December 12, 2024 • 12 mins
The Blackcaps take on England in Hamilton in the third test - a dead-rubber after a dismal performance by the home team over the first two tests. What went wrong for the Blackcaps?
Also, the Breakers have suffered five losses in a row, including in Wellington last Saturday night. What's going wrong for the team?
Weekend Sport host Jason Pine and All Sport Breakfast host Adam Cooper joined Nick Mills.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk Set B. It's the Friday Sport kickoff
with the Glass Shop servicing Wellington for over forty years.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Time to talk sport. It's Friday, It's that time of
the day. Joining us for Friday Sports Kickoff this weekend
is Weekend Sports host Jason pine Good Morning Piney, Hello Nick,
and all Sports Breakfast host Adam Cooper Piney Morning. Adam.
Piney's coming from us from the Phoenix training. So he
sounds a little bit far away.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
He is.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
He's an upper hut and he is keeping an eye
on the Phoenix and make sure everything's all right out there.
We'll get to that in a minute. Guys, black Caps
lose the Test series to England. Didn't lose, it got
absolutely smashed one final Test in Hamilton. Come to you first, Pioney.
Is it worth playing? I mean, of course it's worth playing.
And are we disappointed? Of course we are.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah. Two good questions, two good answers from you, Nick.
Look are we disappointed, Yes we are. I think after
what happened in India where the black Caps achieved something
no other team had ever done, sweeping India. In India,
I think hopes were really high coming back here that
that would carry on and it simply hasn't you know,
They've been completely outplayed across two Test matches by an
(01:34):
England team that came here, and they came as advertised.
We all know how they play under Brendan McCallum, with
a positivity and an intent that we just haven't been
able to match unfortunately. I think it is very, very
important that New Zealand finished well in this series. You
can say it's a dead rather doesn't mean anything all
of those sorts of things. But this is the last
(01:55):
Test match New Zealand will play before the middle of
next year, and I just think they really owe it
to themselves and to New Zealand cricket fans to put
up a much better shah Iving and Hamilton over the
next five days than they did in christ You autore
here in Wellington.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Adam Cooper, I'm going to be watching the game because
I actually want to see I don't think we get
too many more opportunities to see one of the great
cricketers of world cricket, Joe root Bat, so I'm going
to be watching it to see him bat. I'm going
to see, you know, came William some bat. I want
to see some cricket. Am I going to get to
see it?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Oh? I think so. I mean, we saw some good
cricket from from England at the basin over the three
days of action we got I thought, you know, from
a neutral cricket observer's point of view, I thought, you know,
what we saw from from the likes of Joe Route
and several others in that England team. You know, there
were some some great scores from the likes of himself,
Harry Brook who's been a sensation being duck at Jacob
(02:48):
be Ethel. You know, we've seen some pretty good cricket
from mainly from England's but we would have actually been
counting the Black Caps I think, you know more, you know,
given them more praise had they caught a few more
of those catches as well. So they've certainly lost this
series as much as England have won it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
But that was the first Test. In the second Test,
you know, we just weren't even in it.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Well we still drop catches. Yeah, So it's been you know,
just just disappointing overall. And as Piney said, there was
just so much excitement for this team to come home
play only three tests the whole summer pre Christmas, after
the triumph in India, and it's it's kind of fallen
flat of it and has certainly triggered a few discussions
around the direction of this team. You know, with some
(03:29):
players there, you know, take away Tim Sally who's moving on,
But especially in that batting line up, some players where
there are a few questions being asked, well.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
This was superstars that aren't performing. It's quite simple, isn't it, Pony.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, Look, I don't think anybody will look back on
the first two Test matches from a New Zealand point
of view and be proud of what they have produced.
There have been some good pockets and you talk about
that based on reserve test Nick, You know, I least
not forget that a week ago when that Test started,
England were forty for four. Yeah, you know after the
first hour we were in I mean New Zealand started
(04:03):
really well in that Test match, won the TOSK got
England and they were forty for four. You know, to
then get to a point where, you know, only the
matter of a couple of days later, we were so
far behind in the Test match that it wasn't funny,
was just again it's it's an illustration of what Test
cricket has become and I feel like we're being left
(04:24):
behind a little bit in this. You look at the
way that England played their Test cricket and yes Brenda
McCullum has been a big part of this, but they
advanced Test matches so quickly that it got to the
point at the end of I don't think the Test
was even half way through and they still had two
and a half days to bowl us out and we
needed to get five hundred, you know, I mean a
(04:44):
Test match never used to advance that quickly before England
started playing this way under Brenda McCallum. For me, I look,
this is we're coming to the end of a World
Test Championship cycle. We know that we're not going to
be in the World Test Championship final these This could
possibly be the last Test for Goary Stead as well.
