Part Four: Helena Blavatsky: the woman who inspired the Nazis, and Gwyneth Paltrow

In part four of this series, Robert concludes his conversation with Jamie Loftus about Helena Blavatsky.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Oh, welcome to Behind the Bastards, the podcast where I
brag about how much better the weather is right now
where I am than where Jamie is. Somehow this podcast
has gotten five episodes. Yeah, what an incredible What an
incredible thing for a friend to do. You know, actually,

(00:22):
I do think that all of my friends regularly do
brag about the superiority of their climate, and I don't
appreciate it. Well, everyone used to say that, brag about
how nice it was in southern California, but then we
killed the planet. Yeah, I I missed that era. I've
only lived in the dystopia in June gloom all that

(00:43):
was the time. Yeah, what is June gloom? Oh, that's
when you would get like a little bit, like a
week or two a cool weather in June. It would
be like no, would be like almost the whole month
of June. It would be gray and it would be
like in the sixties. It was lovely. It was like
my entire life until you know, the planet a couple
of years ago. Yeah, when I when I moved to

(01:04):
l A, it was in like June, and I had
I left Texas where it was like hot. I drove
through Phoenix where it was unlivable for human beings. Um.
And then I get to Los Angeles and in Culver City,
it was like the first three weeks I was there
was like sixty eight at the height of every day
and like partly cloudy, which is perfect. Um. But then

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we killed the planet. Um. And you know specifically who
killed the planet, Jamie loftus were we gonna, we're gonna,
We're gonna pit this on h blots full stock. Helena
Blavatsky is responsible. Industry doesn't help blot. Yeah, she's not,
but she is responsible for World War two. Um. And

(01:47):
that's today's story. Um. So in she leaves New York
for eventually Bombay, India. Right, they stopped in England along
the way, they set up some some theosophical offices. Everyone's
gonna yell at me about migrates from the US to
the UK, But she's the only one that continues east

(02:09):
from there, so I'm interested in what happens. Yeah, so
she winds up in Bombay. Um, and she eventually moves
on from from there a little bit. But yeah, Blovotsky
and Ola Um bring basically like kind of frame it
us like we are returning like traditional Hindu and Buddhist
beliefs to India by like setting up the Theosophical Society
here um. So eventually she yeah, they landed in Bombay

(02:34):
and they partner with an organization, an organization called the
Ardia Samaj Movement which had been founded a few years
earlier by a guy named Swammy Saraswati, who was a
Hindu holy man who was really angry about the Christianization
of his country because the British bringing missionaries right who
are trying to recruit people to be Christians. So there
is a lot of there's actually a lot of folks

(02:56):
in India who like what Blovotsky is saying and doing,
even though like because one of the things I think
that is worth understanding about Hinduism is that it is
not it is not a religion with the kind of
strict doctrine that you get in a lot of like
Christian religions, where it's like no, this is like, I
having spent a lot of time in India, one of
the fun experiences you have there is when you like

(03:17):
are eating with with Indian folks and like just asking
them about like rama and see it and all these
like different um um gods and goddesses and mythical stories
and stuff. Every time you add, like if different groups
of people are telling you the same story, it's a
little bit different every time, right, because there's all these
different like variations. And that's one of the things that's
like so neat about UM talking to people in that

(03:38):
part of the world about religion, and so there's not
there's not as much of a you would expect maybe
kind of a backlash, but instead it's more people happy
that like, oh, these Westerners actually like our religion and like, yeah,
they're they're interpreting it in weird ways and I hadn't
heard that or that, but like even interest, Yeah, they're
they're coming here to engage with our religion rather than

(03:59):
to vertus to theirs, which is like people like that, right,
Like of course they like that, you know, it's not
it's a perfectly understandable thing. Um. And this guy, Sara Swatty,
he wants to push his people back to their like
traditional spiritual beliefs and not the ship the British we're
peddling and Blovotsky and old caught. They're basically trying to
de Christianize the West and bring the vetas there. So yeah,

(04:20):
this is actually pretty popular. Like it's not that like
a lot of Indians don't become theosophus, but like there's
there's people like in the country who are like, oh,
this is a nice trend to see. Um, So the
society does grow around the world. There's something like a
hundred and thirty offices around the world by the time
she dies. Um. Like it spreads and in a manner

(04:42):
that's not why. Again, there's a lot of similarities between
theosophy and scientology, not in terms of the belief system,
because number one much less of a toxic thing, like
and she is a less toxic person than l Ron Hubbard.
I will give her credit for that. Yeah, that's incredibly hard. Second,
but the theosophical theosophy in general is not like it

(05:04):
is not like scientology. It is not based entirely around
abuse and like secrets and violence. Um, but it does
the way that it spreads it there's a lot of
similarities between how science because because Hubbard is looking at
Blovotsky and her example when he's setting up his secret
society religion thing, it is kind of well to see
that like ripple effect of like Blotski is essentially asking, like,

(05:25):
can I do spiritualism but worse? And then l Ron
Hubbard's like, can I do theosophy amongst other things but worse?
And then you just spiral out from there. Yeah, um,
so that's cool, uh, Blovotsky and launch a journal, The Theosophist,
And she continues to orchestrate control over the movement by
having her master's send letters to Olcott and others. Particularly

(05:47):
there will be like high ranking Indian late in terms
of like their their position in society, like Indian folks,
people with money, and like high ranking British colonial administrators
who will come by and like be interested in what
she's talking out, and she'll have her master's reach out
to them. Um. Sometimes when she's feeling lazy and in
an argument with someone, she'll just claim that they've contacted

(06:08):
her telepathically directly to like in an argument like no
could whomy just like d mned me man, and like
you're wrong. You've gotta stop saying this shows it's pretty funny, uh.
Stawazinski continues quote. The masters soon began exchanging correspondence through Blovotsky,
of course, with an Englishman living in Indian named Alfred
Percy Sinnett. Sennett was a writer and editor in chief

(06:28):
of The Pioneer, an English daily newspaper. Soon after Blovotski's
arrival in India, he became an avid theosophist. In ten
eighty two, he published a book consisting of his correspondence
with Master kut Whomi. Soon after the books released, a
gentleman named Richard Kittle publicly accused Master kut Whomie of plagiarism.
Kittle insisted that the Great Mahatma for copied large parts

(06:49):
of his book published a few years earlier. In response,
Madame Blovotsky released a letter written by the Master, in
which could whom he helped to explain the misunderstanding. It
was not an act of deliberate plagiarism, wrote Mahatma, but
a result of overlapping astral planes. One day, kut Whomie
was reading the Chronicle of the Universe, which contains all
of the information that ever existed. The Master came across

(07:10):
Kittle's text there among billions of others, and failed to
identify it. Now, this is the same argument Elon Musk
makes when he steals people's names on Twitter. How so
even we've been recording to this episode for five hours
and you just really wanted to say that, didn't you did?
It is really funny papers. We'll talk a little more

