February 13, 2025 • 33 mins
David Seymour has been under fire this week after it was revealed he wrote a letter supporting Philip Polkinghorne before he was charged with murder, and before Seymour was a Minister.
The controversy continued on Monday as Seymour attempted to drive a Land Rover up Parliament's steps, before being yelled at by a Parliamentary security guard. Was Seymour out of line, or was this a stunt for a good cause?
Also, after the story of a dad teaching his teenaged kids to hitchhike, would you ever pick up a hitchhiker?
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Stars and joining us the Friday face off this week
is Upper Hut Mayor Wayne Guppy Wayne, Good morning, Good
morning Neck, And you get a little bit closer to
that microphone, but you can move it. You can call it.
It's water, you can move. Good morning, Neck, Good morning.
Great to see you. How you're doing great.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well on a great daylight Listen Welling. You've got to
be good, don't you.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well. I was out at Lowahart yesterday dropping a toaster
off our guy that fixes our toasters for our cafes
and operates out of La Hut, and I was sitting
outside waiting for him to have a look at what
was wrong with a toaster which he couldn't fix, by
the way, and the sweet was just dripping off me
and I was thinking, this is not this hot in
Wellington and Lahart. And I looked at my car and
it was twenty seven degree.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Could have come up.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
They could have come up the valley, you know the
fifteen cart. It was another three four degrees warmer, was it?
It was beautiful, It was beautiful.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
That's good. But I was in Wellington Harbor used to
having a swim. You can't do that another heart.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, you've got rivers, absolutely, you got rivers that can
people go swimming, and you would have spent a lot
of time in the rivers. Are they cold?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Free? Fresh?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That's cold and well ex Wellington mayor, Dame Carrey Prendergas,
nice to see you. We haven't seen each other for
a while, I know, but.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Hey, we're back.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, worl.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
It's moved on the place.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Looks doesn't he look great?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
And he doesn't look good?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
But sorry, if you can come in here and you
keep saying, well, how good carry looked and looked at minimum?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You always look great. You always look great. You're a farmacenical.
You just take whatever drugs you need to make yourselves
down good. You just go down and write your own
script out.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
So you're always pretty close on that.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
He always looks the same, he always looks great, and
he's try to tell everybody, try to tell everyone in
the newsroom. He comes up there and Puffsy's chest up carry.
I'll tell you the story trying to tell everyone that
the Hurricanes are going to beat the Crusaders in christ
Use today.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Absolutely put your money on now listen.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
If icons of rugby like Guppy don't say that, then
we're really in trouble. Of course they're going to beat
the Crusaders. Of course they have to. We're Wellingtonians.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Okay, they're making excuses already, thirteen injuries from their starting lineup.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
There's a crack in their armor already.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, when you know, what's the word no excuses? You
know what people start making excuses, whether it's a business
in life.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Thirteen out of fifteen are injured.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
If the front.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Liners are talking about forty in a squad.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
By the way, Kerry just say, you know, if there's
only fifteen on the field, so some of them have
got multiple injuries, no individual injury.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Can we can we can you explain that during the
ad break? Please? Wait?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Well, thirteen out of fifteen injuries, but it's only.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
There's forty in the squad, so there's thirteen out of forty.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Still they weren't all going to be on the field tonight.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right, Let's start with a very very serious topic. The
reaction coming in yesterday after an absolute tragedy in martin
Borough where a car crashed into a four person bike.
Now we've all seen them, carry you're outside your front door,
you see them all the time. They were very hard
to control. What the hell and I'll start with you
carry on? This is a four person pushbike with some tourists,
(03:26):
and we don't know who, but we know that one
of them was a tourist, or one or two of
them with tourists. Is on one hundred k road.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
So I've been to Martinborough and I've been on one
of those I call them crocodile bikes. But the four
or five people bike, we've ridden around all of those streets.
Martinborough is a tourist town. It promotes herself. It's wine
and hospitality. It's amazing those bikes at weekends are there
all of the time. So how come the locals don't
(03:54):
make allowance for it? I can't believe that. You know,
some of those rural roads they may well be signaled
as one hundred k's, but you have to take into
account the conditions and other people on the road. I
walk along that road and you know.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You walk on the road or on the side of it.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Well, I walk along because there's not actually a footpath
on the side, so I tend to walk on the
road and if I hear a car coming, I jump
off to the side. And normally they're very respectful. So
yesterday was a tragedy and they'll be you know, they'll
look into it. But I think the locals have to
understand if they want people to come to their town
spend money in their hospitality and retail, they've got to
(04:31):
look out for the ways people choose to get around.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, well, and this way and will have I mean
people will talk about it for years. It'll have you know,
it'll have some some fall down find it.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Oh, there's no question absolutely. I mean those big four
wheel bikes they're not easy to maneuver.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
No, they not unstable.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
They do and and really if you look at you know,
alcohol those four wheel bikes outside people from outside town
one hundred milely ok, cars going down road they.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Don't know kilometers it would have been eighty miles.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Eight well, but they don't make No, that's the issue.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And the real problem is we know we're on the
good days and the weekends. There's a lot of people there,
a lot of people going from winery to winery, and
even one of their own bar guys there said the
trolley use his words, not mine.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
So is there any I don't want to make an
assumption about whether these people.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
They hadn't they hadn't been. No, they hadn't.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
So I think the local authority is going to have
to look at the speed limits, and maybe there's temporary signage.
I'm not sure, but I do know that the locals
know these bikes are around. There's lots of them, and
they need to take more care.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Did you, either of you hear the interview with the
mere this morning on the show? I suppose you're too busy.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
I heard the interview with the potential mirror candidates. Man,
what I didn't Martin?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
No, okay, Well he thinks there's no problems. You know,
he's sitting back saying, oh, well, wait for the inquiry,
there's no problem. I mean, yeah, I felt that he
took it a little bit. Lais fair, Yeah, laissez fair.
That's a good, good way.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
And French at Tabor College, do you remember.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Only the stream classes learned French?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Harry, Oh you did commercial. That's why you're in business.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah. I started when you do an IQ test and
form two. I started in the stream class, but I
moved quickly when they worked out, They worked out very quickly.
What's that guy back there? What's his no bills? Get
back into the other road there, Go and learn how
to do some woodwork. What are you laughing for?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Because it was a bit like that underfloors you got
told whether you were going to get school set or not,
and if you had to work harder or not. But
you would have done commercial, not trade. No commercially commercial.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Right Getting onto politics. Act leader has been under fire
this week after it was revealed he wrote a supporting
letter to Philip Polkinhorn before he was charged with murder
and before let's be clear and upside front, before Seymour
was a minister. The controversy continue on Monday as Seymour
decided he wanted to drive an antique land drover up
(07:05):
Parliament step before being yelled out of Parliamentary security guard Wayne.
Is his behavior hurting the government?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Oh, there's a spin off and then they question about it.
I mean the incident at Parliament on Friday. I mean
if a member of the public had done that, they've
been arrested and if he knows the rules, I mean,
it's it's a stupid thing to be doing in his position.
