March 21, 2025 • 12 mins
The name on everyone's lips in athletics circles both here and around the world is Sam Ruthe.
The Tauranga 15-year-old's sent the running world into a spin by becoming the youngest athlete to ever run a sub four-minute mile - clocking 3:58.35 at the Mt Smart track in Auckland.
Nick Willis is one of our very best middle-distance runners, and joined Piney to discuss Sam's achievement and his future in the sport.
“It really sets the stage for a really exciting and promising future ahead.”
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk sed B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The name on everyone's lips in athletic circles both here
and around the world at the moment is Sam Ruth,
who captured global headlines during the week becoming the youngest
athlete ever to run a Subfuurmanut mile. Sam Tanner lead
Sam Ruth onto the home straight.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Here they come. The crowd roars them down the home straight.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Eric Comedia out Smart Stadium, Sam Tanna smiling.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Sam Routh's right now.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Oh that's a sub for baby.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
That's a sub for both Ben Paul and Sam Ruth.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Joe sub for in the mile.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
There's number forty nine, number fifty. Wowie, wowie. Indeed, Nick
Willis is one of our very best middle distance runners.
In fact, New Zealand's only two time Olympic medallist in
the fifteen hundred meters silver in two thousand and eight
in Beijing, Bronze at Rio in twenty sixteen. Nick, I
(01:19):
seem to remember you battling it out with Sam's dad,
Ben Ruth back in the day in Wellington Secondary schools athletics.
Have I got that right?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I don't even think it was a battle. He was
miles ahead of me. He was a seventh former when
I was the third form. So yeah, no, Ben was
the local Wellington legend and all of us looked up
to and we all were sort of seeing how far
we could get in the sport. And he was a
great mentor and a good friend over the years as well.
So we've kept in touching, especially with Sam's meteorite rise
(01:51):
in the last three or four months, so that's been
fun to sort of touch base with Ben through this
process as well.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I'll ask you a bit more about that in a moment,
in terms of any advice you've been passing on or
the connection you've got, But in terms of what Sam
achieved on Wednesday night going under four minutes for the
mile as a fifteen year old, can you somehow put
into context for us just what a feat that is.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I mean, the best context I use for myself is
that my best for the fifteen hundred meters, which is
one hundred and nine meters shorter than a mile at
that same age, was four zero nine, So I would
have been about two hundred and fifty to three hundred
meters behind him. When he crossed that line in the
same time, so that sort of shows And I was
(02:38):
the national champion at the time for my age, so
I thought that was a pretty good effort.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So he's so much further.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Ahead, and we all know how great the younger, the
young yakub Ainger Bricksent is. He's sort of the biggest
name in our sport these days, and he said all
of the youth age group records and now Sam's taken
his first one of yuk cubs in the mile, So yeah,
it really sets the stage for a really exciting and
(03:03):
promising future ahead. But most of to me, honestly, is
that there was a lot of pressure going into this race.
They called their goal publicly and they invited the crowd down,
and they did it on a New Zealand track and
it was catered around him producing this moment, and the
pressure didn't get the best of them. If anything, he
rose to the occasion. So I think that's what also
(03:25):
sort of gives me a lot of hope and excitement
for the future, as he would like leave this small
pond and onto the big, scary ocean of the world athletics.
But I think he will handle that pressure and a
problem at all.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
In terms of his age, Nick, when would a middle
distance runner, a fifteen hundred meters runner, a miler typically
reach their peak? I know you're an outline because you
were winning bronze medals into your thirties, but when would
the middle distance runner typically reach their peak?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
I mean, yeah, the historically we used to say sort
of twenty four to twenty seven was the peak age.
But the next crop of kids coming through I call
him kids because I still viewed them that way in most.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Through last three or four years.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
There's there's a handful of them all now doing incredibly
well Inger Bricks and as we all know very well,
but in fifth place at the Olympics has pass year
In the fifteen hundred was this guy named Neils Laros
from the Netherlands who ran three twenty nine and now
young cam Myles.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
He's only eighteen.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
He just ran a three forty seven mile from Australia,
so he's only three years older than Sam, but he's
running eleven seconds fastest. So there's there's a whole crop
of these younger guys coming through now. So you almost
need to be doing what Sam's doing if you want
to be considered a medal threat in the next one
or two Olympics.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
How technical a rice is if we talk fifteen hundred
meters here, how technical a rice is.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
That Well, of late, they haven't been tactical at all
because Inger Brickson goes to the front and just pushes
it hard from the gun and they all just get
on the train. So you've got to have the endurance,
and they were all to just get on that and
hang on for dear life. But I have a suspicion
once he moves up exclusively to the longer distances, then
(05:09):
there may be a couple of championship races which would
be more like the ones that I used to take
part in them, where people sort of bided their time
until the bell lap. But Sam, I was debating with
my dad about this, and he wasn't sure about Sam's
closing speed, but he certainly showed that he had that
in the New Zealand Championships just a couple of weeks
ago in Dunedin where he dead heated with Sam Tana
(05:31):
with a withering sprint over the last four hundred meters.
