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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Also media. Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted
to let you know this is a compilation episode. So
every episode of the week that just happened is here
in one convenient and with somewhat less ads package for
you to listen to in a long stretch if you want.
If you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,
there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

(00:23):
you can make your own decisions.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to it could happen here. The show about how
a small group of people are trying to keep making
bad things happen, and we're going to tell you what
they are. I'm Garrison Davis and joined with me is
doctor James Stout. Hello, doctor, Hi Garrison. Thank thank you
for having me put some respect on my name.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
So today we're going to be talking about something called
Agenda forty seven, and actually we're going to be talking
about this this whole week. We've gotten a lot of
quests to talk about the Heritage Foundations Project twenty twenty five,
which is a kind of an a roadmap for how
a Republican president could to change the country if they
get elected next year. And although this proposal is scary

(01:06):
and quite big. It's a massive, massive book.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Trump certainly listens to these types of guys, but he
doesn't always like really like them.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Okay, he does what the fuck he wants. And again,
no one controlling Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
He kind of does whatever he wants, right, Yeah, And
I mean there certainly are other people like in Congress,
including the Speaker, who are definitely pushing this project twenty
twenty five. And I think we'll probably talk about this
on the show at some other point. But Trump actually
has his own plans for if he's gonna be elected
president again, and we're gonna be talking about that, and
that is called Agenda forty seven, which I believe is

(01:42):
a subtle reference to the forty seventh president, which will
be him if he gets elected.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, well so the forty fifth president. So yeah, sell
more much that way.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
So the next the next, the next few episodes, we're
gonna be diving into Trump's plans for if he becomes
the forty seventh president of the United States, called Agenda
forty seven. He has all of these listed on his website,
and one of my favorite parts is that to accompany
each one of these, like policy proposals. He has a
video of him like reading out something on a like

(02:17):
a teleprompter, and he very often will go off script,
just completely and just start talking, which which they include
the entire transcript for underneath each video, which is just
fascinating to read, totally divorced of like how he talks.
It's just amazing. Also, all of the videos are embedded
on his website via Rumble, which is just amazing, amazing

(02:42):
stuff happening.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
It's perfect.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
So that's that's kind of the the overview of what
we're gonna be doing this next week and why and
the reason why I have James here. James you you
you work in education, right?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
I do? I do some educating.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, so you have you have opinions on it?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I would assume yeah, strong ones as a doctor, Yeah yeah,
a doctor of mond European history. Just to be clear
before anyone, yes, pictures of their illnesses, please don't.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
So I'm gonna be talking about Trump's plan for education,
and by the end we can see if it gets
the James Stout approval. As someone who works in education.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah yeah, I mean, I'm upen minded. Let's see what
he's got.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
So Trump, now the problem with us doing these episodes
is that all of these are like videos right for
his policy proposals. And I don't want to subject to you,
the listener, to just videos of Trump talking. I don't
you don't need to hear that. But there's a part
of me, just deep down, a shameful part of me
that when I'm reading these quotes, I really want to

(03:45):
like slip into like a like a bad transgender Trump impression,
which I've tried to suppress. I've tried to suppress the surge,
but every once in a while, it just it just
sneaks out. So as I'm going through these quotes, I
can not promise that certain things might start happening. And
it's it's just a part of the deal.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
You've been possessed by the spirit of Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh God. So on this note, Trump opens his education
proposal with this line quote, our public schools have been
taken over by the radical left maniacs, which really sets
the tone for the rest of what we're gonna be
talking about today.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
I do want to highlight that I've been trying for
more than a decade, but obviously it's about people have
been more successful than me in that regard.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
So over these next like twenty five minutes, I'm gonna
try to explain what he calls his quote plan to
save American education and give power back to American parents
and the American parents line is going to be a
reoccurring trend here. So in kind of a broad overview,

(04:53):
Trump believes that regular public schools, as well as colleges
and universities are just so far gone to not only
require like massive, massive regressive changes, but also frankly whole
new alternatives are needed, which leads us to our first
policy proposal. So Trump says that Americans are horrified that

(05:16):
quote once respected universities express support for the savages and
jihattists who attacked Israel unquote. So that's obviously not great there.
It is savages, very very quick, just immediate, immediately getting
this sort of stuff. Despite spending more money on higher
education than any other country, schools are quote turning our

(05:38):
students into communists and terrorists and sympathizers of many, many
different dimensions.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
What does that even mean?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
They're sympathizing with the alternate dimensions, you know, the the
near universe version. They're gaining too much sympathy as well,
as turning into communists and terrorists.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
To be fair, he is right that like one of
the areas where you will find like the the few
whole noct Twitter is the other area of unreconstructed Marxist Leninists.
It's in the Academy that it's there, and on x
dot com formerly known as Twitter.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
So to combat this communist and savage and hottest incursion
into universities, Trump is proposing something quote unquote dramatically different.
His plan is to seize quote billions and billions unquote
of dollars through taxes, finds in lawsuits against quote excessively
large private university endowments unquote, and use that money to

(06:39):
quote endow a new institution called the American Academy unquote.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's already The American Academy is already, But is he
spending it with an E or it's why?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Like no, it's the why.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Okay, So it's a place not like the institution.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
So the American Academy will seek to quote make a
truly world class education avaiable to every American free of charge,
without adding a single dime to the federal debt. And
then to do this, quote the institution will gather an
entire universe of the highest quality educational content unquote. And

(07:16):
I love the phrase educational content.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, yeah, this is this sounds like the short prayer
you videos that.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, what do you like? You're starting to You're starting
to suspect certain things, right like, Yeah, what do you
think the American Academy is going to be here? Based
on the limited information you have?

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, it doesn't seem like a credible university, does it.
It seems to look like if your world made thats education.
Maybe it's what Barry Weiss is doing in Texas, you know,
maybe she's going to be helming the American Academy. It
sounds like Jordan Peterston's Grift University.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's a world class education after you gather an entire
universe of the highest quality educational content. So this content,
Trump claims, will quote cover the full spectrum of human
knowledge and skills and make that material available to every
American citizen online for free. Unquote.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
That's just a library where he's describing as a library,
we already have those.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Not quite the content. It's not just a library because quote,
the Academy will utilize the latest breakthrough in computing unquote,
as well as study groups, mentors, and industry partners to
provide a truly quote top tier education option for the people.

(08:39):
For the next part, I have to do it in
the Trump voice, because otherwise the grammar won't make any sense.
Whether you want lectures or an ancient history, or an
introduction to financial accounting or a trading get a skilled trade.
The goal will be to deliver it and get it
done properly. I love the phrase whether you want lecture

(09:00):
or an ancient history?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, yeah, Like you can give yourself a history, like
you could go back to Samaria and insert yourself.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Whether you want lectures or an ancient history, or an
introduction into financial accounting or training in a skilled trade.
So you will be able to learn all of this
online for free, getting a truly top tier education, which
sounds like okay. But Trump specified that your American Academy
education will be quote unquote strictly non political unquote.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Good.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I'm really excited to learn an ancient history from a
strictly non political standpoint. That's that's great.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
We can't discuss the formation of the state because there
will be a political stance.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Furthermore, Donald Trump promised that at American Academy. Quote, there
will be no wokeness or jihadism allowed. None of that's
going to be allowed.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
How will I teach without you? H My personal jihad
is is to educate the youth of America, but now
I can't by taking it.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Sorry, not allowed, not allowed, going to trump.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Very sad, very sad.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
So this plan also seeks to help the forty million
Americans who have some college education but no complete degree,
by granting credit for past course work at quote unquote
legacy institutions and giving Americans quote the chance to complete
your education at the American Academy for free and much
more quickly than is now possible or available unquote. So now,

(10:35):
if there weren't red flags going off already, there certainly
should be now with that last line, more quickly than
it is now possible or available, which is which is
a classic tell of an online university scam. Now, the
exact details of how the American Academy is supposed to
work are kind of unclear, probably because it hasn't been
figured out yet. It's bullshit, courage, and quite possibly never

(10:58):
will get figured out.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, many such cases, and Agenda forty seven as it
turns out.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
But Trump University founder Donald Trump did say that his
American Academy proposal does plan to quote compete directly with
existing and very costly four year university systems, like granting
students degree credentials that the US government and all federal
contractors will henceforth recognize.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
The other recognize him as fucking useless.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Not degrees.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Degree credentials. Yeah, degree credentials.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Gonna put my degree credential up on my wall.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
This is just another Trump University, an uncredited scam that
Trump is hoping to prop up with the federal government,
this time instead of his business empire. It's it's not
it's not.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
His entire thing, isn't it Like, yes, that is the
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's not real. It's not real. He's he's framing this
plan as a quote unquote revolution in higher education that
will vital life changing opportunities by awarding American citizens with
quote the full and complete equilivent of a bachelor's degree.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
I love it when he just fucking sends it on
there's gonna be one in my in my episode which
you're here later this week, or when he just cannot
say the word film and I love that he doesn't
fucking try. He just he just owns it.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
The full and complete equivalent.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
That's not neither.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
That's neither full nor complete if it's an equil anyway.
Trump Trump ends this video with an eloquent quote, enjoy it,
learn from it, and thank you, which is.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Just I'm gonna finish you on my lectures that way
that and then I'll do like a smoke puff and
just disappear.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
So yeah, this is this is the first plan to
save American education. That sounds great. I cannot wait to
get a full and complete equivalent of a bachelor's degree credential.
Very very cool.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, wonderful stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
But do you know what isn't a scam? James?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Can we say that, like I, we might be absolute.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I trust my life on every single product and or
service that follows this musical sting.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
We are back.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Do not, I repeat, do not send me any of
the advertisers that just aired. I don't care what they are.
My life is indebted. I don't care. I don't care.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
You can send them to you can send them to Sophie.
Her Twitter is at I write, okay.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I write okay, send it to Sophie all right, so
while this Trump University too will remain uncredited. Donald Trump,
creator of the Donald Trump board game that did not
sell there. Well, when I can.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Eady for what, Yeah, didn't you?

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, creator of the Dog.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Trump board game.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
No? Wow, okay, is it like monopoly? But you just
look lie and generate.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I didn't look too far into it for the bit.
I'm gonna be honest here. This is Yeah, disappointed. I
was ready to go a deep dive. But Donald Trump
also plans to attack the current accreditation system for being
run by a Communist scourge, which leads us to our
second Agenda forty seven topic titled quote protecting students from

(14:32):
the radical Left and Marxist maniacs infecting educational institutions. But
I believe he's talking about you, James.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, which is ironic. I'm an anarchist and I'm not
a Marxist's maniac. No, No, Sadly, not many such cases.
But I do make them read the Communist Manifesto in
my one oh one class.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
It's okay, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
You got to read it. You gotta. It's it's something
you should emerge from history education having.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Read so Trump starts for talking about how quote unquote
academics are quote obsessed with inductrinating America's youth at colleges
and universities while charging a ballooning tuition fee. Trump claims
to have a quote unquote secret weapon that he will
use to quote reclaim our once great educational institutions from

(15:19):
the radical left, the college accreditation system. It's called accreditation
for a reason.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Quote.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
It's called accreditation for a reason. He never extravolates on that.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
I genuinely don't. I can't fathom what I think he means.
That could go in so many directions.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
There's no way to know. There's no way to know.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
It just leaves a hanging.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
So Trump explains that quote accreditors are supposed to ensure
that schools are not ripping off students and taxpayers, but
they have failed totally unquote, which is not really what
college accreditors do. Both government run and private accreditation organizations
exist to develop criteria and CONDUCTI valuations to ensure educational
quality and authorize if a school qualifies for student aid

(16:05):
programs from the Department of Education. That's generally what accreditation
institutions do. They don't look out for if students are
being ripped off, like that's not really their role, but whatever. So,
upon returning to sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC, Donald
Trump promised that he will quote fire the radical left
accreditors that have allowed our colleges to become dominated by

(16:28):
Marxist maniacs and lunatics. So he believes that there's like
communists that are running the accreditation system and that's what's
currently ruining colleges, is that is his belief.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
They come in, they sit at the back, and this
is the right little book perhaps to be read, and
they and then we have a criticism circle afterwards where
they check how many mark references you've made in your lecture.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
So, after sending all these communists to the Gulag, Trump
will then begin to quote accept applications for newer creditors.
Now it's unclear if he's talking about just like the
public or private sector here, but these newer creditors will
quote impose real standards and colleges once again and once
and for all. Now what such standards you ask? Thank you,

(17:16):
James Well. Trump gave us a handy little list which
includes like some of the more average conservative to libertarian
esque positions like protecting free speech, eliminating wasteful administrative positions
that drive up costs, offering options for accelerated and low
cost degrees, providing meaningful job placement and career services, and
implementing college entrants and exit exams to prove that students

(17:38):
are actually learning or getting their money's worth, right, Which
all that sounds like kind of standard politician talk. Right,
It's like, okay, sure, but Trump did mention a few
other standards that will be imposed once again by this
new generation of accreditors, which will also include quote, defending
the American tradition and Western civilization and removing all Marxist

(17:59):
diverse the equity and inclusion be a regrets unquote. So
d I Dei the right's new favorite boogiey man that's
responsible from everything from rising university costs to botched surgeries,
aviation incidents, and boats malfunctioning and cladding with bridges. It
is it is the the villain of the of the
conservative right at the moment. And so because this has

(18:23):
been a trending topic among conservatives, Trump's trying to jump
on this Dei train, which sounds incredibly dangerous from their
perspective because this term he probably never even heard of before,
like a year ago.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Like, come on, no, I don't think he. I don't
think he implemented DII in his business institutions. I think
this is Yeah, it's a word they say when they
can't say slurs. They think they've found a funny workaround
to saying slurs.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I mean, that's this thing with like every time someone
says like like critical race theory, woke or DEI, they're
really just trying to say a slur. And if and
if you, if you replace those three terms with just
a slur, their sentences make a lot more sense because
the way they use the word woke does not mean
anything in a lot of cases. But if you just
replace it for a racial slur, you're like, oh, now

(19:11):
I can understand what they're saying. It's a handy trick
that really is not fun to.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Think about, yeah, arisobtle.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
As a part of this DEI frenzy, Trump has promised
to quote direct the Department of Education to pursue federal
civil rights cases against the schools they continue to engage
in racial discrimination unquote, which also kind of calls upon
like older like affirmative action complaints that conservatives have been
talking about for years.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
That's what I wondered if he was going after.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, it kind of it ties into that as well.
And Trump added that this race based discrimination quote includes
discrimination against Asian Americans unquote, which is definitely invoking that
style of affirmative action conservative rhetoric from like, yeah, ten
five years ago.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yay.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Even more recent is that Supreme Court case. Oh yeah,
that was that was that was just like last year,
Becky with the bad grades. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
So beyond just threatening to sick the DOJ on woke schools,
Trump also made the more specific promise that if schools
quote persist in explicit unlawful discrimination under the guise of
equity unquote, he will not only make sure that their
endowments be taxed, but also quote, through budget reconciliation, I

(20:28):
will advance to measure to have them find up to
the entire amount of their endowment unquote.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Does he realize that, no, no schools have endowments, Like
I teach you in the community college, we ain't got
an endowment.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
No, he's he's I'm sure that he's gonna go after
like the Harvard Endowment. Yeah, that's gonna track. Yeah, have
have fun finding fifty billion dollars from Harvard. That's totally
gonna happen. But his plan after he seizes these endowments, quote,
a portion of the seized funds will then be used
as institution for victims of these illegal and unjust policies,

(21:03):
policies that hurt our country so badly. Colleges have gotten
hundreds of billions of dollars from hard working taxpayers, and
now we're going to get this anti American insanity out
of our institutions once and for all. So that's cool, Like, okay, sure,
you're gonna use this to pay back white people who've

(21:24):
been if we've been denied college admission. Okay, cool, that
sounds like a winning electoral statue.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
You have finally the reparations people.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, exactly exactly. You know who's had it too hard
for too long?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Chance, it's white people who didn't make it through college gars.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
It's it's because they didn't get to it's because they
didn't go to Yale. Now they have to go to Princeton.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, embarrassing, right, why would you even bother?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
So it's but it's not just colleges. Trump also threatened
to quote cut federal funding for any school or program
publishing critical race theory, gender ideology, or other inappropriate racial, sexual,
or political content onto our children. We're not going to
allow it to happen, folks.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Very cool, Great, Yeah, I used to teach a gender
sociology course. Forward to defund defund. Yeah, yeah, I know
we're going down fight together. We're gonna do that ship.
They will have to fight that way in there. Don't
say that on air.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
You can't say that you're gonna turn your community college
into a you can't say that. So, yeah, he's gonna
go after school, regular schools, both college and universities, regular schools.
If there's doing any any CRT gender ideology, you can
tell that some of this was written like a year
and a half ago, because no, no one's talking about
critical race theory anymore.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
But yeah, yeah, I missing. But like, can you imagine
teaching a sociology course and just being like, yeah, we're
gonna skip past race and gender.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Politics, set past politics.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, this is this is a man who himself went
to Like did he go to hot Yale?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
No, he did not go to either. He was sent
to a military school by his father when he was
thirteen for being annoying. Then he think he went to
a school in Pennsylvania, respect And then what other school
did he go to?

