Ben Shapiro Knows Less About Sex Than An Amoeba

We continue dissecting Ben's unspeakably shoddy book about sex.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Uh, do do do? Sophie? Is that an introduction? I
mean it is because you did it so well. Welcome
to America. And also the podcasts, Robert, what what I

(00:23):
feel like you're from. I feel like you're turning from
podcast Daddy into podcast uncle. And the vibes are just
a few like do did he do do? And then
again it's like and also if you look at him,
his nose is all pink right now. Yeah, is huge

(00:44):
uncle vibes. Thank you, thank you. We are back and
we're going to be talking today as we did one
of the last times. We talked about Ben Shapiro's two
thousand and thirteen book Porn Generation, how liberalism is corrupt
in our future. Yeah, we're back when we're dryer than ever. Yeah.

(01:07):
Where are we are boned? Right now? Sophia. Obviously, because
I returned the kindle edition of Ben's book last time,
I had to go get it again, and as I
was typing into Google, I mistyped the title because it's
Porn Generation. I typed generation sex into the title, and
lo and behold, I got a result four A beIN

(01:27):
Shapiro book from two thousand and five. Now, when I
look at it, on Amazon's called Generation Sex Explode, exposing
the full frontal assault on American innocence. I, um, you know,
the only thing, the only person that knows less about

(01:51):
pleasing a woman than present day adult Ben Shapiro is
sixteen year old past yeah, yeah, fucking child Ben Shapiro. Well,
I don't know how when I look forward to finding
out how he hedgehogged a bunch of ladies services while fingering,
because you not know how to fucking curve his fingers,

(02:15):
so he would have been what one would have been,
twenty one year old Ben Shapiro. Don't trust him, don't
don't let him near anywhere near revolva. What are you doing?
Certainly not? Um, I don't want him exposing anything of himself.
But he published this apparently in two thousand five. It's
three to twenty pages, published by Thomas Nelson, Inc. Amazon

(02:37):
says that there was only a hardcover available and the
book is currently unavailable. They don't know when it will
be back in stock. If you haunted on eBay, if
you have a copy or find a copy of Ben
Shapiro's two thousand five book, Generation Sex. Sophia and I
and I think we can speak for Cody Johnston in
this would would very much appreciate getting our hands on

(02:59):
that little bastard um the you mean, Ben Shapiro, we
mean no, we mean I do want to read the
good Reads summary of this book because I found that
so let's let's let's dive in American society, according to

(03:20):
Ben Shapiro, is a sex machine. From movies to sitcom's
rap to rock teen mags to porno rags, American culture
has become a pusher of promiscuity and perversion, and in
this sharp, audacious, fearless book, Shapiro, the most prominent young
conservative in the nation, reveals the gross over sexualization of
our society and how it targets youth culture from early

(03:41):
education or rather indoctrine nation, to the disastrous world of
sex lust and immorality that pervades our high schools, colleges,
and beyond. By clearly identifying the problems many unnotice or
ignored of an out of control MTV culture, overly sexual
ad campaigns, and an overly permissive mainstream media, Shapiro illustrates

(04:02):
the dangers and devastating consequences a waiting today's kids, who
are in essence being sexually assaulted on a daily basis.
Shapiro also provides real, solid, and often drastic solutions for
what we can and must do to stop the corruption
of America's youth. God damn, I'm sorry sexually assaulted. That

(04:23):
is deranged, among other things. How out of touch do
you have to be in two thousand five to think
that MTV is a major force in youth culture? Again
two thousand and five, I remember too, I was in
high school in two thousand five. I don't know anybody
who watched MTV except for like my gin x cousins. Okay,

(04:48):
I was in college. That hurts, But the point is, yes,
that's yes, simply out of touch. And also I I
cannot imagine being more out of touch than referring to
anything as a sex machine when you're to any one
years old. I mean, and I know he was like,

(05:10):
this is a fucking killer pun Like, this is fucking sick.
Everyone's gonna want to be my best friend. It's it's
really gonna blow up my social calendar. Yeah, I mean,
And again, as we've noted, like his his premise is
as inaccurate here as it is in his two thirteen book,
Like Young Young People Are less promiscuous than previous generations

(05:32):
for a variety of reasons which we don't need to
litigate now, but the data is incredibly consistent on that point. Um.
And yeah, it's I I want to read this book. Uh.
There's something horrific to be said about the fact that
he he talks about how kids being exposed to I'm
guessing Janet Jackson's boobs at the Super Bowl, um, are

(05:55):
being sexually assaulted. Um. The fact that he considers I
don't know, everyone not wearing Puritan garb to be sexual
assault is offensive for a lot of reasons and says
a lot about Ben Shapiro's mindset. But yeah, so I
just love the life experiences, um of a man that

(06:17):
have been so sheltered and adorable that he can use
sexually assaulted phrase so liberally without thinking about it even
a little bit. Anyway, Generation sex On on good Reads
has twelve ratings, an average of two point five eight
out of five. Um, it sounds like a good book. Yeah,

(06:37):
that's a lot higher. That means someone went over to.
That does mean someone went over to. That's not good
news for us. And you read the most positive review,
please eitherre are no positive reviews that are written like
the three written reviews are cowards review of Just There.
I think a bunch of people gave it two stars

(06:59):
and Ben gave it live Like I think, I think
that's probably what happened. Realistic. Yeah, it sounds like our
old are our good lad been Shapiro. But now it's
probably time that we, uh we dive into porn generation.
We do this, we get face deep in the porn generation.