(07:32):
about them later. The Mahatma papers like a huge moment
in theosophy where like these they it's it's basically kind
of like the sill Marillion of theosophy, h boy, but
it's a huge amount of it is plagiarized by Richard
Kittle because she's a place like all she's doing is
taking other people stuf and rewriting it, and she gets
kind of lazy, and then when she gets called on,

(07:53):
it's like, oh, this is kut whom he's fault. He
fucked up because he was just like all of the
books that have ever existed or will leveler exists, are
like word on the astral Plane, and he was just
like reading it and like failed to he didn't see
like the name on the side when he was like
sending it to me. Um, it's pretty funny. It's pretty funny,
fucking wild. Yeah, he did. He did. He did the

(08:14):
occult equivalent of like copy pasting a Wikipedia page to
like turn an essay in like the great Kudomi and
uh and got away well, I mean I guess it
was accused of planes that, yes, it does. We will
talk about that about it. But initially the rapid growth

(08:35):
of the faith and the constant flood of attention. Yeah,
like this is these are like the big cracks that
start to form, right, So it's as quickly as things
go well for them, ship starts to go badly because
she is I think she's fundamentally kind of lazy, right,
Like this is a lazy fun up. I mean it
does sound like it's funny. I do feel like this
is like a very interesting personality type that has existed

(08:57):
in various forms, but like someone who has andless energy
to self promote but no energy for original thought, which
is like why And it's it's interesting because we've talked
about all of the tricks that she does. We're not
going to get into now we're going to talk about
how she did them. And it's also really lazy, um
like we're it's it's it's much much like less effortful

(09:20):
than you. And that's and and that's what like part
of what I find fastinating like whatever, like societal ship
aside about the like physical mediums is like the amount
of effort people like the Katie King thing, like for
for the it took a lot of work. It was
a lot of work to make like that happen. Yeah,

(09:40):
but it doesn't something. But she was not putting in hours.
No other people are though, so yeah. So in her
two most again she's like basically in order to trick
people with these you know, they're dropping the letter, they're
doing all these other tricks, she has followers who are
helping her carry them out. And in India, the two
people who are doing this the most are a couple

(10:02):
who we've talked about briefly, Emma and Alex Colombe like
c O U l O m b um. They're married
and coffee Yeah, like the coffee Um. She had met
them back in Cairo in eighteen seventy one, if you remember,
she had that like failed spiritual society back then. So
she gets to know them then and they kind of
stay in contact for years, and by the time she

(10:22):
moves to India and sets up shop, they've gotten themselves
stranded in Sri Lanka. Um and Blovotsky paid them to
like paid to bring them to Bombay and she gives
them jobs in the society. Um. And at first they're
like kind of her indentured servants to like work off
this debt. They're cooking and they're cleaning, um. And because
they owe her and like don't really have many other options,
she starts in listening them to help her carry out

(10:43):
tricks on people, um, to raise more money for the society.
A contemporary source literally like carnival tactics. Oh yes, yes, um.
A contemporary source who like eventually gets this information because
like the Colomb's break from her. We'll talk about that in
in a bit, Reverend George Patterson writes. Quote. Readers of
the Occult World, which is a popular magazine at the time,

(11:03):
are familiar with phenomena in which Madame Blovotsky's cigarettes and
cigarette papers play an important part in the presence of
the inquiring company. A cigarette or a cigarette paper is
peculiarly marked or torn across so as to be recognizable again.
It is then dispatched by the agency of a cult
forces to some distant place, and the inquirers are told
will they will find it? Telegraphic communication renders the verification

(11:24):
of the exploit easy, so she will like be sitting
in a room full of people to be like, hey,
I'm going to prove to you this ship's real. I'm
gonna telepathically send this cigarette to England. Right, so she'll
market or something, and then she'll she'll like disappear it
a little slight a hand thing, and then she'll telegraph like,
whoever it is in England, who was like in on

(11:44):
the mark with her, and be like, hey, did you
what did you like? Look behind the look around, look
behind the bust of this philosopher in your library, and
they'll like, oh, I found a cigarette that's ripped in
this way. And everyone will be like, oh my god,
she teleported the cigarette, you know. Okay, yeah, I mean
that that is not an effortless you know, that's that's
not effortless. But it's also she is not the primary

(12:06):
source of effort on that, right. There's a lot of delegating. Yeah,
that is interesting though, that's I mean, there's a lot
of Yeah, she's making like all of the really successful
occult gurus, she's making the most of like cutting edge
technology at the time. Um. Now, thanks to letters later
revealed between Bolovotsky and the Colomb's, we know exactly how

(12:27):
this trick was achieved, and one letter she complains that
a half cigarette that had been left behind to be
found by a theosophist named Captain Maitland and India had
been like cleaned up by a servant or something, and
so when he was telegrammed to like when they telegram
to tell him like where to find it, it wasn't
there because one of his servants had cleaned it up
um and Bolovotsky was enraged. She wrote back to the

(12:48):
Colomb's quote, I am sorry for it for Captain Maitland
as a theosophist and spent money over it. They want
to tear the cigarette paper in two and keep one half,
and I will choose the same pieces with the exception
of the Prince's statue for our enemies. Watch and see
the cigarette fall and destroy it and close an envelope
with a cigarette paper in it. I will drop another
half of a cigarette behind the Queen's head where I
dropped my hair the same day or Saturday. And yes,

(13:10):
she would also drop bits of her hair behind like
things to be like look the hair was like it
was teleported by by me or my master's to like
show favor to you, so you can give us money.
Those little physical confirmations that you're powerful spiritual being is
always kind of like a freaky This is unrelated, but
every time do you ever think about how resput And

(13:33):
filled his walls with hair? What? No, I didn't know that.
It's something I don't actually, I mean, it may not
be true. It's a fact that I learned in high
school in a class that I took that was that
like a house that Rasputant had lived in at some point,
it like the height of his power. After he had died,
they were like demolishing the house and the walls were

(13:54):
full of human hair. You mean Rasputin ra ra rasp,
lover of the Russian MP that one. Yeah, okay, cats
who really was gone? Who really liked filling his walls
with hair? I have not heard that. I hope it's true. Though.
I hope it's true too, because anytime someone said, well,
it's like, yeah, anytime I hear uh, you know, any

(14:17):
time I hear about a hair related occult thing, I'm like, oh,
like the Rasputin's hair walls. Yeah, yeah, I mean, woms
among us doesn't stuff human hair into our walls as
a hobby. Well, me, for one but keeps me young,
keeps me young. So yeah, exactly, it's like jogging. So
another one of her cons was to have a letter

(14:37):
materialized in the air above a mark and flower. Again,
it will be like set up in like a ceiling
fan or something, so it like falls from the sky.
Um And of course these would be We've talked about
this a lot, filled with instructions from kut Umie or
Master Maria. In another letter she wrote to the Colomb's
ahead of a visit with two wealthy theosophists, she told them, quote,
my dear friends, and the name of Heaven, do not
think that I have forgotten you. I have not even