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Critical respect to his dad.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
He yeah, he went to the New York Military Academy.
That he went to Fordham University and then the University
of Pennsylvania's Wharton School.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Oh yeah, Wharton Business School. Yeah, not a real graduate degree.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
So the reason why this is also evils because Trump
thinks that a lot of this stuff is basically forming
a new religion. All this woke stuff quote, the Marxism
being preached in our schools is totally hostile to Judeo
Christian teachings, and in many ways it resembles establishing a
new religion. Can't let that happen. I can't let that happen.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
One thing we take a big swing at is Judeo
Christian institutions.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
To combat this growing threat of religious Marxism.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
His administration, I'm sorry, I cannot oh.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
His administration will quote aggressively pursue potential violations of the
Establishment Clause and the free exercise Clause of the Constitution.
That's very simple.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
I think you quite understand before we met of that
that luckily we do Russian Orthodox Marxism at my university,
so we should say, god, yeah, well a lot of beards.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
So and then, in kind of like a laundry list
of policies and talking points, Trump pledged to quote veto
the sinister effort to weaponize civics education, we will keep
men out of women's sports and will create a new
credentialing body that'll be the gold standard anywhere in the
world to certified teachers who embrace patriotic values, support a

(24:47):
way of life, and understand that their job is not
to indoctrinate children but very simply to educate them.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
No one's ever done. No one has ever created a
credentialing body for patriotic teachers who embrace quote our way
of life before, it's never been done.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Sinister efforts to weaponize civics.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Just imagine him looking for looking for the Civics bill. Yeah,
very funny, So probably distract him for a while. Stuff,
I'm doing some actual terrible shit.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
A little bit with that last part was like indoctrinating children,
And this next little bit will kind of demonstrate how
stuff like QAnon didn't simply go away like some have postulated. Instead,
it's just been absorbed into the fabric of American politics.
No longer does the boogeyman have to be a DNC
pedophilic elite. Now it's been deterritorialized and destroyed and mutated

(25:36):
into just being any school teacher and or like every
trans person right or God forbid a transgender school say,
which is like the prime evil of the current conservative society.
And Trump promises on day one of his new presidency
he will he will quote begin to find and remove
the radicals, Zealots, and Marxists who have infiltrated the Department

(25:59):
of Education, and that also includes others. And you know
who you are, because we are not going to allow
anyone to hurt our children.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
You know who you are. You know who you are.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
So this is the weaponization of nearly eight years of
QAnon rhetoric, right, that is, that has grown past the
need to actually invoke QAnon, plus the two years of
the Republican Party, the daily wire and limbs of TikTok
working to shift q Andon's kind of disgraced and unfocused
momentum towards a manufactured continuation in the form of this
transgender groomer craze that's taking over American schools. Quote, Joe

(26:35):
Biden has given these lunatics unchecked power. I will have
them fired and escorted from the building. And I will
tell Congress that any appropriations bill I sign must reaffirm
the president's ability to remove defined employees from the job.
It's all about our children unquote.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Just imagining an executive order to remove someone from the lecture.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I am going to be signing an executive order on
this podcast to go to another at break, we are
back and thank you James for reaffirming my ability to
remove defiant ads.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, well, why you were all away? The several federal
agents came in and inserted an ad break.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
In this last section here, we're going to return to
Trump's conception that entire alternatives are needed to America's broken,
woke school system, now focusing on the grade school side
rather than just the post secondary. So in this vein,
Trump is courting the growing number of homeschooling families, though
according to a Washington Post poll from last year, Republican

(27:47):
homeschoolers outnumbered Democrat ones two to one, so he kind
of already has the majority of that vote. But still
something he is going after. According to Trump, ever since
quote the China virus, America has seen an estimated thirty
present increase in homeschool enrollment unquote. It's just a funny
term as homeschool in roll.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, yeah, just going to the homeschool to enroll.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I'm gonna be enrolling in homeschool. Very funny. An if
elective president for a second time, he will do everything
to support quote parents who make the courageous choice of
home school unquote. Again, the way he uses home the
word homeschool is unlike anyone else I've ever heard of.
Talk it is. It is a very odd use of

(28:30):
the English language.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, he doesn't seem to understand parts of.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Speech like no, no, And Trump said he'll work to
ensure that homeschoolers will be entitled to all the benefits
available to non homeschool students, like being able to participate
in athletic programs, clubs, atter school activities, educational trips, and more.
He pledged that in his next term, he will allow
five to nine education savings accounts to be used for
quote costs associated with homeschool education. A current five to

(28:58):
nine savings accounts families to withdraw up to ten thousand
dollars a year to spend tax free on tuition for
private schools, which Trump called a quote tremendous win for
a school choice, very important school choice. To remember that
term unquote. That term never comes up again in this video. Great.
So Trump is planning to expand this tuition savings program

(29:22):
to include homeschooling families as well, with a very unknown
system of checks and balances to determine what exactly qualifies
as costs related to homeschooling. And often homeschooling is used
by abusive parents to just have kids do free labor
around the house, and they try to make it count
as like education. And like if you're now allowing parents

(29:44):
to put money into a savings account to remove ten
thousand a year tax free spent on education, like what
does what does that mean? Does that mean just curriculum?
Does that mean like household supplies because that's being put
towards their homeschool because they're schooling at home. Like very
very unclear, And it's kind of refers back to some
of the general problems homeschooling, especially in like conservative homeschooling

(30:07):
or just as a large way to abuse children not
in like the groomer way that right wing people talk about.
It's like, no, you're just literally like limiting your kids'
access to the outside world because you think if they
go outside they're gonna turn gay. So but even if
oh sorry, there's there's one one final quote from this
homeschooling video, which are just fucking phenomenal to every homeschool family.

(30:31):
I will be your champion. Do not vote Democrat. They're
looking to destroy you. If you don't mind me saying
that Joe Biden can't put two sentences together, and yet
he's looking to destroy you. Do not vote Democrat. Do
not vote for crook and Joe vote for honest Donald,
thank you very much. It's funny because in the video

(30:56):
when he says vote for honest Donald, he also starts
to crack up because he knows how ridiculousness is. God,
I vote for croaking Joe, vote for Arnest Nuddled, Thank
you very much, Very very cool. They're looking to destroy
you if you don't might be saying.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah, if you don't mind me, a man who rarely
asked permission to say the most exane shit.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
So even if parents are not choosing to homeschool. Trump
wants to let voters know that he will fight for parents' rights,
which isn't quite a dog whistle, but it does refer
to a very specific style of patriarchal rhetoric popularized by
hyper religious conservative think tanks that propose an extremely narrow
version of how the American family should operate within society.
More on this later, But so what can Trump do

(31:43):
to let right wing religious parents know that he will
be their champion even in like blue states or big cities.
As much as Trump might want to be a dictator,
he doesn't have unlimited power to impose his war on
wokeness in liberal cities. But Donald Trump, who was impeached
for trying to blackmail the president of Ukraine in summer
of twenty nineteen, does have a plan. He wants to
quote implement massive funding preferences and favorable treatment unquote for

(32:09):
states and school districts that make four specific quote historic
reforms and education that Trump has decreed. These four specific
reforms include abolishing tenure for K through twelve teachers so
that we can quote remove bad teachers and adopt merit
pay to reward good teachers. The second is to quote

(32:32):
drastically cut the blowed number of school administrators, including the
costly and divisive and unnecessary DEI bureaucracy. Third to adopt
a parental bill of rights that includes complete curriculum transparency
in a form of universal school choice. And lastly, quote
implement the direct election of school principles by the parents.

(32:53):
Trump calls this last bit the ultimate form of local control,
something our country has never had, or at least has
not had for the last fifty years. So those are
his four reform plans, which is like, yeah, you know
who's had it too easy for too long, teachers. Let's
abolish ten year adopt merit pay a disaster of a system,

(33:14):
cut administrative roles, put more work on teachers, have parents
be able to fire fire principles by voting, and a
vote to elect their own principle, and universal school choices
is actually more of a dog whistle that it just
refers to a series of like very racist, like urban
planning policies to direct rich white people's funding into a
very few, selected number of schools instead of where they

(33:36):
actually like live and instead of the actual district they
live in. So there's all of that, and like what
Trump keeps coming back to. Among all these quote unquote reforms,
it all kind of relates to complete parental dominance. And
part of this was the parental Bill of Rights, which
you've probably seen some conservatives talking about more these past
few years. And this is another quote from Trump here.

(33:59):
It's all about the parents for their children, more than
anyone else. Parents know what their children need. And if
you haven't heard of a parental bill of rights directly,
you most certainly have heard of one by another name
that don't say gay bill that was a parental rights bill,
a sensibly targeting education, but these bills often end up
giving parents just complete control over every aspect of the

(34:20):
child's life. They dictate how children are allowed to express
themselves and allow parents to impose nearly any discipline or punishment.
They desire total control over what the child eats, what
they wear, what they read, what they watch, what they
see online, and what they're allowed to learn in school,
who they're allowed to socialize with. Some of these bills
that I read through for this also bar mandatory masking
policies and schools back when that was the thing, and

(34:42):
then are often full of anti vax talking points and
attempts to ban sex ed and quote unquote gender politics.
As a part of these bills, teachers in school administration
are legally required to act as parental surveillance tools to
report how a child behaves, how they socialize, how they dress,
how they like to be referred to, and who they
are friends with. This includes outing children as gay or

(35:02):
trans to parents if anyone in the school suspects that
the student has a non heterosexual sexual orientation or is
acting in any way inconsistent with their assigned gender at birth.
These types of bills often have other consequences as well.
In states where some of these bills have passed, like
North Carolina, due to legal risks, some elementary schools have
been unable to talk about or give out educational materials

(35:24):
on consent or how to identify when child sexual abuse
is taking place as a part of the Safe Touch programs.
These programs are basically unable to happen because teachers will
now be held personally legally liable if any parent objects
to this material. So parental rights bills have been signed
into law in six states over the past two legislative years,
famously Florida as well as Arizona, Georgia, Louisiana, Iowa, and

(35:48):
North Carolina. Since then, similar bills have been introduced to
more than twenty five states, many of which have passed
through at least one chamber. Some of them are still
in the process of either passing through a second chape
or being signed by the governor. Yeah, I'm gonna end
with two quotes here from uh from Trump that kind
of reiterate this this this parental dominance thing that he's

(36:09):
really pushing for. And also people like Ronda Santists have
been pushing forward Tad Cruz, a lot of a lot
of a lot of writing politicians quote as the saying goes,
personnel is policy. And at the end of the day,
if we have pink haired communists teaching our kids, we
have a major problem. When I'm president, we will put
parents back in charge and give them the final say.

(36:30):
We will get back to teaching reading, writing, and math
called arithmetic, and we will kill our kids the high
quality pro American education they deserve. They're gonna teach you
math called arithmetic, magnificence amazing. We may spend the most,

(36:53):
but we're going to be tops in education no matter,
no matter where you go anywhere in the world. We're
gonna be top in education.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
There will be no bottoms in the American education system
going forward.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
So this is this is Donald Trump, the second host
of the TV show The Apprentice, who is run for
public office. This is his plan for education. Doctor jam Stout,
how do you feel about about these education reform proposals.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't seem like a rare idea,
if I'm being honest, Having having listened to it, I
think perhaps he hasn't got the uh, the sharpest grasp
on what's going on in the education system. The reason
we have education is because your parents don't necessarily know
what's best for you, right, Like.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Your parents can't be an expert in everything.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yes, so some of us go and get PhDs so
we can, and then we teach your people how the
important things about that, like you're by definition your parents
cannot fulfill all the roles in an education system fulfills and.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Like unlike pink haired communists who have complete who have
complete total control over every aspect of what a child
should learn.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
It's one of the things when you enter the university,
you know, like they did a tuberculosis test and then
they pass you a pink hair dye, and I mean
you get a nose piercing as well.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
A lot of this is very much reminiscent of like
the the fears of like communist education that you see
in like the nineteen thirties. How there's a lot of
political a lot of political tension trying to be raised
over the fear that there's communists teaching you in universities
and schools.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah. It's interesting because at the same time.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Like Frankfurt school style stuff.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, yeah, I've written a lot about like anarchist ideals
educational ideals, right, so at the same time, they were
anarchists in Spain being like, you know, we should we
should do all our classes in the forest. Let's just
go out into the forest. Or absolutely there was a
school by the sea where they talked kids like they
were just having this incredible utopian education dream, which in

(38:56):
many ways we still haven't adapted to some of the
things that that really could offer, and instead, yeah, we're
having this McCarthyism Part two.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Well, great, that is that is Trump's plan for education.
In case, in case you didn't know, So watch out
for those pink cared communists. Keep an eye out for
any parental bill of rights being proposed in your state,
and it is probably has little little to do with
actually protecting children and more to do with making parents

(39:27):
just a complete dominating force and controlling every aspect of
their child's life. And I mean, the other sins we're
thinking about this is like it removes access to for
for kids to talk about things that that they may
be upset about.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
And access to mandated reporters, like exactly, a mandated reporter
like this seems to exactly gets away from that exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
And and I mean the idea that that that schools
are going to be legally required to out a child
if he's if they're acting like perceived to be deviant
in some like gender actual way. Like all of these
things are just ways to enable parental abuse in a
variety of like ways that are explicit and non explicit.

(40:09):
And it's it's it's it's it's quite it's quite upsetting.
And that's the that's the thing that conservatives are currently
trying to push forward. This is a big topic. This
stuff was talking about in the Republican primaries that were
completely useless constantly stuff like this is something this is
referred to while in evoking this fear of like this
pink haired transgender communist teacher just currently like the biggest

(40:29):
threat to America according to most conservatives.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, they can take us down from the inside.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
That and jihadism, which are probably linked somehow.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, yeah, I think, Well it's the pink head, your hottest,
the famous.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Well that isn't for us today. What are we going
to be learning about next for Agenda forty seven.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Games, Well, we're going to be learning next about immigration
Donald Trump's border policies. Many of you will be shocked
to hear that they're not very good. And well, I
have two classes to sell if you're if you're in
San Diego and you want to get in before they
take the Marxism out of the education system, you can
but strike now.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I do love how I do love how much of
this is. Like do you know who's had it easy
for too long? Transgender teachers there they're having.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Out yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the people who are so
fucking broke they have to have like go fundme's up
for their gender reassignment surgery, the.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Great wonderful stuff. Yeah, all right, we will be back
tomorrow to talk about Trump's border policies, things that will
probably be totally normal, totally chill.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, it's very very similar to fucking Faddy. They are
similar to Biden's, but that's a whole other just terpy.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
That's a whole other discussions. All right, see you on
the other side. Bye, hello, and welcome.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
DA could happen here Pocus where my friend Garrison Davis
and I inc her countless amounts of trauma by watching
videos of Donald Trump talking about things he doesn't understand.
How are you doing today, Garrison.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Oh, I'm doing fine and peachy on this wonderful spring afternoon.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yeah, we'll sort that out for you. We'll bring you
back down because what we gathered here today to discuss, Garrison,
is that we talked about gender forty seven yesterday. So
hopefully people have listened. If you haven't, you know, you
can go back and understand what gender forty seven is.
This short version is that it's Donald Trump's policy platform
for his proposed second term. Right, if he gets elected

(42:38):
in twenty twenty four, and there is a lot of
agenda forty seven, we'll.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Breaking down a lot of forty seven. Yeah, yeah, arguably
too much agenda forty seven.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yes, so yeah, yeah, one could argue that, I think
quite compellingly, what we're talking about today is his board
of immigration policy. And I don't think it'll shock anyone
to hear that these are major pillars of forty seven. Right.
He kind of launched his political career with an incredibly
bigoted speech about migrants, and it's been the real through line,

(43:09):
Like the only thing, one of the few things where
he actually was able to be efficient enough to do
a large amount of harm was at the border and
with immigration right, and it certainly seems like he has
plans to a lot more in twenty twenty four. Post
twenty twenty four, I guess Biden's tried to counter this
by lurching to the right, but he's handled a lot