His contract is up at the end of the current
(05:05):
summer and I would be very surprised if they went
around again with Gary Stead. I think he's been at
times very very good and has led New Zealand to
a period of real success across his tenure, including the
World Test Championship. But I really believe now it's time
to look to the future, look for the next coach
of the black Caps, and perhaps look at a different
(05:26):
way of playing repall cricket, in particular troops.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
David Gower and English Great was on the show saying
that he said that Test crickets changing and England are
at the forefront of it. He's right, isn't he? I mean,
and in Piney was one hundred percent right. But I
always had a tear in my od when he said
were forty for four. They were forty for four and
then the Test match was lost in three days when
you had the advantage like that.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, it just shows how England just have this forceful
attitude to wanting to win that they're not there to
you know, just you know, fly on the boundary for
a few days, you know, just to spend it at
a time and you know, in the field and happily
popping for lunch then you know, and then when they're
in the into bat there they're not happy just scoring one,
two and over. They want to get the job done
(06:10):
and play very quick and it's a it's a it
is setting the standard, as Party said, and we are
we've run out of ideas, I think at this very
moment to keep up with them.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think I think the future is really exciting for
Test cricket. If it does go down this path, I
reckon it really does become a sensational sport. Again.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I was everyone the same time, and I was talking
to someone at the basin last week who's been going
to cricket for forty years in Wellington. They said they
can ever remember a time when the basin has sold
out for the first three days of a Test, you know,
in history, and you're getting so many people through the gates.
It happened when Australia were here as well. So it
is a marketable game still and I think it's only
being helped by it by the way the likes of
(06:51):
England are playing.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I don't think there's any question about that Party.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You No, not at all. I mean, that's my favorite
kind of cricket. But then I know I'm not in
the majority. But if we're you know, all sports at
the moment is at a battle for eyeballs. Every single
sport is in a battle for eyeballs and people's discretionary dollar,
and people are not going to tolerate a game where
it just meander's alone. Where As Coop said, people just
(07:16):
sort of, you know, let the game drift. England always
are looking to do something to advance the match, and
I think in the battle for sponsorship, dollars, eyeballs, broadcasting,
all that stuff, test cricket simply has to move forward.
And I just feel as though New Zealand at the
moment are not on that bandwagon. They're letting test cricket
(07:39):
happen around them rather than making test cricket happen.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Great point, Piney, I know you've just been to the
Phoenix final training. They're back home after their derby loss
to Auckland. Last thing we spoke about with football as
you walking out of the studio flying up to Auckland
telling me and Coops that Phoenix gonna win one nil.
They're hosting MacArthur at Sky Stadium tomorrow night. How do
(08:02):
they get back on the winning circle? And is the
gulf between them two quis Again, I won't give you
the answers for them. It's the golf between them and
Auckland becoming greater.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
No, I don't I don't think if you are well,
if you ask after the coach, he doesn't think there
is a golf between the two sides. The result, if
you're talking Wellington and Auckland, the results would suggest otherwise.
And Auckland have had two good ones over the Phoenix.
Those are the only two matches the Phoenix have lost
in their first six games. Obviously, I think it's it's
probably quite a good thing for Wellington that they have
(08:33):
with a breathing space from Auckland now don't play them
again until back end of February. I think, you know,
it's a it's a it's a good thing for both
these two teams now to get on with things and
to try and you know, concentrate on themselves for a
little while. I don't think there'll be too much of
a problem bouncing back tomorrow, you know in the Sunshine
(08:54):
and Wellington we hope back home against the MacArthur team
that you that the Phoenix typically do pretty well against.
I think you'll you'll see them win the game and
you know, and and sort of carry on. They've had
a you know, they have had as good at a
time of things as they did last season. But I
think the raw materials are there to suggest that Wellington
will still be in and around the playoff positions at
(09:14):
the back end of the regular season.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Coops, will you be putting a couple of bucks on
Phoenix to beat MacArthur to morrow?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I mean, there's certainly a chance. I'd say it's probably
a wise bet. You know, as Pinney said, the record
against them as well. MacArthur a fair few places behind
the Phoenix on the table, and I think the Phoenix
they just have been really motivated and buoyed by the
disappointment from the losses to Auckland. They were, you know,
really just so relentless about their attitude heading into that
(09:39):
derby last weekend and very disappointing from their perspective, especially
that first goal, which sort of was an own goal
that they fell short and were you know, made fun
of by the crowd and the fans up there in Auckland.
