May 16, 2019 • 56 mins
In Episode 61, Robert is joined by Shereen Lani Younes for an update on Jacob Wohl.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M What's griftin mcconman, I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind
the Bastards, the show where every week we talked about
the very worst people in all of history. And I
also try out a new introduction. This one was not
as inspired as the other ones, for which I apologize.
I I just couldn't come up with another. What's boiling
(00:21):
my pigannus is today? Which is ironic because I boiled
some pigannuses this morning to eat for breakfast. Sharne, how
are you doing today? That sounds so literally, I'm doing
so good, so good. It is delicious. You know, they're
basically calamari. They're so they're like kinda tangy and tender tender.
(00:41):
Oh you don't eat meat, well, boiled pig gannuses are
barely meat. I mean they're vegan. I'd say we've already
just the last episode we were on, we mentioned but
holes pretty late into the episode. But we're just right
out the gate just talking about both holes again. Okay,
we're right out the gate, which and you know, when
you think about it, Scherine, right out the gate could
even be a butthole reference. Yeah, when you poop what happens.
(01:04):
It goes right out the gate. It goes right out
the gate into what's it called the ivory, ivory throne,
the ivory throne or the top the hood of a
cop car wherever you prefer to go to the restroom.
I don't judge, or at least poop on their cars.
That seems a little bit less aggressive than fucking them, um,
because you know, consent and stuff. Um. Anyway, my guest
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this week is Sharne Lonnie Units, co host of the
ethnically ambiguous podcast Cage Fighter, and uh, facts a fact.
You're a fact? Facts. I said fact like like, yes,
I'm the co host and yes, it's facts are both facts. Yes, Uh,
listeners will be interested to know that Sharine only does
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recording sessions with tape around her knuckles covered in broken
glass in case she needs to get into a cage fight. Yeah,
that's actually that was coffential information that I only shared with,
uh my colleagues. So I'm glad you've shared that with
the whole world. Now I guess my secrets out. I'm
a badass. You do a lot of damage to the
microphone stands. So we we've we've been having some issues
(02:12):
as a result of all the glass on your wrists.
You know what, I'm sorry. I already paid back the office.
I gave them the money to to to repair the microbone.
And it's not my problem anymore, you know, it's there's
speaking of people who are everybody's problem. You know who
we're going to talk about today, Serene, I do, Oh
I do. We're revisiting an ex of mine that we
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talked about before we had an intimate but brief relationship
a couple of months ago, where we both discussed him.
Uh and now he's back in my life. What can
I say? Um? Now, now he's back in all of
our lives because he refuses to leave. Today we are
talking about our dear friend and special boy, Jacob Wool.
Special boy, what a special special boy. Punch of my face.
(02:58):
When we when we last talked about Jacob, I ended
that episode with the line. As of this episode, Jacob
Wowl is still under investigation by the FBI. He is
also still on Twitter now today, in the Year of
Our Lord twenty nineteen, only one of those things is
currently true. Jacob Bowl is no longer allowed on any
social media And we'll get to y in a little bit.
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But first let's talk about his trip to Minneapolis, Minnesota.
So on February nineteen, conservative grifter slash filmmaker Ali Alexander
created the Investigate ilhan Omar fund on his right wing
news and politics website Culture and You're done. Well, does
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it change your mind to know that his right wing
news and politics website Culture has spells culture with three
t s. The fuck why? I I don't know, you know,
I assume there's an explanation the spelling it with three k's, Like,
what's the well, I mean, I have a point, You
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have a point, Alie Alexander is is not a white guy,
so he can't be racist. So, I mean, that's just
that argument there has just wiped out immediately. He probably
we should have no issues with the documentary he makes
about ilhan Omar. That's true, you know, you know, he
probably doesn't see color. He probably uh has a lot
of good points of view that I need to hear
(04:27):
about because his experience is just so much more valid
than my own, so I must listen. Yeah. Yeah, And
his investigation of elhan Omar had had no racial tinge
to it whatsoever. He just wanted to investigate to see
whether or not she married her brother in order to
immigrate to the United States. Now, there was no evidence
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whatsoever and has never been any evidence whatsoever to substantiate
this claim. However, Alie Alexander solicited twenty five tho dollars
in donations to send a team to Minneapolis to investigate
these claims. That team wound up consisting of Jacob Wool
and Laura lumer Dream Team. Yeah, if you're unaware of
(05:14):
Miss Laura lumer Um. She is a twenty five year
old fake journalist most famous for badly handcuffing herself to
Twitter's headquarters after being banned from that service for repeatedly
harassing representative Omar. She was so bad at handcuffing herself
when she when she handcuffed herself to the door, her
goal was to stop people from entering Twitter, but she
didn't know how to operate handcuffs or doors very well,
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so she only handcuffed herself to one side of the door,
so Twitter employees were able to continue to enter and leave.
When the police showed up, they asked Twitter like, do
you want her removed? And they're just like no, Like
she can stay handcuffed to the one door, like, this
is not an SNL skit or this is our reality
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that this is Yeah, this dumb bitch. Yeah. So this
is the team. This is the dream team that Ali
Alexander assembled to investigate Ilhanna Omar's background. Um As, Luma
and Wold took to the streets of Minneapolis, they began
to fill the Internet with hilarious periscope videos of their adventures.
Here's one video clip of Jacob telling the world about
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the Sharia police, who he believes absolutely exist in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Again,
I can't emphasize enough. He's claiming, this is happening in
fucking Minnesota. Now, if you're not familiar with Minnesota, you
don't know how this works. But the Islamicist forces here
have taken over sections of the respective police departments police
in Minnesota. Now there are men who walk around an
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orange vast that say Sharia police in some of these
Somali communities, and they're enforcing Sharia lat And let me add,
you're gonna see all this in the video we're producing.
We've got two camera guys there over here and over here,
uh and and and much more production crew, you name it. Now,
here's another clip of Jacob Wohl and Lord Lumer talking
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about the massive security team they totally need for all
of the dangerous Islamists that they say are absolutely following
them around the streets of Minneapolis. Yes, yes, you have to.
We've got a top notch security team here to get
us around, get us from point to point B there
right here and right here behind the camera you can't
see him. And we've been going from point to point
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B in convoy, uh you know, armored cars, you name it,
and uh, you know, we needed to. We were afraid
that we were going to be tailed. We were afraid
that il Han, the jihadi Omar, would send somebody after
us and tail us as we got out here. Il
Han d hottest o bar are you shooting me? My
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mouth is on the floor. What the ship? Also, also
behind the camera, they're sitting in a bathroom. I can
see the reflection of the light in the mirror behind
the door behind them. There's nothing behind them but a
fucking bathroom mirror. There's no armored trucks or camera crew.
It's you're you're taking a fucking vlog for YouTube? What
the funk are you? Yeah? I wanted those back to
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back so you could hear them refer to their camera
crew as just off screen and their security crew as
Jeff stoff screen in the same video, because it's clear
that they don't have any any sort of team. Um yeah,
we all had fun, those of us who followed Jacob
Bowl on the Internet watching the ridiculous videos they put out.
There was no evidence, ever, provided that his security team existed.
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There was no evidence provided of Sharia police enforcing Sharia
law and fucking Minneapolis. Jacob Bowl did show up. Yeah,
Jacob Bowl did show up at one point in a
video wearing a fancy bulletproof vest, which was embarrassing to
me because it turns out that we both own the
same brand of bulletroof vest. Um. Yeah, we claimed we received.
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If I were you, I would never share that fact
with anybody. But it's not great. I mean, it's it's
it's it's a nice vest. Uh, it's frustrating. Um yeah,
all that vest ever wanted to do with stop bullets now? Uh.
Woll claim to have received numerous death threats while investigating
Ilhan Omar, and when the twenty three minute documentary importing
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Ilhan eventually launched on Cult to Chairs website, it included
a segment where Will reported his death threats to the
Minneapolis police. That segment of the documentary is noteworthy because
it included a close end shot of one of the
so called threats, which read, I hope you fucking know
that if I bump into you in dinky Town or
anywhere else in my city, I'm going to shoot you
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and shift on your fucking bodies. Get the funk out
of my city, you piece of ship. Now. Now, sure
keep that threatened mind, because it's going to be relevant
again in just a minute or so. But speaking of
ship again, some people are into that. People are into that,
you know. I think Jacob Bowl might be into that
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he wrote that death threat. Uh, but we'll get to
that in a second now. I've been unable to watch
a copy of the full documentary tragically, because it's been
pulled from the Internet due to several crimes that Jacob
Will committed on video. I did find one breakdown of
the film's claims against representative Omar by journalist Tony Webster.
Here's his tweet. Here's everything said about Ilhan Omar by
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interviewees and right wing video that aimed to end her career.
I don't know much about her. I met her twice,
She's held events, she's had a lot of coverage. She's okay,
she goes too fast, has to slow down. And marriage
allegation just a rumor. So that's what the documentary actually
included in terms of real revelations. For a little while,
Wol's trip to Minneapolis seemed like it might have been
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a competent grift. Everything he said there was an obvious
lie and it wasn't going to do any damage to
ilhan Omar's career. But he and Laura Lumer's claims that
they were being hunted by his Lamists and needed money
to rent armored cars were successful in drumming up thousands
of dollars in donation from gullible baby boomers who think
Minneapolis is an eye his stronghold. And then, on February
two thousand nineteen, USA Today published an interview with Jacob
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Wool titled this twenty one year old tweeted lies about
Robert Mueller and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Now he's eyeing the election.
The article opened by focusing on Wohl's latest lie. Yeah
now he is, Yeah, he's at what age would you guess?
I don't know why I thought he was way older
than that, And maybe I think it's just looks disgusting
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to the point where like a young man can't be
that that ravaged by by disease and and just filth.
You know, it's because being a gross criminal grifter ages
you like, look at Paul Redd. Paul Red's like fifty five,
and you wouldn't guess he's a day over thirty because
I don't think Paul Redd has ever been mean to anyone.
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He's just pure. Yeah, Jacob wol is just a piece
of ship. And so he looks like he's in his thirties.
I really thought he was in his thirties. This baby
just during twenty fucking one. I mean, how we already
said Laura Luomer's age, but I'm gonna guess you didn't
pay or she is? How old would you guess she
is based on the video I just saw it also
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in like late thirties. She's just no actually good for you? Also,
quick question, So they were united after she handcuffed herself
to the door. They were not friends before, but he
just like he was just like we should reunite forces
because we're both after the same target. Yeah, I think
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he saw that. And she also she showed up on
the lawn of Nancy Pelosi's house and got a couple
of illegal immigrants that she paid to like pretend to
be protesters arrested. Also after seeing the videos of them
seeing next to each other, they are one. Uh they
recorded that and they're shared hotel room show. Sophie's making
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the thing at me. Sophie says that she's not. There's
nothing his boss have dropped. While that is a valid
point pegging and probably bringing back to pegging, he actually
he's not smart enough to know how how fun that
could be. Um. But I mean, Sharine, I think what
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this means is that you and I need to film
our own documentary in the spirit of importing Ilhan called
pegging Wool. Oh my god, just just investigate the very credible.
We should definitely do pegging. But his name is Wool.
We should do shearing wool like wol oh damn, like
a fucking sheep, you know, and it will in you know,
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we'll incorporate it in somehow. Um, it'll be like the
trojan horse. The trojan horse of our documentary is the pegging,
and it's going to be. I just love a good pun.
You know, I love a good wool. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
trying to like a wool in sheets. Doesn't work. Um, well,
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we'll work on this one. Yeah. Sorry, We're gonna workshop
this next time. Well, we'll kick it around to our
writing team and we'll get back to the listeners. Your people,
my people will connect. We'll put together twenty five grand
and put up another documentary on culta to cheer. Yeah,
which I assume is how it's every time, every time
you say it, I get more and more confused. But
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it's fine. Yeah. Now. That USA Today article opened by
focusing on Jacob Wohl's latest lie. I claim that Kamala
Harris was ineligible to be president because your parents weren't
legal residents for five years prior to her birth. That
was a lie, Like literally everything ever said by Jacob Wol. Ever,
here's how the USA Today quoted the boy. The believability
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is stuck at about fifteen to eighteen percent by my measurement,
Woll said in an interview shortly afterward, declaring it not
a bad campaign. I love that you said the boy.