(43:30):
of people in the process. But this hasn't stopped Trump
without taking a breath out flanking him far to the
right on immigration policy. So that's what we're going to
talk about today. So gender forty seven website. It's structured
with a series of these scripted rumble videos which are
embedded and then in a spectacular own goal also transcripted,

(43:51):
which just like like Garrison said yesterday, it is a
joy to read Donald Trump speaking without hearing Donald Trump speaking,
it is you never know what coming next, like it
consistently blindsides you. No one can the best to ever
do it, and no one, no one could replicate Donald Trump.
So a lot of the pages detail his proposed actions

(44:12):
on his first day in office, right what he's going
to do with his executive power or which, as we'll
go into, he seems to be this is not a
man who attended to civic class and paid attention.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Well because because it was weaponized.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, he he's loving American didn't
go okay. The other things address like cloudy right wing
talking points which in many cases kind of either fictional
or over exaggerated, are not really related to what's going
on with the border and midration, and he sort of
proposes quite unquote solutions often it's not exactly clear how

(44:49):
or if these things are legal, but I think, as
we'll get into, that doesn't really matter. His big theme
going through all of his immigration content is to end
what he calls automatic citizenship for children. I'm not going
to do the voice. I can't do the voice.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Because you're cursed with your britishness. Blessed yes, yeah, sure,
yea God chosen people. Okay, yeah, average average Christian identity
opinion heverage.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yeah yeah, big, big Christian identity opinion have it. Okay.
So Donald Trump, right, his big thing is taking a
swing at the Fourteenth Amendment, right, at birthright citizenship. It's
very funny that it's not funny. Actually it's quite fucked.
But if you're not familiar, the Fourteenth Amendment right was
passed after the Civil War, and in the first part

(45:42):
of the Fourteenth Amendment, there's a sentence that reads, all
persons born or naturalized in the United States and the
subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
That sounds very simple.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Yeah, it does, doesn't it. It does. What you're not considering
garrison is like fringes on the flag tier legal bullshit,
which Donald Trump and his camp, unsurprisingly are pursuing. We're
going to get to a little bit about this later.
This is they're not the first group of people to
make ending birth right citizenship the whole thing right. It's

(46:18):
been a sort of a bugbear on the right for
a while. So, as I said, the Fonding for Men
was strongly opposed by Confederate States after the Civil War. Right,
but they were forced to ratify it in order to
regain representation in Congress.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, I get fucked.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yeah, So John Donald Trump's now bringing, I guess, coming
back on behalf of the Confederacy to challenge the Fourteenth
to make in any such cases in this and many
other ways. That's why they call him stone Wall Trump,
do they they? Yeah? Wait, really no, I don't think
I mean, I guarantee, I guarantee. Let's just google it

(46:54):
real quick. Let's see what comes up Stonewall Trump. It's
going to be one of two things. Stone Wall really splits. Wow. Okay,
now there's some curse stuff there. Google that your own risk.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
So the Fourteenth Amendment has been really pivotal in American history.
It's one of the most litigated amendments to the Constitution.

Speaker 6 (47:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
It gave us the Road decision, which has now been overheard,
give us the Obergefel decision, which legalizes the same sex marriage.
Gave us Brown versus Board of Education. More relevant here
is that it superseded the dread Scott case and shrind
in law the right if anyone born in the USA,
regardless of race or a snithety to be a citizen,
and it has a few exemptions, like I think the

(47:34):
children of foreign diplomats and visiting heads of state are
not US citizens. So like King Charles couldn't come over here,
have another kid and then have that kid be a
dual citizen. Trump proposes that he's going to stop this
immediately on entering office by executive order.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Can you remove an amendment of the Constitution by executive order? James,
I'm not a legal expert by any means.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
No. No, Look, I am a historian of anarchists in Spain.
This is not the center of my area of expertise.
But I'm pretty confident, like without going full seth Abramson here,
that no, you can't. You can't just do that because
it certainly feels wrong. Yeah, it seems like it doesn't
pass the smell test. No, I think if American history

(48:20):
would be very different if you could change the Constitution
by executive order. But this isn't going to stop Donald
Trump crying. The specific case he has a beef with
is US versus one kim Ark. It's called it's a
couple of people who were Chinese nationals who have a
kid in the United States and the Supreme Court found
that their kid would citizen right. We don't need to
go into the case, sure, but Republicans have been on

(48:44):
this for a long time. I think they really began
to get concerted momentum behind it during the Obama administration.
Obviously before Obama was elected, right, Donald Trump sort of
really entered politics with his birth a lives right and
this idea that was not a US citizen therefore was
not eligible for the presidency, and sort of that tendency

(49:07):
continued in Republican politics. Lindsey Graham, a man who looks
like a melting slath, attempted to introduce a constitutional amendment
during the Obama administration, failed to do so. I don't
think he actually ever introduced it. I think he just
sort of shopped it around see if he could get support,
and then failed. This has been a continuing theme since. Actually,
Matt Gates, along with Gosas Santos and some other representatives,

(49:29):
tried to institu a House resolution last year ending birthright citizenship.
Trump has also been cooking up some rather unique legal
theories about this for a while. In twenty eighteen, he
claimed that you don't need a constitutional amendment to change
the fourteenth Amendment. He also repeatedly claimed that birthright citizenship

(49:49):
is something that's either rare or in some cases, he
claimed it's unique to the United States, which is not true.
There are about thirty countries that offer birth right citizenship.
The legal justification that he offers most often comes from
someone called John Eastman. Do you know who John Eastman is? Garrison?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I do not.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Johnny'sman was one of the legal architects of Trump's plan
to overturn the twenty twenty election.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
He has also been indicted in the Georgia case against
Trump and his co conspirators. Johnnysmonan also tried to do
birth a shit about Kamala Harris. Many of you will
be able to draw the line between Karmala Harris and
Barack Obama and perhaps the underlying motivation for their birth
and stuff. But Eastman is contending, I guess that the

(50:39):
quote subjects to the jurisdiction thereof element of the fourteenth
Amendment means that somehow people who live in the United States,
work in the United States, and pay tax in the
United States are not subject to its jurisdiction if they're
not citizens themselves, which look, it doesn't matter how Like
I think the big thing I want you guys to
take away from this is but everything he wants to

(51:01):
do is probably illegal, and none of that really matters, right,
because we'll have a court like he's he's got a
Supreme Court which has but it's packed with Republicans, right,
and it.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Has constantly affirmed his ability to do crimes and get
off with basically no punk.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Yes, yeah, like, this is a man who tried to
do a coup and it's standing for election again, Like
the court system is not going to save us. If
he has enough time and he can and enough political will,
he will try and do this. And I think it's
not unreasonable to expect that he will attempt buy executive
order on the first day of his presidency to take

(51:36):
birthright citizenship away from the children of undocumented migrants. Garrison,
do you know what won't take rights away from your children?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
I forget what food service box we have and therefore
cannot make jokes about on air. But it's one of them.
One of them can, one of them can't. And you
have to know which one, whatever one advertises, is the
good one.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah, always it'll be when they speak really fast at
the end, just just slow that down. You hear them
talking about your children. We're back. We hope you enjoyed
this outwards. The second thing Donald Trump is big mad

(52:19):
about is something called birth tourism. What that he calls
birth tourism?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Right, it's okay, I think, I think I see where
this is going.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, it's when you take a holiday to the the womb,
you go into like a pod and it's very I thought.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
It's where you take a holiday sumwhmer to pop out
of kin and they get automatic citizenship.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
That's what it actually is. Yeah, which is a great plan. Yeah. Yeah,
you go on holiday to like an all inclusive resort
and then you don't have to pay for your birth
expenses because they're included when you go to your inclusive resort.
It's a great deal for everyone.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I didn't I didn't think of that.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yeah, many few people have. But now now the words
out and it might close that loophole. What I think
interesting about his quote unquote birth tourism claims. It's not
like obviously this again has been a right wing talking
point for a long time. Right, it's that in this
particular section of the Agenda forty seven website. He includes

(53:15):
links to provide evidence for some of his claims, which
is a bold move for Donald Trump, a man who
excus evidence. But what he links to is the Center
for Immigration Studies, right, the CIS. The CIS is an
extremely right wing thing tank. It's founded by someone called
John Tantun and it's lifted by the SBLC as a

(53:37):
hate group. The reason it's listed by the SBLC as
a hate group is because it pretty consistently publishes the
work of someone called Jason rich Wine, who is an
unreconstructed race science guy, right, like a modern day phrenologist,
if you will. This is a man who is so
racist that he was forced to resign from the Heritage Foundation.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Oh oh wow.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't know what was possible. Actually it
was quite.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
I didn't know they had like a bar for that. Huh.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
No, two races for the Heritage Foundation.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Is is quite racist gravestone.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Yeah, they probably will after CIS when there's a bit
of a blow up about this is during the first
round presidency and CIS claim they it wouldn't be unusual
to occasionally include a racist or an anti semite, given
the volume of content they put out. So this led
to the Southern Poverty Law Center conducting an analysis of
their weekly newsletter. I'm going to read you a summary

(54:30):
of that analysis now. Southern Poverty Law Center and the
Center for New Community examined approximately four hundred and fifty
of CIS's weekly emails dating back almost ten years and
found that CIS circulated over one thousand, seven hundred articles
from vdare dot com. Garrison's face just looks like they've

(54:53):
stepped in something horrible.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, I have this podcast recording.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, an average of three VEDA articles
every week. Huh yeah, So that that's where Donald Trump
is getting the bulk of his statistics and information, or
at least Donald Trump isn't writing this stuff, right, I
don't think he has the attention span. But whoever is
writing his immigration policy, it is sourcing from vdare.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Do we want to explain what the yeah is?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Go off, Garrison. Let us know.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
So VEDE is like this white nationalist like anti immigration,
not like a lobbying group, but like I kind of.
They produce a whole bunch of rhetoric and talking points
about all of the big risks of immigration. It gets
sent stuff to like Fox News. Trump's used this stuff before.

(55:49):
It's it's not it's not great. They receive like dark
money from conservative like funding groups like Donors Trust. It's
it's it's way to it's finding a whole bunch of
silly ways to try to justify their types of racism.
And they are they are still a problem. They were
founded nearly twenty five years ago and they're still They're

(56:10):
still going.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they they've compared the anti
white rhetoric to the Rwandan genocide before, and just they
What I think is important to hear about v DAY
is that they exist to take straight up hate rhetoric
and insert it to mainstream politics.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
And yes, they take stuff from like actual, like like
very like recognized like white nationalist groups and turn it
into rhetoric that is acceptable on Fox News.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
That is their entire goal.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Yeah, and cis one might argue, exists to take that
VDA stuff and dress it up as research article, statistics
information that might inform policy. There's a bunch of stuff
in his sort of abolished birth right sitsonship that I
don't think we need to get into. He talks a
lot about birth Hotel. He links to a National Affairs

(57:02):
op ed from Peter Shuck and Rogers Smith. These are
the people who have really been like the originators of
the abolished birthright citizenship movement. They wrote a book about it,
I think in nineteen eighty five. It's also worth noting
just so, like Trump repeatedly claims in his little videos
that children can then make their parents citizens as soon

(57:26):
as they become citizens. Like so, if someone was undocumented,
right and their child became a citizen in the child,
you know, five year old child consponsored and for citizenship,
and a way they are now the whole family is
is American citizens right. And then the logic of this
website goes that like Biden imports these people, they all
become citizens, they all vote for the Democrats, right, And

(57:48):
this is sort of the great replacement theory with a
couple more steps. It's worth noting the children have to
be twenty one to sponsor a parent, and if that
parent has entered the country in an undog commented way,
then the parent has to leave for a decade and
then come back to apply. It's not possible to simply
citizenize your parents as soon as you become a citizen

(58:09):
by birth right citizenship. It would be an extremely long
game to try and have a kid in order to
gain your own citizenship. I've met thousands of migrants who
have entered between ports of entry, right, I've never met
anyone who have articulated this this sort of goal, this
this route to citizenship. He then goes on he has

(58:33):
this like like it's literally a bullet pointed list of
border policies.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
These include quote unquote extreme vetting at a quote national
vetting center. That's a little that's a little worrying that
the national vetting center.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Who's going to be doing this vetting? What are they
vetting for? Who are they vetting?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yeah, well the migrants. Who's going to be doing the
vetting probably the people who forced women to have abortions
in their custody and lost thousands of children and have
been able to relocate their families. So that'll be great.
It's not also clear what they're vetting for. He doesn't
say that specifically. He does say that he wants to
quote unleash interior immigration enforcement, which anyone who's lived in

(59:17):
the United States in the last decade may have noticed.
So we in fact have interior immigration.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah, I think that has been unleashed.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
But yeah, it's kind of me as whole Twitter thing.
But yeah, I think I guess this is part of
his massive deportation thing, right, his goal to deport undocumented people.
He does not at any point differentiate between undocumented people
in the asylum secrets. He seems to see them as
one of the same.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all good, dangerous illegals or whatever.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
And anyone crossing the border for any reason other than
with a visa in hand to him, falls into this,
like should be deported.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
If you are a certain skin tone? Yes, yeah, yeah,
VI's a plus. The skin tone is what makes it okay?

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I think it's probably fair. And what
else has he got on his lord list here? Let's see,
there's ending federal grants to sanctuary cities. I'm not quite
sure how he thinks that would work or what exactly
he means by federal grants, like we're just going to
stop having highways in California. That, yeah, yeah, let's return.
I'm ready. I'll be riding my bike everywhere like a king.

(01:00:28):
He also talks about and he calls he ending quote
catch and release at the border. It's not clear what
he means by this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I've certainly heard this term a lot the past year.
Catch and release.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Yeah, and it's like catching release was used to refer
sometimes to Title forty two, a policy that Trump put
in place whereby migrants would be caught and immediately turned
back into Mexico and released there, and they generally try
and cross again. And we've covered it's an entire series
I made on Title forty two. Right. Another of his uh,

(01:01:05):
his weird little bugbears is ending the visa lottery. Are
you familiar with the visa lottery? Garrison? Roughly, but not
super Okay, So the visa lottery is more properly called
something called the Diversity Visa Program. It allows for up
to fifty five thousand immigrant visas a year for individuals
from countries that are underrepresented in the US immigration system.

(01:01:26):
So it's literally there to increase diversity, right, I guess
it's d I. It's d I. He must have recorded
this before di I was a big deal because he
doesn't have that shame.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I'm not sure how much equity there is going to
be in the lottery program.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Yeah, Well, you're about to find out Garrison Okay. Trump
has repeatedly suggested that he believes that this diversity visa
program consists of non US countries raffling off green cards
like you pay and then they draw your number. That
that's not how it works. It's the United States who
decides gets them. It's a computer program that selects about

(01:02:03):
fifty thousand applicants from about fifteen million. I have met
probably hundreds of people who have applied for diversity visas.
I meet them all the time every time I'm traveling
for work. Myanmar, Thailand, Iraq, Kurdistan, and Syria, like You'll
meet people from all these places who have tried to
apply for the system. Most of them end up not

(01:02:23):
getting it because the odds are very slim. Sure, when
they do get it, they then have to go through
a series of vetting processes, and then they have to
make an appointment at a consulate. One of the last
parts of the process making appoints at a consulate to
get an interview. Right, what the Trump administration did last

(01:02:44):
time was stop people from getting appointments at consulates, citing
COVID right that they couldn't with the COVID restriction to
get an appointment. That meant that de facto because you
only have seven months once you get awarded the visa
to fulfill the process us and get the paper visa
and begin your travel. Those people weren't able to get it,
and they had to go back to the start right,

(01:03:06):
which is crushing, Like, I know how much of their
money and hope people allocate to these programs and to
be told like, yeah, you got it, it's incredibly rare,
and then to be like, oh, actually you can't make
the appointment. Screw you. It's crushing. Now the Biden administration,
in all fairness, has restored their right to book an interview,
but it's moved to the bottom of the priority list.

