February 27, 2025 • 34 mins
The government has announced changes to laws surrounding citizens arrests, but the policy is light on detail and opposed by Retail NZ and the Police Association - and how will it work in practice.
Also, with both names being floated around the Wellington rumour mill, will Mark Sainsbury or Ben McNulty run for mayor?
Sainsbury, a broadcaster, and McNulty, a Wellington City Councillor, joined Nick Mills for Friday Faceoff.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Joining. I could Friday based off this week is broadcaster?
Mark Sainsbury? Are you still called a broadcasting Look?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I'm still I'm here broadcasting with you Nick, of course
that yeah, I look I like to be doing more broadcasting.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I want to do a cash show. Anyone listening with
deep pockets?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
But yeah, I want to do a cash show. Maybe
me and you can do it.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, looking for different things to do.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Nick, Mark Sainsbury and Wellington City councilor been McNulty morning.
Have you changed your mind about running for me?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
No, not at all. I couldn't think of a worst job.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well what about you, Mark? I mean your name keeps Yeah,
well bendi about it?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
How many calls I got yesterday saying as listening to
z B we heard the promos for the face off.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You don't understand.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Look, I tell you if I thought I could help Wellington,
if I genuinely thought that I would do it in
a nanosecond.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, why you would help you. You can't make that
cold on, hold on, you cannot make that comment without
taking it one step further because you could help well.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But but I think what we have seen, and this
has been behind all my reasoning and stuff all the
way through and people because people it's come and said,
why don't you throw your hat in the ring, and
I go, no, no, no, This has gone on and on,
but we've seen what happens when someone So I've got
lots of experience in broadcasting and lots of experience in
dealing with people and that sort of thing. I've never
run a business, I've never run a large organization, and
(01:53):
we're seeing what's happened when someone comes into that job
without that experience. So my thing was, as much as
I love the idea of it, and I probably would
love to do it, you've got to be honest with
yourself about what your skill based. And I think you
could be doing a disservice to Wellington by taking on
something that you're not necessary fully equipped for. That's that's
(02:14):
that's that's where so you're completely ruled out.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So yeah, look that's.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Giving your luck and answer here.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That's already been said the other thing you've got. The
other thing You've got to remember. I'm looking at both
you here. You know you're right, you're right with everything
you said. But who is out there that's run a
billion dollar company? Well, because that's the size of the council.
So you're going to try. You're never going to find
a mayor that's going to have said, oh, you know what,
(02:42):
Bob Jones is going to apply for the job now.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
But look, you're you're you're You're a businessman. You run
businesses and things. Neck you can look at balance sheets
and different things and you know you can make it.
You know you're not a forensic accountant, but you are.
You are favored the basics and a lot of that stuff.
That's a that's a really valuable experience to have. And
what I'm saying is that Suden is something that's sort
of lacking in my CV.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So that's it's okay, Bean's not quite so forceful.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
No.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Look, I have my family. I like putting my son
to bed at eight o'clock every night. I like reading
a story, and I'm not going to give that up
for you know, the worst job in politics.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
You don't love your city.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
I love my city. I love my family more. Yeah,
I love I love my sanity. I think that. You know,
I went through the airport last year and that was
the most miserable political experience. When you're so called frenzy,
you know, doing everything to stab you in the back,
that kind of dynamic. It was miserable. My family felt
that when I took at home. I don't want them
to remember their dad being a cranky old.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Obvious, what are you staying? Nicky?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So I've got a tax builder sort out first before
before I stand up, let alone stand for easy.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Else you get one sixty a year in a car
that you can sell or not sell.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Law.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
You know, I have genuine.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I'd have genuine reason for selling my car, wouldn't I.
I would definitely be able to say, hey, I'm selling
my car.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
In a city like Wellington, this is fantastic. People should
be falling over themselves to be the mayor of the city.
They should be falling over them s.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
You're just so right, and that silence is deafening. That's
coming through. But the interesting thing is, I'm kind of
you have to have someone of experience from the meryal table,
from the council table to do the job well. But
then I think, well, Andy Foster was there for twenty
six years, and I don't think he did particularly well either.
So I see my preconceptions about what makes you qualified
out the window, and.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I hear that loud and clear, And that's one of
the reasons why I haven't thought about it seriously as
that whole you've got to be on the council and
you've got to do this, you've got to do that.
But I say that's all bordered ash. If you're actually
want if you're a natural born leader and you actually
want to go in there with the passion and the
brain to sort out. You've got a new CEO, so
you've not got any of the old crap that you
had before you got a new CEO. You'll potentially have
(04:53):
potentially have a new council around you, or a few
members a new council around you. If you're a leader,
that's that's give me the money, show me it, let
me go, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah? I guess so, I guess so.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
But it's just it just doesn't see mod that. I mean,
I thought people would be scraping over this.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I reckon they're just waiting for the lost, and they're
sort of saying, who's going to put their toe in
the water, and we have a bit of a scramble.
But it is pretty sad that we're as far out
and that the contest is still pretty dire and really dire.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I mean, if you look at some of the caliber
of the people that put their names in, I mean,
come on, you know, if we thought we're in trouble,
but now yeah, I mean potentially we're in you know, we're.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I don't want to I don't want to threatened defamation suit,
so I can't talk about one in particular, but you know, jeez, I.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Mean it's not I mean, you know, yeah, right, well
let's move on from that. We didn't find a mere
candidate out of that period. It didn't get anything that
was going to lead this You try it. Yeah, we're
we've got we've got nothing that's going to leave the
six o'clock news tonight coming out of one into the boardings,
out of that lot one. Intern city councils have voted
to investigate bringing car parks back into Gilmore Street next
(05:58):
to the Botanical Gardens, despite Glenmore Street, Did I say,
what do I say? Gilmore glen Street, Glenmore Street next
to the gardens. You know, I got the stereo. I've
got that. Three types, three people all said the same
thing at the same time. Glenbow Street next to the gardens,
despite removing four hundred and fifty of them last year.
I've got to start with you on this one, Ben.
(06:19):
Is the council. I mean, I'm going to make this
really simple. Is it because it's election yet that the
council is starting to listen to the people?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
No? And the chair of a committee, councilor Free has
been trying to bring forward this review for about six
months now. The minute those changes went in, the feedback
was overwhelming, and we hear a lot of the cycle
away goes in, it will be the end of the world.
It goes in, and actually it beds in pretty well
and the city moves on. That has not been the
case in Glenmore Street. So for months, behind the scenes, quietly,
(06:48):
there's been work to try and have this discussion about
is this working. What you saw yesterday was a little
bit more of a blunt force approach of we're not
being able to get progress doing this through the back channels,
and you saw something a lot louder saying, Hey, we
need to have a discussion about this because we're hearing
loud and clear from the community. This is causing really
genuine acts.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You're hearing loud and clear from the community about all
cycle ways. You're hearing loud and clear from the community
that they don't want caught the Golden Mile to start
until the next councilor, and you're hearing all that stuff
loud and clear, and you're not doing anything about that.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
You hear a lot from the community and support. And
that's the thing that I know.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That you're getting a lot of support on the Golden Mill.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
You do like the night before this was about a
year ago, we had one of the major votes on
the Golden Mile. There's about four hundred, five hundred emails
with flooded councilors and boxes and support. There is a
segment of the city. I know it's not the loudest segment,
but there are people really passionate about the transport changes,
about the urbanization changes, things like the Golden Mile. They're
not the ones that the loud voices in the media,
but to to scout them as a sizable portion of
(07:44):
the city and look at our MP's look at where
the election went. There is a lot of people in
Wellington that support and see that vision through. I just
don't think they're as loud so on a lot of
these debates. There are two loud camps on Glenmore Street.
It has been unlike any other transport change we've made
in the city in terms of the consistency and the
volume of feedback.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Mark I suggested that there have been five flip flops
in the last year. Yeah, you know, do you want
me to repeat them all year? I mean reading, reading, theater,
Kendala Pool, the airport. Well, come on, help me out.
