Jacob Wohl And The Krassensteins: A Tale of Several Grifters

Grifters and conmen thrive in times of unrest and chaos. In Episode 38, Robert is joined by Shereen Lani Younes to discuss the tales of several grifters.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, friends, I am Robert Evans, and this is yet
again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you
everything you don't know about the very worst people in
all of history. Now, my my guest for today's episode,
who is coming in cold to our tale about several
bastards is Sharne the Machine Lonnie Units. I think I'm
the first person to give you that nickname, but probably

(00:23):
or not. Now, you are a filmmaker whose work is
currently being featured at the Metropolitan Museum of Modern Art. Right,
it was in New York. Yet it wasn't New York.
It wasn't in New York. Yeah, that was cool. That
is very cool. Uh. And you are also the co
host of the Ethnically Ambiguous podcast on the Stuff Network,
the very network that we're all a part of. Correct,
So that's cool. Ye. How's it going? You know, I'm

(00:47):
glad to be here and must terrifying to be here.
Do you like conmen? Do I like conmon? I like
watching movies about conmons? Well, then you might like grifts.
I mean I feel like a grift in my own life.
You know, I'm just a fraud. Yeah, that's how everyone
who gets to do what they like for living fields.
It's natural. Uh. Does the name Jacob Wohl mean anything

(01:08):
to you? You know, I've I've heard it about um,
but I could not tell you anything about it other
than he's white. He is white. Uh. And the working
title of this episode is a tale of two Grifters,
even though there's more than two grifters. I just know
I was trying trying to force it and trying to
force it all rights to talk about some grifters. So
grifters and common thrive in times of unrest and chaos.

(01:29):
This is obvious enough that I'm probably wasting a little
bit of my time by even saying it. The current
president of the United States is a man who ran
a fake university that defrauded thousands of people out of
tens of millions of dollars. But we're not talking about
him today. Are subjects for this episode are grifters of
a much lower and a much sadder cast. Let's start
by talking about the Krassinstein brothers, Brian and Edward. You

(01:49):
know about these guys, please tell me together. They have
more than one point three million followers on Twitter, and
they operate a left wing media empire. Is not the
right word can I ask a question, Do they have
a shared Twitter? No, they have two different Twitters judging
very hardly, but they retweet everything each other says, and
it's it's really you know, your left wing, your right

(02:13):
wing or whatever. The Kress and Stein's are like the
shrillist and like least effective chunk of the there, like
the drump you know, like that sort of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that kind of thing that should have been played out
two years ago, but it's still. Yeah. They're crapulent. So
they're frequent and pacific's critics of President Donald Trump. As
of the writing of this episode, Bryan's Twitter image is

(02:34):
a graphic of an impeachment clock with the President's face
on it. So not a lot of subtlety. But starting
back in two thousand three, the Krests and Stein's worked
a different gig, running the websites top goal dot com
and moneymaker Group dot com. It seems a little bit
scammy right off the It's kinda get scamm here. So
both of these sites were presented as independent aggregators of
different online investment programs. Basically, someone would visit moneymaker group

(02:58):
dot com and read about different opportunities in various investment
programs and whatnot. Most of what the Krassenstein brothers hawked
through their websites were what are called high yield investment
programs or hyaps. According to Investipedia, quote, high yield investment
program is a fraudulent investment scheme that purports to deliver
extraordinarily high returns on investment. High yield investment schemes often

(03:21):
advertised yields of more than a hundred percent per year
in order to lure in victims. In reality, these high
yield investment programs are Ponzi schemes, and the organizers aim
to steal the money invested, like a pyramid scheme. Yeah yeah, yeah,
like a like a pyramid scheme with a little little
dash a limon. So the SEC takes a somewhat milder
tone towards high yield investment programs, calling them unregistered investments

(03:43):
typically run by unlicensed individuals that are often frauds, but
not always frauds. In an interview with The Daily Beast Ed,
Krassenstein really dug into the tiny bit of daylight provided
by the word often quote of high ups aren't scams?
I know of several that have been legitimate. The FBI
definition is not that they're all scams. It says a
large amount of scams, and that is true. So if

(04:05):
you're defending your business by saying only a large amount
of it is fraud, but I'm a good one. Yeah.
The Crescent Stein Brothers defended themselves from charges of being
scammers and Charlatan's by basically claiming that they didn't actually
run any of these scams. They just took ad dollars
from the people who did. And in Ed's words, freedom
of speech protects advertisers, which sort of true. Partially true,

(04:27):
of course. In actuality, sites like talk gold dot com
and moneymaker Group were in a little bit more of
like a a swampy area. On talk Gold and moneymaker Group,
moderators hosted discussions of various high up opportunities through paid
ads in organic comment threads. Users would be informed of
various potential hy up investments. Eventually, many of the hypes
would stop paying out, as all Ponzi schemes do, and

(04:48):
hyup threads would begin racking up customer complaints into the thousands.
The moderators would then move those high up threads into
a separate section of the website marked closed programs. And
scam warnings. Basically, the business is that these guys operated
a g website where they would talk about different Ponzi
schemes that you could invest in, and then once enough
people realized that it was a scam, they would move
it to a section of the site that said it

(05:09):
was scams, like, oh, we got we we were we
spotted this one. We're protecting you like that's that's we
got this. But they're getting money from all of these
people in order to host them on their site. So
they're scammers. They're scammers, yeah, or they're legally distinct from
but ethically the same as scammers. I would I would say,
in order to protect ourselves legally at tiny bit. By

(05:31):
August of two thousands seventeen, the scam Warnings section of
their site had more than thirteen thousand threats, but investigators
found that only a minority of the scams advertised actually
made it over to the scam warning section, which means
the Krass and Stein's probably guided their readers to quite
literally tens of thousands of fraudulent investments. One of the
hyups on top gold dot com was the Leopard Fund,
which was created by a guy who was convicted of

(05:53):
five counts of wire fraud. In two thousand twelve, CSM Finance,
another hYP scam, asked its investors to download special software
that in reality, was a virus that stole money from
their Liberty Reserve accounts now Liberty Reserve. It was like
a digital currency exchange before bitcoin UM. And the guy
who found that was actually like busted back in two
thousand sixteen and sentenced to twenty years in prison. So

(06:15):
this whole ecosystem is nothing but scammers UM, and they're
essentially positioning themselves as like scam brokers rather than operating
a scam themselves because that's too risky. They yeah exactly.
It like separates them from actual accountability, Yeah exactly, just
enough that they're probably not going to go to prison um, which,
of course, if you're in the scam business, that's really

(06:36):
where you want to just outside of prison, getting all
the benefits but not actually going in. Yeah exactly. So
that same year, sixteen federal agents rated several homes in
Fort Myers, Florida that were owned by the Krasenstin brothers.
They took computers, financial records, and a bunch of other stuff.
Much of this was later returned, but late last year,
the d o J seized about a half a million
dollars worth of their assets on suspicion of massive wire fraud.