I like that, Yeah, I said the boy. Yeah, yeah,
quoted the Boy Oh, he's a boy he child, He's
a boy child. Yeah, he's a boy child. Now. In
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that USA Today interview, Wool was happy, I would even say,
eager to explain the other grifts and cons he had
in the works, seemingly oblivious to the fact that these
kind of things don't fucking work if you spoil them.
Quote from USA Today, he says he planned to create
enormous left wing online properties, such as deceptive Facebook and
Twitter accounts, and use those to steer the left wing
votes in the primaries to what we feel are weaker
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candidates compared with Trump. It's a plot similar to what
Mueller has charged an indictment that the Russians crafted in
an effort to boost the two thousand sixteen campaigns of
Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein and hobble Hillary Clinton. Another
stated scheme seeking to collect damaging information on left leaning nonprofits,
including Media Matters for America, the Southern Poverty Law Center,
and Right Wing Watch by offering their insiders moral reconciliation
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and if that doesn't work, things of worth, such as
money or perhaps these stated plan themselves are a ruse
to fool the mainstream media, which Wol calls a band
of lying goblins a band of that's a good band name. Yeah,
it is a good band name, Lying Goblins. Yeah. Now,
it's funny to me that Woe refers to the mainstream
media as a pack of lying goblins, because minutes later
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in the same interview, he states that the accuracy of
his statements is not the important part. He claims truth
is an obsolete concept, and brags about the fact that
he was wearing a gun to their meeting at a
hipster coffee shop in Orange County because of all of
the death threats he says he receives him. He's a goblin.
He's a little goblin. He does look like a little goblin.
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If you were going to cast another Lord of the
Rings movie, but you didn't have money for like, uh,
props and prosthetics and stuff, you could just have Jacob
Bowl play all the goblins. Yeah, And you know what
that's a good use for Jacob Bowl is having him
play goblins. Everyone has their calling, you know, some people. Yeah, yeah,
he should get out of politics and get into playing
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a gob in Peter Jackson movies. Yeah, I mean Sniegel
made it, made it, made a big deal, you know,
like he's he's out there crushing it, you know. Oh yeah,
he's doing great. Yeah. No, Gollum owns that sweetass house
in the Hollywood Hills. I think he's dating Cheryald TEGs right,
if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, will come from anyway. Yeah,
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go ahead. Sorry, I was going to say something, but
so plumb forgot. Do you remember from our last episode
how Jacob Bowl loves to make claims about things he's
overheard in hipster coffee shops. Oh my god, yes please.
One example of those tweets would be this October two.
That's an eighteen tweet. I was sitting in a hipster
coffee shop in downtown l A this morning and couldn't
help it. Over here the six college aged women seated
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at a table who were clamoring with excitement and joy
over the confirmation of Judge Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. So,
just in case you haven't listened to the other episode,
that's the kind of claims Jacob Bowl would make about
the things he overheard in hipster coffee shops. USA Today
asked him about this quote. Well, looks Lane that he
picks on bohemian coffee shops because he sees them as
the temple mount of liberalism and calculated that if you
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in any way impugne the sanctity of the hipster coffee shop,
it's going to be something that gets them really charged up.
And describing his methods well, casually explained that he makes
it up. Literally, here one thing and flip it a
hundred and eighty degrees. That's just lying. But I think
he's he's fine with that. Yeah, yeah, he's garbage. What
do you think the Starbucks order is skinny? Not that vanilla?
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Two pumps of of of what do people? I don't
drink coffee, I don't know. In the in the USA
Today interview, he just had a cup of water, I think,
because he might be we Wow, he's those He's one
of those fuckers that goes to a coffee shop and
just drinks water and sits there for hours and hours,
I think. So I get that feeling from Jacob Bowl.
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I also get that feeling that he has a delicate
constitution and coffee might hurt his tummy. Tommy tummy. What
a poor baby, What a poor little baby? You know
who's not poor baby? Cherine ad seals the sponsors and
or solicitors who solicitors negative connotation. I want to say, solicitors,
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are they negative connotation to it? People putting no solicitors
on their doors sometimes, But I don't really know what
the word means. Hit. I mean I solicit lots of stuff,
but not at doors. Yeah, true, Okay, Sorry, I'm I'm
distracting you from your main goal here. Products, We're back.
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We're we're talking about Jacob Wall in his USA Today interview. Now.
USA Today also spoke with Carolyne Cass for the article.
Miss Cass is the woman that Wol and his partner
Berkman claimed had been assaulted by Robert Mueller. Cass claimed
that she had actually tried to hire Wall when she
believed him to be a legitimate private investigator. She paid
him two thousand dollars to help her with unscrupulous characters
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ripping her off, and then was apparently promptly ripped off
by Wool himself a fake, like a pre a good teenager.
I don't understand she didn't know it was a teenager.
He used a different name, he called himself Cohen, and
she only met him on the phone up until they
were already like in business. Yeah, I'm gonna guess she
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was not the most uh careful person, which is probably
why she got ripped off by other people. Um, but
you know, if you're Jacob Bowl and you're putting out
Craigslist ads saying that this is the business you're in,
you might get some people that you can take advantage of.
Not that she deserves to be taken advantage of, but
I'm gonna guess that's kind of what happened. Um. Yeah,
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so Whole and Berkman his partner, immediately ripped Casts off.
They wrote up a list of fake allegations and Docu
signed it with her name. According to USA Today, she
claimed Cohen tried to get her to Cohen, which is
Wool tried to get her to speak at the news conference,
but she escaped and learned only as the scheme exploded
that Cohen was, in fact Wool. He completely lied to me.
Cast said, So, yeah, that's cool. Now make a notice
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of the fact that she said she had to escape
from Woolan Berkman, because this will not be the first
time somebody makes a claim or the last time somebody
makes a claim like that in this episode. Yeah. The
most impactful reveal in that USA Today article was that
Jacob Wohl bragged at length about creating fake Twitter accounts
in order to help spread his lies. This was a
clear violation of Twitter's terms of service, and it did
not take long for reporters, namely NBC's Ben Collins, to
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identify some of these fake accounts and publicize them. Wol
was banned from Twitter within hours of the USA Today
articles publication. In classic Jacob Wol fashion, he pretended this
clear and hilarious failure on his part was actually yet
another victorious move and his endless thirty nine dimension chess game.
Here's Wold being interviewed by fellow grifter Ali Alexander for
another video on Culta to cheer number one. This could
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not have happened at a better time. Jacob Wowl is
number one trending on Twitter right now, and I'm promoting
a press conference, and now people are going to go
to that press conference, and it's going to be even
bigger and here than we even thought. I mean, it's
going to be brimming over with people. It's going to
be brimming over with people. So I'm glad it happened now.
I think that's perfect. The other thing that I'm glad
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about is is. Luckily, because I was expecting this. I
have set up myself to make a living in a
way that doesn't require Twitter, because that would be very fragile,
and I want to be as as notesome to live.
I would call it anti fragile. So this isn't going
to affect my living as it has with some other folks.
But the pattern is clear. Laura Lumer investigates il ilhan
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Omar band, Jacob Angles investigates and tweets about ilhan Omar band.
Jacoble finally gets the goods and puts on a press
conference band. But I can promise you one thing. Ilhan
Omar is going to be rocked by what we're going
to release on Thursday. The halls of Congress are going
to be rocked by what we're going to release on Thursday.
And uh it will be number one trending on Twitter.
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So Twitter can say whatever they want. So that's what
will claimed in the aftermath of that. Uh. Now, a
little bit of a spoiler, ilhan omer was not rocked
by any of his allegations because there was no evidence
behind them. Press conference, she wasn't rocked. Yeah, the press
conference did not attract a huge audience. But something fun
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did happen. See when a USA Today article dropped, reporter
Ben Collins exposed one of wolves fake accounts has already
stayed a fake account for a guy named Drake Holmes,
who was supposed to be a Minneapolis born and raised
diversity coordinator because we wanted to make fun of diversity.
I guess uh. In this fake account, fake Drake misspelled
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his own last name and his Twitter account. Uh. Not
long after the revelation that Drake Holmes was, of course,
Jacob Wohl Tony Webster, another journalist realized that the death
threat shown in the Importing Ilhan documentary had been filed
by Drake Holmes, a k a. Jacob wol. Now, this
is a crime. You can't file fake death threats against
yourself and report them to the police. Or you can,
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but it's illegal. So Jacob Will by admitting in an
interview that he made fake threats and then creating incredibly
obvious fake Twitter accounts, and then using those incredibly obvious
fake Twitter accounts that he bragged about to threaten to
murder himself and then going to the police with it,
had committed an incredibly obvious and very well documented crime,
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which is just a hoot. Is he going to get
any repercussions for this crime? That's a great question. Is
he still making fucking YouTube vlogs? What's the That's what
we're gonna talk about right now. Actually, um, so it
does seem like he might actually eventually face some some
real repercussions. Young Turks journalist Ken Klippenstein filed a Foyer
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request for documents pertaining to Surefire Intelligence, which is the
fake intelligence firm that Wol created to slander Robert Mueller.
The FBI refused Ken's records request, and he gave the
excuse that they couldn't give him the records because those
records pertained to an ongoing criminal probe, which means there's
an FBI criminal probe going on into Jacob wol fake
intelligence company and his attempt to slander Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Um. Meanwhile,
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Jared Holt, another journalist who covers the far right quote,
tweeted Clippinstein's threat about his foy A denial letter and noted,
funny I got a similar response from the State of Minnesota,
which means there's an ongoing investigation to Jacob Bowl's activities.
In the state of Minnesota for the fake death threats.
So it does seem like the wheels of justice might
slowly be turning towards Jacob Wol getting in trouble for
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committing constant incompetent crimes. Ever so slowly not fast enough. Now.
February was a crowded month for Jacob Wol. It ended
with yet another press conference from him and Jack Berkman,
this one at Sea Pack, the annual gathering of conservatives
and people who want to ogle conservatives in a safe,
well lit building. By this point, wolves griffs had become
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obvious enough that Seapack barred him from doing any event
at the conference itself, so instead he and Berkman held
their press conference in the busy lobby. Uh. Nothing really
happened at the conference. Laura Luomer screamed that she and
Wol deserve to get their Twitter accounts back. Jacob Wohl
tried to claim that the Muller investigation was done with
and everyone should instead focus on their investigation of ilhan Omar.
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The journalist and attendants, however, just wanted to know if
he was being investigated by the FBI for my money.
The highlight of the event was a man in an
ill fitting suit Wall had paid to pretend to be
a bodyguard, wearing a single Apple AirPod in his ear
to pretend that he had like one of those one
of those secret service things going on. Wow loves hiring
(26:30):
fake bodyguardsthetic. M hm. Also, it's obviously an AirPod, Like
it's not like we all know what they look like. Yeah,
it's Jacob Ble is a perfect example of a very
dumb young man who thinks that because he's incapable of,
you know, thinking at a higher level than his own
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brain works at, assumes everyone is as dumb as he
is um, which is very dumb. So Jacob Wohl would
be fooled by some and wearing an Apple AirPod in
one ear, pretending to be a secret service type agent,
but sadly no one else's well now. For about a
month or so after this press conference, it seemed like
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Jacob Bowl might be fading into obscurity. But then in
late April, The Daily Beast published an article revealing his
latest scam, an attempt to slander Democratic candidate and mayor
Pete butter Jig with sexually assaulting a young man who
was too drunk to consent, So another false Raith allegation,
which is what cool people do. I think I think
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he is unable to be forgotten about ultimately, Yeah, because
like he didn't want to go into obscurity. That's not
his deal. He's like even though that video was like
I don't want to be on Twitter anyway because I
want to I want to be anti fragile also like
a dumb word. But uh, he misses Twitter so much.