(07:20):
You think we could all get time saved. Ben Shaparrow
just admitted he was bad at sex. I mean, it's
not that he's bad at sex, it's that he's terrified
of it in in a manner that like completely to
use an old term completely, like, uh, he's he's clearly

(07:41):
deeply frightened by the idea that other people enjoy sex.
Like that's what's going on with Ben Shapiro. Um, he's
he is scared that there are people out there fucking
and enjoying it. And I think he's scared don't get it.
And the only thing to do when you don't get
something is to hate it. Yeah, Yeah, I mean he's

(08:04):
he's he's just on the edge of being of the
in cell mindset in a lot of ways, like like
he's framing it as like everybody's having all this sex
and it's like super immoral and it's it's damaging society.
And the in cell line is that like a small
number of like hyper sexual men are having sex with
all of the women, and women just want to take
all of the big chad. Like that's that's the in

(08:25):
cell line. And Bins is you know, away from that line,
but but not that far, and some of it's just
using slightly different terms. Um. And I think that also
ties into like the fear of like trans people and
queer culture in general, because like, can you imagine that
not only are people having sex and enjoying themselves, but

(08:48):
they might be doing it in a way that he
has not thought of yet. Yeah, and I think that
I'm sure if no one told him about going down
on women, he like would have never considered it. Not
that he considers it now, I mean like it just
wouldn't occur to him. I am certain that he thinks
it should be illegal to perform moral sex. Yeah, and

(09:13):
he also thinks butts should be illegal. Yeah, he definitely
thinks but should be illegal. Um. Alright, So I was
just looking into Um. One of the sources been so like,
after you remember when we were talking last time, we
kind of ended on been been talking about this young woman, Katie,
who he interviewed about sex said, who was like, yeah,
it was fine. I felt like I got good sex.

(09:34):
Said I didn't have sex until I was like, you know, nineteen,
and they broke Katie Yeah, and yeah. Ben was like, look,
I mean sure she's well adjusted and successful in doing
well at an Ivy League institution, but what other damage
could there be that we can't see? Like okay, So
he goes from like he talks about Katie and like
how like he's got this like his actual case study

(09:56):
of someone who went through this sex said He's horrified
by that, Like, yeah, you know, eventually I had sex
and it was fine, and I feel good about, you know,
healthy about where I am, and she seems to be
doing great, and so like the case study he brings
up to to point out how bad all this actually
is is a book by Tom Wolfe without a fictional
girl named Charlotte Simmons Um and I read into this.

(10:18):
We we made fun of the fact last time, just
that like he's he's arguing that like this is evidence
of how teens actually are. This book written by a
man who was in his sixties when he published this
book and two and it's also I read more about
it because it's like one of the most panned and
hated Tom wolf books. So like this book about young

(10:38):
people like nineteen year olds in two thousand and four,
written by Tom Wolfe. Everyone has a pager and the
Internet has never mentioned. Look, no one knows more about
young people than old people. Everybody, Tom wolf It's very funny. Um. So,
one of the people he brings into the source after

(10:59):
the is a khaim awitz Um who is the author
of a book called Ready or Not Why treating children
as small adults endangers their future and ours? Um and
she uh. I kind of looked into this lady a
little bit, um like by a little bit being her
Wikipedia um and I found a couple of quotes from
her articles that people have pulled out. Here's one from

(11:21):
a Wall Street Journal editorial. Marital breakdown is not rampant
across the land. It is concentrated among low income in
black couples. Americans seem to have a lot of trouble
grasping this fact, probably because so much public space is
taken up by politicians, celebrities, and journalists. With marriage on
the skids. Um. She argues that like, uh, divorces declining

(11:43):
among well educated white people, um, and that couples are
happier than ever, um, which I don't think the evidence suggests. Yeah. Um, well,
I mean the divorce rate in recent years has been declining.
It was not in two thousand. Uh, but I believe
where fewer people are getting married, yes, a lot fewer

(12:05):
people account for blessed divorced kind of um. So yeah,
he cites uh. Shortly after he's talking about Katie, he
cites Kajimowitz's book Ready or Not What Happens when we
treat children as small adults, And in that k argues
that anti culturalists are people who believe that childhood sexuality,
left on its own, free of social interference, will flourish

(12:26):
and grow in healthy ways. So like that's her attitude,
is that, like if you just let kids kind of
do what comes naturally, um and provided with information perverts, Yeah, yeah,
it's anti cultural to do that. It's anti cultural to
not try and take control of the direction of your
child sexuality and dictate it um. And then been quotes
a long passage from K's Terrible Book, drained of all

(12:49):
feeling but physical pleasure, rationalized into philo facts. Personal organizer
entries the sex given to us by this ministry is
a little more than techno fantasy. They do not see
the alternate least insecure are in grandiose, idealistic conclude perpetually
glandular teenager. Most of us know their teenager, like that
of so many other experts, is rational, self aware, and autonomous.
Information is all these kids need, they say, information and

(13:11):
some d programming to counteract society's continuing efforts to pervert
their healthy sexual natures. So now we have a nation
of teenagers who are information rich but knowledge poor. They
and their ten year old brothers and sisters, for that matter,
maybe adults when it comes to technical information. Certainly, their
putitive sophistication about sexual matters is the subject of endless
headshaking by parents in the media. But as they approach
graduation in the anti cultural school of self sufficiency, they

(13:34):
remain predictably illiterate when it comes to real human connection. Okay,
so the reason why face looks like this is because
I'm still trying to get over perpetually glandular glanduli. Yeah,
it's this idea like teens are so controlled by their
their emotions and so that you have to that you
have to parents have to have total control over them.