He's about to become a deputy prime minister, and you know,
if he's working on the assumption that there's one thing
(07:37):
worse in life than being talked about, and that's not
being talked about, it's working for him, but it's certainly
not helping the coalition. And and now that he's going
to have added responsibility with a title or deputy mayor
at deputy prime minister, then you know that that behavior
is not going to help.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Are we seeing something here developing or is it? Mike
Costkins said, it's look at three teams, three captains and
one team. You're always going to have nakeles and have problems.
And he said, don't make anything of it. I feel
that that he's luxn's been made to be a bit
of a puppeteer where he's trying to keep everything under
control and it is hurting his leadership. What are your.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Thoughts, Well, it is tough and as we get closer
to the election next year, they'll all be wanting their publicity.
Winston and Seymour are going to be really out there
and making a point of difference. I think Seymour absolutely
blew it, in particular driving a jeep upstairs. The reality
is he's a serious man with a serious message and
(08:39):
normally comes over like that. This was a stunt and
it was a face and he looked ridiculous. And I
don't even know what he was raising money for. It
said cancer, but I don't remember it coming through. So
if this was to raise money and to raise profile
for cancer, he certainly didn't do that in my books.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You see, when we did the story on the show,
I had three articles that were all heading up Seymour, this,
Seamour this. On one day when I see I had three,
Ethan said, you haven't even got this one. It's four,
you know, four articles about I heard him David.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Seymour rather moment that it'd had one hundred and fifty
plus media mentions, and he saw that as a plus.
I'm not sure that any publicity is always good publicity.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, I wonder whether the publicity about him giving kids
pies for lunch today is good publicity.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Well, I don't know that it's necessarily the pies. It's
the breakdown and the commitments. It sounds like the food
they've not been able to get it the amount on
time and into the schools at the right temperature, with
sort of food that kids eat. It sounds awful. Really,
they can't open the boxes. Some of it's moldy. It
sounds awful. They've got to lift their game.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, they're probably absolutely rapped like I was when I
got a pie at school.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Will be there today. I'll be hitting him today.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
So you did a big story yesterday about the pies
in Wellington salute and ten thousand in January? Was amazing?
Was it on this radious? Anyway? I can look he's
looking the other way, can'naben? But I mean people like pies,
so I don't mind the odd time if they can't
deliver they get a pie. But the reality it sounds terrible.
(10:18):
The supply of the appropriate food with appropriate nutritional value
in Auckland, it's just not working. They've got to sort it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh good gosh, I love a good chicken pie. It's
a place out in Patoni good Fortune Coffee. Okay, good
Fortune Coffee and Patoni chicken pie. To die for, to
die for, just letting you know, take a short break
and I'm going to come back with the Poles, because
while this is all going on, the Sea More Side
shows all going on, the Poles are saying that if
(10:46):
we went to vote today, the less would win by
one vote if they could all hold hands. I struggle
to see that Labour, Greens and to Party Mary could
sit around the same room and all hold hands. I
struggle with that Friday face off with Wayne Guppy and
Damon Cary Brinegast. We're just talking about private health insurance
off here. You know, sooner or later you just cannot
(11:06):
afford to keep it going. Sooner or later it gets
too expensive. But we're not talking about that on the show.
We just talk It's amazing what we talk about, or fair,
isn't it? Back to what we are going to talk
about now is polls. This week we found that the
New Zealand voted right today. Right now the Left block
(11:26):
would be in government. Whether they'd all be able to
work together, it's a different story, Kerry. Why do you
think the coalition and government are struggling in the polls.
Why do you think David Christopher Luxon is not sort
of getting that momentum around his leadership that we thought
that he's probably due.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So a couple of things. People do polls different to
the way they might vote, so they might be sending
a message. So whether that means that if there was
an election tomorrow that's would be the outcome, we'd have
to wait and see. Luxeon. They're going through a tough time.
They're trying to sort the economy. They've made it clear
it's about growth. Last year was really hard. This year
(12:07):
we're starting to see science things are improving. They've got
inflation down, the interest rates are coming down. There is
some small tough times, but we're starting to see the
Green shoots and I think, well New Zealand is not
just Wellingtonians need to wait for the outcome. It is
tough holding a coalition together. And I agree we're not
hearing anything from the other side. So what would they
(12:27):
do to try and keep to party Maray and Greens
in the same sort of coalition.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, I mean one guppy labor they're not doing anything.
It's the government, the coalition that's letting us down. It's
not like the Labour's come out with all these ideas.
And maybe we've made a mistake by both voting this
crowd and is it.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, I mean, it's it's a moment of time and
we are impatient. I mean, if you look at the polls,
it's about the economy, the economy of the economy, and
people are saying moy better. Often at the moment they
probably haven't shifted usually from the two or three years
we've got to we still get the Opposition of Parliament
saying inflations up. You know, the economy is in poor state,
and the fact that you know, National's telling us that
(13:09):
they're having to fix the economy because that's that's what
they inherited. But people view they say, am I better
off now? And the answer, probably for many of them,
is not really. And so I put my hand up there.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I put my hand up there. I say, I think
I would have been better off if the labor had
got back in and I'm a.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Small busins country's debt wouldn't have been but we're so
indebted and they just kept spending, spending, spending, and they're
still not saying what they would do to get the
economy back on track, the opposition. So I'm with Guppy.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, but remember though this week there was some better
news coming from the treasury that was starting, as carry said,
some green shoots, but that will move the poles. But
certainly from the point of view for most people, most
families will look when if they got wrung up on
a pole and go, well, actually, nothing's happened really for
me in the last sixteen months.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
But what had has happened is health insurance has gone up,
the house prices. You've seen in Wellington that the value
of the city has dropped dramatically, and yet our rates
have gone up, and they're wondering, how can I get
my evaluation and it's dropped by this amount of money,
a massive amount, and yet the rates have gone up
so for and that's I'm sure across the whole of news, right,
(14:21):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I want to center in on Christopher.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Like leadership, right, all right, go to Guffy.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Okay, I mean I said that, as I said, I
feel that he isn't. We're not seeing the true hymn.
We're seeing, you know, the hooker in the front row.
We're seeing someone trying to hold everything together, hook the ball,
do everything right, but not really the great leader that
he could be would be be. We don't know because
(14:46):
he's trying to keep the coalition together.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, look, that's important to keep the coalition together.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I mean, there's no question about that, and that's that's
an important part of his role.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
But to be fear too.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I actually don't think media giving the right wing a
fear go. It's particularly negativity yet, particularly on TV, the
negativity when some of the tough decisions they've made. It's
not about yeah, it's not about saying these decisions we've
(15:18):
made that. It's always about the negative side of it,
and that that makes it tough, do you.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Think of it?
Speaker 5 (15:25):
He does have to hold the coalition. He's trying to
run a corporate model and he's still working his way
through that. I'm not sure that necessary is the right way,
but he has to manage a coalition. That's what MMP's about,
and they have to have their point of difference to
get elected. But Winston wants this to work, and certainly
Seymour wants it to work. This is his first time
(15:46):
ever in government. He wants there, he wants to be
there for the long term. They will make it work.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
He's not behaving. I'm sorry, but I have to take
you to task on that. I don't think David Seemore
was behaving like he wants to be there for the
long term. I think he thinks he could be the
prime minister next term.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
He'd be pretty naive to think he could ever be
prime minister. To be quite honest, he's a small party
on the far right. I don't think New Zealand's ever
going to be ready for David to be a prime minister.
