Full Show Podcast: 29 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello Kiota, good afternoon and welcome into the Sunday edition
of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB, September twenty nine.
Hope you're not too bleary eyed after one lass our sleep.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Fin's Mackenzie checks it over the touch line the Capital
Paersens and the All Blacks when Sampagne's one hundred is
final on home soil.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
TJ.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Penin Ora's final on home soil thirty three thirteen over
the Wallabies at sky Stadium.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Ever, Griff of All Blacks and Wellington last night, breaking
the run of five winless outings at sky Stadium, All
Black's assistant coach Scott Hansen standing by the chat with us.
We'll hear the parting thoughts or the thoughts of a
couple of deeparties Sam Kine, TJ. Pettenada. They may well
still feature in the end of year tour of course,
but on home soil. That is it for those two

(01:18):
the morning after thoughts of Scott Robertson as well. He
in the last hour or so has addressed media at
the team's downtown Wellington hotel. But it's your reaction. I'm
really keen to heir lines open immediately and across the
afternoon for you to summarize last night and if we
zoom out of it, your appraisal of the first nine
test matches of the year, six wins, three losses for

(01:41):
the AB's what's your assessment of where they are as
they take away break now before the end of year tour.
Lots of other things around today to chat as well.
Confirmation Friday that kee we driver Liam Lawson will replace
Daniel Ricardo at the Racing Balls Formula One team for
the rest of this year. Going to drill down into
that with Eric Thompson. After one o'clock, the Silver Ferns
opened the three game Tiny Jamison Trophy series against England

(02:03):
tonight at Trust's Arena. Defender Kelly Jackson ahead of that
after two, the break is up and running in the
new Australian National Basketball League season. They've got a game
tonight at Spark Arena against the South East Melbourne Phoenix
guard Mitch mccaron with us ahead of that. The Black
Ferns open their WXV one program three o'clock tomorrow afternoon
in Vancouver against Ireland assistant coach Mike Delaney. On that

(02:26):
and Race three of the America's Cup Challenger series between
Innye Ospretannia and Luna Rossa timed out overnight in light wins,
but it was a very interesting day on the water.
They got quite a bit of racing done and it
was only the dropping of the breeze that stopped them
from being able to get the race done. Elite Match
Race and America's Cup commentator Christille out of Barcelona two

(02:49):
and James mcconey with his regular Sunday offering so lots
to get through live sport as well to keep an
eye on. This afternoon. The penultate round of the Bunnings
ENDPC North Harbor Canterbury Albany five past two Harbor, needing
to win to keep their quarter final hopes alive. Southland
Wakeutta at the same time Number Cargol. The Stags cannot
make the quarters, but a win for Whitecattle would consolidate

(03:11):
their place in the top eight and opening weekend, and
Football's National League for men and women will keep eyes
on this afternoons games as well. Your calls and correspondents
continue to be the bedrock of the show, though you
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Speaker 1 (03:35):
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Speaker 3 (03:46):
Through the line, through the nice past minute, crown over
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the All Black firs.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, the first of five tries for the All Blacks
last night thirty three thirteen winners over the Wallabies or
Blacks Assistant coach Scott Hansen is with us. Good afternoon, Scott.
What pleased you most about last night?

Speaker 5 (04:08):
The last number of weeks, We've had some really good
weeks in regards to preparation and last night we just
stacked some better moments into our performance.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
So the most pleasing.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Thing for us is probably how we controlled the territory
and applied pressure on Australia down here into the field,
and there was moments in those games where we had
really good control, so pleasing around that. Also, defensively, the
boys put in some really good sets really around the
goal line d and they shared a lot of confidence

(04:38):
and courage that ifend the line, So some pleasing moments.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I was going to ask about that the line defense
especially started the game and then again latter stages of
the second half, even though in the second half the
result was pretty secure. How proud do you feel of
a team that is still willing to put their bodies
on the line like that.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Yeah, well very much so. It's it's sort of expected
in the all black jersey, but in Australia are very
good attacking side. They showed some subtlety and some a
depth to their attack take some different areas and the
challenged us and it was really good to see that
the great work that Times has done defensively and the

(05:16):
leaders out there doing a really good job around just
being composed really with defense, you've got to endure sometimes
and we did a good job enduring and got a
card in the end, which has been a work on
for us. And that's it's basically a lot of pressure
building up, but overall we're pleased with for a lot

(05:37):
of years of our game.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
Last night, So.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Nine test matches down for twenty twenty four, are you
where you want to be?

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Oh, there's definitely things for us has to work on
and we continue to There are still areas in that
game last night example, whether that skill set, execution, or
maybe even some game structure that we've got to continue
to evolve. Overall, we're building as I said, may our
weeks have been good around our preparation. I thought the

(06:07):
scood barriers have keptain last night, really controlled the game
well around as game management understanding where to put Australia
into the corner or taking points. So a lot of
really good growth in that game. But we're always looking
to be better obviously, so.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
As you start thinking about the end of year tour,
which areas will take most of your focus as you
look for further improvement, the.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
Keep it will be as the group sitting down and
gain what are the three key areas in our game
to focus on, and many regards the less is better,
So what does that look like in our game? It's
just controlling territory that's been composed or anything out of.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Our heart and applying pressure.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
We saw last night and moments there where we held
position we looked really dominant. I Then in some other
stages there we went always as flauence as we could
have been around attacking space. So does that look like
in Europe? Understand the conditions going some very very good
teams at home up there. It's a massive challenge going

(07:15):
up there for us. But one we've already connected on
today as a group and spoken about and excited to
walk towards.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Is starting first five in this team still a live
discussion as your head North.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
It should be.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
It should be because when you begin all that team
it should be a hard one to pick. What we're
focused on is giving dmac dance the status team and
led it. And he's done that really well. And he's
only had a number of starts really consistently and a
little that career around the ten role on this year's
done really well building that what we have to do also,

(07:50):
Jason has built depth around that, and Body was given
that opportunity last night to lead the team around the
field from ten And the main thing for us is
just building that depth around our ten having a lot
of confidence and whoever that may be is out there
leading the team, putting the ball in front of the team,
getting us in the right areas of the field, and

(08:11):
it'll be a work on for us right through. So
really happy with where dmax at Body came in last night,
established his presence on the team, So we're definitely hitting
in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
They're both quite different players, aren't they, Scott. Can they
both implement the game plan that you're after.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Well, the beauty there is make that they've got there. Obviously,
they have different skills and skill sets around how they
lead lead us around the field. Still, when Damien came
on last night, just his intent to get to the line,
his ability to ship the short pass where his body
with his experience and gay management, just getting us into

(08:52):
locations that allow us to ply pressure the gifts and
the beauty that we have with both of his outstanding
players is they have different subtilties in their game which
we need. And then he added Wills Ordan and likes
around them. And now we've got game managers across the field,
so we continue to put it.

Speaker 6 (09:11):
But I thought body coming on last night and for
the week give us some great experience. And again if
I said.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Tim back for us has been eating up really well.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Also, Cam roy Gard's been with the group this week.
You reckon. He's on track to be in contention for
the interview tour.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
He's looking really good.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
He's coming.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
We just wanted to get our hands on him this
week around our medical and making sure that he's where
he needs to be. Also with our sessions allowed us
as coaches to see him and he's a great athlete.
He's in a really good spot. He needs putty. He's
possibly got a game or two coming up Counties. There's
no rush. We'll do what's best what we feel for

(09:51):
him and the team obviously, but excited to have Cam
back in the mix for sure.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
So he've been carrying three half backs during the Rugby Championship.
Cam makes four. How are you going to decide which
three you take with you?

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Yeah, good question, and that's something as all that selectors
will sit down and make those decisions based around what's
best for us. On the tour, and we've had an
iron building for the future and always been in done
a fantastic job around just being in an All Black environment.
He's learned what an all that test week looks like.

(10:25):
He's contributed really well. And now we look at the
Northern till we challenge ourself around what's best for this
group up there and what's best for us also the
lake forward, so it'll be some good conversations around that
for sure.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I saw you share a nice little moment post match
with Wallace Titi last night, just a nice little handshake
and a bit of a hug as Sam Kane was
preparing to get his presentation for one hundred tests. What
sort of All Black's future do you predict for Wallace
to Titi?

Speaker 5 (10:55):
He's just truously when you talk about Wallace a Titi
as a young man, a beautiful soul, very humble, his
strong belief in his family and his background and who
he is as a young man. And then you look
at Walla says an All Black was a young All
Black and he's taking test to test and the key

(11:16):
thing for us is to get him to draw and
enjoying his weeks to build his game yes, he's paying
grew well, supporting him around that, but also understanding that
he's a young he's a young All Black and he's
still learning his craft. As exciting as he is. What
his future looks like is we all hope what we're

(11:39):
seeing at the moment. He continues to grow his game,
the physicality that he has, that beautiful change of speed
when he takes it to the line, his ability to
get through and offer his offloads, and then for a
young man to continue to get up and get in
a defense line and look look for work, that's really
exciting for you still learn all about rugby to have

(12:01):
a twenty two year old stepping up and owning what's
in front of him now.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Indeed, and during the Australian post match media conference last night,
we could hear a pretty stirring Harker here going through
the wall from your changing shed, presumably for Sam Kane.
Can you tell us how special it was on there
after the game?

Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yeah, well, you know myself personally is about to sit
in the circle and watching All Black be on it
around achieving one hundred tests, which you know, Sam's the
thirteenth guy and All.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
Black history to do that.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
So firstly, a privilege to be there and to see it.
The ultimate respect for and All Black is for your
team to get up and perform the hucker for you
in respect of what you've done for the jersey and
you are as a man. And the last night TJ
left that for Sam. Sam had his family in the room.

(12:56):
It was a really special moment for all involved.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
And then.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Sam accepted the challenge and huck it back to the
All Blacks and it was a beautiful moment that will
be remembered for a long time.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
I bet congrats on the win. Scott. Thanks for your
time this afternoon.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
I think it good to talk here.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
No good to talk to you too, Scott. Thanks indeed.
Scott Hanson, assistant coach of the All Blacks, love your
thoughts now opening the lines. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Good performance from the All Blacks to wrap the Rugby Championship,
A performance that reassured us. I think that this All
Blacks team has the raw materials to consistently challenge the
top sides in the world. There are some tough test
matches coming up. Absolutely there are in November England, Island,

(13:37):
France in consecutive weeks and we'll learn more about the
team when those matches roll around, But for now it
feels us though things are trending in the right direction.
There was more than an our last night on both
sides of the ball to feel better about the progress
of this side than perhaps we have at other times
during twenty twenty four. Couple of players, Wallace Satiti exceptional

(14:00):
last night from a bloke playing out a position and
Justice third Test Test start, plenty of debate. You'll remember
when he was chosen ahead of Hoskins Setutu at the
start of the All Black season. I think we can
safely say they got that one right. What a player
while a Setti could be for us. Will Jordan at Fallback,

(14:21):
I think he's enjoying it. I'm going to it.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
Yeah, It's been good to get a few back to
back opportunities be able.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
To kind of work through it. So now I'm enjoying it.
I'm trying to get better with each game. He played
there often, of course for Razors All Conquering Crusaders. Last
night his third straight start there for the All Blacks.
The extra space he's got back there, the way he
assesses the game in front of him, the way he runs,
his elusiveness and broken play which led to another try
last night. Thirty five tries he's got now in thirty
seven Tests. No doubt he'll break Doug Halllett's record of

(14:48):
forty nine for most tries and Test matches by an
All Black. But his defensive work was good too. Under
the high ball the fifteen jersey Will Jordan's to lose
Now you'd have to think loving seeing Caleb Clark get
back to the form he showed when he first became
an All Black and twenty twenty he's drifted in and
out of it in the time since. Had that deliance
with sevens, of course, only played five Test matches. Last year,

(15:08):
Caleb Clark only two starts and only played in two
of the seven games at the Rugby World Cup, and
they were against Namibia in Uruguay. But this year he's
become the first choice left wing. A couple more tries
last night good all round showing despite that slightly mysterious
late yellowcut, and to Porvai, he's played every Test this year,
seven of the nine. From the start when Sam Wylock

(15:30):
and Brady Retallick left Locke was a position where it
didn't appear to be quite as much depth as we
would have liked. But he has stepped up well and
truly and there's a real contest now I reckon between
him and Patrick Tupelotu to partner Scott Barrett in the
second row. And just before we go to the lines
of word on the crowd last night, Wellington has been criticized,

(15:51):
and rightly so in recent times for not turning up
to test matches. Last night, they turned up a sold
out sky Stadium and right across the weekend a real
different kind of buzz around the city. It's what tests
right be used to feel like. Here in the Capitol
where I live, That's what it should feel like. May

(16:12):
there be many more nights like that? Winks for twelve
twenty three. Kick us off. Tell us what stands out
most for you about this team or what you saw
last night?