(13:55):
This idea that like my my parents had that like,
as your parent, it is my job to exercise total
control over you. If I think you're doing something that's
not healthy, which is bad and makes your kids not
want to talk to you for years, by the way,
if if parents happen to be here, Yeah, it's not
a great uh sign when your child is afraid to

(14:18):
tell you anything. That when you're authentic sexual development and
it is like, what it's this thing where like there's
always a germ of truth in this thing, and the
germ of truth is that, well, yeah, teenagers aren't done
developing like they're they're not adults. They shouldn't be treated
entirely as adults. They don't have the kind of impulse

(14:39):
control that we expect adults to have. But the only
way they get that kind of control and become adults
is by being given greater and greater autonomy and power
over their own lives and information to make good choices
and space to make choices and mistakes like and I
don't think I don't think Ben ever got that. I
think Ben was directed like a like a fucking missile

(15:00):
from the time he was a child by his his
family to like become this. Uh So I guess I
get why he agrees with that, but it is it's
this terror you see in Kay's book and in Ben's
book about like giving teenagers a chance to just like
be themselves and figure out who that is. That that
that to them is like not just scary but like

(15:21):
obviously abusive. Is their attitude towards just like yeah, it
can should be allowed to figure it out for themselves,
which I mean, I think is the basis of a
healthy society. I think, honestly, I think that's the as
someone has zero children. Um. I think that's the thing
that seems the hardest about having a teenager is so

(15:45):
much of their understanding is so advanced, but they're not
done developing yet. Their brain will keep changing well into
their twenties, so to treat them as full on adults
is wrong. That's why we don't date teenagers unless we're
morally corrupt. Um. And it is also why when teenagers

(16:07):
get accused of crimes. It's a different thing. Your brain
is not really able to to um make the same
decisions and understand consequences and understand priorities in the same way,
and an adult brain is that is what that is.
So I'm sure the hard thing about raising a teenager
is walking that line of like, I want you to
be safe, but also I want you to be a

(16:29):
person that learns how to make your own decisions. And
it seems like Ben thinks the safest thing is to
never let anyone make any decisions and then that way
they will learn everything they need to know. Well, actually
he thinks the safest thing is to lie to them. Well,
same thing. Yeah, it's so. He quotes Dr Drew Pinsky,

(16:52):
host of Love Line, when she says, as a pure program,
the sort of scare tactics that are used with abstinence
only education really don't seem to work. And this is
some of there's a lot of statistics backing this up.
Abstinence only education does not reduce the number of teens
fucking each other, team pregnancies, or st like. It's not good. Uh,
it's fine to tell kids that it's okay to be abstinent.

(17:13):
That's perfectly reasonable, but like abstinence only education is not
reasonable and doesn't work. And there's a lot of documentation,
so many studies that prove that, Yeah, I mean, but
Dr Drew comes across as the good guy in this
because he which Here's here's how Big responds to Dr Drew. Yes,
using scare tactics is wrong in most situations, but when

(17:37):
the subject cannot comprehend the harmful consequences of an action
not yet taken, then fears an appropriate motivator to inhibit
such an action. It's always comical to watch a parent
engage a two year old child in a socratic dialogue
about why the kid can't cross the street without an
adult present. A two year old child can't understand the
concept of death, just as a ten year old child

(17:57):
can't understand the crucial emotional loss desensitization suffered as a
result of sex without rules. Fear of consequences, whether those
consequences are spiritual or physical, is a critical component to
teaching restraint. The funk is sex without rules, sex with that.
That's because it's it's one of those things like kids
were just like naturally doing S and M without safe words,

(18:19):
because that's what it sounds like, you know, because and
perfectly I think that it is both would be both
consistent with conservatism and also in a thing that no
human being could agree with. Is if you just said
ten year old shouldn't be having sex, they're not ready
to have sex statement add percent of reasonable people agree
with that. Doesn't say that he understands they can't handle

(18:39):
sex without rules. Like it's kind of scary that he's
making that distinction, that he's like had erastic leap. Ten
year olds might be having rulest sex. I don't think
dan year old should be fucking period. Bit like what
kind of rules would make it okay them out to

(18:59):
dinner for first done by them? POKM Well, I mean,
I don't know if if this is what Ben is saying,
I think he's just a bad writer. But like one
of the obvious things that like, it's actually very easy
to marry twelve fourteen year olds as an adult in
a lot of US states, Uh if the parents agree,
and it's specifically because they were religions where that chunks
of Christianity in the US where ship like that happens,

(19:19):
where like fourteen year olds getting married off and nobody
on the right is fighting to stop it because it's
part of their culture. Um, to marry off children. It's
not like you say what you want about it. They don't.
They don't fight that ship. Um. Not that they aren't
Christians who fight that ship. But like the right as
an organized political force is making no in roads to
stop these like weird, fucking religious kind of culti marriages

(19:44):
that happen all over the fucking country. Um, it's great,
it's good ship, Sophia lucky. Oh, he brings up Katie again.
He takes a shot at He takes a shot at
our girl, Katie. How I'm sure, Katie, if you're listening,
if you're the I think Yale student who been Shapiro
interviewed about sex. First off, you did great. Second hit

(20:05):
us up. I'm really curious about how that conversation with
Ben went. Agreed, And also, way to just keep your
head about yourself, Katie, when questioned, sorry you had to
talk to Ben Shapiro about your sex life, that that
can't have been easy. Good for your mental health or
your sex life. Yeah. Uh. Social liberals also argue, as

(20:29):
Katie does, that kids will have sex sooner or later,
so it's better to prepare them for it while they're young.
This kind of cynical resignation has less to do with
realism than with promoting a certain political agenda. In reality,
social liberals abandoned determinism whatever it conflicts with their moral outlook.
They say that educating kids about cigarette use means telling
them to say no under all circumstances, instead of teaching

(20:50):
them that if they do decide the smoke, they should
use filters to minimize their health roots, Ben, how are
you gonna buy cigarettes without filth and in less? Ben
Shapiro thinks there's a shipload of third graders out there
rolling their own cigarettes. He's like the image of their
strict pal mall community. Just a bunch of kids standing

(21:12):
around the stickball pitch like one handed, rolling cigarettes, smoking
them with a fastened yards stare. I mean, America, that's
the kind of show you gotta watch out for. Yeah, yeah,
I mean when he gets coal mining legalized for children again,
there will be a lot of a lot of seven
year olds one handed rolling their cigarettes as they wait

(21:34):
to go down on the fucking elevator into the dark. Yeah,
but please don't let them have sex without rules, because
as long as they're not fucking Ben's fined with it
sex at seven. It also been telling kids to just
say no to drugs, including cigarettes, isn't a liberal thing.
That's that's all of American politics for like twenty years.

