Full Show Podcast: 17 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Pine
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Weekend Sport with Jason Pine, News Talk.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
ZEDB eleven thirteen. Welcome into an elong Gator edition of
Weekend Sport on News Talks here B, Jason Pine and
A McDonald here until three o'clock. Let's get you back
though to our lead commentator and RUGBYA to Elliot Smith
before he has to shoot off the post match Dunis
Elliott thirty twenty nine. Was this an opportunity lost for
your blacks?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Well, I'm gonna let Scott Robertson answer that with our host,
broadcaster Piney'll come et to you in a moment.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
As probably think you're our back fence as well as
we could. And they kicked all their goals. We've got
their got the smells we're talking about, got the tails up.

Speaker 6 (00:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (00:53):
I mean, first that was good though, right, you know,
you finding a way through that defats for west Max Connective.
They didn't know who's to heads in that first?

Speaker 5 (01:01):
Have you read some incredible rugby. I was really pleased
a lot of their efforts and energy, just accuracy to finish, uh,
just to creat and finish and you know we're able
to kick off and we couldn't get that right. But
I'm really paled, Like I'm really palled the way we played.
We're disappointed, as you can imagine. You know, we wanted
to go all the way this tour.

Speaker 7 (01:21):
Yeah, the second half, start of the second half, you
can kind of see that kind of shifting momentum, a.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
Bit of passd the hend we score their score and
then whoa and then the from our love.

Speaker 7 (01:31):
Yeah, exactly. Consistency in results and performance. There's something that
maybe you laughed a little bit in the Rugby Championship,
but two wins coming into this. How would you sum
up this tour so far when we want to go,
Oh you.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
Talking about a point anyone? Oh look at someone that
we're playing good fundy, the kids here, just a little
bit of discipline, a couple more rocks and we're talking
about a different story. Look, we've had a great tour.
It was it was just a little bit greater.

Speaker 6 (01:59):
But i'd like you today, Scott.

Speaker 7 (01:59):
I appreciate it, thank you all.

Speaker 8 (02:02):
I thought it.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, while I've got you here and I know you've
got to get away shortly. Yes, Scott Robinson talked about
you know, disappointed but proud, but mores I mean they
would have loved to have won the game. They could
have won the game.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
They could have won the game absolutely, and it was
just a couple of momentum shifts. And they once he'd
opened the door for the French, it was very hard
for the All Blacks to close it again. France got
their noses in front. They like playing from in front,
they can direct things. The crowd gets in behind them.
Here at Star to France as well, and that changed
the momentum of the game. And to be honest, you
All Blacks were the better team in the first spell

(02:38):
and maybe didn't have the rewards for it. They got
the French. The French scored laid in the first spell,
made it seventeen to ten, and then came out after
halftime and bang bang, and Bill Blacks, instead of directing
the game themselves, had to begin chasing it. They decided
to go up in threes. Maybe later on in the game,

(02:58):
perhaps took a three to many rather than trying to
force the issue and go for five or seven points.
But it was a game of momentum swings. Once your
Blacks lost the momentum, it felt like they were chasing
it and trying to reel it in.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Thank you here summary, Elliott, You've got places to be.
We'll look forward to your postmatch audio coming through. Elliot Smith,
our rugby editor and lead commentator, joining us from start
de France. Where if you're just joining us, this has
just happened.

Speaker 9 (03:24):
Jordan has to take the tackle. He's hold up with
the tack. Let's put me it needs to get the
knee to ground. Well, try swallow them up, set.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Uply it beyond got out for France.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Beyond goun senn for time.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
In France.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Do it again over the Lacks by one point thirty
twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
There you go, thirty points to twenty nine. On the
penultimate night of this All Blacks end of season two.
I'm Jason Pine eleven seventeen. Normally we wouldn't be on
the air until after midday. For those of you are
tuning in and expecting to hear this Sunday's session. We've
given Francesca the morning off, although she did cover Jack yesterday,

(04:11):
and I have given you the opportunity to straight away
give us your reaction to what you heard or saw
play out at de France this morning, and open the
lines immediately. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Your thoughts
are very welcome. You might want to get them done
nice and early. Normally, as I say, you'd have to
wait until after midday to have your say, not today.

(04:32):
We can take your calls immediately, Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. Anything that stood out to you, anything you
want to make mention of. We'll delve into this with
assistant coach Jason Holland when he becomes available. Also after midday,
Brad Shields, former England international, is set to join us.
We'll have a chat to him. But your thoughts are

(04:54):
the ones I'm really after. How do you assess it?
What stands out when you think back? And it's only
just finished, so while it's fresh in your mind, Hop
on the phone, Grant it's fresh in your mind? What's
standing out?

Speaker 10 (05:06):
Who?

Speaker 11 (05:07):
Boo who?

Speaker 12 (05:08):
That's what I will say first. But I think some
very hard questions need to be asked about whose decision was,
Whether it was the captain, was that the coach telling
the water boy kick it goal? Right from the end?
You know five minutes to go. I mean, how many
times in games this year have they actually turned down

(05:31):
with much more time to go, turned down penalties and
gone for the try five minutes to go, your five
points behind, Why didn't they go for the line? Okay,
they might not have scored from the line out, but surely,
in my opinion, they should have gone for the line out.
What do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, I think they were going up in threes, okay,
if you're talking about the very last one that they
were behind by thirty points to twenty six, got the
penalty with five and a half to go. Yet at
that point, Grant sort of I sort of side with
you and that we had a bit of momentum. We
were starting to you know, look at a French side
that was tiring. I guess if you kick it and

(06:12):
you're thirty twenty nine worth five minutes to go, you
know that any score in your favor, a penalty had
drop gold, whatever in the last five minutes gives you victory.
If it had been thirty twenty six and they'd gone
for the line mister, you know, and for whatever reason
not scored the try, then a four point gap is
a very different story from a one point gap. But
I get what you're saying. I do understand what.

Speaker 12 (06:31):
Yeah, yeah, I am talking just about that last kick.
And the thing is, okay, they kicked me over, but
with Fuga in five minutes ago, you got to get
back there. And so I do think that was an
incorrect technical decision. No guarantee they would have scored. But
you know, a coast loss is better than a big loss,
but I wish we would have won.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Well, there you go, exactly and exactly what Scott Robinson
just said as we heard his audio there as we
were chatting to Elliot Smith. You know, he said, we've
had a really good end of season two. We just
could have been just a much better and look a
win tonight. And I said this yesterday. We're looking now
at a at a record across the season of what's

(07:17):
that four losses? Now we had the loss to Argentina,
the two in South Africa and now this one against France.
So four from thirteen, which will we come four from
fourteen next week? All things being equal, if the All
Blacks win against Italy in Turin, it's you know, it's
only one defeat, but it makes a huge difference, doesn't
it you know, eleven and three, just you know when

(07:41):
you were, when you were four and three? Just sounds
so much better, doesn't it. You know the fact that
the All Blacks were in a position to win seven
straight tests from from the Australian to through Japan, England Island,
France and Italy. That now is not going to be
a reality. But how do you assess it? Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty Grant makes an interesting point

(08:02):
about about taking the points or or putting the foot
on the throat, and look, I don't know that there
is any right answer to that. Damien McKenzie came on
and what did he kick? Four penalties in the second half?
New Zealand and not able to get across the chalk.
I think the big turning point in the game was

(08:23):
the first French try after halftime, Sorry, the second one.
I'm sorry, my apologies, the second one. France scored a
try from a line out drive seventeen all and then
New Zealand's on attack and just an errand pass. If
the ball had gone to hand Will Jordan's off and
we all know how dangerously is and situations like that.

(08:45):
Instead the ball goes to ground, it's kicked ahead by
France and they sprint down the other end and score,
and all of a sudden, you know, it's one of
those where you know it's a fourteen point play. A
converted try for New Zealand turns into a converted try
for France, and instead of us being twenty four to
seventeen ahead, this twenty four to seventeen ahead. I thought

(09:09):
it was an interesting move to bring cam roy Gold
off after five minutes in the second half. I thought
he had a really good first half, played in a
way that was in contrast to last week. And it
was the Irish tactic, of course, but the way that
they monstered us in the collision areas last week, the

(09:31):
Irish I mean, and the way that that was tidied
up this time around, I think, largely through the robustness
of cam Roy Guard was really really interesting. I thought
he had a very good first half, scored the try
that little kind of strip slash in decept, scored a
try and then yeah, with five minutes gone in the
second half he was withdrawn. I thought that was early

(09:52):
for cam Roy Guard to go off. Oh eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty your thoughts are welcome nine two,
nine to two on text, lots on text. If you've
listened to the show for a while, you'll know that
the phones tend to get fairly busy when we regularly
start at midday. So if you want to make your
point now, it's a good chance to do it. At
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty eleven, twenty three here

(10:13):
at news talks HEB, we're back right after this.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
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Speaker 4 (10:25):
What is the PENSI Williams at the back for Jordan,
Jordan for Lackheid all their PENSI had of plot back into.

Speaker 9 (10:31):
The twenty two Ernie Savia to second Fields to Blancho three.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
First minute of the home back ver Peter Light's.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Been on the parts for six minutes. Makes your black
first try.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, that was Peter Larkeye's scoring after a run of
incredible proportions by Artie Savier. That's probably the wrong terminology.
I kind of run out of adjectives for Artie Savia,
just even at the end when he sprinted back and
out ran well most of his own teammates and all

(11:05):
of the French play in the seventy eight seventy ninth
minute chasing back to stop what would have been certainly
a red hot French opportunity. He's just unreal and the
way he bumped off three or four players there and
set it up for Peter Larkey early in the game.
You know, I know he was wearing the seven on

(11:27):
his back, but he didn't get the chance to play
on the open side, did he? Because with Summer Penny
female going off after what it was less than two
minutes into the game. We'll find out exactly what that was,
Artie Savier basically went to the to the back of
the scrum again and Setiti over to blindside and Larkeye
to open side. So we didn't actually get to see

(11:48):
Ardie Savier play in theory at open side flanker. But
what a performance from him. What an incredible player he
isn't just impossible to find too many superlatives really, Christopher,
we had a cheatia yesterday about some cricket. You've got
some thoughts on rugby today?

Speaker 13 (12:07):
Yes, yeah, just on that all Max games. I mean,
as you's already know I was he So I'm waiting
for tomorrow morning's game for us in Cardiff. Well that
was quite the game from both sides, wasn't it. I mean,
if I had to be on this, all Blacks easily
owns the French in the first half and then France

(12:31):
Lableau came back in the second and dominated for a bit.
But I got to say, like one of the other callers,
I can't remember who it was, but I did question
very heavily their decision to continue going for threes. I mean,
they had a few where I thought if they got
the line out right, they could have probably molded in
and maybe scored a try or two. So I was

(12:54):
questioning the last two penalties at the end, especially The
first two were understandable want to get within four, but
the second two, I mean, oh, rather than have a
have a crack at the French line and try to score,
and who knows, if they can't score, maybe they get
another penalty or something to just hammer that three in.

(13:16):
But yeah, I thought it was a good game, but
I questioned quite a lot of their penalty shots.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, look, I think that's going to be a major
talking point. Christopher and I look at the timeline here
and Mackenzie kicked a penalty in the sixty second minute
to make it twenty seven to twenty three, and I
think we probably both agree that. You know, with eighteen
minutes to go, yeah, you reduced the gap to four.
Then the last two were at twenty seven twenty three
ahead with twelve minutes to go. That brings it to

(13:45):
twenty seven twenty six. Then France kicked a penalty. I
think it's the one in the seventy fifth minute that
most people will talk about, and including you, where at
thirty twenty six, maybe it's then with five minutes to
go you say, right, let's get a foot on the
throat here, kick for the line, try and get a
rolling wall going and as certain dominance over what I
don't know what you thought, but I thought looked a

(14:06):
bit tired near the end.

Speaker 13 (14:09):
Yes, they definitely did look a little bit tired. I mean, yeah,
they just seemed like they've gone a little bit too
hard for that last for that first thirty minutes of
the second half, and tried to rip the All Blacks
like the game away from them, and in a way
had kind of succeeded. But didn't quite do it as

(14:30):
convincingly like they would have probably preferred to get it
to ten points or more. But yeah, that's the one
I'm really questioning. I mean, I was sitting there watching
it on TV and I was just thinking, Damian, what
are you doing? Like why are you kicking it? Why
are you kicking the pen like why ticket kick it

(14:50):
to five out and then do a line out like
come on?

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, And as you know Christopher, he wouldn't have made
the decision himself. He'd be told by Scott Barred or
whoever it was. I think on a radio commentary there
was even a suggestion that that call came from up
in the box that you know, the you know, because
you know obviously got calms down to the sideline and
whoever down on the sideline can get the message out
that they were they were, you know, saying hey take

(15:14):
the three, take the three and look if they've got
a penalty near the end and kicked at for thirty
two thirty would be having a different conversation, wouldn't me.
And now, while I've got you tomorrow morning, surely you'll
beat Wales. They're terrible low.

Speaker 13 (15:27):
Key, Yeah, I hope so. But I mean, as you know,
Wales has turned out to be Aussie's bogey team in
the last few years. I mean we're all thinking, oh, yep,
surely Wallaby's under Eddie Jones in the World Cup will
beat them, surely, and then they come out and bloody
floggers forty to six. So who knows. I mean, well,

(15:49):
he might beat them, But I mean Cardiff playing the
European teams. In Europe, anything can happen no matter how
good the team is. I mean we've seen it now.
I mean New Zealand lost to France. They've lost to
England and Ireland before in Europe. So yeah, anything can happen.
But I would back them to win considering Wales have

(16:10):
only won like one or two tests this entire year.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, no, they haven't been going very well. Look I
think most Kiwis will be on your side, Christopher. I
can say that I think with a degree of confidence.
Good to chat to you again, mate, Thanks for calling,
and enjoy the rest of your day.

Speaker 13 (16:25):
Yes he's too.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
And up the Aussies. I can't believe I'm saying it,
but up the Aussies. Good on your Christopher. Great to
chat to you again, mate, Andy, what your main takeaways
from this morning.

Speaker 14 (16:36):
I just wonder whether Will Jordan had a little injury
because normally he had back himself to be able to
score that try and he kicked it insteads and chase
the ball.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Ah, yes, near the end. Yeah I do, I do, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (16:48):
Yeah, you know, normally year but he would go for it.
But yeah, I think he might have been a bit tired.
But I'll tell you what, a half that needs to
be moved the ball a lot quicker than than Rafamar
was doing. I wasn't happy about the way he played.
I feel like he's he was a bit laborious in
the last game against Ireland and again in this one.
He's too slow. You know, we really missed that sort

(17:10):
of an Aaron Smith's sort of quickball out and gone.
But he's just he hangs on to it for a
half a second, which and a half a second too
long in my book, and he was warned, I don't
know how many times moved the ball, move the ball
and that led to a try and that was that.
So yeah, I'm with you. I'm not sure why they
brought off Royguard. I thought he was playing a fantastic game,

(17:30):
unless he was injured of course, but.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen anything too. Yeah, and you're right,
we need to check that before we make assumptions about it.
He may have picked up a knock. Yeah, it's it's
so interesting with Rattama Andy because when he first came
into the team and those that first I think it
was a second test against England up at even part,
his speed from the base of the rut was one

(17:52):
of the things that caught the eye and in fact
for the Chiefs as well. That's that's one of his strengths,
one of his superpowers. And so I don't know why
he's not doing it as quickly. I mean, obviously he
might not get as much time. I know, Ireland last
week really made it hard from France less so today.
But yeah, the speed from the base of the riker
is certainly a talking point.

Speaker 14 (18:13):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, And you know the way
the All Blacks paid play. We like fastball, you know,
that's our game plan. And the referee, boy, there's some
dubious decisis. And I'm not being you know, a sort
loser or anything, but you know, getting into the umpire
involved with a head rolling that wasn't a head rolling.
I mean, these are really major decisions. And I think
Jeff Wilson said it was a pivotal time of the

(18:33):
game when there were three points and yeah, I don't know,
I just I just wonder about those sorts of things.
But anyway, great game. I was in edge of a
seat the whole time. I was sair for they All Black.
So you know, at least no, there's no at least
we lost.

Speaker 15 (18:49):
Man.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, well, at least you've got the rest of the day. Mate,
at least you got the rest of the day. And
I'm not sure where you're calling from, but I hope
it's a nice day. You sound like you're out driving
heading to your next point of business, so I'll let
you go. I appreciate you calling in. Oh eight one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number, so I
just say that again. Andy. All right, thank you very much. Indeed,
I just got some colms from producer Andy. Twenty six

(19:11):
to mid day. We're going to take a break. When
we come back, we'll have assistant coach of the All Blacks,
Jason Holland on for a chat, news talks at Me
and an elongated weekend spot. Twenty three away from midday.
Let's get you back to Paris, where All Black's assistant
coach Jason Holland is standing by the chat to us, Jason,
thanks for taking our call thirty five minutes or so
after the final whistle. What's your initial assessment of the
eighty minutes?

Speaker 16 (19:33):
I think, Hey, Piney, Yeah, obviously obviously pretty gutted around,
not not quite getting the job done, but at the
same time, pretty proud of some of the effort the
boys put in, and you know, a couple of key
moments and things are different, so that's really disappointing. But
you know, we played some good footy at times and
some of the if it was something to be proud of.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
I think, what were the key moments for you that
had the biggest impact on the game.

