Part Four: The Andrew Tate Story

Robert is joined again by Sophie and Ian to conclude our series on Andrew Tate

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the podcast that I
just tried to introduce badly. Uh, and I then completely
forgot to start recording. Um. So I'm I'm I'm great. Uh,
I'm so good. Uh do we do we have a guest?
What's the name of the show? What's happening? I don't know, Sophie,
do we have a guest? Who? Who are we? What

(00:24):
do we do? Where are which is Behind the Bastards?
You're Robert Evans, I'm your I'm your overlord, Sophie Lichtman,
And our guest is Ian Johnson, our wonderful Hi. I hey, Sophie,
Ian Johnson, incredible editor, Sophie podcast and furor. Um, I've

(00:46):
done that and it's cringe every time. The last note
will not. Um. Well, you know we're talking about Andrew
em Marie Tate. Uh and boy, howdye m are we
talking about Andrew Marie Tate. We just finished talking about
Hustlers University. Uh. And we're about to get into Hustlers

(01:09):
University two point oh, because Andrew understands branding if nothing else.
But before we get into that, I wanted to talk
a little bit. So obviously, while this is going on
while he's launching this series of online classes and deliberately
courting controversy online by saying like funked up shit about
women to go viral. He's also constantly guesting on every

(01:30):
right wing podcast that will have him. Um and because
of the world is the way it is, info Wars
is the first place he's able to like really get
some traction, and he's going to abandon them as soon
as he can, like everybody who gets their start out
info Wars, because it's a dead end. You want to
you want to escape Info Wars and get on. He's
going to eventually be interviewed by like fucking Pierce Morgan

(01:51):
and ship um, but at first he he's reliant upon them.
And Alex Jones sees the potential in this guy and decides,
I want to try and make Andrew a part of
my business, which is the thing that that Alex does regularly.
And it leads us to this beautiful ad for the
supplement line that Alex made branded based on Andrew Tate. Um.

(02:12):
So here's an ad for Andrew Tate branded Info Wars supplements.
Oh boy, oh this is this is a real treat
for everyone to get a job, the man to get
a job. They inflate the currency so nobody can exist
in any other way because it's too expensive. The parents
are not working all day to school and the Internet
and the matrix raise your children. Your children go to

(02:34):
school all day and be told things that you may
not want them to learn. Then they sit on the
Internet and read things and watch things you may not
want them to watch. You talked to him for ten minutes.
At the end of the day, they go to bed.
You're fighting with your ten minutes against endless hours of
the most entertaining programming or the most forceful programming, And
school is forceful on the Internet's entertaining, convincing them of
ideas that you perhaps don't agree with. I've seen it

(02:55):
myself on YouTube. I've seen a guy in America driving
his car and his kids were in the back seat
and he was our with them an issue and they
was like, where did you hear that? School? He's like,
why did the school tell you that that's not true?
And his own children are arguing with him because they
learned to in school. Have you ever tried to take
your children out of school? You'll get fined, You get
in trouble. Now your kids have to go to school.
You have to give your kids away to the school.
If you don't give your kids a way to the brainwashing,

(03:16):
you'll get in trouble. As an all starfighter, businessman, motivational speaking,
it is it is like here we go. This is
so fin I thought andrew something up. No, just leading
us in with like this mix of Christian conservative fearmongering

(03:39):
and like divorce dad fearmongering. It's perfect, It's perfect. And
then we get Alex let's go. Speaker and philanthropist Andrew
Tate has truly earned the title of top G. But
there's another title Andrew Tate hold that has enraged the globalist.
He is consecutively the most googled man in the world

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in the last two years, and that's because his message
is about human and specifically male empowerment. Now Andrew Tate
is taking his fight to empower and supercharge men to
the next level introducing top G Supplements. We are proud
to andrewduce and sponsor the top G line of supplements
by Andrew Tate and his crew. Now you have the

(04:20):
chance to benefit embodied mind and soul with the same
supplements that Andrew Tate takes himself learn more about these
amazing products at Andrew Tate Power dot com Andrew Tate
power dot com and discover the power of Andrew Tate's
new supplements. They're the highest quality on the market. I
think there's a whole bunch of men in the world
who understands my value. And if men grow up to

(04:41):
be like me, you're gonna have a whole bunch of
people with no criminal record, dedicated athletes. Alright, that's probably enough.
No criminal record, Buddy scares in that video, So first amazing,
it's it's lawlessly third of Jake Paul's face. Yeah, did

(05:05):
you see the names of the supplements on the Yeah,
let's let's go through that. That's probably that's that's probably
it was. They were like those names from that Like
other video we watched in the last episode was like
sheer per per. I don't even know those words, like
sheer perdacity or perspicacity. Yeah, perspicacity, those are like the

(05:27):
names of the supplements. And because he's trying to do
like a Mohammed Ali thing, right, Like Mohammed Ali would
always describe himself and he's very florid off in like
rhyming terms. But Mohammed Ali also uh could back up
every single thing he said about himself, um, which which
Mr Tate cannot um. But it also doesn't matter because
it's all about it's all about making making the image work.

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So one Andrew Tate's image is working very well. He
has become one of the most popular accounts on Twitter,
on Instagram, am, He's got a pretty prominent YouTube. He
is huge on TikTok. You know, we're talking like millions
and millions of followers and combine several billion impressions just

(06:10):
in like the top g term on TikTok and ship um.
And so he launches Hustlers University two point oh. So
he had been selling a bunch of different classes. He
pairs that down and he focuses just on money making schemes.
And the gist is this for about fifty dollars a month,
you get the classes for free. Um and you also
get let into this discordse Sorry, for fifty dollars a month,

(06:34):
you get the classes for free, so um um. But
what about the fifty dollars a month? Well, sorry, you
don't get the classes for free. For fifty dollars a month,
you get access to the classes and to a series
of Discord rooms. Discord is like a chat service you
can do voice and text chat um. And basically what
he's what he is selling is I built this community

(06:56):
of people who have gotten rich using my tactics, and
if you pay this monthly fee, then you'll get to
hang out with us and they will coach you on
how to make money and you can watch all of
our videos on how to make money too. And he
damn it, that's like kind of brilliant on two levels.
And I hate it for it because a subscription model
is just passive income coming in every month as long
as you can maintain that subscriber base. And now he

(07:19):
has other people doing the work for him. He has
comity doing the teachings, he doesn't even have to do
an actual and the schemes that he's because he has
like you get to pick like one of three or
four different money making paths to go down when you
join Hustlers University. It's a little like a video games
but and they're all kind of boring. Basically, you can

(07:40):
choose to either learn how to day trade like do
stock trading, or learn how to sell cryptocurrency, or learn
how to run like a copyrighting mill where you're basically
paying people pennies to write like terrible, shitty fake books
to take advantage of Amazon's algorithm and trick people into
paying like two dollars for um. There's also a lot
the Amazon affiliate ship. A bunch of it involves taking

(08:03):
advantage of like the ways that Amazon works. Um. And
it's one of those things if you watch YouTube and
you don't have YouTube read or whatever the funk YouTube
calls their subscription service, which I don't because I'm lazy. Um,
you get all these like shady ads from people telling you, like,
I'm going to teach you how to make a bunch
of money off of YouTube or off of Amazon, Like
did you know that you could get rich, you know,