There was five. There was five. It was there, house
house and I'm missing one. If my producer was listening,
(08:25):
he helped me out there. Where is it?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
How hard to get a good producer?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I got four out of the five. Ye I said,
they flip flopped on anyway, So there's been a lot
of flip flopping and it feels to me and I
want to get your opinion, because you move with and
shape with some shakers in the city that the shout
louder you shout, the more things get listened to.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
That's just not always the way. The squeaky wheel. And look,
I was thinking about the thing like that.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
You're that committee yesterday and you looked at that the
problems in Glenmore Street. How come that can't be identified
seems to be such a catastrophic one, isn't it wasn't working?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I mean, how many people actually use it?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yeah, well that was part of the reason you saw
that though, and it was pretty comprehensive six to yesterday.
We don't know how many people use it. The city
had rolled out a cycle away counter network. It stopped
reporting in June last year. So I have conversations at
the pub. I talk about, you know, some of the
benefits around you getting people safe, but how many people
use it? I can't answer that question, And as a counselor,
that's an unconscionable position to be in, which is why
(09:23):
I'm more than happy to have a debate on it
and bring forward a report because we need to.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Know why did they stop reporting on it? I mean
I would have thought you put in cycle ways. You know,
the data is showing how many people.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Used It's a shockingly common sense question. But they're moving
to a new, better system. But they found a bunch
of data validation issues with the old system, and it
doesn't really square with me because if you have an
old system and it's value, you keep that going. Will
you build a new system and you move over it
a day. They just cut off at June last year,
so between July to February, we don't know in any
part of the city, as councilors how cycle lanes are performing.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Me and Mark are just shaking your head. We're just
shaking our head.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
You get the warrant for why the committee said quite overwhelmingly,
we've got to have a discussion on us. We need
a report, We need the figures because you can't go
and defend or oppose these these types of projects if
you don't have the figures. And anecdotal reckons are one thing,
but counselors probably should make information on informed basis, and
we can't.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Do you think that the fact that they are making
a change or investigating making changes that they might look
at I'm not looking at Ben, I'm looking at you. Yeah,
might look at other changes and say, hey, this election year,
maybe if we do stop this, or we change this,
or we got rid of that cycle way, we might
be a little bit more palatable to vote for.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, I think that's the I mean, if you're already
starting to walk back different things and these things that
would be you know, it was never going to change.
You know, this is going in. We're defending this. They
helped them all of a sudden. No, that's not quite working.
So yeah, and should why should we be surprised at
sort of local democracy?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Why should we?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You were saying that, Oh, so they're listening to the people,
now are they? As the fact is something to shock.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
What a shocking state of affairs that is?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So I think some of these things that have backfired
and we're seeing decisions reversed and the sky hasn't actually
fallen in because of that, just getting sensible, I think
you may be going to see a bit more pregmatism
before the next election.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Did you speak to mea torri Fano after the vote
or anything? Do you really like you? Did you get
her understanding a way? She voted that way and her
next door to her, the other greenie what's his names,
Johnny Rodgers voted with her little lapdog. That's not a
lap dog, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
They made their case in debate there know they've been
a bit. I used to war it hysteric and I
got told off it. I shouldn't say hysteric for the reaction,
so a bit hyperbolic. I think about what this changes.
This is a report telling us is this working? What
options can we have? That's it, And they sort of
did paint that the sky's falling in that this was
entirely attack and it's like, just it's okay to get
(11:56):
information for just difficult discussions at the council. We shy
away from that all the time. Townhall budget blows out
three hundred and twenty million. Oh no, no, I don't get
an independent review rates. Can we get a ten percent
increase option instead of larger? No, no, we won't get there.
Like this council has attle wider cultural issue.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You're part of this council, you remember, I just go,
I'm going to take a break. But you you're talking
like you're you're.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
A one vote on eighteen and a committee.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know, Okay, all right, let's take a break. I'm
not picking on you, by the way, but I don't
want you. I don't want you getting an email from
you saying I'm no longer going to appear on Fridays
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(12:38):
want to run for me? Not not yet correct?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
That has hold five minutes thirty six.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Oh you're quite young, young enough to life's ahead of them,
now ahead of them, let's go. Governments introduced legislation that
will allow four year parliamentary to mark. This is your yeah,
your this is your story, right.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I mean I have argued for this for years now.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You want it, yeah, because I think the teams are
too short, fives too long, you know, because you could
be dying.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
You want to be able to get rid of someone.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Three.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
The problem is you get into this. I don't know
how the Americans do it. Were their two year.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Term for the Congress, but three years you get them.
You're finding your feet, you're starting to get your sort
of things going, and then you just got to start
campaigning for the next election. Effectively, you know, you never
have enough time to sort of follow through and put
things through. So I think a four year term makes
a lot of difference, saves us a bit of dough.
We can sort of we get funny about elections. You know,
as much as we sort of really value them, we
(13:33):
almost sort of hate them. We resent the sort of
the you know, people's mona, it's not that election time again,
you know, but you know, what are you going to have?
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Trump?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I love I love elections. I love the we're weird?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
What's not weird?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I think there were two types people like you and I,
and you'd be the same now that that you know,
we love that sort of thing and love the election
time and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Other people see. There are people who just don't listen.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
There are people who would not listen to a campaign speech,
won't follow the news, won't read the papers.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Do they vote not a local body?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean, what do you say to me? And Ben? Though?
Because if it goes to general election, will go to
local elections too, won't it?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
You would.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You would think, So that's not quite as good year. Maybe,
So what would you say now if you had another
eighteen months ago with this council?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, but it's been interesting to see how much of
a difference to be an attitude. I certainly think for
the for for national elections. A four year term makes
makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Can I tell you that a Bill who used to
be an old time journalist. Yeah, he ran the show
and said, why don't they do it four years for
the first term and then three after that?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Once it's not what if you get a change of
government then two then.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Well that's the idea of having the four years. So
when you change the government, you've got an extra year
to get yourself.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
There's another thing I'm talking about, and it's all going
to elect No, no, not, Look, don't complicate it. You know,
it's a four year term. And look if you you
look at Labor when they got in with an absolute majority,
which a thought could never happen again. You know, it
doesn't matter if you get in. You knows, as old
Cullen famously said, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
We won new loss that of you know, eat it politely.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, look, I think I think that four years just
makes more sense in terms of this get into this,
that this turning over all the time, where people are
campaigning all the time and we're not getting any sort
of all complain about lack of any policy, not that
most people like to actually read policy, but I want
to hear from politicians about ideas and things they're going
(15:43):
to do and plans, and you need the time to
put them into place.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Okay, I'm with mcnuldy, tell me what you think.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
So of course I have a vested interest in a
longer term, but not keep it at three. And that
is because we should be able to turf the bastards out.
It's that simple. You look at this government, who are
a year in. They're behind because people didn't vote for
this government. They voted against the last government and they've
actually gone what you're giving us a hot cup. It's
sick and people need that lever to be able to
turf the bastards out. And I extend that to local governments.
(16:13):
So you know, even with my vested interests, would be
nice to not have to do a campaign this year,
spend the money, door knock all of that would be
much easier. But I think that democratic lever is so important.
And we live in times when governments are unpopular everywhere,
but the governance system's failing across the world. Things are
flip flopping, and you've got to be responsive to let
the population have that it's controlled.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You saying things are flip flopping your gat Yeah, flip
popper gas. But I mean I want to know whether
you'd say that if there was a labor government and
right now.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Yeah, I've been pretty Look, there's a discussion within the
Labor Party about you know, should you because you know
I'm a Labor councilor for those listening, whether there should
be four years, But it's even something I've opposed. When
that's coming through the party as a policy, I just
think three.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I mean I must ask that question because you put
it out there. Do you have much to do with labor?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Honestly?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Pretty bugger all? Like you know, I might occasionally Kawaisher
or Karen because he's got the local government portfolio, talk
about we're having an issue, we're doing heritage reform with
the government at the.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Do they bring you up and say what are you
voting on this? We want you to vote on that.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
God though, like they've got problems to deal with in parliament,
like they you know, And this is the funny thing
and an extent, when they were in power, I had
less to do with them than now they're not.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
So what sets you apart?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Do you think is a labor counselor's what's the difference
in you and anyone else in the council.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
I think no, it's just about giving you a steer
on values, like a general positioning. And if you hate Labor,
this is a good thing about the party politics at
local government. You know, not to put a number one
or any number by my name because I hate those bastards.
