in the representing our country and and.

Speaker 13 (51:19):
And fulfilling a childhood dream.

Speaker 20 (51:21):
So I think, yeah, it's just been very fortunate, been
I guess lucky at times to be able to play
as much as much as they have. But there's a
lot of a lot of work. Like like like anythink
you have have success, there's a lot of work that
goes on behind the scenes that that not many people see.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
How much has the way you bowled in Test cricket
changed over your long Test career.

Speaker 20 (51:47):
Not too much, I think obviously the skill set has
always been the same. I've sort of only reready had
the outswing delivery and developed I guess the three quarterball.

Speaker 13 (51:55):
And yeah, a lot of my my bowling has been.

Speaker 20 (52:00):
I guess channeling around consistency and and I guess been
being relentless in your in your line lenks. So yeah,
I guess there's not a lot has changed over the years.
You just try and try and use your experience and
I guess learning all the time, trying to improve.

Speaker 13 (52:16):
In certain ways.

Speaker 20 (52:18):
But in terms of skills set, it hasn't changed changed
too much.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
How do you reflect on your time as New Zealand
Test captain?

Speaker 20 (52:25):
Yeah, it was probably something I never thought I would
have done.

Speaker 13 (52:29):
I really enjoyed the role.

Speaker 20 (52:32):
I enjoy thinking about the game, kid deeply about the side,
so it was nice to have a real privilege to
lead the side for a period of time.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I think my favorite memory of yours actually was a
white ball game seven to thirty three against England in
Wellington at the twenty fifteen Cricket World Cup. Where does
that set among your favorite days playing for New Zealand.

Speaker 20 (52:52):
Yeah, I think that was just one of those days,
and you don't have many of them, but that was
one of them where, Yeah, just a dream day. A
World Cup in New Zealand was special, the cricket we
were playing at the time, and.

Speaker 13 (53:07):
That sort of, I guess, sort of ignited.

Speaker 20 (53:09):
Our our World Cup that that that that day, I
think not only the way we bowl, but also the
way that Brendan particularly went out and really sort of
sort of took it to the English bowlers and and
really put a statement on that tournament. So yeah, I
think just seeing the captain full hearing and playing in

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front of front of full stadiums throughout that whole tournament
was was certainly a highlight as well of my career.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Yeah, it was a great time. So you need fifteen
wickets for four hundred Test matches, you need four sixers
for one hundred sixers and Test matches? What what would
you what would you rather do if you only had one?
If you could only.

Speaker 13 (53:47):
Choose one, Yeah, I guess you sit here and it'd
be nice to have both of them.

Speaker 20 (53:54):
But but I think as when you started, and as
a kid you're I guess taking one wicket would have
been would have been a dream, contruders.

Speaker 13 (54:03):
So to sit here with with.

Speaker 20 (54:04):
Close to eight hundred food fingers across all all three
formats is.

Speaker 13 (54:09):
Has been pretty special. And I guess something.

Speaker 20 (54:11):
I'll effect on in time. So yeah, four hundred will
be nice. But I guess three three nine yards still
not a bet effort as well, so yeah it'd be nice,
so I guess to cross over that. But if not,
then just yeah, I guess been very very privileged and
very honor to be able to represent his ylland and
do what I love doing for for such a long

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period of time. I guess being a bowler would be
nice to sit there and and uh and tick off
a betting a betting record.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
In some way, And will you continue to play domestically
franchise cricket perhaps be on this calendar year.

Speaker 20 (54:47):
Yeah, I'd still like, I still feel like I can
still got this games given me a lot, and I'd
like to carry on playing for for a period of time.
So yeah, I think, just I guess the toll that
Test cricket takes on on you and and the tea twenty,
the amount of Teach twenty crickets out there, and so
I think you I'd like to to continue to play
in some way over over the last few years.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Congratulations on an absolutely outstanding Test career, Tim, I hope
it ends on a high over the next month or so.
Thanks for taking the time for a chat.

Speaker 13 (55:16):
No worries, tes pony, No, thank you Tim.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Tim Southey yesterday announcing that the upcoming Test series against
England three tests, christ Church, Wellington, Hamilton, that'll be it
for him as far as the Test arena is concerned.
I'm can to hear your reflections actually on Tim Southey
and his long career. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eight are going to open the lines on this. There's
absolutely no doubt he'll go down as one of our

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best ever seam bowlers. And cricket's a game, isn't it
where you can use stats as a pretty good guide
as to someone's influence on a game, and Tim Southy's
stats absolutely stack up. As I mentioned at the top
of the chat, one hundred and four Test matches spread
over seventeen summers, three hundred and eighty five Test wickets,

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second only to the great Sir Richard Hadley three hundred
eighty five international white ball wickets as well. The only
player in the world to claim three hundred Test wickets,
two hundred ODI wickets and one hundred T twenty international wickets.
Nobody else has done that. One of only four players

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in the world to play more than one hundred matches
in all three international formats. One of only six New
Zealanders to play one hundred Test matches in T twenties.
One hundred and sixty four T twenty wickets the most
in world cricket. But the numbers are just a part
of it, obviously. Tim Southey's been a part of the

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most successful period in our Test cricket history, and he's
displayed a longevity and a resilience that is pretty rare
among fast bowlers. You only have to look around at
some other fast bowlers whose careers have been cut short
by injuries, both nigli ones and long term ones, and

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look at Coyle Jamison. He's the best current example of this.
You know, his career has just been you know, even
though it's quite short. When did Corle Jamison first play
for US twenty nineteen twenty twenty around there. He just
has had no luck with injuries. Shane Bond another one.
I know he was bowling a bit quicker, but Tim

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Southey has remained pretty much injury free the whole time,
and he's been part of many of our great Test victories.
Here's another stat for you. Forty six times he has
been on the winning side for New Zealand in Test
cricket forty six. That's the most by any New Zealand player.
He's got the most wickets for New Zealand in Test

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victories two hundred and seven in Test victories in an
average of twenty two. And in every Test match that
he's played in that New Zealand's has won, he has
taken at least one wicket in all of those Tests.
And as I said before, his career, you know, the
end of it have been overshadowed slightly by a bit

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of a mixed bag as Test captain, and I guess
a reduced ability to take wickets at the back end
of his career. That shouldn't detract from his legacy. There's
no way it should detract from his legacy. Here's one
of our greats, one of our absolute grades. Your thoughts
are welcome on Tim southy oh eight hundred and eighty

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ten eighty back with some of your thoughts after this
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Speaker 1 (58:36):
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Speaker 2 (58:46):
One twenty seven on News Talks. There'll be some great
texts coming through on Tim Southey. I was just thinking
during the break that the mark of any great player,
I guess is that they're in the conversation for for
a best ever eleven. You know, we all do this,
don't We sit around and we say, okay, what's our
best ever Test cricket eleven?

Speaker 6 (59:07):
And you.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Sort of kick a few ideas around about who opens
the batting, who comes in and number three all that stuff,
and then you get down to the bowlers and take all, right,
who are our bowlers and our best ever Test eleven?
And obviously Sir Richard Hadley's there, so he's there, And
then I think you generally accept that Trent Bolt's there too,
even though he doesn't hasn't taken as many wickets as

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Tim Southee. I think Trent Bolt, I don't know. He
seems to turn up in most people's best Test elevens,
but I think Tim Southey's your third seemer and that
in that fictional best ever Test eleven, isn't he? If
you if you're picking the best ever and you're taking
three seam bowlers, I think it's Sir Richard Hadley, Trent

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Bolt and Tim Southy. There are three best, don't they.
There's certainly our three highest wicket takers. I know that's
only one metric, but as I said before, Test cricket
allows you to use stats in a fairly accurate sense
as far as somebody's impact on a game. Graham says,
Soudy's my first change bowler and the best New Zealand
Test team of all time with Hadley and Bolt opening.