Speaker 16 (20:00):
Oh, there was just a couple of things where we
didn't quite finish off you know, multi phase we had
three or four you know, three or four and five
and six phases and then we couldn't quite get over
the line and in seven points would have made a
lot of difference in that second half with you know,
spiller pass or not quite get delivery right or a
line out or those sort of little things. At the

(20:21):
back end of the game. Was it was massive? So yeah,
obviously the French came out after half time and really accurate,
scored a couple of tries and put us under pressure
and now their big moments and we couldn't quite do
it in Did.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Did you feel like you should have been ahead by
more at half time?

Speaker 17 (20:37):
Uh?

Speaker 16 (20:38):
Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah, we got those two tries in
the first half and quite easiest goored one more maybe
if we'd had it on to the ball a little
bit longer. So they in finish to the French, they
hang on, they hang in, and we ran them around
and we wanted to make sure they're type five had
to work really hard defensively and.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
We did.

Speaker 16 (21:00):
I think we put some really good phases that play
together and made them really go to the well around
getting up and defending and and they did it pretty well.
But yeah, one or two more little one more passed
a couple of times and hold onto the ball, one
or two more phases. But that's the game and that
it is.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
You were behind last week and the week before that
won both of those games. So did you have comfort
that even when France went ahead with what about half
an hour ago, you were still going to be okay
to get back in the game.

Speaker 16 (21:27):
Yeah, we got We've got a good, a pretty experienced
and smart leadership group out there. So even when we
went there and we shipped two tries and in the
second half, we knew the boys this went back to
what we knew and chipped away and knew that we
just had to be nice and accurate. So yeah, well
we've made some real strides around that with the leadership

(21:47):
and our understanding of how to win games. I think
obviously we couldn't quite get it done this week like
we have in the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Hindsight, it's always a wonderful thing, I know, But can
you talk us through the decision to take the three
points in the seventy fifth minute when you were four
points behind?

Speaker 16 (22:03):
Yeah, look, I think, yeah, it's a fifty fifty one,
isn't that. It's one where you just got to you
back the boys out there. I think the mindset was
we've been once we get positioned, we've been building pressure
and the French are infringing, So going within a penalty
to want it in the seventy ninth was the mindset
around around what we went to it's probably one have

(22:24):
a look at, but I think it's probably a fifty
to fifty and you back the boys on the field
to get a field for how they think they're going
to win the game.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
So that decision comes from the on field leadership team
that doesn't get sent down from the box.

Speaker 16 (22:37):
Well there's a couple of things that go down, but
sometimes you don't give things down in time, and sometimes
you just back the boys and I know Raises massive
on trusting trusting the boys out there. So last week
we took those points and probably won the game for us.
So it's a bit of a field thing from week
to week.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I think a lot of.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
People are asking about the decision to replace cam royguard
so early in the second half. Can you give us
the analysis on that?

Speaker 16 (23:04):
Oh look, she was a she was a quick game
out there and the Nines are covering some massive meters
and we know what quarters can give us. You come
can come on and speed the game up, and I
think of that little bit can was good and fifty
fifty or whatever it was, fifty two or fifty three
minutes and nine's a you know, a new nine as

(23:25):
a real freshener for the team, so you know that
was that's someone set there.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
It just seemed that there was a lot more robustness
at the at the base of the right compared to
last week, and it felt like Cameray Guard was really
providing that. Was that a specific work on this week
that you know, to be a bit more robust at
the collision and the base of the rug.

Speaker 16 (23:47):
I think that was across the across the board. We
knew that the French are going to be, you know,
the probably most physical team we play on this tour,
and the way we had to stop them around the breakdown,
we couldn't let them come through, and then when we
hit the board, we had to be a threat. And
you know, we know that Cam's you know, all three
of our nines can be nice and by some dynamic

(24:07):
and robust around there. So yeah, it was a big
part of the game, to be honest. The French took
us on around the breakway, around the ruck and crowded
a couple of tries from it.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
You monster their scrum, Do you feel like you should
have had more scrum penalties?

Speaker 16 (24:21):
Uh? Yeah, Look you're probably asking the wrong man here,
but the feeling I got was that that the other
Jason was would have been looking for a couple of penalties.
But yeah, it was good, it was It was awesome,
awesome stint from from the Type five there, especially in
the first half, and yeah, I think they were hanging
on by a thread, but fearless they got to down

(24:41):
a lot. But it would have been nice to play
for a couple of advantages that we think maybe we
should have had.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Peter, like I came on very early, very very early. Yeah,
you were a first Hurricanes coach. How have you assessed
her step up to test rugby.

Speaker 16 (24:54):
Oh, maybe we'd be interesting to watch the video. But
he looked like he smashed it out there somebody's care
and some of us working around the collisions against a
massive French pack. Was was impressive and sort of I
think a lot of people knew that Pete's going to
be a long time internationality player and he probably probably
showed that all the potential there, that's that's already there

(25:17):
and that he's nailing stuff. So but he had a
really good game and that'll stand to him his confidence
and you know, he can be really happy with what
he did.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I feel like I'm running out of egectis for Artie Savia,
even though he didn't actually play open side, how did
he treat his week with a with a different number
on his back, a different role to play.

Speaker 16 (25:36):
The boys that you know, they just get about a
different role and just the way they go. He's been
playing a bit like a seven and between Ardi being
the real mentor you know, for the boys at Simipenny,
for Wally, for Pete around him. He really thrives on
that and then making sure that you know, the four
of them plus the other boys don't get a run,
are really tight during the week and helping each other

(25:57):
understand exactly how they're going to play. So she's no
you know, water of ducks back for ours about whether
he's playing seven or eight. He just prepares to get
to the week right and help the boys around them.
So yeah, you're right with superlatives. He was created a
lot that he created the first try. Someone's carrying and
work around the breakdowns pronomenal.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
We saw Jordie Barrett leave the field in the first half.
Can you tell us what the issue was there?

Speaker 11 (26:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (26:22):
I haven't had the for sure, but I just know
he's hanging on and he's hoping there's nothing too much wrong.
It's his knee, the other the other knee that he
his other knees. So hopefully that's only a short short
term a couple of weeks. But you know, we'll know
about that when we get scans in that tomorrow. But yeah,
he's a little bit sore today so this evening, so
we'll see how we go, all.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Right, And just to finish a lot of players have
had big workloads these last three weekends. I think ten
players have started all three of these three big test matches.
Lots of others have had three test weeks in a row.
Are we likely to see a few other players get
opportunities next week in Durant?

Speaker 16 (26:57):
I think I think we'll put the best team for Italy.
But you've sort of you've sort of touched on something
that maybe we've considered that it's been a massive three
week weeks and it worked hard during the three weeks
and like everybody is, but we've just got to figure
out exactly what the best team and wherever runs at
to make sure that, you know, make sure that we

(27:17):
can play really well against Italy because we'll need to
put them away. So yeah, it's'll see what happens Sunday
and Monday, probably to see where everybody's at. But you're right,
people have had a big workload and there's definitely going
to be that it need to be a bit of
a freshen up in a couple of spots.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Safe travels Jase, thanks for joining us as always, Thanks Poidie,
thanks mate, all the best man. That's Jason Holland, assistant
coach of the All Blacks, joining us with his thoughts
and some interesting ones there too. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty we're going to kep the lines open. We'
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Speaker 18 (28:06):
How.

Speaker 19 (28:07):
Good point He.

Speaker 20 (28:10):
Asked all the questions that are pot to ask the
coach and I still just only just the first half
on the radio then I was not going to give
it to I still even the commentated was saying about
we should have had probably eged another three scrump in
articular that they put the monster scrum and also that

(28:37):
four minutes before half time while we propped to make
a goal, and why not go for the line out
and try to get a seven point?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, that I was listening as well, David. I I
kind of synced it up to the television. I always
enjoy listening to Elliott and Gregor, in particular, who knows
a lot and knows a lot about scrums and scrump penalty.
So you were probably hearing the same thing I was,
and I could see it on the screen as well.
We were just monstering them every time some mighty Williams
had a mighty game in the front row, you know.

(29:06):
And yeah, I just don't know that we got as much.
And I never want to blame referees and it's not
the reason the game ended the way it did with
a one point defeat, But yeah, I reckon he. I
just think he didn't want to give a scrim at
every penalty. But if that's if that's what's happening, then
you've got to do it.

Speaker 20 (29:24):
Yeah, I also like to think done. I think we
might have been.

Speaker 21 (29:28):
Out coached as well.

Speaker 20 (29:29):
It would be feared, especially with their replacements from that.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, you mean in terms of when we put the
subs on that sort of thing.

Speaker 20 (29:39):
Yeah, yeah, I thought, Yeah, I thought, you know, from
what I actually get and from what I hear, boy
come up wait too early and in the first half
completely outplayed, and that one house back in the world
I put on, hell of them step it by him?

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Yeah, I thought it was I thought when I when
I saw that happen, which and I made a note
of it. It was at the fifty minute mark. So
when roy guard came off, we're thirty minutes to go.
I thought that was a very odd decision. And we
just heard Jason Holland's rationale for it. They thought they
got more free, would get more freshness out of courtes
lout to mate and look they you know, they live

(30:21):
and die by their decisions as far as the scoreboard's concerned.
And and you know, maybe they'll reflect back on that,
like they willed the decision to take the points near
the end rather than kick for the line, and they'll
examine those decisions and say, okay, well, what can we learn?
Did we do the right thing? You just tack the
chance by good on you, David. Good to chat you Mat,
thanks for holding on Drive Safe ten to twelve new
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Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah, I try by cam roy Guard. There's yeah. I
think that's one of the two major talking points out
of this game. And Jason Holland answered both the questions.
We'll play those those responses again after midday. Taking cam
Royguard off so early and taking the points near the
end when perhaps the time on the clock and the

(31:29):
score on the board, you know, I mean, jeepess hindsight's
a wonderful thing. The penalty and the seventy fifth minute
which brought it back to thirty twenty nine, and as
Jason Holland said, then you're basically one point short with
you know, if you get to the seventy ninth minute
and you can apply pressure and force a penalty, then

(31:50):
you know you're in a position to kick a winning goal.
If you're four points behind. You're not in that position,
so yeah, I think you know, we we can debate
and discuss that after midday, which we certainly will. Let's
get a few texts away before we hit the news.
Entertaining game, Piney says, Hellen have to say the French
were the better sight. We couldn't stop what we knew

(32:10):
was coming. Bear in mind there are a few young
players in that French team as well. Thanks Ellen, Pinty.
Over the three games, probably a fair result having won
two of the three a thickness of the post save
the All Blacks against England and today they lost by
a tiny margin. It just shows there's not too much
between the top teams in the world. Correct. Why was
Royguard taking off? I don't understand that at all. Nothing

(32:31):
against Routema, but it was a bit early. Yeah, I
tend to agree. I just thought he was so good
in the first half in addressing something which was a
big issue last week. I think back to last week
when in the first half in particular, Ireland was so
vigorous in the first half at trying to disrupt New
Zealand's ball at the base of the right, the way

(32:53):
they hit the collisions, the way, they went right up
to the line into the letter of the law, coming
around and really putting pressure on Cortes Routima as he
tried to clear the ball. Cam Roy Guard didn't seem
to have any issues with that. Today he's a bit
more he's a bit more of a robust guy, but
more physical, but bigger physically, but it's always been a

(33:14):
strength of his but it doesn't seem to have any trouble.
Also when he's not under pressure, clearing quickly from the base,
it seems as though that's a hallmark of Courtiz Relautima.
It's been talked about all year that he is as
close to Aaron Smith as anybody in New Zealand in
that regard, in the opinion of a lot of people.

(33:35):
But today there was just I don't know, maybe the
smoothness from his past wasn't quite there for whatever reason,
and he didn't go on with half an hour ago,
you know, with any other intent than clearing quickly from
the base. Just for whatever reason didn't happen for Courtiz
re Utimate today and it brings into sharp focus why

(33:56):
Cameron Guard was taken off. Anyway, that's one of the
one of the talking points. The other one is the
is the points at the end. And again Jason Holland
addressed that, as I say, Stevens is pinty, the decision
it made in the last fifteen minutes to kick the
goal probably reflected a lack of belief in our lineout.
It's been niggling away in the background for a while now.
See I'm not sure I subscribed to that necessarily, Stephen,

(34:19):
because last week I don't think we we lost one
line out, didn't we We lost one line out, which
was that one that wasn't thrown in straight when the
Irish didn't contest. I'm just bringing up the stats here.
Today we lost one line out today one just the

(34:39):
one again, So across two Test matches we've lost one
line out, So I don't subscribe to that. We won
ten today. So yeah, I'm not sure that that was
the reason. I'm almost positive the reason was exactly what
Jason Holland said that they thought to themselves, if we

(35:01):
can get within one point with four or five minutes
on the clock, get down that end again, create some pressure,
then any score wins us the game. In hindsight, would
they have done it differently? Probably because they lost today,
but they wouldn't at the time. I think it was
a I think it was a decision based on some

(35:22):
fairly sound logic. Yes, it was late in the game. Yes,
at some point you have to say to yourself, okay,
we're where this far on in the game now that
we have to start thinking about, you know, going for fives. Anyway,
News at midday then we're back with Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 4 (36:10):
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The off match by one point thirty twenty nine pair.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Big focus for the next couple of hours or so
on the All Blacks France test. Former England international and
Hurricanes captain Brad Shields along shortly with his analysis, will
have some postmatch thoughts from inside the All Blacks camp
as well. They're currently going through their post match media.
Elliott Smith is feverishly beavering away and the bowels of

(36:57):
Star de France. No doubt he'll send that audio back
to us. We'll get some postmatch thoughts. We've already heard
from Jason Hollins before midday. He made a couple of
interesting points to a couple of the I guess the
big talking points from this game for me anyway, the
decision to replace Cam roy Gard so early in the
second half and the decision to kick for goal with

(37:19):
five minutes to go and a four point deficit. You'll
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Speaker 3 (38:50):
MB ten past midday. So All Blacks twenty nine France
thirty look a good Test match. I think if you
were a neutral it was a good Test match, but
one I think that the All Blacks will say perhaps
got away from them. Some of the postmatch thoughts with
her of Artie Savia and Scott Robertson, and we'll hear
more as well. And I look at some of the

(39:10):
phrases they used. Artie Savier talked about some silly mistakes,
some turnovers, needing to put the nail in the coffin,
you know. Similarly, Scott Robinson says we didn't get off
our back fence well enough, disappointed but proud we're playing
good footy. But I just wish we could have won
that one. That's what Scott Robertson said in the postmatch afterwards.

(39:31):
More from him to come.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
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Into the twenty two Ernie Sarvia cut second film.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
First minute that black rover Peter Light.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Been on the parts for six minutes. That's your black
first right.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Here, Peter Luck. I had to come on in the
second minute after some of Penny Female was forced off,
got a try off the run of a or off
the back of a barn storming run from Artie Savier.
End of the day though, France thirty All Blacks twenty nine,
Let's bring in former England international hugely experienced hurricanes and
Wellington loose forward Brad Shields. Brad, thanks for joining us, mate,

(40:11):
France thirty All Blacks twenty nine. What was your overall
assessment of what you saw from the All Blacks this morning?

Speaker 22 (40:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (40:18):
Thanks having me Piney and I suppose it's good afternoon
after mid David, Yeah, I was a bloody good test match,
I thought, and I don't think people definitely predicted the
way the game was going to go, but I just think,
you know, all Blacks sort of just maybe let themselves
down a couple of times, just with finishing off and
if they've got a couple of things finished then it

(40:39):
could have been a completely different story tonight.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Absolutely, So I mean when you go to analyze things
like that, I mean, mistakes are going to happen and
pressure moments, aren't they. It's there's nothing they could have
done differently apart from me, you say, maybe held onto
the ball. But mistakes happened, don't they. And I appreciate situations.

Speaker 23 (40:56):
That's exactly it. And I guess the difference when you
make a mistake is France toppled on that, you know,
like the next sort of one mistake from All Blacks
and then the year the France ended up scoring try
as you know, the worst possible outcome for a mistake,
and sometimes that's the way it goes. And you know
that sometimes steez, they don't go away. And unfortunately tonight

(41:18):
that didn't happen for the All Blacks. But like I said,
a huge Test match and obviously being very biased, you
played a little clip there from Peter Larky scoring and
try and you know I was jumping out of my
seat for him. It was a massive occasion for him
in his family. So it's cool to see him go
on early.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, I've written down his name to ask you about
you've obviously had an up close view of his development
at super rugby level. What what have you made of
Peter like I from you know, from playing alongside him
and watching him develop.

Speaker 23 (41:45):
Yeah, I guess for me, he's just a guy that
just rolls his fleece up and does his work. And
he's got a bit of expector as well. And like
you said tonight, like he's obviously scored a try for me,
but he didn't didn't necessarily do anything you know, explosive
or I mean so not explosive like xpect the sort
of thing tonight. But he did his job really well.
And you notice when you got the ball and carry
like the leg driving to fight for another extra few meters,

(42:08):
and some of his work off the ball, like I
don't know, it's got watch certain players off the ball,
but if you watch the way he works around the
sead like he's just a relentless work create and that's
exactly what you saw in the Hurricanes. And you know
when he played for Wellington as well, like his ability
to be where the ball is and how he scored
his try is if you watch him off the ball,
he's just really married to go.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
I guess there's a spot opening up in the seven
jumper for the All Blacks. We know Sam Kaines leaving Artie. Look,
he could play there obviously and started with a seven
on his back tonight, but might be number eight. Do
you think Peter like I might have his his nose
in front even from this performance, to perhaps get a
crack at at wearing seven and the first few test
matches of next year.

