Part Four: Napoleon III: The Worst Bonaparte

Robert is joined by Matt Lieb for the final part of series on  Napoleon III.

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a decale on somebody's car that says messy buns and
loaded guns and then it's a picture of the American

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flag and then and then says raising lions not sheep. Yeah,
that's a that's a that's a person who was threatened
to murder a barista. That is the first city who
was pulled a firearm on a Starbucks with my friends here, beautiful.

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That's a person who is unlawfully detained black people for
riding a bike and asked them whose bike is that? Yeah?
That that is a person who has pulled a glock
on a FedEx driver who was not as white as they, uh,
speaking of which you know, who would have definitely pulled
a clock on a FedEx driver. Poleon the Third actually

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probably not, that was not super a problem that he
had um, but he had a shot one in the mouth.
He would have showered in the mouth, I'll tell you
that much. This guy. One thing about this Napoleon guy
loves the mouth shooting, real mouth shooter. Napoleon the third
straight we can my favorite meme again, the shaking hands

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meme with Napoleon the Third and suburban Americans shooting people
who absolutely shouldn't be shot, shooting innocent people in the
mouth in a panic and a panic. Yeah, yes, there's
there's another hand holding. It's a third one. It's just
the cops. Yeah. We can have a lot of debates

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about gun control, but Napoleon the Third is definitely a
man whose gun needed more controlled, a little bit more. Bonapartes.
He has a right to bear arms, but not a
tear mouths. That's right, that's right. Anyway, Yeah, you're doing good.
So anyway, Uh, Napoleon the third um. In the space

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of about a decade, the first ten years or so
he's in power, Napoleon the Third takes France from being
one of the sick men of Europe it was seen
as kind of an ailing power like the ottomans Uh
and a pariah, and turns it into what is probably
the dominant political and military force on the European continent.
Right after the Crimean War. He's got sort of what's
seen is like the largest, most cohesive and effective ground army.

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He's expanded like like over the course of the first
like decade and change of his reign, he doubles the
population of France by because he's conquered all of Indo China,
He's conquered effectively now parts of Algeria, Western Africa. Like
he he had something like like millions of people to
French dominion. I thought people just like the new Empire

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so much that they were they were just fucking making
a lot more babies. Yeah, you know, Managa, way more
than for this guy, because Louis Napoleon horny motherfucker Napoleon
the TI. But first I did want to talk a
little bit about a fun fact I found about him,

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about how he used his new found wealth and prestige
to laun his position over everyone else. Right, and that's
normal for emperors. You know that you wouldn't be an
emperor if you weren't going to do some of that.
But due to a quirk of metallurgy and history, he
wound up doing this in a very funny way. When
the emperor would host other world leaders for lavish balls
and high society events, he would have his servants bring
out gold plate at dinnerware for them, right, you know.

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And this was not to honor them. This was specifically
to contrast them too from him, because he had a
much nicer set of dinner ware, and all of his
plates and bowls and cups and spoons were made from
what was at the time one of the most valuable
materials on earth. Aluminum. Yeah, with it out is aluminum cups.

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Enjoy your gold poppers. Yeah, I'm just gonna crack open
this cold beer, this cold beer of precious aluminum. Watch
me crash it. I'm gonna crunch it right on my head,
shotgunning mead. So, the general public didn't start to become
aware of aluminium till the end of the eighteen hundreds. Um.
The metal exists all throughout the earth, right, It's been

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around forever, We've been using it forever. But due to
realities of geology, this silver from clay, as it was called,
was generally mixed up with other ship and we just
didn't have the ability to like separate it and gather
it in significant quantity. For an example of how valuable
aluminium was, during the reign of Louis Napoleon, the United
States put a six pound aluminum cap on the top

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of the Washington Monument and this was like a big
flex This was the US being like, yeah, motherfucker's we
had six pounds of aluminum, bitches, would you got you
got nothing? It was, We're gonna wrap this whole thing
and foil It was the largest piece of the metal
ever used at that time. Most Napoleon actually granted a

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scientist named Henri de Ville a massive public subsidy to
study how to gather larger quantities of aluminum. He ordered
military standards to be made from aluminum poles for his
troops to carry, because he was so enchanted by the
site of aluminum. None of this worked very well, but
that hardly mattered the Royal family wore aluminum jewelry. Um
Lewis's son had a baby rattle made of aluminum. It

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was a wild time for what is today the most
boring metal on earth. They've got like he's giving us,
He's given us relatives like aluminum rings, throwing their gold
in the trash. This ship, it's got an aluminium aluminum
allum aluminium carriage that just keeps folding. God damn it.
Can we make this stronger? Napoleon the third was also

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notorious for his his can we say oxmanship, his coxsmanship? Um, yeah,
he is. He's a he's a he's a he's a
he's a funk guy. You know, he's a fun guy.
He's a funk guy. Now, his wife, who he married
shortly after taking power and is pretty controversial herself and sucks,
is the Impress Eugenie. Um. She is a huge prude.

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Some biographers right that she hated sex. Um. So this
is going to be particularly a problem because Louis Napoleon
really likes sex. Another thing he does the way he
threads this needle is by cheating on her constantly. Yeah
that makes sense, Yeah, yeah, it makes see where this
is going. You know, that's what he's gonna do so
because things aren't working out great for Eugenie. Um and

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because after a while this is not there's no romance
in their relationship, Louis Napoleon has to increasingly go further
afield in search of love. And this is where we
get the story of the Countess of Castiglion born Virginia
Elizabetta Luisa Carlotta Antonietta Teresa Maria Oldoini. Which is nobody
needs a name that long, you know, three in mambo

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number five exactly, Yeah, this bitch is her own Mamo
number five. Her parents were Tuscan nobles who saw the
fact that she's hot as hell, right, Um, So they
decide that since she's so gorgeous, they're going to solve like,
this is a problem. Right, you don't really want to

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have a daughter who's like famously beautiful when you're high society,
because like she's gonna get up to some stuff. So
the only thing her parents are just like, we gotta
get we gotta deal with this hot daughter problem. We
gotta marry her off as soon as we can. Um.
And so they hit her off at age seventeen to
a nine year old. Um. This is not a happy union.
They have actually a famously disastrous marriage, and she basically

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leaves him immediately to move to Paris and become the
mistress of the Emperor of France. This leads to a
lot of drama, particularly when she wore a dress covered
in hearts with no corset. She's famous for this just
just just let them let him, like but letting it
hang um while. And she she goes like shows up
at this fancy ball in this heartcover dress with no corset. Well,