The reality is we've already talked about. I think it
was a farce what he did. He made a mistake
and he's got to learn from it and continue to
be the serious politician that he has been in the past.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But how long will we we as New Zealanders keep
putting up with these polls being negative towards the government. Now,
I mean, this is the second lot of Poles.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well again, once the economy turns, you know, once I
mean they have made that They've put things in place,
and you will see once the economy turns, you know,
as you said, household and families will feel better and
that does change poles. But certainly from the point you know,
we don't understand we're seen here a true coalition and
I'm not sure that even some of the priests and
(16:54):
Lord of New Zealanders realize that actually you've got three
teams and one and and that's you know, this is
this is what we haven't dealt with that in the past.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
And it always comes back to the bottom line. Is
it better in my back pocket? Is am I safe
around the streets?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
You know?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Crime?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Health?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Am I able to access health if I can't afford
private healthcare? And are my kids being well educated? They
have to turn the doal on those four things.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Which they have done and they're reporting every day.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Keeps reinforcing the fact that maybe they're in a state
of chaos and things, but they've made they made some
tough calls. Which are you know, there's en upheaval and education,
health are all big do you.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I mean yes or no? Do you think that those
things health, policing, education is any better than it was
in the previous government right now?
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Well, looking at a long time to as well. No,
because I've got to go through it. I think some
of the work they're doing around charter schools, I think
there is going to be improvements in both literacy and numeracy.
They're really working on those two things. And the work
Eric is doing, I think she's doing a great job.
In terms of the economy. We've talked about that. In
terms of policing, they've got more policemen on the street,
(18:16):
they're reducing head office. We've got to see a reduction
in crime. And what was my fourth one education of health,
health health, Well it still seems I mean, there's a
lot of people trying to do a lot of work
in that area, and I know for a fact that
waiting times are not reducing. They've got to turn the
(18:37):
dial on that They've got the right man, the honorable
sim in the place. So let's see if he can
do it.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Take a short break, have some headlines and be back
with Dame Kerry Prendergast and Wayne Guppy. Just for your information,
I went to see my doctor about a lump during
the week. He said I want to get an ultrasound
within twenty four hours. Tried to make a booking, no
insurance anymore, obviously, tried to make a booking seventh of
March and he wanted it within twenty four hours. So
(19:04):
that tells you where we are with our medical system,
isn't it? Friday Face Off? Dame Kerrey Prendagas and Upper Hutmere,
Wayne Guppy are with me. Work on the intersection, as
part of Wellington's Golden Mile project will start in April,
probably start April first, get my congression out. But the Council,
(19:24):
the Council of announced but contracts still haven't been signed
for the majority of the work and there's no time
frames when the work will begin. Dame Carry, what is
going on? What are you feeling? Do you think this
is the right thing? I know that Rex has come
out and says he wants it to stop. He's you know,
wants it, you know, thinks it's wrong, and I agree
with him. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
So Wakefield Street, which is critical water infrastructure, is not
going to finish to July, so let's say they're a
bit late August, September. Kent and Cambridge end outside the
Embassy is going to start in April. It's going to
drop to one lane. It's already just down to one
lane like two for bikes, one buses and car. How
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on earth is that intersection Kent and Cambridge and Wakefield
Street going to work. It's a disaster now trying to
get out in the morning. We live in Orangtol Bay.
We don't have a lot of choices. And unless I'm
walking but in a car, how on earth is it
going to work? I am. I cannot believe they didn't
schedule it to start one when the other finished. And secondly,
(20:31):
why they're doing it when there's such opposition and don't
allow the polls and the election to tell them the
right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
What's your view? Sorry? Wayne, I'll come to you a second,
but this is very much Carrie's tactic. What's your view
if Tory gets in come this election? So I mean
what I'm saying. So I've come out and said, if
she gets in again, you go for it. You build
whatever you want to build, because that's you've got the bat.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
I heard of being interviewed, and that's what she said.
She's taking her mayoralty on starting this project. And she
gets re elected, she'll complete it. But if she doesn't
get re elected and other people stand on something else,
it's very hard to are undo the amount of money
that will be going into that intersection, and it's too late.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
You can always undo things, but it costs sometimes more
to undo than it does. I heard a number recently
Island Bay, let's go through it. They did what they've
done in Thornton Gee, they stopped it, they started again,
they took it away, they put back something twenty million
was spent on that. The cycle ways and the bus
lanes and the road in Island Bay. That's the number
(21:36):
that it costs to fix and unfixed stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Wayne Guppy, what do you tell the person the husband
and wife team family that have retired and lived in
Newtown or Island Bay or Kilbernie anywhere around the Wellington
region that are really struggling to pay their rates bill
and the council's doing stuff like this, what do you
say to them?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well, I mean it's difficult forever, but the fact of
the matter is you'd want them to be the council
will be saying, hey, it's got stop. There's no question
about that. I mean, as you curiously, there's been a
big waste of money and you've got to think back that.
I mean, these sort of projects have been on the
books for must be ten ten years. That started talking
(22:18):
about the decks, get Willington moving, and then there's been
piecemeal bits of you know, parts of this and parts
of that, and it really hasn't helped. And it's and
it's hurting Wellington.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Do you feel it from from where you are? Can
you see what's going on from where you are?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
And Uppert absolutely.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I mean you've got to remember a large percentage of
spend a lot of time in the city and come
to work here and and look, I always said, when
Wellington's humming, the region's humming.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
And you can certainly feel it in Courtney Place. So Nick,
I know that you will personally be feeling it. I've
had well won ble of meetings this week. Well I'm
talking now about hospitality and retail business and Courtney Place.
I heard an officer yesterday saying, but people will still
be able to access it, they'll better walk there. The
reality is, if you're coming in from Kroy to spend
a night in town and you know this can instruction
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happening in Courtney Place, I don't think I'll go to
Cuba Street or I'll go to the Hut. So they
may well still out access things on public transport and walking,
but they'll make the decision not to come. And that
is critical for businesses in Courtney Place.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I keep thinking that in the middle of the night
here and you know what I think. I think maybe
they'll want to come into Courtney Place to see what's
going on for the development. I mean, I've got to
look at the sony side, don't I all right.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Well that's during the day, but I know I'd come
in at night to look at the construction.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I'm sorry, but remember what will happened to the people
out in the in the Hut Valley and the people
in the Cabny Coast and Piru. They'll get messed to
say it's chaos in town.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Don't and go yeah, it's even like that. I mean,
I feel for the guy that owns a New World
supermarket in running. I mean you go cross there now
and there's no cars park in the car park. You
imagine what his business is costing. And will that water
stuff's going on? News Talk said, be wanting to morning.