Speaker 23 (42:47):
Oh, you'd like to think so, and I guess. And
the biggest test of him obviously, you know, playing for
All Blacks is huge, but I do think for his
future development, the biggest test for him, which we back
up another good Super Rugby season with a with a
with another good season. And that's where you notice I
reckon players her accelerate as they have back to be
seasons that are real positive because it's quite I'm not

(43:09):
saying it's easy, but you know, he's relatively fresh, relatively young,
playing really good rugby. When teams start to figure out
how they play and who's a big threat in the team,
you know they'll start to target players up Pete so
to for him to accelerate, I reckon his career it
will be the Super Rugby season will be the difference
from him to keep a shot at AB's as well.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah, looking forward to that, I want to ask you,
you've captained sides the decision right near the end, on
in the seventy fifth minute, at four points down to
take the shot at goal to close it up to
thirty twenty nine. When you're a captain in a situation
like that where you've got an option you can take
the points, you can kick for the line and maybe
try and get the seven pointer, what sort of things
factor into your decision making at a time like that.

Speaker 23 (43:52):
Well, I guess you straight away to think about where
the game's gone and how the game's gone. And if
you think about the All Blacks attacking their line, like
they struggle to score points and in terms of they
get really really close and then they'd get turned over
or a pen or something like that, Like I think
with the neck roll against it might have been against

(44:13):
All Blacks maybe, But there's just certain things that you
think about throughout the game and you get to that
point you're like, well, what are we going to do.
We're going to back ourselves to get back down here.
They look dominant, like All Blacks look like they're on
the front foot, so you know, you've still got a
chunk of time on the game list. But unfortunately, I
think you said before Raser said, you know, had to
get off their back fence, and they struggled to get
out of their twenty two in the deck end of
the game. So decisions always get screw on outcome. And

(44:37):
you know, whether they should have taken it or not,
I'm not I'm not really sure. I was them on
the field, so they obviously had a good discussion before it.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Yeah, Well, as you say, decisions get screwedinized on outcome.
That's such a good phrase. I'm going to write that
down and use that and the years the years ahead
shield O, good one. What about the decision then to
withdraw cam rouyguard five minutes or sorry, ten minutes into
the second half? What did you make of that?

Speaker 23 (45:00):
Yeah, again, obviously pretty bass. I would have loved to
see Keim go for another you know, ten minutes at least,
I think he was in control of the game. And uh,
and obviously it's unfortunate for Atima because you know, a
couple of calls didn't go his way when he got
on the field, Like there was the five second watches,
but sometimes a little bit unfortunate. But you know, the
referee was pretty clear and that push your team under

(45:22):
a little bit of pressure. But you know, he's a
great player as well, and he's got a huge spark
and brings a lot of energy into the game. So
again it's the same thing. You know, like you bring
guys on for impact, and for the last few weeks
that All Blacks have been in a really good position
and the guys on the bench have finished the game
for them really strong. You know, sometimes a few things

(45:43):
go against you and I yeah, I mean, like I said,
I would have loved came to have a few more minutes,
but obviously the coach seats I think, but Findon wants
to make that change, and corties as a good player,
so you're going to put those guys on, so then
they're going to fish job.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
How did you assist the All Black scrum tonight?

Speaker 23 (46:02):
I thought they were a bit unlucky a couple of times.
Obviously early on they got a penalty against them. Wasn't
probably as forceful as it has been maybe, but at
the same time, it looked like the ref was just
trying to let the game go a little bit. And
there was that one I think towards the back end
of the game where they've got a decent shun to
on it went down to ground and he just wanted
them to play it. So yeah, but a bit of

(46:24):
a mixed bag, I think, And usually with your set
piece if you're real dominant, like towards the back end
of a couple of games, like I said, those three
front rollers, come on, they changed the game through scrum
against England, and I think they're just just a little
bit off, but not to say it wasn't a good weapon,
but didn't get it utilized as much as maybe they
would have liked.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
All right, And yesterday we were talking about these three
big test matches England, Island, France and I think going North,
a lot of people said, okay, win two out of
the three and that's a pretty good outcome. The All
Blacks have won two out of three. But do you
think they'll they'll consider today was an opportunity lost to
you know, to Grand Slam the Northern Tour.

Speaker 23 (47:03):
I definitely think so. And like I said earlier, they
definitely had opportunities and they looked like they were a
dominant team France just found a way to hang in
there in a couple of you know, brilliant plays keep
them in the game, and obviously the boot as well,
keeping them those those few penalty kicks ahead put pressure
on the All Blacks in terms of scoreboard. But you know,
the All Blacks will be gutted because they definitely put

(47:25):
themselves in a position to win the game. And in France,
you know, you saw the pre match and the crowd
thing in the national anthem, the theatrics for the French
rugby like it's just an incredible spectacle to be involved in.
And I think they'll be gutted, but they al still
be proud of their effort and they've got to, you know,
get back on the horse pretty quickly. I'm not saying
it leads an easy game. They certainly have to roll

(47:45):
their sleeves up and I'm sure they'll make a few
changes and bars opportunity.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
I know your family's vying for your attention, Brad. I
appreciate you taking some time on your Saturday afternoon.

Speaker 8 (47:54):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Thanks thanks for joining us.

Speaker 23 (47:57):
No, it's all good. Thanks having me finally appreciating mate, all.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
The best mates years. That's Bradshields, England International Hurricanes captain
and a pretty astute rugby observer. Your thoughts now keen
to hear you know what you made of it?

Speaker 24 (48:09):
All?

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. There's a couple
of things I'd like to for you to pick up on,
if you so choose. I just want to get your
views on a couple of things. And that's a great
phrase by Brad Shields. By the way, decisions are scrutinized
on outcome, so it's easy to say, right, they made
that decision, and here's what happened. They took the three

(48:29):
points in the seventy fifth minute to square it up
to thirty twenty nine, but then we'ren't able to get
back down that end again and put pressure on to
earn what would have been another scoring opportunity. That decision
scrutinized on outcome. Same with camera regard. I still don't
really understand why he was withdrawn when he was unless

(48:50):
there was an injury and we haven't heard that confirmed. Yen,
And looking forward to hearing the postmatch audio from Scott
Robertson because I'm sure the question will be asked. I
I was not mystified. I was curious about the decision
with half an hour still to go, why they took

(49:13):
Royguard off. I thought he's having a good game. Got
that try that, you know, that's an X fact to
try that almost like an intercept slash strip of the
ball and then sprints away twenty meters to score. You know,
it's an X fact to try. It's only one part
of it though he was. He was very physical Cam
roy Guard. He had them guessing, you know, his ability

(49:33):
to snipe and yes, I know my Hurricanes bias is
coming through here, but just you don't know when you're
defending the All Blacks at ruck time if Cam Royguard's
going to pick and go himself or not. Because he
does it so often that you've always got to be
a little bit in two minds. Okay, is he passing
as he's going? I just think he offers a lot

(49:55):
and could have offered more in minutes sort of fifty
three to sixty five. Again, hindsight's a wonderful thing, but
decisions are scrutinized on outcome. I'm going to use that
phrase so often now, Jason, Hi, mate, Yeah.

Speaker 25 (50:11):
That's a bit I was going to one of my
four points and make them quick. If you look at
what were they wouldn't have done that if Aaron Smith
was playing, and he's our closest at least they've sold
the question of who's our next Aaron Smith and you
just mentioned him can Roygate all day long. They wouldn't
have taken Aaron Smith off with the game so perishly
positioned as it was. You know, I'm just no doubt
about that. So that was the only bit that I

(50:32):
was disappointed, because I tell you what, mate, this was
less about not getting the w more about the performance.
And we talked about this yesterday and I think some
of your callers did. I was mightily proud of those guys.
They took physicality to a level that I don't think
they were capable of at this stage of their development.
They were so over the fringe. It was only the

(50:54):
crowd that was their oxygen mask. They absolutely blew their
lights out in the first half, and Tony Johnson said
a real key thing about eight minutes with all this dominance,
I just hope the All Blacks won't regret that they
haven't put a few more points on because there was
two key moments with nine minutes to go, when we're
both under their sticks and we got turnover penalties against us.

(51:14):
We score three or five or seven, and one of
those two French don't come back. They go under the
break deflated because they were out on their feet.

Speaker 18 (51:23):
Piney.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Yeah, no, we should have been a head by more.
We should have been Yeah, we should have been a
head by more at halftime.

Speaker 25 (51:28):
Totally, and look I've got nothing and the big question
you raised before, of course it was the right decision
for four and a half minutes to take three. They
were certain three points and we would back ourselves nine
times out of ten to go up, get a regain
off the cack or whatever. French make a mistake, we're
under their post again, we get a penalty.

Speaker 26 (51:45):
Game over.

Speaker 25 (51:46):
So I have no question that that was absolutely the
right thing to do with that amount of time left.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Okay? Was that all four points? Have you got a
couple more to make?

Speaker 26 (51:56):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (51:57):
I go in there?

Speaker 25 (51:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, the last one of course, the last one.
How do you write there, Scott Robinson? I give them
just because of that performance, and I didn't see Island.
The performance against Island last week. Apparently that was impressive too.
I think they go to the you know, they go
to the beach this summer because you know, next week's
foregone conclusion contended to what we can look forward to
for next season. I think he's got something special under

(52:18):
him here.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Good Man Josey, I agree. I agree. I think I
think the improvement and the All Blacks over the year
has been very encouraging, very encouraging. Text here, perfect result.
This will keep the All Blacks hungry over summer, the
little rock under the beach down. Yeah, I think I
think that's right. They'll look back at this as an
opportunity lost. They will ian high.

Speaker 27 (52:39):
Hi, Bonnie, I bring you a couple of weeks ago
about you know, when the York Blicks ended up beating
England and Steve Borthwooks and his coaching side your team,
you know, taking their playmaker off. I've got no doubt
that England will have won the game. They just you know,

(53:02):
the whole game just change changed in complexion, as it
did this morning with the Orblitz when they took cam
Oyd get off. In my opinion, I don't know whose
decision it is, but I think it was just a
crazy decision and why, just like it was in the
England match.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, that was the old George Ford, bye, wasn't it
When they brought George Ford on at that was and
replaced was that Marcus Smith who was playing at first five,
wasn't he? Yeah, And look we talked a lot about that.
I remember your calling and I remember, yeah, And George
Ford had a pretty unhappy sort of a time of
things out there. He missed a tackle or two, he

(53:43):
missed a couple of shots at goal. Yeah. I don't
know whether this is akin to that, but I found
it a curious decision.

Speaker 27 (53:51):
Yeah, it seems to me it could well be. I mean,
what was it fifty three or fifty four minutes or
some such thing.

Speaker 21 (53:57):
Yeah, that they dragged.

Speaker 27 (54:02):
Cam roy gat and he was having him, you know,
in my opinion, pretty good game and all that sort
of thing. And you could see that after that the
whole game changed complexion, just like the England that stood.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Yeah, I know, no, no, this yeah, this and this
was the opposite. This was the the inverse. I guess
you say that. You know, it's a very good point
you make. Again, we can we can scrutinize it now
having seen the outcome. And look again it'll be it'll
be a question. I'm sure the All Blacks coaching staff
will ask themselves, did we make the right decision there?
Yet no one makes a decision expecting it to be

(54:41):
the wrong one, you know, any in any part of
our lives. We all make decisions every single day, every
single hour. We make decisions, probably and we never expect
them to be the wrong ones. But we live and
die by their outcomes, don't we Ian Good to chat
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Speaker 28 (56:19):
Mate, Poney Piney Poney A few points, Bro. Firstly, a
couple of things you're talking about. We're from the same town,
Bro and cam Roy Gud should not have been hopped,
you know. He's he's a worldier fellow and he was
having a worldy Here's a hot take for your poney.

(56:41):
If he stays healthy in ten years time, he'll be
our greatest e a halfback.

Speaker 29 (56:45):
Wow, he's the full package.

Speaker 28 (56:47):
Here's the full package. And you know last season, this
season the canesman once. Once they lost him, they weren't
the same team. And he's just physical, got a good pass.
He's just like those bloody legally forwards around the Rocks.

Speaker 30 (57:02):
He deals with them.

Speaker 28 (57:03):
His defense has left boot is our James Low. You
know those are his clearance from the base, Ain't I
ain't see anything like him, piny, that's my call.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
No, just before you go on to parda Humma, I
think you're right because I can't remember a player with
so little All Blacks experience having so much clamor around
about his return as Cam roy guards had this year.
You know, when he when he suffered that knee injury
in Super Rugby and had that six month ree hab,
there was just this Ween's cam back, when's cam back

(57:33):
Wen's cap. He's only played about five Test matches at
this point. You know he is a generational talent. I believe,
I believe you're right.

Speaker 28 (57:41):
Yeah, in case twenty twenty five of his face fit
the penalty is a hard one. A that I'm talking
about that seventy fourth, seventy fifth minute one. Personally, you know,
let's give credit to the French d once they sorted
it out, once they started tackling Ardie, they were pretty
impressive and we weren't getting through. So I get the

(58:03):
mentality to take the But did we look like going ninety.

Speaker 11 (58:09):
In that last few minutes.

Speaker 25 (58:10):
No, we did not.

Speaker 22 (58:12):
And the.

Speaker 29 (58:15):
Kicking to the corner, taking a scrum whatever we needed.

Speaker 28 (58:19):
We needed five to get ahead, right, so that was
our time. I don't think we were getting like we're
sitting there on the couch. Of course we're not gas
and we can do some deces analysis of how the
game has been going. So you're back to the guys.
But I think Raiser said on the telly that they're
gonna have to talk about it, so I think he
thinks it was probably the wrong call. Another thing, our

(58:41):
last thing, actually give the other punches a go. The
spotlight hucker is the greatest pre match. Last week in Ireland,
they had some old quod or doing handshakes before the game.
The spotlight haucker, the blue lights in the background. That
was amazing and the French crowd was so quiet. Now
that was cool, bro, I think, which maybe we should
steal that and bring that cinger jelland.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
I reckon dear a great diet it as always, thanks
for calling, and yeah, I thought the pre match was incredible.
The way that France, the French crowd sang the anthem too,
my god, spine tingling stuff. Yeah, and the respect for
the hucker, I thought was really impressive and a great
game to I've had it pointed out by a number
of people that this was a great game of rugby,
one of the better rugby tests we've had the opportunity

(59:24):
to watch this year. If you don't have any skin
in the game, you think that was a remarkable game
of rugby. So we're just a bit annoyed because the
All Blacks couldn't win it, but it was a terrific
game of rugby. Nigel, thanks for holding how are you?

Speaker 15 (59:37):
Yeah, good afternoon, the young Jayson. Yeah, the national anthem,
you know, because ours was sung first day and it
was just one guy singing out what not and then
when the French got into these, I thought it was
a choir singing.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
It was the whole crowd a choir in the shape
of a crowd noiser.

Speaker 15 (59:55):
It was incredible, Yeah it was, but yeah it was. Yeah.
I knew there'll be hometown support, there'll be All Black
supporters there, but that there'd be outnumbered by the French
supporters doesn't surprise me. And hey, is that the best
all Black game you've seen in twenty twenty four or Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
That's a very good question, Nigel. I was actually thinking
that same thing today before we came on the air.
I'm looking back and thinking of the impressive performances by
the All Blacks and I think, were you asking me
if that's the best All Blacks performance or is that
the best Test match involving the All Blacks of the year.

Speaker 15 (01:00:36):
You're the best All Black game you've seen this year?

Speaker 30 (01:00:39):
I think it is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I think it is. Is it yours?

Speaker 15 (01:00:41):
Yep? Better than the game against England or Ireland?

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I agree. I think I think both of the previous
two test matches were good test matches. I think Ireland
weren't great in the last twenty minutes last week, so
that kind of almost detracted a bit from the spectacle
of the game. I guess if you weren't an All
Blacks fan, if you're a neutral Nige or you look
at the game and say, really good test match, one
point win, didn't really know who was going to win,
lead changes here and there, a bit of you know,
a bit of controversy. It was a terrific occasion. Yeah,

(01:01:11):
I think it was. It was a really good test match,
very good.

Speaker 15 (01:01:15):
And that young fella, that schoolboy at Riddens Up come
over from Ozzie. How old do you reckon he is?

Speaker 26 (01:01:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
He's good, Nigel, but he puts a lot of our
older callers to shame. Not you made, of course, but
he puts a lot of He puts a lot of
our other listeners in the shade yea Christopher. I don't
know how old he is, but he is a welcome
addition to the show, that's for sure.

Speaker 15 (01:01:40):
He knows what he's talking about, doesn't he.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
We maybe a few of us can learn from it.
Nigel again, not you mate, You've made some very good points.
Thanks for calling in. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty steady on with the Wellington claim of ownership on
cam Royguard says Stephen. They're putting a lynch mob together
in Woyuku at this very moment. Thank you very much, Stephen. Yeah,
like I'll claim I'll claim Cam Royguard all day long.

(01:02:04):
I know he's not a Wellington boys from the White
Couple originally isn't the place for counties, but yeah, I'll
claim him was a Wellingtonian. Markhi.

Speaker 11 (01:02:14):
Yeah, once a hurricane is a hurricane, absolutely right, even
is a hurricane, don't we I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Wonder whether that ship might of south But you know
what you say.

Speaker 11 (01:02:26):
Yeah, I thought cam Rougan played better than the best
player in the world today in the first half.

Speaker 18 (01:02:30):
I thought he was outstanding.

Speaker 11 (01:02:32):
It was probably one of the highlights.