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she's on Lewis Napoleon's arm and Empress Eugenie is there.
She's like sitting in the ballroom as the emperor comes
in with his chick on his arm, which is like,
you know, people expect an emperor to sleep around, but
that's still kind of like a little bit. She's not
wearing a corset. She's breathing normal. She's breathing normal, not weason. Yeah,

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Everyone's like this is yeah, So we don't know why
the two stopped dating, which happened in around eighteen sixty,
but they did break up suddenly. Now all of this
is mostly interesting because the Countess is widely considered to
be the first supermodel due to her habit of taking
and publicizing lurid photos of herself, often wearing things that

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were like considered pornographic in the day, so she would
put out pictures of herself and sandals visible. Yeah, she's
showing off them toes little and she's she's got this
access to photographers in part because she's dating the emperor,
and as a result, if you look at the way
she's posing, she kind of invents the selfie, like this
is the She's the first person who has the ability

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to do this, to like dress up in the morning
and be like, I look cute, I'm gonna take a picture,
I'm gonna send it out to everybody, right like she
she she has turned the world media into Instagram. She
invented the duck face. Yeah, yeah, she kind of figured
all that out. So that's fun. Anyway, it's probably time
to stop talking about court life and get back to
everybody's favorite topic. Blood drenched imperialism. Yea, oh god, isn't

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it good? You just like to rub it all up
into yourself, get it all in your crevice. Is nice,
warm blanket of blood. Yeah, the bloodiest crevice in the
French Empire at this point in time, is Algeria. Now
in March of eighteen sixty four, again, in like eighteen
fifty eight, they had quote unquote pacified it. Right in
March of eighteen sixty four, tribesmen in the mountains of

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pacified Algeria launched yet another insurrection. Napoleon a third was
forced to send twenty more soldiers to the colony, just
as he was planning to take his first royal trip
there to embark on a new phase of investments in
the area. All of this came at a bad time.
His brother in law, a valued adviser, had just died,
and at age fifty seven, Louis Napoleon is himself in

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pretty poor shape. Um, I'm gonna give you a little
list of all the different ailments. This man has rheumatism, gout, hemorrhoids,
a terrible cough from decades of smoking, and a heart condition.
So he's just falling the funk apart. But he decides still,
I'm gonna go to fucking Algeria and I'm going to
fix things up personally. And this troubled imperial possession that

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you know, my predecessors took on. Now, one of the
things that's interesting about him he's a liberal, right, he's
a monarchist, but he's a liberal, and as a liberal,
he doesn't think that like he's not. He doesn't talk
about France's imperial possession the way that like you get
a lot of British Empire guys talking about. Um. He

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talks about like he he talks about from this position
of like we're going to you know, I want this
to be an Arab nation and we just want to
help them, you know, like we're here, We're here to
like fix things up for them. We're not trying to
take money out of them, and we're not trying to
We're just trying to make them a little bit better
so they can stand on their own. We're just trying
to spread democracy. Yeah, exactly, He's trying to spread democracy

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in the Middle East. Um. Now, I want to read
a quote from the Shadow Emperor that kind of makes
it clear the way in which he saw himself here.
The Turks had governed Algeria as a province of the
Ottoman Empire until eighteen thirty and had done nothing for them,
according to Louis Napoleon's Lights. Apart from collecting taxes, the
Turks had let them run their own lives, leaving traditional
tribal affairs and customs unchanged. They had not encouraged them

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to abandon tribal tribal life, acquire private property, or try
to produce agricultural surplus beyond their own tribal needs for
overseas sales. All of this was wrong in the eyes
of Louis Napoleon Bonaparte. The Algerians needed guidance and entering
the modern world European civilization, everything had to change, but
it must be done patiently and respectfully. You must be
given equal rights, the same rights as the French population.

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Such an idea, of course, had never even occurred to
the most enlightened Algerian Tribal councils popularly elected and chosen
throughout the centuries, should now be disbanded, and along with
them tribal chiefs, dismantled the tribe and its administration, and
become like France, he insisted. And yet Louis Napoleon specifically
forbade the creation of cantonments or reservations. His knowledge of

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the whole scale popular transportation and relocation of the American Indians,
he said, had cautioned him enough to not repeat that experiment,
and that's part I find that really interesting. Um, this
is part of what that's what he learned from us. Yeah,
don't don't do reservations now, absolutely end their way of
life and destroy their cultures so they can participate in

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specifically so that they can participate in global capitalism. You know.
The problem is and again he sees this as like
the Ottomans being foolish. Now, the Ottomans knew how to
run an empire, which is that like, yeah, all we
needed out of Algeria was Algiers as a training area,
and we don't really care what other people do as
long as they don't funk with trade and you know
what's easy just letting them lift their lives. Yeah, yeah,

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we just collect a little bit of tax and fucking
move on. This goes reasonably well for the Ottomans, um,
but it's like it's going to be this fucking nightmare
for France. And it all comes out of this idea
that like, well, their their culture is a failure because
they're not part of the global capitalist system. They're not
producing a surplus to sell. Now, the Algerians would say,

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because we have enough food, Yeah, yeah, we don't. We
don't we don't really need this. What do we want
money for? We've got our own thing going on. We're okay,
we don't need money. We're doing what I can buy stuff.
What are you talking about? What? What do I need
global capitalism for? When there's a market right down the street.
I have grown animal skins and all the all the
things that I need, you know. Um, Napoleon the third

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is like horrified by this and the fact that he
the fact that he like while he's trying to figure
out how do I dismantle and destroy this tribal structure,
the fact that he won't do reservations is part of
a fun trend in European history in the late eighteen hundreds.
We talked about this a little bit at the start
of this series. Um, you know of Behind the Bastards
when we did Karl May, who is this German author

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who wrote cowboy books that Hitler just loved. But there's
this trend in in European culture in the late eighteen
hundreds where indigenous Americans are glorified and idolized in European
popular society, particularly in fiction. And there are a number
of reasons for this. Some of it is just that like, yeah, man,
it's it's a real bad genocide that that was fucked up.

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What was done, um, and what it was, you know,
it is still being done into that objectively tragic figures
exam objectively a tragic thing that happened. But a lot
of it also is that there's this growing anti American sentiment. Right.
Some of it's because of you know, the United States
doing Manifest Destiny ship, but a lot of it's also
just like you know, they're they're new on the scene,
and they're kind of like gross upstarts, right, So there's

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that asked act of it, and they to avoid like
all of the the hundreds of years of European conflicts,
you know, they get to just be over there. Yeah. Um.
And it's interesting because they while they there's this aspect
of kind of idolization of Indigenous Americans, it doesn't come
with any real respect for their cultures, and in fact
is often based entirely on fantasy presentations of these cultures.