(01:00:13):
Thanks Graham. There's been a few times, says Nathan and
Tim Southy's career when people have said to Cullum loose,
and every time he's answered with wonderful cricket. Let's hope
Tim can finish strong like he deserves too. Let's not
forget how good his catching has been as well. He'll
be sorely missed. He has a great of New Zealand cricket.

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Thanks Nathan, great words, Lindsay says, Jason think it was
Tim Soude who gave one of the best all time
quotes that I've passed on many times. He'd been taking
pain injections and he was asked how he was playing
or how it felt playing with injections. He replied the
best painkiller was getting wickets. A great quote. Thank you, Lindsey.

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Rob says full credit to Tim Soudy on an exceptional career.
Thanks Rob, I appreciate your text. Shane Bond before bolto
Saude in the all time Lefe says this one. Shane
Bond has to be in the team says this one. Yeah,
I didn't mean this to be a discussion on this,

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but I guess it's morphed into that. Come on, Jason
says this one. We all know Richard Hadley wouldn't have
taken as many wickets as he did without you and
Chatfield at the other end, So you've got to have
him and the team. Yeah again, we're talking partnerships here,
aren't we. And the South The Bolt one, there's no argument,

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was our best ever opening bowling partnership better than I mean,
I grew up in the era of Hadley and Chapfield.
I love both men dearly, but I think even they
would accept that as a partnership. Trent Bolton, Tim is
how they are our best ever. Shane Bond with exclamation marks,
says Paul. Shane Bond every time, says Tim. Shane Bond

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has to be in the best team. Okay, we can
have Shane Bond and then I can put him in.
I think you can still have Bolt, Hadley, south The
and Bond because Haley can he can be an all rounder.
He can be your number seven. Then you left with eight, nine,
ten to eleven. So we get a Vitry writing this
down as I speak, sau the Bond Bolt, So Sir

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Richard comes in at number seven, then Vitry Soudy Bond
Bolts either they go. I've got them all on. How
will Gary Stead, black Caps coach, remember Tim Southy. Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:02:32):
Look, I think Tim's numbers will speak for themselves. I
mean he's the amy bowler I think in world cricket
to take three hundred Test wickets, two hundred eightys and
one hundred internationals. His longevity in the game I think
has been quite incredible rarely. He's a guy that's been very,
very resilient, hasn't had a lot of injuries throughout his
whole career, and I know someone that we've certainly lean

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on with our team and across all formats. So he'll
be a huge hole, I think, But all good things
come to an end at some stage, and look, I
just congratulate him him on a fantastic career for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
So what will tim Soudi's legas be in the eyes
of Gary Stead.

Speaker 21 (01:03:08):
Look, it's always hard, I think to know that for
sure now, but he's been part of a group of
bowlers who have been instrumental in getting New Zealand across
all three formats to where they are now and being
a competitive side. I think Timmy's probably seen some of
the dark times of the Black Caps side as well,
when things weren't going so well. So to be a

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part of that, I guess, growing the unit, growing the team,
the environment, the way we want to want to be seen.
I think he's been a big, big part of that,
and apart from his numbers and what he's done on
the park, I think that'll be a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
And what about his off field influence on the Black Apps.

Speaker 21 (01:03:48):
Yeah, Timmy's a real tough nut. I mean he's as
I said, he's resilient. There'll be times he's very, very sore,
especially in test matches, but he gets up and he
goes again, and I think that's a real key one,
I think, especially across test matches. Look, he's always put
the team first. He's a guy that will get around others.

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He'll go and seek out guys who may be struggling
a bit and get his arm around them and make
sure that he can get them back up again, because
he knows the value of being a team sport. It's
not just about one individual, it's about everyone doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
And finally from Gary Stead, any particular highlights of tim
Southy's career as a Black App.

Speaker 21 (01:04:30):
Jeez, Look, he's a bit of a prankster. I mean,
he's always willing to have a bit of a laugh
off the field, and I think if there's anything untoward
going on, you probably look at Saudi as one of
the first people to be in and involved in that
as well. But I think on the field, I mean
you've mentioned a couple World Cup finals in both T
twenty and ODI Cricket. He was a key performer through

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the World Test Championship cycle and then ultimately going on
to win that as well. And maybe it hasn't sunk
him with Tim right now, but I think when you
look back on that and times to come, you'll really
appreciate the roles and I guess the part that he
played in that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
There you go, Gary Steed on the career of Tim Southy.
I realize I haven't picked a wicket keeper in my
fictional eleven. So if I have Sir Richard Hadley, Dan
for Tory, Tim Southy, Shane Bond and Trent Bolt, then
my wicket keeper's got a bat in the top six.
So I guess I could have Brendan McCallum. I could
have bej Watling. Yeah, anyway, I didn't exercise I didn't

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mean for this to become a discussion on that, although
it has on text. What about Dick Motts, you and Chatfield,
Richard Collins emotion over record. If Motts and Collins had
played more Tests, they would have got more wickets. Clearly
Hadley thrived off Chatfield. Thanks David yep. Totally agree, Totally agree,
maybe we can put together the best eleven another day,

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just on the seven for thirty three in the Cricket
World Cup in twenty fifteen. Janis says Jason. I was
at the stadium to see that wonderful performance from Southy
and Brenda McCallum's batting the same day, and absolutely privilege
to watch them both that that is one of the

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great days of New Zealand cricket. England. I think they
might have did they win the toss and decide to bat.
I can't remember that. Anyway, they batted first all out
one hundred and twenty three England in the thirty fourth
over Tim Southy nine overs seven for thirty three. Incredible

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stuff and then so New Zealand did one hundred and
twenty four to one. And it was one of those
when because the England innings was over so quickly, they
hadn't had the I was going to say the lunch break,
but it was actually the dinner break because it was
a day night match, so England were all out in
the thirty fourth over, so they didn't have the dinner break.
They instead had just had the ten minute break, and

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then New Zealand came out to bat and Brendan McCullum
went absolutely mad. Seventy seven off twenty five balls, eight
fours and seven six's. Was apt absolutely smashing it. And
I remember this so vividly. They got to within about
ten runs of the winning target and they took the

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dinner break, and I can only assume the reason they
did it was because they had thirty thousand people or
whatever it was there that day and they had all
of this food that they had planned on feeding to
those thirty thousand people in the event of a normal
game of cricket, and it would have all gone to waste.

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So they so they took the dinner break, with New
Zealand on about one hundred and ten for two or
something like that, and here we go one hundred and
twelve for one. They were after nine overs when they
took the dinner break, so they were only twelve runs
short of their winning target. But they had to get
all that food, you know, I had to get all

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that food eaten, otherwise it would have all gone to waste.
I don't think they even turned the floodlights on that night.
Great memories. Janus Neil says, I feel privileged to have
been a cricket fan and the tee and tea era
Tim and Trent. Obviously they say you shouldn't meet your heroes,
but Tim Southy is hands down the nicest professional sportsperson

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I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Thank you, Neil,
I ready appreciate it. Phil says in your best eleven
pinety for straight out pace, Shane Bond has to be there. Yeah,
I tend to agree. I tend to agree that I
need to have Shane Bond in my team. Imagine if
Shane Bond had played more. His career was, as I
said before, just stymied so tragically by injury. Imagine if,

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imagine if he'd had the opportunity to play a little
bit more than he did. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty nine two nine two got to get across
the Tasman at some stage shortly. But if you want
to give us your thoughts on Southey, Tim Southeys and
his cricket career, be pleased to hear those those thoughts
nine two ninety two if you would prefer to send
them through via text message, just updating you on some

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live sport while we've got the opportunity. Speaking of cricket,
there are three domestic cricket matches going on at the moment.
These are Halle Burton Johnston Shield matches.