Speaker 8 (16:24):
Well, Piney, I'll never forget this test because Friday night
I had a dream and I dreamt the score was
going to be thirty three thirteen to the AABS.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Again and.

Speaker 8 (16:37):
Seriously, but you know, I never usually remember my dreams
like most people, and then I forgot about it till
just before the game. About half an hour before the game,
I remembered, so for a laugh, I just put on
Facebook the score is going to be thirty three thirteen,
and then halftime it was nineteen thirteen. So I thought,

(17:02):
the Wallabies have got there thirteen, it's unlikely they're not
going to score again in the second. And then I
thought the AB's had got to get too converted. Try
that's fourteen points more to bring to thirty three. And
it happened, and it's unbelievable. And even though I had

(17:22):
no money on it, of course, or anything like that,
I was really quite nervous and tense by this.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
At the end of the game, tell us, I wonder
why you went to Facebook and not the tab.

Speaker 8 (17:32):
I know, but see I'm not a sports better. But
if it happens again, yes, I'll be straight out there.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Tell us if you the next time you have a
dream about this was like a Martin Luther king, I
have a dream, the next time you have one, I'll
give you. I'll give you my number, Perhaps give me
a call and I'll go to the tab on our behalf.

Speaker 8 (17:54):
Okay, yeah, you know how to do it?

Speaker 9 (17:56):
Yeah, okay, I'll give.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
You can tell us text my well done and good
to get some kudos as well for putting the score
onto Facebook before it happened thirty three thirteen, it was
maybe your dreams are what we need to follow from
now on Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty spere line,
just the one there at the moment if you want
to jump aboard twelve twenty five back with more of
your calls right after this on the All Blacks the.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
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Speaker 3 (18:27):
It'd be two point five for Bota Barrett putting through
that line. Well, John Johnna's away bad again.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Torse the time, well Jordan twelve twenty eight as it
too soon, says this text to say Wallacer Titi is
the heir apparent to Artie Savia at number eight, with
black Adder at six following Yeah, I think wallas A
Titi certainly we'll have a claim to stake on the
number eight Jersey moving forward, what's Ardi thirty thirty one?
He might have all had one more World Cup, definitely,
I doubt I'll have another after that, so yeah, could

(18:56):
well be. And from this text to here, the debate
was never why Satiti over Satutu. It was why Jacobson
and Blackadder were chosen over Satutu. Don't be disingenuous with
your framing of this. That's not how I remember it
at all. I remember when the All Blacks were named,
we knew Artie was going to be there and they
were looking for a backup number eight. The two standout

(19:18):
number eights in Super Rugby were Hoskin Setutu and Wallace Atiti.
I always remember it as being which of the two
was going to back up Artie Savia. Even Braden Yosse
was in the equation as well. I think Jacobson and
Blackadded were, I mean they very well. Jackson played a
bit of number eight before Wallace a Titi took that spot.
I don't remember black Added playing number eight much at

(19:40):
all for the Crusaders. In fact, I'm almost positive he
didn't have a game there. So I don't think I'm
being disingenuous when I say that there was genuine competition
between Sotutu and Satiti for backup number eight, they gave
it to Wallace. And even though he hasn't played at
number eight. He's been the right choice without a shadow

(20:02):
of it. Out get a Chris.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
You know.

Speaker 10 (20:05):
I want to to do a bit of a reflection
on the season, and I'm going to give Razor and
his team a pass mark because our loss to Argentina
for me was a little bit of a you know,
a question mark. But then when they went on to
beat South Africa the other weekend, it shows me that
that lost to Argentina, it's just the gap has shrunk

(20:29):
between these four sides so much in the last twenty years.
So the fact we lost two tests within seven points
in South Africa, yeah, I think we're not as bad
as a lot of pundits are throwing around.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I agree, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 10 (20:45):
After luck, it showed me the guys when they do
gel they are on fire. And it's it's just a
case of we played the South Africans twice in South Africa.
Next year they're going to come to New Zealand play
twice and.

Speaker 6 (20:58):
I would success.

Speaker 10 (20:59):
I would expect the South Africans and notoriously bad travelers,
we can reverse those results. So I think we're sitting
in a development stage. I mean, we lost one third
of our team maybe more than five hundred taps, so
we've got to give them a little bit of a
great period and they've shown development. So I'm proud of
the boys.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Nice one, Chris, Yep, I am too, And people are
already coming through on text. I love the glass half emptiest.
You've only beaten the number ten side in the world.
They're saying, you can only play what's in front of you.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
You can only play.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
It's not up to the All Blacks to decide. You
know where. You know where they are in the world
rankings compared to where the other teams are in the
world rankings. This one from Dan amazing how one game
can tell you the All Blacks are back. Let's be
real and see some more games before we say yes.
I don't think I ever seen the All Blacks are back.
I said, well, maybe I did not, Probably have to

(21:54):
go back and have a listen. But I think what
I said was that it was a reassuring performance. Scott
Hansen himself said, there's work ons here. Of course, there are,
there are absolut we work on here, but I think
it was promising. It was reassuring. You could see the
raw materials, you could see what they were trying to do,

(22:16):
and individually, I think there were, as I said before,
and other performances which really encouraged me. Dean continues, Wellington
was buzzing because you had WOW in town. Okay, Dean, Well,
I'm not sure that the thirty five thousand at the
stadium last night were also at WAU around the town. Yes,
there were certainly more people around, more of the WOW crowd,

(22:40):
But even Sam Kine and TJ Petinata said afterwards the
support and encouragement they felt in ground last night was
something very different, particularly from Sam Kaine. TJ has had
a lot of games there, particularly from Sam Kane. He said,
it was very different from some of the other games

(23:01):
they've played there. So look, I would prefer, I think,
to put a positive lens on this. That's okay. I
understand why people might want to downplay a win over
a team that's down on its luck a little bit.
I'd prefer to focus on some of the positives from
the performance last night, But then that's just me. Hello grunt.

Speaker 11 (23:20):
Yeah finally. Now, first off, I'm going to do something
I've never ever done before, and that is praise the
overall quality of refereeing, not just in all Black games,
but in games involving other teams. I thought that overall
it was the best refereeing performances for years.

Speaker 12 (23:37):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I thought he was good. I thought his communication was
very good. There were a couple of puzzling decisions, I
think for both sides and both captains Harry Wilson and
Scott Barrow. I mean, there was a lot of dialogue,
but I thought he explained his decisions really well. On
our radio call last night, Ross Bond, who's a pretty
tough task master when it comes to referee, set it
with one of the best dcene.

Speaker 11 (23:59):
Yeah, and in other games between other teams, like I
said that, you know, overall again, yeah you have the
odd old mistake and that sort of thing. But generally,
I guess made the head look at last year's performances
and said, are the referees, yes, we can do we
can do better. And as for the half empty glass
of people, I mean, we're not saying the All Blacks

(24:21):
are perfect, but to my mind, well the Aussies especially,
I mean, it was the best adia minute performance that
they've done, and it was the best Stadia minute performance
so far. That the All Blacks done. Obviously they can
get better, but you know that defense and the last
twenty minutes, it was just fantastic. And so far I

(24:43):
will nominate my player of the Year Knew will too,
actually newcomer Wallace the Tit who else, and to my
mind play the year so far the old timer Cody Taylor,
who was in the form of his life.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Oh, Grant, I can't argue with either of those. Cody
Taylor exceptional again last night and has been your right
across the entire season. He's now what's Summerstony Talkia were
not there and just on him. By the way, Scott
Robertson said today that Somemerstony Takaho won't go on the
interview tour. He's targeting Super Rugby next year for his return.

(25:18):
So Cody Taylor has had to shoulder a much bigger
load with less experienced tookers a Sapphire and George Bell.
He has been terrific. Cody Taylor absolutely magnificent. I agree
with both of those, Grant, Jeff.

Speaker 13 (25:31):
I mate, yeah, mate. The first thing I'd like to
say is a congratulations to the All Bracks for that
fantastic one, especially why they all played the only thing
I sort of in my heart because of watch so

(25:53):
many games of rugby for the All Blacks, Domi and McKenzie. Now,
I sort of felt that putting him on the bench
was not a very very fed to this guy. He's
dedicated and he's fast, and he's worth he you know,
I just don't think I just cannot agree with him

(26:17):
being stuck on the bench. And he only came out
for a few minutes last night. But that's not my decision, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Where would you play him? Where would you plan? Would
you are you saying you would play him at first
five as he has been or would you be starting
him at fullback? Where would you play them?

Speaker 13 (26:34):
Well, if we didn't want him as half back in
the kicker, well at least put him somewhere in the team.
And he and as far as I'm concerned, really he
should have been on that field straight away, all.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Right, Jeff. Yeah, Look, I think he's We had a
good chet about Tmak yesterday and I think we all
agreed that he hasn't quite cemented that spot. I thought
he was good off the bench last night. I thought
he came on added a bit of spark and at
first receiver Will Jordan went out to the wing, Buddy
went back to full back. That you know, we talk
about it being an eighty minute game in a twenty
three to man game, that may well be his role
to play for the moment, coming off the bench, adding

(27:13):
spark as we know he can do, finding little gaps
and running it tied defenders. I thought he had a
good game last night when he came off the bench
Damien mackenzie, and I didn't think he had to play
the full eighty minutes to do it. Thanks Jeff, appreciate it, Hi, Maris.

Speaker 14 (27:28):
Yeah it ain't mate, Yeah, okay. I had a good
look at that game and I'll watched it again this morning,
and I think that's probably one of the better games
I've played for a few years, and since the Clarity round,
what individuals did in their roles, and I thought Boden
Barrett at Keenan was It wasn't a master class, but
it was probably the best solid performance I've had in
that position where we've done things consistently. They made a
few mistakes in Rugby's eighty minute game. We can't be perfect,

(27:52):
and we don't know we have Dan Carter Rollingen, but
I just want to I think a big ups has
to go to Wayne Smith. And I think with the
way Barrett played, will be a flecchord of Wayne Smith,
because I don't think Barrett's played at the keen position
starting since Smith was part of the trucking stuff. And
I think another big thing is that what people don't
think will realize is that when they got rid of

(28:12):
the last coaching staff, it's.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
A whole new thing.

Speaker 14 (28:15):
You Jason Ryan was in there for a small period
of time, but it's a whole new thing. The team
is very much similar to what it was and you
will got to learn and it's not a Crusader's nominated
side to understand Robinson and so I think it's always
going to take time to pig down and that's what
we're forgetting. And I think Wayne Smith is involved and
we look at how they played the last half dozen games,

(28:36):
has had a bigger pet and I think that's a
good thing going forward because the coaching staff will learned
from him and so will everyone else.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yep, I mean whenever he's in the camp. Morris. I
think the camps improved by the Professor Wayne Smith. I
thought by them Barrett was assured last night, didn't try
to do anything too flashy. Some of us kicks I thought,
oh what's she doing there? But you know, a couple
little pop kicks over the top and he obviously saw
some space there. Will Jordan almost launched onto one, which
would have been spectacular. I just thought Buddy was assured

(29:05):
last night. Kicked his goals. I think he missed one
out of five, just a steady hand at first five.
And as I say, when Damian McKenzie came on, he
went back to fall back. Will Jordan out to the wing.
I think Will Jordan is the fallback moving forward. I
mean that's not a bold claim, I know when you're
seeing the way he's played the last three weeks. Remember,

(29:26):
of course he wasn't supposed to play there in Sydney.
It's only when body pulled out late with illness that
Jordan went back to fall back. But that's three straight
games in the fifteen Jersey, now Cape Town, Sydney and
last night. And not that he needs to grow into
the position itself, because he's been doing that with the
Crusaders for a long time. But as an All Black fifteen,
he's now I think becoming the player we hoped he would. Again,

(29:49):
it's early days. Again I reiterate, I'm not getting ahead
of myself. I'm not calling us World Cup, you know,
winners and waiting. It's twenty twenty four for starters. But
if you're looking for green shoots, and if you're looking
for areas of promise and you're looking for progress and growth,
I think you are seeing it. And Scott Robertson's All
Blacks twenty one to one speed line. If you want

(30:11):
to jump aboard a couple of calls there, we'll get
to in just a moment. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty back talking All Blacks again after this on Weekend.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Sport, the big issues on and after fields call. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekends forward with Jason.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
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Speaker 1 (30:27):
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Speaker 3 (30:31):
Now for Anton lend Bill Blacks kind of pipe on
half time.