(08:26):
creating Amazon affiliate links or with Audible or whatever. That's
all he's doing. But instead of selling it as like
the shady video just on how to make money using Amazon,
he's giving you access to this community of of distinguished
men who all smoke cigars and post pictures of how
much money they're making. Um. And because all these other guys, again,

(08:47):
it's it's taking a lot of these MLM tactics where
you're surrounding yourselves in this community of other men who
are going to be bragging constantly that they're making money.
So you feel like, if I'm not making money, it's
not because this video is bullshit, it's because is I'm
not hustling hard enough, I'm not taking advantage of all
of the great advice that I've gotten. Um, it's it's

(09:07):
it's a pretty clever thing to do. Um. And he
does encourages people like post your sales, post which you're
making this month, and all of that's kind of gamed
and and a lot of it's very scammy in the
same way that like a lot of MLM stuff is
where it's like, yeah, just post your raw sales, don't
tell people what your netta is, don't tell people how
much money you had to put into the business to
make it work. All that good stuff and take again

(09:29):
is barely present on the actual Hustlers University discord. But
what he does do is when he launches this new
version of the service, he spins up his media appearances
and like all these different right wing podcasts and hustler
culture podcasts to push the push the store, and he
He also alters his branding at this point. Earlier he'd

(09:49):
kind of been indistinguishable from he'd been kind of at
the nexus of pickup artist and all right political weirdo,
but he increasingly pivots to positioning himself as kind of
like at jacked Rich Jordan Peterson, Um, and I want
to play you a video that gives you an example
of that. Let's quickly talk about like the red pill
to day game guys, and this is why they're wrong,

(10:09):
and this is what they don't understand. Listen to me,
and I'll teach you how to get girls on Tinder,
and I'll teach you how to go out and get
girls at the mall day. If you are walking around
the mall all day or you're tendering all day, you
are giving out attention and you're giving out more than
you'll ever get back. Because you're a man, You're giving
attention out and you don't get enough back. So that's

(10:30):
an energy decacit and zaps you love your powers before
you know where you're gonna end up one of them
little red pill doors. Sitting there with the madness. You're
on an alpha bro. You're five ft seven, You're not
fucking alpha. How are you an alpha and you're like
five ft alpha of wall walk into a fucking rude
basketball players multimillionaire six foot five and talking about how

(10:53):
alpha you are because of your YouTube chat. Fucking these guys,
even a dream. Alpha has always for the longest period
of human I meant capability for violence. That's what alpha
has always meant. Apex predator, a little short dude, Lulu Foo.
All right, well of course you are. Let's let's just
let's not even let's meet, and let's not even talk.
Let's meet and let's just measure our heights. Let's take
a picture side by side of me and you, and

(11:16):
let's talk about how alpha you are afterwards. Doors So
they're giving out energy, they don't get energy back. The
correct way to get pussy like I have is to
absorb the energy from everyone in the room and then
expel it in a fireball, a lightning strike of power
and prowess. So all the bitches what a fuck you?

(11:40):
And they pray You come and say hello. That's how
you get bitches. You don't go and beg them and
give energy a way, No, you steal the energy from
every other male and then you expel it in a
ball of fucking lightning. What's happening? Find him? Sounds like
he's been watching a lot of dragons, Like what the
hell is he talking behind someone's cleaning his house? But

(12:03):
why is she so close to him? Because he likes
to show you that, like that's a big part of
his He does this in all of his like a
lot of his videos. He'll make sure that like his
cleaning lady or one of his cam girls is like
doing a task behind him to like make the point
that he's got all these women working for him, right,
Like that's that's a huge part of the tape, myth um.

(12:25):
But what he's doing here in this video is interesting
to me. He's he's deliberately he's he's he's positioning himself
as the opposite of both these whiny men's rights activist
guys and of the standard pickup artist crew. And he's
all this talk about height, let's talk about alpha's. He
is playing two in cells because like he knows that
very young men, mostly in their late teens, who are

(12:47):
like angry about the fact that girls don't like them
and angry about the fact that like they're they're they
don't have all of the money and success. They think
that they're owed that like that's his that's his business, right,
that's his fucking bread and butter um. And is he
why is he choosing to like alienate all the short
people He's He's not, He's not. This is actually a

(13:08):
two part con And what he's what he's doing here
is he's getting them. So I was gonna say, it's
like kind of sounds like he's like dunking on exactly
who he like is targeting. But I think it's probably
like a little reverse. He is doing, yes, some some
negging and stuff right to get the to get these
guys riled up. But he's also so if you remember
back if I don't know if any of you read

(13:28):
Elliott Rogers manifesto Elliott Roger being the first in cell
mash shooter. Um, he he talks a lot, and he,
like the entire in cell community was formed initially as
a reaction to pick up artistry. Right, all of these
guys who uh feel like there's something inherently wrong with
their bodies that makes it impossible for them to pick

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up women and in an unfair way, or that feminism
has ruined it Roger was obsessed that because he wasn't
like tall enough or white enough, right, that he was
never going to to to get a girl. Um. They
shelly when they were like younger, fell into pickup artistry
and when that didn't work because none of it works
very well, Uh, they became violent, psychopath Like they became violent, right,

(14:11):
Like they just they decided like not only was the
like pickup artistry a con but all of society deserved
to pay for the fact that they got conned by
pickup artists. Andrew recognizes this, and so the first thing
he's doing is he is going after the pickup artists, right,
and he's going after it in a way that's going
to get all these in cel dudes like agitated, but

(14:31):
is also going to play to the fact that they
realize they're being conned by these people. Um, and I
think that's an interesting choice. And the other thing that
he's doing, he starts by talking about how like you're
not alpha if you're not tall enough, right that all,
but but he's also framing it as like these pickup
artists aren't real alpha's because they're not they're not big.

(14:51):
And it sounds at first like he's kind of going
into this, it's hopeless. If you're not tall, you'll never
get a woman. That's actually not the claim that he's making.
I'm gonna you another clip that's kind of an extension
of his message that shows how he's talking to these
in cell folks after he gets through with the kind
of slamming the uh uh slamming the pickup artist crew,

(15:12):
and the message that he has for the actual people
being taken advantage of by the pickup artist community is
kind of liberatory in a weird way. Now, I am
genetic gifts. I understand you do not have, but I've
I've also worked on my genetic so I didn't just
have them. You know, I worked. But even if you
if you did the work I did, you'd still be
taught one percent even without the genetics, because you have

(15:33):
no idea how hard I've worked. But the point is,
if I teach you how to absorb energy from everyone
else around you, then you instantly become the most powerful
person in the room. So there's not only so much
about being big and being strong and having a lamb
boksbout absorbing energy and attention. So you people do not
understand and not inn percent of the things people teach you.
They teach you how to expel energy. You can expel

(15:56):
and lose huge amounts of energy, chasing bitches and trying
to make money you don't get enough back, whereas if
you can flip the script, then the whole world changes.
This is what you need to understand, so that there
He's insufferable, is it? But that's this is worth really
drilling into and paying attention to, because this is an

(16:17):
extremely appealing message to the kind of young men who
are like on the edge of where Elliott Roger was right,
these children and are these guys they're they're starting out
in the world. Mostly we're talking young white teenagers or
not though not exclusively, but like men, and it's it's
hard out there. Obviously, it is still easier to be
a man or a white man, it is to be