(14:59):
time to read. That is all. We are in the
greatest crisis, and I must not lose my head. I
cannot and dare not write anything to you. But you
must understand that it is absolutely necessary that something should
happen in Bombay while I am here. Uh these two,
the two well like rich marks, must see one of
the brothers and receive a visit from him, the brothers
being her Master and kut Whomie, And if possible, the

(15:21):
first must receive a letter which I shall send. But
to see them the Brothers is still more necessary. The
letter must fall on his head like the first, and
I am begging kut Whomie to send it to him.
We must strike while the iron is hot. Act independently
of me, but in the habits and customs of the Brothers.
If something should happen in Bombay, that would make all
the world talk. It would be grand. But what the
brothers are inexorable. Oh dear Mr Colombe, save the situation

(15:44):
and do what they ask you. So yeah, I mean
that's that's pretty like clear what she's doing, right, Like Yeah, No,
I mean that's and it is. I mean it does
sound like pretty duration all too. I think it's like
part of what makes impressive. It is like the same
fee are coming back and back and back, and you know,
you've to keep them interested to keep the money going.

(16:06):
You gotta every you gotta keep giving them these bits
of personal connection with Master Maria and Kudahumie. That's what
they want and that's what they're paying for. Yeah, And
also I feel like it's what because like like this
was like formed in like or at least with spirituals
have formed in like out of a distaste for like
the amount of like shame and rejection that comes with

(16:26):
Christian religion, so that so much of this kind of
ship is built around like confirmation and affirming things you
already believe. But that but that creates this whole pressure
of like, because I am claiming my religion is backed
by science, I have to have things go and go
and go in increasingly big and impressive ways in a

(16:47):
way that is just like completely unsustainable. So that's that's
that's fascinating to hear that she's using such elaborate tactics
to kind of keep that up. It is also funny
the first like line to line of that sound just
like a Democratic Party fundraising letter. We are in the
greatest crisis. I haven't had time to breathe. I must

(17:07):
not lose my head myself. Please help an email. So
other letters she sent during her travels in India make
it clear exactly how these summonings were handled logistically. Everyone
here is madly anxious to see something. I shall write
you from Amratsar Lahore. My hair will do well in

(17:27):
the old Tower of Zion. But you should put it
in an envelope, a sachet of some peculiar kind, and
hang it while you where you hide it, or even
in Bombay, select a good spot and write to me
at Amrothsar and then after the first month to Lahore.
So she's like been saying, ahead of me, go set
up tricks and tell me where they are, so I
can go into some guy's house and be like you
check behind the bureau. There's a thing for you from

(17:49):
It's a lock of my own hair. You know, I
teleported it to you. That's like, I mean, I guess
she's kind of doing her own thing at this point.
She's definitely yeah, yeah, like that the hair stuff. This
is not like this is her stuff from across the ocean,
is not should I have encountered before. But she's doing
I mean, this is closer to just like elaborate magic tricks. Like, yes,

(18:11):
she is doing elaborate magic. Yes, yes, well, and again
she is an occultist. She's not a spiritualist, right, like
the spirituals didn't really do stuff like this, um so.
One of Blovotsky's favorite tricks involved a shrine to kut
Whomi in the Theosophical Society's headquarters. It had locking doors
and it was like against a wall, so on a
wet regular basis, they'd open the shrine, people could like

(18:31):
pray to the Master burn and since give him their
requests in the form of letters um, which would be
like teleported to him into Bet. But the shrine had
a secret back door built into it so that when
it was locked, a society, remember, could like add things
to the case. So periodically when they were guests, they
would like have tea and someone would break a saucer
or a teacup or even a kettle, right, and then

(18:52):
they would take the pieces as a demonstration of whom
he's power. They put them in the shrine and they'd
lock it, and when they open it, a brand new
one would be sitting magically right, Yeah, sent from Tibet. Yes, um. Yeah,
that's a good use of That's that's like what I

(19:12):
love about. What a good use of someone's energy and
time to fix a plate, to make a to make
a point again, they're never using these magical powers to
like stop genocide and the congo that's going on in
this period or like, yes, solve any of these mass
like any problems. It's just like shipped teacup. Yeah, he's

(19:37):
got that ship. Yeah, could think the civil war going
on in China that's killing tens of millions of people,
could whom he does not have that ship, but like
could whom he's got this saucer he's gonna fix. But
but one fictional character, that's right, solve that sort of
systemic issue. So in one of her letters to the
Cologn's planning this con the saucer con, Blovotsky made it

(19:58):
clear what she thought I've been that, I mean, Jamie
on a on a somewhat related note, we should we
should do something in Roswell at some point, but um oh,
there's a podcast there. There's just gonna be a day
where you can text me meet me at Roswell and
then I'll be like, all right, it's the day and

(20:20):
everything is canceled and I'm getting on a bus. Yeah, yeah, Sophie,
turn off the podcasts, Jamie and I gotta go to Roswell. Yes, yes,
of course, all right, we'll make we'll make this happen.
Um yeah. So in one of her letters to the columns,
Blovotsky made it clear what she thought about these people
who are again thought these are supposed to be her

(20:41):
followers that she's inducting into the mysteries she wrote, try
if you think that it is Try if you think
that it is going to be a success to have
a larger audience than our domestic imbeciles. Only it is
well worth the trouble. She's literally talking about like this,
this this saucer card, like if you if you're going
to if you think that you can pull this off,
try to get more people in there than just like
the normal idiots that we have around. Like, I mean

(21:03):
that is she does have a good way of laser
focusing on, like how to make things appear more credible. Yeah, yeah,
that's she's like my followers, Uh, let's not talk about
their intelligence level. It's low. Now obviously it was. This
was a boring time, right, Like there's not much going
on in the world. That's a big part of why

(21:24):
spiritualism as a success and occultism is a success. People
don't have a whole lot to fill their days. They
hadn't invented Twitter yet, unfortunately, tragically, I mean, they're I
politely disagree. That's fine people, it's easier to impress people
with ship, but even so, it all gets old after
a while, right, you can only do these cons many

(21:44):
times you're like, oh, another lock of your hair in
my house hooray. So yeah, they've gott like she's gotta
try new things on a pretty regular basis um. And
the sheer volume of letters that her master sent out
eventually made some folks ask can I can I like
see kut Whomie? Can he like come over? Can I
see master? More manifestation? This is what always always happens.