Speaker 18 (01:02:33):
I thought.

Speaker 11 (01:02:33):
Arlie looked fantastic, went on the wing with his deft feet.
He just didn't look out of place here. He looks
a lot better than some of the hokers. Cody Taylor
when he.

Speaker 18 (01:02:44):
Thought he was outstanding in the first half, Peter Ye
was like, I was good. I think the negatives. For me,
it's stupid rule that the enforced in the last two
or three weeks with the kick up an under. But
to me, the rough side, I mean the whole game,
the French are off side and then stifles it stifles

(01:03:04):
the stone and that's all these sort of sideline rest
and video rest interfere with these bizarre calls, and yet
they don't. They don't keep the sides back, and I
mean they're up inside the background before they eat the
balls rides and then it's just they didn't ping it
until the second half where they gave three off sides
in a row. But I thought they'd just spend the

(01:03:26):
whole game off side from these things.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Yeah, they were penalized more than us. I think it's
thirteen nineers to count. The point you make mark about
that that rule that they seem to be enforcing about.
So when there's a kickchase and players are supposedly obstructing
or impeding the chases as the ball comes down to
be caught by the players, So Cody Taylor got penalized

(01:03:50):
for it today, what is what is Cody Taylor supposed
to do in that situation?

Speaker 11 (01:03:56):
I think I think they want.

Speaker 18 (01:03:57):
All the players to run off to the sideline and
just went to the balls. It's just things go out.

Speaker 31 (01:04:07):
To referees, obviously from up high, and then the referees
just feel like they have to enforce them and it
becomes I think Tony Johnson said it was absurd and
I just still vents in circle and that that costs
the all blacks, you know, three points on that and
a lot of pressure that could have resulted in a try.

Speaker 18 (01:04:24):
And I mean those sting I mean I think.

Speaker 11 (01:04:28):
Have done that.

Speaker 18 (01:04:29):
But for me, that then off side. I'd love to
see a ruler across the field and see how many
times these sides are actually offside because it is stifling
the game.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Really yeah that No, it's making it hard for space
to be found in the back line, mark for sure.
Just back to that other one. I understand the rationale
of the rule, which is they want contested kicks. So
if you if you kick a ball forward and you've
got your you've got your chases after it, you want
that to be contestable ball. But but like I say,

(01:05:00):
it is natural for a player on the other team
running back to supporter's mate who's under it waiting to
catch it, to run towards the ball carrier or sorry
that the potential catcher. What is, from the way I
read it, what you're supposed to do under this new
rule is run back in a straight line rather than
a diagonal line. But it is absolutely natural to run

(01:05:24):
straight towards where the ball will land to wrap around
your mate to help him out. I watched Cody Taylor
this morning. He had eyes on nothing other than was
it will Jordan or bone and Barrett doesn't matter catching
the ball and the French Christ just run into him
and Cody Taylor gets penalized for that. I don't understand.

(01:05:44):
I do not understand. Thanks Mark, Hey, Bruce, Yeah you
go mate.

Speaker 32 (01:05:49):
Yeah, that was one monumental test this morning, mate, and
a light obviously gathered by the result, but in terms
of a game, was fantastic. But man, like I mean,
I hate, always hate the All Blacks losing, being a
massive Blacks fan, but the I'm really excited about the team.

(01:06:12):
And you mentioned about cam Royguard being a generational talent,
which I believe he is. But I also think we've
got guys like Peter Larkeye and Wallace a Titi, which
you can put in that same bracket. And yeah, I
just think that, Like you know, I hate the All

(01:06:32):
Blacks losing, but I just think in terms of the
potential moving forward over the next few years, I'm just
ready for the team to explode. So yeah, I just
got nothing but excitement for this team.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
I love that Bruce, and I sare you of you
have just written down here here Larkye imagine a loose
trio which includes Larkye and s Tti presumably like Eye
on the open side, Tatti is probably going to play
number eight moving forward, and then Roy Guard. I'm clearing
from the base of that scrum, larkays Titi Royguard, add
two Paul Vai into there, who's had a really good scene,
and we'll only grow as time goes on. I think

(01:07:09):
you're right. I think this team's got the makings of
a really exciting All Blacks team for the next World
Cup cycle.

Speaker 26 (01:07:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 32 (01:07:16):
Absolutely, And I also have high wraps on like Fabian
holand he's still got to come in up to the site,
you know, in terms of the locking area, and Reuben
Love in the background, who's yet to sort of establish
his mark. So yeah, I honestly do think that we
are on the cusp of something great, but sort of

(01:07:40):
just haven't quite got there just yet. So sort of
a bit frustrated, but man, just like I have nothing
but excitement for the team.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Very measured comments, Bruce, un Like you, I had it
when we lose. I want the All Blacks to winever
a single test match, but like you know, you're able
to hover above that, look down and say, hey, this
is the makings of a really exciting team at the
start of a World Cup cycle. Let's not forget that,
you know, this is the first year of a new
World Cup cycle and the development of players like Setti,
Roy Guard Lakey, who's only really just arrived via We'll

(01:08:12):
get to the chance to see Ruben Love I'm sure
next week. Billy Procter, who's gone home of course to
be with his partner for the birth of their child,
but as another guy who's going to be involved moving forward.
And then you start thinking about Latimer and Hoth, them
as the backup half backs moving forward, and other players
who we've seen a little bit of but not a
huge amount of this year. Sam Dowry is another one.

(01:08:34):
Fabian Holland. You mentioned Bruce, who's I think joined the
team I think as eligibility, as is the issue with
Fabian Holland, but that will be sorted soon. There is
a lot to like about this All Blacks side in
terms of the bones of the squad moving forward, and
we're only in twenty twenty four, seventeen and a half
to one James Dean Please there's not one person James

(01:08:54):
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Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Yeah, but of a turning point, that one five minutes
into the second half, France scoring a converted try to
go twenty four to seventeen ahead. From that point they
were never behind in the game. James, thanks for holding
make good afternoon here you get.

Speaker 8 (01:09:53):
Asking you and Jason Hey, thanks for well having me
on the show. I haven't been listening to all the comments,
so I've just heard the more recent ones and everyone
seems to be fizzing about the game, which it was
a great game of rugby, the best game we've seen
from the All Blacks this year. But the reason for
it is a distinctive change in tactics, and that is

(01:10:14):
we're not kicking the ball those high stupid balls, low
percentage balls over straight to the opposition and giving the
position away. That's a strategy. It's a very low percentage strategy.
And you know, I didn't see Roguard do it once.
Radama did when he came on. But keeping the ball
in hand, we've gone back to our traditional type of

(01:10:35):
style support play, and they just looked and made such
a difference to our game.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Great point, James, You're right. Hadn't even occurred to me,
But you're so right. Yeah, Rogar didn't box kick one
study No, no, radom I.

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
Did as soon as he came on. But Roygard's play
was exceptional. Okay, they shouldn't have probably changed it, but
that's hindsight. Radam has played some very good drugmy in
the past as well, but Royguard is an exceptional talent
out of the Whitecaddow. The But just watching the whole
the whole game every and so like we lost by
a point, we could have won a few referee decisions. Okay, look,

(01:11:12):
but it made us far more interested in watching rugby
farther game to watch alas we talked about with this
kick and hope and that's all that, all that kicking is.
It's a hope strategy, and hope is not a strategy.
Had some very low sense play and we've done that
for several years now, and we looked, we've just become

(01:11:32):
one of the other teams, and so we've just amalgamated
with them.

Speaker 18 (01:11:35):
We've become ordinary with this.

Speaker 8 (01:11:37):
Style of rugby. We can differentiate ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
That's another great another great line. Hope is not a strategy.
That's terrific. I love that. James, the previous caller, talked
about an optimism as we look ahead. Do you share that?

Speaker 17 (01:11:52):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:11:52):
I do.

Speaker 8 (01:11:52):
You have a look at the players, like a few
players come in Satiti and it's like I've come in.
But basically we've had the same team that all of
a sudden we've changed. It's the same team and these
guys are starting to stand up again, will stand out. Now,
forget you some really good talent there, but as long
as you play the right strategy, that's all. And then
you look at that. When's the last time you've seen

(01:12:14):
a half that kicks the corner like that? Before I
go whinn he gain put the twenty ball into their
twenty two.

Speaker 30 (01:12:19):
We're not doing that.

Speaker 8 (01:12:21):
Boden Barrack kicked a cross field at one stage to
our right wing and that's a very low percentage shot
that could have gone the other way the foondured got
it'd have been scoring at the other end. You can't
play low percentage rugby at Test level.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Such good thoughts, James, please call it again, mate, I've
enjoyed our chat. I've just got to get to Dean,
but thank you mate for that. I've written that down
as well. Hope is not a strategy.

Speaker 26 (01:12:47):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
I think that transitions across all parts of life as well. James,
love it, mate, Hi Dean.

Speaker 33 (01:12:53):
Hey mate, A great test pointing to your observations. And
it was a great test to find some things out
about a few players by for me, a really cunning
of him for his best test of the year. And
i've sort of, you know, we've wondered about whether he'd
be able to step up. I thought had a tremendous game.
Peter Larkeye didn't look out of place for playing most

(01:13:16):
of the full game, and I thought that was really
encouraging because I'm not convinced that Ethan Blackout has got
the durability. And you just look at the Larkye and
all his potential. That's pretty exciting. I think we missed
Mark Talley a big time and I really felt Savories
was he was lacking today. He was really out of

(01:13:38):
his depth, short of pace, and it was really shown
up when they scored their try. And he's not the
aerial player that we need in the wings. We're going
to have to find someone to do, you know, to
do that job, and eventually these other guys aren't there.
And I wondered about this young Crusader's guy, the Fijamble.
It's been caught up into the squad that was in

(01:13:59):
the fifteen. He's super quick and I think he might
have a big future as well if he's given a chance.
But you look at the young guys like Tomkey Williams,
he's stepped up massively, So Titi's been fantastic. So there's
a lot to get excited about.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Indeed, you're talking about Schaffee hockey, I think are you
talking about as the hockey.

Speaker 33 (01:14:18):
Yeah, Yeah, that's he's super fast and he's he's a
guy that plays full back and wing, and that seems
to be the trend these days. Guys are good aerially
that can play those roles and they sort of form a,
you know, a really good back three when they need to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
It's interesting with Sev Reese, isn't it. You're right he
didn't play against England or Island, but he played the
four Tests before that on the on the right wing.
He played South Africa and Cape Town, Australia, both Tests
in Sydney and Wellington, and the game against Japan and Yokohama,
so he almost had a bit of a he had
a bit of a hold on that jersey. But yeah,
I think Mark Talaya, who by his own admission probably

(01:14:55):
had a quiet start to the year, was very good
against England and Ireland on that right wing, and but
for injury, I think would have played this morning.

Speaker 33 (01:15:02):
Yeah, Reese looked to me really out of it today.
I think he was probably the weak link that got
found out, and you've got to find those things out
in big games, and I think him, look, he may
have played his last big Test. You know, he was
certainly sort of paced. He looked so slow running back.
But you know, we got Zil come back next year
and it's exciting too. So I think things are building

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and the right and the right you know, in the
right area. So so what to look forward to?

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Indie good stuff, Dan, thanks again mate for calling in.
Do you have had some good calls this hour, some
really good ones. I think we'll keep the conversation open
after one o'clock. If this is going to be the
nature of the conversation that we're going to get seven
and a half away from one, us talks Ebo.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
From the drag fields and the court on your home
of sort weekends for it with Jason talkb.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Just on four and a half away from one. We'll
open the lines again after one o'clock. We had Jason
Holland on about an hour or so ago. I asked
him about the decision to withdraw cam roy Guard after
just five or seven minutes in the second half.

Speaker 16 (01:16:03):
Oh, look she was she was a quick game out
of the here, and the Nines are covering some massive meters.
And when we know what Cortes can give us, he
come can come on and speed the game up. And
I think of that little bit ken was good and
fifty fifty year whatever it was, fifty two or fifty
three minutes and nine's a you know, a new nine

(01:16:23):
as a real freshener for the team. So you know
that was that someone set there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
That's cam Roygard's substitution explanation from Jason Holland. After one
o'clock we'll hear from head coach Scott Robertson. Also Elliott
Smith's had a chap to cam Royguard as well to
get his thoughts. Dear says Pine. He just loved the continuity.
All Blacks have made massive strikes this year. Assuming they
win next week, they finished the year with a seventy
one percent win rate, playing England three times, the box

(01:16:49):
away twice, Ireland and France away. We're going in the
right direction under Razor. Given the cattle that we have
only one or two probably make a World fifteen interesting.
There's thanks for your text. More after one o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
It's the only place to discuss the biggest fourse issues
on and after fields, it's all on wij.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
S Ford with Jason bade On your home of Sport UK.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Hello and welcome in or welcome back, as the case.
May be it's one o seven. I'm Jason Pine. We're
talking rugby for the next half hour or so, maybe
a bit longer. James mcconey is on the show and
his regular slot around one forty five. Between now and then,
going to hear the thoughts of All black Head coach
Scott Robertson. Also cam roygart on his birthday. A test

(01:17:35):
match on his birthday a try but was he withdrawn
too soon? You might have some views on that or
on anything that stood out from that Test match. This
morning we had a full border calls between twelve and one.
You might not have been able to get through. If
that was the case, I'd welcome your call now. We'll
keep lines open. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty

(01:17:56):
as always as the number. Some really astute observations last
hour long, May that continue. If you've got a point
to make, we'd love to have you do so. I
w eight hundred eighty ten eighty is our number. Will
keep an eye on live sport happening around the place
as well. After two o'clocks, about an hour away, Finn
Butcher joins us. One of the undoubted stars of the

(01:18:17):
Paris Olympic games. With his gold medal and the kayak
cross he's going to reminisus. It's been just over one
hundred days actually since he stood on top of that podium.
So with the benefit of three months or so hindsight,
how's Finn Butcher feeling about life and about his gold medal?
Oh eight and eighty ten eighty. What was Scott Robertson's

(01:18:38):
initial thoughts on what played out today?

Speaker 34 (01:18:40):
Really proud of our efforts and how how hard we
worked for each other. We created so much, we didn't
finish and there's a tough part.

Speaker 35 (01:18:53):
You know.

Speaker 34 (01:18:53):
Look, we've had some really really good footing and there's
a couple of little moments when the game swung their way,
especially just just before and alfter halftime. So we never
put enough pressure, scoreboard pressure on nearly enough and they
stayed in it, crowd come into it and made opportunities
in the end to win it. But the world under France,
they showed a lot of courage and spirit and defended stoically.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
There was a thought that there should have perhaps been
a few more scrum penalties after the All Blacks seemed
to dominate at scrum time. What was Scott Robertson's thoughts on.

Speaker 34 (01:19:24):
That, I think you asking that question leads to the
answer Elliott, Yeah, I thought we was coming too extremely well.
Showed some really good pictures and probably one of the
other areas which were around the effort not quite in
the reward for that we felt we you know, we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
And France's try in the fiftieth minute, which was, as
I mentioned before, a bit of a fourteen point swing.
The All Blacks on attack and maybe if a pass
had gone to hand to will Jordan, the All blacks
would have been off down the other end to score
a converted try. As it was ball kicked ahead by France,
they scored a converted try. What was the significance of
that particular passage of play on the game?

Speaker 8 (01:20:04):
Oh?

Speaker 34 (01:20:04):
That was That was the big moment. It was a
fourteen point try, wasn't it Where it goes to hand,
we scored, They kick it through and buried he scores
and how fast does he at least wait?

Speaker 25 (01:20:16):
Wow?

Speaker 34 (01:20:17):
Yet his perception also there was a moment and gave
him a lot of belief for you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
This were some of the thoughts of Scott Robertson a
short time ago at the post match press conference, you'll
have some I'm sure our eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty phone him on through. Let's have a chat about
this game. Anything you want to pick up on John,
you can kick us off this out. How are you.

Speaker 26 (01:20:38):
I'm good, I'm good. I thought it was a great game.
And you see, they just made that one slip in
that fast wigga game, So I'd call that an opportunity try.
But there was a big hole here and he got
up and he scored the try. But there was a
couple of times that ref was very quick on sort
of if they play the ball, you know, And there
was a time when they were down there, that French team,

(01:21:00):
and they were creeping across from the line out in
the kick of the corner, and they they were going across,
they weren't going forward, and he never said play the ball,
play you know, move the ball. Do you remember that
part of it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
I don't know exactly which part you're referencing.

Speaker 26 (01:21:17):
John, Now, oh, oh, that's okay. I think myself that
he puts three barretts on a game. I can't understand
why they deep our and he runs him on McLeod
and that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
What's his name, Damien McKenzie.

Speaker 26 (01:21:39):
Mackenzie, McKenzie. Now he came on and he and he
made a big impression straight away, and he and the
remarkable and he dodges all around the bloody field. I
don't know why he holds him off and he just
brings him on in the last twenty minutes of the game.
I mean he ran down there, remember, and they almost
got another bloody try, those French. But he got down

(01:22:01):
there and over that ball about a meter away from
their try line.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Yeah, he was fresh. He was fresh though, wasn't he, Johnny,
You know, but he might have been fresh.