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Can you imagine like Donald Trump being banned from Twitter. No,
these people thrive on their dumb opinions, just like thwart
into the air. And he if he doesn't have Twitter,
he has to be in the media somehow. And that's
that's just whole his all fucking stick. That's that's his lifeblood,
you know. That is like it's all about attention for him.
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It's the only thing that he cares about. And to
the to the point that like that's part of why
none of his grifts really work in the long run,
because he's a he's incapable of thinking things out. Like
Roger Stone would probably be down to file fake sexual
assault allegations against someone, but he wouldn't do it. Twice
in a year after the first one explodes, he would
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be more canny about it. He'd spend more time setting
it up. Uh, he'd make it harder to catch, and
he wouldn't immediately commit the same grift like five months
later after the first month failed, because he's just a
little bit smarter than that. Like he's not smart, but
he's a little But also like, uh, maybe he wouldn't
even have been the face of it, you know what
I mean, Like he doesn't need Like the fact that
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Jacob wool needs to be the face and the person
that's coming out with this news is just indicative of
a personality that needs attention more than anything else. He's
not looking for the truth or anything else. He wants
to be this face of of revelation in bullshit. You know. Yeah,
he wants to be facing down a bunch of press
guys dressed in a suit. Uh. He wants to feel
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like an FBI agent, but without like the air power
or investigating anything. Yeah, Like he there's there's all these
pieces of other careers like politics and journalism and law
enforcement that he wants to end, like it the finance
industry that he wants to have, But the only pieces
he wants of them are like the public facing pieces
that he's seen in movies. He doesn't in none of
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the jobs that he wants to do. Does he actually
want to do the work? Keep in mind he I mean,
has he gone to any type of schooling or anything
to accomplish any type of actual I don't know. Like
he's just a rich kid, like flaunting around his much money.
He's just a rich kid who's dad is like a
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lawyer who advised Donald Trump on stuff, who wants to
do shady, gross politics stuff and doesn't actually want to
work hard. Yeah, that's Jacob Wol. Yeah. What a man,
What a man, What a man, What a mighty good man. Now,
the fake allegations against Pete Butter jig blew up in
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Wolve's face because the young man they picked to make
the allegations, a Republican himself, went to The Daily Beast
with recorded audio of Wolan Berkman trying to convince him
to lie about a sexual assault. Oh my god. Yeah,
the guy recognized wol immediately and was like, well, I
gotta take this meeting, but I'm just gonna record everything
they say and go to this guy like this. Yeah,
(30:49):
I'm I'm alright, with this guy quote. The source who
spoke to The Daily Beast said Berkman and wol made
clear that their goal was to kneecap butter Jig's momentum
in the presidential race. The man asked to remain anonymous
out of a concerned that the resulting publicity might imperil
his employment, and because, he said Wollen Berkman have a
reputation for vindictiveness. So several days before the Beast article
could run, a young man named Hunter Kelly published a
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post on Medium alleging that Pete Butterjig had assaulted him
in February of this year. The post was tweeted by
a Trump advisor and by Jacob's dad, David Wool, and
wound up on Big League Politics, the right wing political
conspiracy website. Journalists and and instantly recognized some things that
looked pretty spishy about these allegations, like the fact that
Kelly's Medium and Twitter accounts were both less than a
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month old, and that the main person he'd interacted with
on social media was Jacob Wool. Can you be more obvious?
Are you? S's so bad at this. He's so bad
at this, Like it almost upsets me. It almost upsets
me that someone with that much money and and connections
can't get like one thing right, like not not not
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a single aspect of any of this right. Like there's
terrible guys like Paul Manaford who you look at in
your like their monsters, but at least like most of
the things they've done worked like this, they're not an
idiot like he's a more. Yeah, he doesn't deserve any
part of his wealth or any part of his entitlement
(32:18):
or privilege like he is. He's just Yeah. You can
say about Roger Stone and Paul Manafort. They don't deserve
their wealth or or their success that they've had, but
they at least deserve to be famous because the things
that they've done have had an impact on history. Jacob
wool is like that person without ever having an impact.
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He's done nothing but like give journalists something to giggle over.
He's just flailing. He's flailing for attention. Yeah, it's it's
pretty sad. Now, Um, that doesn't mean I'm gonna stop
laughing about him, because I need something to laugh about.
And uh and these this really wipes the payday loan
staying out of my mouth. Oh we're gonna We're gonna
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keep going on here. The Daily Beast managed to track
down the real Hunter Kelly, who said that the accounts
created in his name were not under his control. He
eventually posted a message to his Facebook timeline titled I
was not sexually assaulted quote to keep it brief for now.
I was approached by a political figure to come to
d C to discuss political situations from the standpoint of
a gay Republican. When I arrived, they discussed Peter butter
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Jig and started talking about how they would be working
a campaign against him. I went to bed and woke
up to a fake Twitter at real Hunter Kelly and
an article that I in no way endorsed. He wrote,
I have since left and him working on a formal
statement to give to everyone, including the butter Jig family.
Kelly claims that Wohl and Berkman basically flew him the
d C and then printed up a fake statement they
wanted him to sign that then posted the statement without
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his permission, according to the Daily Beast quote. He went
on to say that they also tried to get him
to sign off on a script for a press conference
over his protests, but he called his family to come
get him and then fled. This is the second person
that's felt like they had to flee the presence of
Jacob Bowl and Jack Berkman. Now what's interesting to me
is that both of the men Woln Berkman tried to
con into reporting butt a jig were Republicans, Trump supporters,
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Even it seems that Wole and his partner just sort
of expected that their fellow conservatives would be down for
any kind of grift that hurt Democrats, even if it
meant implicating themselves in an obvious crimes concocted by idiots
with the history of having their crimes instantly exposed. The
audio recorded by the Daily Beast source gives some insight
into precisely how Wol tried to sell these young men
on engaging in a criminal conspiracy to falsify rape allegations. Quote.
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When the source expressed reluctance, they assured him the scheme
would make him wealthy, famous, and a star in Republican politics.
Wol cited the national recognition given to Christine Blassie Ford
after she accused Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh of sexual
assault during his confirmation hearings last year. The source did
not agree to participate in the scheme, but Roll followed
up with a phone call a day or two later
to see if he could recommend friends or associates who
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might be a good fit to play the victim and
the hoax. I do I do want to I do
want to bring up the fact that in our previous
episod but Payday Loans, when they were trying to con
the Economist to write that article about them, in their
response email, they promised fame and everyone's going to be
knocking on your door or like whatever, like that's all
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that's their ploys, Like you're gonna get so famous from this. Also,
Christine Waldi Ford was fucking like crucified by the media
that I can't imagine. I can't imagine a worse kind
of fame to get the thing that she had. It's
saying like it seems like it was an unspeakable night,
mayor for her and her family, which shows the kind
of person Wool is because I really don't think I
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think he was telling the truth and that he believed
that she got famous and it was a good thing,
because I think he's incapable of seeing any kind of attention.
It's bad, and she did get a lot of attention,
and so that's a bad press is still pressed in
his Yeah. Yeah, So he sees this woman being like
attacked by the entire right wing media ecosystem and like
(35:58):
like but the president of the United everyone knew her name. Yeah,
and so he's jealous of yeah, Which there's a core
of something deeply sad and pressing there. Very pathetic. It's
very pathetic given given the world we live in. I'm
not for a goddamn second going to feel bad about
(36:18):
Jacob Woarl just going to laugh about him too. Again,
clear the worst bastards out of my head. While we uh, yeah,
we talked about this. So the Daily Beast looked into
the phone number that Wol called from. It traced back
to a company, Potomac Intelligence Group, which claimed to be
a political and corporate intel firm just like Surefire Intelligence.
Minutes after The Daily Beast reached out to Wool about
(36:39):
Potomac Intelligence, the website was taken down. So, if you
know anything about Jacob wol you know a little thing
like repeatedly being revealed as a fraud wasn't going to
stop one of his grifts. Wool and Jack Berkman next
announced a press conference. It would be hosted in the
driveway of Berkman's house in northern Virginia. Two days before
the event, Yeah, they've gone from like a holiday in
(37:00):
for the molar one to like the lobby of c
pack a driveway a driveway. Uh, the fucking stupid Fox, stupid,
stupid Fox um. Two days before the event, Berkman tweeted
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a link to an event bright page called protest against
the Homophobic Bigots. This was apparently an event organizing page
for a protest against the press conference being hosted by
Jacob Wool and Jack Berkman. Berkman claimed that the page
was evidence of a real plan for hundreds of leftist
protesters to disrupt their super important press conference. We will
not surrender to the mob. We've called an extra security
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to guard our safety and that of our partners in
the media. Now will Summer, the journalist who's probably done
the most to cover wolves. Various gripts noted that quote.
Before Berkman's tweet, no other Twitter account had promoted the
event page. Another reporter, Jason Duckman, found at the event
bright page had been started by someone using the email
address Woll think tank at gmail dot com. It gets
(38:08):
and just try to cover your tracks. Just try to
make a fake email account. You know how many fake
emails like accounts I've made, like a ten percent off discount,
like some fucking new site or something like. It's very
easy to make an email account, very easy. It's incredib
It takes seconds, Jacob, like, it takes seconds. Come on, man, God,
(38:33):
just upsetting. Yeah, it's it's frustrating. When what was confronted
about this, he claimed, I've never used event bright in
my life. It was created by a troll. We're gonna
get to the rest of the story, but first, you
know what's not an incredibly lazy and instantly spotted grift, Sharine,
the products that sponsored the ship. Sponsors sponsors, not grifts
(38:57):
at all. In fact, the products that actually deliver a service. Yeah,
we need him as a fellow podcaster. I get it.
Just support your support your hosts. I love a product,
I love a service. Uh, here they are and we're back.
(39:20):
So on the literal day I wrote this script, Jacob
Wohl and Jack Berkman held their very important press conference
in Berkman's very impressive driveway. The proceedings were interrupted several
times by a garbage truck emptying Brookman's trash, and by
several low flying airplaness why most professionals do not host
press conferences and driveways. Wolan Berkman refuted the claims that
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they had basically kidnapped Hunter by pointing out that they
bought him a Starbucks frappuccino and an expensive haircut. What
did yeah. They then segued seamlessly to stating that they
were investigating Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren and Biden's case,
they think he might have parking since they invited all
candidates to submit themselves to investigations in order to gain
(40:05):
the sure to be coveted wol Berkman's Seal of approval.
That's that's literally what they referred to it as is
the wool Burkman Seal of Approval, which I can't imagine
anything more prestigious, Like I can't that sounds that sounds
really legit. It does. Like all their press conferences, this
one fizzled out with nothing of value having been presented.
The closest thing to a scoop was the ominous claim
(40:27):
that Berkman's home would be the center of the election.
His home, Yeah, he claimed his home was going to
be the center of the election. Should have ever heard
of of of the election? Your house? Yeah? My driveway,
my lawn. God fuck off. If like me, you're one
(40:49):
you're wanting to know exactly what Jacob Wowle and his
bumbling sidekick Haff planned for two thousand twenty, I have
some good news for you. A few days before Wol's
latest grift collapsed in on itself, a document was leaked
to The Daily Beat, a brochure for something called the
Arlington's Center for Political Intelligence BUILD is a conservative political
intelligence and advocacy organization. The a c p I claimed
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to be able to impact political outcomes for the benefit
of conservative candidates. As you've surely guessed by now, the
Arlington's Center for Political Intelligence is really just Jacob Woll.
In this document, which was essentially an attempt at raising
funds for his new company, Will claimed that a c
p I would, among other things, operate a troll farm
all the Internet research agency infiltrate their operatives into democratic
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campaigns and execute high impact publicity stunts to insert stories
into the mainstream media that all sounds like things wall
Is capable of doing, and he just doesn't know how
to want to stop or how to stop. He's addicted. No, no,
he's addicted to grifting and also terrible at it. Now.