Carrie's trying to be my doctor at the moment.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
So that's all right, she said, at least I'm not
trying to be your midwife.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Well, you did deliver of Cooper out there. We keep
telling everybody that it's the most famous person you delivered
Adam Cooper. We keep telling him carry's senior naked.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
I've had to talk to him about that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well you're telling them.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I'm not saying anything on you.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
We're not talking about things specifically, are we hopefully we're not. Well,
let's get back to face off. K Dane, Kerrey Predagast
and Wayne Guffy Super annuation? Do you get a super?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Of course?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Guppy, do you get a super?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yep? Do you need it?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Well, there's no question that we're in a situation in
Zilla and where there's got to be a discussion. Absolutely
no question about risk and whether it be changing the
age or whether it be means testing. But as a
country we've got to be mature enough to know that
in the next twenty thirty years we can't sustain it.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
It's not even twenty or thirty years. By twenty thirty,
twenty percent of us will be over sixty five, so
that's not many people left to fund it. So it's
not affordable. It should be means tested and the age race.
And I remember the days you will he's too young
when Muldoon stopped that compulsory Just.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
We just want to tell our listeners. You're looking at wait,
don't she's not looking She's looking at Wade and saying
I'm too young. Yeah, but I'm talking out listeners don't.
I'm thinking he's looking at Nick. It wags under the
Then I just want to clarify it.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
I just want to be able to stop the compulsory
pension fund. Do you imagine if he hadn't stopped it,
what the value of that would have been now? And
it would have been and we would have been enjoying
the interest payments as our super Now unfortunately there isn't
and it's just not affordable as a country.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
But you see, those are the short term political decisions
to get made, and that suicide not for the good
of the country. And we're at that point again. I
mean there's no there's no maybe shell it's as a
country we have to.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Did you know when the sixty five was set, the
life expectancy for a male in New Zealand was sixty
seven and a female was seventy one. Now they're both
over eighty, So I mean, why are we so upset
about changing?
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah, well, all of our parents. We know when the
men retired at sixty they didn't live very long and
women lived a bit longer, slightly healthier lifestyle. But now
we're living much longer and there's more of us.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
So what do we do means test and raise the
age sixty seven or sixty seventy.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Look, you'd have to there'd be modelers and actuaries. Ha'd
work out what was affordable. But it has to be
there has to be a community discussion. I do agree
it should be means tested, otherwise it won't be affordable.
It's not just raising the age. It has to go
to the people who need it most.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Right. A fun story that we did this week that
I want to get the review on it from you guys.
Hit shiking now, I can't imagine either of you ever
hitchhiking in your life. Have either of you hitchhike?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
No, I have once. Have you did it once? I did?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Super up?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
No, No, it was long before I was didn't marry that.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
A friend and friend and I wanted to hitchhike to
a friend's a mate's party at Wike and I from
Upper Hut and it took us so long I could
have walked.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
They get to come back into the sunny to turn
around and go back up, and.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I never did it again.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
My mate fifty years later, still says people never hitchhike
with guppy because no one will pick you up.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, it's a bad story because that's a guy in
Hawkspace getting his teaching his kids to hitchhikee because there's
no school bus anymore. Would you, either of you, I'll
go to you first care. Would you pick up a hitchhiker?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I would if they were young and a female. It
was just me in the Carrick was in the Rex
was in the car. I might look at someone who
was well dressed with a pack looking like they were
desperate for are right, I'd be a bit nervous taking
a man on my own, And there's been examples of
what happens when some woman have done that.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Wayne Guppy, would you pick up a No?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Unfortunately, the will we live in todays, you know it's
not as safe it used to be. And you know
from Kerry saying, you know I might pick up someone
who's maybe will dressed. I mean you go to pick
them up, you don't know who's sitting or hiding behind
a bush down the road.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
So yeah, sadly that's the world we live in. And no,
I wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Picking Can I repeat her dad joke that Ethan gave
me about hitchhikers? This guy picks up a hitchhiker and
the hitchhiker and they're driving along and the hitchhiker looks
a him and says, how do you know that I'm
not a mass murderer to the driver, And the driver
looked at him and says, what's the chances of two
mass murderers in the same car?
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Good response?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
The serial killers was actually not mass murderers. What's the
difference between a mass murder and a serial killer?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
One does it in one go and one does it
over a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm not sure, Christ, just very very quickly. EV's right.
The country's most popular EV Tesla have had their sales
in Australia, New Zealand absolutely tumble another. Evs are exactly
the same that you know, they're not selling like they
used to carry. You used to I don't know whether
(29:31):
you still do, but you used to drive an EV.
We've got a it's a novelty.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
We've got a series three Tesla. Rex loves them. It's
our second one. He wants to get a new one.
I understand that the drop off is due to both
the road user chargers and the removal of the EV grant.
The reality is it's still cheaper we've done the work,
it's still cheaper to use. My biggest problem with them,
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apart from range anxiety, which I get a lot of,
is the reality is that you can't say they're environmentally
friendly because the cost of digging lithium out of the
two or three places in the world where where it's
found naturally is massive and they still haven't worked out
where they're going to put it, so it's not an
environmentally friendly option.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Resale people have woken up to that.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I think that if you like the propaganda and the
advertisement went on early on, plus the incentive, people now
realizing that actually it's not it's not what they tell
us about really, and they start thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
So the environments not the great winner.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
It is quite nice when you put your foot down
and it just takes off.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And the road anxiety is if you get that the
program is actually okay because you're just programming into your current.
It tells you where the next one and so it's
not quite as bad.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
The Friday fast.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Okay, But you've got to go first because if I
have to cut carry off because the timing, I can
just cut her off. I would you know, you go first,
your hots and knots.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Please look, I know he's unorthodox, but four weeks and.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
There's been a lot of action. I'll go with President
Trump whether you like him or not. The fact of
a matter is what you see and what's happening. He's
he's doing things, and so for me it's as I said,
he's unorthodox and people might look like it, but he's
doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Can I remind you it's election year and you're standing
when you stayed stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
At this time of year, you're running out of time.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And is really the debarkle with the Cook Islands?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I mean, it's an issue for New Zealand, it's an
issue for the Pacific, and it's going to be an
issue between eventually our relationship with the US and China.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
So it's big.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Problems for absolutely. Carry predas what's your hot, Well, my.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Het is how fantastic the weather is. But yesterday I
went in or the last couple of nights into for
a swim and it is freezing. I've just come back
from Tapo and it is warmer in Lake Tauerpo than
it is in Oriento Bay. What's not first? My first
not hot is his view on Trump. So we're going
to have to have a whole debate on that. That
was a shock. That would take me forever to talk
(31:57):
about that. And I can't believe when they're doing these
this is my real knot when they're doing these huge projects,
why they can't do two shifts like Wakefield Street. Why
aren't they working two shifts? Reree this health and safety?
So maybe not at night although they have these big lights,
Why aren't they doing two and ideally three shifts?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Get Can I tell you that my other office is
in Blair Street and that noise no one would sleep?