(16:38):
basically anything else, but it's not as as much easier
as it used to write. And some of that's because
things are less unfair than they used to be in
some regards, and some of it's just because the economy
has gotten worse. The world has gotten harder. A number
of things, there's a lot of ships gotten uglier. Capitalism
has kind of gotten more undeniably brutal, even to the

(17:00):
chunk of people who were initially being uh lifted up
by it. Um. And so these kids get out there
and ship's not as easy. They're not getting handed the
things that they're supposed to get handed, and a lot
of them turn nihilistic. And the radical right has always
targeted men in this age group and socioeconomic group um.
And these are again young people who recognize and some

(17:22):
of what they're recognizing, like with Robert Blig's folks, is fair.
There's a degree a lot of atomization in our society.
It is not encouraged for men to have like intimate
friendships with other men. It's deeply lonely. Um, it's deeply
competitive in a way that's really vicious. And these people
are suffering, and the Right always has has made a

(17:42):
lot of their early recruitments by kind of coming in
and finding these men, trying to make sense of their
suffering and offering them an answer. Um. But while the
kind of in cell youth culture that has been deeply
influential online is super nihilistic, Tate is reaching out to
these people, and he's preaching to these awkward nerdy kids

(18:03):
with social anxiety, but he's offering them a sense of
hope where he's like, yeah, you're not gonna be like
me because you're not six three, if you're like five seven,
But if you put in the work I've put in,
you can still be in that top one per cent. Right.
It's about taking an absorbing energy, and I have these tactics.
Your genetics are not the only thing that matters. Right,
You can actually overcome that with enough work, um and

(18:25):
find a way to to to make money and get
you know, women, right, Like that is actually the pitch
that he's making, And for the people who are kind
of adjacent to these in cell communities, that's a more
optimistic pitch than they've been getting from a lot of people. Again,
if you spend a lot of time on some of
these in cell boards, it's dudes obsessing with like oh,

(18:45):
because of the my chin is only this wide and
not this wide, so it's physically impossible for a woman
to love me, or like I have this like epicantic
I fold or whatever, Like my my nose is this
size and so I will never have sex, and like
the is a biological reality, and what Tate's actually saying
is the people telling you this are full of ship.
But also like, um, I have a tactic for how

(19:08):
you can and it just involves hard work. It doesn't
matter that you don't have these genetic gifts. You actually
can overcome that. And this is when you start talking
about Tate on any kind of open forum, right, you're
gonna get people coming in and saying some version of
He's the only reason I'm alive. He kept me from
killing myself for like I think he's he's talking And

(19:30):
this is because as toxic as he is, finding Andrew Tate,
if you are one of these young men who might
have gone Elliott Roger might be better for you than
like falling down the rabbit hole you would have fallen
down before him. That's not an necessarily an an accurate statement.
He tricks them into having hope. Yeah, exactly. And again

(19:53):
the point I'm making here, I am not saying that
he is a net good. He's absolutely not. But when
people people who are specifically look like we're kind of
in danger of falling into this in cell rabbit hole,
if they find Tate, that might be better for them
than the road they would have gone down. Now that's
a small subset of the folks who are actually encountering
his stuff. But when people make that point, it's not

(20:15):
there's not nothing there but and it's not because take
cares about saving kids. It's because this is how to
get money from them, right exactly. And it just speaks
to again how exploited of the whole thing is, because
you're already you're going after these people who are already
very clearly vulnerable and at a low point, and you're
just praying on that and taking advantage of it. And

(20:35):
it's just like, yeah, it's just disgusting. It's all disgusting.
But I also think it's really worth understanding the degree
to which he understands the online ecosystem he's feeding in, right,
And that's why them that, you know, their greatest insecurities
don't matter as long as they're you know, they try
to be like him and be to man. Yeah, be

(20:58):
a top g yeah. Um. One of one of his
big lines is you don't have to be handsome if
you're scary, which by which he means that like ugly
dudes can get women if they're jacked, um, which is
again that's very bad. Although you could argue it's better
than you should drive a car into a crowd because
you'll never find love. Right, So this is why people

(21:19):
make that argument. It's not It doesn't mean that he's
a net force for good because spoiler, he is not.
He's a terrible person and his overall impact is a
ton of harm. But on this specific community, there is
an argument to be made, and that's where that argument
comes from. Right. Um. Yeah, And again the idea that like,
he shouldn't be deplatformed because he's going to save all

(21:40):
these in cells is nonsense. Um, it's just not coming
out of nowhere, right, because that is where his money
comes from. Right, That's the the group of people he's
decided to take advantage of. And I do think in
the long run he might wind up having just as
much of a negative effect on these kids as to
pick up artists had on Elliott Roger. It just hasn't
been going on that on because eventually they're going to

(22:01):
see none of what he says works. Right, Like, in
the long run, it's not going to work. It's just
in the short term less nihilistic than drive your car
into a crowd, although it might still end in the
same place. But you know who won't tell kids two
oh boys. So if he just rolled ads, ah, we

(22:28):
are back. So Tate is kind of where while a
lot of his pitch is laser targeted at young men
going down that specific in cell rabbit hole, once he
kind of captures that demographic again, he's he's an innovator.
He starts to broaden his appeal as fast as he
can because he wants to reach as many vulnerable young
men as he possibly can. And he's he is a

(22:50):
cognizant person of the time that he's in. He's he
recognizes there's a lot of movement and there's a lot
of cultural momentum behind certain left wing ideas, including criticisms
with capitalism. I actually think people don't recognize enough how
superficially critical of capitalism Andrew tatas and how much of
his appeal comes from that. And to kind of exhibit that,

(23:11):
I want to play a clip from him on the
Fresh and Fit podcast, which he is sitting in between
like seven or eight women who look like they're all
Instagram kind of done up in influencer type people. Yeah,
that's bullshit, that's slave mind garbage, feminist racist garbage. Crap

(23:33):
that's been putting in your brain that you need to resist.
Absolutely nothing to do with Eurocentrists. It's bullshit, it's garbage facts.
You need to resist that kind of ship. I'm telling
you the problems with the world today are very, very specific,
and I state this without patronizing you. I don't want
to patronize you. I'm an old man, I've been around
the block. The problems in the world today exist because
the people who are in charge of the world have

(23:55):
done a very very clever thing. They've specifically designed the
world in which a way that the people at the bottom,
because we're all at the bottom, even me with all
my millions, right, the people at the bottom are so
busy fighting with each other that we never look up
and realize we're getting fucked. And the reason and the
reason they do that the blacks hate the whites, Republicans
take the Democrats, the men hate the women. Eurocentric He

(24:17):
said this, you don't have pay gop blah blah blah.
It's all slave mind ship to keep us all fighting
amongst each other. Do you think when a billionaire who's
black meets a billionaire who's white, they talk about race? No, No,
you think they can think a white do you think
a female billionaire and a male billionaire meat, they start
talking about euro centric ism, feminist fucking garbage. No, stop

(24:38):
buying into that ship. It's a fucking trick. It's a
fucking lie, all of it. Throw it away, Throw it
the funk away. If you want to be attractive as
a female, you know what you need to do. You
need to go to the fucking jim just because just
because Myron said it, just because Myron said it. You
need to be smart enough. You need to be smart
enough to not let yourself get triggered by the fact
that he just said something you're not used to hearing.
That's all it is. That's all it is. So every