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And it brings us back to Napoleon the Third Louis.
Napoleon was adamant that he wanted the Algerians to rule themselves,
and he would claim that his administration was simply a
way to help raise them up to a point where
they could exist as a modern nation. But in practice
this was an incredibly bloody process. See, people don't like
having their way of life demolished by strangers at gunpoint.

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So early in eighteen sixty four, a tribal chief massacred
four dozen French soldiers, and the Emperor's men responded by
burning villages and rendering a huge junk of the ore
in province uninhabitable. Right, this is this is the process
of bringing them democracy. They killed some of our armed
men trying to destroy their try and so we must
burn villages. Hey, the tree of liberty has gotta be,

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you know, watered by blood YadA, YadA, by the blood
of the people you're freeing, Yes, exactly. In his writings
on the Colony, Louis sketched out grand dreams of democratic
rights and institutions for Algerians patterned off the French system.
And a lot of this has to do with like,
I want this, you know, enlightened electorate, and I want
this education system all this. But but most Algerians couldn't

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read or write, right, um, because that's just not a
part of their lives. A lot of their culture has
passed on in an oral tradition, all that stuff. Um.
And as it happens, the system they already lived under
was super democratic. It was in fact more democratic than
either France or the United States at the time. Tribal councils.
All of each of these different tribes was kind of

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governed by tribal councils that were made up of adult
men who reached consensus on major decisions. Um. This was
a stateless system. These are not nations, and it's you know,
not to say that it wasn't like again, it's all men,
but so is the United States actorate. So it is
the French electorate at this point. It's not like anybody's
good on that stuff. And it's it is consensus driven
rather than like we have these elections in one party

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takes power. It's these councils representing all of the families
and the tribe figure out what to do and vote
kind of select representatives of the oldest, wisest men in
order to help make calls about things like you know,
when we go to fight against another tribe, or like
if if somebody encroaches on our grazing lands, or what
to do if there's a drought, is Robert, they're not
wearing wigs. Yeah, they're not wearing wigs while they do it.

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It's not democratic, Like, I don't see how this is.
This seems worse because like, how are you going to
make democratic decisions without like old real fucking big gass
whigs exactly huge and weird, fucking massive wigs. This is
a again one of the things I find this interesting
because this is a stateless system, and it was one

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that for a long time Algerians had been relatively peaceful
and avoided starving. Right the system like this, you can
you can call these things like primitive if you want,
like and people that the fucking French should do. But
like this works for a lot of people for a
very long time and a pretty tough part of the
world geographically, Algeria is a complicated place to stay alive

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in um it works pretty well, uh, and by all accounts,
life was relatively decent there before the French took over.
Napoleon's attempts to impose a different way on life, and
the people who had never seen themselves as part of
the same entity was always destined for failure. They didn't
see themselves as Algerians because they weren't. They were just
like some tribes living in an area they just get

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someone just gave them labels, and they were just like, no,
that's not I think this is another area where like
the things he'd been reading about Native Americans had colored
his opinion because he saw the Algerians as a race
in decline, which is definitely how the Europeans looked at
Indigenous Americans, even though there was no evidence that they've
been in any kind of trouble under the Ottomans, right, Um,

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they were not like having serious problems. It was again,
you know, this is not a perfect I'm not trying
to paint this as like a fucking paradise, but like
there was no evidence that they were having any particular
kind of issues. Um, but Napoleon's gonna fix all that.
He's gonna give them some serious goddamn problems and we're
gonna talk about that. But first, Matt, what you know

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what Napoleon would love, um me to use my soundboard
right now? That's right, baby? Sorry, No, what what would
be like? You should get a soundboard from from Bill
and Ted's excellent adventure Stick a Stick Napoleon Bonaparte on
and that shit too late for that. But hey, yeah,

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you just remember one of the classic lines from that movie,
all of which I have forgotten at this point. Yeah,
the guitar sound when they're excited, George, Yeah, that's right.
Think about Keanu Reeves coming and then buy some products.
That's the way it sounds. Baby. We're back and we're

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just thinking about how it sounds when Kiana Reeves comes.
Um like a normal person. Yeah, I think so. I
think one day I'll meet him and I'll ask what
it sounds like, what does it sound like when you come,
Kiana Reeves. I'm sure he'd answer. He seems cool. I'm
sure he would have an answer. I'm not sure he'd
appreciate that specific question appreciate it, but he would have

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something for it. So Napoleon the Third's whole goal is
to take the Algerian people out of the place they
had been living, out of the their ancestral homelands, to
pub make so basically no one owned land in Algeria, right,
You had like, these is our hunting ground, this is
where we graze our sheep, and if a tribe comes in,
maybe there will be a conflict over it, but it
was not nobody. People didn't have like yeah, yeah. He

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basically is going to, over the course of his time
in power, take away all of the lands owned by
tribes because there's initially this sense of like, well, what
if we give the tribes some land and some of
it becomes frances He's going to get rid of all
of that over time because his goal is to force
all of these people who are again perfectly happy being
living in the fucking hills and mountains and whatnot of

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Algeria um and force them to move into modern cities
with wide French style boulevards, electric power, and parliamentary democracy.
Now that will work out. It doesn't. There's a fucking insurrection,
and the first thing Napoleon does when this insurrection happens
is he appoints a new leader, and a non military leader,
because he's like, well, maybe they kill those soldiers because

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the military is being too aggressive. You know what I'll do.
I'm gonna put my best guy in charge of things.
You know who that's gonna be, Greg Napoleon. Yeah, old
Prince Jerome, the guy who had fucking fled the field
in crimea old. It's Jeri Nipoli po. So he puts

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gutless Bonaparte in charge, replacing the old military leader of
the colony. And again the military their solution to problems
was massacring villages. So I'm not saying like he should
have let those guys stay in power. But but Prince
Jerome is like a high society liberal, and he brings
with him to Algiers a coterie of Parisian high society liberals. Um,

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and he's going to attempt to democratize Algeria. And I'm
gonna read again from the Shadow Whimper here quote the
Brooding Plan. Plan that's his his other nickname. Personally knew
nothing about Algeria, its history, or its people, and had
no plans to learn by touring the country or indeed
even to leaving the capital of Algiers. He was only
interested in introducing his personal theoretical liberal reforms. But when,