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Okay, so two shifts?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Okay? Yes? And it is it is it's your water
people doing it, doesn't it's what Wellington Water.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Yes, I know they have to do it, but why
can't they do it in two shifts instead of one?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You're on that board, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
You'll have a different opinion. If they were doing the
works outside of her house in Oriental Bay.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I should tell us there definitely would Thank carry pretagas way, Guppy,
you know what. It's lovely to see you both.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Thank you. Nice to see you too. You're looking good
despite your lump.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
It's in the wrong place.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Stars and joining us the Friday face off this week
is Upper Hut Mayor Wayne Guppy Wayne, Good morning, Good
morning Neck, And you get a little bit closer to
that microphone, but you can move it. You can call it.
It's water, you can move. Good morning, Neck, Good morning.
Great to see you. How you're doing great.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well on a great daylight Listen Welling. You've got to
be good, don't you.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well. I was out at Lowahart yesterday dropping a toaster
off our guy that fixes our toasters for our cafes
and operates out of La Hut, and I was sitting
outside waiting for him to have a look at what
was wrong with a toaster which he couldn't fix, by
the way, and the sweet was just dripping off me
and I was thinking, this is not this hot in
Wellington and Lahart. And I looked at my car and
it was twenty seven degree.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Could have come up.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
They could have come up the valley, you know the
fifteen cart. It was another three four degrees warmer, was it?
It was beautiful, It was beautiful.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
That's good. But I was in Wellington Harbor used to
having a swim. You can't do that another heart.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, you've got rivers, absolutely, you got rivers that can
people go swimming, and you would have spent a lot
of time in the rivers. Are they cold?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Free? Fresh?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That's cold and well ex Wellington mayor, Dame Carrey Prendergas,
nice to see you. We haven't seen each other for
a while, I know, but.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Hey, we're back.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, worl.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
It's moved on the place.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Looks doesn't he look great?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
And he doesn't look good?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
But sorry, if you can come in here and you
keep saying, well, how good carry looked and looked at minimum?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You always look great. You always look great. You're a farmacenical.
You just take whatever drugs you need to make yourselves
down good. You just go down and write your own
script out.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
So you're always pretty close on that.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
He always looks the same, he always looks great, and
he's try to tell everybody, try to tell everyone in
the newsroom. He comes up there and Puffsy's chest up carry.
I'll tell you the story trying to tell everyone that
the Hurricanes are going to beat the Crusaders in christ
Use today.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Absolutely put your money on now listen.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
If icons of rugby like Guppy don't say that, then
we're really in trouble. Of course they're going to beat
the Crusaders. Of course they have to. We're Wellingtonians.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Okay, they're making excuses already, thirteen injuries from their starting lineup.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
There's a crack in their armor already.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, when you know, what's the word no excuses? You
know what people start making excuses, whether it's a business
in life.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Thirteen out of fifteen are injured.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
If the front.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Liners are talking about forty in a squad.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
By the way, Kerry just say, you know, if there's
only fifteen on the field, so some of them have
got multiple injuries, no individual injury.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Can we can we can you explain that during the
ad break? Please? Wait?
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Well, thirteen out of fifteen injuries, but it's only.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
There's forty in the squad, so there's thirteen out of forty.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Still they weren't all going to be on the field tonight.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right, Let's start with a very very serious topic. The
reaction coming in yesterday after an absolute tragedy in martin
Borough where a car crashed into a four person bike.
Now we've all seen them, carry you're outside your front door,
you see them all the time. They were very hard
to control. What the hell and I'll start with you
carry on? This is a four person pushbike with some tourists,
(03:26):
and we don't know who, but we know that one
of them was a tourist, or one or two of
them with tourists. Is on one hundred k road.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
So I've been to Martinborough and I've been on one
of those I call them crocodile bikes. But the four
or five people bike, we've ridden around all of those streets.
Martinborough is a tourist town. It promotes herself. It's wine
and hospitality. It's amazing those bikes at weekends are there
all of the time. So how come the locals don't
(03:54):
make allowance for it? I can't believe that. You know,
some of those rural roads they may well be signaled
as one hundred k's, but you have to take into
account the conditions and other people on the road. I
walk along that road and you know.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You walk on the road or on the side of it.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Well, I walk along because there's not actually a footpath
on the side, so I tend to walk on the
road and if I hear a car coming, I jump
off to the side. And normally they're very respectful. So
yesterday was a tragedy and they'll be you know, they'll
look into it. But I think the locals have to
understand if they want people to come to their town
spend money in their hospitality and retail, they've got to
(04:31):
look out for the ways people choose to get around.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, well, and this way and will have I mean
people will talk about it for years. It'll have you know,
it'll have some some fall down find it.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Oh, there's no question absolutely. I mean those big four
wheel bikes they're not easy to maneuver.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
No, they not unstable.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
They do and and really if you look at you know,
alcohol those four wheel bikes outside people from outside town
one hundred milely ok, cars going down road they.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Don't know kilometers it would have been eighty miles.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Eight well, but they don't make No, that's the issue.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And the real problem is we know we're on the
good days and the weekends. There's a lot of people there,
a lot of people going from winery to winery, and
even one of their own bar guys there said the
trolley use his words, not mine.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
So is there any I don't want to make an
assumption about whether these people.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
They hadn't they hadn't been. No, they hadn't.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
So I think the local authority is going to have
to look at the speed limits, and maybe there's temporary signage.
I'm not sure, but I do know that the locals
know these bikes are around. There's lots of them, and
they need to take more care.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Did you, either of you hear the interview with the
mere this morning on the show? I suppose you're too busy.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
I heard the interview with the potential mirror candidates. Man,
what I didn't Martin?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
No, okay, Well he thinks there's no problems. You know,
he's sitting back saying, oh, well, wait for the inquiry,
there's no problem. I mean, yeah, I felt that he
took it a little bit. Lais fair, Yeah, laissez fair.
That's a good, good way.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
And French at Tabor College, do you remember.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Only the stream classes learned French?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Harry, Oh you did commercial. That's why you're in business.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah. I started when you do an IQ test and
form two. I started in the stream class, but I
moved quickly when they worked out, They worked out very quickly.
What's that guy back there? What's his no bills? Get
back into the other road there, Go and learn how
to do some woodwork. What are you laughing for?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Because it was a bit like that underfloors you got
told whether you were going to get school set or not,
and if you had to work harder or not. But
you would have done commercial, not trade. No commercially commercial.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Right Getting onto politics. Act leader has been under fire
this week after it was revealed he wrote a supporting
letter to Philip Polkinhorn before he was charged with murder
and before let's be clear and upside front, before Seymour
was a minister. The controversy continue on Monday as Seymour
decided he wanted to drive an antique land drover up
(07:05):
Parliament step before being yelled out of Parliamentary security guard Wayne.
Is his behavior hurting the government?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Oh, there's a spin off and then they question about it.
I mean the incident at Parliament on Friday. I mean
if a member of the public had done that, they've
been arrested and if he knows the rules, I mean,
it's it's a stupid thing to be doing in his position.
He's about to become a deputy prime minister, and you know,
if he's working on the assumption that there's one thing
(07:37):
worse in life than being talked about, and that's not
being talked about, it's working for him, but it's certainly
not helping the coalition. And and now that he's going
to have added responsibility with a title or deputy mayor
at deputy prime minister, then you know that that behavior
is not going to help.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Are we seeing something here developing or is it? Mike
Costkins said, it's look at three teams, three captains and
one team. You're always going to have nakeles and have problems.