So I think he's got He's got all of the
tools that you need to speed the endurance. But probably
more important than all of that stuff is that he's
got an incredibly stable environment at home with his parents,
and then his coach and his training partner, and Craig
Kirk with the coach, and then Sam Tana his training partner.
(05:53):
He's really got the full shabang when it comes to
making sure that there's the right people around him to
foster this talent, but also shelter him from some of
the distractions and tentations that might the way in terms
of sponsorships or agents or other coaches trying to lure
him away. He can just sort of keep doing what
he's doing, go for a few laps around the mount
(06:15):
and enjoy his time just being a lad in total,
while also having some amazing results as well.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I was going to ask you that because I can
imagine that, you know, a lot of young athletes don't
have family parents, for example, who have been good at
the same thing that they're good at, so they could
easily have their head turned as you say, Nick bye
by you know, deals with footwear manufacturers or university you know,
scholarships and such like. How helpful do you think it'll
(06:43):
be for Sam that he's got his dad, Ben as
one of his biggest guiders.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah, I'm sure Ben's Ben and his mum's Jess are
not immune to some of those temptations as well, because hey,
I'm a parent. I get excited when my son's playing basketball,
and you sort of ride your kid's coattails a little bit.
But Ben has the connections right to ask the right questions,
and that's partly why he reached out to me a
month or so ago, like, Hey, all these shoe companies
are reaching out to me, like what's what's considered market
(07:12):
read and all that sort of stuff, And that's the
line of work that I'm in. But he's he's also
a successful business owner himself, so they're probably not as
a need to make a hasty decision on that front
as well. But the main thing they want to do
is like keep their options open. And once you sort
of head down certain paths, it's hard to turn back from.
(07:33):
So keep all of the options out in front of
you so that as Sam gets older and he can
make his own decisions, they're still there presented.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
How helpful do you assess Sam Tanner has been for
Sam Ruth? I mean, first of all, on the pacemaking
on Wednesday night, that clearly was a big help. But
in terms of being alongside a you know, now a
fairly experienced fifteen hundred meter runner.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, not just his experience at the very top.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
For anyone who's ever been around Sam, he's he's probably
the most enthusiastic, enthusiastic and positive person I've ever been around.
And nearly everyone who you'll see who's ever met Sam
will feel that same way as well.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
He's got just just.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Like charismatic enthusiasm that just it just emanates off of
his presence and like it just makes everyone a better
people around him. And so, first of all, Sam's around
that example, but also having been someone that, yeah, has
done it at the very top, and Sam Tanner is
because of that attitude that he has, He's also pretty
(08:35):
care free, so he doesn't let the stress get the
best of him. He's a surfer as his background, so
he's pretty laid back and going to an Olympic start
line doesn't intimidate him at all and it's just oh
sweet as bro. So I think that a lot of that,
just like seeing that example and then coming alongside has
really helped Sam. Ruth but also the fact that Sam
(08:56):
Tanner doesn't have an ego and has no problem cheering
him along this whole way. And sometimes it's hard to
have two alphas in a training group, there starts to
be some sort of tension brewing, but that wouldn't be
the case at all with Sam Tanner. He's excited to
help Sam Ruth along as best as he can.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Which I think you were with Sam Tanner, would you?
Did I see that you pace? You were pacemaker when
Sam Tana first went sub four? Is that right?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
It was all for show, though I deep DOWNE was
insecure it.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Now I'm just joking.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
No, that's fun, right, Like a lot of us are
fans first before the talent sort of gets a chance
to realize itself. So like I, as much as in
and us want to see the next New Zealand Great
Mala come through.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And so.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Sam Tanner, hopefully you have as time get break my
New Zealand record and breat Peter Snells and John Walker's records,
and hopefully when a middle or two and then Sam
Ruth you're about to keep the keep the momentum going.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So that would be the ideal world.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But it also helps Sam Tanner out right because he's
decided to not be based overseas and be boast in
total on so rather than just training.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
With high school kids he is.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
It just has happens that one of them is the
greatest fifteen year old of all time. So he'll now
have a world class training partner to help keep him
on his toes and make sure he doesn't sort of
get a bit complacent. And the nine months of the
year when you're not racing over in Europe and just.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Back to Sam Ruth to finish. Is all of this
happening perhaps in any way too quickly? Nick? Could there
be a danger that this is all happening so so quickly.