(41:55):
Will claimed that the a cp I needed one million
dollars in funding from investors in order to care wry
out its important mission. The document went out to lay
out a number of plans, obviously cribbed from Russian actions
laid out in the Molar report. Wol wants to use
bot networks to build large accounts that poses leftists and
then tell people at the last minute not to vote
in That's actually a plan he laid out was to
(42:15):
like pay bots to build fake leftist Twitter in Instagram
accounts and then tell everybody unlike November Onet, not to vote.
Brilliant scheme, yeah, yeah uh. He notes that the strategy
was utilized by the Internet Research Agency with moderate effectiveness
in two thousand sixteen, but with a superior handle on
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American cultural nuances, a c p I will be able
to have a devastating impact on democratic candidates. So basically, like,
because we know that social media, we're going to use
it means yeah, and it's it's what's really funny to
me is that he repeatedly references the Internet Research Agency,
but then like kind of slams them for not understanding
American culture and stuff and be like, we'll be better
(43:00):
than them because we know America better. When it's like, dude,
the Internet Research Agency succeeded in all of its goals,
and you have fucked up every single grift you've ever
tried to carry out. Don't don't pretend you're better than
the Russians at this stuff like they got away with it,
just the sheer level of ego on display. I want
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to know what a daily, what a day is like
in Jacob Woul's life, Like I want to know, like
if he puts on a shirt being like today's a day,
Today's day. Everyone respects me, you know, the days of
the day people see me as a serious political operation.
That day will never come, jail. I'm so sorry. I'm
(43:42):
not sorry because you your garbage now. In the document,
Will claims to have invented a totally new method of
spreading fake news, which he calls feeding it up the chain.
He lays it out in like a really long and
complex flow chart, but the whole thing boils down to
lying to people about having damning stories and then hoping
that you get mainstream media coverage from stoking rumors. Yeah exactly,
(44:07):
Yeah exactly. Uh. It's kind of sad, but revealing in
the document that wol wol is incapable of seeing anything
but virality is a measure of success. I'm gonna quote
from a chunk of the document. With the advent of
and popularization of live streaming via Periscope, Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube,
it has become possible to synthesize manipulated events that garner
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enormous amounts of attention. A textbook example of this tradecraft
took place on November twenty nine, two eighteen, when right
wing activist Laura Lomer handcuffed yourself to Twitter HQ in
New York City after being banned from the site. The
stunt became the number one trending topic on Twitter and
resulted in hundreds of articles being published and countless minutes
of cable news coverage being broadcast around the world. In
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a calculated move, Loomer selected New York City is the
place to execute the stunt, where journalists are plentiful and
able to quickly arrive at the scene to broadcast the
event on Periscope and Facebook. Within fifteen minutes of handcuffing
herself to the doors of the Twitter HQ, Lmur was
surrounded by dozens of mainstream and alternative media journalists who
are broadcasting the event, namely on periscope two hundreds of
thousands of people. Within the first hour of the stunt,
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Laura Lumer was the number rue twinding topic on Twitter worldwide.
So he sees lumurs actions at Twitter HQ is a
huge success because it was popular, like the whole thing
that he like, it turns him on to be like,
whoa she went to a place that had so much
media coverage or whatever. Also, I can't get over the
(45:31):
fact that she described it as an activist like that
that's activism now, Like oh god, But like the attention
wasn't people getting angry that she had been banned and
demanding that Twitter reinstate her because that didn't happen. It
was just everyone laughing at her for and then moving
on with their lives because it was funny. Like that's
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the thing, was like Jacob and that, like everything that
he says in this document is something that like actual
bad actors have done successfully to influence politics in America
and elsewhere. The ideas aren't unworkable, they're just dumb because
Jacob is dumb and can't pull any of them off
and doesn't understand the difference between Laura Luomer handcuffing herself
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to Twitter HQ and being laughed at and the Russians
mounting a campaign to artificially inflate the popularity of third
party Democratic candidates like what's your fucking name? The Jill
ste Yeah, in order to like draw votes away from
the Democrats. Like one of those things is debatably effective.
(46:37):
The other one is just a joke. But he doesn't see.
All he sees is that they both got attention. Jill
Stein got attention, Laura Luomer got attention. So that's the
same thing. His mind is one dimensional. His mind is
truly cannot compute complex thought. Yeah, so is gonna be fun? Um?
(46:58):
I mean no, it's not. He's going to be the
worst year of all of our lives. Is that we're saying.
I'm just excited for what they're going to grift next. Right, Uh,
Laura Luma is gonna to strap herself to something. I'm
going to guess that Jacob Wohl where it will accuse
every single Democratic candidate of sexual assault by the time
the year is over, um, which should be a lot
(47:21):
of fun. I can't wait to see who ships on
whose trust? You know. Oh, I'm looking forward to who
ships on whose chest. I hope we get to see
Jacob Wol arrested um by the FBI for crimes. But
I'm not holding my breath. Um. I think what he's
done is is so laughable. It's definitely crimes. But I
(47:42):
feel like the American justice system does not take him
seriously because it's so laughable and because I mean, we're
laughing at him too. But the reality is there's still
crimes and he has not been faced with any type
of justice or or any type of of of Like
the reason why he keeps doing it is because no
one is stopping him. Yeah, He's faced no consequences other
(48:04):
than like, like, I mean, his life other than being
a grifter is over. Like he at this point like
there's nothing else he can ever do with himself. Jacob
Wohl can't go back to college and get another job
doing something legitimate, because we have hours of him being
Jacob Wol. It's the same thing with Laura Lumer, where
like Laura Lumer is famous right now for screaming on
(48:26):
info Wars that her life is ruined because she's been
kicked off of all social media and stuff for all
these insane and racist stunts she gets up to, and
it's like, yeah, your life is ruined because you ruined
it by yeah, by doing fucked up things to people
Like It's it's like a rapist being like, well, my
life is ruined now because I'm a convicted rapist, and
(48:48):
it's like, yeah, your life is ruined, but like because
you're because you're raped, people like don't you shouldn't have
done that, Like people, and you got caught, which is
what they're they're probably because they got caught. You accused
a random woman of being a terrorist repeatedly, and we're
partly responsible for huge numbers of death threats being filed
(49:10):
against her. Uh, that's libel. You can't you're not allowed
to do that. You in trouble, Like this is actually
an instance. Yeah, that's what's aggravated is that they don't
they don't learn their lesson, and you you have to
be pretty bad, is a right wing grifter these days
(49:30):
to get banned from Twitter, Like that should tell you
how bad Laura Loomer and Jacob Wool are. Like they
they got banned from like Paul Watson still on fucking Twitter.
The fact that they have not like that that they
managed to get like forced Twitter to take action means
that they were pretty egregiously violating the services rules. And
in Wohl's case, he was literally bragging about breaking Twitter's
(49:53):
rules to a journalist for a major outlet and it's like, yeah, dude,
of course you get banned like that's not I mean,
or be permanent forever because it's part of me. Is
kind of upset because our last episode that we did,
we got like pretty good attention from I feel like
Jacob Wol retweeted us and like common they are the ones.
(50:16):
Nothing they've done recently has been interesting, So I'm not
going to talk about them more. But we did we
did get to slam the crass and Stein's directly, which
was satisfying. It was satisfying because they because they were
just all over it. Yeah, but I mean, Jacob Wool
and Laura Loomer, it's truly just an example of white
(50:36):
privilege as as its worst. Because nothing happens. Like if
they were any other ethnicity or or nationality or anything,
they would have way more attention legally, and that's the truth,
Like I oh, absolutely, without a doubt. And because they're
just rich white folk, they get untouched. And that's what's infuriating,
is because white for the black of a better word,
(51:02):
like white collar crime or whatever you want to call it.
It's not like, oh, just let's just say white skinned crime. Yeah,
Like I don't even know if this counts as white collar,
Like I'm not sure what kind of collar Repeatedly faking
rape allegations is, Like I don't I really don't know.
Like they've invented a new kind of white crime. And
it's yeah, I will say. Speaking of the Krassenstein's and
(51:27):
Jacob Wool, one of my favorite moments on Twitter last
year was um Kim Clippenstein, the FOYA journalist with young
Turks who like revealed that the FBI had an open
investigation into Wool, got into a fight with him on Twitter,
and uh, Jacob Wol mistook him from one of the
Krassenstein brothers because their last names are vaguely similar. Oh
my god, and so Wol was like why don't you
(51:50):
just like get up to another grift with your brother?
And Clippenstein responded, you know, the only difference between you
and the Krassenstein's is their their grifts don't immediately explode
in their faces. And then Brian Krassenstein responded by just
saying boom, Yeah it was really good. Wow, it was
(52:13):
one of those moments that makes Twitter worth it. So
he like low key admitted to grift ing better. I
think he was just too dumb to really know what
was going on in the conversation and just saw that
somebody had attacked someone attacking him. Like, I really don't
think he understood what was being said. But Ken Clippenstein
(52:34):
is a great follow on Twitter, so check him out.
Yeah yeah not he not any relations is not a
completely different last name. Yeah wow. Anyway, that's the episode, Serene, Well,
thank you better after the payday loan stuff. No, I'm
(52:55):
still mad, but I'm always mad. My default is just anger. Um,
thanks for having me on to revisit our our sheep
in Wols clothing. He's just a dumb little sheep. He's
just he's just a dumb little sheepy sheep, sheepy sheep.
It's almost insulting to sheep honestly, But yeah, I wouldn't
(53:15):
want to. I wouldn't want to tar sheep with that brush.
Sheep provides so many useful things. Wool and they're kind
of cute. Sheep's milk, yeah, sheep's oil. Yeah, and they're concrete.
I think, genuinely, I think they are more intelligent than wol.
I have never seen a sheep fuck itself over in
(53:39):
the same fashion that Jacob Bowl has. Usually they just
eat plants and mind their own fucking business, huddle together
for warmth in the winter, which is a more successful
strategy than Jacob Bowl has ever executed. Wow, what a
ship show? Well, what a show? Get some plugables to Yeah,
(54:01):
follow the podcast that I co host, Ethnically Ambiguous and
listen to us. We talked about elhan Omar a lot,
especially with the recent stuff that's been going on um
and why everything against her is pretty much a facade
but um. You can follow us Ethnically Ambiguous UM or
Ethnically am Big m B I G on Instagram ethnically
(54:22):
and am A m B on Twitter. You can follow
me at shiro hero on Instagram and shiro Hero six
six six on Twitter. It's s h E R O
h E r o uh. Yeah, and thanks for having me, Robert.
This was splendid. Even though you're not in the same
room as me. I feel like we've bonded today. We
have bonded today, and there's only one thing that conceal
(54:45):
the kind of bond that is built over listening to
Jacob wool stories, and that is celebratory. Sophie have grabbed. Yeah,
Sophie have grabbed the role of bagels. See, when you've
been working together as long as Sophie and I have,
you just know what the other person wants. I'm gonna
yell in anger, and you throw the bagels. When I
(55:07):
give my angry bagel throwing, I'm going to try to
get the sound on on my mic. Okay, go, okay,
Yeah that's a pretty perfect sound. Yeah perfect. Oh my god,
I'm so satisfied with how that went. Yeah, I'm very
I'm happy. I mean not really, but you know, I'm
the bagel have made me happy. Yeah, that's that's the
(55:30):
beauty of throwing bagels. They really they really cleanse the
soul's palate. They cleanse the soul's palate. Good baked, good
we'll do that. You know, that's why they called baked
goods because they're good. That is why they're called baked goods.
They're not baked. No, No, baked bads are well actually
baked bads. Or when I try to make baked goods
(55:50):
because they usually get high and forget that, the evans on.
But it is bad. That is bad. That is bad.
Not a great strategy. Speaking of great strategies, I'm not
making an a plug. I don't know why I use
my add plug. Boys. You can find me on Twitter
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(56:11):
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That's it. That's the episode. Until next time. I Love
about You.
M What's griftin mcconman, I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind
the Bastards, the show where every week we talked about
the very worst people in all of history. And I
also try out a new introduction. This one was not
as inspired as the other ones, for which I apologize.