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for instance, on February eighteen fifty nine, he announced from France,
where he had returned in December of eighteen fifty eight,
but the natives would be free to sell or acquire land,
including tribal land, all sides were up in arms. Strictly
defined lands could no longer easily be confiscated by the state.
The result the tribes would eventually break up, disintegrate, and disappear,
as the totality of their tribes literally constituted Algeria. This

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meant the entire social structure protecting the members of each
tribeould no longer exist, resulting in a veritable das for
a tribesmen. And today one of the big social problems
France has is that there's this constant wave of people
fleeing Algeria, which has caused a lot of particularly racist
in France. Racist in France had a lot of issues
with that. This is where that all starts, right, This
is like why they come over to France because the

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French emperor destroys the entire social structure exactly, and suddenly
people have like no where to be. Yeah, it turns
out that's a bad idea. I just wanted them wear
wigs and have papers that say this my house. That's all. Yeah,
And then they came to France and all of the
racists were angry about it for forever um. So when

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this uprising starts in eighteen sixty four, it's clear that
plant plant has failed. And when he visits Algeria. The
emperor brings with him an authoritarian regime to replace plan
plants liberal one which was going to use terrible force
to bring peace. He appoints a military officer, Patrice Diy McMahon,
who goes on a spree of massacres. Despite this, Algeria's
vast size and diffuse population proved difficult to control. The population.

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Migrations caused by land reform policies and waves of refugees
from the fighting ran up against a horrible drought that
hit in eighteen sixty seven and eighteen sixty eight, devastating
local agriculture. Next came a series of earthquakes and then
cholera and typhoid epidemics. These disasters had all occurred in
the past and had been handled by Algerians through mutual aid. Right,

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These tribes had ways of This is the same thing
you see in India when the East India Company takes
over destroy all these different trading agreements within villages. Because
people had always dealt with like bad times, and when
one village doesn't produce enough food, other villages didn't tend
to let them starve to death. Tribes and Alderia work
the same way, right, we take care of each other
when things are really bad, because that's just better for everybody.

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Napoleon the Third has destroyed all of these structures that
used to protect people, that used to allow folks to
deal with this kind of ship, in addition to killing
a shipload of them. So the chaos of the upheaval
of Napoleon meant that there was nothing in place to
protect these people. More than three hundred thousand Algerians die
in a four year period. This is from disease, along
with three d and fifty thousand who are killed by

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the military and an ethnic cleansing. This amounts to one
third of the Algerian population pre lowis Napoleon ship. Yeah,
this is like pretty bad genocide. Um, so you know
that's uh. If you're wondering why Algeria has had a
rough time of it in the last century or so,

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little history do it. Yeah, might be a little bit
of history. There might might be a super might be
entirely Francis fault right broke the Yeah. Yeah, well now
they are so at around the same time, while all
this is going on in Algeria, Louis Napoleon is fucking

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around in a weirdly similar way in a completely different
part of the world Mexico. Now, as I had said,
he's spent years, most of the early eighteen sixties trying
to convince Maximilian Habsburg to become the emperor of Mexico.
They're talking about this for years now. Maximilian is an
interesting dude. Again. He's the younger brother to Franz Joseph,

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the Emperor of Austria Hungary, who Lewis had recently bested
in a war, and max had kind of a fraud
relationship with his brother. They were close as kids, but
as they get older, his brother thinks that he's gunning
for the throne and so keeps trying to foist him
off on these do nothing jobs. Maximilian is kind of
running Austrian Italy for a while before he gets overthrown

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basically um, and he's when he's kind of running Austrian
he's trying to be like this liberal right where he's like, well,
maybe they'll like being ruled Austria if if I introduced
reforms and like that never works because people don't like
to be ruled anyway. Like, no, but you can have
some speech, yeah, not against the Austrian. Yeah, anyway, it

(29:17):
doesn't work great. Uh he gets run out of town
on the fucking rails and yeah, Louis, uh you know,
he's he's got this. His older brother kind of wants
him away. And so the fact, the idea, like the
Franz Joseph, actually winds up backing Napoleon's plan to make
him the Emperor of Mexico for a while because sign
him across and well, in part because he can make

(29:38):
him sign a contract saying I give up my right
to inherit the Habsburg throne because you can't, you know,
be the king of the Emperor of Mexico and be
the emperor you know, in line for the Empire of
Austria Hungary. Arbitrary rules are arbitrary rules. Yeah. And Maximilian
is a very similar kind of guy to plan Plan.
He's this idealistic, night eve, arrogant liberal who wants to

(30:03):
reform things and be seen as a reformer, but also
wants to be the guy running things and wants it
all to be done his way. Um, and he does.
He wants to reform Mexican society in what you might
call vaguely center left directions. Um, and doing this means, though,
defeating the already pretty for the time left wing legitimate
government of Mexico, which is a republic currently governed by

(30:25):
the elected leader who was an indigenous Mexican man named
Benito Warez. Like he said, he's got indigenous ancestry, and
he's Warez is a fascinating, fascinating man, a tough son
of a bitch. Cool asked dude. He had been elected
president after finishing a vicious civil war, um beating the Conservatives,

(30:47):
who sought an autocratic, dictatorial form of government different from
war as his republic. So Maximilian, he wants kind of
a broadly similar social structure to what the Mexican Republicans
are pushing. He just wants to run it. Which is
when it's not like he's it's not like Mexico would
had this like horrible dictatorship. They had just fought a
war and a republic had been elected kind of along
the lines that Maximilian thought was good. He just wanted

(31:09):
to kill them and do it himself. Yeah yeah, He's like, Okay,
but what you guys got this Mexican doing the job.
This is the problem they come taking our look at
my chin it's funny. This guy, this guy isn't even
in bread. What the fuck? People will make a Hapsburg

(31:30):
chin jokes at Edward Habsburg on Twitter and will always
respond by, like, get another joke, guys. It's like, well,
that's the joke. Because your family ruled the world while
like constantly fucking each other and producing kids who like,
didn't like, couldn't functionally rule the countries they were born
to inherit, and it lent the millions of deaths, millions
and millions of deaths. That's the joke, Edward. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(31:54):
that's that's what makes it funny. That's what another joke
about my genoidal, fucking bloodline. Fucking Habsburg's. God, you are
never wrong in ship talking a Hapsburg always always go
after Hapsburg's. So you know, you know who learned that lesson? Well, Gaffrolo,

(32:17):
princep O. God, we love we love a Hapsburg dropping king. Um,
we we love a good dead Fralls joke. Yeah, good stuff.
So um. Anyway, Maximilian he has all these political theories