(01:03:27):
So in practice it's still happening that people can be
they can quote unquote win the green card lottery and
still not get a green card. It's a complete mess,
and transporposal lists to entirely do away with it, this
would require legislation that doesn't matter. He also has a
little there's like a one sentence where he claims that

(01:03:47):
Biden's border policies are killing migrants, and weirdly, he links
to an NPR article about it. He's not wrong, like
he is absolutely not wrong. Like but but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The butt is that Donald Trump would kill a lot
more great. I mean yeah, I mean is are those also?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Are those like referring specifically to Biden stuff or like
the stuff that like like that like Governor Abbott's doing,
like what.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
It's the increase in border crossings and bordered deaths from
twenty twenty to present. Much of that is due to
Trump's Title forty two policy that Biden wholeheartedly supported defended
in court. Right, because when people were caught and then
released back across the border, they often they were offered
unlimited crossings by the people who were like helping them cross,

(01:04:35):
or they the facto, had unlimited chances to cross because
they're just being dropped back in Mexico, right, Yeah, They're
often they're dropped without any resources in places where they
have no community. So they try and cross again, and
they end up going to more and more remote places
because they don't want to get caught, right, or so
they end up crossing in the places where there are

(01:04:57):
gaps in the wall. Those tend to be very and
those tend to be the places where people die. So
you can map the deaths and you can you can
see this in real time happen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
And Trump's pretending to find this to be a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Yes, yeah, Trump is very sad about this. He's big sad.
So he's gonna he's gonna make a kind of gender
immigration system. It's garson.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Do you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Do you know what else? It is kinder and gentler
than the immigration system. Well, I guess ads. I mean,
I don't know if ads might kill less people, but
it's really hard to say. Yeah, it's I think they
probably would. I think we can we can confidently say
now that cigarette ads are are What if it's a

(01:05:40):
banana advert, because then you can get into the whole
sort of you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
All right, well here, let's play these ads.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
We're back. Enjoy your fruit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
I love call fruit.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Yeah, and then nothing, Grow your own fruit. That's the
message of this podcast. And then if we didn't have
if we did grow our own fruit, we wouldn't have
destabilized many of the countries that these migrants are coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Beautiful Georgia, peaches.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Yeah, yeah, we destabilized Georgia. A boy can dream. So
there's a couple of other bugbears, little sort of things
that Trump has. One of them is benefits for migrants. Now,
this is something that's been hopping around the right wing
for a while. It's really been more sort of one

(01:06:36):
of their talking points in the last few months. I
think like since right wings stream has certainly started coming
to places where I volunteered on the border, I've heard
them talking about it, and I tried not to hear
them talking, So they might have been talking about it
for and I was just not paying attention. Just be
super clear, undocumented people are not eligible for most benefits.
Even people with legal status have a range of hurdles.

(01:06:57):
Even if you have even if you have a green card,
there's a lot of you can't yes. Yeah, And there
are also public charge rules, which in some cases some
forms of assistants might be a hurdle if you are
looking to change your immigration status, So even if you
had accepted them, that that might stop you moving along
the immigration pathway. That's only for things like SSI and TANF.

(01:07:18):
But I don't think we need to go into the
nitty gritty of it. He claims that people are coming
here to live off benefits he calls quote welfare and
a gigantic magnet drawing people from all over the world.
They want to come to the United States. They want
to feast off the sweat and savings of the American taxpayer.

(01:07:39):
Feasting off sweat is not a beautiful image, but well no,
it's He continues to claim that these migrants also take
American jobs right so at once claiming unemployment benefits and
taking American jobs. And again, like, I don't think Donald
Trump stuff has to line up for it to be dangerous.

(01:08:02):
Just to like inject a moment of factual analysis. Again,
you have to wait at least five months after applying
for work permit. When you arrivee her as a refugee
to get a work permit. You may not apply straight away.
Many people wait for a year or more without the
right to work. Undocumented workers working under the table, a

(01:08:23):
hugely underpaid, very frequently abused, and the reason again where
your fruit is cheap. He says in his Day one
plan that he's going to stop migrant workers taken American
jobs by having like American hiring provisions for all federal agencies.
Federal agencies are not hiring undocumented people.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah, that's simply not happening.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
That is just that is like, believe me, I am
a person who has been a migrant to this country.
The amount of bullshit you have to go to to
even do a government job like teaching is a large
amount of bullshit. And they absolutely are not hiring undocumented people.
I bring this garrison to the final pillar of the

(01:09:04):
Trump immigration policy and fit one garrison. I want you
to take a moment to listen to this clip of
Donald Trump explaining the well researched information that he uses
to develop his immigration policy.

Speaker 6 (01:09:16):
I was thrilled to host a screening at Bedminster of
the important new film Sound of Freedom, about the power
of faith in overcoming evil, and in particular the evil
of child trafficking, big problem. We had it down to
the lowest number in many years just four years ago,
and now it's gone through the roof, even though the

(01:09:37):
fake news media has tried to ignore it. Sound of
Freedom has been a national sensation and a colossal success
at the box office.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Really big numbers.

Speaker 6 (01:09:47):
Everyone should see it. This is a very important film
and very important movie, and it's a very important documentary
all wrapped up in one.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Oh wow, that's crazy, yeah film. Yeah, it's like you're
sliding another I there in between L and M.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
I've heard spoken around the world, and I've never heard
that pronounced that way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Curious choice.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Yeah, just a fascinating man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
I mean yeah, besides the point like most of those
Had A Freedom tickets were but by right wing billionaires
and were completely empty seats.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
He goes on to detail the exact number of dollars
it took in the opening week to talk about how
it's such a success. Yes, decent, A decent amount of
his entire child drafting policy. Is him describing the film
The Freedom. It's incredible, like that was that was a

(01:10:54):
gift that I did not. This is if you read
the transcript, you miss out on some of these absolute
easter eggs Trump leaves for us.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
I think I think I saw a clip of him
at a rally recently where he was talking about Center
Freedom and he also said it like that, No, it
was I know what it was. It was talking about
David Lynch. When there was that misquote about about Lynch
saying like like Trump seems like like like an energetic
guy or something, and he's like Philim Pillim director David

(01:11:22):
Lynch endorsed me for president. It's like, okay, that's not whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Yeah, then he's uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
So he's he's been saying this way for like almost
ten years at least, because that's insane.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Actually yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Because because that yeah, because that clip was from like
the twenty fifteen campaign rallies.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Wow, it's so it's not Yeah, wow, the power of
simility an incredible thing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
If any anyone else, anyone we could do like the
NPR thing, if you if they said film where you
come from?

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I don't think anyone else, says Phil, I really don't
think so.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Yeah, no, no, there's not a Yeah, he just comes
up with this stuff from a blank slate. Well that's cool, Yeah,
anyone else is cool.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
It's uh, this is all of this video is called
like Trump calls for a death penalty.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Yeah, and we're.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Laughing and we're laughing about pronunciation.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Yeah. Well, unfortunately, Garrison, it's time to stop laughing because yes,
Donald Trump, I'm going to outline a death penalty thing. Quote.
I will urge Congress to ensure that anyone caught trafficking
children across our border receives the death penalty immediately. And
that includes also for women, because women, as you know,
are number one in trafficking children are actually number two.

(01:12:37):
That's the sentence which you could pick apart for a
long time. What does he mean by trafficking That is
extremely unclear. He seems to mean the arrival of people
in the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Right, Like, that's kind of what it sounds like. Yeah, Like,
it sounds like it just means crossing the border.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Yes, yeah, he well because he he also says, quote,
I will use Title forty two to end the child
trafficking crisis by returning all traffic children to their families
in their home countries and without delay. I made an
entire fucking series on Title forty two. I recorded it
in a week, and then I wrote it in a week,
and then we edited it. And it has destroyed me
and I have never recovered. Title forty two does absolutely

(01:13:20):
nothing about child trafficking. Title forty two returns all migrants
or anyone crossing the border between ports of entry to Mexico,
which suggests that he sees all these people as trafficked, right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
It also absolutely does not reunite children with their families.
This is the administration that separated families at the border
and has in some cases been unable to find the
parents of the children. It's separated. Friends of mine have
worked for a very long time, very hard, absolutely not
for the Trump administration, trying to find those people's families.

(01:13:54):
But it's really interesting that he is talking about Title
forty two again. Title forty two, if you're not familiar,
as a public health law, right, it's to stop the
introduction of infectious disease into United States. It's a very
old law that was initially designed around tuberculosis. So, and
we know that the Trump administration planned to use Title

(01:14:14):
forty two before coronavirus was a Coronavirus is already a
thing before COVID nineteen with the thing right, So he's
just being completely open about his idea to manipulate public
health law in a way that allows him to do
things immigration law would not allow him to do.

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
He also finishes up, I guess by making his claim
once again he goes back to the well that is
the fucking border war. Right. I'm just going to quote here.
We created the most secure border in US history, dealing
a major blow to the cartels in traffickers. We built
hundreds of miles of war, we renovated hundreds of miles
of war, we built hundreds of miles of war. We

(01:14:56):
never had anything like it. And then I got Mexico
free of charge to give us twenty eight thousand soldiers
to protect us from people coming into our country illegally.
It's not going to surprise anyone that this is bullshit, right.
Trump first made this hundreds of miles of war claim
in a debate with Biden. I filed a foyer for

(01:15:16):
a new war building that night. The best estimate I
can come up with, based on the documents I got
from Foyer and from other people's foyers, is that they
built about eighty five miles of new war. They did
replace several hundred miles of war, and in some cases
that went from a pretty insignificant barrier to a pretty
large one. The twenty eight thousand soldier thing this will
shock you was also not true. There was an agreement

(01:15:38):
at twenty nineteen with Mexico that didn't list a specific
number of troops, but it did say that most of
them will be in the southern half of the country
and Mexico's border with Guatemala. He then goes on just
a complete tangent where he says I will rage war
on the cartels, just as I destroyed the ISIS Caliphate
one hundred percent gone, one hundred percent destroyed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Uh yeah, that's why that in Russia.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, it's all gone. Yeah.
ISIS car bombed the street that I stayed on a
couple of weeks after I left in October.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Like, this is why the ISIS press people are like
begging people to like to believe that ISIS is like
still a thing. They're like, no, please, We're still real,
We're still around, please, I'm a real boy. Yeah exactly, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Yeah, yeah, the Pinocchio Isis. That'll be a highly entertaining film. Look,
I want to finish up by saying here that, like,
as we saw in Donald Trump's first term, his malice
is really only matched by his incompetence, and his incompetence
at the border is much less important. I guess He's

(01:16:44):
been able to be more competent at the border than
he has been anywhere else in enacting his policies. He
managed to do plenty of things in his first term
that are unconstitutional, because the system only really works when
the people playing the game agree that the rules of
the game are more important than the outcome, and that's
not the case with Donald Trump, Right. We know that
the fact that he dedicated so much of his agenda

(01:17:05):
forty seven pages to migration tells us that peddling great
replacement theories is going to be a major part of
his campaign and a major part of his second term
if he gets one. The sources that he links to
here tell us that he's as addicted to right wing
rage bait as he ever was, and that he's still
surrounded by cranks and crackpots with fringe on the flag
level conspiracy theories. None of this stuff, none of my

(01:17:27):
suggestions that what he's saying is false or illegal or
impossible under the constitution mean that it's not dangerous.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
I would have told you in twenty sixteen that it
was illegal to bounce people back to Mexico without hearing
their asylum claims, because it is. But we had it
under a democratic president for three years. We had it
under Trump for a year. Right, it still happened. He
succeeded in moving the border and migration debate massively to
the right, and we have Biden advocating for things that

(01:17:58):
would not have flown like that. Clinton would have been
a ghast at right, and just by Trump making this
an issue, even if he doesn't get elected in November,
Biden's going to try and fight him on this by
claiming that he too is tough on the border, he
too is tough on these fictional things like the taking
of American jobs or migrants claiming public benefits or birthright

(01:18:21):
citizenship right that Biden has completely failed to plow his
own path on this, and he said he's entirely reactive
to Trump. So I think I guess the big take
home here is that whatever happens in November, things that
the border are going to be terrible, just like they're
terrible now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
And and you can't just rely on politicians to do
things at the border, like there's actually like you can't
just push it away, be like, oh, now that so
and so is in charge, now I don't have to
think about It'd be like, well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
That's the whole fucking problem, right. The reason that we
are so broke, the reason that I personally am so
broken and my truck is falling apart, is that that
is what people are doing. At least with Trump. We
got money in twenty eighteen when he held the MI
caravan at the border in Tijuana. My friends and I
were there doing mutual aid, and we did just what
we're doing now in a cumba right. We fed people,

(01:19:10):
we bought them blankets, we took care of them, and
we stole them from dying. But at least libs sent
us money, like we had tons of money. I remember
spending one thousand dollars on soft toys in the Costco
in Tijuana. That doesn't happen anymore because people think that
they voted for the kind, gentle, nice guy. And I guess, like,
I want people to look at this with the understanding

(01:19:31):
that whatever happens at the ballot box, like you need
to help with a board it because neither of these
politicians are going to That's my speech. Thank you for
listening to our podcast. Anything else, Garrison.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
No, No, But we will be back tomorrow with more exciting,
exciting news about Yeah, what are we looking about sell
an agenda either, Actually I don't know because we have
not planned it out that far ahead. Throughout the rest
of the week, we'll be talking about Trump's plans for
handling the gender question, trump declaring war on cartels, and

(01:20:05):
his plans to fix the pharmaceutical industry. So all stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
I can't wait.

Speaker 7 (01:20:29):
Welcome zacodapp gear podcast where the future president wants us
to die and the current president doesn't give a shit.

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
I'm your host Miah Wong with me as Garrison.

Speaker 8 (01:20:38):
Hi.

Speaker 7 (01:20:39):
Okay, so we're covering another aspect of Trump's agenda forty seven.
All right, we're looking at President Trump's plan to protect
children from left wing gender insanity. Now, despite that title,
this is the least trumpy of all of these. He
is just phoning this one the fucking It's the most

(01:21:01):
hymn reading off a teleprompter I've ever seen in any
speech he's ever given.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Because historically he's never cared about this kind of stuff.
He's just having to do it now to appease the
people he needs to get votes from. But like, if
you look at Trump's stances on transgender people historically, however,
not good. They're not like a genocidyl. And you can
really tell his heart, isn't it. It's in some of
these he I.

Speaker 7 (01:21:26):
Mean, legitimately, he sounds like so someone doing an ad
read for a Raige Shadow Legend.

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
Sponsorship, Like it's it's he's so bored.

Speaker 7 (01:21:35):
There's like one It's funny because you can tell this
is something I started happening in the middle of the administration.
Was you could tell when his speech writers were just
writing in a Trump word for him to say so
it would look less like he was And they're doing
it in this one. There's only like one genuinely trumpy
thing in this Unfortunately, it all fucking sucks ass, It's
quite bleak. So let's let's get into what exactly is

(01:21:57):
in this. I would love to hear Trump's plan for
the true genders. Yeah, so first he wants to end
Biden's executive order on gender affirming care. Now you might
be asking, wait, meal.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
What the fu?

Speaker 8 (01:22:09):
Wait what executive what executive order? I looked this up too,
because I was like, wait, what is he talking about?
So apparently, back in twenty twenty two, Biden issued a
series of executive orders that were supposed to protect the
rights of trans kids to get gender affirming care.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
So that didn't happen.

Speaker 7 (01:22:26):
No, no, no, now these weren't. Yeah, these were mostly
stunningly ineffective. Well let's let's I'm going to quote from
I finally found the actual executive which is disturbingly hard
to find. The actual text of because everyone just wanted
you to read the press release, because what's actually in
it is, okay, the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall,

(01:22:47):
as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, used the Department
of Health and Human Services authority to project LGBTQI plus
individuals access to medically necessary care from harmful state and
local laws and practices. And I'll promote the adoption of
promising policies and practices to support health equity, including in
the area of mental health for LGBTQI youth and adults.

(01:23:08):
Within two hundred days of this order, the Secretary of
HHS SE develop and release sample policies for states to
safeguard and expand access to health care for LGBTQI individuals
and their families, including mental health care services. Now, let's
pull out for one second to try to figure out

(01:23:29):
what does that actually do. So what is being done there.
The thing that is being commanded is that the Department
of Health and Human Services make sample guidelines for state.
And then there's another part where they were talking about
how they were going to form a committee to study
trans mental health care. Uh huh, so none of this

(01:23:51):
did shit right, But this is the first thing that
Trump's like, we're going to overturn this. I guess the
actual substantive shift here is and we'll get to this
in a bit. This didn't do anything. This was just
a pr op he does. And this is funny because
he does a series of these things every single trans
day of visibility, and then nothing ever happens because ye
as joke.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
We've had like so many states since twenty twenty two
completely restrict healthcare for trans people under the age of eighteen,
and I've not heard of a single instance where the
federal government has intervened to to help to help a
kid get puberty blockers in in a state like where
they passed these sorts of bills.