You know, it's but I've got to say, goodness me,
this rivalry is like nothing we would have expected. Two
games in. It was incredible when it was here, you know,
four or five weeks ago. Those scenes on the TV
(10:02):
and Piney was up there commentating, just remarkable for domestic football,
and I don't think it's it's I just think it's
I don't think anyone could have quite predicted the level
it's got to and just how I think really fierce
the rivalry is on so many levels, players support, star fans.
It's it's incredible stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And if it started like that, it's only going to
get bigger. It's not going to get small, is it?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Fifth straight loss for the Breakers last night, I started
watching the game. I'm sorry I had to turn it
off at halftime. I knew that it wasn't looking good.
Adam Cooper, you know you're a bit of a Breakers guy.
You've used to live in Auckland and watched the Breakers.
What are your thoughts? Just continued questions. I think around
that this move they made Nick five games ago, and
(10:46):
five games on from making that move, bringing in the
high profile Taco fall, they've fallen.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
They it's the full guy. It's the full guy, and
you know everyone else is falling around him too, and
it's just been been really concerning. I will say though,
that everyone that I've spoken to that was there on
Saturday night at tesB Arena thought it was absolutely fantastic.
The arena that was transformed into you know, a breakers
home game, break his home game and arena that's you know,
I came to one of the tops at the basketball
(11:13):
leagues in the world and had a fantastic time. But jeez,
they're gonna have to pull finger quickly.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Pioneer your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, I can't add anything. Really, they're in a slump,
you know, And you're right, it's it's hard not to
correlate what's happened with the decision to bring Taco fall
in and for Terry Copen, and the coach has been
very vocal and saying this was not my core. This
was a call made by the owners of the basketball club.
And when that's happening, when a coach has given a
player and has a player taken away against his will,
(11:42):
then it's always, like Bobby, a little bit clunky, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Can I tell you both in all our listeners that
I think this coach is real. I think he'll end
up either being in the NBA or in the big legs,
the really big million dollar a year legs in Europe.
So there, I'll give you a prediction. I love giving predictions.
I think he's real. I think the slump's got nothing
to do with the coaching. I think it's got all
to do with the personnel and injuries. But always great
(12:06):
to talk to you guys. Always good to get our
listeners some information going into the sports. Sporting Weekend Jason
Pine Weekend sports host and All Sports Breakfast host Adam Cooper,
thank you both very very much. Catch you on the rebound.
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from News Talk Set B. It's the Friday Sport kickoff
with the Glass Shop servicing Wellington for over forty years.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Time to talk sport. It's Friday, It's that time of
the day. Joining us for Friday Sports Kickoff this weekend
is Weekend Sports host Jason pine Good Morning Piney, Hello Nick,
and all Sports Breakfast host Adam Cooper Piney Morning. Adam.
Piney's coming from us from the Phoenix training. So he
sounds a little bit far away.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
He is.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
He's an upper hut and he is keeping an eye
on the Phoenix and make sure everything's all right out there.
We'll get to that in a minute. Guys, black Caps
lose the Test series to England. Didn't lose, it got
absolutely smashed one final Test in Hamilton. Come to you first, Pioney.
Is it worth playing? I mean, of course it's worth playing.
And are we disappointed? Of course we are.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah. Two good questions, two good answers from you, Nick.
Look are we disappointed, Yes we are. I think after
what happened in India where the black Caps achieved something
no other team had ever done, sweeping India. In India,
I think hopes were really high coming back here that
that would carry on and it simply hasn't you know,
They've been completely outplayed across two Test matches by an
(01:34):
England team that came here, and they came as advertised.