I I just couldn't come up with another. What's boiling
(00:21):
my pigannus is today? Which is ironic because I boiled
some pigannuses this morning to eat for breakfast. Sharne, how
are you doing today? That sounds so literally, I'm doing
so good, so good. It is delicious. You know, they're
basically calamari. They're so they're like kinda tangy and tender tender.
(00:41):
Oh you don't eat meat, well, boiled pig gannuses are
barely meat. I mean they're vegan. I'd say we've already
just the last episode we were on, we mentioned but
holes pretty late into the episode. But we're just right
out the gate just talking about both holes again. Okay,
we're right out the gate, which and you know, when
you think about it, Scherine, right out the gate could
even be a butthole reference. Yeah, when you poop what happens.
(01:04):
It goes right out the gate. It goes right out
the gate into what's it called the ivory, ivory throne,
the ivory throne or the top the hood of a
cop car wherever you prefer to go to the restroom.
I don't judge, or at least poop on their cars.
That seems a little bit less aggressive than fucking them, um,
because you know, consent and stuff. Um. Anyway, my guest
(01:28):
this week is Sharne Lonnie Units, co host of the
ethnically ambiguous podcast Cage Fighter, and uh, facts a fact.
You're a fact? Facts. I said fact like like, yes,
I'm the co host and yes, it's facts are both facts. Yes, Uh,
listeners will be interested to know that Sharine only does
(01:50):
recording sessions with tape around her knuckles covered in broken
glass in case she needs to get into a cage fight. Yeah,
that's actually that was coffential information that I only shared with,
uh my colleagues. So I'm glad you've shared that with
the whole world. Now I guess my secrets out. I'm
a badass. You do a lot of damage to the
microphone stands. So we we've we've been having some issues
(02:12):
as a result of all the glass on your wrists.
You know what, I'm sorry. I already paid back the office.
I gave them the money to to to repair the microbone.
And it's not my problem anymore, you know, it's there's
speaking of people who are everybody's problem. You know who
we're going to talk about today, Serene, I do, Oh
I do. We're revisiting an ex of mine that we
(02:33):
talked about before we had an intimate but brief relationship
a couple of months ago, where we both discussed him.
Uh and now he's back in my life. What can
I say? Um? Now, now he's back in all of
our lives because he refuses to leave. Today we are
talking about our dear friend and special boy, Jacob Wool.
Special boy, what a special special boy. Punch of my face.
(02:58):
When we when we last talked about Jacob, I ended
that episode with the line. As of this episode, Jacob
Wowl is still under investigation by the FBI. He is
also still on Twitter now today, in the Year of
Our Lord twenty nineteen, only one of those things is
currently true. Jacob Bowl is no longer allowed on any
social media And we'll get to y in a little bit.
(03:19):
But first let's talk about his trip to Minneapolis, Minnesota.
So on February nineteen, conservative grifter slash filmmaker Ali Alexander
created the Investigate ilhan Omar fund on his right wing
news and politics website Culture and You're done. Well, does
(03:41):
it change your mind to know that his right wing
news and politics website Culture has spells culture with three
t s. The fuck why? I I don't know, you know,
I assume there's an explanation the spelling it with three k's, Like,
what's the well, I mean, I have a point, You
(04:06):
have a point, Alie Alexander is is not a white guy,
so he can't be racist. So, I mean, that's just
that argument there has just wiped out immediately. He probably
we should have no issues with the documentary he makes
about ilhan Omar. That's true, you know, you know, he
probably doesn't see color. He probably uh has a lot
of good points of view that I need to hear
(04:27):
about because his experience is just so much more valid
than my own, so I must listen. Yeah. Yeah, And
his investigation of elhan Omar had had no racial tinge
to it whatsoever. He just wanted to investigate to see
whether or not she married her brother in order to
immigrate to the United States. Now, there was no evidence
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whatsoever and has never been any evidence whatsoever to substantiate
this claim. However, Alie Alexander solicited twenty five tho dollars
in donations to send a team to Minneapolis to investigate
these claims. That team wound up consisting of Jacob Wool
and Laura lumer Dream Team. Yeah, if you're unaware of
(05:14):
Miss Laura lumer Um. She is a twenty five year
old fake journalist most famous for badly handcuffing herself to
Twitter's headquarters after being banned from that service for repeatedly
harassing representative Omar. She was so bad at handcuffing herself
when she when she handcuffed herself to the door, her
goal was to stop people from entering Twitter, but she
didn't know how to operate handcuffs or doors very well,
(05:35):
so she only handcuffed herself to one side of the door,
so Twitter employees were able to continue to enter and leave.
When the police showed up, they asked Twitter like, do
you want her removed? And they're just like no, Like
she can stay handcuffed to the one door, like, this
is not an SNL skit or this is our reality
(05:56):
that this is Yeah, this dumb bitch. Yeah. So this
is the team. This is the dream team that Ali
Alexander assembled to investigate Ilhanna Omar's background. Um As, Luma
and Wold took to the streets of Minneapolis, they began
to fill the Internet with hilarious periscope videos of their adventures.
Here's one video clip of Jacob telling the world about
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the Sharia police, who he believes absolutely exist in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Again,
I can't emphasize enough. He's claiming, this is happening in
fucking Minnesota. Now, if you're not familiar with Minnesota, you
don't know how this works. But the Islamicist forces here
have taken over sections of the respective police departments police
in Minnesota. Now there are men who walk around an
(06:38):
orange vast that say Sharia police in some of these
Somali communities, and they're enforcing Sharia lat And let me add,
you're gonna see all this in the video we're producing.
We've got two camera guys there over here and over here,
uh and and and much more production crew, you name it. Now,
here's another clip of Jacob Wohl and Lord Lumer talking
(07:01):
about the massive security team they totally need for all
of the dangerous Islamists that they say are absolutely following
them around the streets of Minneapolis. Yes, yes, you have to.
We've got a top notch security team here to get
us around, get us from point to point B there
right here and right here behind the camera you can't
see him. And we've been going from point to point
(07:23):
B in convoy, uh you know, armored cars, you name it,
and uh, you know, we needed to. We were afraid
that we were going to be tailed. We were afraid
that il Han, the jihadi Omar, would send somebody after
us and tail us as we got out here. Il
Han d hottest o bar are you shooting me? My
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mouth is on the floor. What the ship? Also, also
behind the camera, they're sitting in a bathroom. I can
see the reflection of the light in the mirror behind
the door behind them. There's nothing behind them but a
fucking bathroom mirror. There's no armored trucks or camera crew.
It's you're you're taking a fucking vlog for YouTube? What
the funk are you? Yeah? I wanted those back to
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back so you could hear them refer to their camera
crew as just off screen and their security crew as
Jeff stoff screen in the same video, because it's clear
that they don't have any any sort of team. Um yeah,
we all had fun, those of us who followed Jacob
Bowl on the Internet watching the ridiculous videos they put out.
There was no evidence, ever, provided that his security team existed.
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There was no evidence provided of Sharia police enforcing Sharia
law and fucking Minneapolis. Jacob Bowl did show up. Yeah,
Jacob Bowl did show up at one point in a
video wearing a fancy bulletproof vest, which was embarrassing to
me because it turns out that we both own the
same brand of bulletroof vest. Um. Yeah, we claimed we received.
(08:53):
If I were you, I would never share that fact
with anybody. But it's not great. I mean, it's it's
it's it's a nice vest. Uh, it's frustrating. Um yeah,
all that vest ever wanted to do with stop bullets now? Uh.
Woll claim to have received numerous death threats while investigating
Ilhan Omar, and when the twenty three minute documentary importing
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Ilhan eventually launched on Cult to Chairs website, it included
a segment where Will reported his death threats to the
Minneapolis police. That segment of the documentary is noteworthy because
it included a close end shot of one of the
so called threats, which read, I hope you fucking know
that if I bump into you in dinky Town or
anywhere else in my city, I'm going to shoot you
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and shift on your fucking bodies. Get the funk out
of my city, you piece of ship. Now. Now, sure
keep that threatened mind, because it's going to be relevant
again in just a minute or so. But speaking of
ship again, some people are into that. People are into that,
you know. I think Jacob Bowl might be into that
(09:59):
he wrote that death threat. Uh, but we'll get to
that in a second now. I've been unable to watch
a copy of the full documentary tragically, because it's been
pulled from the Internet due to several crimes that Jacob
Will committed on video. I did find one breakdown of
the film's claims against representative Omar by journalist Tony Webster.
Here's his tweet. Here's everything said about Ilhan Omar by
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interviewees and right wing video that aimed to end her career.
I don't know much about her. I met her twice,
She's held events, she's had a lot of coverage. She's okay,
she goes too fast, has to slow down. And marriage
allegation just a rumor. So that's what the documentary actually
included in terms of real revelations. For a little while,
Wol's trip to Minneapolis seemed like it might have been
(10:44):
a competent grift. Everything he said there was an obvious
lie and it wasn't going to do any damage to
ilhan Omar's career. But he and Laura Lumer's claims that
they were being hunted by his Lamists and needed money
to rent armored cars were successful in drumming up thousands
of dollars in donation from gullible baby boomers who think
Minneapolis is an eye his stronghold. And then, on February
two thousand nineteen, USA Today published an interview with Jacob
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Wool titled this twenty one year old tweeted lies about
Robert Mueller and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Now he's eyeing the election.
The article opened by focusing on Wohl's latest lie. Yeah
now he is, Yeah, he's at what age would you guess?
I don't know why I thought he was way older
than that, And maybe I think it's just looks disgusting
(11:32):
to the point where like a young man can't be
that that ravaged by by disease and and just filth.
You know, it's because being a gross criminal grifter ages
you like, look at Paul Redd. Paul Red's like fifty five,
and you wouldn't guess he's a day over thirty because
I don't think Paul Redd has ever been mean to anyone.
(11:53):
He's just pure. Yeah, Jacob wol is just a piece
of ship. And so he looks like he's in his thirties.
I really thought he was in his thirties. This baby
just during twenty fucking one. I mean, how we already
said Laura Luomer's age, but I'm gonna guess you didn't
pay or she is? How old would you guess she
is based on the video I just saw it also
(12:16):
in like late thirties. She's just no actually good for you? Also,
quick question, So they were united after she handcuffed herself
to the door. They were not friends before, but he
just like he was just like we should reunite forces
because we're both after the same target. Yeah, I think
(12:36):
he saw that. And she also she showed up on
the lawn of Nancy Pelosi's house and got a couple
of illegal immigrants that she paid to like pretend to
be protesters arrested. Also after seeing the videos of them
seeing next to each other, they are one. Uh they
recorded that and they're shared hotel room show. Sophie's making
(12:56):
the thing at me. Sophie says that she's not. There's
nothing his boss have dropped. While that is a valid
point pegging and probably bringing back to pegging, he actually
he's not smart enough to know how how fun that
could be. Um. But I mean, Sharine, I think what
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this means is that you and I need to film
our own documentary in the spirit of importing Ilhan called
pegging Wool. Oh my god, just just investigate the very credible.
We should definitely do pegging. But his name is Wool.
We should do shearing wool like wol oh damn, like
a fucking sheep, you know, and it will in you know,
(13:43):
we'll incorporate it in somehow. Um, it'll be like the
trojan horse. The trojan horse of our documentary is the pegging,
and it's going to be. I just love a good pun.
You know, I love a good wool. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
trying to like a wool in sheets. Doesn't work. Um, well,
(14:09):
we'll work on this one. Yeah. Sorry, We're gonna workshop
this next time. Well, we'll kick it around to our
writing team and we'll get back to the listeners. Your people,
my people will connect. We'll put together twenty five grand
and put up another documentary on culta to cheer. Yeah,
which I assume is how it's every time, every time
you say it, I get more and more confused. But
(14:29):
it's fine. Yeah. Now. That USA Today article opened by
focusing on Jacob Wohl's latest lie. I claim that Kamala
Harris was ineligible to be president because your parents weren't
legal residents for five years prior to her birth. That
was a lie, Like literally everything ever said by Jacob Wol. Ever,
here's how the USA Today quoted the boy. The believability
(14:50):
is stuck at about fifteen to eighteen percent by my measurement,
Woll said in an interview shortly afterward, declaring it not
a bad campaign. I love that you said the boy.