Speaker 15 (30:38):
Bill Blacks get the reward.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, that was one just before halftime which stretched them
out to a seven point advantage. I think it wasn't
halftime or thereabouts. Twelve forty three from Josh Cam roy
Guard shout out. Took the time to chat to my
kid last night after the game made as night Todd Bloke, Josh,
you're right and that doesn't surprise me at all. Thanks
for holding Jason.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
Oh, it's all right mate. Hey listen just as well.

Speaker 16 (31:01):
We're all got you know, we all see things from
different perspective. I thought it was a massive opportunity lost.
And what I mean by that is that some of
the talk before you came on yesterday was all around
it was. It was the first signs that we saw
raisor panicking in terms of his record. If you look
at it before as all black coaching start career started,

(31:22):
he had no all. His record was exemplary.

Speaker 17 (31:25):
Lost nothing.

Speaker 16 (31:27):
Last night was a dead rubber. There was nothing to
win on the Rugby Championship. The Betislow was locked away
for another year. Why not answer the d D mack
once and for all, give him the four eighty minutes?
Why would just start him? Not start him and give
him nine minutes? It proved nothing.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I don't think he was trying to prove it. I
don't think he was trying to prove anything with Damien
McKenzie last night, Jase he's had seven test matches, He's
given them a staff for seven test matches. He gave
another blocker guy, another bloker go last night and Botim Barrett,
I don't think there was anything to prove around Damien
McKenzie last night.

Speaker 16 (32:01):
Well, it's been the big argument, the big you know,
is he up to test ball football? You know, is
he up to the hot test.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Arena or not?

Speaker 16 (32:08):
And we'd have to say for the starting time that
he's played this season, the jury was out. So again
my point is that it was a dead rubber. Bleslow
was locked away. We couldn't win the rugby championship. He
couldn't do anything in nine ten minutes. So for me,
that was a first sign of Razor panicking with his record.
You know, if he had lost that last night, let's

(32:29):
be honest, the knives would be out for him in
more than one way.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
So, yeah, they didn't lose. They didn't lose last night,
and I didn't think they ever looked like they would. Yeah,
well well I mean, but I mean just you just
said if they had lost last night, the knives would
have been out. Well, it never felt last night las
last night like they were going to lose that Test match.
I think bringing Damien McKenzie off the bench with ten
minutes to go was probably a look ahead to say, okay, well,

(32:55):
in a scenario where he does come off the bench
in an impact role which many people myself included to
think is his best position right now, how will he go?
He made a couple of little half breaks. He ran
it a couple of tired defenders. I think he did
what you want from an unpact player off the bench.
You shuffle things at the back, well, Jordan goes out
to the wing, body goes back to fullback. You know,
it's not it's not a wasted exercise. It's something which

(33:16):
may well happen again on the end of your tour.

Speaker 12 (33:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (33:19):
Again, it's an awful Aussie side. That's my whole point,
you know. But look, look, let's park that one one side.
There's a couple of really good ones. Last night the
reassurgence of Caleb Clark, massive tick. Cody Taylor match of
his match of age is brilliant tick. There was You know,
I don't like to be misteregative, but I just thought
it was a sign of Raiser really really looking at

(33:41):
his record, which which you can't blame them for doing
But you know, I saw that game as a bit
of a I don't know. I just was a bit
bored with it, to be honest. I thought it was
a bit ping pongy. But you know we've got the win,
all right.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Jason, Yeah, I saw it differently. But as you've said,
it's all about opinion, isn't it. The show exists on
that sort of thing.

Speaker 9 (34:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I prefer to look at it through a positive lens,
but I understand that there are other people who, you know,
who weren't entirely enamored with all they saw. Lyle Hi, Mate, Hello, Lyle, No,
not there. Let's go to Brent Hi, Brent.

Speaker 17 (34:17):
Good a finding how you're doing.

Speaker 9 (34:19):
Good?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Thanks, Brent Good.

Speaker 17 (34:21):
It's totald you a couple of weeks ago to a
simple game. Just hang on to the bloody ball.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I remember, yes, I remember this.

Speaker 17 (34:29):
Never a lot of trouble getting points if they haven't
got the ball.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Eh.

Speaker 17 (34:34):
Anyway, So the end of tour and the year tour,
when does that third?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
The first Test match against Japan is on the twenty
sixth of October, and then the following four weekends England, Ireland, France,
and Italy third ninth, seventeenth and twenty fourth of November.

Speaker 17 (34:53):
So the abs that they get released back to their provinces, now.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, they do some well, some will the ones who
haven't had a lot of game minutes. Brent will Be
will be released back. I think you'll see guy it's
like Will cam Roy Guard where he's obviously hasn't played
it all this year. But guys who haven't had a
lot of rugby, and I look at a guy like
dont and Papaleiti for example, who hasn't been involved for
the last couple of weeks. Noah Hotham will get released back.
David HARVILLI, Billy Proctor will probably play a couple of

(35:20):
games for Wellington, Passili or TOSSI. Guys like that, Guys
who have had less rugby summer. Penny Female another one
that they'll get released back and will probably play for
their provinces. Others I think the ones who you know
had quite a big body of work during the Rugby
Championship will have a rest. Now the team, the team
for the India to incidentally mate, is named on the
seventh of October. That's the that is I think Monday.

(35:44):
I think it's tomorrow week. Yeah, tomorrow week, the end
of year tour squad will be named thirty six players
on that tour.

Speaker 17 (35:51):
So as a theory, people talking about how good Taylor's playing,
there's a lot of a lot of the players that
seem to be peaking or playing quite well at the
moment are ones that have had injuries, or have had
sabbaticals and that sort of thing. They've had a fair
bit of time off.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, Taylor did, didn't He He didn't play a lot
for the Crusaders. He came back and sort of late
in the piece, didn't. Now, I forgotten that there's.

Speaker 17 (36:19):
Quite a few of them that have had various injuries
on and off during the season that it just did
it prove that they take too much, we won't get
a game.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, Brent, it's not. It's not an illogical thought, man. Yeah,
you're right about Cody Taylor. He was just going to
check the stature. But yeah, from memory, he came back
and really late in the piece. I think the first
game he started was see one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
The eleventh game the Crusaders played, he missed the first,

(36:51):
he missed the first ten, didn't play at all in
the first ten games for the Crusaders. Came back in
for the back end of the season, which I'm sure
he thought would include playoffs but didn't. Unfortunately. It's a good,
good thought, Brent. Yeah, maybe as fresh as a daisy.
You certainly play like it good to check mate, high Lyle.

Speaker 6 (37:09):
Yeah, you know mate.

Speaker 12 (37:10):
As for dead rubbers, I didn't think they existed in
its Cup matches as sure as hell didn't look dead
to the Australian side. I went the end of a
tab here on the gold Coase and are paying nine
dollars head to head for twenty two bucks and I'm
obviously electing the Bulls playing fifty one. So it was
a bloody good test match, probably a little bit closer

(37:32):
with the School Indicase, but considering Australia, we couldn't get
out of pool play at large as World Cup. Yeah,
that ki We coach was got us on the right tracks.
So I think, with all due respect, a lot of
the Kiwi fans just don't realize that mcgore carter for
Parmow and Assassin's Colins and none who are no longer

(37:54):
there and the other countries are just getting closer and
you haven't got the debt for you once dead, you know,
when flogging everyone for years and you know, it's the
same as a lot of rugular league saying tier. You know,
who would have thought that tollell would one day beat
Australia in New Zealand have been more than equal and
test matches and that over the last few years. I

(38:18):
think a lot of fans on both sides of the
tests and EVA code probably need to look at it
and they realized, you know, that the world's a lot
closer than would have never been.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Agree long, agree mate, get you back on the line. Yeah,
Australia might be the tenth best team in the world,
or ranked tenth in the world at the moment. And
I'm looking at the rankings, but are you telling me
that if they ran out against ninth ranked Figi, eighth
ranked Italy or seventh seventh ranked Scotland, they wouldn't be
favorites and probably wouldn't win. The rankings only tell some

(38:53):
of the story. Australia have had a terrible rugby championship,
that's the reason they've dropped in the rankings. But if
Australia went out and played Fiji. Look, I know Fiji
beat them at the Rugby World Cup, las ye didn't.
But at the moment, after what we saw from Fiji
when the All Blacks played them earlier in the year,
would you back Fiji to bit Australia right now? It

(39:15):
might be, you know, it might not even matter. But
if you're trying to pull down the All Blacks performances
by saying it was only against Australia, then you haven't
watched a heck of a lot of letters like Cup
rugby for me, because regardless of who is where in
the rankings, if Australia are tenth second or forty second,
they always turn up for bitterslow Cup matches last weekend

(39:37):
and Sydney proved that. Parts of last night proved that.
And it's not the All Blacks fault that Australia are
going through some tough times. They can only play what's
in front of them. Eight to one used talks B.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
The Scoop from the Track Fields and the Court on
Your Home of sort weekends for It with Jason Vine.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Used Talks NB five to one Special night for Sam
Kine last night, Here's one hundredth test. Here is he
or here he is afterwards, reflecting that a.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
Really enjoyable week.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
Aaron Smith sent me a message at the start of
the week with a few things that he'd got told
like leading into his hundredth and one of them was
that when people talk about it and do stuff, be
grateful and then appreciate it or rather than obviously sort
of brushing it off and just trying to stay so focused.

Speaker 6 (40:23):
On the game.

Speaker 7 (40:23):
So I did try and enjoy the moments throughout the week,
and yeah, look, there was plenty of special ones, mainly
from teammates and coaches and people who have got like
a lot of respect for sits. A lot of nice
words and pretty indescribable buzz running out first teammates and
down the tunnel and then onto the stadium. I think,

(40:47):
I think Wellington tonight and throughout even game day in
and around town the biggest buzz I've fiult around the place.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Played a few test matches here, So awesome week.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
Just hugely appreciative.

Speaker 7 (41:01):
Of everyone who's who's made it what it is, and
who's hugely appreciative to everyone who's health along the way.
Feel very lucky and privileged to now to pull on
the special jersey one hundred times.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Neat to see Sam kin get such a good ovation
last night. I thought they might have made more of
when he went off and when TJ went off it
almost kind of happened while other things were going on.
I thought they might have made a bit more of that.
But fact remains cool night for both Sam Kaine and
also for TJ pet and Adam News. Next to one,
then we'll zoom in on Liam Lawson.

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Speaker 2 (41:50):
Hello, Welcome into weekend Sport. Liam Lawson will race Formula
one for the rest of this year, replacing Daniel Ricardo
at the Racing Balls Formula one team. Eric Thompson standing,
why to chat to us about that? In a sec?
Your thoughts on this too? How big? How big is
this weekend? Open the lines on the rugby again as well.
Couldn't get everybody on the air before one. If you'd

(42:11):
like to make a contribution, we'll open the lines again.
James mconey also with his regular Sunday offerings. This out.
Debbie says Piney, can you please say happy seventy fifth
birthday to nineteen eighty two all white Adrian Elrick. Of course, Debbie,
of course it's your brother, I think, isn't it? Happy
birthday Adrian Elrick? What a player he was, Mac of

(42:36):
the Magpies say, is finally, what about those Magpies beating
up the big bully boys from Auckland. I saw that
Macca yesterday. I saw that result. I wasn't watching the game,
but I saw the result, Harry Godfrey kicking a conversion
from the sideline in the eighty fourth minute for Hawks
Bay to beat Auckland thirty six thirty five. And you

(42:58):
look at the NPC table and Auckland's North Harbor and Northland,
the three provinces that make up the bluesanchis are all
outside the top eight at the moment, and unless they
get their sketch on pretty quickly, won't play in the quarterfinals.
Auckland has still got a couple of games to go.
They're on nineteen points currently. Counties are eighth on twenty three.

(43:20):
Auckland have a game in hand, but they're four points behind.
North Harbor have a game in hand. They're five points behind.
Northland are out of it. They've got a game to
go and they're on thirteen points. So the Super Rugby
winning Blues and their provinces having very very different twenty
twenty fours, is there a correlation that. I'm pretty sure

(43:40):
there's no correlation here between winning Super Rugby and your
team's not doing very well in NPC. But it's just
an interesting little storyline. Confirmation came on Friday that can
We driver Liam Lawson is going to replace Daniel Riccardo
at the Racing Balls Formula One team.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 18 (43:57):
He's still going to try and make this move stick
as well. Leclaire drifts out at to the wide right
hand side Laws and slots.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Right back ins behind him. He's got to He's coming.

Speaker 18 (44:07):
Down the inside Liam Lawson and is one TV for
Alfredtari gets past charl Leclair and he is up. It's
a fifteenth place, but this boy has got an awful
lot of potential.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Hell read Ball obviously agree because Liam laws More race
alongside Yucus SONODA for the rest of the twenty twenty
four season. That includes nine races at six venues, six
four Grand Prix and three sprints. He steps up from
his reserve role, which he's held since twenty twenty two,
and we'll race for the first time this year anyway,

(44:38):
at the United States Grand Prix in Austin in three
weeks from now. Motor sport writer and analyst Eric Thompson
joins us to unpack this. Eric, this felt like it
was coming. It had been widely reported that this was
on the cards, but how significant is it now that
it is one hundred percent confirmed for Liam Lawson.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
I think for.