And he said, don't make anything of it. I feel
that that he's luxn's been made to be a bit
of a puppeteer where he's trying to keep everything under
control and it is hurting his leadership. What are your.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Thoughts, Well, it is tough and as we get closer
to the election next year, they'll all be wanting their publicity.
Winston and Seymour are going to be really out there
and making a point of difference. I think Seymour absolutely
blew it, in particular driving a jeep upstairs. The reality
is he's a serious man with a serious message and
(08:39):
normally comes over like that. This was a stunt and
it was a face and he looked ridiculous. And I
don't even know what he was raising money for. It
said cancer, but I don't remember it coming through. So
if this was to raise money and to raise profile
for cancer, he certainly didn't do that in my books.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You see, when we did the story on the show,
I had three articles that were all heading up Seymour, this,
Seamour this. On one day when I see I had three,
Ethan said, you haven't even got this one. It's four,
you know, four articles about I heard him David.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Seymour rather moment that it'd had one hundred and fifty
plus media mentions, and he saw that as a plus.
I'm not sure that any publicity is always good publicity.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, I wonder whether the publicity about him giving kids
pies for lunch today is good publicity.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Well, I don't know that it's necessarily the pies. It's
the breakdown and the commitments. It sounds like the food
they've not been able to get it the amount on
time and into the schools at the right temperature, with
sort of food that kids eat. It sounds awful. Really,
they can't open the boxes. Some of it's moldy. It
sounds awful. They've got to lift their game.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, they're probably absolutely rapped like I was when I
got a pie at school.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Will be there today. I'll be hitting him today.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
So you did a big story yesterday about the pies
in Wellington salute and ten thousand in January? Was amazing?
Was it on this radious? Anyway? I can look he's
looking the other way, can'naben? But I mean people like pies,
so I don't mind the odd time if they can't
deliver they get a pie. But the reality it sounds terrible.
(10:18):
The supply of the appropriate food with appropriate nutritional value
in Auckland, it's just not working. They've got to sort it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh good gosh, I love a good chicken pie. It's
a place out in Patoni good Fortune Coffee. Okay, good
Fortune Coffee and Patoni chicken pie. To die for, to
die for, just letting you know, take a short break
and I'm going to come back with the Poles, because
while this is all going on, the Sea More Side
shows all going on, the Poles are saying that if
(10:46):
we went to vote today, the less would win by
one vote if they could all hold hands. I struggle
to see that Labour, Greens and to Party Mary could
sit around the same room and all hold hands. I
struggle with that Friday face off with Wayne Guppy and
Damon Cary Brinegast. We're just talking about private health insurance
off here. You know, sooner or later you just cannot
(11:06):
afford to keep it going. Sooner or later it gets
too expensive. But we're not talking about that on the show.
We just talk It's amazing what we talk about, or fair,
isn't it? Back to what we are going to talk
about now is polls. This week we found that the
New Zealand voted right today. Right now the Left block
(11:26):
would be in government. Whether they'd all be able to
work together, it's a different story, Kerry. Why do you
think the coalition and government are struggling in the polls.
Why do you think David Christopher Luxon is not sort
of getting that momentum around his leadership that we thought
that he's probably due.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So a couple of things. People do polls different to
the way they might vote, so they might be sending
a message. So whether that means that if there was
an election tomorrow that's would be the outcome, we'd have
to wait and see. Luxeon. They're going through a tough time.
They're trying to sort the economy. They've made it clear
it's about growth. Last year was really hard. This year
(12:07):
we're starting to see science things are improving. They've got
inflation down, the interest rates are coming down. There is
some small tough times, but we're starting to see the
Green shoots and I think, well New Zealand is not
just Wellingtonians need to wait for the outcome. It is
tough holding a coalition together. And I agree we're not
hearing anything from the other side. So what would they
(12:27):
do to try and keep to party Maray and Greens
in the same sort of coalition.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, I mean one guppy labor they're not doing anything.
It's the government, the coalition that's letting us down. It's
not like the Labour's come out with all these ideas.
And maybe we've made a mistake by both voting this
crowd and is it.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, I mean, it's it's a moment of time and
we are impatient. I mean, if you look at the polls,
it's about the economy, the economy of the economy, and
people are saying moy better. Often at the moment they
probably haven't shifted usually from the two or three years
we've got to we still get the Opposition of Parliament
saying inflations up. You know, the economy is in poor state,
and the fact that you know, National's telling us that
(13:09):
they're having to fix the economy because that's that's what
they inherited. But people view they say, am I better
off now? And the answer, probably for many of them,
is not really. And so I put my hand up there.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I put my hand up there. I say, I think
I would have been better off if the labor had
got back in and I'm a.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Small busins country's debt wouldn't have been but we're so
indebted and they just kept spending, spending, spending, and they're
still not saying what they would do to get the
economy back on track, the opposition. So I'm with Guppy.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Yeah, but remember though this week there was some better
news coming from the treasury that was starting, as carry said,
some green shoots, but that will move the poles. But
certainly from the point of view for most people, most
families will look when if they got wrung up on
a pole and go, well, actually, nothing's happened really for
me in the last sixteen months.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
But what had has happened is health insurance has gone up,
the house prices. You've seen in Wellington that the value
of the city has dropped dramatically, and yet our rates
have gone up, and they're wondering, how can I get
my evaluation and it's dropped by this amount of money,
a massive amount, and yet the rates have gone up
so for and that's I'm sure across the whole of news, right,
(14:21):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I want to center in on Christopher.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Like leadership, right, all right, go to Guffy.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Okay, I mean I said that, as I said, I
feel that he isn't. We're not seeing the true hymn.
We're seeing, you know, the hooker in the front row.
We're seeing someone trying to hold everything together, hook the ball,
do everything right, but not really the great leader that
he could be would be be. We don't know because
(14:46):
he's trying to keep the coalition together.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, look, that's important to keep the coalition together.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I mean, there's no question about that, and that's that's
an important part of his role.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
But to be fear too.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I actually don't think media giving the right wing a
fear go. It's particularly negativity yet, particularly on TV, the
negativity when some of the tough decisions they've made. It's
not about yeah, it's not about saying these decisions we've
(15:18):
made that. It's always about the negative side of it,
and that that makes it tough, do you.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Think of it?
Speaker 5 (15:25):
He does have to hold the coalition. He's trying to
run a corporate model and he's still working his way
through that. I'm not sure that necessary is the right way,
but he has to manage a coalition. That's what MMP's about,
and they have to have their point of difference to
get elected. But Winston wants this to work, and certainly
Seymour wants it to work. This is his first time
(15:46):
ever in government. He wants there, he wants to be
there for the long term. They will make it work.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
He's not behaving. I'm sorry, but I have to take
you to task on that. I don't think David Seemore
was behaving like he wants to be there for the
long term. I think he thinks he could be the
prime minister next term.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
He'd be pretty naive to think he could ever be
prime minister. To be quite honest, he's a small party
on the far right. I don't think New Zealand's ever
going to be ready for David to be a prime minister.