I like that, Yeah, I said the boy. Yeah, yeah,
quoted the Boy Oh, he's a boy he child, He's
a boy child. Yeah, he's a boy child. Now. In
(15:12):
that USA Today interview, Wool was happy, I would even say,
eager to explain the other grifts and cons he had
in the works, seemingly oblivious to the fact that these
kind of things don't fucking work if you spoil them.
Quote from USA Today, he says he planned to create
enormous left wing online properties, such as deceptive Facebook and
Twitter accounts, and use those to steer the left wing
votes in the primaries to what we feel are weaker
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candidates compared with Trump. It's a plot similar to what
Mueller has charged an indictment that the Russians crafted in
an effort to boost the two thousand sixteen campaigns of
Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein and hobble Hillary Clinton. Another
stated scheme seeking to collect damaging information on left leaning nonprofits,
including Media Matters for America, the Southern Poverty Law Center,
and Right Wing Watch by offering their insiders moral reconciliation
(15:55):
and if that doesn't work, things of worth, such as
money or perhaps these stated plan themselves are a ruse
to fool the mainstream media, which Wol calls a band
of lying goblins a band of that's a good band name. Yeah,
it is a good band name, Lying Goblins. Yeah. Now,
it's funny to me that Woe refers to the mainstream
media as a pack of lying goblins, because minutes later
(16:17):
in the same interview, he states that the accuracy of
his statements is not the important part. He claims truth
is an obsolete concept, and brags about the fact that
he was wearing a gun to their meeting at a
hipster coffee shop in Orange County because of all of
the death threats he says he receives him. He's a goblin.
He's a little goblin. He does look like a little goblin.
(16:38):
If you were going to cast another Lord of the
Rings movie, but you didn't have money for like, uh,
props and prosthetics and stuff, you could just have Jacob
Bowl play all the goblins. Yeah, And you know what
that's a good use for Jacob Bowl is having him
play goblins. Everyone has their calling, you know, some people. Yeah, yeah,
he should get out of politics and get into playing
(16:59):
a gob in Peter Jackson movies. Yeah, I mean Sniegel
made it, made it, made a big deal, you know,
like he's he's out there crushing it, you know. Oh yeah,
he's doing great. Yeah. No, Gollum owns that sweetass house
in the Hollywood Hills. I think he's dating Cheryald TEGs right,
if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, will come from anyway. Yeah,
(17:22):
go ahead. Sorry, I was going to say something, but
so plumb forgot. Do you remember from our last episode
how Jacob Bowl loves to make claims about things he's
overheard in hipster coffee shops. Oh my god, yes please.
One example of those tweets would be this October two.
That's an eighteen tweet. I was sitting in a hipster
coffee shop in downtown l A this morning and couldn't
help it. Over here the six college aged women seated
(17:44):
at a table who were clamoring with excitement and joy
over the confirmation of Judge Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. So,
just in case you haven't listened to the other episode,
that's the kind of claims Jacob Bowl would make about
the things he overheard in hipster coffee shops. USA Today
asked him about this quote. Well, looks Lane that he
picks on bohemian coffee shops because he sees them as
the temple mount of liberalism and calculated that if you
(18:06):
in any way impugne the sanctity of the hipster coffee shop,
it's going to be something that gets them really charged up.
And describing his methods well, casually explained that he makes
it up. Literally, here one thing and flip it a
hundred and eighty degrees. That's just lying. But I think
he's he's fine with that. Yeah, yeah, he's garbage. What
do you think the Starbucks order is skinny? Not that vanilla?
(18:29):
Two pumps of of of what do people? I don't
drink coffee, I don't know. In the in the USA
Today interview, he just had a cup of water, I think,
because he might be we Wow, he's those He's one
of those fuckers that goes to a coffee shop and
just drinks water and sits there for hours and hours,
I think. So I get that feeling from Jacob Bowl.
(18:49):
I also get that feeling that he has a delicate
constitution and coffee might hurt his tummy. Tommy tummy. What
a poor baby, What a poor little baby? You know
who's not poor baby? Cherine ad seals the sponsors and
or solicitors who solicitors negative connotation. I want to say, solicitors,
(19:12):
are they negative connotation to it? People putting no solicitors
on their doors sometimes, But I don't really know what
the word means. Hit. I mean I solicit lots of stuff,
but not at doors. Yeah, true, Okay, Sorry, I'm I'm
distracting you from your main goal here. Products, We're back.
(19:36):
We're we're talking about Jacob Wall in his USA Today interview. Now.
USA Today also spoke with Carolyne Cass for the article.
Miss Cass is the woman that Wol and his partner
Berkman claimed had been assaulted by Robert Mueller. Cass claimed
that she had actually tried to hire Wall when she
believed him to be a legitimate private investigator. She paid
him two thousand dollars to help her with unscrupulous characters
(19:56):
ripping her off, and then was apparently promptly ripped off
by Wool himself a fake, like a pre a good teenager.
I don't understand she didn't know it was a teenager.
He used a different name, he called himself Cohen, and
she only met him on the phone up until they
were already like in business. Yeah, I'm gonna guess she
(20:17):
was not the most uh careful person, which is probably
why she got ripped off by other people. Um, but
you know, if you're Jacob Bowl and you're putting out
Craigslist ads saying that this is the business you're in,
you might get some people that you can take advantage of.
Not that she deserves to be taken advantage of, but
I'm gonna guess that's kind of what happened. Um. Yeah,
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so Whole and Berkman his partner, immediately ripped Casts off.
They wrote up a list of fake allegations and Docu
signed it with her name. According to USA Today, she
claimed Cohen tried to get her to Cohen, which is
Wool tried to get her to speak at the news conference,
but she escaped and learned only as the scheme exploded
that Cohen was, in fact Wool. He completely lied to me.
Cast said, So, yeah, that's cool. Now make a notice
(21:00):
of the fact that she said she had to escape
from Woolan Berkman, because this will not be the first
time somebody makes a claim or the last time somebody
makes a claim like that in this episode. Yeah. The
most impactful reveal in that USA Today article was that
Jacob Wohl bragged at length about creating fake Twitter accounts
in order to help spread his lies. This was a
clear violation of Twitter's terms of service, and it did
not take long for reporters, namely NBC's Ben Collins, to
(21:24):
identify some of these fake accounts and publicize them. Wol
was banned from Twitter within hours of the USA Today
articles publication. In classic Jacob Wol fashion, he pretended this
clear and hilarious failure on his part was actually yet
another victorious move and his endless thirty nine dimension chess game.
Here's Wold being interviewed by fellow grifter Ali Alexander for
another video on Culta to cheer number one. This could
(21:47):
not have happened at a better time. Jacob Wowl is
number one trending on Twitter right now, and I'm promoting
a press conference, and now people are going to go
to that press conference, and it's going to be even
bigger and here than we even thought. I mean, it's
going to be brimming over with people. It's going to
be brimming over with people. So I'm glad it happened now.
I think that's perfect. The other thing that I'm glad
(22:09):
about is is. Luckily, because I was expecting this. I
have set up myself to make a living in a
way that doesn't require Twitter, because that would be very fragile,
and I want to be as as notesome to live.
I would call it anti fragile. So this isn't going
to affect my living as it has with some other folks.
But the pattern is clear. Laura Lumer investigates il ilhan
(22:30):
Omar band, Jacob Angles investigates and tweets about ilhan Omar band.
Jacoble finally gets the goods and puts on a press
conference band. But I can promise you one thing. Ilhan
Omar is going to be rocked by what we're going
to release on Thursday. The halls of Congress are going
to be rocked by what we're going to release on Thursday.
And uh it will be number one trending on Twitter.
(22:52):
So Twitter can say whatever they want. So that's what
will claimed in the aftermath of that. Uh. Now, a
little bit of a spoiler, ilhan omer was not rocked
by any of his allegations because there was no evidence
behind them. Press conference, she wasn't rocked. Yeah, the press
conference did not attract a huge audience. But something fun
(23:15):
did happen. See when a USA Today article dropped, reporter
Ben Collins exposed one of wolves fake accounts has already
stayed a fake account for a guy named Drake Holmes,
who was supposed to be a Minneapolis born and raised
diversity coordinator because we wanted to make fun of diversity.
I guess uh. In this fake account, fake Drake misspelled
(23:35):
his own last name and his Twitter account. Uh. Not
long after the revelation that Drake Holmes was, of course,
Jacob Wohl Tony Webster, another journalist realized that the death
threat shown in the Importing Ilhan documentary had been filed
by Drake Holmes, a k a. Jacob wol. Now, this
is a crime. You can't file fake death threats against
yourself and report them to the police. Or you can,
(23:58):
but it's illegal. So Jacob Will by admitting in an
interview that he made fake threats and then creating incredibly
obvious fake Twitter accounts, and then using those incredibly obvious
fake Twitter accounts that he bragged about to threaten to
murder himself and then going to the police with it,
had committed an incredibly obvious and very well documented crime,
(24:20):
which is just a hoot. Is he going to get
any repercussions for this crime? That's a great question. Is
he still making fucking YouTube vlogs? What's the That's what
we're gonna talk about right now. Actually, um, so it
does seem like he might actually eventually face some some
real repercussions. Young Turks journalist Ken Klippenstein filed a Foyer
(24:42):
request for documents pertaining to Surefire Intelligence, which is the
fake intelligence firm that Wol created to slander Robert Mueller.
The FBI refused Ken's records request, and he gave the
excuse that they couldn't give him the records because those
records pertained to an ongoing criminal probe, which means there's
an FBI criminal probe going on into Jacob wol fake
intelligence company and his attempt to slander Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Um. Meanwhile,
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Jared Holt, another journalist who covers the far right quote,
tweeted Clippinstein's threat about his foy A denial letter and noted,
funny I got a similar response from the State of Minnesota,
which means there's an ongoing investigation to Jacob Bowl's activities.
In the state of Minnesota for the fake death threats.
So it does seem like the wheels of justice might
slowly be turning towards Jacob Wol getting in trouble for
(25:28):
committing constant incompetent crimes. Ever so slowly not fast enough. Now.
February was a crowded month for Jacob Wol. It ended
with yet another press conference from him and Jack Berkman,
this one at Sea Pack, the annual gathering of conservatives
and people who want to ogle conservatives in a safe,
well lit building. By this point, wolves griffs had become
(25:49):
obvious enough that Seapack barred him from doing any event
at the conference itself, so instead he and Berkman held
their press conference in the busy lobby. Uh. Nothing really
happened at the conference. Laura Luomer screamed that she and
Wol deserve to get their Twitter accounts back. Jacob Wohl
tried to claim that the Muller investigation was done with
and everyone should instead focus on their investigation of ilhan Omar.
(26:09):
The journalist and attendants, however, just wanted to know if
he was being investigated by the FBI for my money.
The highlight of the event was a man in an
ill fitting suit Wall had paid to pretend to be
a bodyguard, wearing a single Apple AirPod in his ear
to pretend that he had like one of those one
of those secret service things going on. Wow loves hiring
(26:30):
fake bodyguardsthetic. M hm. Also, it's obviously an AirPod, Like
it's not like we all know what they look like. Yeah,
it's Jacob Ble is a perfect example of a very
dumb young man who thinks that because he's incapable of,
you know, thinking at a higher level than his own
(26:51):
brain works at, assumes everyone is as dumb as he
is um, which is very dumb. So Jacob Wohl would
be fooled by some and wearing an Apple AirPod in
one ear, pretending to be a secret service type agent,
but sadly no one else's well now. For about a
month or so after this press conference, it seemed like
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Jacob Bowl might be fading into obscurity. But then in
late April, The Daily Beast published an article revealing his
latest scam, an attempt to slander Democratic candidate and mayor
Pete butter Jig with sexually assaulting a young man who
was too drunk to consent, So another false Raith allegation,
which is what cool people do. I think I think
(27:34):
he is unable to be forgotten about ultimately, Yeah, because
like he didn't want to go into obscurity. That's not
his deal. He's like even though that video was like
I don't want to be on Twitter anyway because I
want to I want to be anti fragile also like
a dumb word. But uh, he misses Twitter so much.