Speaker 19 (44:59):
Liam's perspective, his mum and dad, you know, his management
team and all the people that have supported him and
backed him and rode in cars amongst them all, I
think it's a great relief that they can actually stand
up now, Pinty and actually go, Yes, the contract has
been signed. We're locked and loaded till the end of

(45:21):
the year. And now it's basically everything is in Liam's
court now. You know, he and the team have got
him there. He signed the contract, red ball of gone. Yep,
We've got faith in you. You did a great job
last year. I mean, god, he got the points last
year and so this is him. It's up to him
now to actually make the most of this opportunity to

(45:43):
make sure that he gets a permanent seat for twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
For a guy who's used to go and at high speed,
how challenging would it have been for him to be
a bit patient around us. Oh there's one thing that.

Speaker 19 (45:56):
Some people have asked me in the past about. You know,
what do you think Set's Liam laws some above others.
It's his steely reserve and also he's incredibly analytic and
doesn't make rash decision but he's also quite honest and
self aware. If we remember from last year, based funning
enough at Singapore Grand Prix, when it was announced that
he would not be getting the drive, he basically came

(46:19):
out and said, hey, I can't quite figure this out.
I'm quick err and out qualified the other drive in
the team, and yet he gets signed up. I'm a
little bit puzzled. So you know that raw emotion means
he's not a machine. But it's also he sat back
and thought, Okay, you know I've got offers, I've got this,
but I look at my long term future like he's

(46:39):
really quite analytical, and he's not good support of course pinting,
but it's that analytical look at it what long term
would be my best option. Do I go to a
struggling team like a Hass or somebody like that that
maybe don't have the drive and the pedigree that Red
Bull have And he just hung in there and basically
you know they've come good. They said, right here we go,

(47:01):
here's your opportunity. It's up to you now.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
So listen just for the reminder of twenty twenty four,
as I mentioned, what will he have to do to
make sure that he retains that seat in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 19 (47:14):
Outqualify and finish in front of Sonata his teammate. It's
like in anything anything where you've got teammates, especially in motorsport,
the very first person you want to beat, regardless of
what the drivers say, how will they get on with
your teammates and how they have fun afterwards and stuff
like that, You want to beat your teammate buying without
a shadow of doubt, to prove that you are the

(47:36):
one that they should continue and vesting in. So that's
his thing. And also to keep the car clean, don't
break it, bend it, don't cause you know, added financial
griff for teams. Bring it home straight. But also even
if you can't outqualify Sonato, it's to finish.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
In front of him, all right.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
So this is Red Bull Racing's second team effectively, Max Forstappen,
Sergio pires the top combo at the moment. Is there
any circumstances under which Liam could replace Peiris in twenty
twenty five if Lawson rice as well for the rest
of twenty twenty four, is that a possible outcoming?

Speaker 19 (48:11):
Absolutely, And I think Helmet Mark and even Christian Horner
you know, had come to agree that for the future,
So you know, for somebody with Max as you know,
as you know, if the staff and stays in the sport,
even if he doesn't to invest in, Lawson does really
well and in the rest of the season, he'll be
setting himself up for a box seat drive for the

(48:33):
main Red Bull Racing team, you know, either alongside Max
the staff and if Max does decide he's had enough
because he's not allowed to swear anymore or anything like that,
which is the joke that is. But anyway, that's for
another discussion, pony. But the thing is that you know,
he's the future either way for that team, and that's
what they're sort of looking at and investing in is
to think Max will need a teammate because I doubt

(48:56):
that Perez will be signed up for next year. So
you know, there's a vacant seat there. There's a couple
of other juniors you know, floating around, but law and
could move into that seat. And I actually truly think
that's their plan red Bull, is to get them into
the main seat and then to get another youngster that
they've got on the wings into the junior team, shall

(49:17):
we call it.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I've had a suggested that Liam could have replaced Perez
straight away in the top team. That would have left
Daniel Ricardo retaining his place alongside Snoda. Did that ever
feel like that could be an option for them?

Speaker 19 (49:30):
Not before Mexico because you know, you know, Mexican driver
in Mexico, big big country, loads of people, you know,
and to raise the awareness to Red Bull, you know,
purely from a commercial point of view, you want pereers
in Mexico. So potentially he might have been dropped after Mexico,

(49:51):
but it was always going to be after Mexico. And
then that doesn't really leave enough time for the Red
Bull management to actually have a look at Lawson to
see whether you know, he has that consistency that looking
you know they're looking for. But I don't think unless
Perez does something magical to the the rest of the season,
I can't see him there next year.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
All Right, we wait and see. This doesn't seem to
have been handled particularly well by Red Bull, Liam saiding
you a couple of weeks ago. Daniel Ricardo said he
only found out officially after the Singapore Grand Pleay last week.
Everybody seemed to know that this was happening. What did
you make of the process? Oh, it's a typical Red Bull.

Speaker 19 (50:27):
They are ruthless. I mean, their pr team is very good.
To think that they support juniors. They're really good with
the juniors and you know, they support them and they
bring them up through. But basically the juniors have to pay. Yeah,
Lawson would have been on peanuts as a reserve driver.
You know, I think, you know, you'll be on a
decent whack now compared.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
To the rest of us.

Speaker 19 (50:47):
But that's just the way they are. They're just a
meat factory. They just grind people out. You look at Devrees,
you got the archer. You look at Brendan Hartley, you know,
only lasted one season.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Pierre Gasly Albin.

Speaker 19 (51:04):
You know all these guys, they just if you do
not perform instantly, they have no interest in.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
What's the danger then of Liam Lawson being chewed up
and spat out by Red Bull.

Speaker 19 (51:16):
You know, personally, I think he's got the mental fortitude
not to and he's proven. I mean, if you think
he's everywhere he's raced so far, including Tintops and the DTM,
he's podiumed or won a race. He nearly won the
Japanese super Formula Championship. He's mentally really strong and he'll
know this is an opportunity, but he's really measured. You

(51:39):
remember watching him and some of the listeners watching him
after he's at van Voort, you know, in a pouring rain,
never been to the circuit before, abysmal conditions. I think
he finished thirteenth in his first race, and then you know,
getting into the points, he will go about this knowing

(52:00):
you can't let the red Mist and the burst Circle
rage or the.

Speaker 20 (52:03):
Dominform on or go flat out.

Speaker 17 (52:05):
But things.

Speaker 19 (52:06):
Yeah, he's been around for too long and he's got
some really good people that have mentored him Piney through
this whole journey. He has the right mental fortitude and
he's quick. Everybody knows he's quick. He's proven he's quick
in his cars, so it's all lining up quite nicely.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah, that's a really good summary, Eric, Great to get
your analysis as always, where await with interest the United
States Grand Prix in about three weeks time and the
rest of twenty twenty four and to see what twenty
twenty five holds. Always great to chat.

Speaker 19 (52:36):
Mate, Thanks Baron, always a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Good on you, mate. That's Eric Thompson, motorsport analyst, journalist, reporter, observer,
pretty astute observer too, so Liam Lawson. Yeah, the United
States Grand Prix October eighteen through twenty is up next,
so what's that three weeks away? Then Mexico, Brazil, Las Vegas,
Kata and Abu Dhabi to finish, So six six Grand

(53:00):
Prix to go and well, listening to Eric, therek in
not just be that Liam Lawson does well enough to
retain his seat in Red Bull second team. But it
may well be that in twenty twenty five it's a
tea and for Stappin, which would be a meteoric rise,
wouldn't it From the start of this year when you'd
never seat to being alongside Max for Stappin in the

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top team. Motorsport fans are keen to get your your
gauge on this. How big is this? Obviously is big.
It's been something that's been bubbling away for a while.
But to have a Kiwi with a regular drive in
Formula One, certainly for the back end of this year,
and you'd have to think if he doesn't, you know,
make a catastrophic you know, dog's breakfast of it. He'll

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be in the in the car again next year. So
a full year in twenty twenty five, be it in
the top team or in the second team. This is
hugely significant, isn't it massively significant? Just that little red
flag around Red Ball in the way they treat people.
Daniel Ricardo the latest major blowback. Major blowback from Australian

(54:04):
motorsport fans after the Daniel Ricardo was treated. Nothing against
Liam Lawson, Adam Peacock said yesterday on the show our
Australian correspondent. Nobody is saying, oh well, Liam Lawson's.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Not up to it.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
It's just the way that Red Bull have treated Daniel
Ricardo and even the whole sagey at Perry's thing here
eck you know, you don't get rid of it until
after the Mexican Grand Prix because you want to sell
a million cans of Red Bull in Mexico basically, So
there's all these commercial imperatives too. Are Yuki Sonoda? Liam
Lawson finished ahead of him when he was racing last

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year as a replacement for Ricardo and pretty much every race,
I think, And yet Sonoda brings with him a huge
Asian audience and a huge commercial benefit. Liam doesn't have that.
But I guess if you boil it back, if he
drives fast and keeps the car out of trouble, then

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that's half the battle. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
to eighty Motorsport fans to give us your read on this.
We can pick up on the Rugby again as well
if you like. Didn't get everybody on the air before
one o'clock, so if you'd like to add your two
cents on the rugby something you saw last night. There
was some interesting decisions to be made around the end
of year tour now as well, Scott Robertson saying to

(55:18):
the media this morning they'll pick thirty six for the
end of year tour. That squad's being named tomorrow week.
I mean it'll be basically that the players that are
there now right I can't see them, you know, they
won't bring too many more in from outside the squad.
There's also a twenty nine man squad that's going to
go up and play games against Munster and Georgia. So

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another twenty nine players will also be heading up to
the Northern Hemisphere. So it's that set sixty five players.
Sixty five players are going to be heading up north,
and Scott Robertson said that if they need to, they
can bring in players from the twenty nine into the
thirty six. He also said an interesting thing that when
they go to Japan, the thirty six will go together,

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but an advance party will be sent to England ahead
of the Japanese Test. So the Japanese Test is on
October the twenty sixth. The team will travel up there,
presumably a week before that, so around the sort of
the seventeen eighteenth, nineteenth of October, get up there with
a week to prep and then I guess he didn't

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specify exactly, but a couple of days before that test match,
an advance party of players who will no doubt feature
against England at Twickenham on the third of November will
go on ahead, so they won't be in Japan in
Yokohama for the Test match. They will have already arrived
in London to start their preparations and then the rest
of them will catch them up after the Japan Test.

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So interesting, you know, nothing's off the table these days
when it comes to repairing for test matches. One twenty
two Lines open oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
I want to pick up on the Motorsport with Liam
Lawson or last night's rugby back in a sek on
Weekend Sport one.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Crutch Hold Engage Weekend Sports with Jason Frame and gij Gunner,
New Zealand's trusted News Talk.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
I mean he's shorts popping up again the your blackness time.

Speaker 6 (57:13):
They're over.

Speaker 15 (57:15):
And it's a bit will you as their placement prop?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
One twenty five on News Talk zbuh, let's give back
to the lines. How are you Steve here?

Speaker 21 (57:24):
You get a finey good thanks mate. Three things me
I would have liked to have seen them, possibly given
him a complete arrest yesterday and put Harry Palmer in
there as he both plays first and second five and
we want to read a three stream minute class week.
It would have been a nice to have seen.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, I thought they might. I thought they might do
something with Plumber as well. He's clearly very popular around
the group. He's he was terrific for the Blues. As
you say, Stevie covers a couple of positions. Yeah, they
could have. You're right, they could have sent it to
Damian if had a big workload. We'll play you again
against Japan, but have this one off.

Speaker 17 (58:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (58:06):
I think it would have been good because so many
people were talking about him, and that's me coming from Wellington,
so I would have I would have been him there.
Sometimes sometimes you got to back some good Auklanders. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Look, just don't make a habit of it, Steve. But yeah,
I take your for it.

Speaker 21 (58:23):
Yeah, Cody Taylor, I think you're right when you said
he came back to expect him to play some final
rugbys in the rugby because he only went on holiday.
He never went and played anywhere else. So when he
ended up hitting the All Blacks, he was really fresh

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and it showed, and it showed.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yeah, I think he must have had without Like I say,
I counted the games he missed the first ten, so
clearly that was the plan to come back after ten
rounds and play for the Crusaders. In his mind, played
for the Crusaders in the back end of the season
and then into the playoffs, which of course never eventuated
last year. So yeah, fresh as a daisy once he
hit the All Blacks and he's been magnificent, has he?

Speaker 1 (59:05):
What?