(06:59):
I found breakdown of the d j's asset forfeit your
case on the site behind MLM, which essentially seems to
act as a watchdog group for the whole MLM industry.
Since everything to do with these kinds of scams is
purposefully complex, I relied on them in the Department of
Justice to actually help me break down what the Krassenstein's
were doing. Behind MLM describes their websites as quote easily
the two largest publicly accessible ponzi promotion platforms on the Internet.

(07:22):
The Department of Justice alleges that the brothers actually ran
a huge constellation of websites, all purporting to report independently
on the Hyatt marketplace, while actually just being funnels to
direct rubes to scams in exchange for kickbacks. Quote from
the Department of Justice, the Krassenstein's various high up related
websites overlapped extensively in their functionality. For example, Taco dot
com and Moneymaker Group dot com serves substantially identical functions

(07:44):
and gold radar dot com and web life dot org
serves substantially identical functions. To the casual visitor, it would
have appeared that these sites were being operated independently from
one another. The Krassenstein's network of apparently unrelated hyup sites
promoted the appearance of a thriving hYP industry with numerous
independent players. They're fucking shady, They're fucking shady as hell
and yeah. So when Ed Krafstenstein was asked in essence

(08:07):
if the fact that they had consent him to forfeit
half a million dollars and sees property to the d
o J meant that he and his brother were guilty,
he said, quote, this was an agreement we made with
the government because the cost of fighting the civil complaint
would have likely cost us more money stressed than what
the government was requesting via the forfeiture. We both have
newborn children and couldn't keep dragging on this civil matter
any longer, and as attorney fees were adding up. This

(08:28):
is why civil forfeiture is such a hotly debated topic
in America, which really pisces me off, because civil asset
forfeiture is fun up for a lot of reasons. Namely
the fact that it's primarily used as an excuse for
cops in the South and the Southwest to take cash
and vehicles from brown people and anyone who's not white,
and like, then you know, it'll be like the case
of the State of Arizona versus a two thousand seven
Toyota camry, or the case of Texas versus fourteen thousand

(08:50):
dollars in cash. What's happening here is the Krassenstein's were
caught committing massive wire fraud, and the d o J
rightfully took the yat. But you see the little the
year was this when this happened, that's not a long time.
It's not a long time ago at all. It's it's
a kind of appropriation, right, like getting caught for committing
a really shady act and then trying to attach yourself

(09:12):
to a legitimate and justice. I don't know what the
word for that is. It's yours there, posers, man, I
don't know what's a better word than that. But like,
there's obviously awful people are just using oblivious people to
their advantage. It's just like yeah, yeah, oblivious and desperate,
like you wouldn't be on those sides unless you were desperate.
And speaking of oblivious and desperate, starting in you know,

(09:34):
the end of two thousand and sixteen, the beginning of
two seventeen, all of us were a little bit desperate
because yeah, thank you, thank you, and so the krassin Stein,
since they seemed like they couldn't scam in the old way,
realized that with all of this desperation over the election
of Donald Trump and all of the fear and the
left and big chunks of the center, there was another

(09:54):
opportunity for them to make a bucket of money. So
they landed on making themselves into figureheads of the hashtag resistance.
I hate them, Yeah, they're they're pretty shitty. Both brothers
built up their best Twitter following by repeatedly tweeting variations
of impeach Trump. At one point, Brian posted it eleven

(10:15):
times in a single tweet. They also followed over four
hundred thousand accounts and you know, to get people to
follow them back as such. On his LinkedIn profile, Brian
currently calls himself a Twitter personality, which it's the job
title you've aired if you list that as a thing
on your resume. Now, the former Finance advisors have rebranded

(10:37):
themselves now as journalists. Uh. In two thousands seventeen, they
launched a news website called Independent Reporter at i R
dot net, a website that used to be titled Investor
Relations but was repurposed in order to capitalize on the
profitability of partisan news. Yeah, here's think progress quote. Among
the nine writers listed on the site, two or the
krassin Stein's three haven't written anything in six months, and

(10:59):
two haven't contributed anything since two thousand and fifteen. The
two remaining writers, Whitney Hippolyte and Heidi Milkert, have likewise
written nothing on the site since two fifteen. They are
also the Krassenstein's wives. Oh it just got worse and
worse the more you talked. It's about to get so
much worse. So last October, the Krasenstein's embarked on their
griftyest grift yet, a children's book titled How the People

(11:22):
Trumped Ronald Plump. They brought Shouldren into Day. They did
bring children into this. Here's how they explained the genesis
of their opus. In the book's press release, President Trump
is a counter example to the examples I try to
set from my children. Co author Ed Krassenstein stated, it's
difficult when we teach our children how to act one way,

(11:42):
but then the president of the United States acts the
complete opposite way. This man is supposed to be a
role model for our kids, but in my opinion and
then the opinions of many other parents, he's simply teaching
kids bad lessons and poor morals. I mean, like, yeah,
it's all well and good, but knowing where it's coming
from makes it like no. Knowing that, like, this is
a guy who committed massive Come on, dude, you can't

(12:02):
take anything seriously. No, no, no, no. So uh That's
what Ed claims led him and his brother Brian to
write a humorous children's book, which is essentially Build is
trying to make sense of and explain the actions at
President Trump through a character named Ronald Plump. They're very,
very clever. They do well. They don't even know wheter

(12:23):
I'm that good. It gets really bad in the second.
Here's another quote from the press release. Quote, Ronald Plump
is a man who is elected leader of the town
do work city. Do you get it? Because because New
York but do work. They're very they're very smart, very hard.
Plump's actions go against the morals which we teach our kids.