(22:07):
We are we are in Bombay, to beet's not that
far compared to how far to bet normally is from
our asses, right like? Can we not? And they can?
They can teleport like they're supposedly teleporting around handing letters
to people. Can I not like I've given you so
much money? Can I like see these guys? Um? Pretty
normal request? And we're going to talk about how Helena

(22:29):
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(23:12):
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(23:33):
know people who started asking can we see these fucking
masters that you're that are always giving us orders and stuff.
This is a very typical trajectory. But but I think
she really fucks herself over by implying that he's not
local but not not far away but not all that
far right right, I mean to bet is you know,
far from Bombay but not usually spiritless will normally um

(23:54):
play it, I think much smarter and say that their
guides are dead. They cannot they cannot come through. That
is definitely a downside to what she's doing. Yeah. Um,
so in order to like trick people, Imma Colombe claims
would later claim that Blovotsky had her construct a puppet quote. Later,
in one of her good moods, Madame Blovotsky called me

(24:14):
up and told me, see, if you can make a
head of human size and place it on the divan,
pointing to a sofa in her room, and merely put
a sheet around it, it would have a magic effect
by moonlight. What can this mean? I wondered, But knowing
how disagreeable she could make herself if she was stroked
on the wrong side, I complied with her wish. She
cut a paper pattern of the face I was to make,
which I still have on this I cut the precious

(24:35):
lineaments of the beloved Master. But to my shame, I
must say that after all my trouble of cutting, sewing
and stuffing, Madam said that it looked like an old jew.
I suppose she meant Shylock, which is like a racist
caricature of Jewish people. Madam, with a graceful touch here
and there of her painting brush, gave it a little
better appearance. So they make this fake head to be

(24:56):
Master kud homie um And yeah, I see that are
my question? Are there photographs of this? Because there are
a lot of fun pictures from the second wave of
spiritualism of things like you're describing, like paper mache like,
but if they're backlit and picked pitch dark, looks enough

(25:17):
like a human silhouette that people would would really be
convinced by them. But then you see a flash photograph
taken of them, and you're like, oh, dear, that is
a pile of still wet paper machee. Um, let's see,
can we find there's definitely like portraits of him that
some German guy did which he looks like Jesus um.

(25:38):
And again he's he's he's supposed to be like a
Tibetan ancient mystic, but also he's like but still looks
like well, I think he's kind of supposed to be
like a member of I'm not a cute hoomie expert,
a coute homologist they called them. But I think he's
supposed to be like, um, you know, one of these
master race type people. And so obviously he looks like
a white dude. Um. But yeah, I have not found

(26:03):
this head. But yeah, next she uh Emma explains like
the purpose the doll played in their their little con quote.
The doll plays the greatest part in these operations, and
as I have already explained, it is carried on somebody's head,
but at times it is placed on the top of
a long bamboo and raised to show that it is
an astral body. But when the doll has not been
at hand, even a white cloth wrapped around the person

(26:24):
who was to perform the Mahatma was at times used
and answered the purpose and then would do this to
like have him deposit letters and like he's like kind
of wave basically at people, like you give you a
second of like seeing kut Whomie before he disappears. So
it doesn't have to be much right. You do it
at night, you do it from a distance, you know,
he drops off a thing and he goes, and then
someone's like, no, I saw kut Whomi. He like graced

(26:45):
us with his his presence. He's real. Um. Now, obviously,
the fact that I'm reading all of this to you, Jamie, Um,
I'm not inducted into the mysteries of Theosophy UM means
that it got out, which means that the Cologne decided
to tell everybody, which gets us to one of the
more infamous moments in Theosophist history. Well, I'm very so

(27:06):
wait sorry, what year are we in right now? This
is like eighteen seventy eighteen eighty somewhere like around that period. Um, yeah,
I've got a date in there a little later. Um.
But yeah, this is so this this moment in Theosophus
history is called the Colomba fair. The gist of it
is that eventually the Colombs had a falling out with Blovotsky. Um.

(27:26):
They threatened to blackmail her, and she had them kicked
out of the religion and their positions, and in the
drama that followed, they took all these letters that she'd
been they've been sending back and forth that out laid
out all of the cons they were pulling, um, and
they gave them to some loot local Christians who had
beef with Theosophy. So Theosopus will always be like, well,
they were concluded, you can't trust the Cologns and like

(27:46):
these these Christians had like a reason to want to
damage the church. But it's like it also it all
adds up, and they had a lot of letters that
were definitely from Blovotsky and other people talk about variations
of these cons like it's just it's very clear what happened, right, sure, man?
That is that is always um, that's one of my
that's always a fun source of dramatic tension when the

(28:08):
when the assistant goes rogue. Yes, yes, and and and that.
I mean it happens because she's mean, like she's shitty
to work. That's the thing that's and that's always why
it happens. It's because either you're not being compensated or
treated well. So leader, I promise, when we're living on
a cult compound fighting the f d A, I'm never

(28:30):
gonna be rude to my followers. I may ask you
to die for me and a holy wold against the
Food and Drug Administration, but in a nice way, politely.
But oh but in a like a friendly kind of way. Yeah,
like in that documentary Wild Wild Country, those people seem nice.
I don't think they did an anything wrong. Yeah, no,
I it's been a couple of years. I've only seen

(28:50):
I've seen about five hundred cult documentaries since then. So
I'll agree with your characterization of that. Why not it
seemed fun. Yeah, let's just move right past, and everyone
on Reddit will have no issue with what I've just said. Um,
compromising positions. Look if okay, let who okay, show hands,

(29:15):
who has not poisoned a bunch of people in Antelope, Oregon?
Come on, okay, I don't. I don't see any not
any hands in the air. That's right, we all do it.
It's fine. It's like lying to you know, a raal
going with this. I'm going to Antelope, Oregon to a right.

(29:36):
How about you go back to your script. Calm down, okay, okay, okay, okay,
I just get gets me excited about this stuff. Fussy
so fussy. On a Friday afternoon, there's this all of
this info comes out and these Christians start writing a
bunch of articles with like publishing the letters, and it's
a big embarrassment, right, a big deal for the Theosophus community.

(29:58):
Does a lot of damage to them, especially in India.
And one of the upsides of this whole weird affair
is that Blovotsky's room at the headquarters is inspected by
other Theosophists and they find hidden doors and passages built
into her room to allow her to like sneak around
and leave ship and like do her spirit stuff. Right. Um,
that's okay, Yeah, that's okay. So that's like, yeah, so

(30:21):
the room has been specifically like rigged for this sort
of thing that is always so interesting to hear about. Yeah,
that rocks, that's fun that's funny to me. I was
interested in like whether I don't know, I feel like
there's all these cases of like even when the big
public figure is exposed, like with scientology or with spiritualism

(30:45):
at different times, that there are so many believers at
this point that no one even cares and they're like,
there's an excuse. But people take it seriously here, Yeah,
they do. And you know what I take seriously Jamie
just reading this next paragraph. Right, So, the reveal of
her private letters led to a precipitous decline in the
fortunes of the Theosophical Society. But what finally forced Bolotsky

(31:08):
out of India was a controversy over the release of
the Mahatma letters. And these are those the series of
letters of kut Humi and Maria that they sent to
this English author ap sentate that turned out to be
totally plagiarized by another dude. Right, um, yeah, and they
were not only were their plagary but like these are
again these are like mystical supposed to be mystical revelations
of the cosmos by undying gurus and the she controls

(31:32):
seek control Vida, and the parts that aren't ripped off
are just like the specifically like throwing shade at specific
people in the real world that Bolotski disliked. Like it's
this like mixing and airing of personal I have an
argument with like the spirit this guy. To be fair,

(31:53):
how many best selling books could you describe as essentially
a mix of plagiarism and airing personal says I would
do what have I said about coming on here and
slandering Michael Crichton like the man's debt. Let's have some respect.