(25:05):
second of that it is, it is miserable. But he's again,
that is a superficial kind of class analysis right where
he's talking about billionaires all have solidarity with each other. Uh,
we're all we're all poor. And he's again he's lying
about this. He is he is, He's a multimillionaire, possibly

(25:26):
multi hundreds of millions of dollars. But you see what
he's doing. He he recognizes everyone hates these billionaires. Everyone.
You cannot ignore inequality and the role that it has
on Like why all these young men who are vulnerable
to my message is suffering, so I have to fucking
play to that, right, Um, And and again he is
offering this kind of he starts with this thing that

(25:48):
has elements of left wing analysis to it, elements of like,
you know, capitalism is a con game. The rich are
a class, and they have solidarity with each other, and
they're trying to keep you guys fighting so that you
don't organize a against them. There's pieces of less left
wing analysis there. Um. But then take solution is not
dismantled the system. It's not go after these guys. It's

(26:10):
treat it like a trap you escape by getting rich
and jacked. Right. That's the way that that's the way
it is to say. Again, look back to Robert Bli
where he's he's very accurately stating, here are some fucked
up things capitalism is doing the men. Here are ways
in which capitalism and the patriarchy is harming men. The
solution is for men to like go out into the

(26:30):
woods and play drums and and learned how to hunt
and stuff. Uh not. The solution is for men and
women to organize to make a more just society that
doesn't harm us in these ways. It takes doing a
version of the same thing, like BLI. He's he's diagnosing
parts of the problem, and then the thing he's selling

(26:51):
you is, here's how you personally can get out of
it by doing this thing that feeds money to me. Right,
he's insufferable. He's insufferable, but it works, UM. And obviously
other people are pushing pieces of this message on young folks. UM,
but his presentation is the most polished he is not.

(27:11):
He is a good speaker, and I don't mean that
in the you should like the way he speaks. I
mean it. And he's effective at speaking and getting his
message across. Always the most obnoxious in the room, he's
the ladest in the room, and you make sure that
he does. And if you watch him with these UM,
these young men, like these other male influencers on their podcasts,

(27:34):
he's so good at sucking energy from them, like he
actually does know how to do that. He's very good
at talk, not just not even talking over them, but
at making the focus of the conversation whatever he wants
it to be and making himself the person that people
are focusing on Um, that's the thing he knows how
to do. Uh. And it's it's it's it's yeah. And

(27:57):
I think probably the smartest thing he's done in this
whole process is co opt the Matrix movies in his messaging.
And that sounds very silly. The thing that Tate does
is he basically he positions the matrix is the normal
world where you like work for some company forty or
whatever hours a week just to scrape by and if
you're lucky, maybe buy a house someday. Um. And the

(28:19):
thing that Andrew tells people is that, like, this is
what you have to break out of, right, Not not
that like you have to make a more equable system,
but you have to escape the matrix, like Neo does.
And it's just about freeing yourself. Um. And very it's
just about getting yourself. Yeah. And once he once he
gets kids to accept that idea, the thing he tells

(28:39):
them that they need to drop out of school and
spend the money they would spend on college on Hustler's university. Um.
That is that is a massive part of his pitch.
And again it's it's not hard to see why this
stuff is appealing to a lot of young kids. It's
married to some of the worst misogyny imaginable too, though.
Um he tells young men that like, they should not
learn how to cook, that's a waste of time. They

(29:00):
should find a woman to cook for them. They should
focus on making money. Women shouldn't be allowed to leave
the house. They shouldn't have friends of their own. This
is all stuff that take preaches to alongside the stuff
that's less fucked up. Intate's ideology women being able to
have their own careers and lives is also part of
the matrix, right. He starts from this reasonable position capitalism

(29:21):
is kind of a con job, and then he pivots
to telling kids that the real con is anything that
limits the ability of young men to do whatever they
want in any way. And I want to play you
now a video that he made to advertise Hustlers University.
Two point oh um, because it's it's uh something else.
You cannot stop, you cannot give up. You're in the
most fantastic place on the planet for making money, Hustles University,

(29:44):
and the only person who could ruin that is you.
Most of you are happy to be losers. Part time
you want to escape. That's why you join. You don't
want to be loser anymore. But then that new video
game comes out. I'll just play the video game. I'll
just be a loser for two more weeks. Then I'll
get back to trying to escape the matrix. It doesn't
work that way because you jump in it out of
complacency from I'm happy to be a loser and do

(30:05):
loser things too. I can't be a loser anymore. When
you're jumping it out, you never get momentum. You cannot quit,
you cannot give up. You need that momentum to break free.
When a rocket is flying out towards the moon to
escape the atmosphere, it doesn't fucking pause halfway up the
sky doesn't know. It keeps going. Every single second you're
not in Hustas University, there are things happening, conversations happening

(30:27):
that you're not watching. Information that could be the one
little piece of information you need to break out. It
could be that one little sentence that changes everything. You're
in Hustas University and you're gonna make money. But it
ain't easy. It ain't gonna be given to you on
a plate. You're gonna have to work you're in competition
with the entire world. Everyone wants to escape. You cannot
be lazy. Okay, that's probably enough. The filming on this

(30:51):
is so weird, Like jumps back and forth between his cars.
He's like clearly holding an empty mug too. I think
filmed in a way that like is meant that they
can cut it up for for TikTok more easily. Um.
You see this with like the liver King to a
lot of these guys will their longer YouTube videos will
have kind of a weird vibe because they're mainly filming

(31:11):
it to cut it up for TikTok um. But you
see here he's like there's this fear of missing out.
You're not doing enough. You've got to break like free.
You're in competition with everybody else. Um. And it's it's
it's interesting because when he's when he's talking this stuff, Um,
it's extremely modern, and it's it's almost a political right,
Like there was not a thing in that that is

(31:34):
like you could super define as like a particularly political rant.
Tate is a very political guy. And when he gets
into his opinions about like women shouldn't be allowed to
leave the house, you realize he's actually kind of like
a traditionalist religious fundamentalists, which we will be building towards.
But he's smart enough that he doesn't get stuck in
the traps that a lot of religious fundamentalists fall into

(31:54):
trying to reach out to young men. He doesn't start
with any of that. It's stuff that kind of comes
out later in some of his other rants um and
and he gets this there. There will be moments where
you can he will make these arguments about stuff like
military service that actually wouldn't seem out of place if
you're listening to some like left wing bread tuber going
on a rant. I want to play you this clip here,

(32:16):
because again, it shows how much he's kind of separated
himself from the traditional right wing grift sphere, or at
least the traditional conservative grift sphere. I think, I think
you're a fool. You gonna go die for what, Biden?
I'm trying to protect American freedom. Yeah, you're gonna protect
the freedom of those people in Nebraska by going over
to Yemen and balmbing some thirteen year old farmers. Great job, Stupid,

(32:39):
You may protecting nothing but profits for companies that don't
care about you. You You should only protect yourself and your boys.
I thought for myself. Again, the world champion got some money.
You never get any money. Your leg blown off, walk
around one leg? Mr Limpy, Mr Limpy g for what for?
Biden doesn't care about you. Don't be stupid, don't be dumb.
I'm pure as much I'm joining us say that's a Again,