(32:40):
that he wants to test out. He's thinking about, if
you like again and I really do the book The
Last Emperor of Mexico by Edward Shawk Cross fucking good book,
incredibly readable. I had I finished it in just a
couple of days because I couldn't put the thing down.
Really really well written book. Um. It's one of the
points that he makes is that, or at least the
way in which I inter britten Maximilian as being based

(33:01):
on the way he portrays him in the book, is
a guy who has all these little fun theories about
how he might want to run a country, and he
almost approaches being the Emperor of Mexico is like playing
a game of civilization. He's excited to try a new
thing out in his game. Um, but he does. He
makes a He draws a hard line with Louis Napoleon,
which is that he won't agree to go to Mexico

(33:22):
and try to be the emperor unless the Mexican people
themselves acclaim their desire to be governed by him. Now,
this was never going to happen. From one thing, Mexico
is very large and most of the people living there
have absolutely no connection to like centralized Yeah, exactly, Like
go to somebody in the fucking Chihuahbo and be like, hey,
do you want a Hapsburg emper? Like dude, what the

(33:45):
funk man? I like, I got stuff going on? Um,
what are you talking about there? The idea that these
guys would be able to rule a land mask based
on borders that they just kind of invented is it's great,
To be honest, It's never worked out well for the
Mexican government. Someone has ever been good at governing Mexico.

(34:09):
No one can figure it out. Yeah. Um, So basically
what happens is that Napoleon the Third works with achadra
of defeated conservative Mexican officers to trick Max into thinking
that his reign is supported, and then he sends a
French army into Mexico to conquer it from the legitimate government. Now,
this first army gets its ass kicked because Benito Airez

(34:30):
pretty good military commander. But also again, the Mexican state
has just finished several civil wars. It's battered. They don't
have a super functional military compared to the French military,
which a lot of people will say is the best
in the world in this period of time, or at
least one of them. So Louis Napoleon sends a much
larger army next, which succeeds in smashing all resistance and

(34:52):
conquering Mexico. But it conquers Mexico the same way the
US conquers Afghanistan. They conquer a bunch of cities leading
to the capital and kind of control the roads, right,
But that's all they have because they only send like
fifty men I think at the height, which is again
Mexico is quite big, yeah, a big place, sizeable, sizable nation.

(35:17):
So they're able to and the French can beat because
they've got a modern army, modern guns. The Mexican military
doesn't really have a lot of that stuff. They can
beat any field army that will raise itself against their
main force, but that main force can only be in
like one area at a time, and they can't with
splitting the army up. Number one, sometimes you're gonna lose
groups of the army, right because you can beat a

(35:38):
hundred French soldiers or something. And then the other problem
is that, like you can't hold anything but the cities
in the roads. Now, they do try to build up
a Mexican army like an imperial army. There's an imperial
Mexican army. It is of debatable competence. Again, think of Afghanistan.
This is actually very similar to fucking Afghanistan um and
it costs very quickly. Skyrocket. Now, Napoleon the Third, basically

(36:02):
his business plan here had been, will conquer Mexico, will
stick this guy on the throne. You know, pretty soon
he'll be able to He'll just take over the Mexican
army and they'll keep the peace, and then France will
get to basically to get its pick of all of
the resources in Mexico, get all that silver. There's a
lot of good ship in Mexico, and it's like this
will be this will work out a couple of years

(36:23):
of costs and then it'll be worth it. He is
as good a businessman as Elon Musk. Yes, that's how
this ship works. Dollars is going to go now everyone
gets a blue check mark. The Mexican people here are Twitter,
and they're about to do what Twitter did when Musk
took over, which is start a massive grassroots rebellion against

(36:44):
the empire. Just has fake accounts saying they're Habsburg. Just
a shipload of Habsburg accounts. Um So, Maximilian enjoys fairly
little popular support. He is handicapped by the fact that,
again he's a liberal so he keeps pushing through these
liberal reforms and announcing these very liberal laws, but his

(37:05):
entire base of support are like ghoulish right wingers. So
the people who he is trusting to back him hate
the way he wants to run the country. And when
he does things that like Benito Uarez's supporters probably would
have liked in a different circumstance, his primary backers desert
him um. And so he has to like crack down

(37:26):
on the people of Mexico in order to like get
their support back, which fuels the rebellion. It's just a
doomed situation. Threading an un Yeah, it's not even a needle.
He's just like sticking a string into a solid nail.
Why wouldn't you go through? Can't get anything through this
fucking needle. This is bullshit. This shouldn't be as hard.

(37:49):
So the fucor he reaches its peak under what becomes
called the Black Decree or Bondo Negro of eighteen sixty five,
and which all captured Republican soldiers are to be executed
without aisle um. Now do you think this lowers the tensions? Yeah?
I think it definitely just completely equalizes that everyone's like oh, man, funk,

(38:10):
I guess we won't do this no more. So what
happens that, what this actually results in is the Republicans
are like, well, then whenever we capture French soldiers and
Mexican imperial soldiers or government officials, we will kill them
without trial. And of course this leads to the slaughter
of thousands and thousands and thousands of people, just nightmarish
blood letting. When max had headed over to take command

(38:30):
of the government, Louis Napoleon had promised him that all
the resources of the French state would be dedicated to
seeing the success of his imperial project. But costs quickly
outstripped what Louis had been willing to pay, and since
the Imperial government didn't control much actual territory, exploiting Mexican
resources for Frenche profit proved impossible. In eighteen sixty six,
all of this came to a head for several reasons. One,

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the US Civil War ended. The reason why Louis Napoleon
had timed sending Maximilian over there was that the US
was fighting a civil war, and he was like, this
will keep occupied for a while, they won't be able
to get involved. His plan was to make a firebreak
for US power. Right while they're busy fighting themselves. I
will establish control over Mexico using Maximilian and then by
the time they finished, this will just be done and

(39:14):
they won't be able to stop it. Um. Now, so
the US Civil War ends, um. And you know, now
the US is no longer distracted. The Union starts sending
weapons across the river to Benito Uarez because we're like, well,
we don't really like this at all, um uh. And
there are constant worries, it's legitimate worried that the Americans
might just invade and attack the French army in Mexico. Um,

(39:38):
which we could have done, and it would have been
the only time US troops centered Mexico for a reason
that wasn't fucked up. Yeah, we almost invaded Mexico for
a good reason. Don't worry. We didn't. We didn't. We
continued our streak of only fucking over Mexico, a proud
and time honored American American fucking with Mexico, stealing land