(21:57):
Republicans and Democrats were locked step up step about that shit.
Like the Democrat Joe Biden was a big part of
the whole mandatory minimum. Should you tell them you want
to pretend to me that conservatives and liberals were not
both lockstep about just say no policies, I'll call you
a fucking liar, Ben Shapiro. Ron Paul's the only guy
who gets who's I don't think falls into that on

(22:21):
the right, because whatever else you can say about him,
he was consistent on that. Um. Yeah, it's fucking wow,
Ben Um. Social liberals want to prevent children from knowing
anything about gun use instead of training children to use
firearms responsibly. Apparently kids won't use guns sooner or later
if we tell them no. Well, number one, I agree, Ben,

(22:44):
there's four hundred million guns in the country. Kids should
probably be given a little bit more instruction on like
what they are and how they work. Their basic aspects
of American life there's an argument to you made, but
most kids will never have a gun. Most Americans don't
own guns. Hundred percent of Americans own genitals, and pretty
close to a percent of American adults have sex at

(23:05):
some point. Um, there's just not like a comparison between
the two and for another thing like a gun is
a thing that you can buy, sex is a thing
that human beings kind of inherently do to make more people.
It's like, there's not comparing the two. Fundamental. Yeah, it's

(23:25):
like saying like, well, we don't teach kids how to
drive in school, but we teach them nutrition. It's like, well, yeah,
because not all kids are gonna own cars, but they'll
all eat. Like you could argue maybe we should have
something in high school that like teaches kids about car
like whatever. That's like, I'm not going to fight against it,
but like one thing is more basic than the other. Been. Um,

(23:45):
you also can't kill anybody. Well it's harder to Um, yeah,
it can be done. It can be done. Um. Most
social liberals would prefer that kids be sexualized younger so
that they can become or tolerant of deviant lifestyles and
what everyone used to acknowledge his immoral choices. The liberal

(24:05):
sexual legenda underlies the teaching of sex education, as David Campos,
author of Sex Youth and Sex Education, a reference handbook, proclaims,
to achieve a sexually healthy lifestyle, youth must acquire a
positive and comfortable attitude about sex. Franktin fact based discussions
about topics once considered heaboo or essential abortions, condoms, masturbation,
oral sex, and hoposexuality are among the topics to be

(24:27):
found in comprehensive sex education programs. Obviously that that fucking
terrifies Ben um and he responds to that by saying
Katie's statements that she can't remember any moral judgments being
made sums up today's sex education because Ben thinks that
masturbation and condoms and homosexuality and oral sex we does.
He does thank girl sex as a moral clearly, anytime

(24:48):
anyone comes, he thinks it's immoral essentially, Yeah, unless unless
you're trying to make Ben Shapiro's kids, which he only
feels a little bad about. He doesn't want you to
come then either, Yeah, he doesn't, and then the kids
are tainted forever with the sin of pleasure. Who wants that, Yeah,
you want to become joyless automaton's just like you. Yeah.

(25:10):
Oh boy. So Ben now quotes another woman. He's he's
carefull to let us know. She's a twenty three year
old black woman from Harvard Law April Cornell. Um, Wow,
you have to meet a black person for this. He
really did well, he says he did. I don't actually
know of any of these are real people. Um. But
she says being a teenager sucks. Teenagers have way more

(25:30):
choice today than they had fifty years ago. I have
way more choice than my parents did when they were
fifteen or sixteen. It never would have occurred to my
mom not to decide not to have sex or not
or decide not to use drugs. There are decisions I
had to make as opposed to this is the way
it is. I think kids are being forced into choices
they're not ready to handle. Um. Which is an interesting attitude,
I guess. But I don't uh like I think makes

(25:54):
much sense. Um. I guess I disagree with you, April,
and the statistics disagree with you too, because again, kids
are choosing to have sex less. UM. I wonder if
I can find April Cornell if she's an actual person.
She probably changed her name after her it came out
in this book. Yeah, I would want to, um, oh,

(26:14):
this may not be a real person. Um I found it.
I I typed in April Cornell Harvard because Ben let
us know that she worked at Harvard, And the only
result that came up was Harvard Crimson article about April Cornell,
which is a store that sells like New England aesthetic clothing.
Oh god, I wonder if Ben Shapira just just learned that,

(26:36):
and yeah that he knew that was like the store
in New England the Kaiser Sosa. Yeah, yeah, it's like
a store chain. Um. Oh no, And there is an
actual April Cornell who's an artist entrepreneur. She was born
in Montreal, Canada, and she's pretty white. I and I
I don't think has said any of the things been

(26:56):
but this may not be a real person. Was Ann Taylor,
and then right after her, Diane von Furstenberg. It was
that's fascinating. I wonder, like, I can't comprehensively say that
that's not a real person. But it's very funny that
when I type that into Harvard, I don't get any
kind of alumni or anything. I get, uh, the from

(27:21):
his friend Lane Bryant and also his friends Dylan, and
he quotes her next that I'm I wonder if this
is real one sec. I'm trying to dig into this now.
Um does does his friend Walmart or anything? Um? Because

(27:47):
he quotes the next after he talks to April, he
quotes Michelle McCoy her her roommate apparently or friend. And yep,
I'm not finding any any references to her as working
at Harvard at all either um or being a student
at Harvard at all either. So so nothing nothing comes
up on either of these people. I don't know that