Speaker 21 (59:05):
You know, he's been bloody good. And I've taken my
hat off to the Sam Cain. Over the years, I've
never and especially when he was captain as well, I've
never really been a Cane supporter. But I must admit
he came back in his last few games and played
pretty well and he got his hundred, so he actually
earned it at the end. It was one as though
he was he was picked to get his hundred and

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he picked and.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Played there, you know, well without without question. Yet he
started the last four games that in that seven jersey,
and you cannot say that he hasn't hasn't earned it.
The big question now, Steve is who will play I
mean any of yet or I think Sam Kin will
probably go, but who will wear the seven jersey for
the All Blacks in twenty twenty five and onwards. Who's
going to wear that jersey next year?

Speaker 21 (59:51):
I haven't got that far yet, mate.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
I thought you might say Peter Larkeye being from Wellington.

Speaker 21 (59:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, well I like him as the number eight,
but yeah, probably him. Yeah, I'd go along with your
Wellington thinking as.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Well, mate, good to chat, make good to have a
bit of a capital chat. I think Peter like I
may maybe a smokey for any year tour he's been
in and around the team. They have to do some
stage workout what they do in the seven jersey Dotton Papalei,
you played there the first two Tests of the year
and then also the two Tests against Argentina and hasn't
been sighted since Ethan blackadd have played there against Fiji

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and Sam Kaines had the jersey through the South African
swing and then the two games against Australia. What do
they do in that seven jumper moving forward? It might
well be that Sam Kane. I think they'll take Sam
Kane up north. I mean, why wouldn't they take them,
same with t J. I think they'll take them both.
But then beyond this year they've got a decision to
make around that seven jumper. Half backs. I think we're okay,

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we are, you know, cam Roy, Guard, Cortez, Latima, Noah
Hotham's three for starters. So you're okay there, But what
are they going to do at open side next year?
It's one of a couple of conundra for them. Good
to chat, Steve I, Doug ok Piney.

Speaker 9 (01:01:11):
I don't know if anybody's mentioned it, but I noticed
last night with a definite like lack of kicking. We
didn't box kick, what specially in.

Speaker 6 (01:01:20):
The first half. We held on with the ball. Every
night when I watch.

Speaker 9 (01:01:25):
It and I see them kicking on, yeah, I don't
kick and we if we want the other team, that
wouldn't give them the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
So there was, yeah, there was there was a lack
you actually, dug, now that you mentioned it. I hadn't.
It hadn't occurred to me at the time. But you're
right thinking back there last night, very little on the
way box kicking.

Speaker 17 (01:01:47):
I don't know if what's in a Wellington half mid lost.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
And and you're right he normally does you know an
of aptim two and it's whoever it is. I mean,
it's clearly a part of a game plan that they
that they put on the shelf last night, because you're
so right, Doug, they hardly did it all.

Speaker 9 (01:02:07):
And then in that first half we made quite a
lot of you know, movement, We went forward and held
onto the ball and when we did get it, we
made you know, we got it running good. But normally
it's kick kick, kick, and we keep giving them a
ball and then we're defending and from there, especially with
the teams, that leads to a lot of advantage to them.

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I think it's still a bit of a mystery to
some of us, dug as to why they do it
so often, because at the very best it's fifty to
fifty that you're going to get it back. There's obviously
a method to it and a reason, you know, and
to clear your lines if you're in your own twenty
two or whatever it is. Yeah, and if it is
as long as there's willing chases, then it can be
an effective tactic. But there's there's only a very small

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margin for error if you, you know, don't get the
hide on it. I don't have the chasers, you know,
just giving the ball back to the other team, don't you.

Speaker 19 (01:02:59):
Yeah, And then you can work hard.

Speaker 9 (01:03:01):
And I noticed in a couple of other games when
we played them when they wanted to keep the gave
it to the first five and he kicked it out,
so they made sure they went up the petic and
not just to back into someone's hands.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I just had a text before, Doug, actually, when you're
talking about box kicking, apparently in the Hawks Bay Auckland
game yesterday I played in Napier. I think whenever there
was a box kicked, the crowd booed.

Speaker 9 (01:03:30):
You at the other teams that wouldn't give him the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Good on your Doug, Good to chat mate, Thanks for
calling through oh eight eight nine two the seven issue.
I didn't have it down on the list of things
to talk about, but it actually has just occurred to
me in a chat about Sam Kine. There you know
who who will it be? Dotton Papaali for some reason

(01:03:56):
just seems to have I don't know where he's fallen
out of favor and he can't pig everybody, but just
checking this. He hasn't even been in the match day
squad for the last four games. He started both against
England and both against Argentina, and hasn't been cited in
the four Test matches since off the bench in terms
of loose forward cover. It's been Luca Jacobson for the

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last three Test matches. Some of Penny Feenwe came off
the bench in Johannesburg against South Africa and really you
have to say, I just remember that being a less
than memorable test for some of Penny Female and we
haven't seen him since Luke Jacobson. Would he? I mean,
he can play all three, can't he? Would he start

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at seven? Perhaps Ethan Blackadder was the guy who got
the jersey against Fiji. He just seems to He just
seems to get injured a bit, doesn't he. And that's
not a criticism. It just happens to some people. But
Ethan Blackadder could be your guy. The other thing that
Scott Robertson said last night in the postmatch media conference,
which was really interesting around Wallas Satiti in the fact

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he's playing at blindside and not number eight where he's
played almost all of us Super rugby, is that it actually,
at the moment sometimes doesn't matter what number you got on.
He likes as loose forwards to be interchangeable. They might
wear six, seven and eight, but they all do all
sorts of different things, which is, well, look at a

(01:05:19):
loose forward trio if we look beyond Sam Caine of
Ethan Blackadder, Wallace Atiti and Artie Savilla.

Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Ethan Blackadder. I think he's played all three positions, certainly
for the Crusaders. Artie's played eight for the last little
why but of course also can play seven, So Titi
can play six and eight. So actually it doesn't really
matter if they're interchangeable as such. Maybe that is the
way forward. You don't have to have a specialist open
side in the way that we used to consider. I

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don't know Michael Jones although he went to six, Josh
Croenfeld as you you know, an absolute number seven, Jerome
Kinor as an absolute number six although could cover eight.
Karen Reid is an absolute number eight, although he started
off playing six again, So the point's being proven it
maybe it is just a number on the back rather

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than something which has to define exactly what you do.
Chopp says, I think it will be it will be
black aut of next year. Up the Naki. Someone's asked
about Sumer Saunty Takiyaho. You mentioned him before. He's not
back until Super Rugby next year, so it'll be Taylor
al Moore Bell presumably who go Who's our third ten?

(01:06:38):
Asks James. It's another good question, Jane. Well, I think
it's probably Harry Plumber. Stephen Petifetza has been I think
is injured. I think he played fall back in the
first two tests of the year, and I don't think
he's played for the All Blacks since that, not then,
not that I can remember, so he obviously can can

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cover ten as well. I think Howry Plumber is your number, yeah,
third number ten at the moment, James, Hello, Phil.

Speaker 22 (01:07:06):
Get a pony.

Speaker 21 (01:07:07):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Thanks mate?

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
Excellent, excellent.

Speaker 22 (01:07:11):
Now, I watched the game last night, but I was
just saying, Andy, I had too many beers and I
can't remember half it. So you're going to have to
fill me in a bit because.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Well, I won't expect that he had in sightsive analysis
from you.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
Then fill not too much.

Speaker 22 (01:07:26):
But I may be able to give a couple because
I do remember you know a bit of it from
the start, and well, I thought, from what I can remember,
I think on the whole it was a better performance
from the All Blacks over the game where they didn't
lose that they didn't struggle in that last twenty minutes
like they have been doing, you know, the shoot off

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to the big lead and then fade in the last
twenty and struggled to score. I don't think they'd done
that last night, for I remember right. It was more
of a whole performance right to the end of the game,
which was good. And I thought it didn't matter that
it was a dead rubber because earlier on, you know,
Darcy was saying and his talk and that showing that
and the people were saying about dead rubber. But I

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thought that doesn't matter because even though they had lost
the Breslow Cup, the Aussies would have if they'd beaten
the All Blacks last night, that would have been a
huge psychological vantage and their belief and confidence when they
came up against them again, or just carrying on in
their journey, you know, to progress and get better.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
Now.

Speaker 22 (01:08:33):
What I was also interested in, and this is the
bit that I sort of struggling with the memory, was
when d mac come on, how did he go? Did
he make an impact? Because I believe that we should
maybe have a more steady sort of ship runner, you know,
in that number them ten position. I listened to John

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Eels when you had a mine yesterday and I was
trying to get through, but I couldn't get through. But
he was interesting what he was saying. You could see
what he was such a great cat and player on
this day by just listening to him in the way
he analyzed the game and saying about what you'd done
when you were on the field and that sort of thing.
But Osborne and Carlos Spencer, sorry, I thought was a

(01:09:18):
good point two when he said that he believed that
dmac was probably more asserted of fullback. But the trouble
is we've got Jordan who seems to be going really
well at fullback as well, who I thought was going
to be on the wing for a start, But he's
done so well at fullback that maybe that's his position.
But I would maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
Come on with.

Speaker 22 (01:09:36):
Demat Is, maybe not start him at number ten, but
just bring them on at a number ten as an
impact player and maybe start him at fullback. Is we're
going to start a menywhere yeah they did that last night.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Yeah, to ask you a question for yeah that when
he came on last night, he came on and went
into first five. Boden Barrett went back to fullback. Will
Jordan went out to the right wing. It was it
was now who went off? I'm just trying to remember
whether it was I think Rico Yowani went off. Yeah,
Demat came on into ten. Yeah, they did it. They

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did a shuffle anyway, and him and Antony Lena Brown
went out one to thirteen. I'm just trying to do
the maths in my head of who was playing. Well.
David Harvilly had come on by that stage as well. Anyway,
the yeah, the Damien McKenzie did make a little bit
of an impact. He kind of he had a couple

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of little half breaks and I look, I, as I
said before, I think, you know, that may be his
role to play. You know, I think he's I'd have
him as part of any of any All Blacks twenty three.
But the point you make also about having someone who's
a bit of a steady hand on the bench is
the big conundrum about what you want from your impact players.

(01:10:50):
Do you want somebody who will come on and you know,
and I provide a spark if you're behind, or do
you want someone who come on and steady the ship
if you're already ahead. And of course you can't predict
what you'll be ahead or behind, so I gets have
to cut your cloth to suit as far as your
prediction is concerned. Because Harry Plummer and Damian McKenzie very

(01:11:12):
different players, very different players, you know, but both equally valuable.
Thanks Pelt, good to chat. Twenty one away from two.
We'll take a break, come back with James mcconey.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
You be the TMO.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Have your say on eighty eight Weekend Sport with Jason
Pine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder
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Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Be eighteen away from two. What a weekend of sport.
It's been on both sides of the Tasman. Lots to
chat about and well, when I want to chat sport
and normally just ring one number. Sometimes he answers, sometimes
he doesn't. But he's here today. James McConney, Hello.

Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
Mate, good a poney, always here for your mates.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
It's good to hear all blacks. Let's start there. What
did you make of it last night?

Speaker 6 (01:11:58):
Well, it felt like a coach's game to me, you know,
making the changes, putting things in place and watching them
come to fruition. But I'd like to highlight four players.
If I may piny, please, let's start off with Boden Barrett,
who looked great at number ten, running the cutter, kicking well,
tackling Well's passing game was on point. But I liked

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it even more when David McKenzie was on the field.
So I'm only a double pivot guy if both those
pivots can run like the wind. Okay, but I thought
Boden was great yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yes, I enjoyed his steady hand.

Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
I did. Yeah. And then look, Richie Moongan might return,
you know, Harry Godfrey might emerge as a great team soon.
He looks the goods doesn't even though he's playing fullback.
But for now we've got two great options. So I
was just happy for Boden and actually happy for dmac
to come on and set up that nice try for Caleb,
So that was good. The next one, Wallace a TT

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I thought was of the match. Unreal. It's just showing
his test class, but also the footwork and offloads, and
I think I've seen a big goes forward with those
dancing feet. You know, maybe Ardie, but he's smaller, right,
This is like a big unit up there. Just he
looks like he's going to have a long and distinguished

(01:13:16):
Test career, So he was best in show for me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Yeah, and apparently the league scouts are already onto him
and you can see why. So yeah, I think New
Zealand Rugby would be best advised to lock him up
for a little while, not not not literally, but you know,
to to give him, give him a new to That
would be the right thing to do, to give him
a new contract, lock him and Eddie is Yeah, that's right,

(01:13:42):
that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:13:43):
Antonine Brown, I thought made a huge impact in midfield
is passing the support and vision that they are all elite,
but also the bread and butter things, you know, like
the ball, security, tackles clean out, providing an option at
all times. I reckon that somehow it just feels right
when anton is in the mix.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
He's played every Test the shoe I worked out this morning.
He's only started three, including last night, but it's been
off the bench in the other six. So he is
one of only five players who's been involved in all
nine Test matches this year. And I think he does
provide a nice security and a bit of glue around
this team.