Speaker 7 (01:24:34):
I will say this, The Justice Department has done lawsuits, sure, sure,
and I think they won like one of them. So
that's not literally nothing, it's just mostly nothing like And
then this is the thing. It's coming through the judiciary,
not through the federal bureaucracy. And that's a point of
contrast that I want to get to because Trump, you know,
and this is something that's that's always been true about

(01:24:56):
sort of the use of executive power by democratic versus
Republican presidents, right, sure, you know there are Like the
Democrats sometimes do use like massive executive power overreach, things like,
for example, Obama's claimed to have the legal authority to
kill any man, woman, or child moment they self off
the US or regardless of citizenship status, the thing that
he used to kill a sixteen year old American citizen

(01:25:17):
in Yemen, So that he does that sometimes, right, But
they don't do anything useful with it. And now let's
get to what Trump is going to do with this quote.
Sign a new executive order instructing every federal agency to
cease all programs to promote the concept of sex and
gender and transition at any age. Ask Congress to permanently
stop federal taxpayer dollars from being used to promote or

(01:25:40):
pay for these procedures. Okay, so that's bad. What exactly
this does is kind of murky. We're going to talk
about planned parenthood in a second, because there's another one
of these proposals that's a lot worse for plant parenthood, and.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
I guess that'd be going after some level of like
government insurance. If you're trying to get medical care paid
for if you have government insurance, I guess that'd be
what that's trying to target.

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
Yeah, I think there's like two things.

Speaker 7 (01:26:09):
One and I think this is the main target is well,
I don't know, it's sort of unclear, but the two
main targets I think are any kind of federal education
program that talks about queer people. Sure, and then the
second one. Yeah, it's like if you're in the military,
you won't be able to transition anymore because or if
and this is actually a pretty big deal because there
are a lot of federal employees. The federal employees health

(01:26:31):
insurance would no longer cover any gender for macare. And
this is for everyone, right because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Not Unfortunately a lot of transgender employees at the dot yep.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
So that's very bad.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Why those drones?

Speaker 7 (01:26:48):
Oh god, oh you meant oh the you had DoD, Yes,
the department, But no, you said do two probably a
transportation I was like, well, yeah, that too.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
There's a bunch of well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Yes, because yes, I meant, I meant the DoD.

Speaker 7 (01:27:04):
Yeah, no, you know, it's bad. There's an open question
here about how exactly this works. So one question that
I'm genuinely not sure about. There's a possibility this works
like abortion funding where I So federal money can't go
to promoting abortions. I think there's some very weird stuff

(01:27:26):
with U said money overseas, So sometimes happens, but I
don't know someone I'm not I'm not a USCID expert.
But you know, so for example, you so if you
are a clinic that does abortions, right, you can take
federal money. You just can't use the federal money for
the abortions. So it's possible that you know, for example,

(01:27:46):
so one of the one of the the influm consent
clinics in Chicago takes federal money for HIV treatment. Under
this wording, it seems like they could still get federal
funding for that, but they couldn't take any money for
gender firming care. But also so Congress could just pass
a bill that stops I'm pretty sure it could pass
a bill that stops all funding for anyone who does this.
So you know, this is something that's kind of interesting

(01:28:09):
about these is that this stuff is all very very bad.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
It's also not quite.

Speaker 7 (01:28:16):
The maximalist genocidal policy yet, I think in large part
because they haven't taken power and because the groups who
are like pushing this stuff This is actually kind of
an older this. This is from February twenty twenty three,
So okay, it's actually a lot older than a lot
of the other stuff here. And even even back like

(01:28:38):
in twenty twenty three, the beginning of the year, stuff
was less radical than.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
It is now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Yeah, that was before the big we must eliminate transgenderism.
Yeah thing that started with the Daily Wire, and then
Trump mirrored some of that rhetoric in his like a
seapack talk from that spring. Yeah, it was kind of
a ramp up like on some of like the quote
unquote transgender ism rhetoric really was getting more popular on
that time. The kind of groomer rhetoric from the year previous,

(01:29:06):
twenty twenty two is starting to kind of fade away,
and they were finding a new thing to replace it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:29:11):
So there's a good, just decent chance that this stuff
is all actually much worse when it gets implanted. That's
the way it's written right now, as best as I
can tell. So the third one, and this one is
a fiasco. Any hospital or healthcare provider who either gives
up puberty blockers or does genderfirming surgery for miners, or

(01:29:31):
gives hormones to miners can't accept Medicare or Medicaid, they
get knocked off of the approved list. Okay, so that
is a huge deal because that immediately knocks out planned parenthood.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
Who you plan pair?

Speaker 7 (01:29:44):
Who gets this like Sophie's choice thing of either you
don't provide puberty blockers like you, you don't provide gender
firming care of either like either sort of hormones or
puberty blockers to kids, or you lose every single person
who uses Medicare Medicaid. And that's a lot of people.
That's like I've seen numbers that suggest it's like forty

(01:30:05):
percent of people who use Planned parenthood use particularly Medicare,
And this is a complete fiasco.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
I also wonder how this would impact like cis, children
who need to be put on puberty blockers, because people
forget that, like puberty blockers have been a thing for
like decades and decades that are like well proven to
be safe and effective for delaying puberty. It does not
stop puberty from happening altogether. It does not cast straight
you permanently or in any of these kind of wild claims.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:30:39):
Well, and the stuff that's weird here too is like
it's the language they're using is really inflammatory shit, So
it's actually deeply unclear what the fuck they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
So, I mean, and I've read a lot of these
sorts of bills, even like the Arkansas bill targeting IVF.
When these politicians are questioned about some of the language
that would, ultimately, if written and acted upon as written,
would like block a whole bunch of regular medical procedures
from happening, they're often confused about why they're being asked
about this because they're like, no, obviously things will continue

(01:31:10):
on as normal, and if we have to amend the
bill to like change this one little thing, then we'll
do that. They don't actually think about all the little
tiny ways that this will also just like interferes with
like regular medical science. Yeah, and they just need digital
care because they know it's because they're never in a
prosecute for stuff like that. It just isn't it. They're

(01:31:30):
genuinely not thinking about those other use cases at all.

Speaker 7 (01:31:35):
Yeah, And like I'm going to read the first sentence
the first one of these, like the text of it
revoke Joe Biden's cruel policies on so called gender affirming
care and quotes a process that includes giving kids puberty blockers,
mutating their physical appearance, and ultimately performing surgery on minor children.
So that's like not real, that's not what gender affirming

(01:31:57):
care is. So but the thing is right, it's fucking
impossible to tell whether this would result in them actually
banning all gender affirming care whatsoever, which includes other stuff
as well, or if it's just a more limited ban
like who the fuck knows, because they're not being specific
at all, so this can mutate into a whole bunch

(01:32:17):
of stuff. One of the other immediate sort of impacts
of banning, particularly of banning medicaid, is that like there's
a lot of trans people on it, because trans people
are significantly poorer than SIS people. So I mean, just
just to take like a random statistic op so, the
unemployment rate right now in the US is three point
eight percent. The unemployment rate for trans people is eighteen percent,

(01:32:39):
which is nineteen thirty five great depression levels of unemployment.
So you know, if you're a transperson out there and
you're listening to people tell you how great the economy is,
and you're like, what the fuck is going on, the
answer is that you literally do not live in the
same world as the cist people who are telling you this.
You live the nineteen nineteen thirty five Great Depression. So yeah,

(01:32:59):
and you know, so, so cutting off one of the
ways that people can access medical care if they you know,
can't afford it is a fucking disaster.

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
This is going to I don't like, presumably if this.

Speaker 7 (01:33:13):
Goes through with, the only way that you're going to
be able to get like gender affirming care if you're
a kid is by having rich parents and going to
like some kind of clinic that doesn't take Medicaid Medicare Medicaid. Yeah,
so you know what else doesn't take Medicare Medicaid?

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
Actually who knows? I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:33:32):
Look, it's a bad time to ad pivots. Okay, so
we're back, So okay, now, having gone into all of
that detail, Number four is just quote pass a law

(01:33:55):
prohibiting child sexual mutilation in all fifty states.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
So this is see, this is this is a great
example of the thing I was just talking about, how like, theoretically,
if one was as smart ass, you'd be like, oh,
so you're banning circumcision. You're like, no, of course not,
because they're they're not thinking about this sort of thing.
This is this is like yeah, no, it's it's just yeah,
trans kids can't get which also like almost never happens.

(01:34:21):
There may be like one or two very bizarre like
outliers where someone has gone through extensive therapy from a
very young age that might result in them receiving such
surgery at like sixteen or seventeen, but that is such
a minuscule amount that that simply just does not happen. Yeah,
in any real statistical notion, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
But I mean, but this is one of these things.

Speaker 7 (01:34:41):
It's hard because it's like, okay, so like what are
they actually what are they talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
And the answer is who the fuck knows.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
This cure they think this is happening?

Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
Well no, But but also.

Speaker 7 (01:34:51):
Like because like the you know, one of the things
that they do here, right is they'll they'll talk about
female like they'll talk about like general and mutilations like whatever.
But they're also include in a like puberty blockers.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Yeah, of course because because to them, peuty blockers are
like a chemical castration device.

Speaker 7 (01:35:07):
Yeah, and it's all you know, this is one of
these things. But you know, but the thing I should
mention about this one that is, I don't know. It's
something I'm short of resident to talk about because I
I don't know, like, I don't like I'm torn between
wanting to spread panic and wanting to be like, well,
this is probably what's going to happen. But there's a

(01:35:29):
non zero chance that with how far this stuff has gone,
they Republicans take the House in the Senate, that this
bill turns into just a full band, because that's what's
being pushed for now by the sort of constituencies that
this stuff is for. It's just like a full band
and all care. It's way less popular than even the
anti TRANSCITD stuff, which is not very popular. But on

(01:35:50):
the other hand, like this is I mean, this entire
thing is just Trump sort of like being like yeah,
sure whatever to these like these weird anti transdiptions.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Yeah, there certainly are a percentage of Republican politicians and
like right wing influencers who do want some of these
bills to expand up to just including everyone or everyone
under the edge of twenty five. As as we've mentioned before,
I still don't think there's it's it's it's too far
off to say whether or not this is like something

(01:36:24):
to actually like worry about in any in any real sense.
It's it's it's too murky.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:36:30):
But on the other hand, he is he is very
explicit on just banning all banning care for minors. Like
that's this thing that he's very like, that's just in
the text.

Speaker 5 (01:36:40):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:36:41):
The next one is one of the this is like
one of the sort of almost every bill that gets
passed by a state legislature now has this provision that
creates like quote the private right of action for victims
to sue doctors for anyone who got any kind of
gender for mccare as a minor.

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
This is We've talked about this on the show before.
This is this is you know, this is.

Speaker 7 (01:37:03):
A thing that lets d transgrifters who think that God
talks to them like try to go and destroy like
doctors and clinics. Yeah, it's one of the tactics that
they use to try to like run people who they
can't otherwise go after legally out of existence. So you know,
that's like a that's just a sort of normal, classic

(01:37:26):
anti trans thing that they want to bring to And well,
I guess the other important part of it is is
having this on a national level, lets them target clinics
in like blue states that they otherwise normally wouldn't be
able to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Yeah, I mean, that's the big goal of a lot
of this federal stuff is being able to actually have
it effect, like in New York, California, the other half
of the country. Whereas because right wing governors are doing
all this sort of stuff in a lot of the
red states, but that is not satisfying to a lot
of these people. They the reason why this is being
pushed on off level is to try to put as

(01:38:01):
much pressure on blue states as they can, just out
of the desire for sheer human misery. Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:38:09):
Now speaking of the desire for human misery. So there
is just a there is one very trump one that
I've actually haven't seen before, quote direct the Department of
Justice to investigate big pharma and the big hospital networks
to determine whether they deliberately covered up horrific long term
side effects of quote sex transitions to get rich at
the expense of vulnerable patients, or illegally marketed hormones and

(01:38:32):
puberty blockers which are in no way licensed or approved
for this use.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
That's that's deeply fundy because it's just like nothing he's
saying is real.

Speaker 7 (01:38:42):
No, like, all that's fake. The long term side effects
of sex transition is being extremely based and cool, but.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
No, like there's also there's just nothing to support any
of that notion. So even if the DJ does investigate this,
they're not gonna find anything because no one's trying to
market testosterone or estrogen to like make money off of it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
This is one thing that certain freaks at the Daily
Wire try to like talk about being like, Ooh, the
shady pharmaceutical companies are making all this money off of estrogen.
It just isn't true because not Yeah, most people aren't
paying for estrogen anyway, They're getting it through like health
insurance that the most I have to pay for is
the fucking needles.

Speaker 7 (01:39:18):
Well and also and also think about estrogen, is like
the majority of the people who get estrogen urs sists women.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
Yes, yes, Like so.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
The majority of people who get testosterone are male bodybuilders.

Speaker 7 (01:39:31):
Yeah, And it's like, like, have you ever fucking tried to
like get a like get like like even something like
facial feminization surgery, which is like technically speaking, is like
a fairly highly paid from when use plastic surgeon do
you know how long the waiting lists are for that
you can't even pay them to do this to you.
You have to pay them and then wait for fucking

(01:39:53):
years because no one does it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
It's like it's it's something that I think coming off
of like the epidemic, we have certain influencers online who
are trying to like find different ways to tie in
big pharma to whatever thing they're currently talking about, and
they're trying to do that with trans healthcare, and it
just it is Honestly, it doesn't the reason why you
hardly get talked about because because it doesn't lead anywhere.

(01:40:16):
It'll get a passing mentioned and the what is a
Woman documentary, it'll get this passing mentioned by Trump, but
like you don't actually see anything on the legislative level
actually targeting this because it's just there's just nothing to do.
There's nothing to investigate. Also, all of these drugs are
approved and tested for all of these things. Yeah, yeah,
it happened for like decades, so like it's it's it's

(01:40:36):
simply not real.

Speaker 7 (01:40:38):
Yeah, I mean, this is the thing where I think
the actual effect of this with DJ would just be
Trump doing like random witch hunts and like going through
and like rating patients files for shit, which.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Like Peppa, Heppa, you're not allowed, not allowed.

Speaker 7 (01:40:52):
I don't think the trumpets this department is gonna give us.
So well, here's the thing. Is the Supreme Court going
to stop them? No, of course, this ree courd is
not gonna stop.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Like this is such a non problem because there's just
nothing to do here.

Speaker 7 (01:41:05):
Yes, but it's like I don't know, like I think
the prospect of Trump realizing he could actually just do
unlimited judicial tyranny and do whatever the fuck he wants
in the Supreme Court, like sure seven to two will
be like, yeah, cops have the right to like execute
trans prisoners or some ship.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Yeah, but that's not what's currently being talked about.

Speaker 7 (01:41:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, But I mean I do I
do think there'll be sort of like fake scare mongeri investigations.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
I don't sure.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
I just don't think it'll lead. I just don't think
it'll lead anywhere. I think it's mostly just like a
wild goose chase to satisfy whatever fucking person who watches
too many right wing podcasts on YouTube. So like it's
it's I don't see this as anything like super pressing
the next one I think.

Speaker 7 (01:41:48):
Actually could be real, depending on how motivated they are
to do it. So the next one, so this is
a ban on teachers and anyone who works. So this
this is this is supposed to be a directive sent
down from the Department of Education, and it says no
one who works for a school, So no teachers or
any school administration can tell a kid that they might

(01:42:08):
be trans and that the consequences for this are civil
like civil rights like investigations into them, and also the
elimination of federal funding for any school district where this happens. Okay,
and that's this is effect What this effectively is is
a threat to cut off federal funding from states if
they don't implement what is effectively a don't say trans bill.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
That one.

Speaker 7 (01:42:33):
I think that one's going to be pretty real. It
kind of depends on the extent to which the Department
of Education is willing to spend a bunch of time
going through individual cases. But you know, like, given that
it's possible that Department of Education just gets filled with
a bunch of like deranged Trump weirdos, I think there's
a real chance that this one actually goes through and

(01:42:55):
does stuff yeah. And the other thing without that one
is because because that's a directive through federal agencies, he
doesn't it doesn't have to go through Congress, which is
sort of alarming. It's I don't know, It's one of
these things where it's the question of how powerful is
the federal bureaucracy going to be? And I tend to
lean towards the side of the federal bureaucracy has an
imense capacity to cause harm. The last part is try.

(01:43:19):
He wants to get a bill in Congress that ends
all recognition of their being non binary people and saying
that the only genders are men and women. So this
would do things immediately like getting rid of like the
ex gender marker on passports and only recognizing people's to
sign gender at birth, which means the government is now
saying that only to like, only two genders exist, and

(01:43:42):
also that the federal bureaucracy gets to assign you a gender,
which is, you know, normally the exact kind of federal
tyranny the Republican Party decries, but you know, they hate us.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Do they ever? Do they ever actually decry that sort
of tyranny.