(27:56):
Can you imagine like Donald Trump being banned from Twitter. No,
these people thrive on their dumb opinions, just like thwart
into the air. And he if he doesn't have Twitter,
he has to be in the media somehow. And that's
that's just whole his all fucking stick. That's that's his lifeblood,
you know. That is like it's all about attention for him.
(28:17):
It's the only thing that he cares about. And to
the to the point that like that's part of why
none of his grifts really work in the long run,
because he's a he's incapable of thinking things out. Like
Roger Stone would probably be down to file fake sexual
assault allegations against someone, but he wouldn't do it. Twice
in a year after the first one explodes, he would
(28:39):
be more canny about it. He'd spend more time setting
it up. Uh, he'd make it harder to catch, and
he wouldn't immediately commit the same grift like five months
later after the first month failed, because he's just a
little bit smarter than that. Like he's not smart, but
he's a little But also like, uh, maybe he wouldn't
even have been the face of it, you know what
I mean, Like he doesn't need Like the fact that
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Jacob wool needs to be the face and the person
that's coming out with this news is just indicative of
a personality that needs attention more than anything else. He's
not looking for the truth or anything else. He wants
to be this face of of revelation in bullshit. You know. Yeah,
he wants to be facing down a bunch of press
guys dressed in a suit. Uh. He wants to feel
(29:23):
like an FBI agent, but without like the air power
or investigating anything. Yeah, Like he there's there's all these
pieces of other careers like politics and journalism and law
enforcement that he wants to end, like it the finance
industry that he wants to have, But the only pieces
he wants of them are like the public facing pieces
that he's seen in movies. He doesn't in none of
(29:46):
the jobs that he wants to do. Does he actually
want to do the work? Keep in mind he I mean,
has he gone to any type of schooling or anything
to accomplish any type of actual I don't know. Like
he's just a rich kid, like flaunting around his much money.
He's just a rich kid who's dad is like a
(30:07):
lawyer who advised Donald Trump on stuff, who wants to
do shady, gross politics stuff and doesn't actually want to
work hard. Yeah, that's Jacob Wol. Yeah. What a man,
What a man, What a man, What a mighty good man. Now,
the fake allegations against Pete Butter jig blew up in
(30:28):
Wolve's face because the young man they picked to make
the allegations, a Republican himself, went to The Daily Beast
with recorded audio of Wolan Berkman trying to convince him
to lie about a sexual assault. Oh my god. Yeah,
the guy recognized wol immediately and was like, well, I
gotta take this meeting, but I'm just gonna record everything
they say and go to this guy like this. Yeah,
(30:49):
I'm I'm alright, with this guy quote. The source who
spoke to The Daily Beast said Berkman and wol made
clear that their goal was to kneecap butter Jig's momentum
in the presidential race. The man asked to remain anonymous
out of a concerned that the resulting publicity might imperil
his employment, and because, he said Wollen Berkman have a
reputation for vindictiveness. So several days before the Beast article
could run, a young man named Hunter Kelly published a
(31:10):
post on Medium alleging that Pete Butterjig had assaulted him
in February of this year. The post was tweeted by
a Trump advisor and by Jacob's dad, David Wool, and
wound up on Big League Politics, the right wing political
conspiracy website. Journalists and and instantly recognized some things that
looked pretty spishy about these allegations, like the fact that
Kelly's Medium and Twitter accounts were both less than a
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month old, and that the main person he'd interacted with
on social media was Jacob Wool. Can you be more obvious?
Are you? S's so bad at this. He's so bad
at this, Like it almost upsets me. It almost upsets
me that someone with that much money and and connections
can't get like one thing right, like not not not
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a single aspect of any of this right. Like there's
terrible guys like Paul Manaford who you look at in
your like their monsters, but at least like most of
the things they've done worked like this, they're not an
idiot like he's a more. Yeah, he doesn't deserve any
part of his wealth or any part of his entitlement
(32:18):
or privilege like he is. He's just Yeah. You can
say about Roger Stone and Paul Manafort. They don't deserve
their wealth or or their success that they've had, but
they at least deserve to be famous because the things
that they've done have had an impact on history. Jacob
wool is like that person without ever having an impact.
(32:39):
He's done nothing but like give journalists something to giggle over.
He's just flailing. He's flailing for attention. Yeah, it's it's
pretty sad. Now, Um, that doesn't mean I'm gonna stop
laughing about him, because I need something to laugh about.
And uh and these this really wipes the payday loan
staying out of my mouth. Oh we're gonna We're gonna
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keep going on here. The Daily Beast managed to track
down the real Hunter Kelly, who said that the accounts
created in his name were not under his control. He
eventually posted a message to his Facebook timeline titled I
was not sexually assaulted quote to keep it brief for now.
I was approached by a political figure to come to
d C to discuss political situations from the standpoint of
a gay Republican. When I arrived, they discussed Peter butter
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Jig and started talking about how they would be working
a campaign against him. I went to bed and woke
up to a fake Twitter at real Hunter Kelly and
an article that I in no way endorsed. He wrote,
I have since left and him working on a formal
statement to give to everyone, including the butter Jig family.
Kelly claims that Wohl and Berkman basically flew him the
d C and then printed up a fake statement they
wanted him to sign that then posted the statement without
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his permission, according to the Daily Beast quote. He went
on to say that they also tried to get him
to sign off on a script for a press conference
over his protests, but he called his family to come
get him and then fled. This is the second person
that's felt like they had to flee the presence of
Jacob Bowl and Jack Berkman. Now what's interesting to me
is that both of the men Woln Berkman tried to
con into reporting butt a jig were Republicans, Trump supporters,
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Even it seems that Wole and his partner just sort
of expected that their fellow conservatives would be down for
any kind of grift that hurt Democrats, even if it
meant implicating themselves in an obvious crimes concocted by idiots
with the history of having their crimes instantly exposed. The
audio recorded by the Daily Beast source gives some insight
into precisely how Wol tried to sell these young men
on engaging in a criminal conspiracy to falsify rape allegations. Quote.
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When the source expressed reluctance, they assured him the scheme
would make him wealthy, famous, and a star in Republican politics.
Wol cited the national recognition given to Christine Blassie Ford
after she accused Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh of sexual
assault during his confirmation hearings last year. The source did
not agree to participate in the scheme, but Roll followed
up with a phone call a day or two later
to see if he could recommend friends or associates who
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might be a good fit to play the victim and
the hoax. I do I do want to I do
want to bring up the fact that in our previous
episod but Payday Loans, when they were trying to con
the Economist to write that article about them, in their
response email, they promised fame and everyone's going to be
knocking on your door or like whatever, like that's all
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that's their ploys, Like you're gonna get so famous from this. Also,
Christine Waldi Ford was fucking like crucified by the media
that I can't imagine. I can't imagine a worse kind
of fame to get the thing that she had. It's
saying like it seems like it was an unspeakable night,
mayor for her and her family, which shows the kind
of person Wool is because I really don't think I
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think he was telling the truth and that he believed
that she got famous and it was a good thing,
because I think he's incapable of seeing any kind of attention.
It's bad, and she did get a lot of attention,
and so that's a bad press is still pressed in
his Yeah. Yeah, So he sees this woman being like
attacked by the entire right wing media ecosystem and like
(35:58):
like but the president of the United everyone knew her name. Yeah,
and so he's jealous of yeah, Which there's a core
of something deeply sad and pressing there. Very pathetic. It's
very pathetic given given the world we live in. I'm
not for a goddamn second going to feel bad about
(36:18):
Jacob Woarl just going to laugh about him too. Again,
clear the worst bastards out of my head. While we uh, yeah,
we talked about this. So the Daily Beast looked into
the phone number that Wol called from. It traced back
to a company, Potomac Intelligence Group, which claimed to be
a political and corporate intel firm just like Surefire Intelligence.
Minutes after The Daily Beast reached out to Wool about
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Potomac Intelligence, the website was taken down. So, if you
know anything about Jacob wol you know a little thing
like repeatedly being revealed as a fraud wasn't going to
stop one of his grifts. Wool and Jack Berkman next
announced a press conference. It would be hosted in the
driveway of Berkman's house in northern Virginia. Two days before
the event, Yeah, they've gone from like a holiday in
(37:00):
for the molar one to like the lobby of c
pack a driveway a driveway. Uh, the fucking stupid Fox, stupid,
stupid Fox um. Two days before the event, Berkman tweeted
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a link to an event bright page called protest against
the Homophobic Bigots. This was apparently an event organizing page
for a protest against the press conference being hosted by
Jacob Wool and Jack Berkman. Berkman claimed that the page
was evidence of a real plan for hundreds of leftist
protesters to disrupt their super important press conference. We will
not surrender to the mob. We've called an extra security
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to guard our safety and that of our partners in
the media. Now will Summer, the journalist who's probably done
the most to cover wolves. Various gripts noted that quote.
Before Berkman's tweet, no other Twitter account had promoted the
event page. Another reporter, Jason Duckman, found at the event
bright page had been started by someone using the email
address Woll think tank at gmail dot com. It gets
(38:08):
and just try to cover your tracks. Just try to
make a fake email account. You know how many fake
emails like accounts I've made, like a ten percent off discount,
like some fucking new site or something like. It's very
easy to make an email account, very easy. It's incredib
It takes seconds, Jacob, like, it takes seconds. Come on, man, God,
(38:33):
just upsetting. Yeah, it's it's frustrating. When what was confronted
about this, he claimed, I've never used event bright in
my life. It was created by a troll. We're gonna
get to the rest of the story, but first, you
know what's not an incredibly lazy and instantly spotted grift, Sharine,
the products that sponsored the ship. Sponsors sponsors, not grifts
(38:57):
at all. In fact, the products that actually deliver a service. Yeah,
we need him as a fellow podcaster. I get it.
Just support your support your hosts. I love a product,
I love a service. Uh, here they are and we're back.
(39:20):
So on the literal day I wrote this script, Jacob
Wohl and Jack Berkman held their very important press conference
in Berkman's very impressive driveway. The proceedings were interrupted several
times by a garbage truck emptying Brookman's trash, and by
several low flying airplaness why most professionals do not host
press conferences and driveways. Wolan Berkman refuted the claims that
(39:44):
they had basically kidnapped Hunter by pointing out that they
bought him a Starbucks frappuccino and an expensive haircut. What
did yeah. They then segued seamlessly to stating that they
were investigating Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren and Biden's case,
they think he might have parking since they invited all
candidates to submit themselves to investigations in order to gain
(40:05):
the sure to be coveted wol Berkman's Seal of approval.
That's that's literally what they referred to it as is
the wool Burkman Seal of Approval, which I can't imagine
anything more prestigious, Like I can't that sounds that sounds
really legit. It does. Like all their press conferences, this
one fizzled out with nothing of value having been presented.
The closest thing to a scoop was the ominous claim
(40:27):
that Berkman's home would be the center of the election.
His home, Yeah, he claimed his home was going to
be the center of the election. Should have ever heard
of of of the election? Your house? Yeah? My driveway,
my lawn. God fuck off. If like me, you're one
(40:49):
you're wanting to know exactly what Jacob Wowle and his
bumbling sidekick Haff planned for two thousand twenty, I have
some good news for you. A few days before Wol's
latest grift collapsed in on itself, a document was leaked
to The Daily Beat, a brochure for something called the
Arlington's Center for Political Intelligence BUILD is a conservative political
intelligence and advocacy organization. The a c p I claimed
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to be able to impact political outcomes for the benefit
of conservative candidates. As you've surely guessed by now, the
Arlington's Center for Political Intelligence is really just Jacob Woll.
In this document, which was essentially an attempt at raising
funds for his new company, Will claimed that a c
p I would, among other things, operate a troll farm
all the Internet research agency infiltrate their operatives into democratic
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campaigns and execute high impact publicity stunts to insert stories
into the mainstream media that all sounds like things wall
Is capable of doing, and he just doesn't know how
to want to stop or how to stop. He's addicted. No, no,
he's addicted to grifting and also terrible at it. Now.