(32:14):
Michael got a lot of damage on the way out,
didn't you. Um. So this all blew up enough that
a British organization, the Society for Psychical Research. And again
this is not this is not like a crackpot. Nowadays
anything with that name would be kind of crack. But
but again this is like people are trying to see
if this is real science, and it is like legitimately, yeah,

(32:35):
you would want to like study this to some extent um.
So this is like, yeah, you would want to like
try to see can we prove whether or not this
stuff is real. So they send a fucking dude to
India to analyze the letters, and this investigator, Richard Hodson,
writes a huge report which concludes that Bovotsky is quote
one of the most accomplished, ingenious, and interesting impostors in history.

(32:56):
Um now, Theosophics you can read if you want to
spend days reading Theosophists. Tearing this report apart for its
supposed shortcomings and stuff, there's a lot. It's a ton
of it, Jamie, Oh, I know. That's why I was like,
I'm not covering this. I'm going to bed. Yeah, exactly.
It is not worth You don't need to. Nobody needs to.
I'm sure there's a theosophus listening who's gonna be like,

(33:19):
but you're not doing the proper like, I don't care.
It's fine if you want to be a theosopus, a theosophist,
it's not. I don't think there's anything particularly toxic about it.
In two but like, chill out man, she was a
conn woman. I do. I do all kind of I
do kind of like those kind of quotes where it
was like, yeah, you know, this person was objectively full

(33:43):
of ship. But you kind of got a handed to
her right, like, yeah, she was. She was pretty good,
full of sh right. Yeah, well's that's how we feel
about l r H. You know, by the way, so
I'll run Hubbard. Everyone calls l r H. I was like, wow,
look at you on a little cutie cutie nickname. Uh, basically,
it's what scientologists actually do call them. It's like the

(34:04):
thing that you like, they'll talk about like l r H.
Tech and stuff is like a big way they'll refer to,
like scientology like uh, you know, teachings and ship um.
But I kind of think that was also Hubbard ripping
off Glovotsky because everyone calls her HPP and in all
like Theosophy's literature and she's always called HPP. It's very

(34:24):
I tried to watch I did watch with a couple
of friends at the compound, a documentary about her, and
they kept calling her HPP and it sounds like HPV
when you have like a bunch of people saying it quickly, No,
that's my department and I don't have it anymore. Okay,
good for you, thank you. I didn't know that you
could do. Sometimes it just goes away kind of good. Yeah,

(34:46):
just like HPP eventually went away. Um by toxic. I
had a very toxic thought when you said that. Do
you remember how there used to be those god awful
shirts and so the notorious RBG Oh god, yes, do
you think that Theosophy had shirts like now around her?
They are that kind of Jamie. I think we figured
out how you and I are going to make a

(35:07):
million dollars. Yeah, where she's like got a blunt in
her hand because some people think she smoked a lot
of weed, although Lackman says that that's a dirty lie.
But Lackman, we got doubles, got it. We've got to
move products. She smoked weed, she smoked hella herb. I

(35:29):
really don't like that. I had that thought. But now
it's it's gone. I've released it. Thank you, you released
it into the universe, back to the cashic library. Yeah. Yeah,
it's a gigantic volume of sitting at the records cod
What a what a nightmare concept? What a hoot. So
the fact that the report like happens a lot of

(35:50):
the folks who were, like again the people who make
Theosophy profitable, which are people who are kind of into it,
but not like I haven't lost their minds. They maybe
they just want something neat right, like it's boring being
a British person in India all the time or whatever,
or in being a British person in Britain or whatever.
And so maybe a lot of them were just folks

(36:11):
who wanted a little bit of spice. And when this
letter comes out like a lot of like that, that
kind of support, which is where a lot of the
money comes from, starts to evapp rate and and again,
the same way she had in New York, whenever people
start like getting wise to her, like any good conner.
As she moves on and Bovotsky leaves India, she returns
to Europe in March of eighteen eighty five. She left
in eighteen seventy, so she's an India about seventy years

(36:33):
something like that. Um she lands in Naples, she travels
around a bit, and she spends most of the next
three years living off of a society pension, which I
think was quite comfortable, and working on her last book,
her very last book, The Secret Doctrine, and that Jamie
Loftus Sophie Lichtman brings us all the way back around

(36:53):
to our old friend from episode one, Jean Salvain Bailey,
the astronomer who crafted the theory of a Hyperborean Atlantis.
Now Bailey effectively orientalized Atlantis right um, taking the mythical
super civilization of European lore that had been like a
focus of occultists and stuff from millennia and shifting it
to Asia. Um. When we talked about this earlier, I

(37:16):
quoted from Dan Edelstein's Hyperborean Atlantis. Here's him explaining what
Blovotsky actually wrote out in her last book, A series
of lengthy glosses and commentaries of an alleged ancient book
consulted by clairvoyance no less the Stanzas of disneyan Um
I know d z y a n. Blovotsky's text is
an anti Darwinian descentive man that tells the rise and

(37:37):
fall of seven root races. We are currently on number five,
going on six. Each root race is divided into seven
sub races and is associated with a different continent, although
with continental drift and the disappearance of certain continents, these
do not correspond with the ones we know. Unsurprisingly, one
of these lost continents is Atlantis. Although writing shortly after

(37:58):
ignacious Donnelly, who's Atlantis the Antediluvian World launched the Atlantis craze.
Blovotsky did not place Atlantis in between Europe and America,
as Donnelly had, but rather in the far north, near
the North Pole. Indeed, in Blovotsky, Bailey had finally found
a supporter. She quotes his works extensively, no less than
twenty two times, and credits him with having discovered the truth,

(38:18):
or at least part of it, about Atlantis. So the
entire cosmology of Blovotsky's last book is based in large
part on a mix of Bailey's work and that novel
The Coming Race by Edward bulwer Lytton. Now, while Keyed
envisioned this underground master Race as being like potential conquerors,
she saw sees them as benevolent spirit guides. Again, kut

(38:39):
Umi and Master Maria. They're living underground, right, there's this
network of tunnels. They're super race underground. And she saw
bulwer Lytton's concept of real as basically being again kind
of a cult electricity. And as she always did, Blovotsky
just rewrote a couple of other people and like mashed
it together with half understood Eastern religion, and like that's
the associates confirm what she's been trying to write down. Yes,

(39:00):
most of her life. That's wild. Now, unfortunately for everybody
on earth. One thing that Helena chose to focus on
heavily when she was taking it from Bulward Letton or
Litton Bulwar Litton was the whole race science aspect of
his book. Now, this had always been a part of
diffusionists thinking. There's always been some weird, like uncomfortable race
ship with diffusionism, because if you're claiming there's a single