(33:03):
first of all, you should only protect your boys. Made
me audibly vomit, But that's how we work here at
cool Zone. No no, but just like him going like
firm anti military and anti Biden, like you're you're clearly
you clearly know your audience. Yeah, it's these it's these

(33:26):
kids who grew up right after because like I mean,
Ian and and Sophie and we all grew up kind
of right in the wake of nine eleven and all
of that, Like where the military was this like sacred,
uncriticizeable thing in mainstream American culture. That era is past,
and it's i mean, obviously in the UK it was
always a bit different, but like that era is well

(33:48):
passed and you actually you can get I mean, Trump
did versions of this right when he would talk about
how you're like a loser if you get injured for
your country. It would always all these democrats who are
stuck in like two thousand six would always get like
this has to be the end for him. Look, he
he told people that like injured veterans or chumps, and
it's like, no, it doesn't matter, Um, they're perfect. People

(34:08):
are perfectly willing to say that they are chumps because
the this could like modern conservatism, the modern right is
so purely focused on the grift and on personally sucking
as much money out as you can from people around
you that it doesn't matter. Tait realizes that there's no
need to be ashamed of this thing, and it can
draw in folks who are like open to listening to

(34:30):
these kind of left wing arguments. He starts to make
one there where he's like, all you're doing joining the
military is murdering kids and Yemen. You can find versions
of that and like Marxist like influence and influencer YouTube brands,
and it would be so curious to know like the
specific things that he uh watched and read where he's like, like,

(34:51):
what what specifically he learned? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
it's yeah exactly. I think he spends a lot of
time and he says he spends all of his time
online like he's working on the time. I think a
lot of I think a lot of it is he's
paying attention to what's going viral whare and he's not

(35:14):
just paying attention to what goes viral on the right.
And one of the things that happened when he got
arrested is you had all of these left wing weirdos online,
guys like Vosh is the one that I remember most
specifically being like, well, you know, Andrew Tate's bad, but
the left needs someone like him who can speak to
young men in this way. And it's like, well, all
he's doing is he's he's using these he's using his bait,

(35:38):
little pieces of left wing social analysis and class analysis
in order to get people on the hook. And then
he's trying to sell them on turning their fifteen year
old cousins into uber drivers. Like that. That is all
that is here. There's there's no need to replicate this.
He's not actually offering people anything. He's just the thing

(35:58):
that he's promising them. Rather than like the grinding act
of trying to reform the world in a more just way,
he's promising them you can get a Lamborghini. Well, yes,
that's always going to be a better pitch to a
lot of people than if we all work hard and
fight like hell, we can make the world more just. Um,
but you can't. There's no like, there's no replicating what
Tate's doing because the only thing he's promising is a

(36:20):
chance at like winning the lottery basically, right, Um, that's
not actually a thing you should shoot for. That's my
opinion here. Um. So all of the videos that I've
been playing for you, nearly all of them, um, come
from fans who will compile clips of his various interviews
and podcast appearances and put them up on social media.
Since Tate has been banned for most platforms, this is

(36:42):
the only way his content gets out. But more than that,
it's part of a cohesive media strategy. That's how he
became famous in the first place. Tate built his empire
knowing that this would happen. And I'm gonna quote from
The Guardian here. Since January, repackaged videos from interviews with
Tate over the years have been attracting leans of views
on TikTok, but in recent weeks this growth has accelerated.

(37:03):
In August so far alone, clips tagged with his name
have been watched more than a billion times. The posts
do not come from Tate himself, who does not appear
to be active on the platform, but from hundreds of accounts,
often using his name and photo, run by his followers.
Members of Hustlers University, members, including boys as young as thirteen,
are told they can earn up to ten thous dollars
a month through lessons on crypto investing, drop shipping, and

(37:26):
by recruiting others to Tussler's University, earning a forty eight
percent commission for each person. They refer to have the
best chance of getting people to sign up. Their advised
to stoke controversy to improve their chances of going viral
and one guy at Hustler's University. Students are told that
attracting comments and controversy is the key to success. What
you ideally want is a mix of sixty seventy fans

(37:46):
and forty haters. You want arguments, you want war. And
this is the thing he did that's brilliant um or
mid two there was this thing. Are all of these
left wing influencers and liberal influencers and media people found
out about Andrew Tate and for weeks you could not

(38:07):
miss him. He was he was everywhere. All of these
mainstream media people like Pierce Morgan interviewed him. There were
a couple others. Someone at CNN talked to him. I
think like there were all these and all of them
were condemning him. All of them were attacking him. A
lot of them were making fun of him and trying
to show him as a loser. All it did was
making millions of dollars. This is why when people were celebrating,

(38:29):
like Greta dunking on him, I was like, guys, this
is how he got rich. Thankfully he happened to get
arrested after that, but like, this is how he got rich.
The only reason that we're doing these episodes now was
number one. I think the strategy, the whole sweep of
it is important. I wasn't willing to do something like
this until I thought there was a good chance he's
not getting out of fucking prison. Um. I mean, we'll see,

(38:50):
he might still come back to it, but I figured
it was worth doing at this point. It's interesting that
like his reach where he was going on literally CNN,
but also was doing like he did like an interview
on a Fit and Trim podcastcast, but also like he
did an entire interview on this like TikTok teen teen

(39:11):
show with Barstool Sports BFFs. They we'll have a clip
from that in a sense where it's like where it's
like yeah, and that's the thing, like everywhere, just unbelievable.
He doesn't have a TikTok and he's like the number
one guy on TikTok or was for quite a while. Um,

(39:32):
and that's that's Uh, there's brilliance in that he this
was conscious. He didn't look into this. This didn't happen
by accident. He realized once he gets a hundred thousand
or so people, it's like, if you've got a hundred
thousand people in your discord thing following you and you
can get them all posting. You get fifty six people
a day posting clip mash ups of your interviews. Some

(39:55):
of that's gonna go viral. It's gonna be and it's
gonna go fucking and the algorithm will help carry you. Um.
And again he part of this, he didn't come up
like this is part in part based on the fact
that he pays attention to what's been happening. So we
notices Alex Jones has guys like Kanye on because he
knows that they're going to do provocative racist ship that
the media will cover and that'll get his name trending.

(40:15):
Even though he's not on social media. He observes this
and then he goes more proactively after it. Right. Um,
what Tate's done is he's taken the logic and the
sense of personal investment that you get in a pyramid
scheme or an MLM, and he's given his followers a
vested financial interest in getting his content trending around the world.
And this worked incredibly well. Um, the sudden rush of

(40:38):
attention tate stuff gotten twenty two drove tens of thousands
of mostly very young men to Hustlers University and the
war Room, which is his even more exclusive discord that
costs five thousand dollars a month or five thousand dollars
total to join. Now, both platforms have strict requirements for
their membership. If you pay five grand to join the
war Room, you're warned ahead of time that you could

(40:59):
be banned for any reason, uh costing you five grand
if you displease Andrew Tate. So you're going to be
invested in keeping him happy meanwhile actively evil. And one
of the things you told if you join Hustlers University,
he tells you, if you don't pay every month for this,
it means you're not committed enough to succeed and are
definitely going to fail in life. I can remember him

(41:20):
doing like a call in show where like one guys like, yeah,
I think I need to take a month off from
membership to buy my mom my birthday gift. And he's like, well,
if you weren't a failure, you would have made that
money already using the skills you'd learned here. Um. And
what they do if you if you miss a month
of payments on Hustlers University, you're not You're not. You're not.
You are siloed off to a separate discord where the

(41:43):
only thing posted in there is screen grabs of the
other members profits. Oh my god, they want you to
find a way to get the money exactly. Yeah. Um,
And I'm going to continue with a quote from that
Guardian investigation We Can Do did an anonymous experiment with
a blank account set up for a teenage boy, and
we're quickly shown content of Tate after watching two of

(42:05):
his videos, we were recommended more, including clips of him
expressing misogynistic views. The next time the account was opened
to the first four posts were of Tap from four
different accounts. In one video, posted from an account with
Tate's name and face, he describes a matter of factly,
how he expects his girlfriends to behave I inflict. I
expect absolute loyalty from my woman, he says. I ain't
having my chicks talking to other dudes, liking other dudes.