(12:46):
But in the end, hope quality, love, and basic human
values prevail. Parents will love this book's humor and storyline
just as much, if not more, than their children. So
you have this horrified look on your face. Them Yeah,
they're so so Like the thing I'm like thinking about
is like, not only is like one person has to
exist to be awful, like one of the brothers, but

(13:08):
not only that there's another version of him, a brother
that is equally as bad. And not only that two
women married these people. So are the women also like
complicit in all of this or like, are like are
aware that their husbands are just like actual garbage scammers
and they're just like, yeah, I put my name on
the website or do they know the names? Like you

(13:30):
think like there's like not everyone's shitty, but then they're like, oh, no,
maybe they are. Yeah, I mean I think everybody in
this case is probably shitty except for their kids, Like, well,
who knows they're teaching them with Robert Plump Ronald Ronald Plump. Sorry,
Robert human, No, it's okay. But if you think Ronald
Plump is not the most creative name for a fake

(13:52):
Trump character, it's about to get it gets real bad. So.
Characters in the book include We've Bannon, a squirrel who actions,
who axis poems hairpiece and controls his thoughts. Even though
the book came out more than a year after Steve
Bannon stopped working at the White House, the Cress and
Scenes knew that some jokes are just so good that

(14:13):
they never age. If you guys had seen my face
when I heard the name We've bannon, we've bannoned, I
almost walked the funk out of here. It's it's it's offensive, right,
I'm I fully expect that, like a good twenty percent
of people who had to pull their headphones off of
their their head just hearing that, Like it hurt to
write We've we've banned, No, you can't. Other hilarious ripped

(14:38):
from the headslines. Character names from this wonderful story book
include oh No, loud, Mere Tuton, a fart themed Vladimir
Putin who farts rockets for some reason that I don't
think it's ever. It's a better joke on the jokes
are there, You're gonna make a fart joke. Poopin is
even is even more clever. It's not that clever. But

(14:59):
it's better than loudmere, loudmere, what the what the fuck?
We're not done. So you're complimenting them on their rhyme
scheme with Ronald plump, I'd love to rhyme, you want
to guess with their Jared Kushner stand in is named
um flaccid Bush. See that's good, that's a fun name.

(15:23):
They call him Jared Nepotism. What that was unexpected? Yeah,
that wasn't turn. We took a turn. Yeah, it's just poop.
It's just poop that somebody turned into a book. I
don't know. There's like funny attempts at cleverness. There's no

(15:43):
I don't know. I can't think of them. For Jared,
there was more creativity involved in the name you came
up within two and a half seconds than the entirety
of the book that they spent months working on. Thank you.
I'll think about it as a compliment, but also sad.
So now the hero of the book is a six
pack having shirtless Robert Mueller stand in whose name is
Robert Moral. Of course that almost sounds not terrible next

(16:07):
to jaredy nepotism Moral. Sure, Now, I was not willing
to purchase a copy of this book because I want to.
I'm glad you have your own morals. Yeah, I have
some standards, and this is one of them. But I
did read several re views of it. Gizmoto editor Tom
McKay was the first person to point out that the
book includes a rape sack which Ronald Plump uses to

(16:28):
kidnap Elizabeth Warren. I'm gonna show you a picture from
this book. I want you to just take it in
and then I want you to read the text on
the page. My eyes and scared. What the fuck you
want to describe that? It'll be on our website behind
the bath com if you want to look at it.
So this obviously it's Trump. It's a cartoon of a

(16:50):
little Trump. Um. He has something on his head that's
we've bannon. It's the squirrel that yeah, oh he is
the hairpiece is the hairpiece I thought he made? My god?
Um yeah, Elizabeth Warren is literally busting out of the sack.
He's like carrying her like he's like sucking Santa Claus. Um.
And she has a shirt on this has persist. Her

(17:12):
arms are jack good for her? Um. And the fucking
thing he's going into Trump tower. She's turned he like
his heads over his shoulder, like she's getting out of
my rapsack. And then the text on the thing says
Ronald Plump believed that he could every day grab any
woman and just take her away away to his tower
and his big burlap sack. Plump took every woman he

(17:33):
wanted until one fought back. Oh my fucking god, I
can do as I choose, Plump insisted, and was a
Trump Plump insisted. Nevertheless, this woman, she persisted, proving a
point and proving she's equal. This woman succeeded and showing
the people that women and men are created the same
and through equality. That's a lot to gain. Okay, surface
level good points, but when you really look at the text,

(17:57):
that's every what they are a way her ways to
make the point about sexism than having the rapes I
just have. This is so troubling. Yeah for kids, well yeah,
and that that's part of the thing is that like
it's it's clearly written until one fought back. Yeah, yeah,
like Elizabeth Warren was the first person also, which is

(18:18):
but it's also like what is a kid going to get?
Kids not going to know anything about like Nevertheless, she persisted,
or something like a fucking six year old. They're not
going to get the references being made. It's just it's
maybe the worst writing that anyone's done. It's bad. I'm disturbed.
You should be. It's really bad. I thought We've Bannon
was bad enough. I didn't know his face was on it,

(18:39):
Like We've Bannon's almost the highlight. Yeah, it's the saving grace.
That's a little bit of humor. Speaking of a little
bit of humor, you know what I love, Sharine when
I get horrified about grifting. Yeah, commercial breaks, let's have
some kids. Yeah, we're back, and our souls are trying

(19:04):
to exit our bodies through our eyes. Trauma. Trauma. We
keep a reverse pressure flow in this room for that
exact purpose. So I googled around for some other reactions
to the book, because again I was not about to
read this piece of ship myself, and I found a
Reddit threat about it, where one user states you have
to admire their talent for grift ed. Krassenstein himself jumped

(19:26):
into the reddit thread and responded to this. We ordered
two thousand copies. All profits from the sale of these
copies will go to charity. If I'm a grifter, then
I'm grifting for the children who are separated from their parents.
If I'm a grifter, than anyone who promotes themselves with
their work on Twitter are also grifters. At least mine
is for a good cause. And the immediate response to
that was someone quoting we ordered two thousand copies and

(19:48):
saying literally what a grifter would say. Yeah, that sounds
like you're a grifter creeping on reading anyway. Yeah, there's
ways to prom about your work without being a grifter.
You're just a grifter. Yeah, also show their fucking receipts ed, Yeah,
fucking ed piece of ship. So yeah, this book is

(20:09):
an isore and a piece of unfathomabile garbage. And yes,
it's pretty offensive that in addition to trying to appropriate
civil asset forfeiture, they're now appropriating the separation of families
at the border as like, is there like causes that
deserve attention? And yeah, like and they're profit. That's infuriating.
They're horrible people. That's infuriated. Horrible people. And they are

(20:32):
only the second grossest, most shameful low run con artists
of two thousand eighteen. Because this year is the deathless
pit of despair. Brian and Ed Krassenstein actually wound up
confronting the only grifter on the planet worse at grifting
than they are, a young man named Jacob Wool. So
they were like, you think you're better than us. They
reported him to the FBI. We're about to get to why,

(20:53):
Oh my god. So Jake Wohl's story proves that regardless
of what side of the political is, La Connor just
winds up, they all have more in common with each
other than anyone else. Wool was born in nineteen seven
Middle I've seen pictures of his child and stuff. He
played football at school. There's like pictures of him was
posing with guns at shooting ranges. He seems to have
grown up pretty affluent kids somewhere in California. Yeah, class act.