Speaker 7 (01:43:56):
Federal Why federal tyranny they're supposed to. I think it's
to be their thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
It's also less like the federal government declaring your gender.
It's like whatever random doctor fills out that.

Speaker 7 (01:44:07):
Yeah, for sure, but sure, but the the but the
government now is forcing you to, in their eyes, be
whatever gender that they decide that you want.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Yes, And we've had we've had some stuff like this
try to get passed through in Europe and certain certain
certain US states for like their own state ideas.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Yes, So that's part. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:44:28):
Why this bill is these three things lumped together, but
it's the bill. This specific bill is this one using
Title nine to stop transfoman from playing in women's sports
in college or in schools. Sure, and then protecting the
right of the parent to keep your kid from transitioning,
which is fucking So that's fascinating because protecting the right

(01:44:50):
of the parent to make to have your kid not
transition that that's some really interesting wording there. Yeah, well,
so let me read the exactly. The exact wording is
protect the right of parents from being forced to allow
their child to assume a new gender identity without the parents' consent.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Yes, so they're referring to the types of parental Bill
of Rights laws. Yeah, that have passed in at like
six Republican states. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:45:15):
So the last one I think is really interesting and
it kind of gives the game away as to what
this is all, like, what the actual point of this
is for someone like Trump who's not that interested, doesn't
like transile but isn't that interested. And this one, okay,
I'm going to read it first. As part of our
new credentialing system, a credentialing body for teachers, we will

(01:45:37):
promote positive education about the nuclear family, the role of
mothers and fathers, and celebrating rather than erasing the things
that make men and women different and unique. Sure, so
this is literally this is this is legislating institutional like
sexism education. Yes, And you know, we've talked about the
credentialing stuff. It's unclear to me how this would work.

(01:46:00):
It's not it's not quite the same credentialing thing that
you were talking about. But basically, this is a federal
mandate that says that you can't be a teacher without
teaching sexism, which.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Is I'm sure, I'm sure the teachers unions will love
to take that one on.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:46:16):
Well, you know, I'm I and this is one of
the things that I I don't know. I mean, you
have to like go into like walk in with a
stick and beat them on it. But I am so
excited for the Trump administration has to deal with an
actual national teacher strike. Like, have fun with that one,
you dip shits.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
This is why these types of conservatives really really hate
teachers unions.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Yeah, they frame teachers unions as being like one of
like the most evil lobbying forces in America because they
really don't like that they don't have complete total control
over teaching kids whatever kind of fucked up nuclear family
patriarchal bullshit that they want to like mandate by law.

Speaker 7 (01:47:00):
Yeah, and so they're going to attempt to do They're
they're they're they're they're going to attempt to every every
They're gonna they're gonna make everyone watch a shitty Matt
Walsh documentary or some ship. And if you complain about it,
they they they prosecute you under the Civil Rights Act
for being good luck discrimination or something. So that's that's

(01:47:22):
that's that's Trump's plan to protect children from left wing
gender insanity. It's really quite bad. As funny as some
of it is. I mean, it's a bunch of gender
firming care bands sort of stitch together with stuff trying
to knock hospitals out from doing it. Stitch to the

(01:47:44):
just the sexism law.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Very cool.

Speaker 7 (01:47:49):
Yeah, it's quite bad. Come back tomorrow for probably even worse.

Speaker 6 (01:47:54):
Ship.

Speaker 7 (01:47:55):
Don't remember which one is tomorrow, but you'll.

Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
We'll find out when we do.

Speaker 9 (01:48:15):
Hello, welcome, This is it could happen here and I
am Sharene. Today we are continuing to talk about Agenda
forty seven and this episode is about quote unquote big Pharma.
Trump often goes after big Pharma in his campaign rhetoric,
and there is a lot of content within Agenda forty
seven that addresses what he views as the problems with

(01:48:36):
the pharmaceutical industry. In his first campaign for president, Donald
Trump tapped into bipartisan anger over high drug prices to
bash pharmaceutical companies. In his latest run for president, he
is echoing more extreme elements of his party to suggest
that the industry's products may be hurting Americans, particularly children.

(01:48:58):
Using children in this way is usually a tried and
true tactic to make people get up in arms about something,
and it works especially on those who may be less informed,
and there are a plethora of reasons as to why
our healthcare system is absolute shit and completely sucks, and
it's more often a hindrance to the average American. But

(01:49:19):
when Trump continues to spout unfounded and dangerous claims about
the pharmaceutical industry, all this does is further undermine public
health and any remaining faith that Americas have in it.
It reflects how deeply the mistrust of health institutions and
anti science rhetoric have become embedded, especially within a sizeable
faction of the Republican Party, following the pandemic. Trump's comments

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about drug makers, posted in policy proposals and videos on
his campaign website have largely flown under the radar, as
his campaign speeches have doubled down on extreme rhetoric, like
his use of anti immigration language and praise of foreign authoritarians.
One of the Jenda forty seven proposals on Trump's campaign
website is called Addressing the Rise of Chronic Childhood Illnesses,

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and it cites a quote unexplained and alarming growth in
the prevalence of chronic illnesses and health problems, especially in children.
End quote. In a June twenty twenty three video that
was posted to truth Social Trump questions whether the food
we eat, environmental toxins, or the quote over prescription of
certain medications is contributing to this increase of chronic health

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problems and illnesses in children. In the video, Trump says,
too often our public health establishment is too close to
big pharma. They make a lot of money big pharma,
big corporations, and other special interests does not want to
ask the tough questions about what is happening to our
children's health. If big pharma defrauds American patients and taxpayers,

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or puts profits above people, they must be investigated and
held accountable. Trump goes on to call for a quote
special presidential can mission of independent minds who are not
bought and paid for by big pharma to investigate the
rise of chronic illness. Interestingly enough, Trump's language around childhood
illness is reminiscent of Robert F. Kennedy Junior's views, who

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has been a prominent vaccine skeptic running for president as
an independent, and he has been praised by Trump as
a quote common sense guy. In a video on his
campaign website, Kennedy promises to quote end the chronic disease
epidemic in this country. Kennedy has promoted the discredited theory
that vaccines cause autism, and though he doesn't directly make

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this claim in the video, he previously tied the quote
children's health crisis to quote environmental toxins and vaccines in
an ebook published by The Children's Health Defense, which he
also founded. Kennedy's campaign spokesperson Stephanie Spear said that Kennedy
is pleased that Trump is highlighting the rise in childhood disease.

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Trump's attention to the issue testifies to the success of
the Children's Health Defense, she said, and many other activist
organizations in putting the chronic disease epidemic on the political radar.
And while it is true that the rate of conditions
including disabilities, mental health diagnoses, ADHD diagnoses, and obesity, they

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have gone up among children in recent years, and this
is according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, there are
numerous and complex social, health and environmental factors that underlie
these numbers. Increased awareness and better ability to diagnose some
conditions are believed to be contributing factors. Vaccine scientist and
pediatrician Peter Hotez said Trump's conspiratorial language is unhelpful, as

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the anti vaccine movement in recent years has sought to
tie vaccines to a range of chronic diseases.

Speaker 4 (01:52:51):
Quote.

Speaker 9 (01:52:51):
Now that the far right has adopted the anti vaccine movement,
it's very conspiracy laden. The anti vaccine movement's rhetoric on
chronic illnesses now being voiced by Trump is so vague
and badly crafted. He says, how do you even address it?
Hotels want to say that it gives them a license
to bring up any condition they want, whether it's asthma,

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or whether it's a peanut allergy, or whether it's lupus.
They just use it as a catch all for whatever
they feel like alleging. At the time, a spokesperson for
Pharma aka the main drugmaker lobby, did not address Trump's
proposals directly when they were asked about them. Alex Shreiver,
Pharma's senior vice president of public affairs, told Axios in

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an emailed statement, political rhetorics surrounding healthcare will only continue
to rise as we enter an election year. Candidates should
focus on voters' top priorities, lowering out of pocket costs
and holding insurers and their pharmacy benefit managers accountable. Long
story short. The trust in public health institutions plummeted among

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Republicans during the pandemic, with prominent members of the party
questioning the safety of COVID vaccines and the actions of
vaccine makers as well as government agencies in Despite Trump's
own history of vaccine skeptical comments, his administration's Operation Warp
Speed produced safe and affected COVID vaccines at an unprecedented pace,

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an achievement that his base doesn't really give him much
credit for. Vaccine skepticism has grown among GOP voters in
recent years. In recent KAFAKA the Kaiser Family Foundation polling,
it found that Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats
to believe that misinformation about COVID nineteen in vaccines are true,

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although independents are not very far behind them, or in
some cases they are more likely to believe misinformation. For example,
twenty nine percent of Republicans said that it's probably or
definitely true that the combined measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine
has been proven to cause autism in children, compared with
fourteen percent of Democrats and thirty four percent of INDE.

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It's very important to emphasize that scientific research has repeatedly
found no association whatsoever between the MMR vaccine and autism.
Trump's calls for investigations into big pharma. It also taps
into GOP voters' anxieties over education, gender affirming care for adolescence,
and the youth mental health crisis. A school's related proposal

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on Trump's campaign website calls for the Food and Drug
Administration to convene a quote, outside panel to investigate whether
transgender hormone treatments and ideology increase the risk of extreme depression, aggression,
and violence. Last spring, Trump made a similar pledge during
a speech given at the National Rifle Association's annual meeting.

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The campaign says that the Trump administration will explore whether
quote common psychiatric drugs, as well as genetically engineered cannabis
and other narcotics, are causing psychotic breaks. It also calls
for a Department of Justice investigation into way their quote,
big pharma and the big hospital networks have covered up
the horrific long term side effects of sex transitions in

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order to get rich at the expense of vulnerable patients.
And another proposal to quote dismantle the deep state. It
specifically calls out big pharma as part of the plan
to quote ban federal bureaucrats from taking jobs at the
companies they deal with and regulate. In an ideal world,
which we are clearly very very far from. The idea

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that you can trust the prescription drugs that a health
provider offers you. It should be a basic societal norm.
While mainstream politicians across the political spectrum on both the
right and the left four years have criticized the pharmaceutical
industry over pricing, there has been a common understanding that,
for the most part, the US system can be trusted

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to place safe and effective drugs on the market and
to remove them if new evidence showing otherwise arises, is
suggesting negligence or cover ups of safety issues. Vaccine science
is a pediatrician Peter Hotess again. He said, elements of
the GOP, especially the far right, has been targeting science

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and scientists as enemies of the state. I was hoping
Trump would not go there. Let's take our first break
and we will be right back. Another part of Trump's

(01:57:35):
Agenda forty seven plan to take on big pharma is
to end the global freeloading on American consumers. It's honestly
a little difficult for me to just not read aloud
the transcripts that are on Trump's website that describe his
agenda for Agenda forty seven, because they're just pure comedy
and they're all just provided on his website for our entertainment.

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So I won't read all the transcripts, but I will
read the highlights. Here it goes crooked. Joe Biden likes
to pretend that he stands up to big pharma, but
in fact, I was the only president in modern times
whoever took on big pharma, and I took it head on.
Biden canceled my tough on pharma policies the moment he

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had a chance as president, I signed a historic executive
order declaring that the United States government would pay the
same price for pharmaceuticals as other foreign countries, and no more.
We don't want to pay anymore. Can you imagine that?
How simple would that be? This would have saved American
patients billions and billions of dollars. But shortly after taking office,

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Joe Biden rescinded my executive order, stabbing patients and US
citizens and especially our seniors right in the back. For
many years, Americans have been paying among the highest prices
in the world for our prescription drugs, while other countries
negotiate sweetheart deals off the backs of America. On day
one of my new term, I will sign an executive

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order to end this global free loading on American consumers
for once and for all. The United States is tired
of getting ripped off. We've been ripped off by everybody
for so many decades. We are tired of it not
going to happen. They should have never rescinded my original
executive order. It just shows you the power of big pharma.

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Thank you very much. This was a very easy one,
and this was an honor to tell you because this
is something that should never have happened. It should never
ever have rescinded my executive order. I just I had
to read that whole thing because it's incredible that these
transcripts are up here, because they are so ridiculous. Sometimes

(01:59:43):
I love that they also included like the ending after
he already said thank you, how he was like, this
was a very easy one, right anyway, I just thought
that transcript was worth a little read. Those are his words,
what he wants to do, and how he thinks. There's
more transcripts later that I find funny, but for an now,
let's go into what he's saying. Trump also has a
plan to quote end Joe Biden's pharmaceutical shortages and return

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the manufacturer of life saving drugs to the United States.
This is not just a public health crisis, it's a
national security crisis, he says. As part of my plan
to obtain total independence from China, we will phase in
tariffs and import restrictions to bring back production of all
essential medicines to the United States of America where they belong.

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I signed an executive order to begin this process in
twenty twenty, but Biden has shamefully failed to follow through.
Part of this plan for Agenda forty seven will be
to restore this executive order. He keeps talking about Executive
Order one three nine four to four, which was dated
August sixth, twenty twenty. The executive order required federal agencies

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to quote by American by facilitating the domestic production of
medicines and medical devices that the FDA determined essential to
public health. It did so by requiring federal agency to
buy medicines and medical devices that are entirely produced in
the United States. Trump says that restoring this executive order
will kickstart the domestic production of life saving drugs. His

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website says, American doctors should never have to give a
patient a drug from an unapproved facility in China or India.
We can and must produce these essential medicines at home,
rather than allowing federal agencies to buy essential medicines from
quote unsafe foreign countries. Another angle of his Agenda forty
seven plan describes how Joe Biden's drug shortage constitutes an

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urgent public health crisis. It says that Joe Biden's drug
shortage is fueled by over reliance on foreign made medicines and,
in some cases, potentially unsafe manufacturers. Here's some of that
fund transcript. Under Crooked Joe Biden, there has been a
catastrophic increase in shortages of essential medicines. It's a mess.

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There's currently a shortage of at least fourteen critical cancer drugs
ugs in the United States. They just can't get it,
and every month of delay cancer treatment increases the risk
of death by at least ten percent. It's unthinkable that
this could be happening in the United States of America
in twenty twenty three. It is truly unbelievable. We are
becoming a third world country very rapidly, between our open

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borders and our bad elections. We are third world. He
goes on to say that, even more dangerously, the top
producer of critical medicines that we rely on in the
United States is a place called China. China produces ninety
five percent of all ibuprofen, ninety one percent of hyder cortizone,
seventy percent of all taile nol, and nearly half of

(02:02:40):
all penicillin. Can you imagine that this is not just
a public health crisis, this is a national security crisis.
As part of my plan to obtain total independence from China,
we will phase in tariffs and import restrictions to bring
back production of all essential medicines to the United States
of America where they long. I signed the executive order

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to begin this process of twenty twenty, but Biden has
shamefully failed to follow through. He wants it ended, He
wants to take care of China. This is a matter
of tremendous urgency. American lives are on the line, and
it will be one of my top priorities as president.
It will also create countless new American jobs. Thank you.

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In another Agenda forty seven video, Trump announced his plan
to eradicate the drug addiction crisis in America. We will
not rest until we have ended the drug addiction crisis,
he says. For three decades before my election, drug overdose
deaths increased every single year. Under my leadership, we took
the drug and fetanol crisis head on, and we achieved

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the first reduction in overdose deaths in more than thirty years.
On his website, in all caps, it says saving American lives.
It says that Trump has pledged that he will not
rest until we end this crisis, and that he will
impose a full naval embargo on the drug cartels and
deploy military assets to inflict maximum damage on cartel operations.