We all know how they play under Brendan McCallum, with
a positivity and an intent that we just haven't been
able to match unfortunately. I think it is very, very
important that New Zealand finished well in this series. You
can say it's a dead rather doesn't mean anything all
of those sorts of things. But this is the last
(01:55):
Test match New Zealand will play before the middle of
next year, and I just think they really owe it
to themselves and to New Zealand cricket fans to put
up a much better shah Iving and Hamilton over the
next five days than they did in christ You autore
here in Wellington.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Adam Cooper, I'm going to be watching the game because
I actually want to see I don't think we get
too many more opportunities to see one of the great
cricketers of world cricket, Joe root Bat, so I'm going
to be watching it to see him bat. I'm going
to see, you know, came William some bat. I want
to see some cricket. Am I going to get to
see it?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Oh? I think so. I mean, we saw some good
cricket from from England at the basin over the three
days of action we got I thought, you know, from
a neutral cricket observer's point of view, I thought, you know,
what we saw from from the likes of Joe Route
and several others in that England team. You know, there
were some some great scores from the likes of himself,
Harry Brook who's been a sensation being duck at Jacob
(02:48):
be Ethel. You know, we've seen some pretty good cricket
from mainly from England's but we would have actually been
counting the Black Caps I think, you know more, you know,
given them more praise had they caught a few more
of those catches as well. So they've certainly lost this
series as much as England have won it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
But that was the first Test. In the second Test,
you know, we just weren't even in it.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Well we still drop catches. Yeah, So it's been you know,
just just disappointing overall. And as Piney said, there was
just so much excitement for this team to come home
play only three tests the whole summer pre Christmas, after
the triumph in India, and it's it's kind of fallen
flat of it and has certainly triggered a few discussions
around the direction of this team. You know, with some
(03:29):
players there, you know, take away Tim Sally who's moving on,
But especially in that batting line up, some players where
there are a few questions being asked, well.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
This was superstars that aren't performing. It's quite simple, isn't it, Pony.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, Look, I don't think anybody will look back on
the first two Test matches from a New Zealand point
of view and be proud of what they have produced.
There have been some good pockets and you talk about
that based on reserve test Nick, You know, I least
not forget that a week ago when that Test started,
England were forty for four. Yeah, you know after the
first hour we were in I mean New Zealand started
(04:03):
really well in that Test match, won the TOSK got
England and they were forty for four. You know, to
then get to a point where, you know, only the
matter of a couple of days later, we were so
far behind in the Test match that it wasn't funny,
was just again it's it's an illustration of what Test
cricket has become and I feel like we're being left
(04:24):
behind a little bit in this. You look at the
way that England played their Test cricket and yes Brenda
McCullum has been a big part of this, but they
advanced Test matches so quickly that it got to the
point at the end of I don't think the Test
was even half way through and they still had two
and a half days to bowl us out and we
needed to get five hundred, you know, I mean a
(04:44):
Test match never used to advance that quickly before England
started playing this way under Brenda McCallum. For me, I look,
this is we're coming to the end of a World
Test Championship cycle. We know that we're not going to
be in the World Test Championship final these This could
possibly be the last Test for Goary Stead as well.
His contract is up at the end of the current
(05:05):
summer and I would be very surprised if they went
around again with Gary Stead. I think he's been at
times very very good and has led New Zealand to
a period of real success across his tenure, including the
World Test Championship. But I really believe now it's time
to look to the future, look for the next coach
of the black Caps, and perhaps look at a different
(05:26):
way of playing repall cricket, in particular troops.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
David Gower and English Great was on the show saying
that he said that Test crickets changing and England are
at the forefront of it. He's right, isn't he? I mean,
and in Piney was one hundred percent right. But I
always had a tear in my od when he said
were forty for four. They were forty for four and
then the Test match was lost in three days when
you had the advantage like that.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, it just shows how England just have this forceful
attitude to wanting to win that they're not there to
you know, just you know, fly on the boundary for
a few days, you know, just to spend it at
a time and you know, in the field and happily
popping for lunch then you know, and then when they're
in the into bat there they're not happy just scoring one,
two and over. They want to get the job done
(06:10):
and play very quick and it's a it's a it
is setting the standard, as Party said, and we are
we've run out of ideas, I think at this very
moment to keep up with them.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think I think the future is really exciting for
Test cricket. If it does go down this path, I
reckon it really does become a sensational sport. Again.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I was everyone the same time, and I was talking
to someone at the basin last week who's been going
to cricket for forty years in Wellington. They said they
can ever remember a time when the basin has sold
out for the first three days of a Test, you know,
in history, and you're getting so many people through the gates.
It happened when Australia were here as well. So it
is a marketable game still and I think it's only
being helped by it by the way the likes of
(06:51):
England are playing.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I don't think there's any question about that Party.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You No, not at all. I mean, that's my favorite
kind of cricket. But then I know I'm not in
the majority. But if we're you know, all sports at
the moment is at a battle for eyeballs. Every single
sport is in a battle for eyeballs and people's discretionary dollar,
and people are not going to tolerate a game where
it just meander's alone. Where As Coop said, people just
(07:16):
sort of, you know, let the game drift. England always
are looking to do something to advance the match, and
I think in the battle for sponsorship, dollars, eyeballs, broadcasting,
all that stuff, test cricket simply has to move forward.