Speaker 7 (01:09:17):
This is the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Women's domestic comp Mount Wallganui Northern Districts batting first against
Auckland two hundred and twenty six for nine and the
forty sixth over of fifty the Otago Sparks and Canterbury Magicians.
It's raining unfortunately in along the order, but Otago through
to one eighteen for one and the twenty eighth over
when rain stopped play and a delayed start at the
Basin Reserve where it's the Central Hines up against the

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Wellington Blaze. The Hines won the toss and went and
decided to have a bat and they're fifty one for five.
So that hasn't exactly turned out the way that they
would have hoped. So the Central Hines fifty one for
five batting first against the Wellington Blaze. Jess Kerr, fresh
back from being part of the New Zealand squad that
won the T twenty Cricket World Cup, has three for

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twelve from six three for twelve. Hello Christopher, Hello, Hello,
have you got some thoughts. I'm going great, Christopher. Have
you got some thoughts on Tom Southey.

Speaker 22 (01:10:20):
Yes, I just want to go back to the part
where you were talking about how he has managed to
go through most of his three without getting injured. And
we're on the topic of fast bowlers and a lot
of them having their careers cut short. And so now
I'm from Australia. I've only just come over and I

(01:10:43):
wanted to talk about Paddy Cummens because he debut in
South Africa. I'm not sure if everyone remembers back in
twenty eleven, but he debuted in South Africa and I
think he took like seven for forty or something. And
after that though, he only played I think about five
Tests in seven years because he kept on getting stressed

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facts in his back.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
But he's still gone on. Hasn't he to be well
to be one of your greats? How many Test wickets
would would Pat comments have? He must have sort of
over two hundred and fifty Test wickets.

Speaker 22 (01:11:18):
Yeah, last I heard, I think he's played about seventy
one Tests and he's got somewhere around two hundred and
eighty Test wickets and I think somewhere in the Ballpark
around fifty two and works in each of those formats.
So yeah, he's he's done a really good job, and yeah,

(01:11:38):
I just want to find him savely great careers. I
heard the steps he's not mentioning, and yeah, sounds like
he's definitely one of New Zealand's greats.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
What brings you over to New zeal And? Christopher? Are
you here on holiday or are you Are you here permanently?

Speaker 22 (01:11:56):
Here permanently because we have a lot of families here
so in Wellington region, like around Putty Rule and all that,
So yeah, we just have helped from Putty Rul around
Carpardy Coast area.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Excellent, y'are sorr right about pat Comins. I've just looked
it up here while you've been chatting to me. Yeah,
he played the Test in twenty eleven against South Africa
and Joe Berg and then you're right didn't play for
another six years and that was all through injuries, stress fractures,
things like that.

Speaker 22 (01:12:23):
Yeah, it was quite chat I mean to be honest.
When I was listening to a story too. Yeah, what
a great player he would have been throughout that time
after his great start.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Indeed, Christopher great to Chetty you please go back any time.

Speaker 22 (01:12:39):
Thank you a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
You have a good day too. Twenty to two. Speaking
of Australia, we'll get there shortly. Adam Peacock, our regular
Australian correspondent with us right after this.

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the pleasure of the company of Australian correspondent Adam pa Kark,
who joins us now. And I want to talk some
cricket and some football, but can we start with rugby?
The wallaby speeding England in dramatic fashion last weekend at Twickenham.
Did anybody see this coming?

Speaker 6 (01:13:22):
First time?

Speaker 14 (01:13:22):
I reckon, I spoke to you Piney, and I'm happy
to start with boking.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
Not no.

Speaker 14 (01:13:30):
To be brutally honest, it was a very pleasant surprise
when we awoke last weekend to that result and the
manner of it as well, in that it was so
dramatic as the death there. But yeah, talking to someone
from Rugby Australia who I know quite well, who has
just joined an organization the last six months. He said

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that earlier last week. Everyone's just kind of got a
pep in their step again. But I can there's a
bit of doomsday out the place over the last couple
of years, which is fair enough. There's been huge tur
more in the joint. But he been you to the joint.
It's just really happy to the people who have been
there for a while and have moved through some pretty
dark days to have something like that. And yeah, no

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predictions about what's going to go on this weekend, but
it's it's certainly given people a bit of hope about
the next two years, which is massive because there's a
few big things on the horizon with the Lions tour
and then it worke up down.

Speaker 24 (01:14:25):
The track as well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Indeed, see Joseph Sui. He played really well against England,
but down to the beach for this one against Whales.
What's been the initial assessment of his switched across from
rugby league to rugby, Yeah, class.

Speaker 14 (01:14:39):
Yeah, you could. You could see it with some of
those silky touches in the midfield, and you know he's
a great addition, and he kind of justified Joe Schmid
what seems on face Valio a massive gambled. So he's
going to be very good. I think I've probably done
the right thing with him, Like it is a hard
thing to do back to back, and these tours are

(01:15:02):
not easy, especially because they don't play anything in between
and there's there's no real re So, yeah, they mixed
it up this weekend, but he's certainly a weapon off
the bench.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Let's go to football. The Soccer's and World Cup qualifying
and nil all draw with Saudi Arabia Thursday night. They
play bah Rain Wednesday morning. I've seen some mixed reviews
of the nil all draw online, is as usually the case,
what did you make of it?

Speaker 14 (01:15:28):
Yeah, it could have been better, it could have been worse,
So I'm not going to back the crap out of
the result, but I'm not going to sing its praises
or the performance. It wasn't fluid, it was a bit clunky,
but it's where we are and an opposition with a
new coach, so there was a noted down there about
how they'll play. But yeah, it's with results that have

(01:15:52):
gone our way in Destiny's still very much in our
own hands. Now we go to bah Rain and hopefully
they take this as a huge a huge game. Obviously
won't have the stature of it was really good TV
ratings actually the soprs helen I over here, but this
one's going to be played at probably about four o'clock
in the morning, so there's not going to be that
huge nature about it. But it's in a way probably

(01:16:14):
a bigger game against Bahrain because they git us over here.
There was a few antics that were going on with
diving and time wasting and carrying on like that, all
suffered a fatality every time they got found. So yeah,
there's a bit of that about it, and hopefully they
take that with the eyes to a bit of vengeance
against Bahrain and get the three points and definitely put

(01:16:35):
us on course to qualify automatically to the World Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
So what's the situation. There's different stages of Asian World
Cup qualifying, isn't there. So for example, Australia beat bah Rain,
that would put them in the box seat for automatic qualification.

Speaker 14 (01:16:51):
Yeah, so we need to finish top two. Japan off
and running. They're gone. They're at the top and they
look like they're going to easily automatically qualify it. So
we're on six points at the moment. I dare say
we need thirteen to fourteen points to automatically in this
group of six. If it doesn't go away third and fourth,
then go into another stage of qualifying because Asia now

(01:17:15):
has eight and a half spots, not just the four
and a half which we've previously had, so there's a
few more layers to it. Look out players who would
love because a lot of them in Europe, like your
guys as well. It's hard to then to trouble with
the outside of the well go back to Europe performing
the best of their club. It's better for everyone if
we qualify automatically because it means there's less games that

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they have to come back for, you know what I mean.
So yeah, it's crucial. So probably two wins in a
draw gets us through, but it won't be easy, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
We'll keep eyes on that and back on Australian soil
are hugely anticipated five Test series against the Indian cricket
team starting in Perth in test matches and Adelaide that's
a day nighter Brisbane, the boxing day Test in Melbourne
and then in Sydney, Man, what a lineup Australia against India.
How much anticipation around ahead of this?