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Ask Congress to ensure that drug dealers and human traffickers
receive the death penalty. Direct US federal law enforcement to
take down the gangs and organize street crime that distribute
these deadly narcotics on a local level. Permanently designate fetanol
as a federally controlled substance, tell China that if they
do not clamp down on the export of fentanyl's chemical precursors,

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they will pay a steep price. He wants to strengthen
the pillars of work, faith, and family, which give life,
meaning and hope for those struggling with addiction, and he
wants to expand federal support for faith based counseling, treatment,
and recovery programs. It's faith based for me. Even if

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in theory some of this kind of sounds like a
good idea, both subtly and not so subtly, you see
the bigotry seep through. It's actually not about saving lives
or taking care of addicts. It's about implementing and cementing
this country as a quote faith based country and having faith,
which obviously only means Christianity. When it's using this context,

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it's going to be America's savior. And Trump over here
is literally being a Bible salesman. It's so nauseatingly obvious
and slimy. It drives me crazy, and the shit actually
works on many many people. The last thing I'll touch
on is a section of Agenda forty seven that is
titled quote ending the Nightmare of the homeless, drug addicts,

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and the dangerously deranged. It describes his plan to quote
rescue American cities from the scourge of homelessness, the drug addicted,
and the dangerously deranged. Trump wants to ban urban camping,
offering violators the option to either receive treatment and rehabilitation
or face arrest. In this transcript, he says, are once

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great cities have become unlivable, unsanitary nightmares, surrendered to the homeless,
the drug addicted, and the violent and dangerously deranged. We
are making many suffer for the whims of a deeply
unwell few, and they are unwell. Indeed, the homeless have
no right to turn every park and sidewalk into a

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place for them to squat and do drugs. Americans should
not have to step over piles of needles and waste
as they walk down the street in a beautiful city,
or at least once beautiful city, because they've changed so
much over the last ten years. Our first consideration should
be the rights and safety of the hard working, law

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abiding citizens who make our society function. When I am
back in the White House, we will use every tool, lever,
and authority to get the homeless off our streets. We
want to take care of them, but they have to
be off our streets. There is nothing compassionate about letting
these individuals live in filth and squalor rather than getting

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them the help that they need. We need professionals to
help them. For a small fraction of what we spend
on Ukraine, we can take care of every homeless veteran
in America. Our veterans are treated horribly likewise, With all
the money we will save by ending mass unskilled migration,
we will have a huge dividend to address this crisis

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in our own country. Under my strategy, we will ban
urban camping wherever possible. Violators of these bands will be arrested,
but they will be given the option to accept treatment
and services if they are willing to be rehabilitated. Many
of them don't want that, but we will give them
the option. Okay, it's meet again. Basically, Trump's plan to

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end homelessness is to criminalize it. He wants to make
homelessness illegal. Alan Mills, executive director of the Uptown People's
Law Center, told Newsweek that Trump's plan is unconstitutional and
will dissuade people from seeking assistance when they truly need it.
Mills said Trump's remarks left him feeling appalled but unsurprised

(02:08:19):
by the former president's antics based on Trump's long history
of anti homeless agendas. He says, it is blatant in
the constitution that you can't arrest people just because they
don't have a home. But more importantly, it doesn't work.
People are not homeless because they're afraid of punishments. People
are homeless because they don't have a home. Trump's plan

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isn't over yet, though, He continues by saying that we
will then open up large parcels of inexpensive land, bringing doctors, psychiatrists,
social workers, and drug rehab specialists, and create tent cities
where the homeless can be relocated and their problems identified.
We will open up our cities again, make them livable,
and make them beautiful. For those who are just temporarily

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down on their luck, we will work to help them
quickly reintegrate into a normal life. For those who have addictions,
substance abuse, and common mental health problems, we will get
them into treatment. And for those who are severely mentally
ill and deeply disturbed, we will bring them back to
mental institutions. Where they belong, with the goal of reintegrating

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them back into society once they are well enough to manage.
It's a tough task, a very tough task. What's taking
place on the streets, what's taken place when they're taking
so much drugs. But the fact is we're going to try.
This strategy will be far better and also far less
expensive than spending vast sums of taxpayer money to house

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the homeless and luxury hotels without addressing their underlying issues.
And they have so many of these underlying issues and needs.
This is how I will end the scourge of homelessness
and make our cities clean and safe and beautiful once again.
We will do it. We will bring back America. Anne Olivia,
the chief executive officer for the NAEH, the National Alliance

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to End Homelessness, also condemned a Trump's plan, calling it
alarming and dangerous in numerous ways. She said the way
to end homelessness is not to arrest people and move
them out of sight into internment camps. Jail isn't housing.
Prison isn't housing. Tent cities aren't housing. Housing with services

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tailored to people's specific needs must be at the center
of any plan to end homelessness. Prioritizing any immediate strategy
other than housing is a red herring, a political ploy
to divert attention from the real resources communities need while
othering people in the most vulnerable situations imaginable. And then

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there was Vote Vets. Vote Vets is a veterans advocacy group.
They said on Twitter that rather than continue the progress
of helping homeless veterans, Trump lust to find them and
toss them into what can be best described as internment camps.
Who all, in all, Agenda forty seven is a big

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fucking yikes, and it should concern you. I'm going to
leave you all with a uplifting quote from February twenty fourth,
when Trump spoke at the Conservative Political Action Conference. He said,
November fifth will be our new liberation day. It will
be their judgment day. Wow. Can't wait until then.

Speaker 1 (02:11:37):
See ya, hello, and welcome to it could happen here
a podcast about things falling apart In this week podcast

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Agenda forty seven Donald Trump's plan for you know what
to do if he winds up winning re election and
being back in all of our lives in the sense
of having political power as opposed to just back in
all of our lives because he never shuts the hell up,
and neither do any of the journalists who report on him.

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So we're talking about that all week. You've been listening
to the episodes put together one of my colleagues. Today,
I'm going to be talking about Trump's border policy, particularly
his promise to declare war on the cartels and use
the United States military to attack them. Before we get
into it, I do want to note, if you notice
this sounds a little bit different. I am in Texas currently.

(02:12:43):
My father has leukemia. He's being treated for it. He's
on chemo in the hospital, just finished chemo actually, But anyway,
I had to fly down to Texas last minute. And
I'm not recording this in my normal space. We should
be back to normal, you know, very soon here. But
I just wanted to explain, if you think it sounds different,
it's not me fucking something up. I just had to

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fly across the country. So let's talk about Agenda forty
seven and the Cartels. Back in two thousand and eight,
when I was still a baby and in fact in Dallas, Texas,
as i am right now, I worked as the secretary
for a financial planner named Al Jones. I was bad

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at this job, and I didn't really know much about
financial planning then, but I have since come to suspect
that Al was not great at his job either. The
first sign of this might have been the fact that
when I took the job, Al got excited because I
mentioned during our little interview that I wanted to be
a writer someday, and he was like, I'm a novelist,
and I was like, I thought you were a financial planner,

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and then he hands me a copy of his self
published novel.

Speaker 3 (02:13:52):
Operation night Watch.

Speaker 4 (02:13:55):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:13:55):
The plot to this motherfucker was barkingly mad, spurred on
by an epidelic of inner city violence. The government sent
in a team of special forces guys to take on
the criminals. I think it's the government who sends them.
They may just be a bunch like Green Berets and
Navy seals who decide to fight crime on their own.
It's been a while since I read the thing. I'm
trying to have a hardcover delivered to me, but there's

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not a lot of them left, so you may get
to hear more from this book.

Speaker 4 (02:14:19):
But anyway, the.

Speaker 1 (02:14:20):
Idea of this is that, like Yeah, there's all of
these very much racially coded criminals in the streets making
life too dangerous for regular people, these evil drug dealers
and robbers, and we just need our special forces guys
to murder them, right, it was. There was a lot
of like uncomfortable fetishization of brutal violence from this very

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mild mannered seeming dude who mostly held meetings at Texas
roadhouses with old people to try to get them to
invest in innuities or whatever a split annuity is. I've
since forgotten so again, obviously, even at that point in time,
mostly having lived either in the country the suburbs, I
had spent enough time in Dallas to know his description

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of inner city life was not precisely accurate. But what
I remember most about the book is that it wasn't
even really a story. It was and talking to Al
made this clear, a literal description of the policy he
wanted to see. The thin characters that he included in
the story were basically just there to help dress up

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what was again a policy proposal, and that policy was
we should use the US military to kill quote unquote
drug dealers. Right now. Over the last fifteen years or so,
mainstream Republican policy has actually caught up to my old boss,
and now President Trump has included in Agenda forty seven
a promise to invade Mexico with US special forces. That's

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not the extent of the promise. We will be talking
about that all through this fun episode. On Deceiver twenty second,
twenty twenty three, the Trump campaign uploaded a page titled
President Donald J. Trump declares War on Cartels to his
campaign website. And I don't know about you, guys, I'm
pretty sick in the motherfucker's voice, So I'm just going
to read how this opens. But if you go to

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the website, you can listen to him say this if
that makes you happier. The drug cartels are waging war
on America, and it's now time for America to wage
war on the cartels. In this war, Joe Biden has
cited against the United States, and with the cartels, they're
making more money than they've ever made before. Times ten,

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There's never been anything like it. They're major, major companies.
They're bigger than even some of our biggest companies. Biden's
open border policies are a deadly betrayal of our nation.
He's definitely got a unique diction. Yet you know, Trump
came up with that one more or less on his own,
didn't need to be scripted. Now, Trump goes on to

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state after this that when he is president again, the
United States government will treat cartels the same way they
treated Isis, which you might recall still exists and recently
carried out an attack in Russia. Republic picks might note
that this attack was by Isis k or Isis Coruscond,
which is true. And boy, howdye does Afghanistan come back
into this story in a little bit, So just just

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keep that in mind. But first let's continue with Trump.
He claims that under his presidency we had a quote
very very strong border and in fact, the strongest border
in the history of the country, and quote drugs were
at a low for forty five years. Now, it's important
to fact check things that both Joe Biden and Donald
Trump say. The use the diction he uses here does

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make fact checking slightly difficult. The strongest border kind of
a meaningless term, right, But the claim about drugs being
at a low for forty five years can be fact
checked to some degree, although again his approach to grammar
makes it hard to tell what he's claiming here, right,
it's drugs at a low for forty five years, mean, like,
drug use is at a low, drugs smuggling is at

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a low.

Speaker 4 (02:17:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:17:58):
He has made variations of this claim often, though, including
a note on his campaign website in January twenty twenty
three that under his presidency, quote, drug overdose deaths decline
nationwide for the first time in nearly thirty years. So
let's assume that that's kind of what he meant to claim,
that drug overdose deaths were the lowest they've been for

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forty five for forty five years, right, which is again,
I mean, it's just wrong on its face because earlier
he said for thirty years, So like, which is it? Donald?
But whatever, Let's say that what he meant to claim
is that under his presidency, drug overdose deaths were at
the lowest point in a long time. Right, If we're
being fair, that's the fairest I could be to him.

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And it is true that the overdose death rate dropped
during Trump's presidency for one year in twenty eighteen. That's
the only year that it dropped. During each of the
other three years he was in office, the overdose rate rose,
and in fact, it rose by record numbers in twenty twenty.
PolitiFact also notes quote looking at overdose deaths from synthetic opioids,

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the closely watched category that accounts for the largest share
of all opioid overdose deaths, the rate rose every year
of Trump's presidency. This is worth noting because all of
the things he wants to do at the border to
the cartels, all of his justifications for really needing to
crack down on human trafficking, for wanting to use the
navy seals or whatever to kill cartel guys to basically

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invade Mexico, it's to stop Fentonel, which he describes as
an existential threat to the country. And you know, makes
the claim that basically, when I was president, you know,
all that stuff was, we were taking care of it.
It was all all declining, and then when Biden took over,
it got a lot worse. No, the rate of finanel
use wrote in Finnyl related deaths in particular rose every

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single year of Trump's presidency, every single year. Anyway, Trump
promises no mercy to the cartels and that he will
designate the major ones foreign terrorist organizations with the goal
of cutting off their access to global financial systems. Incidentally,
this would provide a pretext to basically charging every drug user,
whether or not their drugs had anything to do with

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a cartel with material support of a terrorist organization, and
thus allow night marriish penalties for people caught dealing weed
or LSD or whatever, on the justification that they're aiding
the cartels with whom we are at war. Trump also
states that he will ask Congress to pass legislation to
allow the death penalty for quote drug smugglers and human traffickers. Now,

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He's made similar statements around drug dealers in the past.
Here's how this particular rant on the Agenda forty seven
website ends. The drug cartels and their allies and the
Biden administration have the blood of countless millions on their hands.
Millions and millions of families and people are being destroyed.
When I am back in the White House, the drug
kingpins and vicious traffickers will never sleep soundly again. We

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did it once, and we did it better than anyone else.
There's never been a better border than we had just
two years ago. It was strong, it was powerful, and
it was respected all over the world, and now we're
laughed at all over the world. And we're not going
to let that happen much longer. We have to take over.
We have to be tough, and we have to be smart,
we have to be fair. But if we don't do
something immediately, our country is gone. Now that's all ridiculous,

(02:21:11):
but it behooves us to look into the origins of
this particular violent fantasy. When President Trump was still in office,
he repeatedly floated variations of a single idea using US
missiles to destroy so called drug factories, specifically those producing
either fentanyl or methamphetamine. Obviously, cartels do operate sizable facilities

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and where they prepare drugs for smuggling and sale. They
have places where they cut fentanyl, which generally comes from elsewhere,
into other drugs, or make it into pills, etc. And
they've got places where meth is cooked. Obviously, so, as
best as The New York Times has been able to trace,
his obsession with military action against Mexico seems to have
started in late twenty nineteen. So while the coronavirus is spreading,

(02:21:56):
our president rather than focusing on a response, it's kind
of obsessed with the fentanyl crisis, which is serious, but
his way of dealing with it was to hold these constant,
large oval office meetings that people absolutely had to attend.
Quote some part tennisis from the New York Times. Some
participants felt the meetings were of little use because officials
tended to perform for mister Trump, and he would perform

(02:22:18):
for them. And that does put the fun idea in
my head of Donald Trump and a bunch of friends
all dancing about, like, I don't know whatever kind of
animal you would train to dance. I'm spacing on that
right now. So why don't we just roll to ads
for a second. Well, I think of animals. We're back,

(02:22:46):
so I'm going to continue that quote from the New
York Times. When the idea of military intervention was brought
up at one such meeting, mister Trump turned to Brett Geroor,
who was there in his role as the US Assistant
Secretary for Health. Mister Gero was also a four star
admiral and the Commission Corps of the US Public Health Service,
and he was wearing his dress uniform. His main point
was that the United States was unable to combat the

(02:23:08):
crisis with treatment alone. According to a person briefed on
his comments, it was clear from the way mister Trump
singled out mister Gerror that he had mistakenly thought he
was in the military because of his dress uniform. According
to two participants in the meeting, mister Gerroor in his response,
suggested putting lead to target. The two participants were called
that seems likely. Geror denies this right. He claims, well,

(02:23:30):
the President knows me really well. We met all the time.
He would never mistake me for a soldier, and like, sure, buddy.
For one thing, I totally believe he could meet with
Trump regularly and Trump not remember him. But also, it
kind of sounds assuming I mean again, and these are
all maybe not the best sources, but assuming the people
who are like he said we should put lead to
target are telling the truth, that sounds to me like

(02:23:52):
this guy wearing his uniform because he knows it'll impress
Trump was also trying to use military metaphors because I
think maybe was just trying to have this impact on Trump, right,
make Trump think of him as like a military official
giving advice. There's some claims that people in the administration
were so concerned about this and were so terrified that

(02:24:14):
like Trump might actually attack Mexico that they asked Jeror
to stop wearing his uniform to meetings, basically being like
he's hypnotized by this shit man, Like if you dress
like a soldier, he'll take you seriously when you say
this crazy bullshit. Anyway, at the same time this is
all going on, Attorney General William Barr had also started
floating the idea to the President that maybe the United

(02:24:36):
States should consider carrying out some attacks in Mexico to
kill cartel guys to stop the fentanyl.

Speaker 4 (02:24:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:24:42):
His argument, though, was not so much that we should
do it, but that if we threaten Mexico with military action,
that will force the Mexican government to be more aggressive
against the cartels. Now, William Barr is not a guy
I consider very smart, and this is in fact a
dumb idea, because like Mexico's government has tried a bunch
of different ways to fight the cartels, they haven't destroyed them.

(02:25:04):
Right now, the current president of Mexico's is more on
the left, and he has a policy is described as
hugs not bullets, right, which is not using the stick
to fight the drug cartels. But that doesn't mean that
hasn't been tried. The Mexican government and the Mexican military
have carried out a number of very high intensity operations
against cartels over the years. It's just like, it's hard.

(02:25:26):
The cartel problem is a massive, massive, complicated thing, and
the idea that like, if we threaten Mexico, they'll finally
do it kind of understates the degree to which Mexico
is capable of ending this epidemic or ending this problem
right of somehow taking back this territory and rendering the
cartels unable to function. I don't actually know that they are,

(02:25:48):
you know, I don't know that. I certainly wouldn't say
that the current president's plan is working. But no one
else has stopped them either, so I don't know. I
think Bar is rather silly when he thinks that it's
just a matter of threatening Mexico with an invasion that'll
force him to take care of this shit. I don't
really know that they have the ability to do that
either way. So for his part, Barr does not seem

(02:26:12):
to have actually wanted at military action in Mexico. Again,
he's thinking that the threat will do the trick, and
in fact, when Trump pushed back that, like, well, maybe
we could just shoot some missiles into Mexico. Barr pushed
back on this and was like, well, if we fire,
missiles will hit we might hit the wrong target, right, Basically,
civilian casualties you know, could happen, so we should avoid that.