(28:09):
I think they're real. I wonder if been made up
all of these people. I wonder if Katie's even real,
or perhaps Katie's real. And he felt like he had
to make up other Harvard students or other Ivy League
students to like make a different point, because they're saying, like,
here's what he here's the quote he puts in Michelle's mouth.
I think there's more a lot more pressure because so
many things are accepted. There's already enough pressure and teenagers

(28:31):
to be cool and social, and when you get rid
of any moral constraints that weigh upon them and makes
life a lot harder. I don't know that. I think
a person who's not been Shapiro would say that that
doesn't actually sound like a thing a person would say.
I don't know. I think that Shapiro may have invented
people for his book. I can't I can't prove that
this is This is the only way to theory. If

(28:54):
you are any of these people, if you are any
of these people, if you are Ann Taylor, you are
any of these people, please let us know, because the
funniest thing would be if Katie's real, but he just
invented these others to have a foil to her because
she was so reasonable. But you know who is having

(29:20):
a lot of sex, Sophia, purchase these goods of services.
They are these ads are about to are about to
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That's that's what That's what, that's what the products. Wait,
look closer, it's me. I'm on a canoe. I'm manning

(29:42):
the river of Come. You need a special paddle for
a come canoe. It's it's different viscosity anyway, we call
it a new Robert. I'm sorry that's merge sale, the
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how great your fans are. If someone would like to

(30:03):
draw this this come new, come on, give us a
come now, give us draw us a come new. As
you listen to these ads, who's into your your oral cavity?
Like a you know, like come here we go? Ah

(30:28):
we are bad? How's how's how's that? How's everyone doing?
You know? Thanks for checking in a lot of change
since five seconds ago. So scarred for life, It's been
a lot. We talked about coming good amount um sure did?
Oh wow? Okay, so it has been brings up this

(30:49):
narrow the National Abortions Rights Action League or whatever, um
like a campaign they carried off in the bush ears
to like um uh like order try to order a
chastity belt from George Bush um, which was I guess
some sort of campaign they were going um. And Bin's

(31:10):
response to that is the choice not to have sex
is apparently not a real choice. A real choice is
whether to use a condom or whether to get an
abortion after having unprotected sex. And like, no, Ben, it's
not the The choice not to have sex isn't a choice.
It's that saying that the only choice should be to
not have sex is not a choice. You should have
a choice to have sex or not have sex, to

(31:31):
have sex unprotected, or using a condom, to get an abortion,
or to carry a fetus to term. You should have those,
all of those choices. Every person should have all of
those choice. Don't act. I'm not saying those are the
only choices. You can come on someone's tents like, there's
a lot of choice. You can use a dental Damn,
they're harder to find than you'd think, but you can

(31:51):
use you have you can use them harder to find.
What's not it's not a real choice. Just saying to
choose abstinence, that's not a choice. That's giving someone no option.
It's just just say no is not a choice. Just
because you yourself are not a person that experiences horny nous,
which mean then I'm not judging you for it, but

(32:12):
you're judging everyone who is horny and on the behalf
of the horny and the very horny. I am very offended.
That's right, that's right. Horny action. Now, I don't know,
I think I think Look, all I'm saying is I
think grocery store should have special parking for horny people.

(32:34):
I agree, this is what horny America looks like. Yeah,
and if you park there and you're not horny, people
should give you shipped for it. What do we want
You don't love horny parking? When do we want it? Now? Hey,
you see this guy just pulled into the horny parking.
He look horny to you. No, he doesn't look like

(32:55):
he's fucked in his life. Him horny lynch mobs beating
people who are horning it up in the street. He
looks flastened to her panties are drying, hitter. He's driving
a Hyundai Sonata. No horny person ever drove a Snata?

(33:16):
Was that? Akia? Get out of here. You can absolutely
be horny and Akia, you can. I think that's the
only way you can be in that is that is
the car for fucking um. So yeah. Sex in the
classroom is the next section we are we are just
blazing through this. It's easy enough to find anecdotal evidence

(33:39):
regarding the dangers of comprehensive sex head young teens being
taught about the benefits of oral sex, masturbation, and homosexual activity,
all without parental notification. The Massachusetts Department of Health creating
a video in E. Nine explaining what to do before, during,
and after sex. That's a that's a bad thing to Ben,
just like, yeah, that there's that there's a public healthy

(34:03):
after earthquake. Sure the earthquake will take place. And it's
like he's framing this as like a decadent modern values
pushing sex, Like my grandma was like seventeen when she
got married, Like what do you been? Teenagers have been
fucking since there have been teenagers. We might as well
make sure they know the basics about what to do.

(34:24):
Like it's like if every teenager was born with a
gun grafted onto their hand, I would be like, yeah,
we definitely need to have gun training in school. They've
all got one. They can't be removed. Every teenager has
a gun permanently attached to their bodies. We should probably
treat teach them how to use it. It's kind of
like that Been, does that make sense to you? Just
comparing it to guns? Make it reasonable? Picture a gun

(34:48):
dick if you Ben, imagine the bullets are come, Ben,
can you imagine this? I mean he doesn't know how
to use guns or his dick. So it's it's true
imagine you're another human. Yeah, that's a big imagination. If
you could do that, he could not be this much

(35:09):
of a right wing piece of ship. Yeah. Oh fun,
So we get we get a little bit of history here.
Ben goes through the history of sex ed and talks
about who is initially sex hygiene, which is which is
like the first like sex ed sort of campaigns were
about like venereal diseases in particular, a lot of times
spreading among soldiers and like trying to tell people like, hey, stop,

(35:31):
here's how to not get syphilis. Right, Like that's that
is kind of where like a lot of it came. Um.
But then he he still gets it wrong, um, because
he talks about how teaching of sex hygiene was largely
incorrectly couched in moral terms. The only way to cure
the sexual evils thoroughly, the only way to dig them
up at the roots was to prescribe the same standard
of morality for a man as for a woman. Men