Speaker 14 (01:18:07):
Yeah, it's huge, and thanks for softening up the Indians
for us finding. But I'm serious, they're They're not coming
here feeling great about themselves. There's a lot of questions
about the Indian brigand team. Now they've got a lot
of experience about them, but do they have the ability

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to tie it back all together again on totally different
texts obviously, like Errat Coley's got to make gives a
record area out which is over fifty, So I dare
say we see a different verat Coley. But what about
those around him, like joy Swell, the very talent and
opener never had to face bowling on these pittures before
like this, like we know he's good, is he good

(01:18:47):
enough to handle this? Rowan Sharma is going to miss
the first one of the first two, if not both
at first and second test with the family a family situation.
So yeah, they're kind of under the microscope a bit,
but they're good enough to come out of it. Our
team conversity is all about who's going to open. They've
chosen this Nathan MX's leaning out of South Australia and
at all left field selection if you looked at it

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from six months ago. But yeah, we're pretty settle, our
bowling units pretty settle. So if everyone gets through unscale
the series, it's going to be a fantastic series that
I think Australia has the edge.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Yeah, we'll certainly be keeping eyes on it over here.
Lots going on, as I say, both sides of the Tasman.
Thanks for keeping us up to date, Adam. We'll do
it again next Saturday.

Speaker 14 (01:19:29):
Sounds good, Thanks Budy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
No, thank you, Adam. Adam Peacock drive safe our Australian
correspondent around this time every Saturday afternoon. That Test series
Man five Tests Australia India. I think that's I think
we can watch that here. Pretty sure we can look
forward to doing so a five tiers series when the
last time New Zealand out a five tiers series ever?

(01:19:51):
Email here Jason Christopher, How good was that? He's a
little cricket Encyclopedia get him back on. He made us
all smile, Thanks Steve, Yeah, it's great with me. Mike
on TEXS love this little rooster. Christopher Oh, Christopher is
going to be a great cricket commentator. Sere Is Lee Pinney.
I think that young fellow Christopher has a weekly stint
on the ABC Grandstand League show on Saturday afternoons in

(01:20:13):
the NRL SIS and here was certainly an absolute encyclopedia
on Pat Cummins. Sounds like the kind of guy is
gonna have a long career in broadcasting or something to
do with sport. Maybe we need to get Christopher on
a regular slot eight and a half to two and
new stalkscept me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
From the track field and the court on your home
of Sport weekends for it with j you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Coming up five to two. Haydn got some thoughts on Tim.

Speaker 25 (01:20:43):
Southey, not for sure, mate. You know, I've known the
family for quite a long time, and I've worked with
his old man a fair bet and through the through
the farming industry and the livestock buying and selling industry,
and and they're an absolutely wonderful family. It was quite
headcase listening to to Gary Stead talking about the the

(01:21:04):
high jinks and everything. Tim was the first fellow to
look for because his old man's exactly the same and
exactly like that. I love it a real good big
and about what would be ten years ago. Now. Tim's
dad turned up to a job we were doing and
he gave me two Mumbai Indians i PL shoes single.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Amazing, amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:21:31):
They.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
I don't know. Every time I've talked to Tim Soudy
just seems like a just like a normal Kiwi, just
like you and me.

Speaker 25 (01:21:37):
Yeah, he's top man.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Sounds like his dad is too. Hayden, thanks for calling
him mate and in giving us a bit of insight there. Yeah,
it often happens, doesn't it. You know, when you when
you find a good, solid human being, often you look
at their family and you can see exactly the reason
why they've turned out the way they have. I'm looking
forward to watching Tim Soude bowl and there's a bit
of chat about whether he'll play these three Test matches. Look,

(01:22:03):
I think he probably will. I'm almost certain he'll playing
christ I'll play four seamers down there, I would imagine,
and I think he probably plays in Wellington and Hamilton
as well. And I don't think that's just out of sentiment.
I think he is one of our best three seam
bowlers at the moment available seam bowlers and so I
think he probably plays. I think it's Henry O'Rourke Southy

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in these three sess matches, and I hope he gets
a bag full of wickets, gets to four hundred and
also hits those four sixers so that he can be
the proud owner of one hundred sixers in Test match cricket,
New Wild Rugby chair Brett Robinson after two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
B two o seven Man. The Afternoon's Flying Tomorrow morning
nine o'clock All Blacks France. We've got a commentary here
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lead commentator Elliot Smith alongside Gregor Paul from the New
Zealand Herald. That game kicks off, I'm gonna say around
ten past nine. Give will take a few minutes either side,

(01:23:19):
so we'll finish Give. We'll take eleven o'clock or just after,
and Weekend Sport will start early tomorrow. We'll wrap the
game with Elliott and then open up the lines. Take
some calls have some feedback and reaction, So an elongated
weekend sports show for you tomorrow from around eleven fifteen
here on News Talk SeeDB. We're here today for another

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hour or so, then the weekend collective takeover. Doctor Brett
Robinson is the new Chair of World Rugby. He's an Australian,
the first elected chair from the Southern Hemisphere. He's standing
by the chat to us. We're going to talk some hockey.
There's a brand new hockey league around New Zealand. It's
called the Premiere Hockey League, with four privately owned rival

(01:24:03):
franchises playing over six weekends. They've had a coup of
games already, there are more today and tomorrow. One of
our great hockey players, Peter Muskimmon going to pop on
this out and tell us some more about that. And
we have an Australian rules football team going to the
Pacific Cup. It's on in the week ahead at the

(01:24:25):
Maruchi Door Multi Sports Complex. And Australia Sunshine Coast got
a men's team, the Falcons and a women's team the
Caho taking part in the Pacific Cup. So we'll find
out a bit more about that as well. Keep an
eye on Live Sport for you and continue to take
your calls and feedback. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
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do it about the sign both days on weekend Sport,
it's time to catch you up on some of the
stuff that you may have missed in case you missed
it as the name of the feature and starting today
in adela eight a chaotic qualifying day at the Adelaide's Supercars.

Speaker 26 (01:25:06):
We've got a huge chastity here for Hill and the
sp tool cut has been absolutely total red flag qualifying
twenty three and another guard Reynolds is gonna be us
and there's Jock on the road and that's another destroyer
that was a new car at the Gold Coast. So
Hill and Reynolds catastrophe in Adelaide.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
The session was eventually called off, Will Brown claiming pole
for today's Top ten shootout. Last night in Hamilton, the
All Whites were completely and utterly ruthless against a hopelessly
outmatched Vanuatu side in their World Cup qualifier.

Speaker 7 (01:25:44):
Bell nice touch from Garbet garb it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Oh yeah, that's a good that's.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Separate scene he's got on the scorebar.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
What beautiful lead up work from Matt Garbett. Yeah eight
to one the final score in Hamilton last night as
New Zealand were far too good for van To A
couple of goals for Chris Wood, Matt Garbett, Tyler Binden Eli.
Just that goal from Sarth Reach saying Kellu McCowan and
an own goal. Your Whites play some more at Mount
Smart on Monday night to Rugby this morning in Ireland

(01:26:20):
had to dig deep to avoid two losses in a
row to Rugby Championship sides laser up.

Speaker 27 (01:26:27):
Ireland just cannot get their hands on it.

Speaker 28 (01:26:31):
It's gone forwards your Argentina at n Aviva Stadium collectedly,
let's start a sigh.

Speaker 25 (01:26:41):
Of relief.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
There, Ireland avoiding an upset against Argentina. Would have there
been an upset, I don't know. A twenty two to
nineteen win for Ireland in Dublin and to Football Scotland
a huge upset in the away FA Nations League. A
late goal giving them a wonder win over Croatia.

Speaker 17 (01:27:02):
Gets it across again.

Speaker 9 (01:27:03):
The golchy for no Mgennavid John McGan.

Speaker 28 (01:27:10):
Monumental moments in the blue of Scotland's had to wait
for her and John began left to the starting lineup
with the point to crew.

Speaker 9 (01:27:25):
What bias?