(21:17):
He's a rich little ship who at age seventeen, started
the Wool Capital investment Group. Fun his dad helped. His
dad is a stock market analyst. He never talks about
that in the interview. Yet years old and all of
myself the help of mine. Well, that's how we wanted
to get famous as the teenager who runs a heads front.
So he started showing up at age seventeen and a

(21:38):
bunch of financial news shows to be interviewed, because it's
hard to fill time if you're doing a financial news show.
Here's a clip of him on Fox News, Jacob the
Wall of Walls Wall. He's a seventh year ol high
school football and basketball player and by the way, hands
fund manager. All Right, first of all, before we even
get the bonodtext, we gotta ask how did you get started? Well,

(21:59):
I've always an interest in finance and getting started. I thought,
what better way than to put myself out there and
to just start a hedge fund? And that's what I did.
You want to describe his face to me? SERI punsible, punsible,
little fucking insect. There's a German word and it's like
backshaik or something like that. I can't pronounce it. It's

(22:20):
it's there's a German word that the literal translation is
a face and need of a fist. And that's how
Jacob Wol looks, in need of in need of a fist,
like he needs to be puss. I thought, why not
hush funds? Why don't you fucking funk yourself? Are you
kidding me? Also, the fact that he appeared on Fox News.
Isn't that telling enough? Yeah? Well, he appeared on a

(22:43):
lot of shows. I also watched another interview that Vice
did with him. In this interview, Will argued that the
capital requirements on hedge fund investors were too high and
that's why the rich keep getting richer because poor people
aren't allowed to invest in hedge funds, which seems to
me him basically saying I should be to trick poor
people who aren't as financially literate into taking their money,

(23:04):
and like, you can do this too, I can help. Yeah, exactly,
that's what I do want to say. I feel like
I get in trouble on my podcast for saying funk
a lot, and I don't get taken as seriously. So
I'm gonna try to not say funk as much. What
if I just say funck a bunch of times and
that way, Yeah, well that way. If anyone doesn't take
you seriously for saying fun then it's just sexism. There's
no getting those people on board either way. I like this, warright,

(23:25):
I'm gonna say fuck seven times. Let's do it. Fuck
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Let's sucking like three fucking,
fucking fucking great cool. Alright, We're good. Alright, let's roll on, okay.
So um, so yeah, that's why Jacob Bowle thinks that
rich keep getting richer in the poor keep getting poores
because poor people can invest in hedge funds. That's what

(23:45):
they're thinking. So in pretty much every TV appearance he did,
it was noted by someone that his nickname was the
Wool of Wall Street. Barf. Barf is the only response
to that. Now. In the Vice interview when they brought
this up, he assures the interviewer that he doesn't like
that nickname. He actually hates it. So we're going to

(24:06):
run a clip from that Vice interview and see Jacob
responding to talk of his nickname. So here's the clip
from Vice titled Meet the teen finance Guru who makes
more money than you st How do you feel about that?
I think that most of the behavior you see in
that movie is completely reprehensible. It plays a bunch of
clips from the thing. So he's he's anti the Wolf

(24:28):
of Wall Street in the interview and he says that,
you know, it's it's gross what they did, and it's gross.
Don't call me that. Don't call me that, but also
keep calling me that, Yeah, it becomes very clear throughout
his life that that's actually exactly how he wants to
be seen. Uh. In two thousand seventeen, Jacob Wole interviewed
Jordan Belfort, the actual Wolf of Wall Street, for his
podcast Offended America. In the podcast, he reveals a deep

(24:49):
familiarity with Belfort's writing and ideas, and it's pretty clear
to me that in fact, there's nothing will once more
than to be seen as his successor. Uh. Back in
two thousand sixteen, as the presidential election heated up, Jacob
will continue to show up on financial news shows. He
quickly pivoted to identifying as a Trump supporter and became
known for claiming on TV that huge numbers of young
people were secret Donald Trump fans. Uh. Just for some

(25:10):
reference and estimated of millennials voted for Donald Trump, which
is the same percentage of millennials who voted for Mitt
Romney in two thousand and twelve. There's no evidence for
Jacob's constant claims that young people are secretly below I
mean a lot of a lot of far right land
yours will make a lot of claims without any evidence
at all. Really, yeah, I haven't heard of that. Well,
climate change is real. We were talking earlier today. I'm

(25:34):
cold and I wore a long sleeve shirt today, but
it's mesh. Well, now it doesn't. The fact that you're
wearing a long sleeve shirt disproved climate change. But it's mesh.
Oh okay, so climate change is real again. In l A. Yeah,
in l A. This is cold weather apparel. This is
cold cold weather while the city burns down. Um. Yeah.
By the way, we have a history of doing free

(25:55):
ads on this on the show, do you Yeah, we do. So.
I just wanted to let you know that I'm drinking
a cherry lime lacroix right now, and it tastes exactly
like a melted Lollipop's good? Is that a good review
or it's a bad review. It tastes like, um, if
you get those freezer pops right and you melt one
and then deluded in water, That's what this lacroix taste.

(26:15):
But the thing is you keep drinking it. I mean
it's doing some right. My throat dries out. It's not great. Yeah,
there's this thing they have in the world called water,
and it actually quenches your thirst more than like a
sugary beverage. Now, maybe you can help me with this.
I've heard about this water. I've also heard that fish
fucking it. And I don't know if that's the reason
you don't drink water. Well, it seems like something disreputable.