The reality is we've already talked about. I think it
was a farce what he did. He made a mistake
and he's got to learn from it and continue to
be the serious politician that he has been in the past.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But how long will we we as New Zealanders keep
putting up with these polls being negative towards the government. Now,
I mean, this is the second lot of Poles.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well again, once the economy turns, you know, once I
mean they have made that They've put things in place,
and you will see once the economy turns, you know,
as you said, household and families will feel better and
that does change poles. But certainly from the point you know,
we don't understand we're seen here a true coalition and
I'm not sure that even some of the priests and
(16:54):
Lord of New Zealanders realize that actually you've got three
teams and one and and that's you know, this is
this is what we haven't dealt with that in the past.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
And it always comes back to the bottom line. Is
it better in my back pocket? Is am I safe
around the streets?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
You know?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Crime?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Health?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Am I able to access health if I can't afford
private healthcare? And are my kids being well educated? They
have to turn the doal on those four things.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Which they have done and they're reporting every day.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Keeps reinforcing the fact that maybe they're in a state
of chaos and things, but they've made they made some
tough calls. Which are you know, there's en upheaval and education,
health are all big do you.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I mean yes or no? Do you think that those
things health, policing, education is any better than it was
in the previous government right now?
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Well, looking at a long time to as well. No,
because I've got to go through it. I think some
of the work they're doing around charter schools, I think
there is going to be improvements in both literacy and numeracy.
They're really working on those two things. And the work
Eric is doing, I think she's doing a great job.
In terms of the economy. We've talked about that. In
terms of policing, they've got more policemen on the street,
(18:16):
they're reducing head office. We've got to see a reduction
in crime. And what was my fourth one education of health,
health health, Well it still seems I mean, there's a
lot of people trying to do a lot of work
in that area, and I know for a fact that
waiting times are not reducing. They've got to turn the
(18:37):
dial on that They've got the right man, the honorable
sim in the place. So let's see if he can
do it.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Take a short break, have some headlines and be back
with Dame Kerry Prendergast and Wayne Guppy. Just for your information,
I went to see my doctor about a lump during
the week. He said I want to get an ultrasound
within twenty four hours. Tried to make a booking, no
insurance anymore, obviously, tried to make a booking seventh of
March and he wanted it within twenty four hours. So
(19:04):
that tells you where we are with our medical system,
isn't it? Friday Face Off? Dame Kerrey Prendagas and Upper Hutmere,
Wayne Guppy are with me. Work on the intersection, as
part of Wellington's Golden Mile project will start in April,
probably start April first, get my congression out. But the Council,
(19:24):
the Council of announced but contracts still haven't been signed
for the majority of the work and there's no time
frames when the work will begin. Dame Carry, what is
going on? What are you feeling? Do you think this
is the right thing? I know that Rex has come
out and says he wants it to stop. He's you know,
wants it, you know, thinks it's wrong, and I agree
with him. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
So Wakefield Street, which is critical water infrastructure, is not
going to finish to July, so let's say they're a
bit late August, September. Kent and Cambridge end outside the
Embassy is going to start in April. It's going to
drop to one lane. It's already just down to one
lane like two for bikes, one buses and car. How
(20:07):
on earth is that intersection Kent and Cambridge and Wakefield
Street going to work. It's a disaster now trying to
get out in the morning. We live in Orangtol Bay.
We don't have a lot of choices. And unless I'm
walking but in a car, how on earth is it
going to work? I am. I cannot believe they didn't
schedule it to start one when the other finished. And secondly,
(20:31):
why they're doing it when there's such opposition and don't
allow the polls and the election to tell them the
right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
What's your view? Sorry? Wayne, I'll come to you a second,
but this is very much Carrie's tactic. What's your view
if Tory gets in come this election? So I mean
what I'm saying. So I've come out and said, if
she gets in again, you go for it. You build
whatever you want to build, because that's you've got the bat.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
I heard of being interviewed, and that's what she said.
She's taking her mayoralty on starting this project. And she
gets re elected, she'll complete it. But if she doesn't
get re elected and other people stand on something else,
it's very hard to are undo the amount of money
that will be going into that intersection, and it's too late.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
You can always undo things, but it costs sometimes more
to undo than it does. I heard a number recently
Island Bay, let's go through it. They did what they've
done in Thornton Gee, they stopped it, they started again,
they took it away, they put back something twenty million
was spent on that. The cycle ways and the bus
lanes and the road in Island Bay. That's the number
(21:36):
that it costs to fix and unfixed stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Wayne Guppy, what do you tell the person the husband
and wife team family that have retired and lived in
Newtown or Island Bay or Kilbernie anywhere around the Wellington
region that are really struggling to pay their rates bill
and the council's doing stuff like this, what do you
say to them?
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well, I mean it's difficult forever, but the fact of
the matter is you'd want them to be the council
will be saying, hey, it's got stop. There's no question
about that. I mean, as you curiously, there's been a
big waste of money and you've got to think back that.
I mean, these sort of projects have been on the
books for must be ten ten years. That started talking
(22:18):
about the decks, get Willington moving, and then there's been
piecemeal bits of you know, parts of this and parts
of that, and it really hasn't helped. And it's and
it's hurting Wellington.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Do you feel it from from where you are? Can
you see what's going on from where you are?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
And Uppert absolutely.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I mean you've got to remember a large percentage of
spend a lot of time in the city and come
to work here and and look, I always said, when
Wellington's humming, the region's humming.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
And you can certainly feel it in Courtney Place. So Nick,
I know that you will personally be feeling it. I've
had well won ble of meetings this week. Well I'm
talking now about hospitality and retail business and Courtney Place.
I heard an officer yesterday saying, but people will still
be able to access it, they'll better walk there. The
reality is, if you're coming in from Kroy to spend
a night in town and you know this can instruction
(23:06):
happening in Courtney Place, I don't think I'll go to
Cuba Street or I'll go to the Hut. So they
may well still out access things on public transport and walking,
but they'll make the decision not to come. And that
is critical for businesses in Courtney Place.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I keep thinking that in the middle of the night
here and you know what I think. I think maybe
they'll want to come into Courtney Place to see what's
going on for the development. I mean, I've got to
look at the sony side, don't I all right.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Well that's during the day, but I know I'd come
in at night to look at the construction.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I'm sorry, but remember what will happened to the people
out in the in the Hut Valley and the people
in the Cabny Coast and Piru. They'll get messed to
say it's chaos in town.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Don't and go yeah, it's even like that. I mean,
I feel for the guy that owns a New World
supermarket in running. I mean you go cross there now
and there's no cars park in the car park. You
imagine what his business is costing. And will that water
stuff's going on? News Talk said, be wanting to morning.