Speaker 6 (01:14:23):
Yeah, he's totally He's the glue. He's the dead horse
of the team, if you will, But Samkin as well
needs he needs his flowers pony. I mean, I think
he's one of the greats. He should have been a
World Cup winning captain if it wasn't for that pisky
red card and a couple of things going, you know,
if Jeordie had nailed that kick. But he's captain the

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All Blacks in an era where all our rivals apart
from Australia, have been peeking, so losses were going to
a cur but also following on from the goat Richie
mccaor like I've said before, I think it's like following
Freddie Mercury at Live Aid. So what can you do? Well,
you just do the best that you can. And in
his case it's defense. That is one half of the game,

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and I think he's been the best at that and
another quarter of the game the breakdown. So I mean
you can't fault his work there, especially cleaning rucks. He
attends so many breakdowns, so I think he's made others
look better and that's probably one of the great things
about him. And it does sound even Raiser was saying
that his leadership is important he's a sheriff, he's a

(01:15:26):
straight shooter, and I think the All Blacks have needed them.
He just didn't get the ultimate reward of a World
Cup win.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Yeah, it's a very good point, and I think, yeah,
Raz has made that point. He didn't know Sam Kane. Well,
of course he didn't before he came into the All Blacks,
but he says he's learned a lot about him and
gained enormous respect. And you can tell how much the
players there respect him. I do note though, that in
the players you've mentioned, most of them are chiefs.

Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Yeah, and you didn't even mention too. I thought it
was good too.

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
How good is his skill set? Just setting things up? Well,
that's why I put myself on a four chief limit.
So I've reached my closure, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Sorry, yeah, sorry too, well, sorry Cortez, Sorry Luke Jacobson.
You you'ren't going to mention today, but maybe next.

Speaker 13 (01:16:13):
Week you will.

Speaker 6 (01:16:15):
Yeah, imagine if I started mentioning the undersized Chiefs. You
know we'll be here all night?

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Can we?

Speaker 6 (01:16:21):
Can?

Speaker 23 (01:16:21):
We?

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Do you want to anything more than the All Blacks?

Speaker 23 (01:16:23):
Do?

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
I want to ask about Liam Lawson?

Speaker 6 (01:16:25):
Yeah? Liam Lawson let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Well, we just had we just had a Eric Thompson
on before. I just worry because Red Bulls seemed like
the kind of organization that you know, might just cheer
you up and spit you out. But he seems like
a fairly level headed chap. Liam Lawson, you reckon, it'll
be okay.

Speaker 6 (01:16:42):
Well that's what I'm the only thing I'm worried about,
I think. I mean, he's been rewarded for his talent,
not his connections. Although I feel like being from Pocacoee
or South Auckland, there's a bit like going to Duke
University before getting into the NBA. You know, it's motor
racing central, it's nursery. But I remember him being run
off the road by that South African driver when he
was about to win the European Touring Car Champs, and

(01:17:05):
and he he flew off the handle, and I was
happy for him to actually fire up and tell him
that it was dirty pool. And I think he's going
to be prepared to stand his ground in Formula one
because I think the biggest problem with Brendan Hartley, another
lovely bloke, is that he was constantly tormented and bullied
by his team teammate Pierre Ghastly and can you remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Ponty, Yes, yes, I remember it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:29):
Well. Yeah, And Ghastly is an appropriate name because he
Gasly was gaslighting Hartley the whole time, accusing him of
almost killing him when Hartley stalled on the track once
and he had to swerve to miss him, and he
gave this emotional press conference. He didn't even touch the
guy and it was like he was going I thought
I was going to die. So Ghastly is the massive tossa.

(01:17:52):
So I hope that Lawson beats him for starters and
also confronts anyone who tries to give him any of
those that sort of shenanigans.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Yeah, I just can't wait. Yeah, absolutely, it seems like
a sport of massive goes to me. But Liam Lawson
seems to be without one, whether you know, whether it's
it's you know, comes across as a quite confidence more
than anything. I mean, I get the feeling he's he's
got a bit about him. But yeah, there's a lot
of egos by the looks of it, and formula one
and I guess, you know, I guess maybe that's part

(01:18:23):
of reaching the top. I'm not sure Hey, NRL. The
Storm hammered the Roosters, the Panthers took a bit longer
to succumb the Sharks. But we've got the Grand Final
we all wanted, haven't we.

Speaker 6 (01:18:34):
Yeah, it's the blockbuster Final. There's a lot to like.
I always love it when there's key is everywhere, and
of course plenty in the Melbourne Storm. Watching Elika tour
is quite triggering for me seeing a former warrior do
so well. But sometimes you know that that change of
scenery was what was needed for their career. It's a
bit like Malacofkutur going down to the Highlanders. You know,

(01:18:57):
you just know that they needed that change of scenery
to reach that peak. But having said that, jar Ounes
hughes against Nathan, I mean that is just, you know, tantalizing,
isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Absolutely mouth watering. Yeah, you can't wait for that. So
that's next Sunday. So week tonight the NRL Grand Final.
But yesterday the AFL Grand Final at the g the
iconic Melbourne Cricket Ground. Did you get eyes on this?

Speaker 6 (01:19:26):
Yes I did. It was an absolute blowout win to Brisbane,
and of course that is a problem because it was
Brisbane versus Sydney. So sports like rugby, it's a bit
of a dagger for them having two of those two
of those cities represented in an AFL final. However, Sydney
was spent by I think sixty points or something like that.

(01:19:46):
It was crazy that. I think maybe they might turn
back to the rugby codes after that. But the one
thing I did want to raise was Katie Perry and
look piney. She was pretty good in the pregame show.
Awesome voice, didn't seem like it was totally lipstick. She
wasn't doing the Milli Vanelli or anything on her paylist.

(01:20:07):
She sang raw, great song, she sang firework, absolute banger,
and she even sang California Girls. You know, but where
where it was hot and cold. I've got to ask
you the song it relates to sport and as a
massive hit, it is an absolute banger. And you don't

(01:20:29):
go out there and sing one of your unknown recent songs,
which she did, and you lead out a hit like
that that is not on brief. Kadie, stick to the brief.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Yes, the brief was banger's hoding, wasn't it. I think
she would have gone away with one. Yeah, beggars only
hot and cold?

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Where are you?

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
Where are you to listen to this? I mean it's
one of the great Just come of soon if you'll
allow a pony, thank you for having me today.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Good on you, James. Hold there, Let's listen to this
banger of a chorus for a bit. It's coming. So
that would have worked well if the chorus actually came.
I think it's coming now Here it goes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
When it's down to the line. You made a call
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason
Hine News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
MB five to two. Interesting text through here. I think
it's a shame it says that Liam has locked him
with Red Bull. I believe the team is imploding Christian issues.
That's Christian Horner. Of course, the step and agitation and
father influence key team members bailing. Although they are brand
is still strong, it's a brand that needs to evolve.
I think energy drinks are in decline. You consumers want

(01:22:12):
better for you options be very much in the coke camp,
which is a struggle with savvy, health centric consumers. I'd
love to see Liam join a more progressive and collaborative
team like Zach's team Zack Brown. Of course McLaren ceo
their interesting thoughts. Thank you for sending them through. I
guess you're taking f one seat if it's offered to you.

(01:22:34):
But yeah, Liam can find some success which buys some
perhaps the freedom to choose in the years ahead, then yeah,
who knows what that might look like, but yeah, looking
forward to seeing Liam Lawson race Formula one in three
weeks from now at the American Grand Prix. After two o'clock,
going to mix it up for you. Bit of netball
Silver Fern Kelly Jackson on the show Breakers play tonight.

(01:22:57):
Mitch McCarron had of the Breakers camp ahead of their
game against the Southeast Melbourne Phoenix will wrap the overnight
action in Barcelona. Even though they didn't get a race done,
there was quite a bit of on Water and the
Black Ferns tomorrow play Ireland in WXV one. Assistant coach
Mike Delaney with.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Us the only plays for the big names, the big issues,
the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on
Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your Home of Sport News.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Talks had been.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
At SUS six past two. North Harbor of scored a
try against Canterbury inside the first seventy seconds of their game.
Up at Albany five nil. They lead Harbor and what
I mean is Lort Harbor leed Canterbrin. So yeah, one
of the first passages of the game and Canterbury's defense
has opened up like a bit of a lace curtain

(01:23:51):
for North Harbor to wander through and score a try there.
So we'll keep eyes on that for you across the
next hour or so. Also this hour inside the Silver
Ferns camp. They play England tonight, first test of the
Tiny Jamison Trophy Series Trusseerena. Kelly Jackson any buy for
a chat? Speaking of sports, where you put the ball
on the hoop? The Breakers played tonight It's Park Arena

(01:24:12):
against the Southeast Melbourne Phoenix. Mitch mccaron is one of
their new players, the experienced Australian guard. He's going to
have a yarn to us. Mike Delaney's along, the assistant
coach of the Black Ferns. They play Ireland tomorrow in
WXV one three o'clock tomorrow afternoon our time in Vancouver
and overnight racing in the America's Cup Challenger series was

(01:24:34):
timed out because of a lack of breeze, but there
was still some interesting goings on on the water while
they were out there. Christie are going to join us
to talk about that. You can get through to us
at any time on text nine two nine two or
on the phone are eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
But as we approach eight past two, as we always
do it around about this time on weekend, Sport like

(01:24:55):
to roll the rocky music and bring you up to
date with some of the stuff you might have missed.
It's called in Cash Mister, put together every Saturday and
Sunday by Annie McDonald, and he started with yesterday's AFL
Grand Final at the Melbourne Cricket Grounds, a very one
sided affair which ended as as Brisbane fans hoped it would,

(01:25:16):
with the Brisbane Lines becoming AFL champions, all the big
names be deadaher, the final stamp on the day and.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
The lines of court lightning in a bottles brought.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
An absolute hiding one hundred and twenty points to sixty.
They beat the Sydney Swans. Staying in Australia, the Penrith
Panthers are into the NRL Final in a bid to
win a fourth straight championship.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Israeli the right word kick Martinis and exclamation mark for
the Panthers as they.

Speaker 15 (01:25:52):
March on till the first Sunday dead October.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
At twenty six six, the Panthers winning last night. Only
two teams have ever won four straight titles, the Rabbitos
who won five between nineteen twenty five and nineteen twenty nine,
and that famous and George side that won eleven in
a row from nineteen fifty six to nineteen sixty six.
Penrith could go four in a line if they beat
the Melbourne Storm next weekend, which I'm not sure they'd

(01:26:18):
be favorite to do, but what a grand final and
prospect to the Premier League. Chelsea beat Brighton four to
two overnight and Cole Palmer got all four goals given
away cheap two once more, Sancho.

Speaker 15 (01:26:35):
It's not even March.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Extraordinary four goals in the first half of Cole Palmer.
Liverpool meantime top of the table for the meantime It's
Salar against Johnston.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
No problem here, Liverpool back ahead in the blink of
an eye.

Speaker 18 (01:26:52):
No sooner had parity been restored at Liverpool find the
way once more.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
I've held off until ten past two have mentioned them,
but the black Caps utterly dismal and gaul yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
Boards beautifully balled.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
The speed, the trajectory was outstanding. To see you little
satiner has it apart.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
Top scores are Something's twenty nine bold, they're spurious.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Zil and all out for eighty eight eighty eight and
the spring Box have added to their growing trophy.

Speaker 24 (01:27:29):
Cabinets tell us for thetor tenist have to toy it
gets a second in a bombetta and they are running amok.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Now the scoop from the track field and the court
on your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine talks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
In me eleven past two. A busy few weeks coming
up for the silver Ferns New Zealand on the edge
of the circle.

Speaker 25 (01:27:58):
This to draw it level twenty seconds on the clock. Yes,
the profominal, the moment that's going to take England into
a rematch of the Netball World Cup final tomorrow against Australia.

(01:28:20):
Eveland beat New Zealand by fifty and gold to fifty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Yeah, that was the nation's Cup earlier in the year.
The silver Ferns against England. They'll resume hostilities in the
three game Tiny Jamison Trophy series tonight at Trust's Arena,
Game two and Potty to Our Wednesday night, and game
three in the Cargo next Sunday. The Silver Ferns then
have a two week turnaround before beginning the four test
series against the Australian Diamonds for the Constellation Cup. Match

(01:28:49):
one of that series is on the twentieth of October
in Wellington. Let's bring in Silver Ferns defender Kelly Jackson.
Kelly her Dame Noline Todua during the week say that
last week was the best camp that she's ever overseen
as head coach of the Silver Ferns. So how's the
built up from the player's point of view.