(35:53):
must be as chased as women, and like, no, Ben
is actually just tapping about one set. He's talking about
guys like Harvey Kellogg, who did say that we all
have to be chased, and that like you should do
everything you can to not have sexual feelings. But that's
separate from a lot of the medical history of sex education,
which while there was a moral element, it was mainly
because like, you are going to damage your body, and

(36:13):
you are, you know, a member of this society or
a soldier in this military, and it's like your responsibility
to not danger yourself, like there was anyway, it's just
been again deletes all nuance from his his recollection of
the historical record. Um, because he's a goblin. Um. Yeah,
then we uh we get onto Kinsey. I'm gonna I'm

(36:34):
gonna skip through the history stuff because I'm gonna guess
Ben gets all of it more or less that incomplete. Um.
Today's sex set experience, for most members of the porn
generation is wedded to the idea of permissiveness and tolerance
for all sorts of behaviors as inherently sexual beings. The
argument goes, our sexuality should not and cannot be contained

(36:56):
by any system of morality. Sexuality is as much a
natural characteristic is race. Oh boy, oh please please let
another ignoramus fucking talk about race. Yeah. Um, he zooms
right over this because he again he's talking about like

(37:16):
how shitty it is. Like one of the things he
strikes as being bad is that no form of sexual
expression may be condemned and all must be taught, which like, man,
I went through sex ed in the period you're writing about,
and we barely learned about like sexual intercourse. There was
no talk about blow jobs. There was no talk about
like anal sex, other than like the vague reference that

(37:38):
like a condom is always a good thing to have
if you're having sex. Like this idea that kids are
being instructed in elaborate sexual acts has like no basis
in actual sex ed programs. And not just that, but
even the knowledge we received about sexual organs was wildly
like patchy. Yeah, pat would be a good term for it,

(38:02):
you know. I mean, I don't think that most people
who went through sex said could tell you where the
fallopian tubes are, exactly how many eggs a woman has.
I can tell you because any time, let my friend
Valerie has a joke about how many eggs a woman makes,
and you can tell by only the women laughing, and
not even all of them, that men do not know

(38:25):
how many eggs women make in a lifetime. And I
know whow I'm saying this. Men are googling this right now,
and that's the should google it because it's important. Um.
The point is we don't learn enough. We don't learn enough.
My best guy friend, only a couple of years ago,
I found out he's he's forty. I just found out

(38:46):
that he doesn't. He thought that when a woman gets pregnant,
she throws up one time. That's how she knows she's pregnant,
and then she's done because of movies, because that's how
every movie lets you know that. The characters at all,
the women that he's ever heard complaining about morning sickness,

(39:06):
he thought they meant the one time they thought, oh
my god. Yeah, that's that's fascinating because that tells you
so much about like, oh so you just like weren't
around any pregnant people when you were when you were
a kid, Like yeah, I don't know. Still, it's just
completely strange. But that is how little all of us know. Yeah,

(39:29):
and it's like, I mean, men don't often know much
about their own sexual organs. It's just that thankfully operation
is generally pretty simple. Um. And uh yeah, just the
level of like basic ignorance of really important facts of
sex and of STDs of like stuff like herpies like um,

(39:51):
and how it's spread and like how common it is,
Like that's the we're terrible, like the idea like not
only has been wrong about like what kids are actually doing, um,
but he's completely off about the degree to which any
of the education that does exist is explicit because it's
barely adequate in the best of situations. Like barely adequate

(40:13):
is like the gold standard for sex said in in
most public schools. Um. And it's like it's telling because
he he knows more or less what's being taught. He
just thinks that it's obscene that like that the sixteen
year old would know at all the basic process by
which two people have sexual intercourse, or the idea that

(40:35):
anal sex is an option, Like the fact that they
know that is aborrent to him. Um, it's not a
matter of like kids being shown pornography, it's that they
should not know these are options. And it's I think
a lot of it is that like if they don't
know that it's possible to have gay sex, then been
thinks they won't be gay. Yeah exactly. Yeah, And that
if they didn't know that trans was a thing, they
wouldn't be trans Yeah. Yeah, it's the like that. That

(40:58):
is why he's so angry at kid is being taught things. Um,
because again they're not doing things. They're not doing sex
at like sexual stuff at any kind of a higher rate.
We know this, and I have to think Ben knows
this unless he's even more incompetent than I think he is,
because his real problem is that people are expressing themselves
physically in ways that make him uncomfortable because he's a

(41:21):
fucking goblin and he doesn't think that should be allowed. Um.
And you see that at the end of this segment
when he's talking about like the immorality of sex at Again,
these radical sex educators are correct in one sense. Sex
shouldn't be shameful, but just because people have natural desires
and drives doesn't legitimate those natural desires and drives in
all contexts, especially outside the context of marriage. I think

(41:50):
the sigh is something Ben shapire. Here's a lot in
the bedroom, and here section this the attack on abstinence
begins with him just being very wrong. Again, the public
policy brilliance of comprehensive sex education is it's self justifying nature.
Sex education is used skyrocketing rates of manereal disease, teen pregnancy,
and sexual Immorality is an excuse to teach its panoramic

(42:12):
view of sexuality. Unfortunately, there's a rising, rising threat looming
on the horizon for sex educators. Abstinence education. If morality
can can can somehow be infused back into sex education,
if the tolerance for all sexual activity mission may be
discarded safely. The Kinsians are out of a job. Okay,

(42:32):
I don't know what he thinks. How many jobs he
thinks are in the Kinseyan community. Yeah, it's not as
yelling about abstinence is much more lucrative. I literally know
the curator curator at the Kinsey Institute. I can tell
you there. Yeah, also shout out Rebecca. Good, good for you, Rebecca,

(42:59):
and yeah um. The social liberals claim that abstinence education
doesn't work because, of course, abstinence is impossible. Denying our
young people accurate information about sexual health will not prevent
unintended pregnancies or the spread of sexually transmitted disease diseases.
It will, however, prevent them from making responsible and informed
decisions about their health and futures, growled William Smith, Director