(40:02):
and destroying entire political structures. This is kind of the
one time in which we were almost nice to Mexico. Man. Uh.
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we're back. So at the same time that his Maximilian's
Mexican Empire is collapsing, ship in Europe starts to go wrong,
with the Prussian otto von Bismarck launching a war against Austria.
Uh Napoleon in a secret meeting with Bismarck, agrees not
to defend Austria's France Joseph, and part of it was like,
so Bismarck is like, hey, man, I gotta go to

(41:14):
war with Austria. You don't really like this guy, you
fought him an a war. Just let me do it once.
I'm gonna take some ship, and you know what, you'll
get some territory. Right. So this territory it's kind of
like on the border of like Italy and France and
all this stuff we'll get. You'll get some of that
you know will work out great for you all. You know,
you just gotta let me deal with him and I'll
give it to you. Like trust me. You know it'll
be good. Trust me. I'm Otto von Bismarck, most trustworthy

(41:36):
man in Europe. So Bismarck, like Napoleon, decides to do
this because number one, I'm gonna get some land out
of it. That'll be good. At number two, this is
gonna be years. Right, Austrian Germany fight at each other.
They're basically equal, you know they'll be They'll be locked
into this brutal it will weaken both of them and
then France will be even stronger. There's no way those

(41:57):
will get done quickly. Seven weeks it is. It is
over almost immediately because what Otto von Bismarck has done
is invent Germany. And if you know one thing about Germany,
pretty good at war, pretty good at war in Western Europe,
like the way ours is baseball. There's is doing war. Yeah,
in Western year once they go east, it gets a

(42:18):
lot messier for them solid and Western Europe. So, as
you said, they basically win this war against Prussia immediately
um and then as soon as they do, Napoleon's like, so,
how about that territory that you guys said I could
get and the fucking Bismark's like, what was that? What
was that all? You didn't I said psych afterwards and

(42:42):
going into this prior to the start of that war
with Austria, the kind of assumption everyone else would have
made is that, like France was the premier land power
in Europe. But part of what Napoleon the Third and
everyone else realized when he when Prussia goes to war
with Austria is that like they got like seven thousand
guys they can call up and they're like, they're pretty
good at this. This is actually a very frightening situation.

(43:05):
I've just realized. And tens of thousands of my best
soldiers are in Mexico. Yeah oops, yes, uh fuck. I
didn't realize that you guys would get like really good
at this. This has all gone terribly for me. So
so he uh, Napoleon, Louis Napoleon is suddenly much less

(43:25):
interested pouring men and resources into Mexico. He begins pressuring
Maximilian to abdicate, but max doesn't want to leave his empire.
He's dedicated to it and the brave men fighting for him.
He's very delusional, is what's actually in Spanish and everything?
Like leave now? I have a castle and everything. Yeahcienda
and Spaniel. Yeah, I don't understand why I have to

(43:47):
leave now? People love me. It is very funny because
he like tries to eat a Mexican meal as soon
as he arrives, and he gets sick because it's too hot, Like, man,
you can't eat fucking chilies. And you think you're going
to be the Emperor of Mexico. My god. Yeah, yeah,

(44:09):
so Louis Napoleon, Yeah, it's about to abandon him. I'm
gonna quote from the Emperor of Mexico, the last Emperor
of Mexico again here. In August, Napoleon the Third tried
to claim the territories that Bismarck had promised, but the
Prussian Chancellor responded with a diplomatic equivalent of laughing in
the French Emperor's faces, pointing out that the Prussian army
was already mobilized. Now it was war, not only on
the other side of the Atlantic that Napoleon the Third

(44:30):
had to worry about now. But across the Rhine, where
Bismarck marshaled the forces of German nationalism behind a militaristic regime,
France was in an was in a state of feverish crisis,
and attacks on Napoleon the third policy towards Prussia were rife.
Even Napoleon the Third's wife, Eugenie, berated him for being
outwitted by Bismarck. The last thing the French emperor wanted
was an unpleasant reminder of another unpopular foreign policy disaster.

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He tried to delay meeting with Carlotta, pleading illness. He
urged her to visit her brother in Brussels first, but
Carlotta had already telegrammed the courts at Brussels in Vienna
informing them that she would not be visiting because of
the refusal to send more volunteers. Ignoring the French empruce excuses,
she proceeded to Paris. So Napoleon the Third has Eugenie
try to stop Carlotta from meeting with him, but she

(45:12):
will not be dissuaded, and she eventually gets her audience
with Napoleon the third, and she's been over in Mexico
for a while, and while she's been over, things have
gone a lot worse for him, and he's gotten sick
and old. So she she sees this guy that all
of her and her husband's hopes layon continued French support.
They cannot hold onto their empire without France. She suddenly

(45:32):
realizes that he's he's fucked like he's he's old and broken,
and she loses her mind. She spends like the rest
of her husband's reigned, locked into castle and completely out
of her mind. Um. She had been so invested in
the idea of being the Empress um and as soon
as it becomes clear weird doomed, she just she can't
function anymore. It's very funny like her and fuck him um. Maximilian, meanwhile,

(45:58):
being equally deranged, tries to continue the fight as French
troops began to withdraw. And I will give him credit
for this. Unlike plant Plant, he kind of ends on
a courageous note. Like. He leads his army into a
disastrous battle where they're under siege in this city for weeks. Um.
They win a couple of like battles where they like
push out against the Mexican army and he like stays
there until the bitter end in this really nasty situation.

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So there's a degree of at least physical courage he
has while still being completely deranged. Um, he gets captured
and executed. They fucking shoot his ass, they firing squad,
and they Benito Warez again. The whole world, all of
the governments of the world start like begging. Mexico starts
sending people to Benito Ware's saying, please, don't kill him.
Don't kill him. He's a habsburg. You know. The American

(46:43):
presidents like, guy, don't do this, don't do this. But
Benito Warez, being Radish ship is like, look, man, he
was the emperor, he passed the Black Decree. All captured
soldiers get executed. I'm not going to hold him do
a different standard than the tens of thousands of men
he had killed. Like fuck him. The NATO RS kind
of sick um, the goat um. Maximilian died cursing Napoleon

(47:09):
the Third for failing to come to his aid. Very funny.
The second French intervention in Mexico lasted five and a
half years and caused as many as seventy thousand deaths,
all of which happened at the instigation of Napoleon the Third.
So by eighteen seventy Louis Napoleon is a sick man
and steep decline. France is still powerful and in fact