Speaker 26 (01:22:12):
But I mean, don't take it away. I said to
my mate I was watching the game with. I think
that the team that won it run it. Maybe a
draw would have been fair. I don't know, but I
mean I thought it was a great game of rugby
and they were blooding a lot of new players, and
you've got an immense French crowd on their side, of course,

(01:22:32):
But I just think it's time that McKenzie gone on earlier.
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
No, John, Yeah, yeah, it's a good opinion. It's the
interesting part about Damien McKenzie as he started the first
eight test matches of the year. He started against Ireland
last weekend against Japan, So of the thirteen tests, he
started at ten ten times in those thirteen games and
has come off the bench in the other three. I
guess what you're saying is that perhaps he should come

(01:23:00):
off if he isn't an impact role a little bit earlier.
But having said that, he was on in the fiftieth
minute today.

Speaker 26 (01:23:06):
Yeah, all I'm saying about it is if you really
go back on the other games. I mean, he's the
sort of player that you can't sort of follow after
the game and see how he's going to play the game.
He doesn't know himself. He's just a very elusive player
and he and they wouldn't know how to even mark him.
And he cuts through like a like knife through a butter.

(01:23:28):
That's all I'm saying. And I think he's been very
instrumental in the winning of a lot of these recent tests.
That's what I'm saying about. David McKenzie.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Yeah, No, and John, you make a good point, a
very good point, yes, And I think that the Damien
McKenzie Bowden Barrett argument discussion debate will continue next year.
And Richie Morlonga may even be back in too that
equation as well. My preference is Damien Mackenzie off the bench,
but as you've pointed out, John, it needs to perhaps
be used slightly differently. He was as I say today,

(01:24:03):
he came on. He came on at the same time
that they made the change in halfback, so he had
half an hour and his kicking was good again, wasn't it.
Thanks John, I appreciate your call. Hello, Chris, how are
you going good? Thank you, Chris, how are you going?

Speaker 33 (01:24:21):
That's good?

Speaker 30 (01:24:22):
Oh I'm a bit disappointed they to be honest. I
mean that game was the All Blacks, right, and obviously
you can tell by Max and a pom and we
don't know anything about rugby.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
I think we all know that's not true. Chris. I
think you know.

Speaker 30 (01:24:37):
But I mean, yeah, but you know, the All Blacks
are the best team in the world. But when you're
fighting against a referee, it's just ridiculous. I mean the
match officials. You know, there's many times that the match
officials were incorrect, you know, false net rolls and obstruction
and they all got points for that in French, you know.

(01:25:00):
And I've been watching rugby. I'm sixty eight. I've been
watching rugby all these years, and the amount of times
that the All Blacks have been denied World Cups games,
you know, in championships or whatever because of these referees.
The lines that you've got. You've got two blindsmen, which

(01:25:21):
is a ka now match of assistant referees. You've got
the referee, you've got this guy upstairs, and then you've
got this other battle play guy and they can't even
get it right. You remember the the old hand of God.
I remember this the decades are wing Argentina won the

(01:25:42):
World Cup. Hundreds of millions of people saw handball for
the referees in the liner and didn't and that went
down in history.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Yeah, I don't, I don't think.

Speaker 8 (01:25:55):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Yeah, I don't think the reason the Old Blacks lost
the game was because of the referees.

Speaker 30 (01:26:00):
No, well, I think I disagree, but we'll leave it there.
But you know, we we we've got to nobody up
on the French side or the All Black side, the
manager Razor or Ardie Savier or anybody complained about the
referees because they know, as they do, next game they play,

(01:26:22):
what's going to happen, they'll get things even more.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Yeah. I think the reason they don't comment about the
referees perhaps is because, as I say, Chris, I don't
think that was the reason they lost the game. You know,
the referee didn't make the decision to kick the goal
instead of kicking for the line, didn't make the decision
to make the substitutions, didn't make the decision, as Ardie
Savee said, to make silly mistakes and the odd turnover.

(01:26:47):
The referee didn't create French pressure. You know, I think
the reason that the All Blacks, you know, after the
game today haven't talked about the referee or there was
a there was a brief bit there with Raiser talking
about the penalties at scrum time, was that the referee
wasn't the reason the All Blacks lost the game. I
too was mystified by a few of his decisions, but
at scrum time and listening to Gregor Paul on our commentary,

(01:27:12):
he made the point regularly that the All Blacks were
absolutely monstering France at scrum time and it was almost
as though the referee didn't want to give a scrum
a penalty every scrum. But if you know if that's
what is required, then that's what's required. I'll walk it back.
Though the referee wasn't the reason the All Blacks lost
that game.

Speaker 26 (01:27:34):
Hello Murray, how are you doing?

Speaker 21 (01:27:38):
I thought it was a great game. Had everything hit
all the elements, so they had a cup of coffee,
never got to drink a taste around the room near
But I mean, how I did come on the Northern
hemisphy of season is tuning into almost those mini competition
field it's got everything, you know, and that was a
big stadium, that was a big match.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Yeah, I thought it was a great Test. I think
if you weren't, like I said before, Maurray, if you weren't,
I mean you sound like a kiwi I am. You
know we want the All Blacks to one all the time.

Speaker 21 (01:28:05):
Daughter's French?

Speaker 26 (01:28:09):
Good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Oh yeah, well there's a no lose situation.

Speaker 17 (01:28:12):
Then.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Look, I think as a Test match as a spectacle
and you and you're right to talk about it in
a wider sense. With the other games. We're getting the
opportunity to see the Autumn internationals as they call them
up there. There's been some great games of rugby absolutely,
and this one.

Speaker 21 (01:28:27):
I was always worried about let's go, said game man,
you know, injuries, tiredness, and it was in the big stadium,
start in front. It's sort of the Irish stadium was
as try to speak.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
I thought it was looked amazing this morning. It looked,
honestly looked amazing that especially pre game with the they
took the lights down. And I know it's only I
know it's only window addressing to the extra game of rugby, Murray,
but I just thought the whole occasion pre gamer it
was awesome.

Speaker 21 (01:28:54):
In getting a bit technical. I think it was the
right decision to play quarters rating because we know who
Rougad is. Scott obviosly knows who he is because said,
there's never been someone talked about so much. So here
is a big game player.

Speaker 36 (01:29:08):
We know that.

Speaker 21 (01:29:09):
But she wasn't gonna really innocing from Ratima. They're playing
them against Italy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
It was it was now yeah, but yeah, I still
think you want to win the game of rugby, that
don't you, Murray. I mean, yeah, we learn a bit
about Ratama against England and Ireland. You know I would
have kept Roy guard on, yeah, for the.

Speaker 21 (01:29:26):
Win, but there's a balancing agent that's at four years
World Cup, SoCal, isn't it. We need three hacks, we
need three half backs, and we need three tens and
we haven't got them yet.

Speaker 15 (01:29:36):
So when when?

Speaker 21 (01:29:37):
When? When do you know?

Speaker 37 (01:29:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Yeah, it'll be a genius decision in three years Murray,
you're right. If yeah, If the development of Ratima and
Roy Garden, I guess Noah, hope them is the other one.
If it continues to go on the same trajectory that
it is, we could arrive at the next World Cup.
Were three absolutely brilliant half backs.

Speaker 21 (01:29:56):
And a good forward pack. They're young, and they're big
and they're strong.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
It's killful, good stuff, Murray, good points, well made, my friend,
Thanks for calling in. I'm sure you daughter. Will we
please too the outcome of the game, Hello, Tom came
on it? Uh oh, yes, I wonder whether you would
call that. Honestly, I think we could probably, we could
probably do a whole show on d MAC. What did

(01:30:23):
you make of his impact? What did you make of
his impact this morning?

Speaker 11 (01:30:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:30:27):
No, he was insane, like you could come off the
bench instant. I think, first touch, break down, the theft instantly,
I think, then he put someone through a hole instantly.
Impact was back there to save that try.

Speaker 18 (01:30:39):
After that break.

Speaker 29 (01:30:41):
Obviously kicked for out of four penalties, he made another
break will Jordan again through a through a pass that
probably shouldn't have shouldn't have been thrown, so you know,
he was insane. I think we need to start looking
at the point that when someone before thought about scoreboard
pressure and at the end of the day, you bring
an impact player on when you're losing. We saw it

(01:31:01):
against England boortem One when we were losing was bared
at ten. Bring Damien on. He went to the game
last week against Ireland, Damian McKenzie managed the match for
four minutes at ten. This week, Barrett's at ten. Damie
comes on the fifty fifth minute, we're losing. Bar at ten,
Damie comes on, We get within a point. I think
he impacted the game pretty well. And yeah, no, at

(01:31:24):
the end of the day we'll even go back a
bit more.

Speaker 11 (01:31:26):
We go Japan.

Speaker 18 (01:31:27):
He was That's Japan.

Speaker 29 (01:31:29):
That was Japan's second biggest loss in the last ten years.
D make at ten game before that, when he got
dropped to the bench against Ossie, he set up to
try for our only points scored in the rugby championship
after the sixtieth minute, So he's clearly playing good rugby. Like,
if we're just going to act like this guy's made
one or two mistakes, he shouldn't have been the team
or shouldn't be starting, that's just ridiculous because we saw

(01:31:51):
today Bot. I think he had a good game. He
put away the bootle lot and he ran the ball,
but he didn't create a lot. Both our tries came
from ro regards individual brilliance, and then there was that
try down the left in the first half. Again nothing
to it could have been honest, like, I don't think
he's trading the players that we want.

Speaker 26 (01:32:11):
He's not.

Speaker 29 (01:32:13):
You know, there was the team wasn't wasn't exactly sharp
so and even yet overall selection even yeah, I don't know,
no one's bad players, but sevu Reese as well instead
of an Elf in the room, I think he's clearly
off out of foreman. Yeah, I would have liked to
have seen Will Jordan on the wing and Boden fullback.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
But yeah, I was going to ask if it's not Ree,
if it's not Reese on the right wing, then who
is it? Because you know, obviously in the car quite yeah,
I would have I would have put Yeah, maybe Will Jordan.
I I just think they're all in on him at
fallback now. It feels to me, and I know what
you're saying about, you know, perhaps playing Damien McKenzie there

(01:32:55):
in this situation. I guess they also could have potentially
on a bit deeper into the squad and included Ruben
Love somehow. But yeah, yeah, it's I kind of feel
like the hand was forced in many ways around just
a lack of i'll fit wingers in the squad at
the moment.

Speaker 29 (01:33:12):
Well, it's one of those things where Braids has always
said he rates he sees Jordan as a fullback who
can play wing, and it's like it it gets to
the point where we get Reese injured and then Breeze
prod Engine and the next man up. All we're just
going to keep going down the U until we start
playing NBC players on the right wings. Like you know,
I think if your next best option is Will Jordan

(01:33:33):
on the right wing and voting at fullback, do it.
You know, it's pretty odd in my opinion, Like you've
got experienced test players out there who are in form
who warrant selection in the jersey Like at the end
of the day, we're seeing you know, obviously different positions,
but we're seeing severy Reese starting in the all based
jersey with a player like mckensey on the bench. That
doesn't sit right with me. Again, each each of their own.

(01:33:58):
But now that was a good game, cracking, cracking spectacle.
Huge respect to the French crowd for for the way
they respected the hacker that were that was neat and
now it was a good game.

Speaker 11 (01:34:09):
It was a real good game.

Speaker 29 (01:34:10):
And I think all these boys that they fronted like
they had a good game and we went, we know
how good that French crowd. The French at teamas and
the crowd got into it. And Ramos great kickers, so
you know they made that they punished the r box
with his with his checking and overall, I think you
just went as sharp as the VIPs. We didn't even
defend like they did last week. I didn't think there

(01:34:31):
was the same sort of connection and an open game
like that. Selection Wise states that d makes probably your
best option at ten.

Speaker 19 (01:34:39):
So yeah, just mind, I.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Think you'll I think you'll play the next week. I
think he'll ten.

Speaker 35 (01:34:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
I just feel like and if he does. Then they've gone.
They've gone McKenzie, Barrett, McKenzie, Barrett, mackenzie and the five tests,
haven't they you know, in fact, even going back for that,
in fact they've gone from Australia in Sydney up till
now they've gone McKenzie, Barrett, McKenzie, Barrett, mackenzie, Barrett. So yeah,
it's it's been a test each for the last half
a dozen. Next year, next year's going to be interesting.

Speaker 29 (01:35:09):
Man, Yes, that's the debate they'll go on for next year.
As you say, I'm assuming, yeah, Bart will be at
ten for the Blues and obviously mcken's will be at
ten for the Chiefs, and yeah, no it'll be it'll
be interesting. But yeah, I don't really know what what
Barret Well Robinson's planners with with Barrett in the sense
that as an age and player, if he wants to
continue with him at ten, you know, as he gets

(01:35:30):
to thirty five, thirty six, you know, and I hope
that Mlonga comes back, or I don't know what his
planners look about, if he wants use him as a
stop gap or if he thinks that that he is
starting ten he wants to back him but I don't
see him as the future. I think I think McKenzie's
clearly shown he is the ten Jersey. So yeah, i'd
like to see him start next week against Italy. And

(01:35:51):
I wouldn't actually mind seeing Ruby Lovett fall back next
week with Dad on the wing. I think that could
be interesting against Intelligence.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Yeah, I think there'll be a lot of guys next
week who get games, and I think Ruben loves one
of them. What do we see. We saw him come
off the bench against Japan and we've got a couple
of tries laid on. I think you'll see him Billy
practice not there, so he won't get a game, but
I think you'll you'll see a lot of guys who
who haven't played for the last three weeks get games.
I'm pretty sure I'm not telling I'm not to you. Yeah,
I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. I'm

(01:36:20):
sure others have worked this out, but there's a lot
of guys, a lot of guys have played the last
three weeks, you know, big Test matches back to back
to back. But yeah, yeah, I think t Mak will
start at ten next week. Bude Impear. It might not
even be in the squad.

Speaker 18 (01:36:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
It might be that they say, okay, body, we're not
we don't need you this week. Although he didn't play
against Ireland, did he with concussion? So perhaps he does
get one more one more test. But maybe it's in
the in the twenty two jersey or twenty three jersey.
We'll we'll wait and see it.

Speaker 17 (01:36:45):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Love your worked on mate, Thank you all the best, cheers.
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number
one twenty six. We'll get a breakaway. There is a
spear line there. We'll keep on chatting all blacks for
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him seven eight minutes and his first test try. What's
Scott Robertson make of Peter Larkey's performance exceptional?

Speaker 34 (01:39:11):
You know, he was accurate, volunteered, you know, back to
skill set, had a great game, you know for a
second test and the normality of it, it was special.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Also from Scott Robertson, what's the strategy today to hold
the ball more than they have in previous test matches
other words, kick the ball less.

Speaker 34 (01:39:33):
Yeah, we wanted to hold the ball and put a
lot of pressure on them by making a lot of tackles. Yeah, yeah,
And We did it exactly as a question you asked.
Maybe at times you could have kicked a little bit
more and maybe if we caught the last pass, we're
glad we held the ball. So it's a fine margins

(01:39:54):
in that regard, but we certainly created a lot we
didn't quite finish enough.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Bringing Damien McKenzie on fifteen minutes into the second half.
Was there a plan a pre strategy behind that?

Speaker 34 (01:40:08):
But both you know, he covers the backfield if if
he's ten or you know, fifteen, and just with him
in the coverage with you get your two great counter
attackers with Bill and keep Bone in the front line.

Speaker 17 (01:40:21):
So that was the that was the plan.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
And finally from Scott robertson the Battle of the Nines
or the starting Nines anyway, how did he see Antoine
DuPont versus Cam Roy guard?

Speaker 34 (01:40:32):
Yeah, I thought Cam took some great opportunities on his birthday,
so he was It was a weird moment for him.
It was great to see him come back into tests.
He fought really hard and rehabbed his injury incredibly well
and you know, deserve the opportunity to start tonight. There's
some nice touches and it was good head to head
with Antoine to mighty Williams is he's he's well classed,

(01:40:56):
you know, he's big, strong, got great skill set and
he can scrimmage which is the number one job for
us for a front rower, and he loves his craft.
So really pleased for him.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
So there that's Scott Robinson talking about various aspects of
this morning's game. Mitch stays, would Cam Roygard's substitution be
minute management? Perhaps his first start back in a massive
test after a large knee injury and recovery. The longevity
of Cam for his career and the All Blacks may
have been at play here, and that's a good point.
Good point. I'm well here from Cam roygad before the

(01:41:30):
end of the show it didn't look like a bloke
who needed managements. But then I'm not a sports scientist.

Speaker 10 (01:41:35):
Dean hi Hello is the pioneer. I just, I just
I haven't seen all the game three and I'm just
watching the second half now because I had to go
to a meeting. Only saw the first half. But you're
those high tacks that really gets my noses so long
it's not hard to get up, but it really gets.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
That's not good one.

Speaker 10 (01:41:59):
I love it, it really does. I remember that in
the days when I played with snow White, whenever the
ball went up in the air and we Nancy backs
are standing there with their ballet shoes on and not
running back and getting behind the ball and coming forward,
he would scream at us, for goodness, big explet if

(01:42:19):
get back behind the ball and come forward, because his
story was if the other team got it, they had
momentum forward. But when I see the All Blacks, and
I see in a lot of things they kick, everyone
stands there and just looks instead of running back, getting behind,
coming forward into the And when the fullback comes screaming

(01:42:40):
up from fifty meters back, when there's a dozen players
standing under the ball that could catch it. I don't
know why they do that, but that business of getting
in behind the ball would alleviate this business of getting
in the way of players running through a destruction. That's
just the thought I had.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
Yeah, that's interesting, Dan, I guess if you are running
to get back behind the ball, you can still run
directly towards where the ball is going to land.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
It's a confusing new kind of rule to me, This one.