And I just feel as though New Zealand at the
moment are not on that bandwagon. They're letting test cricket
(07:39):
happen around them rather than making test cricket happen.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Great point, Piney, I know you've just been to the
Phoenix final training. They're back home after their derby loss
to Auckland. Last thing we spoke about with football as
you walking out of the studio flying up to Auckland
telling me and Coops that Phoenix gonna win one nil.
They're hosting MacArthur at Sky Stadium tomorrow night. How do
(08:02):
they get back on the winning circle? And is the
gulf between them two quis Again, I won't give you
the answers for them. It's the golf between them and
Auckland becoming greater.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
No, I don't I don't think if you are well,
if you ask after the coach, he doesn't think there
is a golf between the two sides. The result, if
you're talking Wellington and Auckland, the results would suggest otherwise.
And Auckland have had two good ones over the Phoenix.
Those are the only two matches the Phoenix have lost
in their first six games. Obviously, I think it's it's
probably quite a good thing for Wellington that they have
(08:33):
with a breathing space from Auckland now don't play them
again until back end of February. I think, you know,
it's a it's a it's a good thing for both
these two teams now to get on with things and
to try and you know, concentrate on themselves for a
little while. I don't think there'll be too much of
a problem bouncing back tomorrow, you know in the Sunshine
(08:54):
and Wellington we hope back home against the MacArthur team
that you that the Phoenix typically do pretty well against.
I think you'll you'll see them win the game and
you know, and and sort of carry on. They've had
a you know, they have had as good at a
time of things as they did last season. But I
think the raw materials are there to suggest that Wellington
will still be in and around the playoff positions at
(09:14):
the back end of the regular season.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Coops, will you be putting a couple of bucks on
Phoenix to beat MacArthur to morrow?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I mean, there's certainly a chance. I'd say it's probably
a wise bet. You know, as Pinney said, the record
against them as well. MacArthur a fair few places behind
the Phoenix on the table, and I think the Phoenix
they just have been really motivated and buoyed by the
disappointment from the losses to Auckland. They were, you know,
really just so relentless about their attitude heading into that
(09:39):
derby last weekend and very disappointing from their perspective, especially
that first goal, which sort of was an own goal
that they fell short and were you know, made fun
of by the crowd and the fans up there in Auckland.
You know, it's but I've got to say, goodness me,
this rivalry is like nothing we would have expected. Two
games in. It was incredible when it was here, you know,
four or five weeks ago. Those scenes on the TV
(10:02):
and Piney was up there commentating, just remarkable for domestic football,
and I don't think it's it's I just think it's
I don't think anyone could have quite predicted the level
it's got to and just how I think really fierce
the rivalry is on so many levels, players support, star fans.
It's it's incredible stuff.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And if it started like that, it's only going to
get bigger. It's not going to get small, is it?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Fifth straight loss for the Breakers last night, I started
watching the game. I'm sorry I had to turn it
off at halftime. I knew that it wasn't looking good.
Adam Cooper, you know you're a bit of a Breakers guy.
You've used to live in Auckland and watched the Breakers.
What are your thoughts? Just continued questions. I think around
that this move they made Nick five games ago, and
(10:46):
five games on from making that move, bringing in the
high profile Taco fall, they've fallen.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
They it's the full guy. It's the full guy, and
you know everyone else is falling around him too, and
it's just been been really concerning. I will say though,
that everyone that I've spoken to that was there on
Saturday night at tesB Arena thought it was absolutely fantastic.
The arena that was transformed into you know, a breakers
home game, break his home game and arena that's you know,
I came to one of the tops at the basketball
(11:13):
leagues in the world and had a fantastic time. But jeez,
they're gonna have to pull finger quickly.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Pioneer your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, I can't add anything. Really, they're in a slump,
you know, And you're right, it's it's hard not to
correlate what's happened with the decision to bring Taco fall
in and for Terry Copen, and the coach has been
very vocal and saying this was not my core. This
was a call made by the owners of the basketball club.
And when that's happening, when a coach has given a
player and has a player taken away against his will,
(11:42):
then it's always, like Bobby, a little bit clunky, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Can I tell you both in all our listeners that
I think this coach is real. I think he'll end
up either being in the NBA or in the big legs,
the really big million dollar a year legs in Europe.
So there, I'll give you a prediction. I love giving predictions.
I think he's real. I think the slump's got nothing
to do with the coaching. I think it's got all
to do with the personnel and injuries. But always great
(12:06):
to talk to you guys. Always good to get our
listeners some information going into the sports. Sporting Weekend Jason
Pine Weekend sports host and All Sports Breakfast host Adam Cooper,
thank you both very very much. Catch you on the rebound.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
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