Because no one knows anything about local government politicians. Right,
we're invisible and a lot of people, me included years ago.
We'll just read a blurb and that little book and
guy that guy sounds okay or she sounds fine, and
(17:44):
put a number. So I see it as a bit
of an extra signal of just like you know, I
hate it or love it. At least you've got an
idea of where this person sits.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Have they told you who they're going to? I mean
it's common knowledge. Mark will agree with me. It's common
knowledge that Labor are looking for a candidate for the
willing to mayoralty. Ye have they Have they talked to you?
They are they saying who do you think will be good?
Is anyone on the council that they've Is it getting
to that stage because it's it's quite common knowledge.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Is no, you're going to say this is a cop out.
But with selections, I've just kept my powder pretty dry.
I put my foreman saying, look, yeah, I'll have another
go at it for the ward if you select me.
But as far as what we do around the rest
of the city, they didn't quite answer my question.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Who would you pick as a la as a potential
labor candidate for me?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Here?
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Look, Justin would at least have the experience of having
been there. He would come in and Justin knew how
to work the bureaucracy, which has been a fatal floor
of this mayoralty, and Andy Foster's meyalty too, is not
being a bureaucracy.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Do you think that there's chance of persuading him. I
mean a lot of people saying he's definitely going to run,
but he's He's saying to my face, to my eyes,
straight into my eyes, saying he's not.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yeah. I mean I haven't talked to him for a
long you know, pre year, properly, so you probably had
a better read on him than me. But I think
he cares about the city and if he looks at
defamation suit candidate that I won't speak of in pole position.
Maybe that will.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Encourage he's in pole position.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
No, no, I'm saying, if you right, But you know Friday.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Face off with Mark Sainsbury and Ben McNaulty. The government
has announced changes to laws surrounding citizens arrest, but the
policy is really light on detail and opposed by Retail
New Zealand and the Police Association. Ben McNulty, what do
you make of this whole idea of citizens.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Arrest copstiff promise? So they've obviously just decided to deputize
the entire nation. It's a terrible idea. There's a good
rule of fun that if Brian Tarmackee agrees with something,
then you're probably good to be in the opposite of it.
He's about the only one I've seen excited because he
gets to unleash his man up thugs. But if you
take it seriously, this is the kind of thing where
someone could die, where someone using those citizens arrest powers
(19:44):
in a foolish way, untrained in the way that police are,
could kill someone. And you know the fact that police
in retail are saying no it should be fireworks like
this is dumb policy. This is the government scraping the
barrel for ideas.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Mark Sainsbury, I don't know how you're going to take
this one. I'm looking at you thinking, I wonder if
he's four or again.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Now look, I think I think the things are just
a load of obviously they are.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
They're nothing.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Frustrates you more than you see this idea. You see
from supermarket's people that's grabbed trolley and I just push
their way out.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
You can't touch me, just walk out with stuff. We
all get frustrated with that. But bring in the citizen.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
The citizens arrest is available. I think it'sween six nine
pm and six am.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
You know you can thousand dollars over.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
All that sort of thing. Then we don't see it happening.
We don't see people using that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well we we wouldn't know. I mean it probably does happen,
but we would.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
And if you're the poor sap who's running the dairy
down the road and people come in demanding cigarettes and cash,
what do you expected to do? Try and arrest them?
It just has window dressing written all over it. And
once again no detail in the policy. How is it
supposed to work? Any have the Police Association coming out
right at the go saying stupid idea. So I just
think this is this one's just crazy. It's someone in
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the back room saying, oh, we should do something on
citizens arrest and show we care about cry.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, and we've got we've got to see some of
that old sunny cursils one thousand dollars or nine hundred
and thirty dollars a day, don't we Yeah that's right.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Well I thought, yeah, he's and look you can understand
where he's coming from in there, and and there's that
whole sort of you know, just really an annoys you
in this That concept of people getting away with things,
that's what irks.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
A lot of us.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And so our natural response is, yeah, you should be
able to stop them. So is it a nonsense that
someone can walk out of a super barket with stuff
and go you can't touch me?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yes it is? Does this fix it?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Right, I just got a button here because a nice
text came through high Nick. Mark Sainsbury's totally wrong. We
don't need a business person, we need a leader with
vision and courage. Mark Sainsbury would be perfect.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Ben.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You're about to say something.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Thanks man, Thanks said all I needed to say it's
dumb policy.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You reckon. I mean, it's going to come in, but
we are going to see some problems with it, aren't we.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Someone will get seriously hurt.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well you had that case, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Where was it where someone was in a bar and
they tried to rest and the four people held them down,
And I think we're in ended up charged with manslaughter
but were acquitted, but the guys fixed. I mean, it's
it's just rife for problems.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And I think of that poor Indian guy that was
doing a relief manager's job for the dairy and the
guy he was so someone had robbed him and he
was so concerned about, you know, looking after the diary
that he ran after him and he got stabbed and killed.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
He chased after them with a hockey stick of the
guy stand.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, I know them, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That's that's citizens or stuff, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah? What about kids too? I imagine deary owners grabbing kidson,
trying to handcuff them or tie them an old pair
of stockings to the side of the road or something.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
You know, I'm just waiting until the government comes out.
Oh we're going to arm shop keepers next and you
know it could be become the fifty first state cannon's.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
We'll just give them cannons.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Take a short break and be back with Mark Sainsbury
and Ben McNaulty. I want to ask them about the
rum attuck of Range Road. I love this idea. I
love this idea. I suppose well, let's get into it.
Can I go to air break then we'll talk about it.
Toll tolls pay for it. Friday face off of Ben
McNaulty and Mark Sainsbury rymatucka Range Road Now, I love
this idea. We talked about it on the show. Mark.
(23:09):
I'll start with you because you'd love to take your
old bloody American taking that. Yeah. I was going to
say that would be into first gear at some stages,
wouldn't it. A group of well Wire Rapper residents are
calling for a new road through the rum attack of Rangers,
saying it would save lives, it would future proof the
road and the event of a large quake, and massively
boost economics of both Wellington and the wire Rapper. Hard
(23:30):
to disagree that if you can look, if you could
drop fifteen minutes between Upper Heart and Featherston and not
have to go all over the bloody hill. This makes
men safety thing.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Because every time it's an accident on that hill, the
road's closed. Everyone has to divert back through Parmesan North
to get to Winnington.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
All that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I mean, we should have taken up the Americans offer
during the Second World War to put a tunnel through.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
But anyway, you know, it could.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Have should have it too proactive.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Look, if they were looking at a toll road, which
which could there's definitely that which could not which could
sell fun. But I think in the reports that I'd
read this it was going to take on the basis
of tolls eighty years or something to recover the cheapest option. Look,
if they can find a way of doing it and
someone who is willing to step in and do it,
good luck to them. You still got the other road
for people who don't want to spend the four bucks
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or whatever it's going to cost them to get over there.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And you're right, it is.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
But from number of things, safety, convenience, and ease of
getting my huge American car over there without having.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
To have you taken it over there.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, they're quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And that's and that thing of yours.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to refeel when I get
the Featherston. Of course, what does it.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Cost to fill you there?
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Look, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I don't understand people. I can honestly say to you,
I have no idea what it does to the gallon.
It is a nineteen sixty three seven liter V eight,
so you can imagine how efficient it is.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
But find it over two hundred to fill it?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Oh, it would be yeah, year just to it.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But the old depends. It's the size of the tank.
You mean, you can have a tiny tank.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It doesn't make any different what I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
How but it's the petrol. But the thing is that car.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
They didn't dig up any rare earth elements to build
it or anything like that, you know. So I'm actually
an eco worrier by recycling cars.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
From the sixties.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
We're sounding like women my costing show now talking about
his flash cars, talking about your cars are and Ben
mcnolton are old. Ben mcnolty, tell me whether you like
the idea of you seen it? Have you thought about it?