(47:30):
wealthier than ever, but it's military is geared towards the
kind of colonial wars they've been fighting in Mexico. Think
about how the US military specialized for Iraq and Afghanistan.
It's it's a small, professional force capable of besting insurgents
and holding cities. The problem was Russia. Prussia had focused
on becoming a land power with a massive base. Of
the French military. On paper, they can maybe get four

(47:53):
thousand troops together, and that's gonna be hard for them.
It's gonna take them some time to get everybody. Like
in the same place, the Prussian military can in the
space like a week or two, have seven hundred thousand
men armed in marching like they are very very good
at this. Figure it out, this war thing. They figured
out this war thing, and otto On Bismarck makes it

(48:13):
his goals during the late eighteen sixties, I'm want to
have a war with France. Number one, we lost a
couple against Napoleon and that still rankles us. And number two,
I want some of this territory that's like currently France,
but that's right on the edge of Germany. I want
to take that ship and I'm gonna make a Germany.
So Bismarck starts jinking and pushing to like make it

(48:34):
kind of find a way in which to justify having
a war with He needs a pretext. He needs a pretext,
and specifically he wants France to start the war. Right,
that's the thing that he wants most. So In eighteen
sixty seven, the same year Maximilian gets shot to death
in Mexico, Prussia forms the North German Confederation, the immediate

(48:54):
precursor to the nation of Germany. Now everything comes to
a head over the question of who will be the
next King of Spain. For a brief period of time,
the King of Prussia. Who's who Bismarck works for the
King of Prussia. Right, Germany is not a thing yet
the thing that Germany becomes a thing based around the
scaffolding of Prussia. Um or is scaffold it around the
core that is Prussia. The Prussian king puts forward a

(49:16):
German prince to be the King of Spain, and it's like, hey,
maybe this guy could do it. And the Emperor of
France is terrified by this, right Louis Napoleon is like, well,
if that happens, then France is going to be surrounded
on both sides by states led by German emperors. I'm
not going to let that happen. And the Prussian king,
who also doesn't really want war, Bismarck, is orchestrating this
is like okay, hey, hey, you know, just an idea,

(49:37):
just an idea, just psioned out. You know, there are
no bad suggestions. So this this gets this gets rescinded,
which should have been a big win for Napoleon the
Third um but he's still really worried that the Prussians
are going to try something, so he sends out his
foreign minister, and this guy, Count Benedetti, is the same

(49:58):
as everyone else. Napoleon the Third picks for a job
shit eatingly incompetent. Right, if we know one thing about
the man, he he is not good at pickings people. Yeah,
it's just it's just all of his drinking buddies and
it's just like, hey, better, dummy, you do it. He's like, yeah,
you get in there, Benny, Yeah you got it. You

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got it, Benny, you got it out Yeah. So um
he had. He sends Count Benedetti over to the King
of Prussia, who's like at a fucking bath, you know,
he's doing like a big spad um to ask him
to promise not ever to put a German prince on
the throne, and the conversation goes pretty well. Obviously, the
King of Prussia doesn't want to war with France over this,

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but outivon Bismarck decides to do a little bit of
fake news and spin this up as a diplomatic incident
in which the French ambassador had been kicked out of
the King's presence, never allowed, never to be allowed back again.
This was not true, but Bismark knows, like all the
matters is getting this bad news out there. Quote. By
July fourteenth, the news is on the newspaper's desk all
over Europe. As soon as the news of this supposed

(51:02):
diplomatic incident is published, the streets of the French capital
are taken over by demonstrations against the Germans. The windows
of the Prussian embassy are smashed by rioters. Meanwhile, in Germany,
Bismarck fans the flames of nationalism by distributing for free
copies of newspaper of copies of newspapers with his own
version of the event, in order to make it look
like Benedetti was pestering the king with haughty demands. By

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the fifteenth of July, the French government is in turmoil
and must compose with the allies clamoring for war and
the suspicion of the opposition. There was a last attempt
to ask clarifications from the Count Benedetti, but the telegram
law arrives too late, and the careful examination of the
diplomatic papers asked for by the opposition is refused. And
so basically there's this, you know, Bismarck puts out this

(51:42):
fake news that you know, they they insulted our, our
national honor. Yeah, and this is called the m's dispatch.
Um this like this, this like diplomatic cable that goes
out that like Bismarck, uh fucking fox with real confidence
to be like, I'm gonna make this country clamor for

(52:04):
war with us. And it it works. The French people
do and Louis Napoleon. He is old, and he is sick,
and he does not think this is a good idea.
But all of these generals, the same ones who'd convinced him,
you know, to invade into China, say it's a good idea.
And most importantly, his wife Eugenie is like, if you
don't do this, you're fucking coward. This is how I come. Yeah,

(52:25):
this is I don't want to fuck you, but I
want you to go to war against fucking Prussia. I
don't have sex. This is how I do it. They
have a son. At this point, she's like, your son
will have nothing to inherit if you don't go to
war against Germany. Right now, you know what, what what
kind of example are you putting for your son if
you don't start a pointless war against the new great
land power in Europe. Um. So, Louis Napoleon, being fundamentally

(52:47):
a coward in a lot of ways, declares war on Germany. Smart. Um,
this goes pretty bad. So for one thing, on paper,
he's supposed people to get about four thousand dudes together, which,
even though the Prussians outnumber that, you're on the defense.
You've got castles and fortresses. You can. You can win
a war, a defensive war that way, especially if it's

(53:09):
just kind of your first wave. But he actually has
trouble getting more than like a quarter of a million
dudes together. The other problem is that, so you know
how he forgot to bring artillery to the Crimean war. Yeah, yeah,
I remember that, never learns that lesson. So the artillery
that the French bring into the Franco Prussian War is

(53:29):
the same artillery in some case literally the same guns
that Napoleon had brought into battle in eighteen twelve. Yeah. Meanwhile,
the Prussians have have breech loading steel cannons with modern artillery. Yeah,
they got the shelves and stuff. They're not just firing balls,
but they're shooting heavy balls real fast. Basically, the French

(53:54):
cannons are like hucking a Mazda Miata like pretty fast,
and the German can and their actual canons um. The
other thing that's so the French aren't entirely like it's
not like they're entirely like, uh, behind the curve militarily,
they've just been optimizing for these little, these little brush
fire wars. So one thing they have on their side

(54:16):
the French regular forces. These colonial troops have the best
rifle in the world at the time. Just the Germans
are astonished and how well this fucking gun works. It's
a great, great infantry rifle. Very few of their soldiers
actually have it, right, the actual territorial French army just
has old as musket. So anyway, he goes and he
goes with this army to command in the field because
again you Jenny like basically tells him that he's a