(42:27):
My chicks don't go to the club without me. They
are at home. This tactic has worked extremely well, and
the way that social media functions has ensured that all
the hate Tate receives does nothing but make his brand stronger.
In mid one, basically every liberal and left yeah, I
already talked about this, but yeah um. After he gets
kicked off of social media, subscriptions to Hustlers University only

(42:47):
increase um. Screenshots posted online showed that Hustlers University two
point oh had about twelve thousand subscribers in March of
two when kind of Everybody started attacking Andrew Tate. By
July it had seventy seven thousand subscribers, and at the
start of August, there were a hundred and twenty nine
thousand followers. By the end of August, he starts to

(43:08):
get even more media attention, and his affiliate program that
incentivized subscribers gets discontinued um, which costs him a bunch
of people. So like near the end of that month,
he goes down by like thod or so, but that's
a temporary loss, because by September he's back up to
a hundred and sixty thousand subscribers UM. In October, BuzzFeed
observed more than two hundred and twenty one thousand users

(43:30):
in his discord server, which is Hustlers University two point
oh um. Since all of those people were paying month,
that means he was making eleven million dollars in October
alone just from his discord. Holy sh it, that's crazy.
Yeah and yeah, and you know he's not paying taxes

(43:52):
on and he's already told you you shouldn't pay taxes
on your ship. Break the law right point now. I
I think it's important to see the way a lot
of young men react to and imitate Tate, because it
could be easy to just miss him as just another
weirdo right wing guy. Online if you don't see that,

(44:12):
So I'm gonna play you a clip. This is of
some kid I think they're eighteen. Uh, this is their
TikTok uh. Watch this. Pay attention to his mannerisms. You've
all seen enough Andrew Tate now to recognize Tate. They
will think that it's so hard to break the matrix.
And I'm here to tell you it's not. Like I
made my first million dollars last year, and in the
past twelve months, I was able to turn that one

(44:34):
million dollars into five point six million, eighteen years old.
By the way, and I'll tell you this right now.
I didn't do this by listening to know brokey teachers
saying steady steady, steady steady for your degree. Fuck your degree.
It is not hard to create your dream life. Like,
once you make that first you are out. And if
you follow the steps that I give you would actually
take action and make that first one under k and

(44:56):
I'll blow it on a fucking penthouse or a lambo.
You will be out. So stop waiting and join us.
People think that it's so hard. So yeah, that's like
this is literally like clable. Yeah, yeah, it's right down
to like the facial expressions and stuff, and he's and
even like he's doing kind of a weird like semi

(45:18):
British accent thing in there or somebody. I don't know,
maybe the kid is British, but like every and he's
doing Like the term brokey is one that evolved within
the Tates hanture. Yeah, that's like the thing. By the way,
brokey is like that's what they tell you. Take people
tell you, like call your teachers that tell you, like
the adults around you who tell you not to obsess
with Andrew Tates style hustlers, brokeys because they're not multimillionaires,

(45:40):
so they're losers. If you argue with these people online.
The question they're told to ask you was what color
is your Bugatti? Um, By the way, the color of
Andrew Tates bugatti now is he doesn't have one because
it's been confiscated by the Romanian government. But this again
you see why this is like I mean, just for
a little to like personal context. When I was nineteen

(46:03):
eighteen nineteen, like I started working, and it sucks, like
working for minimum wage and trying to afford an apartment
was a lot easier fifteen sixteen years ago. When I
was doing it, but like it's still sucked ass. And
the thing that I wanted more than anything was to
like figure out some job that would let me work
from home doing something that wasn't miserable, which is like

(46:26):
how I started my career in like tech journalism and ship,
and like that was my my sole motivation was to
not have to spend forty sixty hours a week being
miserable in an office in like for someone else's profit.
I didn't want to have to do that. Um, And
like I get how powerful a motivator that is. And

(46:49):
there's again this kid that we just saw, Like part
of what he's saying is like these teachers who tell
you to study for you degree, that's not going to
help you. And for a lot of people, he's right.
I know a shipload of people who got to fun
in college degree and it did nothing but lock them
into debt. There's there's a reason why kids are vulnerable
to this ship, and it's because doing things the quote
unquote right way is often deeply unpleasant. Um, it's just

(47:13):
that all Andrew Tate's going to get you to do
is give him money. He's not going to teach you
how to escape this system because you can't escape it. Like,
even if you think that you've escaped it because you've
gotten a decent job, you're still latched to it one
way or the other. Like it is still dragging behind you,
which is why we need to kill it with a spear. Um.
But anyway, that's that's ads time for some ads. Ah,

(47:43):
good stuff. So I'm like, good stuff. Not sure are
you going to ask how we're feeling? How are you
Feeling's everybody doing? Everybody happy? Sad and concerned for I'm
hearing happy. Um, that's good. Tell us more so. In

(48:05):
the weeks before his arrest, Andrew was trending and what
is a legitimately fascinating direction. He announced at the start
of December of two that he had converted to Islam.
Now there is a whole video. There's a number of them.
But I watched a whole video with him and some
like weirdo Muslim scholar. I don't know that this guy
is a It's unlike the one Islam network, which has

(48:26):
one point seven or four million subscribers, this video has
one point six million views. The guy is Mohammed hijab Uh.
I don't think he's a good person. Um. And I'm
certainly not saying that he actually knows or actually is
as an expert on Islam. I don't know. I'm not
certainly either, but boy, this video is gross as shit. Um.