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Well, I'm sympathetic to anything that gets me closer to poppies.
Vineyard and martin Borough and you know, anytime sooner. But
putting my Wellington head on, it's not the most pressing.
You know, the duplicate tunnel Granada to Patni, that's got
huge benefits for public transport as well as housing. Sure,
if there's another pot of money somewhere, but the Wellington's
Wellington has more pressing needs and those ones need to
(25:38):
be addressed first. So like, yeah, you can't disagree with it.
Anything would get better access as good, But does it
like my top ten for the region, probably not.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Not top ten.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I mean we already the crowd goes, we're already subsidizing.
It's Wellington City. We subsidize the rest of the region
in terms of Great Wellington with the train services, Wellington
City break payers pay for the rest of the region
to get into our city. We do a lot of
subsidization as Wellington City. Yeah, build it, but get those
other priorities done first.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I want to ask you Mark, because you would have
done a lot of interviews over your years, you know
more than anyone listening to the show. The Prime Minister
was criticized this week after an interview where he refused
to say whether he would sacked. He had would have
sacked Andrew Bailey if he had not resigned before eventually
eventually omitting, he would have I mean, we played three
(26:29):
minutes of a six minute interview? Is that right? We
played a minute and a half? Sorry I got I
got the amounts wrong.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
At the time, probably felt like three minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It was a minute and a half of a three
minute interview, and I was pulling my hair out thinking,
oh my god, I mean, what did you make of
those minutes? Did you see it?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Just an absolute unmitigated disaster. And the worst thing was
because you've got to say, I mean, we all know
where Mike's coming from. I mean he's in terms of
his sort of you know, his politics and stuff. Nothing
wrong with that, but so he's not a he's a
friendly voice, you know, he's not there necessary. He's a
good interviewer. Mike's a really good interviewer. And he just
(27:08):
tore him a new one. And he kept giving him
the opportunity, Oh no, you look.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
You need to.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Answer the question, and he just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
He got lot why, I mean, you have been the
political editor at Parliament, You've done all this stuff. Why
would he have not said I would have fired.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Him because it's just avoiding giving an answer. Look, whatever
you do, don't take a position on this, but someone
may criticize you. So the first thing you do, whenever
you answer the question, you do the stall line. Yes, well,
that's very interesting to look as you're trying to think
of what you're going to say. And when you looked
at it and heard that interview, you thought he started
off during a store. You know, I'm going trying to think, what,
(27:49):
oh yeah, okay, I got cauch my things very carefully.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Then he went to avoidance.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
So I didn't need to make a decision on that
because he'd already resigned. And it might, you know, just
patiently just keep bringing them.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Back to the well. And for some I just cannot
understand it.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Whether he has had bad training, I just don't know
what it is. But he got into this scene where
he got locked into I'm not going to answer this question,
and he just looked. He just looked a fall.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And he gets caught up.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
It's like getting creditable his business talk stuff, which does
not sit well with the New Zealand public.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
You know, he's a smart guy.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Christopher Luxe and he's not an idiot, but he's missing something.
And I'll be getting a bit nervous about this, I
would reckon.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I reckon they are too I swear they are mean.
No of your thoughts on it.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Oh well, look what i'd say to you, because if
you're asking me to give you an answer to that question,
you know, at the end of the day, it was
just rubbish, right, it was pure rubbish. And we went
back to what the four year term discussion before. He's
not going to be our prime minister in the year's
time of this polling continues and he has stunts like that,
there will be people in the nuts thinking, right now, jeez,
I could do a better job than that, and maybe
(28:53):
I could actually get us into a second term. So
absolutely embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
You reckon that they are even thinking that now.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Absolutely Nah, You've just turfed out a labor government that
had a historic majority. You've turfed them out after one term,
and one year later you're underwater in the polling one
year later. That is a bad optics. And you know
politics is full of egos, right, there are always someone
thinks they can do it better and smarter and faster,
(29:20):
And I reckon this one year from now. This kind
of performance in that polling continues. Else who they got?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Who they got? What will they do? They come on,
there's no no one that's naturally there waiting in the background.
Is it?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Well?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
See this is this?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
You know?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Simon might be a step to you haven't said any
Chris Chris Ship They'll be looking at and Nicola they'll
be because that will all be thinking is hang on
a minute, are we going to get It's a simple calculation,
and that's all the back benches to be doing as well.
Am I going to keep my seat and get back
in the power with this guy still fronting it? Or
am I going to be better off.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Wonder someone else?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It all comes as the election starts looming closer. They
all start looking at their own majorities and thinking, we're
not doing too well here and I'm not going to
get dried.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Nothing like the threat of an election to promote democracy.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I think you both had too many coffees.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
On your way, got an orange juice here.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I think that. I think that, yeah, he had a
bad day, but he's he's what put them there. If
they didn't have him, they wouldn't be empowered.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I think whoever was leading national last election, they're going
to be in powered.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
It was Labor lost.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
That mean we go back to they had the and
I keep saying this over and over again, the unthinkable scenario.
We had an absolute majority under MMP. No one ever
thought it was even going to be mathematically possible. But
then they just passed everyone off.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
But you're forgetting changed their leaders more than they changed
their underwear.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Before, and everyone at the end of it just got
so sick of Labor did not deserve to get back in.
So you know, governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them,
and it's the same thing they'll be looking at that
same calculation.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Is this government going to lose an election?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You obviously read the same book as Mike duse To reads,
because he says that to.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Me every wise man.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
He says that every single day governments don't they lose.
Governments lose elections and oppositions don't win them.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
I mean, well, I mean look at the look over
the Tasman where you know, like one after one term,
the Labor government there looks on incredibly shaky ground again and.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Peter Dutton, who no one thought would ever be Prime minister.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
There's something about it. Did you watch the interview on him?
I have you've seen that interview? Go on YouTube the interview
on it. It's actually a very good interview. I can't.
I mean, I really do not like him. I watched
the interview and I actually melted a little bit.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
The Friday.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Friday face off of Mark Stainsbury and Ben McNulty. Ben,
you go first, give us your hots and knots of
the week.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
The hot is just Wellington at this time of year.
This is like the vibe. It's a mat killer. I
was down at Oriental Bay for a swim yesterday. I
had a gelado like this is this was our climate
year round, would be paradise. So Newtown Festival on the weekend.
It is just this is Wellington at its best.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You know what, someone I'm trying to think who it was.
I think it was fran Wilde or one of those
Wellington famous politicians said to me Nick, if Wellington had
good weather, none of us would be able to afford
to live here.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Probably true, you're hots.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
And not I'd agree with that. Listen, Hot, it's got
to be apple. Apple is the half whippet. I was
volunteering at the SBCA over Christmas and took this dog home,
you know, just to give it a bit of foster care.
And of course you know what it's like. It never
goes back. So despite it eating the prime rib roast,
the Clevel ultra uber expensive Christmas cake from the Clevel Bakery,
(32:47):
peeing on our bed rippinghues and just about destroying the place,
it's an unmitigated success. It is so good and it's
such a good thing to do to give what sort
of dog It's a part whipp it And Mike got another.
How's a part whipp it greyhound?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Look like a small greyhound.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
And the other thing is my other dog's quite reactive
and it's just calmed Penny down. It's just been absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
What's like a small greyhound? I never even heard of them?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, whip they were They used them in the UK
bease greyhounds were too big a sort of people. Not
my nighttheart has got to be you know, the the
well the Wellington Council inspectors and the.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
More and more the Students Association.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Getting into this bar owner for putting out flyers attracting
students on oh Week to come and have a drink.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Excuse an absolute goal.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
This is business we're trying to be trying to I've
got a nephew here from the States. He's enrolled in
Old Osborne and rolled in you know, and this is
the big They love it.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
I can remember o week when I was a student.
This is what they do.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I can't have heard anything more ridiculous than they have
a crack at a bar owner.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
For trying to promote opens to come along.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Get real, got to.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Go Mark Sainsbury and being McNulty, Thank you very much.
Can you send us a photo of your dog please?