(54:39):
fucking cuck if he doesn't go in the battle. And
he is. He is, he is dying of him a
roids rights. He can't sit, he can't stand, certainly he
can command the field. He can barely move. He's got
his like teenage boy with him. Um. And they have
they have this one little battle where like um, they

(55:02):
move into Prussian territory and like kill sixty guys and
his he has he gets his air close enough that
like a bullet whizzes over his head. He's like, there
you go, you did it. You've been blooded in combat. Um.
And then they then they try to do a battle
in a place called Sedan. And this is not a
military history podcast, but it doesn't go well. Um. In short,

(55:23):
they get their asses absolutely handed to them. Um. For
all of military history since the age of Hannibal, one
of the things that like generals will talked about is
is doing a can i. Right. Can I is this
famous battle where there's this hundred thousand man Roman army
and Hannibal surrounds it completely and then just spends a
day butchering everyone slowly to death inside. It's one of

(55:46):
the most famous victories and all of military history. The
Germans do a can i at Sedan. They surround the
entire French military and kill quite a few of them.
And this is actually kind of one of the last
acts of roism of Louis Napoleon. The maybe the only one,
I guess would probably be to say is that his
generals are like, no, no, no, We've got a fight

(56:06):
until relief comes. We've got to keep it going. He
looks out at what's happening. It's like, there's ninety thousand
men here and the Prussians will kill them all. Like,
if we keep fighting, they will kill everyone here unless
I personally surrender. Um. Now, this isn't the first thing
he does. In fact, he attempts to get himself killed
by Prussian fire multiple times before he does this. He does,

(56:28):
he does go for suicide again, that is our boy, um,
and he cannot kill himself. He does get his his
aid to camp gets killed and like two of them
get wounded when he just kind of like stands in
front of these Prussians guns. But he doesn't get hurt
at all. So he tries to kill himself. He accidentally

(56:50):
he shoots another French soldier right in the fucking throat. Uh.
Very funny. Um. So yeah, he eventually uh goes to
the Germans and it's like, hey, you know the Emperor
of France and they're like yeah, and he's like he's
me and they're like seriously, they have no idea that
he's there. They don't know that he So this is

(57:12):
a real dub for the Germans. And he like when
he surrenders the like basically one of the conditions he
doesn't is that he is surrendering his army. He's not
surrendering for the nation of France. And very quickly after that,
the French respond by having a revolution while they're fighting
and losing this war, um, and he is no longer

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the Emperor of France. Um. He spends some time in
in custody of the Prussians. They lock him up, but
like rich guy style, you know, he's he's in like
some sort of castle. Yeah, nice, nice prison. He's writing stuff.
He's fucking you know, he's living his worst life. Yeah,
he's living his worth worst life. His his family has
to deal with the fact that they are no longer

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running France. France kind of falls apart. The Germans lay
siege to Paris. People are eating rats. It is ugly
and it does not leave the people of France very
well induced towards Napoleon the Third, although he never gives
up hope of proclaiming another empire like he because he

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flat He goes back to exile in England, and he
spends the last couple of his years he is actively
working on another plan to return the France and take
over the monarchy yet again. But then he dies in
eighteen seventy three, just before he can try his fourth
coup attempt um. That would have been Honestly, I think

(58:39):
I think that time he'd have gotten it right. I
think he would have gotten it right that time. I
think it would have worked out everything that one of
the sad things because he gets like attacked a lot
by the French and by like even particularly conservatives in France.
For um surrendering at Sedan. His last words are we
weren't cow words at Saddan, were we? Which is like, no, dude,

(59:02):
that was like the only thing you did that, the
only thing you did that was actually putting other people's
lives before you your own. Yeah, that was like the
first time like that empathy bone that your dad tried
desperately to instill into you really really gave everything he
could still being an absent father. Uh to push it

(59:23):
to you, I mean you know, hey, at the at
that time, that was that's the best kind of father
and you can have. This is he is. Louis Bonaparte
is the best father we've talked about on this show.
Saying that, yes, just based on those like letters alone,
you're just like, oh, yeah, you know, he's sure. He
wasn't there and was like I don't love you and

(59:45):
I think you're dumb and to his face and uh,
you know, I think, what did he say, read your book?
Hated it, hated it, hated it? Stupid book? How dare
you think you could write this? Still? Best dad, best
best dads so far on the show. Yeah, well, Matt,
that's the podcast. Well that is a that is a

(01:00:06):
wonderful story of a great, great failed son and uh,
the failest of sons, the failest of sons. I mean,
you've got to hand it to him. He was able
to actually achieve just enough to fail spectacularly. You know,
getting captured is just chef's kiss. Yeah. That's a beautiful

(01:00:27):
way to end your empire, being captured and giving everyone Germany.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, inventing modern Germany. Yeah yeah,
that's uh, hey, how's that going to go for the future? Thin?
You know. I actually stopped reading my German history textbook
in August first, nineteen fourteen, but it's going well yeah,

(01:00:49):
so good. Yeah. I would love to meet whoever the
current Kaiser is over there. Yeah. I'm sure he's cool
and has been in power and stability and peace. That
sounds like Germany. I probably know. God, you know, this
was a fun one. It wasn't about Nazis, but it

(01:01:09):
was about proto fascism. Yeah. I love that. It is cool.
It's cool and good. Can people find you anywhere? You
can find me on the world's only the wire rewatch podcast,
Pod Yourself the Wire or the World's Only Sopranos podcast,
Pod Yourself a Gun and once again, Um, we're doing

(01:01:31):
a live show at s F Sketch Fest Saturday, janu
pm over at the Piano Fight Theater. Go to s
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it would be embarrassing if no one came. It would
be embarrassing. Go go there, go now, find Matt Leeb
at s F Sketch Fest. You can see me in person.

(01:01:52):
You can assassinate me. Ya, sell your possessions, fly to
San Francisco live on the streets in the weeks leading
up to the event. You know should and then murder
him murder me please and uh and also yeah, give
us five stars a review. That's really all I want. Um,
you know, there's enough listeners out there on this podcast

(01:02:13):
that I should be able to break a thousand. Come
there we go? All right, Yeah, that's those are my plugs. Guys.
I love you. I love you too. I love you
more than my my five week old daughter. Yeah. I
don't think that's true, but I want you to think
it's true. There you go, gaslight me, gas light me. Daddy.

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I'm gonna and I'm going to be in the comments
section going kill me, kill me, do it, and no
one will be able to do it. I'm like Napoleon
the Third in that way, and we are dumb boomsaka
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