(26:38):
Let's get back to Jacob Wool. So two thousand and sixteen,
the year that Jacob wool pivoted hardcore into being a
very vocal Trump supporter, was also the first year that
he ran into trouble with regulators. He wasn't obeying every
long seventeen year old hedge one manager that loves Trump?
What was the subject of an investigation by the natche

(27:00):
Futures Association, a non government but government authorized regulator that
investigates fraud within the industry. The n f A was
interested in Jake because they had actually read through the
promotional material he put together for his new hedge fund,
Next Capital Management. They found that Next videos were quote
unbalanced in their presentation of profit potential and risk of loss.
They also found that Wold had worked as a fund

(27:20):
manager before he or his hedge fund were actually registered,
which is, you know, a crime. The n f A
report cites the claim of one investor who says he
sent Woll seventy five thou dollars and was told Wol
had grown a to eighty nine thou five d dollars
in a few months. The investor tried to withdraw his
money and Woll only sent him forty four thousand dollars,
claiming the fund had suffered sudden losses. The n f

(27:40):
A found that basically his training account had made a
small amount of money, but he was claiming massive losses
as soon as people tried to withdraw the money, which
is again a scam. Yeah, I think as a called
it a scam, fucking scab. Yeah, yeah, no, it's fine,
it's fine. I said again, no again, no it's fine.
It's fine. And that's why we did the whole me

(28:01):
saying right, okay, so I can say it again. Yeah, exactly,
you get at least five or six Fox banked seven. Yeah. Cool.
The Daily Beast looked through the an old archived version
of NeXT's website from before the investigation, and they found
evidence that Wool may have slightly misrepresented his credentials to investors,
namely by claiming he had any uh. He wrote on

(28:21):
his website that he had quote greater than ten years
trading experience across many asset classes. In order for this
to be true, what would have needed to start investing
as an eight year old? Oh my god, I've been
doing it for ten years because I've been listening to
my dad. Here's a quote from The Daily Beast. N
f A agents showed up at NeXT's supposed offices, which

(28:44):
turned out to be a Los Angeles home, where no
one answered will did not return their emails or phone calls.
When the n f A returned to the home the
following day, the exam team noticed someone at the second
floor window who appeared to be taking photos or a
video of the exam team. According to the filing, They
soon received a stern phone call from Wolve's father, lawyer,
who allegedly threatened to call the police on the regulators,
warning them to stay away or else. So, um, yeah,

(29:07):
that's your hiding. Sounds totally legit to leousands. Sixteen was
not a great year for Jacobole's career as a hedge
fund manager. That year, the Arizona Corporation Commission also gave
his businesses a cease and assist order. The a c
C claimed that he had violated the Securities Act by
selling unregulated securities. Yeah. See. Some of Wol's former clients
were Arizona residents who say that he told them he

(29:29):
managed a hundred and seventy eight different accounts with up
to a hundred thousand dollars in assets. The a CEC
believes Wold had roughly thirteen accounts worth as much as
five hundred thousand dollars. So he's basically claiming that he
was running like a hundred and seventy eight different accounts
that had more than like a hundred grand or something. Incredible. Incredible, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Clients he became suspicious of his company and demanded their

(29:49):
money back. Regularly got about half of what they put
in out, So he was, you know, stealing, you could
call it stealing. So the a c C took issue
with wolves other business, Montgomery Assets, a re the state
investment firm. One of the Craiglist dads he posted, claimed
that the company owners had thirty five years experience flipping homes.
The Daily Beast notes that Wool and his partner had
a combined age of forty five. When Montgomery Assets client

(30:14):
claimed that Jacob sent her a letter about a volatility
event that he said was about to hit the market.
Wool advised her to sell her other investments, all of
her other investments, and invest all of her money in
his firm. Now. While all this was going on, Jacob
began to create a stir on social media, where he
was also increasingly active. In between hosting a conservative podcast
and uh Offended America, Yeah, Uh might be might be

(30:38):
offended because of the theft to defend people. People are
mad because you're steal from taking the money. Between that
and making increasingly bizarre claims about millennial infatuation with Donald Trump,
he started doing everything in his power to look exactly
like a two thousand teens version of Jordan Belford. On
April fifteen, two sixteen, Value Walk, a site that writes

(30:58):
about investment firms and the like, published an article about
the corporate culture at Next, which is again his nudge
fun Thing, posted a clip from a company promotional video
which lists an attractive young Instagram model named Jennifer Cole
is his director of Fun. Director of director of Fun.
It's a job to make sure everyone's having a good time.

(31:18):
It's a cool company. It's Ja and one friend in
a house in Laurel Canyon scamming people say she looks
she's hot and it's an investment and a teenager come
um now. Value Walks Report also noted that his website
listed Rachel Fox, an actress who played someone named Kayla

(31:41):
on The Desperate Housewives, as the inspiration for his company's
investment strategy. Quote. In an interview with Value Walk, Fox
claimed not to know Wool and said she only learned
of his trading program through a Value walk article. Weird
delie that an actress is like a public figure, like
like she can deny claim and she had she had
done some work as like investing in hedge funds at

(32:04):
some point in her career, but like she was nobody's
big name. Like it's a weird thing to lie about,
just like Google, like celebrities that also invested. A good
conman would lay lion say that it's someone like Warren Buffett,
but they'd say that they've been tutored in some vague
way that would be hard to disprove. And like, you
pick someone who's as busy as Warren Buffett, isn't gonna
say anything, Yeah, exactly. You don't pick a social media

(32:26):
active actress like what are you doing, Jacob Wool. He's
a stupid, stupid man boy boy, Yeah, for sure, for sure,
boy scumboy, scumboy. Jacob Wowl seems to have had a
thing for hiring models to just sort of hang around
his businesses. Twitter users put together a number of Craigslist
ads from his real estate firm asking for models and such.

(32:49):
An Orange County ads stated quote, we need models for
promo modeling events including conferences, trades, show seminars, et cetera.
We also have other modeling opportunities, including bikini modeling and
fashion modeling. If you the type for that sort of modeling,
that's nice. The Daily Beast did a domain registry search
on Mr Wol's businesses and found something rather interesting. Quote
the website registry database domain Tools shows a number of

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websites registered to Woll's name. Some are definitely Wolds, including
the domain for his short lived media outlet Offended America,
and domains that are described in the A C C
filing as belonging to his businesses. Others with names like
Wol girls dot com and Melanie Rio's Management dot com,
the name of a porn actress appeared to solicit more
salacious business. In response to this, Woll stated, fake websites

(33:31):
and Craigslist ads were posted by trolls of mine in
two thousands sixteen, and I immediately reported them to the FBI.
Woll told The Daily Beast he declined to specify which
websites and ads were the alleged frauds and declined to
answer further questions yeah convenient. The Daily Beast also talked
to the mother of one young woman who was featured
as a wool girl. She claims that Jacob lied to

(33:53):
her daughter and said that he could make her famous
by building a professional modeling website for her, and that
she agreed. But instead of doing that, this lady's mother
says quote, he took some of her photos, either from
Snapchat or Instagram that she had posted and created a
page for her called the wool Girl of the Month.
From there, he put up photos and made the page
seem inappropriate and dangerous, so the would be models mother

(34:15):
actually wound up calling Jacob and confronting him on the phone. Quote.
I thought he was probably an older man trying to
exploit a young woman. When I contacted him on the phone,
I could tell he was young and idiotic. I told him,
you take that site down, you take any reference to
her out of your world or else. He got very
scared and was like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry,
and apologized profusely and took it down. What a little bit.