I like to put it on our phone. I've got
a photo both of them, so give me a photo
of it. I'll put it on our Facebook so we
can know what a whipp it is that I didn't
ever close.
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Joining. I could Friday based off this week is broadcaster?
Mark Sainsbury? Are you still called a broadcasting Look?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I'm still I'm here broadcasting with you Nick, of course
that yeah, I look I like to be doing more broadcasting.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I want to do a cash show. Anyone listening with
deep pockets?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
But yeah, I want to do a cash show. Maybe
me and you can do it.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, looking for different things to do.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Nick, Mark Sainsbury and Wellington City councilor been McNulty morning.
Have you changed your mind about running for me?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
No, not at all. I couldn't think of a worst job.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well what about you, Mark? I mean your name keeps Yeah,
well bendi about it?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
How many calls I got yesterday saying as listening to
z B we heard the promos for the face off.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
You don't understand.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Look, I tell you if I thought I could help Wellington,
if I genuinely thought that I would do it in
a nanosecond.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, why you would help you. You can't make that
cold on, hold on, you cannot make that comment without
taking it one step further because you could help well.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But but I think what we have seen, and this
has been behind all my reasoning and stuff all the
way through and people because people it's come and said,
why don't you throw your hat in the ring, and
I go, no, no, no, This has gone on and on,
but we've seen what happens when someone So I've got
lots of experience in broadcasting and lots of experience in
dealing with people and that sort of thing. I've never
run a business, I've never run a large organization, and
(01:53):
we're seeing what's happened when someone comes into that job
without that experience. So my thing was, as much as
I love the idea of it, and I probably would
love to do it, you've got to be honest with
yourself about what your skill based. And I think you
could be doing a disservice to Wellington by taking on
something that you're not necessary fully equipped for. That's that's
(02:14):
that's that's where so you're completely ruled out.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So yeah, look that's.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Giving your luck and answer here.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
That's already been said the other thing you've got. The
other thing You've got to remember. I'm looking at both
you here. You know you're right, you're right with everything
you said. But who is out there that's run a
billion dollar company? Well, because that's the size of the council.
So you're going to try. You're never going to find
a mayor that's going to have said, oh, you know what,
(02:42):
Bob Jones is going to apply for the job now.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
But look, you're you're you're You're a businessman. You run
businesses and things. Neck you can look at balance sheets
and different things and you know you can make it.
You know you're not a forensic accountant, but you are.
You are favored the basics and a lot of that stuff.
That's a that's a really valuable experience to have. And
what I'm saying is that Suden is something that's sort
of lacking in my CV.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
So that's it's okay, Bean's not quite so forceful.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
No.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Look, I have my family. I like putting my son
to bed at eight o'clock every night. I like reading
a story, and I'm not going to give that up
for you know, the worst job in politics.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
You don't love your city.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
I love my city. I love my family more. Yeah,
I love I love my sanity. I think that. You know,
I went through the airport last year and that was
the most miserable political experience. When you're so called frenzy,
you know, doing everything to stab you in the back,
that kind of dynamic. It was miserable. My family felt
that when I took at home. I don't want them
to remember their dad being a cranky old.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Obvious, what are you staying? Nicky?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So I've got a tax builder sort out first before
before I stand up, let alone stand for easy.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Else you get one sixty a year in a car
that you can sell or not sell.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Law.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
You know, I have genuine.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I'd have genuine reason for selling my car, wouldn't I.
I would definitely be able to say, hey, I'm selling
my car.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
In a city like Wellington, this is fantastic. People should
be falling over themselves to be the mayor of the city.
They should be falling over them s.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
You're just so right, and that silence is deafening. That's
coming through. But the interesting thing is, I'm kind of
you have to have someone of experience from the meryal table,
from the council table to do the job well. But
then I think, well, Andy Foster was there for twenty
six years, and I don't think he did particularly well either.
So I see my preconceptions about what makes you qualified
out the window, and.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I hear that loud and clear, And that's one of
the reasons why I haven't thought about it seriously as
that whole you've got to be on the council and
you've got to do this, you've got to do that.
But I say that's all bordered ash. If you're actually
want if you're a natural born leader and you actually
want to go in there with the passion and the
brain to sort out. You've got a new CEO, so
you've not got any of the old crap that you
had before you got a new CEO. You'll potentially have
(04:53):
potentially have a new council around you, or a few
members a new council around you. If you're a leader,
that's that's give me the money, show me it, let
me go, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah? I guess so, I guess so.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
But it's just it just doesn't see mod that. I mean,
I thought people would be scraping over this.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I reckon they're just waiting for the lost, and they're
sort of saying, who's going to put their toe in
the water, and we have a bit of a scramble.
But it is pretty sad that we're as far out
and that the contest is still pretty dire and really dire.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I mean, if you look at some of the caliber
of the people that put their names in, I mean,
come on, you know, if we thought we're in trouble,
but now yeah, I mean potentially we're in you know, we're.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I don't want to I don't want to threatened defamation suit,
so I can't talk about one in particular, but you know, jeez, I.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Mean it's not I mean, you know, yeah, right, well
let's move on from that. We didn't find a mere
candidate out of that period. It didn't get anything that
was going to lead this You try it. Yeah, we're
we've got we've got nothing that's going to leave the
six o'clock news tonight coming out of one into the boardings,
out of that lot one. Intern city councils have voted
to investigate bringing car parks back into Gilmore Street next
(05:58):
to the Botanical Gardens, despite Glenmore Street, Did I say,
what do I say? Gilmore glen Street, Glenmore Street next
to the gardens. You know, I got the stereo. I've
got that. Three types, three people all said the same
thing at the same time. Glenbow Street next to the gardens,
despite removing four hundred and fifty of them last year.
I've got to start with you on this one, Ben.
(06:19):
Is the council. I mean, I'm going to make this
really simple. Is it because it's election yet that the
council is starting to listen to the people?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
No? And the chair of a committee, councilor Free has
been trying to bring forward this review for about six
months now. The minute those changes went in, the feedback
was overwhelming, and we hear a lot of the cycle
away goes in, it will be the end of the world.
It goes in, and actually it beds in pretty well
and the city moves on. That has not been the
case in Glenmore Street. So for months, behind the scenes, quietly,
(06:48):
there's been work to try and have this discussion about
is this working. What you saw yesterday was a little
bit more of a blunt force approach of we're not
being able to get progress doing this through the back channels,
and you saw something a lot louder saying, Hey, we
need to have a discussion about this because we're hearing
loud and clear from the community. This is causing really
genuine acts.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You're hearing loud and clear from the community about all
cycle ways. You're hearing loud and clear from the community
that they don't want caught the Golden Mile to start
until the next councilor, and you're hearing all that stuff
loud and clear, and you're not doing anything about that.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
You hear a lot from the community and support. And
that's the thing that I know.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That you're getting a lot of support on the Golden Mill.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
You do like the night before this was about a
year ago, we had one of the major votes on
the Golden Mile. There's about four hundred, five hundred emails
with flooded councilors and boxes and support. There is a
segment of the city. I know it's not the loudest segment,
but there are people really passionate about the transport changes,
about the urbanization changes, things like the Golden Mile. They're
not the ones that the loud voices in the media,
but to to scout them as a sizable portion of
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the city and look at our MP's look at where
the election went. There is a lot of people in
Wellington that support and see that vision through. I just
don't think they're as loud so on a lot of
these debates. There are two loud camps on Glenmore Street.
It has been unlike any other transport change we've made
in the city in terms of the consistency and the
volume of feedback.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Mark I suggested that there have been five flip flops
in the last year. Yeah, you know, do you want
me to repeat them all year? I mean reading, reading, theater,
Kendala Pool, the airport. Well, come on, help me out.
There was five. There was five. It was there, house
house and I'm missing one. If my producer was listening,
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he helped me out there. Where is it?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
How hard to get a good producer?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I got four out of the five. Ye I said,
they flip flopped on anyway, So there's been a lot
of flip flopping and it feels to me and I
want to get your opinion, because you move with and
shape with some shakers in the city that the shout
louder you shout, the more things get listened to.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
That's just not always the way. The squeaky wheel. And look,
I was thinking about the thing like that.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
You're that committee yesterday and you looked at that the
problems in Glenmore Street. How come that can't be identified
seems to be such a catastrophic one, isn't it wasn't working?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I mean, how many people actually use it?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yeah, well that was part of the reason you saw
that though, and it was pretty comprehensive six to yesterday.