(48:47):
So he Tate starts by like saying that he had
converted to Islam because he decided it was the only
real religion, right, all of the other religions have been
cutted by the Matrix Center. Fake. Um. And he claimed
he to be an atheist, but then he saw evil
and that that convinced him of the existence of God.
And then we get to my favorite part, which is
the only thing that's entertaining in this video and not

(49:09):
deeply depressing angus time. You know, I've never been to
like a music concert, and people ask me why. I
just look at it and I feel embarrassed. I look
at someone up on a stage dancing around, and I
look at hundreds of thousands of peasants in the crowd. Yeah, yeah,
I'm like, it's embarrassing. I'm I feel cringe, just like

(49:31):
secondhand embarrassment. When I see these festivals and everyone's losing
their mind or these music concerts, I genuinely feel embarrassed
for the people who go, because to me, that is
a form of worship, Like you can listen to the
music at home for free, You're like, you don't have
to wait in that line and stand out in the cold.
Like I don't know, perhaps it was a big extreme,
but I've always known that they're trying to give us
false idols to some degree. And when I speak to atheists,

(49:53):
atheists like, oh, I don't believe in God, but they
they've signed up so hard to the liberal woke agenda.
There as religious as anybody, but they're just believing in
the wrong things to believe. So I think that's interesting
because what clearly has happened here is that Andrew Tate
is a deeply malignant narcissist. And if you go to
a concert, part of like what people get out of
a concert is losing themselves in a piece of another

(50:17):
person's creation. And that would mean that the focus is
not on Andrew Tate, and he's simply not only can
he not enjoy it, but it makes him sick to
see other people be a focus of attention. Like live
music is one of the greatest things we have. This
is the single best thing that our species has created like. Um,

(50:38):
but Andrew, I do think it's funny. But if people
are looking at Dula, that means no one to Andrew Tate. Yes. Um. Also,
there's definitely videos of him at concerts, but at least
that's beautiful, it's very funny. It's also worth noting that

(50:59):
Andrew Hate and Jeff Bezos are buddies in baldness and
not understanding the gift of songs. So that's that's what
it's neat that they have that in common. They also
both like we're really tight pants, which they also both
like to wear really tight pants. That is correct, although
I I gotta say this, Uh, Jeff Bezos gave up

(51:19):
half of his fortune in the divorce, and I don't
think that Andrew Tate would have done that. So yeah,
definitely not so Anyway, Tate was arrested right before the
end of two alongside his brother Tristan and two Romanian women,
one of whom was a former Romanian police officer. Um.
Some of the articles I found that are Romanian have

(51:42):
will say that the women were branded by him. Um.
This is not entirely accurate. They're saying this because of
like nexium, right, because the second season of The Keith
Renierie Dot came out and those women had been branded.
The realities that they have Tate's girls tattoos, which we
know exist. I've seen pictures of them on a number
of different women, and that's weird, but that is not branding.

(52:02):
People get tattoos, people get tattoos with dudes names on them.
That's not like, it's not branding and branding somebody dramatically. Yeah, again,
the guy is deeply abusive, but he is not like that.
I have not seen any evidence these literally branding women.
They just got tattoos of his name, which is like weird,
but not what Keith Reniery was having women do. Um.

(52:22):
It is too early for me to comment in much
detail about the allegations against him. Um. We do know
that at least two women I think it's up to
four now have accused one of the Tates, and we
don't actually know which of the Tates with physical and
sexual abuse. In addition, both Tates are accused along with
those women, of sexually trafficking a number of women for

(52:43):
their webcam business. We think he throws his brother under
the bus to say of himself one million. I think
there's a good chance. I don't think Tristan would. Tristan
I think is kind of not. Tristan is a giant
piece of ship, by the way, But like I think
that Andrew would throw Tristan under the bus before Tristan
with row Andrew under the bus. Although I'm open to

(53:03):
being surprised. Here um for a little bit of context
on the crimes, I'm gonna quote from readers here. The
Directorate for Investigating Organized Crime and Terrorism said the suspects
appear to have created an organized crime group with the
purpose of recruiting, housing, and exploiting women by forcing them
to create pornographic content to be seen on specialized websites
for a cost. It claimed that the men recruited women

(53:23):
with the pretense of romance and the lover boy method
before being forced to perform in pornographic content under the
threat of violence. Instaget investigators are reported to believe one
of the performers brought in forty five dollars a month
or forty pounds a month, but received no payment, and
while the women were kept under house arrest. Take claims
the women kept of the fees earned and that most

(53:44):
of the girls ended up being multimillionaires, and look, Tate
has his claim here that's important to note. But we
know that in his Hustler's University video he recommends getting
people to work with you in a gig basis and
then lying to them about how much money they're making
so you can take it. Also, I I think there's
reason to believe the Romanian authorities on this one. UM. Now,

(54:07):
the prosecution doesn't just have that, they have audio that
likely some of it I think came from a wire tap.
Some of it seems to have been recorded by one
of his victims. UM. Some of this audio has been
leaked to apparently been leaked to local Romanian news sources.
Most of the translations of that I found have been
from Romanians on edit on Reddit. I'm not going to
quote directly from it because I just am not certain

(54:28):
about the providence of all of this yet. But some
credible Romanian news sources are reporting that, based on these
these leaked conversations that the prosecution has Tate openly discusses
using the women who worked for him to launder money
and talks about the fact that he is committing crimes.
He does this very openly. They have him recorded talking
about the laws that he's broken because as smart as

(54:52):
he is in terms of how to like get himself
going viral on TikTok, he's not comprehends. Again, like everything
ab out Andrew, he's not as good as he thinks
he is. Uh and in this case, it seems to
have bitten him in the ass. Um. Now, it is
worth noting that Tate's house had been rated like six
months before his arrest, so he was aware that the

(55:13):
police were on him. It's kind of baffling to me
that he did not, and it maybe it shows his
arrogance that he didn't try to flee the country with
his assets or as much of them as possible. Um.
And instead he kind of seedd his fan base with
comments about the fact that he was likely to be
arrested or killed. This is sort of a John McAfee
and I'm sure that's who he's copying from. Here. Um,

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here's a clip from a fan video I found with
nearly seven hundred thousand views at the time of publication
of this episode. This right here is one of my
audiobooks that I own. It made a Spanish for kids,
and I don't even speak Spanish. Okay, guys, I paid dollars,

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he replied, the audio and I just uploaded the file
too audible. But what's amazing about that's and for each sale.
So again, part of why Andrew is because this is
he He will tell you how to do a version
of this scam and sold a million other people. Part
of why take gets away with what he's doing is

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we have built a culture in which every single mass
media organ is largely supported by a variety of scams
and cons designed to suck money from people and provide
them with nothing. Including That's how YouTube makes its money.
This is a huge amount of YouTube's advertising, like is
ship like this. That's why Andrew is able to maneuver

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and act is that our culture has created the space
where it is all nothing but a series of cons
from the top to the bottom. Anyway, let's let's watch
this video now of him talking about how he's going
to be murdered for cracking the matrix to All I'm
trying to do is teach men to be strong. If
they decide to kill me on a long enough timeframe,
they're going to be successful. But I can't. I don't

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want to live in fear because what did I say
in the earlier tenant, if I become a coward, I
will live in fear and it breeds an action is amazing.
I want the world to know that absolutely never ever
kill myself under any circumstances. Ever, no matter what they say,
I did not kill myself. I don't want to be
seen as a threat to have to die. I want

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to be seen as a positive. I'm gonna tell you
right now. Andrew absolutely would commit suicide if he thought
he was never going to get out of prison, just
like John McAfee did. Just like Look, narcissists do this
all the time. He's just hoping that he can rile
people up, get folks angry, maybe inspire some violence on
his behalf. Again, this is a pretty This is part

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of the playbook where he's not being creative at all.
He's just doing a John McAfee, literally doing a McAfee. Yeah, now, true,
toul and I hope he I hope he does the
full McAfee by the way, um um true to form.
Immediately after his request, someone with access to his account
posted a link to Hustlers University three point oh, which

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is the newest phase of his all. He had just
launched this before he got arrested. Now Hustlers University three
point oh lives at the link joined the real world
dot com and on the website is a video made
with clips from the Matrix and some other movies, alongside
clips of Tate and clips of other YouTube stars attacking
him because he was like on Logan Paul Show. And
then when he got arrested, Logan Paul pretended that like