Speaker 10 (01:43:09):
I have to say well, I would totally agree. You
do run to where the ball's going down. But the
problem is there's so many things that can happen. Then
you go up after the ball, you need to touch
the player in the air. You get penalized. In the
line out. I thought it used to be a contest contest.
Now you just touch the other guy's arm, you get penalized.

(01:43:30):
I mean it's changed so much or the penolage. To me,
the penalty spoil the game.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
Interesting callers always, Yeah, interesting callers always from you, Jane,
thank you so much, mate, really appreciate it. Thanks for
your for your call on your humor. A couple on
tech film and says, great game, Piney, shame about the
last but that final penalty kick. As soon as it
was signaled, my first thought was, never would I have
seen Richie mccaorr do that.

Speaker 21 (01:43:55):
Yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Decision to take the kick to close it up to
one point with four minutes to go.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
I get in.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
Brad Shields was interesting on this when he when he
spoke about it. You know you have to back yourself
to get back down that other end, don't you If
you don't kick for the line. What you're saying to
yourself is okay, we'll take the points and back ourselves
to get back down the other ends with very very
tired bodies because we're in the latter stages of the game.

(01:44:26):
So there's a bit that comes into play. If you
kick for the line, obviously, look it's almost to guarantee
three points. You know you're going to get the three points,
and often you take the points. Take the points as
a mantra, you hear a lot. But if you kick
for the line and set up a line out drive
or whatever it is that you're setting up, whether it

(01:44:47):
be that or then a back line move, there's a
far greater chance you'll come away empty handed. It's the
old bird in the hand too and the bush kind
of thing, isn't it. But yep, they'll read look at it,
They'll they'll think about it, they'll they'll examine the decision
text here from gunner Pine. Congrats to France. But this

(01:45:07):
is a rare time for me after an All Blacks
loss that I'm not devastated, not as I could be anyway.
I'm still disappointed, but there alls to me have shown
huge growth since July. The forward pack is the real
improvement for the second week in a row, they pretty
much owned their Northern Hemisphere forward pack thanks to Jason Ryan.
I feel now the All Blacks forward pack has the
confidence to compete and dominate their opponents like the old years. Yes,

(01:45:32):
there are still silly mistakes, but those mistakes are fixable.

Speaker 11 (01:45:35):
Is it just me?

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
But can anyone else feel huge amounts of confidence for
the future which is looking very bright? Gunner? I think
a lot of us are feeling that way. We've a
couple of callers make that very point, Tim, do you
feel confident about the future. That's probably a very's a
very philosophical question. Let's a narrow it down to the
All Blacks future very comforts.

Speaker 19 (01:45:56):
I think they performed exceptionally well throughout this whole Northern tour. Yeah,
I mean, look at it, look at the stocks that
we've got special t people like Guy today. I'm massively
confident in the way that this team's hitting in just
the first year, with all of those changes. I don't
think why I don't. I don't understand why people would

(01:46:16):
be questioning that I have got I've got a stranger
on for you, Piney. Throughout the game, there are a
couple of moments there where there would have been a
possible yellow card if the if the All Blacks would
have played to the penalty. But they carried on and
they carried on down the field. In the past, I

(01:46:39):
feel like the All Black teams have old would have
been able to drop the ball on the foot then
get the penalty our yellow card. Did you do you
feel like that they're playing through these moments and the
ref won't go back to the the the infringement and
give a yellow card.

Speaker 20 (01:46:53):
I kind of feel like past.

Speaker 22 (01:46:55):
Teams will have done that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Yeah, I know exactly the I know exactly the situation
you're talking about.

Speaker 38 (01:47:00):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Yeah, And yeah, it's interesting match management, isn't it. Yeah
that you say that somebody quick thinking enough to say, right,
if we come back here, they're going down to fourteen
because the deliberate knock on you're talking about, isn't it correct?

Speaker 35 (01:47:13):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Absolutely, Yeah, it's such an interesting point. I guess in
the heat of the moment, you know, the more experience
you have, somebody makes that decision. It's always It's always
interested me that as well, when you you know, when
you have a pressure building and the referee says, hey,
the next time you infringe, it's a yellow card. And
then you score a try and it almost seems and
they infringe again, but you go on to score a try.

(01:47:35):
It's almost forgotten the fact that they're infringed. Should get
the try and also send the guy, send the guy off,
you know exactly.

Speaker 19 (01:47:42):
I just feel like players in the past, maybe DC,
maybe maybe Conrad Smith, maybe those kind of players with
that up you know, the real rugby intelligence would have
just been like, you know, I'm just gonna chip this through.
We're going to get get a penalty and they'll go
upstairs and you know.

Speaker 22 (01:47:57):
Pull out the yellow card.

Speaker 26 (01:47:59):
That's just my thought on it.

Speaker 19 (01:48:00):
I've seen it quite a few times in this season.
I just wondered, what you think.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
It's a great thought like, and I can't help but
agree to them. I can't help but agree because yeah, look, yeah,
guys with greater experience, just a call ahead and that
situation may well have done exactly what you're suggesting. Good
call mate, Drive safe, Thanks for your call. Nineteen away
from two, When we come back. James mcconey in his
regular Sunday slot one.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
News Talk coming up sixteen away from two Sunday Afternoons
mean James Macony, Hello mate.

Speaker 11 (01:48:38):
Hi Pony. How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
I'm good, I'm good. What did you what did you
take them? What say you say that again? All that
stuff board, your bonsoirs, all of those things. What did
you take away from What did you take away from
the Test match this morning?

Speaker 24 (01:48:59):
I enjoyed the Test match. I thought it was a
great game. I think that's the general consensus. I thought
it was scrappy though, but definitely good for world rugby.
Probably helped Antoine DuPont with given that he's been seemed
to be anointed with goat status already, but cam Rouygard
definitely challenged him because I thought he was the best

(01:49:20):
on the field for the All Blacks while he was
out there, and overall, I don't think. I think it's
just a case of our luck running out. We had
luck against England, you know, George Ford hit in the
post with that penalty, and in this situation we just
you know, our luck ran out.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Yeah, I think that's a pretty good summation read.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
You know it was.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
I've said a couple of times this afternoon. If you weren't.
If you weren't, you didn't have any skin in the
game and just watched it as a as a as
a test match. So that was a you know, that
was an entertaining eighty minutes. I thought it was a
good game.

Speaker 24 (01:49:52):
Yes, And look the other thing is there were some
the benefits for the All Blacks I think are immense.
So Peter Larco announced himself as a proper test player
and in his exceptional had to come on in the
second minute when pour O Summer Penny Fe now also
known as Buffy, the first five Slayer had to go
off injured. So seeing Lac out there was great. But

(01:50:14):
and Artie was exceptional. You could see he's decided, right,
I've got to lead from the front here. But you
still miss Sam Caine. And the reason why is because
our rock ball wasn't clean. And I think there was
a close up shot of Mighty Williams looking around perplex
going where are my cleaners? Where are the guys cleaning

(01:50:35):
out this ruck? You know, he presented perfect ball, and
I think that's where you actually do miss someone like
Sam Kaine.

Speaker 18 (01:50:41):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
A good point b is he definitely out next week.
Could he play one more test for the All Blacks?
I ever heard?

Speaker 23 (01:50:47):
You might not know.

Speaker 24 (01:50:48):
No, I don't know, but I mean I'd like to
see him get one last hurrah if that's going to
be for Sam Caine. There are a couple of points, Pinty,
and I'm not sure maybe some of your listeners have
raised this, but I thought the All Blacks under advantage.
I've always felt this, we should be throwing the kitchen
sink at them, you know, like, as soon as there's
a penalty advantage, why not break open the glass with

(01:51:11):
your emergency back line move that.

Speaker 11 (01:51:12):
You wouldn't normally use.

Speaker 24 (01:51:13):
It should be razzle dazzle because you're getting a penalty anyway.
And to see us pick and go and then come back,
you know, back to where they were, Like, you're expending
so much energy doing that, you might as well have
tried something. I mean, you might as well bond the
end goal, right, that's the case. And then the other
point was the before halftime. I think Boden took a

(01:51:35):
forty meter drop goal and we were I think we
had retreated twenty five meters, so we were up by
the twenty two, which would have been a good place
to have taken their drop goal, but for some reason
it's sort of like we just went, oh, well, we
couldn't break through and out. It's to try it from here,
and I think maybe that just the planning in those
situations would have been good. And plus they've got one

(01:51:56):
more note here. Back line moves they're not really working.
I counted clean brakes made. There were two by to
Mighty Williams and maybe one by roy Guard. So there's
a few work ons.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
Yeah, no, absolutely there are work ons. Did you catch
any of the England South Africa game that preceded this one.
I kind of had half an eye on it, South
Africa winning at twenty nine twenty So that's back to
back losses for England at Twickenham, which I think we
can all probably have a little smile about that. Did
you catch any of this game?

Speaker 24 (01:52:26):
I did see it, and I saw that Cheslyn Colby
is still exceptional and tormenting England like he did in
that World Cup final in twenty nineteen. But what it
says to me is that I think Rassi Rasmus is
trying to do a bit of a Donald Trump here
and make South African rugby great again in between World Cups,
because before there always was a hangover period for South

(01:52:49):
Africa when you know, for some reason you could just
get a win over them and you wonder what happened
to the South Africa of a hold, Whereas I feel
like Rassi is pretty much going around saying we're number
one and we're going to prove it every single time,
which is in France, this is kind of doing the same,
which is good to see. Really, I don't think I've

(01:53:11):
ever seen the top five of world rugby be this
competitive for a long time.

Speaker 26 (01:53:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
In Australia will hope to rejoin that kind of conversation
at some point. They've got Wales tomorrow morning, who are terrible.
The Wallaby should win this one, I think their firm
favorites and Cardiff. But Joseph Sauali has been after his
very impressive debut, Jos Schmitz put him on the reserves. Bend.
What did you make of his debut and what did
you make of that decision?

Speaker 24 (01:53:38):
Well, one of the great debuts. Man of the match
that Towik in that victory. I mean he is a
freaky six foot four, six foot five. I think about
your hype. Piney can run a bit faster than you,
and he's just an incredible athlete who there was a
big battle when he was a schoolboy whether he go
to union or league, and he went to league and

(01:53:59):
that's probably helped him in a lot of ways, you know,
with the being in a professional environment straight away and
the conditioning they do and get him up to speed.
But I think he could be the greatest convert, if
you can really call him a league convert. I think
he could be the greatest because for Australia, I mean
flow was probably equally great in both codes. He might

(01:54:20):
be the greatest, But I always felt like Wendel's sailor
Lodding to carry all those other ones that came across,
even brad Thorne. You'd say his body of working and
the league was was almost equal, if not better to rugby.
So now I think this is this, you know, it's
a superstar is born really with Joseph to alit. And

(01:54:41):
I'm also thinking, well, our own Joseph, Joey Marnu has
switched to rugby and so how long will it take
for him to get in there. I did mention back
on moves and lack of penetration there in the midfield.
Maybe Joseph Marty could get a shot in the near future.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
Do you remember that guy Ian Crosshm who played for
South Ones for a bit Bay of plenty and then
went across and played for South some and Cronella.

Speaker 24 (01:55:05):
Yeah, exactly, even nudge that the player's going in the
other direction. I mean Scott Goolay, did it. Remember there's
a show. I mean, there's there's there's a lot of
that sort of going either way. But look, I think
surely he is probably gonna if he can eclipse Flowers
body of workers impressive, but I think so early he
looks like he could do it. He could be in

(01:55:27):
the greatest comment.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
I'm not sure why Crossing popped into my head. Actually,
that's a very it's a very niche, very niche reference
when we're talking rugby union rugby league converts.

Speaker 24 (01:55:37):
Daryl Halligan obviously one other great.

Speaker 3 (01:55:39):
Of course, of course, of course, Hey, there was a
boxing fight. It was about yesterday between YouTube and a
fifty eight year old. Did you watch it?

Speaker 24 (01:55:47):
Yeah, unfortunately I did. I didn't want to, but as
soon as I saw that shot of Mike Tyson and
the g string somehow it sort of lured me in.
I just don't know why what's going on, but I
saw him and it was it was on the acc
of course, alternative commentary collectives social media pace. So I thought,
I'll get on Netflix and have a and like everybody,

(01:56:07):
I thought, Plica needs to win it in the first
round or you know, early in the second, or it's
all over. And it was all over, just a points decision.
But I think it's anti sport to me. I don't
think it's just really a circus side show. And just
in terms of being fifty eight, I mean, I'm not
fail off that myself. But can you remember when George

(01:56:27):
Foreman came back, when he made his has comeback in
nineteen eighty seven, he was thirty eight, and everybody thought
that was old.

Speaker 11 (01:56:35):
You know, Yeah, that's just fifty.

Speaker 24 (01:56:38):
Eight is a bridge too far, and that there's no
point to do that if boxing what it really needs
to do is get that kind of audience for their
top athletes so they can feel well aggrieved that they're
not getting twenty million dollars US or forty million. Perhaps
I was talking about the purse for both fighters.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Yeah, crazy, I got about sixty seconds. Tim Salvey is
going to retire from international Test cricket after the upcoming
series he's against England. How will you remember him?

Speaker 24 (01:57:10):
I remember him as someone who was exceptional, got every
ounce of talent, every who's sort of squeezed every ounce
out of his talent. I think he used as much
as he possibly could to get those three hundred and
eighty five Test wickets like the Pinkball Test and Eden
Park stands out. I think he just him and Trent

(01:57:30):
Bolt were an awesome duo. He's on the mount rushmore
of top New Zealand bowlers and good on him. He'll
get a chance to sort of bow out on his
own terms. But look, Tim Souvey, is he sort of
looked a bit you know and gainly didn't he when
he first turned up? But I think it was Ricky
Ponting he said this kid's going to be good and

(01:57:51):
he was right grade seven of his Zealand cricket.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
Well said mate, Well said James. Great to ten as
always mate, We'll do it again next Sunday. James mccaroney,
part of our Sundays here on Newstalk, said, be seven
away from two.

Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
Down to the line. You made a call on Weekend
Sport with Jason Pine News Talks HEB four to two.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
All right after two o'clock will mop up a little
bit of residual all Blacks stuff. I got a head
from cam roy Garden. A few more texts which I
do want to read out because a lot of good
points have been made. But first up after two o'clock
in case you missed it. And then the Butcher Finn
Butcher gold medalist and the kayak cross at the Paris
Olympics just over one hundred days. Since he's still on

(01:58:31):
top of that podium, how does he reflect on it?
Finn Butcher after two and also Michael Boxel out of
the all whites.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
The only place for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport
News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:58:53):
EDB two o seven. Welcome into the show. This is
Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB at least until three anyway.
Tim Beverage takes over after that with the Sunday edition
of the Weekend coll This hour Finn Butcher standing by
the chat to us, I think three or four months ago,

(01:59:13):
most people in New Zealand wouldn't have known who Finn
Butcher was. But after his feats at the Paris Olympic Games,
he became an overnight superstar and rightly so terrific what
he did in Paris. Has had a bit of time
to reflect on it, about one hundred days actually, so
Finn Butcher gonna have a chat to us about his

(01:59:35):
wonderful time at the Paris Olympics, what stands out most
vividly and what lies ahead for him? Also this hour,
your Whites are in camp. At the moment they beat
Vanuatu comfortably in Hamilton on Friday night eight one, they
take on some more or tomorrow night Mount Smart Stadium
in the second of their World Cup qualifiers. In this window,
doesn't matter what happens tomorrow night. They are assured of

(01:59:56):
a place in the Oceania semi finals of World Cup
qualifying that is next March, and then the final to
follow automatic qualification up for grabs for the winner of
Oceania for the next World Cup. So your White's looking
very good to achieve just that. Michael Boxel out of
the All Whites camp and will mop up the remaining

(02:00:17):
correspondence and bits and pieces from the All Blacks France
test match this morning. You can continue to get in
touch across the next hour or so if you'd like
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty to get on the
phone nine two, nine to two on text. But we've
just gone eight past two, So as we always do,
let's get you up to date with some of the
stuff that might have escaped your attention as you were

(02:00:38):
doing other things over the last little while. You might
have missed some of the sport that's been going on,
so we've pulled it together for you in case you
missed it. As the name of the feature, we start
in Australia and the Australian cricket team avenging their ODI
series loss to Pakistan in the T twenty series. Who's
the call? Don't think of that back for a second.

(02:00:59):
He's going to be in real trouble there and that
runout attracted by the captain. We'll see him when his
first series YEP, Australia winning the second T twenty by
thirteen runs one forty seven for nine plays one hundred
and thirty four all out, locking up the T twenty
series for the game to spare, the Breakers a bank
with a win over the Kings. Taipe hands away from Home.

(02:01:21):
Jackson cart Wright nestles that one home New Zealand mode to.

Speaker 9 (02:01:27):
Seven and three and at least for now put themselves
back to the top of the NBL standings.

Speaker 3 (02:01:34):
Impressive win on King's Taipans Home court at the King's
Convention Center, seventy seven sixty nine, the Breakers winning last night,
the Supercars titles being locked up with a race to
spare for.

Speaker 39 (02:01:47):
Will Brown, who's on the left hand side of screen.
He was the Formula four champion in twenty sixteen, eighty
six champion in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (02:01:58):
In twenty sixteen, TCR.

Speaker 39 (02:01:59):
Champion in twenty nineteen, runner up in Dunlop Super two,
and he is now in twenty twenty four the Red
Coast Supercars champion.

Speaker 3 (02:02:09):
Here there you go, brock Fenney winning the race, but
that's mentioned. Will Brown taking home the season drivers championship
and to some more international rugby. Scotland far too strong
as expected for Portugal.