We don't know how many people use it. The city
had rolled out a cycle away counter network. It stopped
reporting in June last year. So I have conversations at
the pub. I talk about, you know, some of the
benefits around you getting people safe, but how many people
use it? I can't answer that question, And as a counselor,
that's an unconscionable position to be in, which is why
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I'm more than happy to have a debate on it
and bring forward a report because we need to.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Know why did they stop reporting on it? I mean
I would have thought you put in cycle ways. You know,
the data is showing how many people.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Used It's a shockingly common sense question. But they're moving
to a new, better system. But they found a bunch
of data validation issues with the old system, and it
doesn't really square with me because if you have an
old system and it's value, you keep that going. Will
you build a new system and you move over it
a day. They just cut off at June last year,
so between July to February, we don't know in any
part of the city, as councilors how cycle lanes are performing.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Me and Mark are just shaking your head. We're just
shaking our head.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
You get the warrant for why the committee said quite overwhelmingly,
we've got to have a discussion on us. We need
a report, We need the figures because you can't go
and defend or oppose these these types of projects if
you don't have the figures. And anecdotal reckons are one thing,
but counselors probably should make information on informed basis, and
we can't.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Do you think that the fact that they are making
a change or investigating making changes that they might look
at I'm not looking at Ben, I'm looking at you. Yeah,
might look at other changes and say, hey, this election year,
maybe if we do stop this, or we change this,
or we got rid of that cycle way, we might
be a little bit more palatable to vote for.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, I think that's the I mean, if you're already
starting to walk back different things and these things that
would be you know, it was never going to change.
You know, this is going in. We're defending this. They
helped them all of a sudden. No, that's not quite working.
So yeah, and should why should we be surprised at
sort of local democracy?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Why should we?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You were saying that, Oh, so they're listening to the people,
now are they? As the fact is something to shock.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
What a shocking state of affairs that is?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So I think some of these things that have backfired
and we're seeing decisions reversed and the sky hasn't actually
fallen in because of that, just getting sensible, I think
you may be going to see a bit more pregmatism
before the next election.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Did you speak to mea torri Fano after the vote
or anything? Do you really like you? Did you get
her understanding a way? She voted that way and her
next door to her, the other greenie what's his names,
Johnny Rodgers voted with her little lapdog. That's not a
lap dog, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
They made their case in debate there know they've been
a bit. I used to war it hysteric and I
got told off it. I shouldn't say hysteric for the reaction,
so a bit hyperbolic. I think about what this changes.
This is a report telling us is this working? What
options can we have? That's it, And they sort of
did paint that the sky's falling in that this was
entirely attack and it's like, just it's okay to get
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information for just difficult discussions at the council. We shy
away from that all the time. Townhall budget blows out
three hundred and twenty million. Oh no, no, I don't get
an independent review rates. Can we get a ten percent
increase option instead of larger? No, no, we won't get there.
Like this council has attle wider cultural issue.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
You're part of this council, you remember, I just go,
I'm going to take a break. But you you're talking
like you're you're.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
A one vote on eighteen and a committee.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
You know, Okay, all right, let's take a break. I'm
not picking on you, by the way, but I don't
want you. I don't want you getting an email from
you saying I'm no longer going to appear on Fridays
Friday face off in the studio with us Today is
legend broadcast Mark Sainsbury Legend Guy Mark Sainsbury will into
City Council being McNaughty councilor beat Ben McNulty who doesn't
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want to run for me? Not not yet correct?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
That has hold five minutes thirty six.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Oh you're quite young, young enough to life's ahead of them,
now ahead of them, let's go. Governments introduced legislation that
will allow four year parliamentary to mark. This is your yeah,
your this is your story, right.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I mean I have argued for this for years now.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You want it, yeah, because I think the teams are
too short, fives too long, you know, because you could
be dying.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
You want to be able to get rid of someone.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Three.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
The problem is you get into this. I don't know
how the Americans do it. Were their two year.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Term for the Congress, but three years you get them.
You're finding your feet, you're starting to get your sort
of things going, and then you just got to start
campaigning for the next election. Effectively, you know, you never
have enough time to sort of follow through and put
things through. So I think a four year term makes
a lot of difference, saves us a bit of dough.
We can sort of we get funny about elections. You know,
as much as we sort of really value them, we
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almost sort of hate them. We resent the sort of
the you know, people's mona, it's not that election time again,
you know, but you know, what are you going to have?
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Trump?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I love I love elections. I love the we're weird?
Speaker 4 (13:45):
What's not weird?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I think there were two types people like you and I,
and you'd be the same now that that you know,
we love that sort of thing and love the election
time and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Other people see. There are people who just don't listen.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
There are people who would not listen to a campaign speech,
won't follow the news, won't read the papers.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Do they vote not a local body?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean, what do you say to me? And Ben? Though?
Because if it goes to general election, will go to
local elections too, won't it?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
You would.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You would think, So that's not quite as good year. Maybe,
So what would you say now if you had another
eighteen months ago with this council?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, but it's been interesting to see how much of
a difference to be an attitude. I certainly think for
the for for national elections. A four year term makes
makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Can I tell you that a Bill who used to
be an old time journalist. Yeah, he ran the show
and said, why don't they do it four years for
the first term and then three after that?
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Once it's not what if you get a change of
government then two then.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Well that's the idea of having the four years. So
when you change the government, you've got an extra year
to get yourself.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
There's another thing I'm talking about, and it's all going
to elect No, no, not, Look, don't complicate it. You know,
it's a four year term. And look if you you
look at Labor when they got in with an absolute majority,
which a thought could never happen again. You know, it
doesn't matter if you get in. You knows, as old
Cullen famously said, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
We won new loss that of you know, eat it politely.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, look, I think I think that four years just
makes more sense in terms of this get into this,
that this turning over all the time, where people are
campaigning all the time and we're not getting any sort
of all complain about lack of any policy, not that
most people like to actually read policy, but I want
to hear from politicians about ideas and things they're going
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to do and plans, and you need the time to
put them into place.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Okay, I'm with mcnuldy, tell me what you think.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
So of course I have a vested interest in a
longer term, but not keep it at three. And that
is because we should be able to turf the bastards out.
It's that simple. You look at this government, who are
a year in. They're behind because people didn't vote for
this government. They voted against the last government and they've
actually gone what you're giving us a hot cup. It's
sick and people need that lever to be able to
turf the bastards out. And I extend that to local governments.
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So you know, even with my vested interests, would be
nice to not have to do a campaign this year,
spend the money, door knock all of that would be
much easier. But I think that democratic lever is so important.
And we live in times when governments are unpopular everywhere,
but the governance system's failing across the world. Things are
flip flopping, and you've got to be responsive to let
the population have that it's controlled.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You saying things are flip flopping your gat Yeah, flip
popper gas. But I mean I want to know whether
you'd say that if there was a labor government and
right now.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Yeah, I've been pretty Look, there's a discussion within the
Labor Party about you know, should you because you know
I'm a Labor councilor for those listening, whether there should
be four years, But it's even something I've opposed. When
that's coming through the party as a policy, I just
think three.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I mean I must ask that question because you put
it out there. Do you have much to do with labor?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Honestly?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Pretty bugger all? Like you know, I might occasionally Kawaisher
or Karen because he's got the local government portfolio, talk
about we're having an issue, we're doing heritage reform with
the government at the.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Do they bring you up and say what are you
voting on this? We want you to vote on that.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
God though, like they've got problems to deal with in parliament,
like they you know, And this is the funny thing
and an extent, when they were in power, I had
less to do with them than now they're not.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
So what sets you apart?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Do you think is a labor counselor's what's the difference
in you and anyone else in the council.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
I think no, it's just about giving you a steer
on values, like a general positioning. And if you hate Labor,
this is a good thing about the party politics at
local government. You know, not to put a number one
or any number by my name because I hate those bastards.