(43:20):
of public policy at some organization called Seekers that deals
with sex said, I love that Ben has to have
like he said, what he's saying is so reasonable, but
that Ben has to color it by saying he growled it. Um,
it's very funny. Yeah, uh yeah, it's um okay, So

(43:47):
he has he cites another student. Um, so this is
and Kim of the University of Washington, and this this
person who been says exists apparently said this within this
culture where sex sells everything from shampoo to gum. George
Bush has proposed doubling the amount of federal funding for
absence only sex education in the classroom. It's a farce

(44:07):
to assume that exclusively teaching no sex is safe sex
will prevent teens from having it. This message resolves in
the real world, where teens, regardless of whether they're sexually active,
I want to know and talk about sex. So that's
him citing someone that I'm sure he disagrees with that.
I still don't know if I think that's a person
other than Ben. I wonder if you made I'm gonna
see if I can find evidence that this person. Good luck.

(44:30):
I just want to know they're sitting right next to
Ann Taylor. So don't don't you even worry about that? Oh, well,
maybe there's a there's an assistant manager at Sunrise Dental
who graduated from the University of Washington recently. Um, you
know what, I'm gonna go ahead and say that I
think and Kim might be a real person. Yea, Ben,

(44:53):
should doctor actually talk to human beings? Yeah? And and
so Yeah, I may have made there may be some
real people in this fascinating I do believe that Ann
Kim as a person. Um, so that that that me
and and Kim seems to be saying a reasonable thing. Um,
even though I don't, I don't. I still don't know
how much I believe that she said sex sells everything

(45:15):
from shampoo to gum. Um, but maybe maybe that just
seems like such a Ben Shapiro line. Well, I was
just gonna say also that, um, yes, yes, the extremely
sexual Gump commercials. I mean, I'm thinking of double mint twins, right, bubblesious?

(45:35):
What's the sexiest gump commercials? Big League Chew? Nothing makes
me want nothing makes me want to fuck like Big
League Chew. I thought that was a candy. It is,
it's it's gum. Oh, but it's gone and to Candy. Uh,
it's it's it's gone and to Candy. Yeah, I've never

(45:58):
had big league ch um. Alright. So the next line
that Ben has at the end of this, during this
abstinence section is the truth is it's too early to
tell whether abstinence education can work at a wide level.
There have been no conclusive studies one way for another
in the studies that it's funny because he says, and
the studies that do exist conflict with each other. Now,

(46:19):
I found a two thousand and eleven study, UM, it's
pretty fucking conclusive. Yeah. I was working at Planned Parenthood
in two thousand four. It was already something that everybody knew. Yeah.
I found a two thousand eleven study UM from the

(46:40):
US National Library of Medicine UM that seems to be
pretty comprehensive and includes the line the data clearly show
show clearly that abstinence only education is a state policy,
is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy, and may actually be
contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the US. UM. Yeah,
So uh, there's one study. And then I found another

(47:03):
study from two thousand ten UM that I think is
like his uh, like his best case study which is
from two that UM and the Archives of Pediatric Adolescent Medicine,
which found that abstinence only intervention was effective in getting
very young teens to delay sexual initiation. But the program
is not the same as the abstinence until marriage programs

(47:24):
funded by the Bush administration. Um. But it's very funny
that he's like, there's no conclusive studies in the studies
that do exist conflict with each other. Well, is it
possible that the studies that say that it doesn't work
are pretty conclusive and then there's some ship studies that
say that it does work because one study the study
he cites, Um. Yeah, the study that he cites is uh,

(47:46):
which claims that women who pledge to remain virgins until
marriage are less likely to have a child out of wedlock.
That comes from the Heritage Foundation. Yeah, which is a
right wing think tank that is not at all incredible
unbiased source on anything. Yeah. Um, they are not scientists.
They are right wing ideologues paid to find things that

(48:06):
argue for conservative causes, ding ding ding. And if I'm
not mistaken, yeah, yeah, we'll give that later. Um. But
they do publish a lot of stuff on on abstinence
only education UM. And in fact I think I found
the report, yeah, from two thousand two. So that's also funny,

(48:27):
is that, like this thing he's citing is evidence that
it works from two thousand two. We have two thousand,
ten and eleven studies, UM that I found in like
a second of googling that showed that there's like it's
not only it's either ineffective the programs he suggests or
the biggest studies says apt actively harmful. UM. But again
Ben doesn't actually like he does very selective research. And

(48:49):
in fact, I keep saying I can't see anything in
this two book. He keeps citing shipped from two thousand two, UM,
when there's data two thousand ten, eleven thirteen, two thousand
nine studies I found, Like there's a lot more two
thousand three, two thousand three, that's all where it's from.
It Again, that's a decade ago at this point in
a field where there's rapidly being progress and a lot

(49:11):
of studies being made. In addition to the fact that
like he's trying to talk like the kids that there's
data on from two thousand three aren't the generation he's
primarily writing about um in two thousand thirteen, because those
people are all college graduates in their mid twenties by
two thousand thirteen. UM, I don't. It's just it's so gross.

(49:32):
It's like so comprehensively manipulating data is also like very
oh good, And now we get into there's a whole
we get into. This ends with a whole rant on
Hillary Clinton. There's a subhet chapter called The President's Good
Night blow Jobs, talking about the Clinton impeachment scandal that oh,

(49:54):
he's it's just like the idea that it's this thing
that like, despite all of the fund ship that Clinton
has actually did, the word thing is that Bill got
a blowjob, um, which is like, there's a lot that's
messed up about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, primarily the
power and balance between a young twenty year old intern
and the president of the United States and fucking ruining

(50:15):
her life for them for decades to come because her
name became associated with this thing that somehow made him
be cool and somehow made her be a dumb slut patriarchy.
That's how even even within just the like just the subject,
if you're like ignoring the fact that he let the
r want in genocide happen, or fucked up so badly

(50:36):
in Bosnia, or was presided over a campaign of sanctions
that killed hundreds of thousands. Interactly, if you if you're
if you're dropping all of that by the wayside, right,
and if you're just focusing on the sex part of
Bill Clinton, all that stuff you mentioned perfectly valid things
to criticize Clinton over really solid evidence of arms, that
of harms that his sexual behavior had. You could also
talk about the very credible sexual assault allegations against him.