Speaker 38 (02:02:21):
Love the Husband, his things, the cry to Reeds, the
Scots him away, untouched, Scotland dropping it up, framed in
the gears in a touch.

Speaker 3 (02:02:34):
The final score there fifty nine to twenty one to
Scotland and a twenty nine points to twenty one for
the spring Box over England. At Twickener, Carlard.

Speaker 2 (02:02:43):
Balancing around on his toes.

Speaker 5 (02:02:44):
It's Delande first.

Speaker 38 (02:02:45):
However, when he's got through the Duke's strength and then
the past two curvy.

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
And curb, his feet.

Speaker 6 (02:02:54):
Take ten over the line.

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
Double doo doo. It continues to be a ble English autumn.

Speaker 1 (02:03:06):
The scoop from the trag Field and the Court on
your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
Youth Talks in me eleven minutes past two. One of
the undoubted highlights of the Paris Olympic Games this year
was Finn Butcher winning gold in the inaugural Olympic kayak
cross event.

Speaker 40 (02:03:26):
There it is they plunge in whereas Butcher positioned himself.
He's made a strong start. Butcher, he's in first, He's
in the gold midal position as they make their way
down the course and he's got a two boat length lead.
Superb start for Butcher. He hits around gate number one
and powers his way down the whitewater rapids. He completes

(02:03:48):
the Eskimo role and hits for the first upstream gates.
Finn Butcher is still in the gold middle position as
he makes his way down the course through gate number three.
It's the Brits behind him, Joseph Clark. Finn Butcher with
about a length advantage. Now as the Britz Clark makes

(02:04:10):
in roads. He's around gate five. He has to go
across the grain here Butcher through gate six. Two gates
to go through seven, the all important upstream gates for
Finn Butcher just as to navigate it safely and the.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Gold medal is his.

Speaker 40 (02:04:27):
Finn Butcher is an Olympic champion.

Speaker 3 (02:04:35):
Can you believe it?

Speaker 6 (02:04:38):
Carve his name.

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
Into New Zealand's sport history.

Speaker 40 (02:04:43):
The Butcher delivers the goods in Paris.

Speaker 3 (02:04:49):
Tremendous, tremendous commentary from Nick Beuley that brings it all back.
Finn Butcher is with us now, just over one hundred
days since that happened, Finn, since you stood on top
of that podium with the gold medal around Jeanette, what
stands out the most when you when you think back
one hundred days or so, Yeah.

Speaker 35 (02:05:10):
Oh man, quite a lot, to be honest, Like it
was such an enjoyable time in my life, and yeah,
something I'll never forget. But look, I think we really
went to the game with you know, obviously wanting to
perform well and stand on the box, but also to

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enjoy the whole thing because because you know, I've spoken
to a lot of people who have been to the
game before and maybe not let themselves enjoy it because
I've put so much pressure on themselves and then potentially
not even not performed well because of that. So I
think probably actually just what stands out as the way
that I myself but also Aaron, my coach, we let

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ourselves enjoy the moment and gave ourselves little time to
where we can just pause and look up into the
crowd and be like, holy, you know, look at that's
pretty cool to be to be here and to be
there with each other and kind of go full circle together.
And yeah, obviously, you know, standing on the podium and

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hearing the national wins and getting played was probably something that, yeah,
I'll never forget, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:06:20):
Do you think perhaps in hindsight, the fact you were
in a slightly more relaxed state, as you've just outlined,
might have been one of the reasons for your success.

Speaker 35 (02:06:31):
Yeah, I mean I think though, Look, because it was
my first games, I spoke to a lot of peoplehoo
had been before and you know, been around and my
a lot of my support team has gone through multiple
Olympic cycles, so you know, having all those people to sort.

Speaker 22 (02:06:49):
Of guide me and.

Speaker 35 (02:06:52):
And you know, like educate me and let me know
that it is a pretty crazy event. But you know,
we just wanted to focus on the things that we
could control. And you know, you can kind of approach
things to different ways.

Speaker 22 (02:07:06):
You can let them sort of overwhelm you and.

Speaker 35 (02:07:09):
Stress you out if something goes wrong, you know, like
the bus breaks down or it's gone the wrong side
of Paris, which happens, you know, you can get stressed
out and let it overwhelm you or just you know,
take it in your stride. And I think it probably
it's probably my nature anyway. So it was just, yeah,
trying to almost let myself be who I am. And yeah,

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I mean it could have gone either way, but I
think it definitely contributed to being in a good hit
space when I was, you know, on those days, sliding
off the ramp and going for it. So yeah, I
think I think it was a pretty pretty crucial aspect
and yeah, definitely something I'm pretty proud of.

Speaker 3 (02:07:51):
So the kayak cross was the second of your events.
You had the kayak single first of all. Did it
help to have that events before the kayak Cross?

Speaker 22 (02:08:01):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 35 (02:08:02):
So, like we had basically six days of Canous Slalom
and then four days of Kayak Cross. So the first
three days of Canusalem was the Woman's Kayak and the
men See one, which are neither of my events. So
we had three days before I even started racing, so
we could kind of go to the venue and pick

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and choose, you know, the moments where I wanted to
go and watch and really kind of get used to
the atmosphere. So then when I actually started the Canus slalom,
it wasn't you know, just hitting me in the face
and overwhelming, So that definitely helped for the slalom, and
I think yeah, So by the time I got to

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the slalom.

Speaker 22 (02:08:47):
It was already you know, three days of competition.

Speaker 35 (02:08:49):
I'd watched a fear of it and kind of been
around the venue when it was full of spectators and everything.
So by the time where I started the slalom, I
was already pretty used to it and in a good
relaxed headspace. And then yeah, like finishing that actually pretty
disappointed because I got a fifty sid impunity for missing

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a gate, so didn't really finish where I wanted to be.
But you know, I'd already had a good hit out.
I knew I was in good physical shape, and yeah,
like I said, like I say, I was in a
pretty good headspace. So going into the cross, I sort
of knew that, you know, if I if I can
paddle to the way that I know I can, then

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we'll be in for a good shout.

Speaker 22 (02:09:33):
And if anyone watched the kite cross.

Speaker 35 (02:09:36):
You sort of you know, anything can happen, So we
could just basically focus on the start and then just
rep into that and then play it out lies the
rest of the way down the course. So yeah, I
mean it obviously turned out pretty well, which is cool.

Speaker 3 (02:09:55):
Indeed it did so in the kite cross time trial,
then round one, quarter final, semi final, and the final.
At what point during all of that did you think
how much chance here?

Speaker 22 (02:10:08):
I mean, I knew going in that I'd be a
chance for sure.

Speaker 35 (02:10:12):
I've had good, good results previously, previously this year but
also in the past.

Speaker 22 (02:10:18):
Few years, so you know, I knew that I'll be
I'll be a chance.

Speaker 35 (02:10:22):
And then you know, I had a pretty solid time
trial and then round one I actually got kind of
stitched up and ended up in one of the hardest
first rounds because of one of the top guys top seeds,
actually stuffed up the time trial, so then got seated
really low for round one and ended up in my heat.
So I had only a heat of three, but the

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other two were really top, top quality peddlers, So yeah,
I mean I was.

Speaker 22 (02:10:48):
Kind of like, oh God, here we go, try by fire.

Speaker 35 (02:10:52):
But yeah, managed to get a really good round in
there and kind of just started rolling from there. Yeah,
like you say, we had we had four das, so
it was time trial and then the next day was
round one and basically that's at one heat and you're
done for the day, and then the next day eat
one and then you're done for the day, and then
the finals day was three rounds. So caught it to

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his finals.

Speaker 22 (02:11:17):
And yeah, I mean we were just taking each heat
as it comes because you can't look past it.

Speaker 21 (02:11:23):
Really.

Speaker 35 (02:11:24):
Everyone in that race was it was a threat, and
you know they're if you're out in front or if
you're behind, you know they're all trying to take you
out at some point. So really just trying to trying
to be in that in that moment. And yeah, pretty much.
I think going into the finals day, I was on

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a well, I don't know if I was on a
good side of the draw. I think both starts are
pretty pretty hard. But yeah, I knew that I was
feeling really good and I had to start pretty dialed,
which was which went a long way to the winning
the race.

Speaker 3 (02:12:00):
It talk to me about when you're at the top
of the course about to be dumped into the water
with the other paddlers, do you did you have a
process or what is the last sort of a few
thoughts before that happens.

Speaker 22 (02:12:12):
Yeah, I guess I can.

Speaker 35 (02:12:15):
I can probably go through from from from ten minutes
before you've got to be us going through the prestart.
So we've got a big tint at the top with
pre start and you collect your colored bourb and choose
your lane and then wait for the previous heat to
go and then go up the ramp. And actually it

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was pretty cool. So Kelly Bailey, who's from Wanaka, she
was judging there and she was actually the pre starter
and so I've got a grown up.

Speaker 11 (02:12:47):
You know with with her and in the.

Speaker 35 (02:12:49):
Community and Central Target, and she's been judging a lot
of races and been around the show and organizing a lot.
So it was quite cool to just have you know,
she was very professional in her role at the games,
but you know, every round us coming up and just
sort of just giving her a we.

Speaker 22 (02:13:03):
Hid nod and we're just just all at each other.
So that was kind of the first part.

Speaker 35 (02:13:09):
And then you through the prestart and just have a
chat with my coach and make sure I knew what
lane to peck, and just almost a little yarn like nothing,
nothing too serious, and we just get each other a
little first pump and so a few words and and
then yeah, I choose to choose the lane. Wait for
a bit, and then we go up the ramp and

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they start playing. Once you get in, they start playing
sort of heartbeat, like the heartbeat sound, and it's sort
of like sitting up on the ramp, you know, quite
high above the water, you know, four or five meters
above the water and just steering out to this massive
crowds with the heart beat sound.

Speaker 22 (02:13:46):
Going, So that's pretty you know, you're sort of like,
just drop me off now, we just.

Speaker 35 (02:13:51):
Send us, yeah, so you know, and then when when
the the process starts, so they they sort of go
in position, and then after that you're not allowed to move.

Speaker 22 (02:14:03):
So so I just wanted to.

Speaker 35 (02:14:08):
Be leaning back as far as I could and then
basically listen for the start beep and react as fast
as I could, throw myself forward and then almost let
my all my practice take over and just trying to
land as good as I could and get a.

Speaker 22 (02:14:23):
Good few strokes and.

Speaker 35 (02:14:26):
Just basically all I wanted to do was was that
was as much intense as possible, because you know, that's
the first part of the race and it's basically the
only part you can control is how fast you react
to the ramp and how you can slide down it,
and then anything else.

Speaker 22 (02:14:41):
Is like I said before, you just play it how
it lies.

Speaker 35 (02:14:44):
So yeah, pretty much just really focused on the start,
waiting for that beep and then just breath into it
as hard as I could.

Speaker 3 (02:14:52):
Well, I think about the final I think probably the
British peddler Joe Clark probably the favorite. I guess if
you were going to you know, list out who was
the gold medal favorite. But man, that that final, man,
you just gunned it from the start. Were never you know,
no one even challenged you. Was that like almost a
perfect race for you?

Speaker 13 (02:15:10):
The final?

Speaker 35 (02:15:13):
Yeah, I mean, I guess any any race that you
wins the perfect race, but in this crazy, crazy sport
it is. But I mean when I look back, I
actually I actually let go of my paddle when I
landed off the ramp.

Speaker 22 (02:15:28):
Wow, which I didn't even realize.

Speaker 35 (02:15:31):
When I was in the race, but when I look
back and watched the slow mo, Yeah, my second strokes,
I landed on the right stroke and then my left
stroke went in the water and came up underneath the
guys beside me his boat, and so my hand came
off and then I did a right stroke and then
grabbed it again. So I think that was just like
the zone I was and how much intent that I

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really I wanted to head it with I did. I
just was zoned into two just going and yeah, I
mean the two beside me, Joe, who was probably the favorite,
and then the German.

Speaker 22 (02:16:06):
Guy nowhere just clash paddles a little bit. And then
that gave me a bit of free water.

Speaker 35 (02:16:10):
And I could just build a lead from there, and
from there I could back my like my technique and
my fitness as well. So you know, we've done almost
ten days of racing until that day, but I knew
that I was in really good shape and I've got
a good, good fitness space behind me. So yeah, basically,

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going to the finish, I knew that if I could
just hold enough of a gap in front of Joe
and get around that last upstream before him, it would
be It'll be all mine. But yeah, if I think
about it, it's quite funny because you know, going into
the last up stream, I know I'm leading the Olympic Games,
and if I execute that, then I'll be the Olympic Champion.

Speaker 22 (02:16:52):
And it's sort of like all of.

Speaker 35 (02:16:54):
Those things are just trying to pull yourself out of
the moment, and and you know, I'm really proud of
the way that I could really focus and stay in
the moment and actually execute that and then afterwards let
myself realize, because yes, it's pretty easy to lose track

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of focus and just you know, for a split second,
and then things can go wrong pretty fast.

Speaker 22 (02:17:20):
So yeah, I'll say it.

Speaker 35 (02:17:21):
Was a perfect race.

Speaker 3 (02:17:23):
How much, how much. Did your life change after Paris?

Speaker 22 (02:17:28):
Yeah, pretty significantly.

Speaker 3 (02:17:32):
I saw you everywhere. Man, you're an All Blacks test.
You're everywhere people recognizing you. It must have been quite
different when you got home.

Speaker 35 (02:17:38):
Was it. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty different. Yeah, we're
pretty unknown in general, and then yeah, sort of having
people recognize down the street and the coffee shop or
you know, getting invited into the All Blacks changing rooms.

Speaker 22 (02:17:53):
And it was pretty wild.

Speaker 35 (02:17:56):
So yeah, it's been. It's been awesome to be fair.
You know, like I'm just super lucky to have found
a passion and I like that I can you know,
I was able to do on the big stage, and.

Speaker 22 (02:18:12):
You know, like the coolest thing is when people come
up to you and just say, look, oh, we we
loved watching you. It was an awesome sport and you.

Speaker 35 (02:18:19):
Know, we're really really proud of you. And you know,
you people say, you know that I gave a lot
of joy to a lot of Kiwis, and man, that
that means a lot for sure. So yeah, it's been,
it's been busy. I'm back into training now, so yeah,
we're back on track to to go again for another

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four years.

Speaker 3 (02:18:41):
That's good to hear. How many people, do you reckon
have seen or touched your gold medal?

Speaker 22 (02:18:45):
Hundreds Yeah, yeah, hundreds, hundreds, that's for sure.

Speaker 35 (02:18:49):
I mean I went when I came back straight out
to the Olympics, I went back down south to Alexandria
and went into my old schools and then a few
of the other schools in town, and yeah, you know,
all of those little kids having a having a hold
of it and having a look and just, man, it's
something that I probably didn't realize would.

Speaker 22 (02:19:10):
Be as cool as it is.

Speaker 35 (02:19:13):
Just seeing you know, kids eyes light up and just
and seeing their their dreams, you know, just tacking away
in their heads.

Speaker 22 (02:19:22):
It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 35 (02:19:23):
So man, to be able to bring that thing back
back home to Centure Targo and show those cads that
you know, someone in there and their position from their school,
you know, can can dream big and go and do
whatever they want.

Speaker 22 (02:19:38):
So yeah, it was pretty cool.

Speaker 35 (02:19:40):
But definitely a few people have touched it and hold
it and put it on, But I'm pretty proud of it.

Speaker 22 (02:19:46):
So to be able to share it with people is
really special.

Speaker 3 (02:19:49):
So you should be so you should be fun and
one of the undoubted highlights of the year for sure.
You gave us all a lot of a lot of
pleasure in those few days in August, my friend, and
you've you've earned every plot that you've got. Thanks for
joining us today, mate, all the beast for the next
Olympic cycle roll on Los Angeles twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 22 (02:20:06):
I guess, yeah, yeah, thank you very much.

Speaker 35 (02:20:09):
Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm sort of I'm happy now to
be back into routine and yeah, looking forward to next
four years of trying to get better and yeah, keep pushing.

Speaker 22 (02:20:21):
Thanks, so, yeah, thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 3 (02:20:23):
Thank you for joining us. Finn really appreciate it, Finn.
Butcher there Geez just totally unaffected by it all. Isn't
he just the same bloke who headed off to Paris,
but now with a gold medal and much more to come.
What a pleasure to catch up with Finn to reflect
on one of the great moments of our sporting year,
his gold medal and the kayak cross at the Paris
Olympic Games two twenty eight. Just updating you on some

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live sport. There's some Halliburton Johnston Shield cricket going on
around the place. Three matches and our women's fifty over
competition at Bayoval, matt mongoaneruy Auckland all out one nine
to four. Northern Districts will set off shortly in their
chase for one ninety five to win that one in
a lungy order. Otago have made two forty seven for
seven from their fifty overs. Debri are under way seven

(02:21:07):
without loss after one over there and at the Basemin
Reserve Wellington all out one thirty two. The Central Hinds
are twenty six for two in the twelfth over. In
reply to that, chasing one hundred and thirty three to
beat Wellington there. When we come back, we'll flick our
attention across to football. The All Whites are in an
international window right now. Big win over Vanuatu Friday night

(02:21:30):
in Hamilton eight one. They take on some more at
Mount Smart tomorrow night. Michael Boxel is on the show
with us right after this.

Speaker 2 (02:21:39):
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Speaker 1 (02:21:40):
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Speaker 3 (02:21:50):
Well are we two thirty two? The All Whites have
secured their place in the semi finals. Of Oceania World
Cup Qualifying.