We're talking now about a Commonwealth Games next year that
he could go to as a sixteen year old and
Olympic Games in a couple of years as an eighteen
year old. Is this all happening a little bit too
quickly or not?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I think his team around him are asking the right
questions and are going to make some wise decisions. And
you want to expose him to opportunities because you want
him to stay excited, but you also don't want to
miss out on what has made him such a good
runner as doing the real basics that is required in
the other nine months of the year, training so that
(11:07):
you can peak at the time of the year.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
The hard thing is a key Wes.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You're in an opposite hemisphere, so the seasons are reversed,
so you've got to pick and choose your battles wisely
when you go to the Northern Hemisphere to race against
those Northern Hemisphere athletes, and it's necessary, but you can't
always sacrifice the off season training that has done behind
(11:30):
closed doors that.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Helps you become the great athlete you are.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
So I'm sure they'll pick and choose those battles and
one day he will have to make the decision that
he's too big for the New Zealand scene and he
will still base there, but he will train through the
New Zealand summer and pretend that it's like the Northern
Hemisphere winter and focuses racing in the June July August
time frame. But I don't think that's necessary in the
next couple of years, but I'm sure Craig and Ben
(11:54):
and their team will make the good decisions.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Exciting times ahead. Nick, thanks so much for joining us
to lend us your analysis and inside always appreciate you're
taking the time. Good to catch up as well. All
the best and we'll talk again. So no hope.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Hey, thanks Jason, take care bybe.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, you take care as well. Nick nick will is there,
a double Olympic medalist in the fifteen hundred meters, still
closely connected by the sounds of things to the Ruth
family through his relationship with Sam's dad Benruth.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk Set B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk sed B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The name on everyone's lips in athletic circles both here
and around the world at the moment is Sam Ruth,
who captured global headlines during the week becoming the youngest
athlete ever to run a Subfuurmanut mile. Sam Tanner lead
Sam Ruth onto the home straight.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Here they come. The crowd roars them down the home straight.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Eric Comedia out Smart Stadium, Sam Tanna smiling.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Sam Routh's right now.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Oh that's a sub for baby.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
That's a sub for both Ben Paul and Sam Ruth.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Joe sub for in the mile.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
There's number forty nine, number fifty. Wowie, wowie. Indeed, Nick
Willis is one of our very best middle distance runners.
In fact, New Zealand's only two time Olympic medallist in
the fifteen hundred meters silver in two thousand and eight
in Beijing, Bronze at Rio in twenty sixteen. Nick, I
(01:19):
seem to remember you battling it out with Sam's dad,
Ben Ruth back in the day in Wellington Secondary schools athletics.
Have I got that right?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I don't even think it was a battle. He was
miles ahead of me. He was a seventh former when
I was the third form. So yeah, no, Ben was
the local Wellington legend and all of us looked up
to and we all were sort of seeing how far
we could get in the sport. And he was a
great mentor and a good friend over the years as well.
So we've kept in touching, especially with Sam's meteorite rise
(01:51):
in the last three or four months, so that's been
fun to sort of touch base with Ben through this
process as well.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I'll ask you a bit more about that in a moment,
in terms of any advice you've been passing on or
the connection you've got, But in terms of what Sam
achieved on Wednesday night going under four minutes for the
mile as a fifteen year old, can you somehow put
into context for us just what a feat that is.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I mean, the best context I use for myself is
that my best for the fifteen hundred meters, which is
one hundred and nine meters shorter than a mile at
that same age, was four zero nine, So I would
have been about two hundred and fifty to three hundred
meters behind him. When he crossed that line in the
same time, so that sort of shows And I was
(02:38):
the national champion at the time for my age, so
I thought that was a pretty good effort.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
So he's so much further.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Ahead, and we all know how great the younger, the
young yakub Ainger Bricksent is. He's sort of the biggest
name in our sport these days, and he said all
of the youth age group records and now Sam's taken
his first one of yuk cubs in the mile, So yeah,
it really sets the stage for a really exciting and
(03:03):
promising future ahead. But most of to me, honestly, is
that there was a lot of pressure going into this race.