(39:22):
source of all invention and creativity and people day are
degenerate imitations of past splendor, well, some people are going
to be more degenerate than others, right, some people are
gonna be closer to the master race than others. So
there's obviously this has always been a problematic additive. You
see where that's headed. Yeah, yeah, Edelstein continues quote. Blovotsky
also develops to its fullest the racial germ present in

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Bailey's thesis. Hyperborean Atlantis was home to the Atlanteans, but
also saw the emergence of another race, the Arians. From Bolotsky,
the Aryan race was born and developed in the far North,
though after the sinking of the continent of Atlantis, its
tribes immigrated further south into Asia. For a long time,
remaining Atlanteans and the Arians lived together. They brought civilization
to India, Egypt, Greece, and Rome, and are the ancestors

(40:06):
of the current Europeans. The Atlanteans transmitted to the Arians
all the known sciences and even highly sophisticated technologies such
as aeronautics knowledge of flying in air vehicles, as Blovotsky
put it, but over time the Aryan root race also subdivided.
One of the more unfortunate results of this division of
Blovotsky rites was the creation of the Semitic sub race

(40:26):
and artificial Aryan race. The Semites were but one of
the Aryan sub races, but she draws strong distinctions between
them and the others. Quote with the ancient Arians the
hidden The hidden meaning was grandiose, sublime, and poetical. However,
much the external appearance of their symbol may now militate
against the claim with the Semite that stooping man meant
the fall of spirit into matter and the fall and

(40:47):
degregation were degradation were apothesized by him, with the result
of dragging deity down to the level of man. So
the Semites destroyed godliness in Europe. That's why Europeans aren't
magic anymore. Basically was was was the Jews. Um Okay,
this is this is stuff that like I I have

(41:07):
not I've I've read the the gist of what she's saying,
but never like a direct quote, and it's yeah, and
Holy Defenders and Bootsky will say, like, well, no, she
was anti racist because she's she claimed like one of
the things she's arguing is that Europeans white people have
lost the ability to like do magic, and which is
a thing that like Indians have never lost, right and

(41:29):
like people into bed, like there's all these the parts
of the world and Indigenous Americans people are still connected
to magic and white people are not, and that makes
them better than white people in a lot of ways.
But also so I would say, she's not a white supremacist,
but it is very racist thinking and especially anti Semitic thinking. Yeah,
like yeah, the fact that she's not just saying that

(41:52):
white people are the master race doesn't mean that it's
not very racist thinking. Um right, But no, it's extremely
and it's also like that it's classically racist to attribute
magical powers to not white people like that. It's yeah, yeah,
it's racist and many it's very like the arguments people
make to try to make her seem like an anti

(42:13):
racist icon are extremely funny. That's really seventh graders know that. Okay, yeah,
you're going to bat for the Semites destroyed magic lady, Like,
that's where you're that's where you're taking the swing. Huh interesting,
take full you know who did destroy magic? Jamie? Who

(42:39):
besides my amazing friends. Drawing of Alfred Molina. Yes, magic
has returned to the world. That's the new Great Awakening.
It's it starts with this. This is my Jesus and
the toast. Yeah, so go engage with the returning spiritual
occult powers in our new sixth world by purchasing whatever

(43:02):
product comes on next. It will give you powers or not.
We're back and I hope you all used your better
help or promo codes and now have the ability to
summon your own erotic drawings of Alfred Molina suckling different
furry creatures at his More. You're getting therapy for the

(43:25):
effect that it is, therapy for what it did do you? Yes, yeah,
just remember that the alphred billina, as with the suckling kittens,
is not real and cannot hurt you. It can't hurt you,
It can only bring you spiritual peace. So Blovotsky winds
up concluding that there is quote an immense chasm between

(43:46):
Aryan and Semitic religious thought. They belong to quote two
opposite polls, sincerity, sincerity and concealment. Who can ever fathom
the paradoxical depths of the Semitic mind? Right? This is
again she gets white washed all out. This is really racist.
This is yeah, this is it doesn't racist. This is
funny because it's like even even critical um interpretations of

(44:12):
her work still make it sound like, well, a lot
of what she said was taken out of context, and
but this sounds pretty in the text. Yes, tell me
what context makes Who can ever fathom the paradoxical depths
of the Semitic mind not racist? What context could make
that not racist? Um? She further degrades Judaism by describing

(44:36):
it as a sex obsessed and selfish cult. Judaism, built
solely on phallic worship, has become one of the latest
creeds in Asia. And theologically a religion of hate and
malice towards everyone and everything outside themselves. Meanwhile, she writes,
true Arians are the most metaphysical and spiritual people on earth.
And now, obviously I feel like I don't need to

(44:58):
belabor how this is adjacent to Nazi thinking, right, Like,
I mean, it's like we could talk about it for hours.
But again it's like, I don't think that there's really
anything to tease apart here. It's just like overtly racist.
Yeah it is. And obviously, like you know, she's growing
up in Russia during a period in which, like a
lot the state is incredibly anti Semitic. There are like

(45:18):
programs when she's a kid that are celebrated and stuff. Um,
she's not by being anti semitic, She's not out of
the norm, but the way she's anti semitic is completely new.
She is inventing new kinds of anti semitism, cooking that
anti semitism into like religious texts, Yeah, into religious texts
that she's trying to spread as like pop philosophy. And

(45:41):
in the Sacred Doctrine, she places Jewish people as the
opponents of the preordained progress of the races. Quote this area,
non area and specifically Semitic opposition would become the great
historical paradigm of the racist right, replacing the Marxist historiography
of historiographic law of class struggle. Blobotsky also raised the
spectr a new race to be chosen from among the

(46:01):
most select members of the Aryan root race. This next
race would have even greater powers than the present one
and would truly produce produce the uber mention of the future. Now.
Helena dies in eight ninety one, but her ideas continue
to spread. Just as she had first tweaked and updated
the work of others. Occultists came along to add to
her ideas. The first was fascist Austrian occultist Yard Lanz

(46:23):
von Liebenfels, who gave the birthplace of the Arians as
a lost Arctic Hyperborea her Moan Earth. A German ethnologist followed.
He named the mystical Aryan homeland tula or it's it's
spelled ful and it's usually said fuel. I think it's
actually supposed to be pronounced tula um. But like this
is also the name of like a popular brand of

(46:43):
like top racks that people put on their subarus. Um,
it's the word had other meetings before. Yes, it's also
the name of my dad's best friend. She's from Greece.
It's a Greek name. Is it spelled t h u Eli. Yeah. Yeah,
there's others. There's like Tulian stuff like yeah, I think
there's there's a number of other kind of similar names.
This is t h u l E. I'll call it
fuls just because that's usually in a hell boy they