Speaker 41 (02:21:58):
Nice touch from Garbic Garbic, Oh, yes, that's super, that's separate,
so has ct on the Scoorel board.

Speaker 4 (02:22:10):
What beautiful lead up work from Matt Garbage.

Speaker 3 (02:22:13):
Yeah, that was one of New Zealand's eight goals on
Friday night. An eight one win over Vanawatu in Hamilton
has confirmed their place in the semi finals of oceanny
A World Cup qualifying tomorrow night. They meet some more
at Mount Smart in Auckland or Whites defender Michael Boxel
is with us on Weekend Sport. Michael, thanks for taking
the time. I can't imagine there would have been too

(02:22:33):
many grumbles after Friday night from the coaching staff during
the debrief that you've had around that game with there.

Speaker 17 (02:22:40):
I'm a deeper flaired today, but I think overall where Yeah,
get a professional job. Obviously as a defender, not too
happy to get a clean sheet, but I don't know,
like gooes against you sometimes. But we're delighted with the
crowd that showed up in Hamilton and we were happy
we've got to put on a bit of show for
the show for them.

Speaker 3 (02:22:59):
When you go into a game as overwhelming favorites as
you were and will again be tomorrow night. How do
you go about keeping and it's nice and high and
not letting any complacency creeping.

Speaker 17 (02:23:11):
I mean, to me, it's about not taking these games
for granted. I think, I mean, my, yeah, Tennel, even
whatever it is your career, we haven't played a whole
lot of games in New Zealand, so we can't just
kick him place and I'll let these kind of go
by the wayside. So we know that and as a
group we're trying to I mean, there's we've got some
quality players for trying to inspire, like the next generation

(02:23:33):
of Chilly footballers, so we can't show up and give
anything but one hundred percent. So I think we showed
that with the response to when they equalized, And I
mean when you see Garbs and Marco and then Supprit
to come off the bench and kind of do their thing.
And obviously Woods's he's just on top of his game

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right now, so to see him doing what he's doing
in front of home fans is pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:23:58):
And not just attacking players if you, as you've outlined,
but some good young defenders coming through as well, and
Nando Poinik has been around for a while, but for sermon,
Tyler Bindon, how have you assessed their development?

Speaker 17 (02:24:11):
I mean, yeah, obviously it's a big gap between myself
and them, so we've needed some someone to backing up
when I'm when I'm ready for a wheelchairs obviously. Yeah,
Finn making a big step up to MLS, and I
think Tyler's really coming on. I think obviously you see
his footballing progress in the field, but I think off

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the field he's going to going to be a big
leader for us going forward.

Speaker 3 (02:24:37):
Does the competition for places in the All Whites right
now feel about as fierce as it ever has during
your time in the national side.

Speaker 17 (02:24:46):
It's got to be up there, I'd say, yeah. Obviously
I've been on both sides of it, where I'm on
the outside looking in and and also kind of fighting,
fighting to keep my place, And I think, yeah, I'm
even at my age, still having to stay as sharp
as possible to to make sure I genuinely earn a
mask spot on the team. And yeah, as you mentioned, Finn, Tyler,

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Nandov just keeping everyone honest, and I think it's you
can say that for almost every position on the field.

Speaker 3 (02:25:15):
We've touched on one of the hallmarks of your career,
and that's been your ability to you know, to stay fit,
to stay you know, athletic, to be as quick pretty
much as you always have been. What what's been behind that?
What is the secret of your ability to to seemingly
not age at all?

Speaker 17 (02:25:34):
Obviously I just enjoy it. I just love playing the game,
love love training. Still at this age, trying to improve
every day. Every off season I probably won my season
is I probably take one or two days off and
then straight into the gym. Obviously, we've got a really
good sports scientists and who who puts through from puts
me through my paces.

Speaker 22 (02:25:54):
So I don't know.

Speaker 17 (02:25:56):
I still love the challenge.

Speaker 21 (02:25:58):
IOUs.

Speaker 17 (02:25:58):
We've got a goal in nineteen months time that I
want to be a part of, so just and all
I can to make sure I'm not just there but
generally helping helping the group out.

Speaker 3 (02:26:11):
In last month, you signed a new deal with your
MLS club, Minnesota United, for next year another option for
twenty twenty six. You've been there since what twenty seventeen,
the club's all time leading appearance maker. How do you
reflect on your time at Minnesota United?

Speaker 17 (02:26:26):
I mean when we first moved there with my wife,
we probably only planned it to be there for yeah,
two or three seasons, but as we've kind of my
daughter's settled down, my son was born there and it's
a beautiful place. Tore aids the family and the football
and the MLS has really grown over the last five
six years. So it's allowed me to grow as a

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person as a player as well. So yeah, it feels
a lot like home, and my family's really settled there,
and obviously that league's come a long way and going
to keep growing with the big names are signing and
then after with the World Cup heading there in twenty
twenty six, a.

Speaker 3 (02:27:02):
Lot of your all Whites football box. He's been alongside
Chris Wood. You mentioned him easily before. What have you
made of his recent seats in the in the Premier League?

Speaker 17 (02:27:12):
I mean everything before this, the last two seasons, I
think he's been so ungraded and I think it's just
amazing to see him get his due rewards and recognition.
I think, I mean, I can't say enough about how
much playing for the country means for him. I mean,
he does not miss a single window, possibly at the

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detriment his club career, flying halfway around the world for
these World Cup qualifiers and Vanowasu last month, and yeah,
he just loves playing in this country. He loves getting
back in New Zealand and he's yeah, obviously doing a
lot for football of this country. And it's cool to
see that young players get to see him in the flesh.

Speaker 3 (02:27:54):
And you've been around this team for a long time now,
how special would it be for you to be part
of a team that went to a World Cup?

Speaker 17 (02:28:02):
Yeah, obviously when I I think my kind of first
memory of your watching Nelie and Duncan and Samone Elliott
melt Smart and the probably the late nineties, and then
obviously seeing what they did in the world stage in
South Africa. And I think speaking with some of the
younger players on this team right now and how many

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were inspired by that twenty ten World Cup journey. So
I think that if we could do something special and
inspire the next generation of all whites and young footballers
in New Zealand and that they would mean a lot
for this whole group.

Speaker 8 (02:28:39):
I bet.

Speaker 3 (02:28:40):
And when's this first goal of yours coming at international level?
Tyler Tyler Binden even got one the other night.

Speaker 17 (02:28:46):
Adam I'm I'm trying not to break Jeremy Brocky's record.
You know, I'd like to like to stay behind him
on the just be one goal behind Brocky. It's not
too bad, you know his record as a goal scorer.
If I set one goal behind Jeremy Brocky, I'm happy
with that.

Speaker 3 (02:29:00):
Love it, Love it Boxy. All right, hey, well, thanks
for joining us this afternoon, mate, Really appreciate your time.
All the best against some more. Look forward to to
catching up perhaps when you arrive in Wellington in the
new year.

Speaker 17 (02:29:09):
Would love that great ching w with you, Bunny.

Speaker 3 (02:29:11):
Thank you mate, Now you take care too, ox see.
Thanks indeed, Michael Boxer there, veteran All Whites defender, one
of the fittest guys in his mid to late thirties
you'll ever see, still mixing up with the youngsters. Still
a big part of this All White squad played the
ninety minutes the other night as they beat Vanderwie to
eight one tomorrow night summer at Mount Smart Stadium. Anyone

(02:29:31):
in the Auckland area, and when I see the All
Whites in a rare appearance on home soil in recent times,
there's your opportunity. They are, as I mentioned before, now
a surer place in the Oceania qualifiers for the next
World Cup. The semifinals now they will take place on Friday,
the twenty first of March next year at Sky Stadium

(02:29:52):
in Wellington. If the All Whites win their semi final,
then on the Monday that follows, Monday the twenty fourth
of March at Eden Park in Auckland at seven o'clock,
they will play for a place at the next World Cup,
the next fief of World Cup, which will be in
the United State, eight, Mexico and Canada in twenty twenty six.
Direct entry for the winner of Oceania, which has never

(02:30:13):
been the case before. So the All Whites tantalizingly close
now to a place at the next FIFA World Cup.
Nineteen to three. News Talks B will flick our attention
back to mop up the final, but a rugby chat
when we come back.

Speaker 2 (02:30:26):
It's more than just a game.

Speaker 1 (02:30:29):
Weekend Sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Gardnerhomes New Zealand's
most trusted home builder.

Speaker 2 (02:30:35):
News Talks n B.

Speaker 4 (02:30:36):
Sport feeds now the All Black Fryer search Sport again.
The disrupted the front.

Speaker 6 (02:30:45):
Rug kitten.

Speaker 3 (02:30:50):
Yeah, I love it from Elliott Smith.

Speaker 6 (02:30:52):
How did he do that?

Speaker 3 (02:30:52):
Yeah, I've watched that a few times. This all can't
quite work it out. He's gone to kind of strip
the ball, has Cam Royguard the number eight's kind of
thrown a half a past to find his half back
to pont hasn't got there. Roy Guards grabbed the ball
run away and scored a try. How does he reflect
on today's test at Started de France, which took place
on his twenty fourth birthday. Well, Elliot Smith caught up

(02:31:13):
with Cam roy Guard shortly after the final whistle.

Speaker 4 (02:31:15):
Well, commiserations. Probably not the birth of prison you're after,
But how did you feel out there? And where do
you think?

Speaker 17 (02:31:20):
It was? Sort of one and loss with Bill Plex Yeah.

Speaker 36 (02:31:22):
I think we did a good job of creating opportunities.
You know, we had a lot of ball in the
ideas of the field, but I guess we just weren't
able to execute when we needed to and weren't accurate enough,
probably forcing past us a little bit early, which probably
kept them in the game and they were able to scramble,
you know, or pounce.

Speaker 17 (02:31:39):
Off those opportunities.

Speaker 3 (02:31:40):
So yeah, I think.

Speaker 36 (02:31:44):
A tough game, you know, like it was oh, you
know when they had momentum, ball and player, it was
pretty chaotic and that's how they liked to play. And
you know they showed you know that when they got
a couple of their tries and like I said, we
created a lot but just were enable to quite finish there.

Speaker 4 (02:31:59):
It felt like when they got the momentum shortly after halftime,
Tho would determined not to let it slip.

Speaker 17 (02:32:03):
Did you feel that out there?

Speaker 36 (02:32:04):
Yeah, definitely, it was probably we could have had a
worse start. To be honest, for that second half.

Speaker 22 (02:32:09):
You know, they're a very.

Speaker 36 (02:32:10):
Passionate side and that was probably the spark that they needed.
You know, if it was on the other side of
it and we got some points early or I guess
played in that, you know, in their half, we probably
could have had an opportunity to put them away. And
like I said, they're a passionate side and getting their
tails up by that they're pretty hard to stop. And
RUMs you know, he's a great kicker, you know, didn't

(02:32:31):
miss one tonight. It was a great test match, awesome
part of but yeah, just big game.

Speaker 3 (02:32:37):
Small Mudgeins talk us through that.

Speaker 4 (02:32:38):
Try what you what we're seeing is Aldric got the
ball at the back of the scrum.

Speaker 3 (02:32:42):
Yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 38 (02:32:44):
We were putting.

Speaker 36 (02:32:44):
You know, they're scrum under a lot of pressure. Our
forward pack, you know, set piece wise was awesome. So
that's scrum in line it as well, putting some real
heat on them. And I was able to, I guess,
get ahold of the eight and I could how he
was looking for an off flow, so I sort of
let him try do it and manage to get in
the way and surprise myself a little bit. And there's
a bit of fresh air there and yeah, pretty please,
I guess that.

Speaker 3 (02:33:05):
Is Camra Regard speaking to Elliot Smith after the game.
A couple of texts through before we move on from Joe.
This is exactly the type of game this morning all
Rugby fans want to see. Shame the All Blacks didn't
get the win, but there's enough evidence to suggest that
this team is going to be a very very good one.
I think Midfield's still work on, but our scrummer is
becoming a real weapon. Nearly a year under the belt

(02:33:27):
for Razor and with the blooding of new players, this
makes for an exciting future. Roll on twenty twenty five
couldn't agree more, and this from Aiden in Dunedin. I
can see the razor effect on this team, not on
patterns or play, but on mindset. Look At the arrival
of new players into the squad and their contribution. Look

(02:33:48):
at the energy and effort of the more senior players.
Look at the skill set development of those players. Look
at the trust these lads are showing in their game
plan and each other. This is a team that are
playing for each other and for the jersey. This is
a team wanting to get better. This is a team
that are coming together well, with many combinations emerging. When
the lads got on the plane for the Northern Tour

(02:34:10):
talk back expected two to three losses and inability to
score in the last twenty minutes and an absent bench.
Reality has far exceeded expectations. I'm excited, says Aiden for
what comes next. I don't thank you for sending that
in well articulated, well articulated. Indeed. Antoine du Pont, of course,
was the victorious captain this morning, the French half back.

(02:34:33):
He answered a couple of press conference questions in English
after the game as well. Firstly, how does it feel
to beat the All Blacks.

Speaker 36 (02:34:41):
And secondly, do you think you'll come to New Zealand.

Speaker 17 (02:34:44):
To try and beat them again next year?

Speaker 37 (02:34:47):
It's always special when you have the opportunity to play
the old block, especially in y reason to start their
front with with this atmosphere. So it was a really
great game for us for.

Speaker 3 (02:35:00):
That tough game.

Speaker 37 (02:35:02):
We did a lot of me taking in the first
half and the second part of the game was better
for us where we play in their side and we
were able to score some choice for yes, through a
great victory for us, and I don't I'm not able
to see it unswer for the second question for.

Speaker 3 (02:35:23):
The woman, sorry, come down at one you know you
want to come down here, or maybe he doesn't. Wouldn't
it be so good if they brought a full strength
side next year? You know all the talk has been
that you are they're going to leave a whole bunch
of players at home. But imagine that French side from
this morning coming down here for is it three tests
next year? At least two could be three. Imagine that

(02:35:47):
side coming down here next year. It'll be such a leaddown.
Mind it if it's an under strength side, given the
fact that well that's three games. That's three we'll spread
out over four years admittedly, but that's three tests wins
in a row for France over the All Blacks. Now,
surely they'd want to come down here and you know,
try repeat the dose down here. I don't know. I

(02:36:08):
know there's more at play than what I'm saying, but
be great to see them down here. Email from Leon Piney.
I respect James mcconey and his opinion, but on this
rare occasion, I have to totally disagree with him on
the topic of footy converts. If we're including players from
both sides of the Tasman it is not even close.
Number one is undoubtedly Brad Thorne, who in league won

(02:36:29):
NRL Premiership titles, State of Origin Series and honors with
the Kangaroos. In rugby union, n PC Super Rugby, All
Blacks and European honors as well. For me, Sunny Bill
is a close second with NRL KEI we Super Rugby
and All Blacks glory too. Then there is daylight between
them and the rest of the field. Very hard to

(02:36:49):
disagree with my hot take, Jason says Leon ext Leon, Yes, well,
I tend to agree. I tend to agree that brad
Thorne seems to be the gold standard when it comes
to players who have achieved success in both the fifteen
and thirteen Man games. I guess we'll wait to see
what Joseph Swa can do moving forward for the Wallabies

(02:37:10):
over the next few years with a rugby World cap
and Alliance tour to put himself on the on the
world stage. Rugby Whites. Nine to three News Talk's.

Speaker 1 (02:37:18):
EB breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails
Weekend Sport with Jason Lyme News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (02:37:28):
Coming up six away from three. I think that just
about wraps up Weekend Sport for another Sunday and another weekend.
I can't think of anything that we haven't done that
we'd planned to do, and even if we had missed
anything out, we've kind of run out of time because
Tim Beveridge is banging on the studio door saying, come on,
it's time for the weekend Collective Sunday edition. So who
am I to stand in the way of one of

(02:37:50):
the true stars of News Talks EDB and Tim Beveridge,
And you come, Tim, you can go on the radio
after three o'clock. Thank you for listening in appreciate that
you're a someone with a busy life and that anytime
you spend with us we greatly appreciate. Huge thanks to
Andy mcdo as always for producing the show, answering all
the phones, pulling together all the audio and the interviews.

(02:38:11):
Thanks mate, have an excellent afternoon. We're back by the
way tomorrow night between seven and eight on Sports Talk.
I guess we could re litigate some of the rugby
if that is what we choose to do the All
Whites played tomorrow night. There's other bits and pieces going on.
If Wales happened to beat Australia tomorrow morning, maybe we
can get some well shrug bey on. I don't know.
It's all just blue skying really and working in not absolutes.

(02:38:36):
So I think we'll wait to see what happens over
the next twenty four hours or so before we come
up with our lineup for Sports Talk tomorrow night. In
terms of an exit song today, well, we were in
Paris this morning. All the All Blacks were for their
test against the French. We saw some aerial shots, including
the Eiffel Tower of course, and it just made me
think about the James Bond film. A view to a Kill,

(02:39:00):
which was filmed on location in Paris, among other places.
I can't remember where else that movie because but it
certainly took us to Paris. Duran Duranne had the soundtrack.
So it's a view to a Killed taking us out today,
Some Beaver Chapter three have a great afternoon. Mark a chest.

Speaker 6 (02:39:21):
Fifty's a chest to die.

Speaker 3 (02:39:37):
Kids Fine, Broken.

Speaker 35 (02:39:49):
The Kids.

Speaker 1 (02:39:57):
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