Carrie's trying to be my doctor at the moment.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
So that's all right, she said, at least I'm not
trying to be your midwife.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Well, you did deliver of Cooper out there. We keep
telling everybody that it's the most famous person you delivered
Adam Cooper. We keep telling him carry's senior naked.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
I've had to talk to him about that.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well you're telling them.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I'm not saying anything on you.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
We're not talking about things specifically, are we hopefully we're not. Well,
let's get back to face off. K Dane, Kerrey Predagast
and Wayne Guffy Super annuation? Do you get a super?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Of course?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Guppy, do you get a super?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yep? Do you need it?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Well, there's no question that we're in a situation in
Zilla and where there's got to be a discussion. Absolutely
no question about risk and whether it be changing the
age or whether it be means testing. But as a
country we've got to be mature enough to know that
in the next twenty thirty years we can't sustain it.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
It's not even twenty or thirty years. By twenty thirty,
twenty percent of us will be over sixty five, so
that's not many people left to fund it. So it's
not affordable. It should be means tested and the age race.
And I remember the days you will he's too young
when Muldoon stopped that compulsory Just.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
We just want to tell our listeners. You're looking at wait,
don't she's not looking She's looking at Wade and saying
I'm too young. Yeah, but I'm talking out listeners don't.
I'm thinking he's looking at Nick. It wags under the
Then I just want to clarify it.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
I just want to be able to stop the compulsory
pension fund. Do you imagine if he hadn't stopped it,
what the value of that would have been now? And
it would have been and we would have been enjoying
the interest payments as our super Now unfortunately there isn't
and it's just not affordable as a country.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
But you see, those are the short term political decisions
to get made, and that suicide not for the good
of the country. And we're at that point again. I
mean there's no there's no maybe shell it's as a
country we have to.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Did you know when the sixty five was set, the
life expectancy for a male in New Zealand was sixty
seven and a female was seventy one. Now they're both
over eighty, So I mean, why are we so upset
about changing?
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Yeah, well, all of our parents. We know when the
men retired at sixty they didn't live very long and
women lived a bit longer, slightly healthier lifestyle. But now
we're living much longer and there's more of us.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
So what do we do means test and raise the
age sixty seven or sixty seventy.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Look, you'd have to there'd be modelers and actuaries. Ha'd
work out what was affordable. But it has to be
there has to be a community discussion. I do agree
it should be means tested, otherwise it won't be affordable.
It's not just raising the age. It has to go
to the people who need it most.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Right. A fun story that we did this week that
I want to get the review on it from you guys.
Hit shiking now, I can't imagine either of you ever
hitchhiking in your life. Have either of you hitchhike?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
No, I have once. Have you did it once? I did?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Super up?
Speaker 4 (27:14):
No, No, it was long before I was didn't marry that.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
A friend and friend and I wanted to hitchhike to
a friend's a mate's party at Wike and I from
Upper Hut and it took us so long I could
have walked.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
They get to come back into the sunny to turn
around and go back up, and.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I never did it again.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
My mate fifty years later, still says people never hitchhike
with guppy because no one will pick you up.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, it's a bad story because that's a guy in
Hawkspace getting his teaching his kids to hitchhikee because there's
no school bus anymore. Would you, either of you, I'll
go to you first care. Would you pick up a hitchhiker?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I would if they were young and a female. It
was just me in the Carrick was in the Rex
was in the car. I might look at someone who
was well dressed with a pack looking like they were
desperate for are right, I'd be a bit nervous taking
a man on my own, And there's been examples of
what happens when some woman have done that.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Wayne Guppy, would you pick up a No?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Unfortunately, the will we live in todays, you know it's
not as safe it used to be. And you know
from Kerry saying, you know I might pick up someone
who's maybe will dressed. I mean you go to pick
them up, you don't know who's sitting or hiding behind
a bush down the road.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
So yeah, sadly that's the world we live in. And no,
I wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Picking Can I repeat her dad joke that Ethan gave
me about hitchhikers? This guy picks up a hitchhiker and
the hitchhiker and they're driving along and the hitchhiker looks
a him and says, how do you know that I'm
not a mass murderer to the driver, And the driver
looked at him and says, what's the chances of two
mass murderers in the same car?
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Good response?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
The serial killers was actually not mass murderers. What's the
difference between a mass murder and a serial killer?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
One does it in one go and one does it
over a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I'm not sure, Christ, just very very quickly. EV's right.
The country's most popular EV Tesla have had their sales
in Australia, New Zealand absolutely tumble another. Evs are exactly
the same that you know, they're not selling like they
used to carry. You used to I don't know whether
(29:31):
you still do, but you used to drive an EV.
We've got a it's a novelty.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
We've got a series three Tesla. Rex loves them. It's
our second one. He wants to get a new one.
I understand that the drop off is due to both
the road user chargers and the removal of the EV grant.
The reality is it's still cheaper we've done the work,
it's still cheaper to use. My biggest problem with them,
(29:55):
apart from range anxiety, which I get a lot of,
is the reality is that you can't say they're environmentally
friendly because the cost of digging lithium out of the
two or three places in the world where where it's
found naturally is massive and they still haven't worked out
where they're going to put it, so it's not an
environmentally friendly option.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Resale people have woken up to that.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I think that if you like the propaganda and the
advertisement went on early on, plus the incentive, people now
realizing that actually it's not it's not what they tell
us about really, and they start thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
So the environments not the great winner.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
It is quite nice when you put your foot down
and it just takes off.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And the road anxiety is if you get that the
program is actually okay because you're just programming into your current.
It tells you where the next one and so it's
not quite as bad.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
The Friday fast.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Okay, But you've got to go first because if I
have to cut carry off because the timing, I can
just cut her off. I would you know, you go first,
your hots and knots.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Please look, I know he's unorthodox, but four weeks and.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
There's been a lot of action. I'll go with President
Trump whether you like him or not. The fact of
a matter is what you see and what's happening. He's
he's doing things, and so for me it's as I said,
he's unorthodox and people might look like it, but he's
doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Can I remind you it's election year and you're standing
when you stayed stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
At this time of year, you're running out of time.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And is really the debarkle with the Cook Islands?
Speaker 3 (31:22):
I mean, it's an issue for New Zealand, it's an
issue for the Pacific, and it's going to be an
issue between eventually our relationship with the US and China.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
So it's big.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Problems for absolutely. Carry predas what's your hot, Well, my.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Het is how fantastic the weather is. But yesterday I
went in or the last couple of nights into for
a swim and it is freezing. I've just come back
from Tapo and it is warmer in Lake Tauerpo than
it is in Oriento Bay. What's not first? My first
not hot is his view on Trump. So we're going
to have to have a whole debate on that. That
was a shock. That would take me forever to talk
(31:57):
about that. And I can't believe when they're doing these
this is my real knot when they're doing these huge projects,
why they can't do two shifts like Wakefield Street. Why
aren't they working two shifts? Reree this health and safety?
So maybe not at night although they have these big lights,
Why aren't they doing two and ideally three shifts?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Get Can I tell you that my other office is
in Blair Street and that noise no one would sleep?
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Okay, so two shifts?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Okay? Yes? And it is it is it's your water
people doing it, doesn't it's what Wellington Water.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Yes, I know they have to do it, but why
can't they do it in two shifts instead of one?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You're on that board, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
You'll have a different opinion. If they were doing the
works outside of her house in Oriental Bay.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I should tell us there definitely would Thank carry pretagas way, Guppy,
you know what. It's lovely to see you both.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Thank you. Nice to see you too. You're looking good
despite your lump.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
It's in the wrong place.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
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