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
He just prominent when it's down to the line you
made a call. On eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pine
News Talks MB.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Australian doctor Brett Robinson has been elected as the new
Chair of World Rugby following two rounds of voting at
the twenty twenty four Interim meeting of Council in Dublin, Ireland.
He becomes the first elected chair from the Southern Hemisphere,
chosen over fellow candidates Abdul A Latife Benazi from France
and Andrea Ronaldo from Italy. The fifty two members of

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the World Rugby Council were the ones who were doing
the voting, and Brett Robinson succeeds Bill Beomont on a
four year term. He joins us now, congratulations Bred on
being elected World Rugby Chair. What sort of organization, what
sort of sport do you inherit as the chair of
World Rugby?

Speaker 23 (01:28:20):
I look first, I just want to say how incredibly
humble I am to be elected to be World Rugby
Chair and I also wanted to say thank you to
the support of New Zealand, the New Zealand Rugby Union
in asking me or pushing me and giving me a
nudge to step forward, and then also the support they've

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given me right through to the final vote yesterday. So
I just wanted to say thank you very much. And
I guess I also want, you know, to recognize, you know,
as you've said, Bill Bowmont is stepping down after eight
years in the role and I'm taking on the leadership
of effectively what's a new board for the organization. We'll

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have some new directors coming together and we'll be coming
together with a management team in the next month or so,
just to really navigate through what the path forward really
looks like. I'm sitting down with Allan Gilben on Monday
and we're getting to work to plan out the next
sort of six months and I guess really to consider

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that the journey we've been on, but also the journey
that we need to continue with or what we need
to stop, start or do more of. And I think
that's probably to your question about the future of the game.
I mean, we have a wonderful sport. I think the
product itself is something that we are constantly looking and

(01:29:45):
improving upon. We just had some wonderful trials actually that
have been approved to go through into this upcoming autumn
series that speed the ball in play and also reduced downtime.
So I think there's positive energy about the product at
the moment in the game, and I think we need
to continue that momentum as we head into next year

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and particularly a World Cup year for the women in
the UK next year. So there's there's plenty ahead of us,
and I know the New Zealand national women's team will
be looking to try and win another World Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
So the big challenges facing the game right now, you've
you've alluded to a couple of them. What do you
see though, as the major challenges facing the game globally
right now?

Speaker 23 (01:30:31):
Well, there's the biggest challenge I think facing the game,
which isn't necessarily an organizational issue for World Rugby. It's
an organization, it's an issue for the whole of the game,
is I guess challenges of managing revenue and cost space.
And I think we've seen over the last sort of

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four or five years particularly, and that's predominantly driven by
wage inflation. Players salary pressures and ability to sustain revenues
to support. So we've had the crisis meeting about six
or eight weeks ago in Dublin where we bought the
top unions together to actually talk about the revenue and
cost leaders that we think we can control together. They're
not things that World Rugby on its own you can

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deal with. They're things that are all the major unions
are there to deal with. And there was a follow
up meeting actually the day before the election where the
unions came together degree on action plans and accountability and
working groups that actually going away to look at some
of those levers. So for me, that's probably one of
the biggest issues. The other is obviously this, you know,

(01:31:38):
the ongoing challenges of making sure that mums and dads
want their kids to play the game and safely. And
so I'm as a clinician, I'm very passionate about the
player welfare initiatives that the game is undertaken and the
need for the game to be safe and healthy. And
I think that's the other significant issue we've got to
continue to stare into.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
You talked about costs and revenue there as our player
salary is too high is that the long and the
short of it.

Speaker 23 (01:32:06):
I think there's clearly some top you know, there's some
top end pressure that's blown up a few clubs here
in the Northern Hemisphere. You know that the Premiership here
actually have introduced salary cap to try and manage and
control that. We have other markets in Europe and in
Asia that clearly are pushing salaries higher and higher, and

(01:32:27):
I think if we don't look at some way of
managing it, ultimately, I'm a player and was a player,
I understand you know that we want to make sure
it's a competitive market and players are well rewarded. But
ultimately if the system falls over, then you know we
haven't got a sustainable opportunity for players to play. So
it's a balance.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
You mentioned revenue as well. How important is it for
rugby to expand into new markets?

Speaker 23 (01:32:55):
The Nation's Championship? For me, when we announced the World
Cup last year that we were expanding Rugby World Cup
in Australia to twenty four teams, so another four teams,
and that we also were kicking off in twenty twenty
six two times in every cycle at twenty four team
competition with two tiers. That ultimately have promotion relegation where

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these matches that we're playing now and these windows actually
have meaning and they end up delivering an outcome through
a final. I think that is going to really create jeopardy, energy, positivity,
and more revenue for the markets that we play those
games in. And equally is it's important it will provide
competition for those other unions that haven't got certain year

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of competition right now, particularly the emerging nations. So I
think that's a really exciting initiative. We obviously need a
deal to be done between SANSOAR and six Nations and
then that'll enable us we'll me to finalize what we're
doing with the remaining twelve teams.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Do you believe or perceive there to be a North
South divide when we talk about rugby's traditional nations. Do
you think there's a north south divide on some of
the key issues facing the game.

Speaker 23 (01:34:08):
I think the election kicks that into touch. You know,
this was an election based on philosophy, a collection of
unions from the north and the south for helping and
enabling to deal with these issues that we're discussing, because
they're not just northern, they're not Southern Hemisphere issues or
Northern Hemisphere issues, their game related issues. So I think

(01:34:32):
that's what I'm quite optimistic about is the fact that
you know, Jonathan Webb is now my deputy chair. You know,
I've got strong support from Northern Hemisphere countries and they
all agree we need to get on and deal with
some of these issues.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
What is New Zealand's role to play in the game
globally right now?

Speaker 23 (01:34:52):
Well, New Zealand Rugby have and will continue to be
the gold standard of a high performance union. You know,
there's a reason why Australian rugby has benefited from a
two hour our flight across the Tasman. It's because we've
got to play since I was a young boy, and
my young kid and my young boy himself who played

(01:35:14):
against New Zealand schools a few weeks ago in Hamilton.
We get to play against year guys all the time
and for ound women's and men, that enables and it
elevates performance. And I think that, you know, the influence
that New Zealand plays on the field is significant, but
equally off the field, you know, I have to say,

(01:35:34):
you know the leadership of Mark Robinson, the strategic opportunities
he can see for the game globally, I think you've
got some really capable leadership at the top of your
game that also is really having an influence around where
the game is going globally.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Hey, thank you Brett for joining us across New Zealand
and congratulations again on your on your election as the
new Chair of World Rugby. That is doctor Brett Robinson,
who on a four year term, is now the new
chair of the Game of Rugby's governing body. Further to
that election, New Zealand Rugby's influence also bolstered the election

(01:36:16):
of Bart Campbell and Melody Robinson to the World Rugby
Executive Board. Bart Campbell is a Southern Hemisphere representative and
Melody Robinson are players representative. Bart Campbell and South African
Rugby President Mark Alexander were elected. The others in the
running were former Wallaby John Eels and Argentina's gasp Show

(01:36:39):
Melody Robinson, nominated alongside Islands Rob Carney by the International
Rugby Players Association. So Bart Campbell and Melody Robinson congratulations
to those two Keywis for their election to the World
Rugby Executive Board. Just on two twenty one, Just while
we're on the subject of rugby, Patrick twey pilot to
will play his fiftieth Test match for the All Blacks

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tomorrow morning. That is, of course, if he comes off
the bench, which you'd have to think he will in
the in the Test match against France, bringing up fifty
Test matches. Patrick to we Pulot to Elliott Smith's Our
Man on Too, our rugby editor, lead commentator. He spoke
to Patrick tow we Piloto on the last day or
so about this milestone.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Patrick, do we pilot to fiftieth Test and coming this
week in congratulations? How does that milestone feel?

Speaker 6 (01:37:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 29 (01:37:28):
It's probably just for me. It's another Gamely doesn't feel
like it's a big milestone bout saying that to bring
out fifty is pretty I'm pretty spoked with considering how
many injuries I've had and then the caliber of other
locks have been here before me and the Black jersey.