(34:35):
I like that lady's mom. I like, you gotta, you
gotta confront a little ship. Yeah. I mean, she would
have done it anyway, even if he was an old guy,
but the fact that he was a young guy I
made it even more like she just like talking to
him like a mom. Yeah, which is the right way
to talk to a child. Yeah. So we're gonna get
onto how Jacob Wile got banned from the finance industry forever,
and then we're going to talk about how he decided

(34:57):
to take on Robert Mueller, uh, which is maybe biting
off a little bit more than he should have tried
to chew. But before we do that, let's talk about

(35:23):
and we're back. We're talking about Jacob Woole, the wool
of wall st the worst grifter I may have ever
heard of, which normally I like to talk about more
impressive people in this but he's just so bad. I
couldn't stop much. I don't like, I mean, grifter sounds
like a badass thing though it does sound, but it's
like a shitty thing to be. He's he's the living

(35:47):
human embodiment of a single spam email. That's what Jacobill was. Okay, So,
in early two thousand seventeen, Jacob Bowl received a lifetime
ban from the n f A for his part. Will
portrays the National Futures Association is basically a group of
but heard activists. Um because the n f A isn't
a government body. He basically says, they're just a bunch

(36:08):
of busy bodies and they're not a government agency. They
don't have any real authority to regulate things. And he'll
do this in interviews than the vice interview and they
don't really push. They kicked him out after all this
ship down because they were the ones that they were,
like the regulator, the team that wanted to investigate. Did
they ever actually investige? Oh yeah, yeah they did, And
they gave him a lifetime ban because he broke a
bunch of laws. And he would basically say like, well,

(36:29):
they're not a government body, it's just a bunch of
busy bodies. But the fact of the matter is. The
n f A is a self regulating body for the
futures industry. Membership in it is required by law for
traders and major buyers. Congress has given this non government
organization the ability to regulate the industry. They are very
much authorized to do this. Ship like fucking rich people
think they can do whatever the funk they want. Yeah,

(36:50):
and Jacob Bowl did for a long time, did well
about a year that he didn't get that long. That's
a good point. And his teams, I will say he
got caught pretty early, what with his incompetence. Yeah. Also,
in two thousands seventeen, the Arizona Corporation Commission issued a
cease and assist order against wol for wildly misleading investors

(37:10):
and misrepresenting the size of his businesses. He was ordered
to pay thirty two thou nineteen dollars in restitution and
five thousand dollars in penalties. Wolve's attorney asked for a
four week continuance because his big shot client, who lived
at the same Laurel Canyon house his company used as
an office, couldn't make the first payment, which I just
like that. I'm gonna guess his dad's probably paying funding

(37:31):
the bill for a lot of this. Yeah. So an
Arizona Central article written about wolves legal trouble revealed that
quote Wolves troubles in Arizona began in two thousand and
fifteen when two residents of the state contacted wol after
seeing his media appearances. They note that Wall called the
a c C a racketeering organization full of angry Democrats,
and while it is true that the a c C
head was accused of accepting bribes in exchange for votes

(37:52):
on the utilities issue, the man accused as a registered
Republican and wasn't actually convicted anyway. So Jacob woll Um,
I also, I just think it's funny that his need
to be on the news and known as the teen
investment grow is what got him caught, right, Yeah, that's
not going to be the last time you hear about
that that sort. That's why he's like a millennial trash though,
you know what I mean, Like he wanted the fucking

(38:13):
verified check mark. Yeah, is the millennial investment expert and stuff. Yeah,
he thought that was the path to good money. And
if he hadn't been so dumb, it might have been.
If he'd been a little bit more careful. But he
was not, and he's dumb now. In spite of the
fact that wolves love of publicity had now definitely destroyed
several of his businesses, Jacob was not yet ready to
give up the line light or to give up social media.

(38:35):
In fact, over the years, his Twitter presence has grown
to more than a hundred and seventy five thousand followers,
some of those probably hate followers. Up until very recently,
he was most renowned for posting numerous stories of his
trips to what he called hipster coffee shops in Los Angeles,
where he claimed to repeatedly overhear young Democrats secretly admit
their admiration and love of Donald Trump. Oh my god,

(38:56):
get a fucking hobby, dude, Like, are you serious? Yeah,
I'm really serious. It's like a better way to show it,
like you're unemployed in like a living husk of nothing,
Like I'm going to go to every coffee shop and
then pretend to hear things and then lie about what
people say when it's also somebody pressed him on, like
what he was talking about when he said something was
a hipster coffee shop and he was like talking about
a coffee bean in Westlake. There's like a thousand coffee

(39:18):
beans around the world, like a billion hip your coffee shop,
it's not the one in fucking Westlake. Yeah, it's not
a coffee bean where you go to get coffee when
you can stop. Yeah, yeah, when you have to the
coffee bean. Sometimes you just need So During this time,

(39:39):
Jacob started to write for Gateway Pundit, a fake news
website run by a former John Deer catalog model with
no relevant experience in politics or journalism. Gateway Pundit is
regularly sided in Fox News for an example of the
level of quality and Gateway Pundits reporting. At one point,
they picked up a story about how the Kremlin thought
Barack Obama was literally insane. According to Media Matters, the
story of originated from the European Union Times, an anti

(40:02):
Semitic website with a section devoted to Jews. So what
this is just the quality of the website he's working with.
This is like they pick up stories from anti Semitic
keep saying words, and I felt like I'll be like
that sucks, and you'll keep talking and I'll be like, wait,
that's even that's stupid, and then I'll just like I'm
just my face is just a permanent like like hello darkness,

(40:25):
my old friend. That would be good theme music for
this show. Uh So, there's something unsettling to me about
the fact that once finance was closed as a grifting
opportunity and real estate should add. Jacoble immediately landed on
journalism as the next way to try to make his mark.
He founded his own website of The Washington Reporter, which

(40:47):
you know he called despite the fact that he lives
in Los Angeles. He claimed that The Washington Reporter was
non partisan, and his website included a code of ethics
prominently displayed on the site. Unfortunately, splinter News revealed that
the code of ethics on his website was plagiarized entirely
from pro Publica. Oh my god, stole his website, his
code of ethics. You can google that, like try her. Yeah, now,

(41:12):
write every single paper in college. But I made it
look like I did. Yeah, you fake it a little
bit better than that, Jacob Wolf sucking asshole. Uh So,
when asked about this point by Gizmoto, Will replied, I
didn't create that part of the website, but if our
policy is similar to that of another reputable site, I
think that's fantastic. Oh my god, it's the exact same. Yeah.