(02:26:32):
And that really kind of showcases how fucking dangerous someone
like Barr is because his plan is he's thinking he's
playing forty chess or whatever. It's like, yeah, you know,
the Mexican government will get scared and they'll take care
of these cartels for us. But when you start floating
that to a guy named Trump, he's going to be like, well, yeah,
let's just shoot him with missiles. And you may you
may push back against that initially, but when your stupid

(02:26:54):
plan to bully Mexico into destroying the cartels doesn't work
because they can't or because don't want to be bullied,
then what where are you?

Speaker 4 (02:27:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:27:04):
You can't step down at that point. You can't back
off once you've threatened to bomb them, right, because if
you threaten to attack and they don't do shit and
then you just kind of like back off, you're gonna
look weak. And that's the worst thing in the world
to these people, right, Trump's certainly not going to accept
something like that. It's part of why, like what Bar
was doing here is just like incredibly irresponsible. Just with

(02:27:27):
a guy like Trump, you can't pull that shit. So
this means again that at some point, if this kind
of process goes on, if Trump wins office, if he's
to carry out something like what Bar was suggesting or
something like what your r was suggesting, at some point,
Trump's kind of need to use military assets to strike
Mexico if only to save face. And again, the safest

(02:27:48):
thing for him to use would be missiles to basically
fire missiles, you know, guided missiles at factories or whatever
making drugs. This avoids risking US servicemen. It certainly avoids
it's the risk of them getting captured anyway. I'm gonna
quote from the New York Times against here. At least
twice during twenty twenty, mister Trump privately asked as Defense
Secretary mister Esper about the possibility of sending patriot missiles

(02:28:11):
into Mexico to destroy the drug labs and whether they
could blame another country for it. Patriot missiles are not
the kind that would be used. They are surfaced to
air weapons, but mister Trump had a habit of calling
all missiles patriot missiles. According to two former senior administration officials,
I just find that fuddy, like, man, you are the
you're the commander in chief, and you don't know, like

(02:28:33):
you don't even know that. Like it's I don't expect
the president to say, like I want you to fire
this exact version of missile. You know, that's maybe a
little more granular than is necessary for him to know.
But like you should know that patriot missiles don't get
fired at ground targets. That's not what they do. They're
kind of a major part of like our military or
mince anti missile defense. It's just it's just very silly

(02:28:56):
of him. All this nonsense came to a head for
the first time, I'm in twenty twenty when during one
of these interminable fentanyl meetings, Trump looked over to Defense
Secretary Mark Esper and asked, can we blow up these
drug labs with a missile and make it look like
another country did it?

Speaker 2 (02:29:13):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:29:14):
That's you know, bad, right, Like it brings up a
lot of questions, namely, like what other country is in
a position to fire missiles into Mexico, right, Like, if
you're saying, oh, it wasn't US, are you saying it's
Canada because they'd have to kind of cross a lot
of space to do that. He's saying Guatemalas firing missiles
into Mexico because it doesn't really seem like a Guatemala move.
You know, who are you going to blame? Thankfully, Esper

(02:29:37):
was one of those rare Trump appointees who possessed a
basic minimal capacity for rational thought, and we never, thankfully
got the answer to the question what would have happened
if he'd fired a missile into Mexico. Esper argued against
the idea, and then he wrote about it in his memoir,
which I have an issue with. He's one of these
guys who, yeah, maybe we should have known about that
when it happened, rather than waiting for your fucking book.

(02:29:59):
But people got to get paid.

Speaker 2 (02:30:01):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (02:30:02):
Reactions from Mexico to these revelations about Trump considering missiling
them and now the fact that he's got on his
website like our plan is to use military assets to
attack the cartels, reactions from Mexico have been pretty universally
negative for reasons I probably don't need to elaborate on.
President Lopez Obrador told reporters in March, quote, this initiative

(02:30:24):
of the Republicans, besides being irresponsible, is an offense to
the people of Mexico, a lack of respect to our independence,
to our sovereignty. They do not change their attitude and
think they are going to use Mexico for their propaganda,
their electoral and political purposes. We are going to call
for not voting for this party because it is interventionalist
and human, hypocritical and corrupt. I don't know he's wrong there.

(02:30:45):
I don't know how much ability the president of Mexico
has to shift votes in the United States. But you know,
it is interesting. You don't often hear a world leader,
specific particularly not of the US's largest trading partner, say
that they're going to take sides in an election, not
that openly at least, but you know who never takes

(02:31:06):
sides except for your side, because they're always on your side.
The products and services that support this podcast and or program.

Speaker 4 (02:31:24):
We're back.

Speaker 1 (02:31:25):
So the opposition candidate in next year's Mexican presidential elections
also made a statement that was it was a little
bit more moderated than obradors, but it belittled Trump's comments
about using military force on Mexico and stated, rather than threats,
we should work in a smart way. So nobody's really
happy with this down in Mexico. Not surprising to see why. Meanwhile,

(02:31:49):
in US politics, conservatives are now falling over themselves to
justify military intervention in Mexico. As soon as Trump adopts this,
it now becomes basically the standard Republican line that we
need to be sending our special forces guys in to
fight the fucking cartels. I'm not going to go over
a laundry list of all the dumbfucks who have embraced
this crap idea, but I do want to read one

(02:32:09):
quote from an ABC News article quote House Oversight Committee
Chairman James Comer, Republican Kentucky, on Tuesdays said that it
was a mistake that then President Donald Trump did not
bomb meth labs in Mexico after he had reportedly asked
his Defense secretary about the possibility in twenty twenty. One
of the things we learned post Trump presidency is that

(02:32:30):
he had ordered a bombing of a couple fentanyl labs
crystal meth labs in Mexico just across the border, and
for whatever reason, the military didn't do it. Comer said
on Fox and Friends, I think that was a mistake.
Now I want to discuss for a second how impossible
it is for this plan to work. As I noted earlier,
there are drug labs in Mexico, quite a few of them,

(02:32:50):
making a variety and not just making, but in many
cases taking drugs that come from elsewhere and basically packaging
them in a way that they can be sold or smuggled.
That is, those facilities certainly exists, but they are not
like the large centralized factories that I don't know, like
a military rival would use to produce tanks. Right, most
of this work, even if it is currently being done

(02:33:10):
in a sizable facility, can be done in smaller facilities
and can be moved pretty readily. And again, it's just
not very intelligent to think that you can cripple this
the same way you can cripple an enemy's ability to
produce missiles or tanks. And even then that's not easy.
We're actually really bad at it. We've repeatedly during wars

(02:33:33):
bombed countries to attempt to destroy their ability to produce
munitions and failed to really do that to a substantial extent.
And so something like the narcotics industry, which is even
more underground, even more hard to identify by nature of
what it is. It's a big ask on the surface, right.
It's also worth laying out why it's done as hell

(02:33:54):
to conflate drug cartels with ISIS, because a big part
of why Trump, how Trump thinks things are going to go,
is like, well, Isis took over Raka, took over Moses,
and then we beat them up, you know, we kicked
the crap out of them, We destroyed ISIS. That's what
he I think, that's literally what he thinks happens, and
it's certainly what he wants his voters to think happened.

(02:34:14):
But that's not really what happened. Right when the physical
caliphate was liberated, ISIS went underground, and they are still
there and still have the potential to take a whole
territory again. ISIS attacks in both Iraq and Syria have
been raising steadily for years. There's a lot of reasons
for this. Big part of why things have gotten worse
in Syria is that the Biden administration has done fuck

(02:34:35):
all to stop the Turkish government from attacking the autonomous
region Rojava. Who are the folks who defeated ISIS in Syria?
And that has degraded their capacity to keep a fucking
lit on thing. So number one, this victory, he claims,
wasn't a total victory. And number two, the reason why
ISIS was knocked out of you know, Mosl and knocked

(02:34:58):
out of most of their territorial claims fairly short period
of time was because of a couple of things. Number One,
the US was providing support, but we were not carrying
out either operation on our own in both Iraq and Syria.
We were supporting other extant militant groups that had a
long history and a decent amount of support in the region,
right And number two, and maybe you can make the

(02:35:20):
claim that that's the case with the Mexican army, But the
other aspect is that Isis were not guys who had
been in charge for forever in that region and had
deep bases. Most of them were foreigners, and they were
foreigners who had very quickly taken urban areas and then
started running them like dog shit cartels have existed for
a lot longer. They have effectively and do effectively rule

(02:35:41):
large chunks of Mexico and have done so for longer
than ISIS has existed. They have deep networks of local
ties and in many areas a reputation for providing services
better than the Mexican government has done. I don't say
this to whitewash how horrible these organizations are, but they
are not ISIS, which just came up seemingly out of
no where, took over a bunch of cities and then

(02:36:02):
got fucking kicked out, and you know, never had a
huge base of support among the populace, particularly in Iraq,
because again there were just some assholes who showed up
one day as opposed to the cartels, which you know,
especially once the US starts bombing Mexico and killing Mexican civilians,
which will happen anytime we're bombing them. Just the idea,

(02:36:23):
the amount of support it could potentially build for the
fucking cartels is substantial. But even beyond that, the idea
that you could knock these beat people out easily, they're not.

Speaker 3 (02:36:34):
Again, they have a.

Speaker 1 (02:36:35):
Deep base of support, a deep history in these areas.
They have functioned for a long time, not just running
things but also constantly fighting against a military and the
government that has a degree of capacity and technology at
its back. So the idea that like, you're just going
to be able to kick these guys out of whatever. Sonora,

(02:36:58):
the way that you know isis was quote unquote kicked
out of Mosel. It's fanciful rights. It's a farce. Now,
speaking of farces, I want to talk about kind of
the thing that we should all see is the model
for what might actually how it would actually work if
Trump tried to go into Mexico to take out the cartels.

(02:37:18):
And this brings me back to Afghanistan. Right during Trump's administration,
the Department of Defense was empowered by the President to
use vastly more force and their attempts to destroy Taliban
drug labs. Obviously, Taliban funded a lot of their war
effort with the sale of opium, you know, aeroin whatever,
and it was you know, believed that if we can

(02:37:40):
cut if we can destroy their ability to grow and
process this stuff, we can cut the legs out from
underneath the Taliban. And Trump really bought into this and
allowed the DoD to accelerate their efforts to do this.
Our forces started carrying out a mix of air strikes
and special operations attacks on talent Lebhan drug labs in

(02:38:01):
twenty seventeen. It is the same plan that they executed
that Trump is pushing for the United States to use
in Mexico and in Afghanistan. This plan was such an
abysmal failure that not only did it not stop drug production,
it actually accelerated the production of opiates in fucking Afghanistan
at the highest level in recorded history. This program failed

(02:38:24):
so badly that the Pentagon ended their strikes on drug
labs in twenty nineteen. They gave up in two years
because they didn't couldn't do it. They were bad at it. Now,
the fact that this kind of plan that Trump is
pushed would undeniably fail to actually destroy the cartels to
stop drugs and human trafficking across the border, this does
not mean that it would actually be a failure for

(02:38:45):
the reasons that Trump and many other Republicans wanted to fail,
which is that declaring war on cartels allows them to
justify a major power grap and destroy or in the
lives of US citizens they already see as enemies. And
I don't mean to say that this is more serious
than the lives that will be lost in Mexico. It's

(02:39:05):
certainly not, but this is very serious as well. Last October,
a think tank, the Center for Renewing America, published a
policy paper with the fun title It's Time to wage
War on Transnational Drug Cartels. Paper makes it clear that
illegal immigration is just as much a priority as fentannel
and carrying out these actions, and in fact, it lists

(02:39:26):
the goals of this planned military policy in Mexico this way.
Number one, ending the illegal flow of people trafficking victims
and drugs across the southern border. Now, the paper suggests
creating a new classification that is similar but different to
foreign terrorist organization for the cartels. It lists a series

(02:39:48):
of escalatory stages that Trump's administration should take, starting with
putting pressure on the Mexican government to take care of
things themselves. And since the Mexican government is not really
capable of pre of ending a present of ending either
migration or drug cartels, escalation is inevitable. So after this
phase fails, phase two is to have the President start

(02:40:10):
deploying military units, initially to interdict the coast, but also
to coordinate with the DEA to target and kill cartel
figures and destroy their assets. US ports will be closed
whenever the number of illegal immigrant apprehensions that the border
increases past a certain level. Right, So they are also saying,
and again you get the feeling from this paper. While

(02:40:31):
Trump always harps on the drugs and the horrors of fentanyl,
is very clear from this paper there is concerned and
if not more concerned about the fact that non white
people are entering the country. Quote. While costly to the economy,
this closing ports would incentivize the Mexican government to crack
down on human smugglers, migrant caravans, and cartel trafficking networks.

(02:40:53):
Now into the fourth and final phase of this plan,
the US government would basically carry out a full scale
invasion of parts of Mexico in order to defeat cartels
and secure the border. At no point are there any
suggestions made as to how this might be done or
why it would be more successful than the attempts that
failed in Afghanistan. Instead, they just move right onto the
last phase, the victory phase, which includes these suggestions. Congress

(02:41:19):
should enact legislation that creates enhanced penalties for US citizens
found guilty of collaborating with the cartels. Punishment should include
mandatory minimum federal sentencing of fifteen years in prison for
working with cartels labeled as transnational criminal organizations, and mandatory
minimum sentencing of twenty five years in prison for working
with cartels labeled under the new Cartel statutory guidelines. Congress

(02:41:41):
should enact legislation that defines material and financial supports for
the cartels designated under the new statutory framework as tantamount
to engaging in terrorism against the United States. This basically means,
depending on how this is written, it could mean that
doing drugs, possessing drugs, having friends who sell or use

(02:42:02):
drugs could mean that you're committing terrorism by supporting the cartels.
It is not impossible that that is how this law,
these laws, should they be actually put on the books, ever,
should this program be enacted, that's not impossible that that's
how it would be interpreted. And why wouldn't they want
to write this would allow them to lock up a
shitload of people that they see as being on the left.

(02:42:22):
If you think back to Richard Nixon, A big reason
why and this is a stated reason why you know
the war on marijuana was escalated is that it lets
you arrest the fucking hippies and anti war protesters and
put them in prison. You know, that is a big
part of what a lot of people in Trump's orbit
want to do with this. And I say that because

(02:42:42):
the guy who wrote this fucking thing is a dude
named kN Kuchinelli. Ken is a major anti left culture warfucker.
One of his jobs under Trump was he worked under
Chad Wolfe, who was the illegally the director of the
DHS during the twenty twenty uprising. In sept Timber of
twenty twenty, he ordered the intelligence branch of the Department

(02:43:04):
of Homeland Security to downplay threats by white supremacists and
instead focus on the danger of Antifa. Under his watch,
DHS also compiled and tel reports on journalists in Portland, Oregon.
Might have some issue with this guy personally, and defended
the abduction by federal agents of civilians in unmarked vehicles, right,
you know, when people were being abducted off the streets

(02:43:25):
of Portland. He was a big fan of that. Ken
Guchinelli really likes that idea. He is also essentially a
white nationalist himself. In August of twenty nineteen, he announced
a revised regulation to go into effect October fifteenth, twenty nineteen,
that expanded the public charge requirements for legal immigration made
it harder to get green cards and visas if you

(02:43:46):
were poor. Basically, he stopped. He made basically, if we
might need something like food stamps, it's harder to get,
you know, to immigrate legally to the United States. He
was asked, doesn't this kind of contradict, you know, that
poem on the Statue of Liberty about welcoming you know,
poor and persecuted people. Kucinelli suggested a revision to the

(02:44:06):
poem on the Statute of Liberty, On the Statue of Liberty,
give me you're tired and you're poor, who can stand
on their own two feet, and who will not become
a public charge. So that's that's cool. He also made
a point that the poem referred to European immigrants, so
you know, fuck those non white people, right, you know,
like the poem was never meant for them. He's a

(02:44:27):
fucking nazi, right, He's a white nationalist at the very least,
like kN Kuchinelli is the kind of person that a
decent society would google what the Romans did with the
Tarpeian rocks when they had someone who was a trader
to their system, and that's what should happen to Ken Cuccinelli.
But instead he's trying to get the US military to
invade Mexico. So that's good anyway, that's a Trump's Agenda

(02:44:50):
forty seven policy on the cartels. I hope you all
had a lot of fun anyway, by hey, we'll be
back Monday with more episodes every week from now until
the heat death of the Universe.

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