(01:37:48):
So yeah, pretty happy with fifty, but looking forward to
the tough for a French team. First, does it feel
like a long time coming?

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
You've had, as you say, a lot of injuries that
have been been behind perhaps white lock and retaliate does
it feel like it's been a long time coming to
crack the fifty.

Speaker 29 (01:38:04):
Yeah, it's probably a look at other guys, all the
young guys, really, guys like Rigs are probably nice about
dye tests, and not only him but his other guys
here as well. He started after me. So yeah, it
does feel like a long time coming. But to get
fifty in the black jersey is pretty pretty special.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Just yeah, this team, you've come in and playing a
bench roll at the moment. What's the impact that you're
trying to add from that that bench roll? I suppose
that that's it's just impact. Really trying to be physical
when I come on. It's not a new role.

Speaker 29 (01:38:39):
I think when I first started with the ABS, the
bench is going pretty good then, so yeah, trying to
I suppose solidify what the starters do and have for
myself just try to get the ball in my hands
early so I can be physical the mind that from
all the other guys who are coming on for the

(01:38:59):
bench as well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Does it feel like, yeah, if you get an early
touch once you come on the part that things flow
a little bit better rather than waiting run for a cara.

Speaker 13 (01:39:06):
You're a line up.

Speaker 29 (01:39:06):
Whatever it might be, yeah, I think, but the thing
of cod a on the bench, you don't know if
you're going to get twenty ten or five. So being
able to do something straight away for me, getting hands
on the board or try to make a dominant collision,
I think it's where my game is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
Seems like the benches that's always been important, I guess
some rugby, but you know it's South Africa in the
way they're going, but also the way they all Blacks
have sort of built the bench over the course of
the year that it's a real twenty three man game
at the moment. Do you do you feel the same way?

Speaker 13 (01:39:35):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 29 (01:39:36):
I think you look at the guys on the bench.
I think given us, we connect as a as a
bench on the field and talk about our roles beforehand.
So I think for me, I feel like there's a
bit of a culture shift there. I think we would
all like to start obviously, but having the ben troll
is important and I think for me especially, I'm kind

(01:39:58):
of enjoying the role that that entails, and I think
with a few.

Speaker 13 (01:40:04):
Other guys that offer plus the.

Speaker 29 (01:40:08):
We're starting to enjoy that together as well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
That is Patrick Twey Pilot two who for the third
testing succession will come off the reserves bench wearing jersey
number nineteen for the All Blacks. But tomorrow morning it
will be Test Match number fifty four. Patrick Twoy Pilot
two to twenty four. When we come back, we're going
to find out a little bit more about the Premier
Hockey League, New Zealand's new elite domestic hockey competition. That's

(01:40:30):
when we come back here at Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Two twenty seven on News Talks thereb. The Premier Hockey
League is New Zealand's new elite domestic field hockey competition.
It involves four rival franchises playing over six weekends, culminating
with the finals day on the seventh of December at
North Harbor. It's Round three this weekend. Find out a
bit more about this competition, its origins and that sort

(01:41:03):
of thing. Let's bring in former Black Sticks Legend double
Olympian Peter Muskimmon. Peter, thanks for joining. Just tell us
about the origins of this Premiere Hockey League. How did
it all come about here?

Speaker 13 (01:41:16):
Hi?

Speaker 7 (01:41:16):
How are you hey?

Speaker 27 (01:41:17):
Thanks so much for the opportunity. Yes, it's hugely exciting
for the hockey community. We've been a bit baron of
top flight elite hockey provincial hockey in New Zealand for
quite some time.

Speaker 7 (01:41:30):
So this is really a play from New Zealand Hockey
to create more products and more.

Speaker 27 (01:41:36):
Content for New Zealand hockey fans to see an experience,
and it's really all about strengthening the pathway and opportunities
for aspiring young players on their pathway.

Speaker 7 (01:41:48):
Towards the Black Sticks and beyond. So it's a redesign.

Speaker 27 (01:41:52):
It's it's four franchises, one from the lower and from
the South Island called the Old Piners, one from the
Lower North Island which is the Falcons, There's one through
through the middle which is the Mavericks, and then there
is the Tridents, which takes in all of Auckland and Northland.
So the are the four franchises and they're doing battle

(01:42:13):
right now and the and the inaugural PHL.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
How were the squads selected for each of the franchises,
Peter Yea.

Speaker 27 (01:42:20):
Most of the players self determined the the province of
origin or where they grew up and the old story
it's mate on mate, So a lot of them want
to go back and play for those that you know
that where they came from and where.

Speaker 7 (01:42:36):
They originated from.

Speaker 27 (01:42:38):
Equally, it's created a real opportunity, I know, the likes
of the South Island. It brings all the guys from
Otago and Cannoby together that normally would battle it away.
They're on the same roster, same team. It's very much
the same as elsewhere. And the Falcons. You know, it's
bringing the Wellington, the Mnaatu and the Hawks Bay together
in a really unique way and that's quite novel and

(01:42:59):
actually all the players are very excited about about playing
together when typically they fought each other on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Now one of the unique features of the Premier Hockey
League is the private ownership component to it. Can can
you unpack that a little bit for us?

Speaker 7 (01:43:15):
Yeah, I think this is all.

Speaker 27 (01:43:17):
Obviously most sports have gone down pathway of looking at
local ownership and a local investment in that pathway and
in the future.

Speaker 7 (01:43:29):
So Hockey New Zealand has gone down that route as well.

Speaker 27 (01:43:31):
So created four franchises so for locally owned clubs, if
you like, have been created. You know that the Alpineers,
the Falcons, the Mavericks and the Tridents that they are
all uniquely owned, privately owned. That that's got philanthropic investment

(01:43:51):
and it's got commercial investment. So each of those franchises
has to pull together quite a significant amount of dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:43:58):
To make the PHL work this year.

Speaker 27 (01:44:02):
The really significant thing is the players have all agreed
not to be paid, and that's significant. Otherwise we would
never have been able to get this the league up
and going. And so that's their contribution and to this league,
and all of the players wanted this league. That was
one of the highest priority of all the black sticks
coming out was our top flight league. So those four

(01:44:26):
franchises have now been created and they are busily developing,
you know, their financial models and getting local investment and
to support the talent in the area.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
All right, So we've had two rounds already, Peter, who's
making the I guess you'd call it the early running
and the men's and women's competitions.

Speaker 27 (01:44:45):
If I take the men's to start with the Alpineers,
the South Island team, you know, they boast about twelve
to or more Black Sticks current Black Sticks players in it.

Speaker 7 (01:44:57):
They're very very strong at the moment.

Speaker 27 (01:44:59):
They've had two wins so far, so they are topping
the pool and the other three teams are all sitting
on two point, so ol Piners have eight and Trient's,
Mavericks and Falcons all have two. Where they are all
effectively drawing and cutting each other's throats if you like,
and that's allowed the old Pinters to jump ahead and
the Woman's it's a little bit tighter.

Speaker 7 (01:45:20):
The Falcons are on six points.

Speaker 27 (01:45:23):
They've had a win and a drawer and on that
drawer there is a shootout at the end of that
and they've won that shootout which gives them an extra point.
So they're one point ahead of the Tridents from Auckland
and Northland and two points for the Alpiners and one
for the Mavericks. So a lot to play for this
weekend as shaping forward to the finals weekend which one

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plays too, and both men and women buying out for
the title, the PHL title.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
As far as the scoring system is concerned, Peter, I
understand there's a slight innovation as far as that's concerned
as well. Can you tell us about that.

Speaker 27 (01:46:01):
Yeah, this is all about making it more exciting for
fans who come along. What Hockey New Zealand's done is
adopted a experimental rule which Australia have been playing with,
which is when you score a field goal you get
the opportunity to take a penalty shootout for an extra point.