Because no one knows anything about local government politicians. Right,
we're invisible and a lot of people, me included years ago.
We'll just read a blurb and that little book and
guy that guy sounds okay or she sounds fine, and
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put a number. So I see it as a bit
of an extra signal of just like you know, I
hate it or love it. At least you've got an
idea of where this person sits.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Have they told you who they're going to? I mean
it's common knowledge. Mark will agree with me. It's common
knowledge that Labor are looking for a candidate for the
willing to mayoralty. Ye have they Have they talked to you?
They are they saying who do you think will be good?
Is anyone on the council that they've Is it getting
to that stage because it's it's quite common knowledge.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Is no, you're going to say this is a cop out.
But with selections, I've just kept my powder pretty dry.
I put my foreman saying, look, yeah, I'll have another
go at it for the ward if you select me.
But as far as what we do around the rest
of the city, they didn't quite answer my question.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Who would you pick as a la as a potential
labor candidate for me?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Here?
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Look, Justin would at least have the experience of having
been there. He would come in and Justin knew how
to work the bureaucracy, which has been a fatal floor
of this mayoralty, and Andy Foster's meyalty too, is not
being a bureaucracy.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Do you think that there's chance of persuading him. I
mean a lot of people saying he's definitely going to run,
but he's He's saying to my face, to my eyes,
straight into my eyes, saying he's not.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Yeah. I mean I haven't talked to him for a
long you know, pre year, properly, so you probably had
a better read on him than me. But I think
he cares about the city and if he looks at
defamation suit candidate that I won't speak of in pole position.
Maybe that will.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Encourage he's in pole position.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
No, no, I'm saying, if you right, But you know Friday.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Face off with Mark Sainsbury and Ben McNaulty. The government
has announced changes to laws surrounding citizens arrest, but the
policy is really light on detail and opposed by Retail
New Zealand and the Police Association. Ben McNulty, what do
you make of this whole idea of citizens.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Arrest copstiff promise? So they've obviously just decided to deputize
the entire nation. It's a terrible idea. There's a good
rule of fun that if Brian Tarmackee agrees with something,
then you're probably good to be in the opposite of it.
He's about the only one I've seen excited because he
gets to unleash his man up thugs. But if you
take it seriously, this is the kind of thing where
someone could die, where someone using those citizens arrest powers
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in a foolish way, untrained in the way that police are,
could kill someone. And you know the fact that police
in retail are saying no it should be fireworks like
this is dumb policy. This is the government scraping the
barrel for ideas.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Mark Sainsbury, I don't know how you're going to take
this one. I'm looking at you thinking, I wonder if
he's four or again.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Now look, I think I think the things are just
a load of obviously they are.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
They're nothing.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Frustrates you more than you see this idea. You see
from supermarket's people that's grabbed trolley and I just push
their way out.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
You can't touch me, just walk out with stuff. We
all get frustrated with that. But bring in the citizen.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
The citizens arrest is available. I think it'sween six nine
pm and six am.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
You know you can thousand dollars over.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
All that sort of thing. Then we don't see it happening.
We don't see people using that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well we we wouldn't know. I mean it probably does happen,
but we would.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
And if you're the poor sap who's running the dairy
down the road and people come in demanding cigarettes and cash,
what do you expected to do? Try and arrest them?
It just has window dressing written all over it. And
once again no detail in the policy. How is it
supposed to work? Any have the Police Association coming out
right at the go saying stupid idea. So I just
think this is this one's just crazy. It's someone in
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the back room saying, oh, we should do something on
citizens arrest and show we care about cry.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, and we've got we've got to see some of
that old sunny cursils one thousand dollars or nine hundred
and thirty dollars a day, don't we Yeah that's right.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Well I thought, yeah, he's and look you can understand
where he's coming from in there, and and there's that
whole sort of you know, just really an annoys you
in this That concept of people getting away with things,
that's what irks.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
A lot of us.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And so our natural response is, yeah, you should be
able to stop them. So is it a nonsense that
someone can walk out of a super barket with stuff
and go you can't touch me?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yes it is? Does this fix it?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (21:30):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Right, I just got a button here because a nice
text came through high Nick. Mark Sainsbury's totally wrong. We
don't need a business person, we need a leader with
vision and courage. Mark Sainsbury would be perfect.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Ben.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You're about to say something.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Thanks man, Thanks said all I needed to say it's
dumb policy.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You reckon. I mean, it's going to come in, but
we are going to see some problems with it, aren't we.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Someone will get seriously hurt.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well you had that case, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Where was it where someone was in a bar and
they tried to rest and the four people held them down,
And I think we're in ended up charged with manslaughter
but were acquitted, but the guys fixed. I mean, it's
it's just rife for problems.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And I think of that poor Indian guy that was
doing a relief manager's job for the dairy and the
guy he was so someone had robbed him and he
was so concerned about, you know, looking after the diary
that he ran after him and he got stabbed and killed.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
He chased after them with a hockey stick of the
guy stand.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, I know them, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That's that's citizens or stuff, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah? What about kids too? I imagine deary owners grabbing kidson,
trying to handcuff them or tie them an old pair
of stockings to the side of the road or something.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
You know, I'm just waiting until the government comes out.
Oh we're going to arm shop keepers next and you
know it could be become the fifty first state cannon's.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
We'll just give them cannons.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Take a short break and be back with Mark Sainsbury
and Ben McNaulty. I want to ask them about the
rum attuck of Range Road. I love this idea. I
love this idea. I suppose well, let's get into it.
Can I go to air break then we'll talk about it.
Toll tolls pay for it. Friday face off of Ben
McNaulty and Mark Sainsbury rymatucka Range Road Now, I love
this idea. We talked about it on the show. Mark.
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I'll start with you because you'd love to take your
old bloody American taking that. Yeah. I was going to
say that would be into first gear at some stages,
wouldn't it. A group of well Wire Rapper residents are
calling for a new road through the rum attack of Rangers,
saying it would save lives, it would future proof the
road and the event of a large quake, and massively
boost economics of both Wellington and the wire Rapper. Hard
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to disagree that if you can look, if you could
drop fifteen minutes between Upper Heart and Featherston and not
have to go all over the bloody hill. This makes
men safety thing.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Because every time it's an accident on that hill, the
road's closed. Everyone has to divert back through Parmesan North
to get to Winnington.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
All that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I mean, we should have taken up the Americans offer
during the Second World War to put a tunnel through.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
But anyway, you know, it could.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Have should have it too proactive.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Look, if they were looking at a toll road, which
which could there's definitely that which could not which could
sell fun. But I think in the reports that I'd
read this it was going to take on the basis
of tolls eighty years or something to recover the cheapest option. Look,
if they can find a way of doing it and
someone who is willing to step in and do it,
good luck to them. You still got the other road
for people who don't want to spend the four bucks
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or whatever it's going to cost them to get over there.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And you're right, it is.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
But from number of things, safety, convenience, and ease of
getting my huge American car over there without having.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
To have you taken it over there.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, they're quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And that's and that thing of yours.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to refeel when I get
the Featherston. Of course, what does it.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Cost to fill you there?
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Look, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I don't understand people. I can honestly say to you,
I have no idea what it does to the gallon.
It is a nineteen sixty three seven liter V eight,
so you can imagine how efficient it is.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
But find it over two hundred to fill it?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Oh, it would be yeah, year just to it.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But the old depends. It's the size of the tank.
You mean, you can have a tiny tank.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It doesn't make any different what I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
How but it's the petrol. But the thing is that car.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
They didn't dig up any rare earth elements to build
it or anything like that, you know. So I'm actually
an eco worrier by recycling cars.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
From the sixties.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
We're sounding like women my costing show now talking about
his flash cars, talking about your cars are and Ben
mcnolton are old. Ben mcnolty, tell me whether you like
the idea of you seen it? Have you thought about it?
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Well, I'm sympathetic to anything that gets me closer to poppies.