They called their goal publicly and they invited the crowd down,
and they did it on a New Zealand track and
it was catered around him producing this moment, and the
pressure didn't get the best of them. If anything, he
rose to the occasion. So I think that's what also
(03:25):
sort of gives me a lot of hope and excitement
for the future, as he would like leave this small
pond and onto the big, scary ocean of the world athletics.
But I think he will handle that pressure and a
problem at all.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
In terms of his age, Nick, when would a middle
distance runner, a fifteen hundred meters runner, a miler typically
reach their peak? I know you're an outline because you
were winning bronze medals into your thirties, but when would
the middle distance runner typically reach their peak?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
I mean, yeah, the historically we used to say sort
of twenty four to twenty seven was the peak age.
But the next crop of kids coming through I call
him kids because I still viewed them that way in most.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Through last three or four years.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
There's there's a handful of them all now doing incredibly
well Inger Bricks and as we all know very well,
but in fifth place at the Olympics has pass year
In the fifteen hundred was this guy named Neils Laros
from the Netherlands who ran three twenty nine and now
young cam Myles.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
He's only eighteen.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
He just ran a three forty seven mile from Australia,
so he's only three years older than Sam, but he's
running eleven seconds fastest. So there's there's a whole crop
of these younger guys coming through now. So you almost
need to be doing what Sam's doing if you want
to be considered a medal threat in the next one
or two Olympics.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
How technical a rice is if we talk fifteen hundred
meters here, how technical a rice is.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
That Well, of late, they haven't been tactical at all
because Inger Brickson goes to the front and just pushes
it hard from the gun and they all just get
on the train. So you've got to have the endurance,
and they were all to just get on that and
hang on for dear life. But I have a suspicion
once he moves up exclusively to the longer distances, then
(05:09):
there may be a couple of championship races which would
be more like the ones that I used to take
part in them, where people sort of bided their time
until the bell lap. But Sam, I was debating with
my dad about this, and he wasn't sure about Sam's
closing speed, but he certainly showed that he had that
in the New Zealand Championships just a couple of weeks
ago in Dunedin where he dead heated with Sam Tana
(05:31):
with a withering sprint over the last four hundred meters.
So I think he's got He's got all of the
tools that you need to speed the endurance. But probably
more important than all of that stuff is that he's
got an incredibly stable environment at home with his parents,
and then his coach and his training partner, and Craig
Kirk with the coach, and then Sam Tana his training partner.
(05:53):
He's really got the full shabang when it comes to
making sure that there's the right people around him to
foster this talent, but also shelter him from some of
the distractions and tentations that might the way in terms
of sponsorships or agents or other coaches trying to lure
him away. He can just sort of keep doing what
he's doing, go for a few laps around the mount
(06:15):
and enjoy his time just being a lad in total,
while also having some amazing results as well.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I was going to ask you that because I can
imagine that, you know, a lot of young athletes don't
have family parents, for example, who have been good at
the same thing that they're good at, so they could
easily have their head turned as you say, Nick bye
by you know, deals with footwear manufacturers or university you know,
scholarships and such like. How helpful do you think it'll
(06:43):
be for Sam that he's got his dad, Ben as
one of his biggest guiders.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah, I'm sure Ben's Ben and his mum's Jess are
not immune to some of those temptations as well, because hey,
I'm a parent. I get excited when my son's playing basketball,
and you sort of ride your kid's coattails a little bit.
But Ben has the connections right to ask the right questions,
and that's partly why he reached out to me a
month or so ago, like, Hey, all these shoe companies
are reaching out to me, like what's what's considered market
(07:12):
read and all that sort of stuff, And that's the
line of work that I'm in. But he's he's also
a successful business owner himself, so they're probably not as
a need to make a hasty decision on that front
as well. But the main thing they want to do
is like keep their options open. And once you sort
of head down certain paths, it's hard to turn back from.
(07:33):
So keep all of the options out in front of
you so that as Sam gets older and he can
make his own decisions, they're still there presented.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
How helpful do you assess Sam Tanner has been for
Sam Ruth? I mean, first of all, on the pacemaking
on Wednesday night, that clearly was a big help. But
in terms of being alongside a you know, now a
fairly experienced fifteen hundred meter runner.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, not just his experience at the very top.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
For anyone who's ever been around Sam, he's he's probably
the most enthusiastic, enthusiastic and positive person I've ever been around.