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So if you score a field goal, the person who
scored the goal actually has a shootout with the goalkeeper
and so you can go from one point to two
points very quickly, so that dramatically changes the nature of
the game.

Speaker 7 (01:46:33):
It slightly emphasizes field.

Speaker 27 (01:46:35):
Goals over corners, so corner is only worth one goal,
but you can double up with a field goal with two,
so the game changes. The mood of the game changes
very quickly. If you can get a field goal and
a shootout point, you know you can catch up to
the opposition very quickly if you're behind.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
You've mentioned it a couple of times, Peter, but how
much do you expect this competition will help our national teams,
our men's and women's black sticks.

Speaker 7 (01:47:01):
Well, I think it's too far one. It does create
a pathway.

Speaker 27 (01:47:04):
It does show young kids coming up what they need
to do and where they need to go. If you
want to make the pathway to the Black Sticks, you
definitely need to have a strong showing in one of
these PHL teams. So these are our best players right
through the country. They're seeded with some international players. There
will be more international players coming in over time, hopefully

(01:47:27):
opening up to more in Asia players coming in and
providing a link into Asia as well. So there's great
ambition in terms of the roster of those teams. But
what the players are saying is they definitely want higher
quality domestic elite competition in New Zealand and this.

Speaker 7 (01:47:47):
Will will provide it.

Speaker 27 (01:47:48):
But equally it provides all the fans and all the
young kids the opportunity of seeing the heroes playing. They
just don't get enough of them. Many of our men
and women are now playing offshore in Europe and this
is an opportunity for them to come home in a
window that works for their contracting in Europe, allows them
to come home and play. And so we again to

(01:48:09):
see all of these top players battling it out and
the young kids are absolutely loving it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
Absolutely And the vision Peter moving forward, I know we've
only just started, but you talked about ambition is the
vision moving forward to have more teams, longer season, what
have you sort of has that been discussed at all?

Speaker 27 (01:48:26):
Yeah, Well, the opportunity here is we have a free
to wear deal with TV and Z Plus, which really
means that the games can be experienced and seen by
more fans and more people, which is great. I think
the whole financial viability is the critical issue here. Substantial
investment from the hockey community already coming in, so that will,

(01:48:48):
you know, depending on that will will dictate how much
the competition can expand.

Speaker 7 (01:48:54):
But I think to the next three or four years
that will be the.

Speaker 27 (01:48:56):
Four but it may well be more quality players from
offshore coaches as well as players coming into the league
to really showcase it and make it a fan fantastic
opportunity for people to get along and watch hockey.

Speaker 7 (01:49:10):
It's best, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Just before you go, I just want to ask about
the decision or the announcement of the scale back twenty
twenty six Commonwealth Games in Glasgow. Hockey has missed out
on the schedule there. I know that there's a great
hope that it will return in twenty thirty. How much
of a blow though is it to the sport here?
To miss out on the schedule for Glasgow.

Speaker 27 (01:49:31):
Well, it wasn't unsurprising. I think we, like a number
of other sports, could see the riding on the wall.
I mean it was fantastic against Scotland has picked up
the thread of the Commonwealth Games after what happened in
Victoria and Melbourne, and it's just wonderful for athletes to
have Commonwealth Games, even though it's scaled down.

Speaker 7 (01:49:52):
I don't think the.

Speaker 27 (01:49:52):
Commonwealth Federation see the Commonwealth Games being a cutdown version.
It certainly sees it as a different version going forward.
So like all other sports that are not on the
program for Glasgow, there is an opportunity of coming back
and later years, but it is a bit of a blow.
It is a window of opportunity that players are available.

(01:50:14):
So there are conversations going on now around the world
around maybe having a Commonwealth tournament or tournament with Commonwealth
countries in it to provide the opportunity for those hockey
players who typically would be at the Commonwealth Games to
have that same sort of competition, be it at a
sports specific tournament rather than a multi sporting event like

(01:50:35):
the Commonwealth Games.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
All right, we'll look forward to more progress there. In
the meantime, the Premier Hockey League. We'll let our listeners
know in a second where they can watch the action
across this weekend and beyond. Peter really appreciate you taking.

Speaker 7 (01:50:45):
The time to fill us in great one. Thank you
very much for the time.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
No, thank you for yours, Peter. Peter muskimm In their
former blackstick, a double Olympian and a driving force still
in the game of hockey around our country.

Speaker 6 (01:50:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
So the Premier Hockey League. We're into round three matches
today at at the National Hockey Stadium in Wellington fac
they're already underway the Falcons and l Piners. That's two
of the teams. There are games between the men's and
women's sides, and then tomorrow the Mavericks and the Tridents
at Blake Park and Todonga with games starting at one
o'clock tomorrow afternoon. All of the fixtures and other information

(01:51:19):
you want to find is on their website Premiere Hockey
League dot co, dot enz. Just updating you on some
domestic cricket. Round one in the women's Halliburton Johnston Shield.
This is the fifty over competition in Mountain Longing to
be Northern districts all out to forty seven. Auckland have
started their chase pretty well in the third over there
eighteen without loss. It's raining in Lungyorda where they've taken

(01:51:42):
an early lunch otago one hundred and eighteen for one
through twenty seven overs and a couple of balls there
before rain stop play, so it remains to be seen
whether they can get back out there and at the
base in reserve. The Central Hines having won the toss
and electing to bat one hundred and two for eight
against Wellington in the thirty third over, that match has

(01:52:03):
been shortened to forty three overs per side. What are
we twenty one away from three? When we come back,
we're going to talk some Australian rules football, our men's
and women's teams, the Falcons and the Caho taking part
in the AFL Pacific Cup in Australia and the week ahead.
Gonna find out more about that when we come back.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
Be eighteen away from three. OK, let's talk some Australian
rules football. The AFL Pacific Cup on in the week ahead,
starting tomorrow through till next weekend. It's being played at
the Maruchi Door Multi Sports Complex on Australia's Sunshine Coast. Now,
our men's team, the Falcons, and our first ever women's team,
the Caho are taking part in the AFL Pacific Cup.

(01:52:58):
New Zealand Falcons head coach is Chris Mandel, who joins
us now. Chris, thanks for taking the time. Tell us
a bit about the AFL Pacific Cup. What lies ahead
for you over the week or so ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:53:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:53:10):
So, the Pacific Cup is the first international carnival competition
with pals. In twenty seventeen, the former iteration was called
the International Cup, where countries from all over the world
about twenty four countries came to Melbourne and played with
the restrictions of COVID. We haven't been able to get
back into that system since then, and this is the

(01:53:30):
AFL's new regional model where for the first time the
nations from the Pacific will get together and compete and
runs alongside a Transatlantic Cup and a European Cup. Which
has also been how recently, so really exciting for us
to get back out into the international foray and to
get back and try and avenge our one point loss,
which is still stinging a number of our players.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Even seven years later. So does that mean that with
all with a slightly different format now, if you were
to win the Pacific Cup, will that feed you into
another competition that.

Speaker 30 (01:54:05):
Hasn't been out and yet? From the oursel, we would
obviously love to play as much national foot as we can.
We love getting across the pitch and exposing our local
players to the full, big, wide world of oursel. So yeah,
that would be our preference, but we haven't had that
out of land it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
How strong is the squad you've pulled together?

Speaker 6 (01:54:22):
Yeah, really good. We've got a really good mix of experience.