(41:33):
Gizmoto went on to note quote Wolf said he would
not respond to further questions about this non news gossip
about whether or not I date Instagram models is none
of your concern. He said, no one had accused him
of dating Instagram. I was just gonna say, like, what's
the last light of the gismoto article accused him of
dating Instagram models. That's a good article right there. It's

(41:54):
some good that's some good journalism shade. No one accuses
meving giant dick, stop talking about my so during two eighteen,
Wold's biggest claims to fame, where of course his constant
tweets about hyster coffee shops and the fact that Donald
Trump retweeted him I think twice, mostly because he would
just say nice things about the economy. And but then

(42:15):
on October seventeenth, a woman named Lorraine started emailing reporters
around the US. She claimed to have worked with special
counsel Robert Mueller when he was a lawyer in the
nineteen seventies, and said that she had been approached by
a guy named Jack Berkman, now Jack Berkman is another grifter.
We don't have enough time to get into a heavy
detail here, but prior to this, his main claim to
fame was that he investigated the murder of d NC

(42:37):
staffer seth Rich. He claimed to have found a man
named Luke who said was an intelligence industry veteran who
knew that the d E A and A t F
had murdered seth Rich, presumably in order to help Hillary
Clinton somehow some cards, even one type of ship. Yeah,
some some bullshit. He held a big press conference to
have Luke tell his story on the phone to the
assembled world media, but Luke never called. So it's just

(42:58):
a press conference with nstors. So you can see why
reporters immediately suspected something fishy now that Berkman's name was involved.
So weirdly enough, the Lorraine story didn't hold up at
all to scrutiny. No one by that name worked at
the firm with Mueller. The journalists checked into this, but
Berkman did post on social media around that time asking
for women with stories about being sexually harassed by Robert
Mueller to come forward. And then, well, here's a quote

(43:21):
from website The Cut ed krass Erstein that the Hill
reporters said that when he was looking into the Lorraine claims,
he received a threatening phone call from a man claiming
to work for Serfire Intelligence. When krass Erstein reached out
to Berkman, Berkman told him he's familiar with Surefire Intelligence
and that they do a lot of good research and
that it's run by Jacob wol So this is a
little bit messy, but Surefire Intelligence is essentially a fake

(43:44):
intelligence company that Jacob Bowl on its service, supposed to
be operated by former Israeli Massad people, but is really
just Jacob Bowl. So they started reaching out to a
bunch of people saying that they basically had a an
accuser of Robert Mueller that was going to come out
and give speeches, and obviously a bunch of people started

(44:04):
poking holes in this straight away. Oddly enough, fucking the
krass and Stein brothers were some of the first people too,
I guess because they got emails about this report that
they came to his defense. No, no, no, no no.
They were some of the first people to connect this
stuff with Berkman to Surefire Intelligence and Jacob wol and
then reported it to the FN They came to Robert
defense saying yeah, yeah, yeah, Robert. So this is how

(44:29):
the other scammers come into this. As they come to
his defense, they reveal that Jacob Wol and Surefire Intelligence
are connected to this emerging scheme, and then they report
him to the FBI. Not the only people who reported
Jacob Bowl to the FBI, but yeah, that's the fucking Crafts.
They don't wanted to dig their nose in, They just yeah,
they had to get involved. So now, as soon as
Surefire Intelligence dropped into the news cycle, open source journalists

(44:50):
began digging into its digital footprint. People from I think
the Daily Beast called several of the phone numbers associated
with the business, and it was Jacoble's mom who didn't
seem to know anything about the scheme. O, god, his mom,
pick your mom's phone number? Well, it was just he
hadn't even intended to give a phone number, but like
he had registered the business to try to do things
to make it look legitimate, and he gave like family

(45:12):
cell phones and stuff. Oh my god, Uh, well your
self accountable, but your own cell phone? Yeah yeah. Eric
Toler and editor for Belling Cat awful to be his
mother yeah, it would be anyone related to him. Um
Eric Toler, and editor at Belling Cat, looked into Sherefire's
extensive website, which was posted shortly before the allegations came out,

(45:33):
and he found a number of interesting things. So on
its surface, the website looked pretty kind of legitimate, but
it all sort of fell apart once you did any
sort of digging into it. Their Tel Aviv station chief
was a picture of Israeli supermodel bar Rafeli, Their investigator,
Donald Treehorn was a stock photo model with gray scale
applied to it. Their l A based investigator, Mark Teller

(45:54):
was really Nick Hopper, a British model, and Simon Frick
there's Zurich based financial crimes and stigator was a picture
of Oscar winning actor Christoph Walsh. This just suriates me
because like, you can get away with stuff if you're
just a little smart. I'm glad you didn't get away
with it, but like, okay, For example, when I was
in high school, my ap English teacher hated me because

(46:15):
my older sister was like he was she was like
the star child, and then I had him and he
was like, you're never going to be as good a sister.
So I plagiarized every paper that she had ever written.
I found on the computer and I just submitted it
as my own the entire year, and he gave me
a litwer grades than her, even though it's exact same paper. Um,
but you see, I got away with it. And then
on my senior speech, I cried because I made up

(46:36):
a story but going blind. Um, but like I love
that we're getting a little bit of your grifting in here.
But oh yeah, I'm a fraud. But the point is,
But the point is, if you want to fucking be smart,
don't put a well known celebrities photo as supposed to
be like a representative of like who you have behind

(46:57):
like back in your fucking company? Are you kidding me?
Like that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And fucking
Jane Mayer of Dark Money found out he I forgot
the name he had, but he put in the name
of the person who supposedly ran his firm, and he
came with a fake name. But the picture was just
Jacob Wohl. But the picture reversed and darkened. Its just
who did have his face? What dummy with like paint

(47:18):
and thats paint is like running your fucking thing. It
makes me furious. He clearly knew enough to know that
if you alter a photo somewhat, it makes it harder
to trace back on Google image search, so they reverse
image search. So he did a couple of small changes,
but he didn't do it well. And like the picture
of Christoph Waltz was like clearly Christoph Waltz, Like if
you've seen him in a movie, you couldn't pick him, Like,

(47:40):
that's not Zerich based financial charts. Also, like there are
lesser known people than bar Refaeli, daily Our DiCaprio, like
or like like are you serious, Like that's the people
that you someone who has gone away with a lot
of stuff. Yeah. Another thing that other people noted is
that like the investigator that Jacob pretend it to be
to communicate with a number of journalists was Donald Treehorn,