And nearly everyone who you'll see who's ever met Sam
will feel that same way as well.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
He's got just just.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Like charismatic enthusiasm that just it just emanates off of
his presence and like it just makes everyone a better
people around him. And so, first of all, Sam's around
that example, but also having been someone that, yeah, has
done it at the very top, and Sam Tanner is
because of that attitude that he has, He's also pretty
(08:35):
care free, so he doesn't let the stress get the
best of him. He's a surfer as his background, so
he's pretty laid back and going to an Olympic start
line doesn't intimidate him at all and it's just oh
sweet as bro. So I think that a lot of that,
just like seeing that example and then coming alongside has
really helped Sam. Ruth but also the fact that Sam
(08:56):
Tanner doesn't have an ego and has no problem cheering
him along this whole way. And sometimes it's hard to
have two alphas in a training group, there starts to
be some sort of tension brewing, but that wouldn't be
the case at all with Sam Tanner. He's excited to
help Sam Ruth along as best as he can.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Which I think you were with Sam Tanner, would you?
Did I see that you pace? You were pacemaker when
Sam Tana first went sub four? Is that right?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
It was all for show, though I deep DOWNE was
insecure it.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Now I'm just joking.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
No, that's fun, right, Like a lot of us are
fans first before the talent sort of gets a chance
to realize itself. So like I, as much as in
and us want to see the next New Zealand Great
Mala come through.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And so.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Sam Tanner, hopefully you have as time get break my
New Zealand record and breat Peter Snells and John Walker's records,
and hopefully when a middle or two and then Sam
Ruth you're about to keep the keep the momentum going.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So that would be the ideal world.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But it also helps Sam Tanner out right because he's
decided to not be based overseas and be boast in
total on so rather than just training.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
With high school kids he is.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
It just has happens that one of them is the
greatest fifteen year old of all time. So he'll now
have a world class training partner to help keep him
on his toes and make sure he doesn't sort of
get a bit complacent. And the nine months of the
year when you're not racing over in Europe and just.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Back to Sam Ruth to finish. Is all of this
happening perhaps in any way too quickly? Nick? Could there
be a danger that this is all happening so so quickly.
We're talking now about a Commonwealth Games next year that
he could go to as a sixteen year old and
Olympic Games in a couple of years as an eighteen
year old. Is this all happening a little bit too
quickly or not?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I think his team around him are asking the right
questions and are going to make some wise decisions. And
you want to expose him to opportunities because you want
him to stay excited, but you also don't want to
miss out on what has made him such a good
runner as doing the real basics that is required in
the other nine months of the year, training so that
(11:07):
you can peak at the time of the year.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
The hard thing is a key Wes.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You're in an opposite hemisphere, so the seasons are reversed,
so you've got to pick and choose your battles wisely
when you go to the Northern Hemisphere to race against
those Northern Hemisphere athletes, and it's necessary, but you can't
always sacrifice the off season training that has done behind
(11:30):
closed doors that.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Helps you become the great athlete you are.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
So I'm sure they'll pick and choose those battles and
one day he will have to make the decision that
he's too big for the New Zealand scene and he
will still base there, but he will train through the
New Zealand summer and pretend that it's like the Northern
Hemisphere winter and focuses racing in the June July August
time frame. But I don't think that's necessary in the
next couple of years, but I'm sure Craig and Ben
(11:54):
and their team will make the good decisions.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Exciting times ahead. Nick, thanks so much for joining us
to lend us your analysis and inside always appreciate you're
taking the time. Good to catch up as well. All
the best and we'll talk again. So no hope.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Hey, thanks Jason, take care bybe.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, you take care as well. Nick nick will is there,
a double Olympic medalist in the fifteen hundred meters, still
closely connected by the sounds of things to the Ruth
family through his relationship with Sam's dad Benruth.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk Set B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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Decisions, Decisions
Welcome to "Decisions, Decisions," the podcast where boundaries are pushed, and conversations get candid! Join your favorite hosts, Mandii B and WeezyWTF, as they dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often-taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. Every Monday, Mandii and Weezy invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, they share their personal journeys navigating their 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engaging in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations. From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that resonate with your experiences, "Decisions, Decisions" is your go-to source for open dialogue about what it truly means to love and connect in today's world. Get ready to reshape your understanding of relationships and embrace the freedom of authentic connections—tune in and join the conversation!