(47:04):
say ful. So that's what we're gonna go with here.
Mike mcnola was never wrong. Yeah. In July of nineteen eighteen,
is Germany reeled from starvation and disaster on the Western Front,
the ful myth would be adopted by German theosophist baron
Rudolph von Sabotendorf. He founded a Bavarian right wing nationalist

(47:25):
club and called it the Ful Society. This name set
it apart from other more militant far right organizations, and
its cover as an antiquary and historical society discussing the
myths built by Bolovotsky helped Sabotendorf and his followers avoid
police scrutiny. Quote During the rapid succession of socialist and
Soviet revolutionary governments. In post World War One Munich, the

(47:45):
Ful Society was at the center of the white or
reactionary counter offensive. It's antiquary and cover may have facilitated
this role while authorities cracked down on more visible nationalist groups.
The Ful Society's headquarters at the Fancy I'm not going
to try and pronounce the name of this hotel became
a haven for the resistance throughout the turbulent period between
ninteen eighteen and nineteen twenty. Yeah, the Holiday and the

(48:06):
Society of Us. Yeah. Yeah, So it's it's an umbrella
group for a bunch of different far right paramilitary organizations
known as the Free Corps uh Corps. Right like these
are like using the Thule Society is cover. Now. One
of the far right groups that came under the sway
of the Thule Society was the German Workers Party or
d a P, soon to become the n S d

(48:28):
a P under the leadership of Adolf Hitler. Now, the
precise connections between the d a P and the Fule
Society are debated somewhat. This is often vastly over kind
of emphasized as like the Nazis started as this occult
organ and it's like, no, it's just more that a
lot of early Nazis had occult leadings and this was
a good cover for being a fascist in a period
when that was more dangerous. And so of course, like

(48:50):
they have, they're related to one another, right, Um. Sabatandorff
would always affirm that the Nazi Party was created by
Fule Society members. Reginald Phelps's class dat doubt on these claims. Um.
And it's worth noting though that, like you, again, there's
a lot of debate about like to what a degree
was this like an administrative thing? Was it planned? Um?

(49:10):
But what's actually true, and Ian Kershaw notes this is
that the Thule Society had a shipload of like members
who later became massively influential Nazis. Um. One of these
guys was Alfred Rosenberg. Now Rosenberg would want to be
the Nazi parties, Yeah, he's he sucks, Um. No, not
Alfred Molina. Um. Rosenberg is like basically kind of like

(49:32):
the chief idealogue of the Nazi Party next to Hitler. Um,
like the guy making up the most kind of Nazi
cannon next to Hitler. Another Thule Society member was Hans Frank,
who became future governor of Poland and would be executed.
I believe he's one of the guys executed in Nuremberg.
A lot of war crimes, Hans right, he's running Poland
for the Nazis, right, that's the kind of war crimes
Hans Frank winds up committing um. Another Thule Society member

(49:56):
was Anton Drexler. Drexler is the actual founder of the
Nazi Party. Hitler doesn't found it, right, Hitler's like comes
in kind of a little bit later and and so
eventually does take over. But Drexler is the guy who
founds it, and before he founds the Nazi Party, and
while he's starting the Nazi Party, he's a regular attendee
at the Thule Society meetings. Hitler was never a member
and he was definitely not a theosophist. But Rudolf Hess,

(50:17):
his one time best friend and the guy who actually
wrote mine comp with him, like when they're in prison.
Hess is the guy who's like taking dictation from Hitler.
He later kind of loses his mind and flies a
plane to England at the start of the war to
try to get the king to ally with Hitler. It
doesn't work. Um he dies in prison. Um. Um. He
was also a Thule Society member. Um. And Hess is

(50:39):
super influential to Hitler. Hess is early on because once
they start to get power, Hess kind of gets marginalized
because he's he's very into the occult. He's a little
bit of a crackpot, but he is like he is
like Hitler's emotional support animal. Like when Hitler's like in
the early days of the Nazi Party, Hitler probably kills
himself without Hess there Um very important guy. Now. Blovotsky

(51:01):
herself obviously was not a Nazi. She could she dies
in e nine one, right, she's there's no way she
even could have been. Yeah, but her ideas run through
Nazi history. Alfred Rosenberg's book book The Myth of the
Twentieth Century, which he publishes in nineteen thirty, is the
second best selling book in Nazi Germany under Mine comp Right,
That's what I mean when I say this guy's like
the number two ideal logue of the Nazis, and his

(51:22):
whole book is a plagiarism of the secret doctrine. Like
he's basically taken the secret doctrine and doing what Blovotsky
did with the Coming Race. He opens the book by
restating the myth of a Hyperborean Atlantis and assisting that
the existence of a quote prehistoric Nordic cultural center was
the basis of all Nazi race science. Edelstein calls this
belief in an Aryan Atlantis the quote foundational myth of Nazism.

(51:45):
Blovotsky's ideas about the inevitable progression of races also played
into Nazi theory. This gets forgotten a lot amongst all
the horror, but genocide was only like part of the
Nazi quest to secure a future for the Aryan race.
They were not just trying obviously. One part of this
is we want to kill a whole shipload of people
to stop them from breeding with Arians and you know,
watering down their blood. But like they didn't believe German

(52:07):
people were good enough either, right, They didn't believe that
there were like Arians in the way that there needed
to be. Another huge part of Nazism is creating a
master race through science and breeding, right, um, which is like,
again it's tightened with Bolovotsky's ideas of like we're on
the fifth race, but we're becoming the sixth race and like,
you know, we can we are creating this like new
race that can be like a new kind of master race.

(52:29):
But it's going to take you know, in her mind
it was more like a thing of spiritual kind of progression.
But yeah, but yeah, I mean it doesn't matter whether
Hitler was at the host office or not. Like, there's
no just from the handful of paragraphs you've read, it's
extremely obvious why it would be an influential text for Nazis,
because it's just confirms stuff that they already believe. Yeah, exactly.

(52:49):
I mean it also more than that, it like the
things they believe, right, like because this has not been
people have been racist and had been anti Semitic and stuff,
but like this specific stuff, the Aryan ship that was
not in the fucking in anybody's radar until hello blovotsky Um,
I'm gonna quote again. This is about like how she
influences their quest to build a master race. Indeed, the

(53:12):
horrors of the Holocaust may lead us to overlook the
fact that the extermination of the Jews was part of
a vaster racial project whose ultimate goal was the creation
of a new superior race. The other half of the
Nazi racial fantasy expressed itself with particular cruelty and the
eugenic experiments performed in s S laboratories, but was also
elevant and the highest evidence than the highest level of
the Nazi party. Certain s S officers apparently mutilated themselves

(53:34):
in order to achieve biological transfiguration, which is cool. Oh,
thank you for adding that at the end, because I
was it's it's good. Yeah, it's it's yeah. I mean
you're yeah, when you've when you hear that someone has
written down we are on the fifth of seven races. Uh,
you know that's headed towards you genics. There's just simply