Speaker 30 (01:54:25):
As I say, we've got probably eight or nine players
who were in that twenty seventeen final and we've got
a real grudge to bear. And you add to that
a whole group of players who some of them may
not even been paying footy when we last played back then.
So a lot of youth and an experience. It's a
good mix. Afon's done a huge amount of work in
the development space and increasing our skills and capacity and

(01:54:47):
capability of our players. So we think we're going over
with a stronger team across the board than we have
probably ever put forward.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
What sort of build up have you managed to pull
together before you hit away, Chris, Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:54:59):
So a lot of our players are obviously rugby and
football converts. They played through their winter sports there. Our
local AFL compet Titians run from sort of September to December,
so that's the players last September December we're playing club footy.
That then elevated them into our ASL New Zealand Premiership,
which is essentially a bit of a franchise model. We

(01:55:19):
get the best players from around the country together. From
there we then pick our national squad who have been
training sort of in conjunction with both their other sports
and now the local club leagues for probably five or
six months, so it's spread out. You know, we've got
players based in Australia, christ us to need in Funaday,
Auckland or run the place, but we keep together with
the one of the technology and connect wherever we can

(01:55:41):
to try and ensure we're all the line.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
So who will be your stiffest opposition across this week.

Speaker 30 (01:55:47):
Look Papa New Guinea. They are the team that beat
us by a point back in twenty seventeen. We've only
ever beaten them once across sort of the last twenty
odd years. They are a really strong nation who have
a lot of their players playing both locally but also
in Australia. They've got a really strong base and will
be fierce competition and so we're both you know, we're
really looking forward to that challenge. That's what we're you know,

(01:56:08):
they're our team we're targeting across this competition. But that
that's not to say you know, the likes of Nauru,
where AFL is the national sport, Fiji, Tonga, those guys,
you know, we know what's those countries produced in terms
of athletes, and we're certainly going to be ready for them.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
Are you able to do any scouting of any sort
or are you really just concentrating on what you guys
are all about?

Speaker 6 (01:56:28):
Look a bit of both.

Speaker 30 (01:56:29):
So we try whereever we can to get an understanding
of our positions. But it is very tricky, you know,
not at this level, not many games a televised and
not many games are able to be seen. So wherever
we can, we've tried to get an understanding. We had,
you know, a network of people who know these countries
and know how they go, so we'd pull from that.
But as you say, our primary focus is on can
we achieve how we want to play? Can we get

(01:56:50):
our game plan to be more effective than theirs?

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
Essentially, how do you assess the strength of the sport
here in New Zealand at present?

Speaker 30 (01:56:58):
Look, I think you know, we took a real hammering
with COVID as a smaller sport.

Speaker 6 (01:57:03):
We were doing aphon EUGM. We're doing a huge amount
of work.

Speaker 30 (01:57:05):
Prior to COVID in the school space, we had a
primary school in a high school competition that was beginning
to create a pool of talent and a pool of
players that can start to develop further. So that really
set us back, and we've gone back with a little
bit and we are rebuilding and regetting our thousands that
school space. But what, as I said earlier, what's been
really positive is that the overall level of the players

(01:57:26):
who play the sport across the country has increased through
exposure through more games on TV, seeing more of these
superstars and getting down to the local clubs. So you know,
while we're rebuilding in terms of our player development base,
we are still working with that, you know, an interested
parties and a keen group of players to develop the skills.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
Yeah, you mentioned before that a lot of them come
from other codes. Can you see a time, Chris where
AFL becomes somebody's first choice?

Speaker 6 (01:57:53):
Yeah, we hope, So, you know, like that's certainly what
we want to try and work towards.

Speaker 30 (01:57:56):
We've always positioned the sport in this country as complementary
to those other sports as a way to improve fitness,
prove cross code skills. If you look at the likes
of rugby and league, is a lot of AFL skills
now being used with the cross keechs and the high
overhead marks, etc. So while we have traditionally positioned our
sounds as complementary to them, come and learn a new
sport to improve.

Speaker 6 (01:58:15):
Your skills for those sports.

Speaker 30 (01:58:16):
We'd certainly love to see a time where AFL is
New Zealand's first choice, and certainly in the female space
where the AFLW is a real tangible opportunity for our
athletes to get into. It's a little shorter runway than
it is for the men, and so that's a real
opportunity for us to target and say, looky, as a
young female athlete, come and get as at a primary
sport and you've got a pathway to play AFLUB and

(01:58:38):
be professional.

Speaker 20 (01:58:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
And also I guess I think that's right, isn't it.
This is the first time a women's team has taken
part in a competition of the sort. The car who
are going to be playing alongside the Falcons in this competition.

Speaker 30 (01:58:48):
Yeah, it's going to be very exciting. We've have afhonsenter
of works towards twenty twenty was our first initial attempt
to try and get a female team across, but COVID
put the kibosh on that. So they have been patiently
building and developing and recruiting more players and the game,
the female game over here has really grown in those
last four years. Going to be hugely exciting to see
our Carho girls take the field for the first time

(01:59:10):
in an international carnival and you know, really take it
to these other nations.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
I've just had a look at the weather forecast for
the weak ahead in terms of temperatures for the Sunshine
Coast Chris. Their high twenties, so your players will be
nice and warm.

Speaker 6 (01:59:23):
Yeah, Look, it's going to be something to think about.

Speaker 30 (01:59:24):
You know, a lot of our New Zealand based players
are coming out of a pretty damp and wet in
New Zealand winter yep, and you know it's going to
be a bit of a shock to get into those
high humored conditions. I mean, I look at the forecast
of the day, there's a lot of rain as forecasts
as well, So that tropical kind.

Speaker 6 (01:59:39):
Of environment is going to be something that's new to
our players. What does it mean to the suppery.

Speaker 30 (01:59:43):
Ball or does it mean to our hydration and our
recovery all those kinds of things. So, but that's all
part of the junior it's part of the excitement of
going on these kind of campaign.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
Yeah, and so good to have it back, as you say,
for the first time in seven years. Chris, all the
best for the week ahead and I hope it goes
brilliantly for you and also for the women's team as well.
We look forward to seeing the results coming through.

Speaker 6 (01:59:59):
Yeah, really appreciate it the time.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
Thanks mate, No, thank you, Chris. Chris Mandel there he's
the coach of our men's AFL team the Falcons. Our
women are called the Caho and both sides are heading
to Australia. I think they head off tomorrow the Marucci
Door Multi Sports Complex on Australia Sunshine Coast. Marucci Door
wonderful part of Australia, although I get the feeling it'll
be be more business rather than pleasure for the Falcons

(02:00:23):
and the car who will keep an eye on how
the results go over the next week or so. Bang
on ten to three News Talks.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
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Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
EDB seven to three. Just reminded tomorrow's show starts at
the earlier time of around eleven fifteen. The rugby kicks
off at ten past nine at Star Defrance. Elliott Smith
and Gregor Paul with the call. When the game's all over,
we'll have a quick chat to one or both of
those fine gentlemen and then they can go and do
their post batch and we'll take it over unpacking the game,

(02:00:59):
having a chat about it. I'm sure you'll have some
thoughts on whatever plays out. So yeah, we're on the
air from the earlier time tomorrow of around eleven point fifteen.
Also along with the rugby tomorrow, we'll get you inside
the All Whites camp with defender Michael Boxel and really
looking forward to catching up with Finn Butcher, who of
course provided us with one of the undoubted highlights of
the sporting year with his gold medal in the kayak

(02:01:22):
cross at the Paris Olympic Games. Finn Butcher just after
two o'clock tomorrow on the show. Tim Beverage is on
the radio after three. Thank you for listening in to
the show, for your calls and contributions. Thanks to Andy
McDonald for pulling the whole thing together, manning the phones
and making sure everything happened the way that we planned
that it would. What's our song for today? Make it all?
Went in to play are you the song today? Piney?

(02:01:44):
It's been all Coldplay all weekend. I've had the luck
of being able to hear the concert from my place
here in Auckland the whole time, and so I'm choosing
my favorite Coldplay song. It's Violet Hill, which they've spectacularly
failed to play. So if they're not going to do it,
I'm bloody well going to do it, aren't I?

Speaker 19 (02:02:02):
All right?

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
Our own little concert, Yeah, exactly, our own Coldplay concert.
Thanks my good choice. CIN tomorrow at eleven fifteen, folks.

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