Speaker 20 (01:29:09):
Yeah, we'll always get to hear that sort of feedback
coming from no Leaf. So yeah, we've really pressed and
peppy with our build up so far. We had a
week in NPR last week and came to here there
a few days ago here up in Auckland, so you
were really feeling primed ready to go and just know
what we've got to do out there tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
So this is the first time the Ferns have been
together since the Nation's Cup in the UK back in January.
Have you managed to mesh together again fairly quickly?

Speaker 20 (01:29:38):
You know what, the majority of us, we've all played
together a lot. There's a few movies obviously, with the
likes of Paris and Clara O'Brian and likely Abies tonight,
So just really important to bring them to the fold
so they know what we're all about and our processes here.
But yeah, Janry does feel a little while away, but
we've played a lot of netbor since then.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
How do you go about integrating new players into the
Silver Ferns. What are the key parts of that?

Speaker 20 (01:30:05):
Well, I guess you've kind of a treat it as
like everyone doesn't know anything and to reteach at all
and start from zero. I guess that's a technical We've
approached technics, have views to approach it this year, and
so far it's working. I think everyone's got real calady.
You know, we've had zones nearly every day about nutrition, scientology,

(01:30:30):
all those kinds of things that are really important and
controvert to the on kore performance.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
One of you more experienced, though appliers, though, fellow defender
Foenix Kataka won't be playing. She's been ruled out after
failing to recover from illness. How much of a blow
is that to the team?

Speaker 20 (01:30:44):
Yeah, really gunned for Fee and me personally. I've played
a lot of net work and the fern's rest alongside Tea.
But you know, it gives the opportunity to opportunity to
Edna who's been called in and they'll be exciting to
see her out there tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Last time we played England, it was just a solitary
goal that separated you a loss by that single goal
back in January. Do you feel as though this series
is going to be pretty given.

Speaker 20 (01:31:08):
Yeah, we have some great matches against England in the
last two years. I've always come down to the wire
and our last matchup we've only lost, though one was
so close, and so we know that this series will
be another tough test. And they've just come off of
the series games Bozzie where they had some good games
over there, so they'll be ready and they've had that

(01:31:30):
time extra time to tell in terms of on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Court play as a defensive group, Kelly, how much of
your own prep is focused on some detailed analysis of
how England will operate? In the shooting circle.

Speaker 20 (01:31:44):
Yeah, so we put in a few hours work of
analyzing the opposition and both as a defensive unit, as
a team and as individuals. That's always expected of you
to go away and do your homework, so you go
out there and there's no surprises.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
So beyond the tiny Jameson Trophy, it's the Constellation Cup
series against Australia. You won both home matches in that
four gameses last year after Australia won the first two
over there? Do you feel this that's going to be
a fairly competitive Constellation Cup Series again this year too?

Speaker 20 (01:32:14):
Absolutely, and I think we're feeling really confident just after
the last couple of weeks in this environment. So hopefully
once we tick off this series, we'll fully focused on
Australia and the extra wind. You know, we've walked away
to all for the last two years, so we'll be
coat to get that first match under our belt and.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
These will be the final few tests before Grace Wiki
heads to Australia to play her domestic netball next year.
That will make her ineligible for the Silver Ferns in
twenty twenty five. It's probably a silly question, but how
big a loss. Is that going to be for you?

Speaker 20 (01:32:47):
She's definitely a rock down that shoting end for us.
She's an incredible player and athlete and contract so much
to this team, so we will be missed her, but
hopefully she'll come back stronger and whether sew more tricks
up earthily when she returns from Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
You've obviously had the chance to defend her in domestic netble.
What is she like to defend? Is she the toughest
opponent for you to defend domestically?

Speaker 20 (01:33:10):
M Yeah, I've had a lot of thattch up with
her and it's always a battle and a challenge. I
love playing against Gigi justices as that factor. But she's athletic.
She's not only four, but she can jump and she's strong,
which is so crucial, especially at international level. And you know,
she's a great asset.

Speaker 5 (01:33:30):
For New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
And just finally we're awaiting confirmation of Nepple's inclusion and
what will be a slimmed down Commonwealth Games in twenty
twenty six in Glasgow. How important is it to you
and to the Silver Ferns that Nettle is included in
the Commonwealth Games moving forward?

Speaker 20 (01:33:46):
That would be hugely important for the sport. We've only
got two pinnacle events and that being the World Cup
and the common Wealth Games, so to lose one of
those would their huge blow. And myself, I've already been
to two common Wealth Games and it's such so only
an experience, the netw experience to go over with the
whole New Zealand team. So yeah, fingers crossed, we'll get

(01:34:08):
on that last all right, We'll.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Wait and see on that. Your immediate point of business
obviously the Tiny Jamison Trophy Game one tonight, trust around
the seven thirty center pass Kelly. Thanks for joining us
and giving us a bit of insight ahead of game
one in this series. Kelly Jackson there from the Silver Fern.
See Game one tonight in Auckland, Game two and potly
door Wednesday night, Game three in the Cargo next Sunday

(01:34:31):
then Australia. Two tests are here and two over there
in the Constellation Cup series. It's just gone seventeen and
a half past two weekend sport. Let's stay with the
sports with the hoops, the breakers up and running. In
the twenty twenty four to twenty five Australian National Basketball
League season, they began their campaign with a ninety one

(01:34:51):
eighty seven win over the Brisbane Bullets last weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Three seconds left, three point League makes it as all well,
he makes it.

Speaker 26 (01:34:59):
Just stay wide away from everybody, do not go west,
one point play.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Smith milneral step into it and then you dealing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Breakers snatch victory from the jaws of the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Yeah, a win for the Breakers last week. They were
actually about twenty six points ahead in that game before
winning it by four. But a win's a win. Next up,
they have their first home game tonight Spark Arena. The
Southeast Melbourne Phoenix are the opposition. One of the new
faces on the Breakers roster highly experienced Australian guard Mitch McCarran,
who's closing it on two hundred and fifty a m

(01:35:35):
BL games, having previously played for the Kents, Taipe Hands,
the Melbourne United Side and also the Adelaide thirty sixers.
He joins us now, Mitch, thanks for joining us on
the show. How pleasing was it first of all to
get that win? First up?

Speaker 26 (01:35:48):
Hey, thanks for having me on. Yeah, it's awesome. You know,
that's obviously the goal and you know we were taking
shride forward even though you know it might not have
seemed like it in the wins Colin. In the preseason,
you know, we felt like we were growing as a
group of getting better, and then the first game of
the year we get the big job done and.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
We're one of those Did it feel as though you
know you were on the right track even though as
you just seed, the preseason results weren't going your way.

Speaker 26 (01:36:14):
Yeah, obviously, you know, having done it a few times
now with a few different groups, you know, it's always
a different vibe, you know, with every team, you know,
some have got a lot of continuation and some are
very new, which is us. So you know, we've got
a new coaching staff to the league for the most part,
you know, other than Soxy carrying over, and we've got
a lot of new players, not only to New Zealand

(01:36:35):
but to the league as well. So there's an adjustment
period that comes with that. But I feel like we've
been getting a lot better and we saw a lot
of that against Brisbane.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
You're one of the more experienced players in the league.
Did you feel a responsibility coming in, even into a
new team, to assume a leadership role.

Speaker 26 (01:36:53):
Yeah, I guess I just wanted to do, you know,
get back to being you know that the confident player
that I was first of all. You know, I know
what my skill set is and I want to bring
that for the team. And then naturally, I think I
can help lead and help others get better in that role,
regardless of whether that's got a title on.

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
It or not.

Speaker 26 (01:37:10):
You know, it ended up being the case sharing the role.

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
With with Parker.

Speaker 26 (01:37:13):
But at the same time, it's really just about everyone
bringing their best energy every day and that way everyone's
the leader.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
And of course coming into a new team that's not
necessarily new for you, but there are a lot of
new faces in this team. Has it been relatively you know,
straightforward to mesh as a playing group, even though I
guess most you have never really played with one another before.

Speaker 26 (01:37:36):
Yeah, it takes it takes a little bit of time,
for sure, you know. And and season is a ramp
up from pre season even so that's that's another big
one that is hard to explain to people that haven't
been around the league. You know that you're playing in
preseason games and you feel like everyone's playing harder, then
it just goes up another level when it all counts
and Every team in this league is good. If you

(01:37:57):
play poorly, you lose. It's as simple as that. There
are no nights off, and so from that perspective, it
might take a bit of time for certain groups to adjust.
But I thought we were really good in Round one
and we weren't perfect, but we'll continue to grow.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
Just quick look at your your career stats. So you're
a six foot two guard the average over five rebounds
a game. How are you doing that?

Speaker 26 (01:38:19):
I steal them from the big it's a secret.

Speaker 6 (01:38:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:38:22):
You let them do the hard work and you're running
it and they love it. They love it when you
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Apart from your your un kenny ability to pull out rebounds,
what else do you think you can bring mainly to
the breaker's roster.

Speaker 26 (01:38:35):
I want to be, you know, obviously a creative guard
for us. You know, Parker is our guy, no doubt.
You know, he's a superstar, and we want the ball
in his hands as much as possible because that would
be good for us. But we've got some you know
when you call it, you know, other point guards or
secondary ball carriers. You know, guys like Matt Mooney and
myself who need to be aggressive for us. And be
playmakers for us. So you know, we'll just play off

(01:38:57):
Parker and if park is often then we'll have the
ball in our hands a little bit more and help
us get into the flow of things. And that way,
everyone's kind of on the same page and sucking their role,
which is a good How does.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Parker Jackson Cartwright compare to other beckcourt partners you've had.

Speaker 26 (01:39:13):
He is as painful, if not the most painful guy
to guard at practice, that's for sure. You know, he's
He's going to make us a lot better though in
that sense, and I was excited about that. You know,
I was excited when I signed with the Breakers to
know that Parker was going to be back for that reason.
You know, even playing against him, I was like, man,
this guy's really good. He's smart, and from everyone that

(01:39:34):
I spoke to, he was a really good guy and
that's turned out to be true. So I'm enjoying it.
You know, the daily battles of trying to keep him
in front and also trying to attack him, and you know,
he's all brought in on the team being successful. So yeah,
I've loved playing with him so far.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
When you sign for the team match, I think Mordi
Mayor was the coach. I know he's departed now, but
how important was he in getting you across the Tasman.

Speaker 15 (01:39:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:39:59):
That was That was really the main reason that I signed,
to be honest, you know, I was excited about a
coach that was kind of well own for I guess
role clarity, for a guy who had a very thorough
system and you know, made people buy into that and
made people play a certain way. And you know, we
saw the success they had a couple of years ago
when they pushed Sydney in the in the game five

(01:40:20):
of Grand Final Series and some of their guys were
just excelling in their skill sets and that for me
was a major sign where I wanted to get back
to being a guy that could play his role. But also,
you know, just just have a coach that understood who
he was and from talking to Mody that was that
was really the deciding factor, is that I thought he
understood who I was as a player the best.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
So I guess the natural follow on question is now
that he's departed, are you in any way sick and
guessing your decision? Or have you have you found Pater
Copingan to be a coach. You can also feel like
you can make a you know, have a.

Speaker 26 (01:40:53):
Fit with Yeah, not at all. It's been actually really fun.
You know, it's obviously very different, you know, first year
head coach coming in compared to Mody. But at the
same time, I think they you know, we have we
have Soxy carryover from the previous year, who was an
assistant coach and he's now associate head coach, and you know,

(01:41:13):
he carries over some of the systems that we had
and some of the thoughts that Mody had. And I
had a really good phone call with him after Murdy
departed and before preseason started about role and it was
very very similar and they were clearly on the same page.
So you know, it wasn't like a complete disconnect. All right,
we're going to do everything differently. There was a lot
of carryover. And then Cop comes in and I mean

(01:41:34):
he played at such a high level, and you know
that that level of European basketball, you know you need
to think and you need to stick into your system
because everyone is so good and the margins is so small.
So I think he's brought that with him to us
and we understand, Look, we're the underdogs. You know we are,
so you know, we have to be so good in
little areas and everyone's brought into that, all.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
Right, So tonight south East Melbourne, Phoenix. So you're nixt
to Simon, how do you assist the threat that they'll bring.