(53:54):
no doubt about it. Um and phrenology and you know
God does what else? Yep um? Now, well, nightmare okay today.
Of course, Blovotsky's rants about the progression of races, the
conflict between Aryan and Semitic people's and real are primarily
the purview of the weirdest chunks of the right wing.
Fascism has by enlarged moved beyond this stuff. Right. There

(54:16):
are some weird rill Nazis out there. One of them
has a I think it's on YouTube. I don't know.
He has he dresses like a robot. It's weird, um
one of but her influence is still deeply felt in
the New Age and occult communities, and as a result,
aspects of her theology are still making it into new
fascist movements today. The Akashak Records are supposedly in a
theoric library that contains records of everything that ever has

(54:39):
and ever will happen. Right library, it's space Wikipedia that
could whom he uses to do plagiarism. Now that she
gets Blovotsky gets the name the Akashak Records because she
doesn't speak Sanskrit well, and in Sanskrit, the word akasha
means space facilitating sound kind of right. There's not a
direct translation, but that's basically what it means. Blovotsky doesn't

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speak good Sanskrit and mistakenly believed it meant life principle,
so she described the Akashak record as quote, indestructible tablets
of astral life or of astral light, a cosmic like
wax stamps. Basically, yeah, affinity library. It's it's okay. First
of all, my just wiped out so hard um excellent.
There was a medium I spoke with in Canzadega who

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brought up the akash records like as a term, and
I was like, what does that mean? I've never heard
of that, and um, they could not tell me. So
it's interesting, Like it's like still a term that floats around,
but it's more used to describe like theory and philosophy.
They're like, well, yeah, all theory. It's just like a

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theory or philosophy. And with diffusionism, right, because for one thing,
what you say with the Akashak records is there's a
single source of truth, right. But the other thing it
does if you're a con person or just like you
don't like being questioned too much and your beliefs, you
can say that like, well I know this is true
because I channeled this from the Akashak records and it's
like written in some space encyclopedia or whatever. Um right, right,

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which is like it's yeah, definitely a concept that has
been increasingly vague ified. That's why she invents it because
it makes it easier to con people. But over the
it's been more than a century now, the idea has
mutated consistently. This segment from an article by Matthew Rinsky
of conspirituality. Uh does a good job of summarizing where
we are now. The amount of information now stored with

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in computer memory and crossing the Internet highway daily is
literally unfathomable, rights Kevin Tadeshi and Edgar Case on the
Akashak records, and yet this vast complex of computer systems
and collective databases cannot begin to come close to the power,
the memory or the omniscient recording capacity of the Akashak records.
Hindu's nationalist spiritual influencer Seguru agrees equating the records to

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the Internet. It's all there, he told a gathering in
two thousand ten. Whatever you want, you can access it.
It is all their right. And ow Goop's resident Akashak
reader is Ashley Wood, who dubs the intuitive process a
Google search for the soul and teaches a line activation
meditation that promises to illuminate the fiber optic connection between
the body and the pleiades, where she says the Acoshak

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records are stored. From there, the believer can learn to
access the records through a simple banal incantation called the
Pathway prayer. No special training required in anti vax COVID
denialism circles. The Akashak records are now being consulted for
a advice on how to dispel mental programming and negative
agendas promoting the gene therapy of the COVID vaccine. This

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life coach and medical hypnotherapist suggests in the following sermon
that connecting with the profound truths of the Acoshak records
can provide a soothing long view perspective on the medical
apartheid of public health COVID protections. She says the records
have put her in touch with angels Jesus and Mother Mary,
and she can teach you how to connect this way
as well. Well. Isn't that so? I mean, based on that, it,

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like the Acoshatrick records truly is whatever un eat it
to mean to reinforce your ideology. So it can be
something as simple as like, I'm a girl boss that
wants you to pay me three hundred dollars to spew
some random shit at you to this is why we're
anti vax and Jesus agrees, yeah, exactly, And it's like
it's kind of like, for as much of a selfish

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person issue was the solid that Blovotsky does for the
rest of the occult movement is like, oh, here's this
thing everyone can use forever to justify whatever bullshit you're
trying to cash in on, right, I mean, because you
can be coming from I mean it sounds like you
can be coming from literally any advantage point politically, and
you leverage this to your advantage because well, then that's

(58:40):
like what happens all the time. It's like, oh, I've
I'm channeling this spirit like the the way that my
favorite way that this was like leveraged at like the
height of eight spiritualism would be like the Fox sisters
would channel um like dead senators who ad voted to

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uphold slavery and would channel them and say I changed
my mind. I was wrong. I shouldn't have said that.
And so it can be like this theology could be
used it like all these different ways, but some of
them are like so ah, that's disturbing, but also it's
not surprising. It's too vague concept to to not be
used for evil. And also you know, well, Robert, I'm

(59:24):
you know, I feel like this is how every well
I'm upset. Good, I'm glad you're upset. That's all. That's
all I ever want is to make you upset. That's
why we do stuff. Yeah, we want you upset and
to you know, plug your plugables right here. Upset and plugging.
That's the way to live. Um. Well, you can listen
to my new limited series, Ghost Church. It's on Cool

(59:45):
Zone Media. Ever heard of it? Um, it's a history
of American spiritualism. Yeah, I thought you guys. I mean,
I think you guys would like some of the content
they're putting out, you know, good ship, exciting. Advertisers are
kind of all over the place. Yes, it's pretty cool.
And once again issues with that and I right okay
on Twitter, Yeah, hit Sophie Lichtman up at whatever Sophie

(01:00:09):
Lichtman's Twitter is. I don't remember how you write your
trust trust me they are Yeah, I know, don't worry
about it. Uh, listen to Ghost Church. Follow me on
Instagram and Twitter if you're so inclined. But I'm really
just talking about Minions over there right now, because I
need to find my inner piece who's got a whole

(01:00:31):
fucking room in the Akashic Records. The Minions and you
know what, I'm going to announce this now, Jamie We've
been planning to wait a little bit. If you want
to win, an original song sung by me and Jamie
Loft is about the subject of your choosing get a
full face tattoo of a menu a minion on your
own face. That's all it takes. If you do that,
we'll write you a song. Absolutely. And look, I'm not

(01:00:54):
gonna be picky about the minion that you get full
tattooed on your face any man, any minion the one
I had been, And that complicates things. What would the
general vibe of the face? Um, I would recommend going
with Kevin. I feel like I have the face shape
for Kevin, but that's just me. If you need guidance
on like what minion full face tattoo is best for
your face shape, I'm happy to consult. Yeah, Jamie will

(01:01:15):
condle for you. I will tell you right now that
the song we write is just going to be American Pie,
but we'll change the lyrics. But look, yeah, and it's
not going to age well. It will not age well,
really will it will. It will get us canceled in
like three months. Yeah, yeah, because you won't quite know
what we're talking about. But then three months are gonna

(01:01:37):
be like, what the fun Oh no, absolutely not, yeah yeah,
and so forth, and on that note, Bye go