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he hated him. All this good stuff above the video
is the text It's time to wake up Neo join
us a mass wealth escaped slavery Hustlers University. University. Hustlers
University want to learn about Hussel's University. There's a bunch
of rooms to go into and those rooms have a
millionaire professors taught by a million that awesome questions. They

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give you everything on a silver planet of my impossible
to not my moning if you follow up what they see.
Not only having contact with actual multimillionaires, being part of
a community of students helpeat back. It's a community people
that are there for you when you mad. For one thing,

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I've already made my money back after the first day.
I've made five K this month. If I'm just joining,
that's fucking crazy. I made four k in my first month.
I made two thousand bars in to two weeks. At fifteen,

(59:38):
I just made the bucket twens euse dollars and great,
so so fucking cheap all at all, I made about
three thousand dollars. Like, let's to match my nine income.
I shadowed that by five times. That will add days
where I made two or three thousand dollars, And that's
like what I used to make in a month will
allow me. There are so many guys in this video. UM,

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we probably saw like fucking close to a hundred of
them in that first series of just like different clips
of people talking about their experience with Hustlers University. Again,
hundreds of thousands of people who have paid him money
directly and have joyed. All of these dudes are still
on Hustlers University. It is still functioning as far as

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I have heard, UM and presumably still deeply invested in
Tate's success. Like this is not a problem that's over, um,
and it is. You know, we don't we don't know
the court case. Andrew and his brother basically have not
actually been formally charged yet. UM. As a publication of
this episode UM, or at least as of the recording

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of it. They are on a thirty day hold too,
while the Romanian court kind of gets shipped in order
to see what they're actually going to charge them on.
Some of this is just that, like Andrew's obviously a
flight risky his whole videos about all the private jets
that he has access to. UM, so we'll see. I
think there's a chance Andrew has played his last cards,

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although I think there's a chance he winds up getting
out and this has another ugly chapter UM. But there's
a very good chance he's going to do serious prison time,
like ten plus years in Romania. UM. And however, Rabbit
his fan bases. Now, if he spends years in prison,
I think that will dull his appeal. UM. For one thing,
it will make him look like a loser. But in

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the here and now, all we are all left with
the problem of all of these fucking people, these young minds,
these weirdos, these kids that he's influenced. Multiple schools, particularly
in the United Kingdom, have had to hold classes and
seminars on de radicalizing teenage boys who fell through Andrew Tate.
And I'm gonna close this episode by reading a quote
from one of those articles in the Times of London.

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His initial tract attraction to young people, said one teacher,
was often his advice around being confident and financially successful,
and from there he capitalizes on a post me to
anxiety with comments such as females don't have independent thought,
they don't come up with anything. They're just empty vessels
waiting for someone to install the pro gramming. J Jordan,
a teacher in Dundee of five years, said the recent
interest in Tate had made boys more hostile. You used

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to have to deal with sex as stuff, but now
it's explicitly connected to Andrew Tate. The boys do not
stop talking about him, she said. In one class she
reprimanded a fourteen year old You're just a woman, he responded.
Jordan seven said, we've definitely gone backwards and it is worrying.
And that's the fun place to end the the Andrew
Tate cast the tape episodes. How are we? How are

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we doing? Gang? That's just like I said before, it's
I'm scared because there's like hundreds of thousands of boys
and young men who think like this and like they're
they're not They're not in jail, They're not going anywhere,
you know. So like that this mindset and this ideology
is going to continue to be proliferated. And it's it's

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pretty it is terrifying, and it's it's worth noting again
people talking about, like what's the lution. Is throwing him
in prison the solution, and like, no, throwing him in
prison is a tourniquet. Maybe, um, I think it might
stop his ability to grow the way that he would
have grown if it hadn't. Um deep platforming was a
total failure in this, Like kicking him off of ship

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did nothing but increase his reach and his profitability because
of the quote unquote controversy that got you. And the
thing to blame here, there's a couple of things. Number one,
the structure of social media is to blame the structure
of social media in order to stop and Andrew take
it's not getting better a to arresting these guys. It's
changing the structure of social media to not reward the
kind of conflicts that he deliberately incited. In order to

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the fact that like, if you do something super fucked
up and racist and people get angry about it it
increases your reach on every social media app that exists.
Is a huge part of the problem. Um. And the
reason why that will not change is fundamentally, that's how
all of these people make money, whether they're the good Twitter,
the bad elon Twitter Twitter, they all made their money
by making people fight, or by not making people fight,

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but by sharing things that would make people angry so
that they would engage in fights. Um. That's a big
part of what Andrew Tate recognized. The other thing is
the entire structure of the system that we live under, rewards,
cons and grifts. It is all figure out what the latest.

(01:04:23):
As technology increases, there are more opportunities to run versions
of the same old MLM scam that will not be
recognized yet by the government as illegal. Right, So you
get in there as fast as you can, and you
make your money and then you fucking escape. Um. And
this is the way. This is the fucking cryptocurrency thing, right,
This is all that n f T ship. It's this,

(01:04:43):
this the new scam that is really just the old
scam dressed up in enough of a code of paint
that nobody recognizes that like no, none of like the
law doesn't recognize it for a couple of years. That's
all Andrew has ever been doing. That's all he is
purporting to teach you, um. And he just was sloppy
enough with aspects of his life and that that he

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wasn't able to keep doing it long enough, right, Like,
the only reason he got caught is that he bragged
about breaking the laws in Romania and that they weren't
going to punish him. And also he was too good
at becoming famous. If he had stayed a few levels
lower than this, if he'd stayed at like that Alex
Jones level or whatever of of social media influence, even
he probably would have kept getting away with it. But

(01:05:25):
he was so big that it created such a fuss um,
and the Romanian government had to be like, well, look
now he's bragging about sex trafficking, and the euse angry
at us because we already have this problem. Let's destroy
this guy's life um in order to uh, because he
basically forced us to write. If he'd been a little

(01:05:46):
bit less of an idiot, a little bit more careful,
he would have gotten away with it for longer, and
the next one probably will um. Although maybe all of
these guys because their narcissists are unable to kind of
pull back from the ledge before they go over it.
I guess that's the optimistic thing. Maybe fundamentally, the kind
of guy who can do in Andrew Tate is always
going to be so much of an egomaniac that they
can't stop themselves. I don't know. Yeah, I think the

(01:06:12):
way that he's reached his audience should be examined, and
that uh, it's it's truly terrifying. It's truly terrifying the
reach that as and that the Internet basically has rewarded
him for it. Um. I hope these days in jail

(01:06:32):
for a long time and fizzles out, But as we
can see, Andrew Tate clones will just keep popping up. Yeah. Yeah,
And that's that's a scary thing. Like somebody else who
can can just like study this model, find the holes
in it and patch it up and then you know,
you got your next Andrew Tate, you know, four point

(01:06:52):
oh or whatever. And that's what's scary about it is
as long as our current social media ecosystem, this and
and the way news is covered, you know, the as
long as that model exists, somebody is just gonna keep
finding ways to exploit this and and do the same thing.
And uh yeah, it's it's scary. It is scary. But

(01:07:16):
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to how to make their twelve year old cousins illegally
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and thank you for believing me. Would you like to
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