Speaker 26 (01:41:59):
Yeah, we know that. You know, offensively, if you let
them run and gun, they're going to put a lot
of points on the board. We saw that throughout the
preseason and you see that in the roster. You know,
they've got a lot of guys who like to just
go and and if you let them do it, they'll
do it for forty minutes and they'll gladly put one
hundred and twenty. So you know, we've got to contain
them tonight. We've got to be really good in that
in that area. But you know we've also got to

(01:42:20):
put the pressure on them when they're on defense as well,
and then put you know, put some scoreboard pressure on.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
And how much you're looking forward to I mean you've
been you've played at Spark a lot, but not as
a not as a home player. How much you're looking
forward to that?

Speaker 26 (01:42:32):
Yeah, it's a very different look. I think I still
haven't been in there, you know, even for a shoot around,
So it'll be cool checking it out and seeing it
from a different view. I said earlier this morning as
well that, uh, you know, I went to a concert there,
so I got to sit in the crowd and see
that it was different.

Speaker 15 (01:42:47):
You know.

Speaker 26 (01:42:47):
It was just like, oh, this is weird, Like it
doesn't look like this when I'm out there for basketball.
So now I'm excited, and we'll have the home crowd
behind us, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Yeah, good stuff. And just to finish, what what what
does success look like for the Breakers this season? Is
it as simple as just trying to make the playoffs
and then go from there.

Speaker 26 (01:43:06):
Well, I think it's a cliche to say win the championship,
you know, obviously, but that's everyone's goal, right, and I think,
you know, we're just taking out what game by game.
You know, everyone's going to have their opinions about where
we sit in terms of talent in our roster. But
we showed even throughout the preseason that we're in basically
every game throughout the Blitz and then in Brisbane, sorry
against Brisbane in Perth, you know, we're in every single game,

(01:43:28):
and then we let ourselves down, you know, later towards
the game, which is a controllable thing. So expectations for
us is to win every single game play and you know,
I don't think there'll be any adjustment on that. Yeah,
regardless of what our record is, We'll go into the
next game thinking, all right, if we execute our game plan,
we will win. Just have to make enough shot. So yeah,
and that until that changes, which I don't think it will.

(01:43:49):
That's the goal.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Great to have you and a Breakers single it much.
Thanks for taking the time for a chet today all
the beast tonight, thanks so much, Thank you much much. McCarran.
There from the Breakers, they take on the Southeast Melbourn
Phoenix Tonight's Park Arena seven point thirty is tip off
after the ninety one eighty seven win last week. Following,
the Breakers are off to the United States where they'll
take on the Utah Jazz, the Philadelphia seventy six is

(01:44:12):
and the OKC Thunder. So nice little, nice little diversion
from the Australian National Basketball League for them three games
against NBA sides in early October and then back for
the resumption of the Australian National Basketball League season. North
Harbor have scored three converted tries in the first sixteen
minutes against Canterbury at Albany, they lead twenty one to

(01:44:34):
nil now through twenty two minutes in that game and
the other Bunnings MPC match going on at the moment,
and in the Cargol Whitcutta we've scored a couple of
converted tries. They lead the South and Stags fourteen points
to nil after twenty minutes there to twenty eight. When
we come back, we'll go to Barcelona where the challengers
areas for the America's Cup is ongoing. Luna Rossa and

(01:44:56):
Ineos Britannia battling for the right to take on Emirates
Team New Zealand for the America's Cup. There was a
well there went any results overnight, but there was some racing.
However it was timed out. We'll give you a bit
more detail on this when we're joined by America's Cup
analyst Chris Steel right after this on Weekend Sport.

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
It's more than just a game.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
Weekends for it with Jason Vine and GJ. Guvnerhomes New Zealand's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Most trusted home builder News Dogs B twenty nine to three,
Day two of the America's Cup Challenger Series between Anios
Britannia and Lunar Rossa has been eventually timed out. This
is the race committee.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
We have reached the time limit and this race is stopped.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Well, guess who's happy about that.

Speaker 23 (01:45:41):
That's the Lunar Rossa fans and they have fair reason
to feel happy about that, because, let's be honest, the
way that any Odds Britanny we're racing in those light
air conditions was just beautiful to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
They were so in control until that moment, so neither
boat could finish the opening race after coming off their foils.
The start was already delayed a couple of hours because
of light winds. Racing was called off for the day
and resume again tomorrow, Races three and four in the
series to be run in what is forecast to be
a much more reliable breeze. Elite Sailor match Racer and

(01:46:16):
the America's Cup analyst Chris Steele is with us. Chris
tell us the story of the day and the racing
that you did see, albeit cut short by a lack
of breeze near the end.

Speaker 15 (01:46:29):
Oh, mate, it was a super interesting day.

Speaker 27 (01:46:32):
Obviously, the delay with the wind like conditions most of
the forecasting sort of models that we were looking at
and actually had the breeze of building in the afternoon,
it never really sort of came in, so it was
looking like for a while they might not actually race,
but obviously it all happens pretty quickly and they're up
on the foils and into a prestart, and although they

(01:46:53):
actually didn't finish the race, it was super interesting to
see the two boats. You know, for me personally what
I've seen, I thought Londa Ross was going to be
extremely strong in those conditions and sort of sweep the
floor with any of us, but no, it was it
was kind of a story that kind of went back
and forward in the race. The the Brits got in

(01:47:14):
front early and then the Italians were managed to get
past them on the first run, and I thought that
was kind of going to be the end of it.
But yeah, then the Bridge took the lead back and
then the breeze started to drop, and I was super
impressed with with Anios's pace in those conditions.

Speaker 17 (01:47:30):
I thought that was.

Speaker 27 (01:47:30):
Probably going to be the one one area where they
might be lacking in performance. It sort of seemed like
when it was for seven or eight knots, they definitely
had a speed edge, but as soon as it dropped
just below that sort of that six knight area where
the boat's trying to stay on the foils, that the
Italians were definitely looking a little bit cleaner and faster.
So yeah, unfortunately, in the end the breeze dropped out

(01:47:52):
all together and both boats came off the foils and
they weren't actually able to finish. But in terms of
you know, watching an exciting race lead changes, you know,
leads sort of gamping out and then disappearing really quickly,
I thought it was a pretty good spectacle.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
So how disappointed would those on board and the asked
pre tenure have been because what they were ahead, weren't
they They had what gone around the fifth mark as
I understand it, but just couldn't get up on the
foils in time to get inside the forty five minutes.

Speaker 27 (01:48:21):
Yeah, I mean the Brits will definitely probably feel a
little bit more upset with the result because they had
a pretty good lead going up the last up on Leagan,
and you know, to try and sort of put it
into some contexts, once these boats are up on the foils,
you know, you can stay up on the foil. Once
you're up and sort of you know, lower end conditions,

(01:48:44):
but once you come off, you know you can't get
back up. So basically they're in a position where it
was a lightning breeze and if they had managed to
stay on the foil, they would have been able to
finish that race and plenty of time, no worries. But
they had a bit of a slip up and one
of the attacks on the last up on legan and
came off the foil, and you know, at that point

(01:49:04):
that was kind of the race because it was it
was pretty clear that once they came off, it.

Speaker 15 (01:49:08):
Wasn't gonna be enough breeze to get them back up.

Speaker 27 (01:49:10):
And given the length of the course, even though they
only had one more sort of league to go to
the finish, there's just.

Speaker 15 (01:49:15):
Not going to be any way that they were going
to be able to do it when they were in
splacement boat, So they'll they'll be feeling pretty sort of upset.

Speaker 27 (01:49:21):
But on the flip side, Lunda Rossa was leading that
race at one point as well and made a couple
of mistakes on.

Speaker 15 (01:49:28):
The down and it was a super dynamic day. Breeze
was shifting around. You know, the pressure was.

Speaker 27 (01:49:34):
Sort of up and down in different areas, so I
think both teams will feel like they missed out on opportunities.

Speaker 15 (01:49:39):
But you know, at the end of the day, no.

Speaker 27 (01:49:41):
Points lost on either side, so they'll they'll probably both
be relieved in that regard, and you know, the story
doesn't change for either of them. They still were to
get to seven points, So back to square one and
go again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
Who feels favored to you, Chris and stronger breezes.

Speaker 27 (01:50:00):
Honestly, like, looking at the racing over the last few days,
I think the boats are extremely mostly matched in terms
of performance. I think if you had to put your
finger on one boat having any sort of advantage anywhere.
I think the Brits are slightly quicker downwind, and you
know that's kind of a trend that's continued on from
the preliminary together. But in terms of the upland performance,

(01:50:24):
looking at some of the data, like there really isn't
much in it at all, So it really is just
going to come down, I think, to who gets off
the start line in front and who makes this mistakes
around the racetrack.

Speaker 15 (01:50:35):
We've sort of.

Speaker 27 (01:50:36):
Seen already that with this type of racing in these boats.
It is extremely hard to make passes around on the racetrack,
so you know, if you can get control at the
start and get your upper hand and it's kind of
your race to lose from there. So yeah, if I
had to pick anyone, I've always sort of set up
until this point, I thought Leonda Rossa was probably the favorite.
But the Brits have made some massive strides forward in

(01:50:58):
the last sort of week or ten days, and you know,
on paper, I think you know that they might have
a slight edge performance wise, but we haven't seen you know,
a range of conditions yet. We've kind of seen both
both ends upper limit and lower limit, and you know
tomorrow the breeze is going to be up again, so

(01:51:19):
you know, on paper, with the trends, I think the
Brits should should probably feel pretty comfortable. But you know,
I definitely would wouldn't be writing Luna Roster off either.
I think it starts are just going to going to
be super important, and yeah, it's going to be a
good to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Yeah, still a very intriguing Challenger series. And as far
as Team New Zealand concerned, Chris, what did we learn
about them during their participation in the Louis Vuitton.

Speaker 27 (01:51:43):
Well, we learned that they're certainly still kind of picking
up where they left off, and Auckland he's doing, you know,
on the last cup date.

Speaker 15 (01:51:50):
They're definitely quick, and I think one of the.

Speaker 27 (01:51:53):
Interesting things, you know, to take away from that preliminary
regatta was they were sort of using what we call
like an asymmetric set up in terms of the foils,
so the foil on one side of the boat was
actually different to the other side, and they were using
I guess that regarded to test the.

Speaker 15 (01:52:09):
Different setups and those different foils.

Speaker 27 (01:52:10):
And so when it comes to the actually America's Cup,
they'll obviously put themselves, they'll choose one of those those
foils and it'll be the same on both sides. But
you know, it's super interesting because they they are very
much using there as a testing period and they were
fast on both both techs. So you know, certainly we
haven't seen them play all their cards, that's for sure,

(01:52:33):
but you know, from the outside.

Speaker 15 (01:52:34):
Looking, you know, I think they'll be I'll be pretty
confident right now.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Look forward to seeing what happens when they find their challenger.
Thanks Chris, appreciate your time, Chris Steel, their leading match
racer Elite Sailor America's Cup analyst out of Barcelona, where
there were no points awarded on day two. They shared
the races on day one, so it's one apiece in
the race to seven between any Os Britannia and Lunar Rossa.

(01:52:58):
As you heard during our chat with Chris and the
commentary who played earlier, the fact the race was called
off was of probably great relief to Luna Rossa into
the slight annoyance of Inneos Bretanna, who were doing well
even in the light wins. So an intriguing series will
be resuming tonight when they'll have races three and four.
And as I said to Christ there, the forecast is

(01:53:21):
for much more favorable conditions, are far more reliable breeze,
so we should get the two races away to see
if one of Britannia or Luna Rossa can get a
jump on the other. As the battle to be the
America's Cup challenger to Team New Zealand heats up Canterbury,
I have decided to start playing in this game of
rugby against North Harbor. They've scored a couple of tries

(01:53:41):
one of those converted twenty one points to twelve. Now
North Harbor leaed Canterbury at Albany with seven and a
half minutes still remaining. Joe Moody still playing for Canterbury.
I note they just flashed him up on the screen here.
Southland and white cuttle and in the Cargo just gone
half an hour there and Southland have scored a tripe
fourteen points to five White Cutter over the Stags down

(01:54:03):
in the Cargo. But of league football going on as well.
Kashmere Tech have made a bit of a statement early
in the season. It's round one this weekend. They've beaten
Western Suburbs four nil. That was away from home. That
was at Western Suburbs home ground of in Deva Park,
Cashmere Tech winning that one for nil. That was an
early game. A couple of games going on at the moment.
Auckland City and Birkenhead had just kicked off nil mill there.

(01:54:26):
Napier City Rovers meantime lead Western Springs three nil approaching
half time in their match in Napier. So a good
start in coming for the boys from the Hawk's Bay
in the National League. Four men two forty when we
come back We're off to Canada this time where the
Black Ferns are. They're in the WXV one series. This

(01:54:48):
is the Elite women's rugby International competition to end the year.
They've got three test matches coming up over the next
three weeks. They play England in France, but first up
it's Ireland tomorrow in Vancouver. Assistant coach Mike Delaney going
to join us after this.

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