(48:03):
which is of course a reference to The Big Lebowski's
Jackie Treehorn. Because I think wol thinks he's so smart
that he's the only person who's watching one of the
most popular films ever made. Yeah, he's just a dumb kid.
He just a dumb kid. I'm really glad he was
dumb enough to get caught though, very very glad. He
kept saying surefire and stuff. I just imagine the site
is like on angel Fire and GeoCities like my, my,

(48:24):
my knowledge of his site is just like pure. Yeah. So,
as all of this broke, another woman, professor Jennifer tub
came forward and said that Berkman and Wool had also
reached out to her to try and solicit stories of
sexual harassment by Robert Mueller. She immediately sent the email
they sent her to the Department of Justice, which again
part of the investor FBI investigation that's now looking into

(48:45):
Jacob Wol and hopefully on lead to some serious consequences
for him. I'm not generally a big fan of prisons,
but something bad should happen to Jacob Wowl. He should
go somewhere. He should go somewhere not good. Yeah, yeah,
something bad should happen to him. Kick out the rest
of the non criminal marijuana people and bring him in.
It could just be him and Paul Manafort in prison

(49:06):
lying in the two fucking yeah. It throw the crass
and stains in there to find that way. It's bipartisan. Yeah.
Uh So, Jacob Bowl and Jack Berkman were not about
to give up just because they've been caught committing crimes
and trying to fraudulently came that an FBI special prosecutor
was a sex criminal. They continued to double down on

(49:29):
their scheme. In the immediate aftermath of everybody busting into
the fact that Sheer Fire Intelligence was the fraud, Jacob
Bowl updated his Twitter bio to brag head of the
most well known opposition research firm in the world. That's
not even technically true, because being mocked on Twitter for
two days is not count as being well known. And then,
because sometimes sometimes God is good, bol and Berkman held

(49:53):
a press conference where they claimed good Yeah. And during
this press conference, which they hyped up to the extent
of their very tiny abilities, they claimed that they would
present a credible accuser and her allegations against Bob Mueller.
During the press conference, Wolan Berkman appeared with no accuser,
claiming that she had backed out at the last minute,
but wol insisted this was all totally real, and he

(50:15):
also insisted and stated openly that he didn't normally believe
women when they came forward with allegations of sexual assault,
in order to claim that this one was extra credible,
Like he just did everything the grossest way uh possible.
I was waiting for you to be like and then
came up Bara Fielli and Galcado. No, he did present
a picture of his credible accuser with her face blurred

(50:36):
out of him standing next to her that he in
order to proof to people that she was real. Mom
was like, why did you listen to this photo? Honey?
It's worse than that. So Internet Sluce did find the original,
unblurred version of the photo and realized it was a
picture of Wool with his former girlfriend. Oh oh my god.
Berkman and Wol handed out summaries of their evidence to

(50:56):
the assembled press, presumably to help people write stories about
what they were just sure was going to bust Robert
Mueller down to size. But in the summaries they handed out,
it turns out they misspelled the first name of the
fake woman that they brought forward on multiple occasions. Also,
Berkman's fly was down the entire press conference, Sherry right

(51:16):
on top. After the disastrous press conference, a writer with
Above the Law dot Com received an email from Surefire
intelligence partner Donald Treehorn, who claimed that they had always
wanted Professor Tobb to leak their email to the FBI quote,
I want to clear something up. Miss tab was chosen
with great care. We chose her precisely because we thought
she might act the way she did by running to
the special counsel. We knew she would not miss this

(51:38):
opportunity to get her fifteen minutes of fame. Please note
that we did not send emails to any other people
requesting information on Mueller, only miss tb. We performed extensive
research on her mindset, academic position, and political activism. It
was a bit of a long shot and she was
the only person we sent this email request to, but
it worked. She did our bidding and more so than
we could ever have expected her to. As of the

(52:00):
acording to this episode, Jacob Wohl is still under investigation
by the FBI. It's also banned from working in the
finance industry. Well, okay, I do have something to contest.
You said that the Crafts and Ship Brothers are the
second worst. They've been doing this for their whole lifetime.
They're the worst. Well, but they're the only a baby.
But he's worse at it. He's already gotten caught to Yeah,
Well that's why I'm saying he's worse than they are.

(52:22):
He's like worse like as far as like like he
got like an F, they got a I've got away
with it. Well I don't. I wouldn't say they got
an A because they got caught to Ashole, I would
say he got an F minus and they got an F.
He's the worst con man in America and they're the
second worst conman collectively. Yeah, they're so awful. Eye when

(52:42):
they come for each other, you know, you know what's
about when they're like, he's a con man? When when
when the second worst conman report the worst con man
to the FBI. That's special. It's a special time so
much that I just want to erase from my memory.
Well I can't. It's gonna be on record forever. It

(53:03):
will be grifters, grifters, So grifters. It's okay if you're
a fraud, you know. I think Robert was right in
the Beginnings episode, like a lot of people that have
creative field you feel like a fraud a lot of
the time, But just don't be a fucking grifter. Yeah, don't.
Or if you're gonna be a grifter, be a good grifter.
Be like or like, yeah, be like Robert Hood like, no,

(53:26):
scientology is not a good form of I didn't say
it was. It's an impressive grift, though it's not like
it's not. It's a disturbing it's a disturbing, destructive and
dangerous script. But at least it's not dumb. That is impressive,
to say the least. But if you're going to grift,
be a Robin Hood character and don't take advantage of
the poor and the rich day rich and the poor
day poor. No steal from rich people, is what you said. Yeah,

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if you're gonna steal, steal from the like how we're
saying he didn't knock as many cars over as you want.
As long as you're Tesla's exactly, as long as they're
Tesla's or infinities, I would say Ben's, then this is
the one I would go after. That's like old money,
you know, that's old money. Tesla can be like new money,
you know. Yeah, but Bens is the old money. Bends
his old money and it rolls roy cattle acts. Yeah,

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cattle acts. I feel my grandma drove a really old one.
Why don't you drove a Lincoln town car? I always
get those outies. Maybe I don't know. I don't know.
Maybe maybe I don't care what car you drive. Just
don't hit them unless they're driven by someone that's a dick. Yeah,
that's fair. Yeah, hit people's cars if there are dicks.

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That is the official. Also, don't cheat, don't commit crimes.
Don't cheat, don't commit crimes. Don't commit crimes unless they're's
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