(50:59):
That's not what Ben finds most offensive. Here's been Here's
the bottom line. Without the Lewinsky scandal, millions of children
would not have had to hear about this issue until
reaching maturity, that issue being blow jobs instead oral sex
and mast with cigars. Yeah, issue on yourself. More than that,
it's the things like, oh, you want to criticize Bill

(51:21):
Clinton for like his his sexual like behaviors. Like absolutely,
there's like, yeah, let's let's let's talk about that. But
there's a lot that's like really fucked up that he
did that we should attack him for. Oh, you're angry
because kids heard about blow jobs, Like that's what's offensive
about Bill clinton sex scandal to you is that like
kids became aware of the existence of oral sex? Um

(51:46):
you loser? Yeah, Oh my god, wow, and even quotes
that's incredible. So he quotes a letter from agonized mother
of four, Elizabeth Avery Shelton, who wrote a letter to
the boy Elizabeth Die burying me with the inscription. This

(52:06):
woman wrote a letter to the editor of the Seattle
Times and stated, I would like it to be known
before her movie and book deal comes out, that I
want an apology from Lewinsky for being solely responsible for
me having to explain oral sex to my four children,
ages twelve to eight. Now, BN does note that Clinton
owes parents and apology as well, but like, what the fuck? Like,

(52:28):
why wouldn't she be solely responsible? What the fuck? Not
that within the grand scheme of like things presidents do
that are bad, The fact that kids learned blowjobs exists
isn't on the scale. It's just nowhere near um. But
the fact that he's that, this woman's like Monica Lewinsky,

(52:50):
is solely responsible for me learning about blow jobs, It's
so sad. I feel sorry. That's fucked up, Like imagine
being that person. Of course, everything so fucked up. There's
so many people like that who think, like, who look
at Bill Clinton's sex scan, will be like, well, if
it weren't for her, we wouldn't be hearing about this.
He's the president. She's twinning in an intern. He is

(53:13):
the leader of the country. Like, and you're putting most
of the blame on her. What do you think is
you know what, shout out Monica fucking Lewinsky because yeah,
up having a good life. So good for you, good
for you. Uh, and I don't think capitalized on blow

(53:34):
jobs in any way. Just it's so close started a
purse line. Yeah, good for her, Monica. You can join
that other lady who's just a clothing brand that's been
quoted in this next book? Did you do a second adverb?
I I'm going to do one right now, Sophie, because
you know what time it is? Goods and services? Goods

(53:56):
and services. That's right, mother, who's uh, we're back all right?
So let's uh, let's let's close out by Ben's section
where eleven percent of the way into this book, Jesus Christ,

(54:18):
there's just so much to talk about here. Um, parental abdication,
comprehensive sex education, has taken power out of the hands
of parents. The current system has the schools teaching a
moral permissiveness and forcing parents with standards to unteach their
own children, and parents have to become too lazy to
do anything about it. Instead of opting their kids out

(54:38):
of sex set, it's easier for them to avoid the
messy birds and bees conversation. Leave it to the government
types to teach the kids about standards of morality. The
social liberals who have promuligated this antiparent system are pleased
with the result. Their goal was never to allow parents
the authority to teach their children. It was to show
for the God of tolerance, governments is the most easily
available to liber don't have kids. Yeah, why does he

(55:02):
think liberals are any comfortable more comfortable talking to their
kids than concern about sex and concern it's it's this
idea that like school teacher again, I went through sex
said in this period there was no moral lessons whatsoever,
and it was so incomplete that I then went to
my parents with questions because I didn't understand things, and
I did not get good answers to them because my
parents weren't comfortable discussing it. With me, like, which is

(55:25):
the problem, which is why kids do stupid shit because
they're not being taught to do things safely um or
being taught to do things without shame or like, it's
just it's all very frustrating. Um. And everything Ben says
is wrong. Uh yeah, I think you've got it. Yeah.

(55:47):
Well Sylvia, how are you? Uh, how are you doing?
Dry as a boon? My friend, dry as a bone?
Oh good. I do want to note that at the
end of this chapter, Bid says that we're we're parents
are starting to wake up because a poll in two
thousand three showed strong support for abstinence education. Um. Again

(56:07):
all stuff from like a decade after this book is published. Um. Also,
like are you calling parents and you're like, hey, would
you rather your kid not be fucking? Because they're all
going to say yes, yes, I don't oh absolutely. Uh yeah.
Also of likely voters based on a planned parenthood study

(56:30):
supports sex education in high school. Um. Let's see, here's
the Secrest survey. Uh yeah, okay, it's the same study. UM.
I wonder if there's a less biased source we can find,
because I just want to see if he's well. Um.
Texas voters support abstinence plus sex education, which is sex

(56:51):
education that is medically accurate and doesn't only talk about abstinence. Um,
which seems better than what I probably got. So that's
overwhelmingly supported by three quarters of voters, including sixty of
Republicans in Texas. Um, so, yeah, it does seem like
Ben is wrong on that too. Massachusetts voters drong to

(57:13):
support sex said, um, yeah, it seems like abstinence only
education has very little support because it doesn't work at all,
and and everybody who's reasonable knows it. Been was wrong
about this as he's wrong about everything else. Sophia, you
got any plug doubles? Sure? Thanks. You can check out
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(57:36):
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