(41:55):
Will claimed that the a cp I needed one million
dollars in funding from investors in order to care wry
out its important mission. The document went out to lay
out a number of plans, obviously cribbed from Russian actions
laid out in the Molar report. Wol wants to use
bot networks to build large accounts that poses leftists and
then tell people at the last minute not to vote
in That's actually a plan he laid out was to
(42:15):
like pay bots to build fake leftist Twitter in Instagram
accounts and then tell everybody unlike November Onet, not to vote.
Brilliant scheme, yeah, yeah uh. He notes that the strategy
was utilized by the Internet Research Agency with moderate effectiveness
in two thousand sixteen, but with a superior handle on
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American cultural nuances, a c p I will be able
to have a devastating impact on democratic candidates. So basically, like,
because we know that social media, we're going to use
it means yeah, and it's it's what's really funny to
me is that he repeatedly references the Internet Research Agency,
but then like kind of slams them for not understanding
American culture and stuff and be like, we'll be better
(43:00):
than them because we know America better. When it's like, dude,
the Internet Research Agency succeeded in all of its goals,
and you have fucked up every single grift you've ever
tried to carry out. Don't don't pretend you're better than
the Russians at this stuff like they got away with it,
just the sheer level of ego on display. I want
(43:21):
to know what a daily, what a day is like
in Jacob Woul's life, Like I want to know, like
if he puts on a shirt being like today's a day,
Today's day. Everyone respects me, you know, the days of
the day people see me as a serious political operation.
That day will never come, jail. I'm so sorry. I'm
(43:42):
not sorry because you your garbage now. In the document,
Will claims to have invented a totally new method of
spreading fake news, which he calls feeding it up the chain.
He lays it out in like a really long and
complex flow chart, but the whole thing boils down to
lying to people about having damning stories and then hoping
that you get mainstream media coverage from stoking rumors. Yeah exactly,
(44:07):
Yeah exactly. Uh. It's kind of sad, but revealing in
the document that wol wol is incapable of seeing anything
but virality is a measure of success. I'm gonna quote
from a chunk of the document. With the advent of
and popularization of live streaming via Periscope, Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube,
it has become possible to synthesize manipulated events that garner
(44:28):
enormous amounts of attention. A textbook example of this tradecraft
took place on November twenty nine, two eighteen, when right
wing activist Laura Lomer handcuffed yourself to Twitter HQ in
New York City after being banned from the site. The
stunt became the number one trending topic on Twitter and
resulted in hundreds of articles being published and countless minutes
of cable news coverage being broadcast around the world. In
(44:48):
a calculated move, Loomer selected New York City is the
place to execute the stunt, where journalists are plentiful and
able to quickly arrive at the scene to broadcast the
event on Periscope and Facebook. Within fifteen minutes of handcuffing
herself to the doors of the Twitter HQ, Lmur was
surrounded by dozens of mainstream and alternative media journalists who
are broadcasting the event, namely on periscope two hundreds of
thousands of people. Within the first hour of the stunt,
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Laura Lumer was the number rue twinding topic on Twitter worldwide.
So he sees lumurs actions at Twitter HQ is a
huge success because it was popular, like the whole thing
that he like, it turns him on to be like,
whoa she went to a place that had so much
media coverage or whatever. Also, I can't get over the
(45:31):
fact that she described it as an activist like that
that's activism now, Like oh god, But like the attention
wasn't people getting angry that she had been banned and
demanding that Twitter reinstate her because that didn't happen. It
was just everyone laughing at her for and then moving
on with their lives because it was funny. Like that's
(45:53):
the thing, was like Jacob and that, like everything that
he says in this document is something that like actual
bad actors have done successfully to influence politics in America
and elsewhere. The ideas aren't unworkable, they're just dumb because
Jacob is dumb and can't pull any of them off
and doesn't understand the difference between Laura Luomer handcuffing herself
(46:17):
to Twitter HQ and being laughed at and the Russians
mounting a campaign to artificially inflate the popularity of third
party Democratic candidates like what's your fucking name? The Jill
ste Yeah, in order to like draw votes away from
the Democrats. Like one of those things is debatably effective.
(46:37):
The other one is just a joke. But he doesn't see.
All he sees is that they both got attention. Jill
Stein got attention, Laura Luomer got attention. So that's the
same thing. His mind is one dimensional. His mind is
truly cannot compute complex thought. Yeah, so is gonna be fun? Um?
(46:58):
I mean no, it's not. He's going to be the
worst year of all of our lives. Is that we're saying.
I'm just excited for what they're going to grift next. Right, Uh,
Laura Luma is gonna to strap herself to something. I'm
going to guess that Jacob Wohl where it will accuse
every single Democratic candidate of sexual assault by the time
the year is over, um, which should be a lot
(47:21):
of fun. I can't wait to see who ships on
whose trust? You know. Oh, I'm looking forward to who
ships on whose chest. I hope we get to see
Jacob Wol arrested um by the FBI for crimes. But
I'm not holding my breath. Um. I think what he's
done is is so laughable. It's definitely crimes. But I
(47:42):
feel like the American justice system does not take him
seriously because it's so laughable and because I mean, we're
laughing at him too. But the reality is there's still
crimes and he has not been faced with any type
of justice or or any type of of of Like
the reason why he keeps doing it is because no
one is stopping him. Yeah, He's faced no consequences other
(48:04):
than like, like, I mean, his life other than being
a grifter is over. Like he at this point like
there's nothing else he can ever do with himself. Jacob
Wohl can't go back to college and get another job
doing something legitimate, because we have hours of him being
Jacob Wol. It's the same thing with Laura Lumer, where
like Laura Lumer is famous right now for screaming on
(48:26):
info Wars that her life is ruined because she's been
kicked off of all social media and stuff for all
these insane and racist stunts she gets up to, and
it's like, yeah, your life is ruined because you ruined
it by yeah, by doing fucked up things to people
Like It's it's like a rapist being like, well, my
life is ruined now because I'm a convicted rapist, and
(48:48):
it's like, yeah, your life is ruined, but like because
you're because you're raped, people like don't you shouldn't have
done that, Like people, and you got caught, which is
what they're they're probably because they got caught. You accused
a random woman of being a terrorist repeatedly, and we're
partly responsible for huge numbers of death threats being filed
(49:10):
against her. Uh, that's libel. You can't you're not allowed
to do that. You in trouble, Like this is actually
an instance. Yeah, that's what's aggravated is that they don't
they don't learn their lesson, and you you have to
be pretty bad, is a right wing grifter these days
(49:30):
to get banned from Twitter, Like that should tell you
how bad Laura Loomer and Jacob Wool are. Like they
they got banned from like Paul Watson still on fucking Twitter.
The fact that they have not like that that they
managed to get like forced Twitter to take action means
that they were pretty egregiously violating the services rules. And
in Wohl's case, he was literally bragging about breaking Twitter's
(49:53):
rules to a journalist for a major outlet and it's like, yeah, dude,
of course you get banned like that's not I mean,
or be permanent forever because it's part of me. Is
kind of upset because our last episode that we did,
we got like pretty good attention from I feel like
Jacob Wol retweeted us and like common they are the ones.
(50:16):
Nothing they've done recently has been interesting, So I'm not
going to talk about them more. But we did we
did get to slam the crass and Stein's directly, which
was satisfying. It was satisfying because they because they were
just all over it. Yeah, but I mean, Jacob Wool
and Laura Loomer, it's truly just an example of white
(50:36):
privilege as as its worst. Because nothing happens. Like if
they were any other ethnicity or or nationality or anything,
they would have way more attention legally, and that's the truth,
Like I oh, absolutely, without a doubt. And because they're
just rich white folk, they get untouched. And that's what's infuriating,
is because white for the black of a better word,
(51:02):
like white collar crime or whatever you want to call it.
It's not like, oh, just let's just say white skinned crime. Yeah,
Like I don't even know if this counts as white collar,
Like I'm not sure what kind of collar Repeatedly faking
rape allegations is, Like I don't I really don't know.
Like they've invented a new kind of white crime. And
it's yeah, I will say. Speaking of the Krassenstein's and
(51:27):
Jacob Wool, one of my favorite moments on Twitter last
year was um Kim Clippenstein, the FOYA journalist with young
Turks who like revealed that the FBI had an open
investigation into Wool, got into a fight with him on Twitter,
and uh, Jacob Wol mistook him from one of the
Krassenstein brothers because their last names are vaguely similar. Oh
my god, and so Wol was like why don't you
(51:50):
just like get up to another grift with your brother?
And Clippenstein responded, you know, the only difference between you
and the Krassenstein's is their their grifts don't immediately explode
in their faces. And then Brian Krassenstein responded by just
saying boom, Yeah it was really good. Wow, it was
(52:13):
one of those moments that makes Twitter worth it. So
he like low key admitted to grift ing better. I
think he was just too dumb to really know what
was going on in the conversation and just saw that
somebody had attacked someone attacking him. Like, I really don't
think he understood what was being said. But Ken Clippenstein
(52:34):
is a great follow on Twitter, so check him out.
Yeah yeah not he not any relations is not a
completely different last name. Yeah wow. Anyway, that's the episode, Serene, Well,
thank you better after the payday loan stuff. No, I'm
(52:55):
still mad, but I'm always mad. My default is just anger. Um,
thanks for having me on to revisit our our sheep
in Wols clothing. He's just a dumb little sheep. He's
just he's just a dumb little sheepy sheep, sheepy sheep.
It's almost insulting to sheep honestly, But yeah, I wouldn't
(53:15):
want to. I wouldn't want to tar sheep with that brush.
Sheep provides so many useful things. Wool and they're kind
of cute. Sheep's milk, yeah, sheep's oil. Yeah, and they're concrete.
I think, genuinely, I think they are more intelligent than wol.
I have never seen a sheep fuck itself over in
(53:39):
the same fashion that Jacob Bowl has. Usually they just
eat plants and mind their own fucking business, huddle together
for warmth in the winter, which is a more successful
strategy than Jacob Bowl has ever executed. Wow, what a
ship show? Well, what a show? Get some plugables to Yeah,
(54:01):
follow the podcast that I co host, Ethnically Ambiguous and
listen to us. We talked about elhan Omar a lot,
especially with the recent stuff that's been going on um
and why everything against her is pretty much a facade
but um. You can follow us Ethnically Ambiguous UM or
Ethnically am Big m B I G on Instagram ethnically
(54:22):
and am A m B on Twitter. You can follow
me at shiro hero on Instagram and shiro Hero six
six six on Twitter. It's s h E R O
h E r o uh. Yeah, and thanks for having me, Robert.
This was splendid. Even though you're not in the same
room as me. I feel like we've bonded today. We
have bonded today, and there's only one thing that conceal
(54:45):
the kind of bond that is built over listening to
Jacob wool stories, and that is celebratory. Sophie have grabbed. Yeah,
Sophie have grabbed the role of bagels. See, when you've
been working together as long as Sophie and I have,
you just know what the other person wants. I'm gonna
yell in anger, and you throw the bagels. When I
(55:07):
give my angry bagel throwing, I'm going to try to
get the sound on on my mic. Okay, go, okay,
Yeah that's a pretty perfect sound. Yeah perfect. Oh my god,
I'm so satisfied with how that went. Yeah, I'm very
I'm happy. I mean not really, but you know, I'm
the bagel have made me happy. Yeah, that's that's the
(55:30):
beauty of throwing bagels. They really they really cleanse the
soul's palate. They cleanse the soul's palate. Good baked, good
we'll do that. You know, that's why they called baked
goods because they're good. That is why they're called baked goods.
They're not baked. No, No, baked bads are well actually
baked bads. Or when I try to make baked goods
(55:50):
because they usually get high and forget that, the evans on.
But it is bad. That is bad. That is bad.
Not a great strategy. Speaking of great strategies, I'm not
making an a plug. I don't know why I use
my add plug. Boys. You can find me on Twitter
at I right, okay. You can find this podcast on
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(56:11):
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