Vineyard and martin Borough and you know, anytime sooner. But
putting my Wellington head on, it's not the most pressing.
You know, the duplicate tunnel Granada to Patni, that's got
huge benefits for public transport as well as housing. Sure,
if there's another pot of money somewhere, but the Wellington's
Wellington has more pressing needs and those ones need to
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be addressed first. So like, yeah, you can't disagree with it.
Anything would get better access as good, But does it
like my top ten for the region, probably not.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Not top ten.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I mean we already the crowd goes, we're already subsidizing.
It's Wellington City. We subsidize the rest of the region
in terms of Great Wellington with the train services, Wellington
City break payers pay for the rest of the region
to get into our city. We do a lot of
subsidization as Wellington City. Yeah, build it, but get those
other priorities done first.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I want to ask you Mark, because you would have
done a lot of interviews over your years, you know
more than anyone listening to the show. The Prime Minister
was criticized this week after an interview where he refused
to say whether he would sacked. He had would have
sacked Andrew Bailey if he had not resigned before eventually
eventually omitting, he would have I mean, we played three
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minutes of a six minute interview? Is that right? We
played a minute and a half? Sorry I got I
got the amounts wrong.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
At the time, probably felt like three minutes.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It was a minute and a half of a three
minute interview, and I was pulling my hair out thinking,
oh my god, I mean, what did you make of
those minutes? Did you see it?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Just an absolute unmitigated disaster. And the worst thing was
because you've got to say, I mean, we all know
where Mike's coming from. I mean he's in terms of
his sort of you know, his politics and stuff. Nothing
wrong with that, but so he's not a he's a
friendly voice, you know, he's not there necessary. He's a
good interviewer. Mike's a really good interviewer. And he just
(27:08):
tore him a new one. And he kept giving him
the opportunity, Oh no, you look.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
You need to.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Answer the question, and he just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
He got lot why, I mean, you have been the
political editor at Parliament, You've done all this stuff. Why
would he have not said I would have fired.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Him because it's just avoiding giving an answer. Look, whatever
you do, don't take a position on this, but someone
may criticize you. So the first thing you do, whenever
you answer the question, you do the stall line. Yes, well,
that's very interesting to look as you're trying to think
of what you're going to say. And when you looked
at it and heard that interview, you thought he started
off during a store. You know, I'm going trying to think, what,
(27:49):
oh yeah, okay, I got cauch my things very carefully.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Then he went to avoidance.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
So I didn't need to make a decision on that
because he'd already resigned. And it might, you know, just
patiently just keep bringing them.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Back to the well. And for some I just cannot
understand it.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Whether he has had bad training, I just don't know
what it is. But he got into this scene where
he got locked into I'm not going to answer this question,
and he just looked. He just looked a fall.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And he gets caught up.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
It's like getting creditable his business talk stuff, which does
not sit well with the New Zealand public.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
You know, he's a smart guy.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Christopher Luxe and he's not an idiot, but he's missing something.
And I'll be getting a bit nervous about this, I
would reckon.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I reckon they are too I swear they are mean.
No of your thoughts on it.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Oh well, look what i'd say to you, because if
you're asking me to give you an answer to that question,
you know, at the end of the day, it was
just rubbish, right, it was pure rubbish. And we went
back to what the four year term discussion before. He's
not going to be our prime minister in the year's
time of this polling continues and he has stunts like that,
there will be people in the nuts thinking, right now, jeez,
I could do a better job than that, and maybe
(28:53):
I could actually get us into a second term. So
absolutely embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
You reckon that they are even thinking that now.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Absolutely Nah, You've just turfed out a labor government that
had a historic majority. You've turfed them out after one term,
and one year later you're underwater in the polling one
year later. That is a bad optics. And you know
politics is full of egos, right, there are always someone
thinks they can do it better and smarter and faster,
(29:20):
And I reckon this one year from now. This kind
of performance in that polling continues. Else who they got?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Who they got? What will they do? They come on,
there's no no one that's naturally there waiting in the background.
Is it?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Well?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
See this is this?
Speaker 5 (29:38):
You know?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Simon might be a step to you haven't said any
Chris Chris Ship They'll be looking at and Nicola they'll
be because that will all be thinking is hang on
a minute, are we going to get It's a simple calculation,
and that's all the back benches to be doing as well.
Am I going to keep my seat and get back
in the power with this guy still fronting it? Or
am I going to be better off.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Wonder someone else?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It all comes as the election starts looming closer. They
all start looking at their own majorities and thinking, we're
not doing too well here and I'm not going to
get dried.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Nothing like the threat of an election to promote democracy.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I think you both had too many coffees.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
On your way, got an orange juice here.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I think that. I think that, yeah, he had a
bad day, but he's he's what put them there. If
they didn't have him, they wouldn't be empowered.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I think whoever was leading national last election, they're going
to be in powered.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
It was Labor lost.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
That mean we go back to they had the and
I keep saying this over and over again, the unthinkable scenario.
We had an absolute majority under MMP. No one ever
thought it was even going to be mathematically possible. But
then they just passed everyone off.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
But you're forgetting changed their leaders more than they changed
their underwear.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Before, and everyone at the end of it just got
so sick of Labor did not deserve to get back in.
So you know, governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them,
and it's the same thing they'll be looking at that
same calculation.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Is this government going to lose an election?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You obviously read the same book as Mike duse To reads,
because he says that to.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Me every wise man.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
He says that every single day governments don't they lose.
Governments lose elections and oppositions don't win them.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
I mean, well, I mean look at the look over
the Tasman where you know, like one after one term,
the Labor government there looks on incredibly shaky ground again and.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Peter Dutton, who no one thought would ever be Prime minister.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
There's something about it. Did you watch the interview on him?
I have you've seen that interview? Go on YouTube the interview
on it. It's actually a very good interview. I can't.
I mean, I really do not like him. I watched
the interview and I actually melted a little bit.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
The Friday.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Friday face off of Mark Stainsbury and Ben McNulty. Ben,
you go first, give us your hots and knots of
the week.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
The hot is just Wellington at this time of year.
This is like the vibe. It's a mat killer. I
was down at Oriental Bay for a swim yesterday. I
had a gelado like this is this was our climate
year round, would be paradise. So Newtown Festival on the weekend.
It is just this is Wellington at its best.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You know what, someone I'm trying to think who it was.
I think it was fran Wilde or one of those
Wellington famous politicians said to me Nick, if Wellington had
good weather, none of us would be able to afford
to live here.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Probably true, you're hots.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
And not I'd agree with that. Listen, Hot, it's got
to be apple. Apple is the half whippet. I was
volunteering at the SBCA over Christmas and took this dog home,
you know, just to give it a bit of foster care.
And of course you know what it's like. It never
goes back. So despite it eating the prime rib roast,
the Clevel ultra uber expensive Christmas cake from the Clevel Bakery,
(32:47):
peeing on our bed rippinghues and just about destroying the place,
it's an unmitigated success. It is so good and it's
such a good thing to do to give what sort
of dog It's a part whipp it And Mike got another.
How's a part whipp it greyhound?
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Look like a small greyhound.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
And the other thing is my other dog's quite reactive
and it's just calmed Penny down. It's just been absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
What's like a small greyhound? I never even heard of them?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, whip they were They used them in the UK
bease greyhounds were too big a sort of people. Not
my nighttheart has got to be you know, the the
well the Wellington Council inspectors and the.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
More and more the Students Association.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Getting into this bar owner for putting out flyers attracting
students on oh Week to come and have a drink.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Excuse an absolute goal.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
This is business we're trying to be trying to I've
got a nephew here from the States. He's enrolled in
Old Osborne and rolled in you know, and this is
the big They love it.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
I can remember o week when I was a student.
This is what they do.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I can't have heard anything more ridiculous than they have
a crack at a bar owner.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
For trying to promote opens to come along.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Get real, got to.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Go Mark Sainsbury and being McNulty, Thank you very much.
Can you send us a photo of your dog please?
I like to put it on our phone. I've got
a photo both of them, so give me a photo
of it. I'll put it on our Facebook so we
can know what a whipp it is that I didn't
ever close.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
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