Part Four: The RFK Jr. Episodes

Robert and Cody conclude the story of RFK Jr by talking about how he was directly complicit in the deaths of dozens of children and probably tens of thousands of people across the county.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Also media.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh no, it's a podcast. It's happening to your ears
right now. How can this be? Who did this to you?
Why is this happening? Where is this happening. It's happening
now here in your ears.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I'm Robert Vins.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is behind the Bastards, Cody Johnston with me in
the studio, which is not a literal studio, but a
metaphorical studio, a mind palace, studio that exists purely in
the space between our third eyes. Cody, how are you feeling.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm feeling great in our shared studio, the studio of
our hearts.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yes, that's how we met each other. It was like
a Jedi thing, you know, years before we started working
at Cracked in our mind studio recording our mind.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Wasn't it a website at that point?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
No, No, there weren't websites.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
There weren't websites. We still had that meeting.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
No, we knew each other in the womb, the creative womb. Cody.
How are you feeling about r fks into Part four?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
God, I'm not confident in his ability.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
You don't think this is going to turn out good?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I don't think so. Man, it doesn't bode Well.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
No, we boy. There wasn't a lot of fun stuff
in part three, but there he was still like you
could believe at least at points like, well, it seems
like he's doing better than a lot of Kennedy's are.
There was an element of tragedy to him that gives
you some sympathy. All of that's about to get flushed
down the toilet, Cody. We are now at the part
where he kills hundreds of people.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Oh, Zah, I didn't We did it, Joe, we did it.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
And you know what else? We just did Robert Open, We.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Did the Cold Open. We're done, We're back, We're warmed up.
We're talking about RFK plunging into the last chapter of
the RFK Saga, Yeah, RFK Junior saga. By the very
start of the aughts, RFK Junior seemed to finally have

(02:07):
started figuring out his life and to have moved into
a better place in public. He was a respected environmental
lawyer and assumed Democratic Party stalwart. Oppenheimer's book includes several
quotes from members of the family who are like, again,
thank god he didn't get into politics. He might actually
be happy now, right, He's got a chance, but behind
his image, Bobby was not the man that his fans

(02:28):
or the country hoped. In twenty ten, he started dating
actor Cheryl Hines of Curb Your Enthusiasm fame. The problem
with this is that he was still married to his wife,
Mary Richardson now RFK Junior head. Up to that point
had a tumultuous love life. He had married his first wife, Emily,
and had a child with her in nineteen ninety four.

(02:49):
They broke up later that same year. I assume his
rampant cheting was a significant part of that, because that
is a through line his entire life as a person
who is in relationships. He and Emily, Yeah, it seems reasonable.
So he and Emily break up the same year that
they have their first kid, and he immediately gets married
again to Mary Richardson. Now, Mary is a successful architect.

(03:14):
She is someone who has you know, done very well
on her own. But she is also what has been
described as a Kennedy super fan. Right, she fucking love right,
So that's good. That's not great, that's not great. She's
been obsessed with the family from a young age and
she no.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
That's yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Sorry, sorry, Cody, this story doesn't end well, and she
eventually she made friends with one of Bobby's relatives. That's
how she and Bobby meet, and they have four kids together.
After they get hitched. The two are together a long time,
almost twenty years, but those are not happy years. Mary
battles anarexia. She had battled anarexia earlier in her life.

(03:55):
By the time they get together, she's on this carousel
of medications and therapy that are not always good for
her mental health. She struggles with depression and Bobby's constant
cheating does not help with that. Turns out that does
not make your depression better. Who could have guessed right?
She'll go into these spirals that can last days or weeks,
And a lot of this is not known at the

(04:17):
time of the writing of books like After Camelot, which
cites Bobby's claims about Mary's drinking and her regular violent outbursts.
And if you just were to have gotten from the
book After Camelot, you would assume, well, you know, this
is a bad marriage, and Bobby certainly probably did some
things wrong, but this lady was kind of out of
control and aggressive, and like, poor guy, what else could

(04:39):
he have done? Right? There's no living in that situation.
That's what it would have seemed like from some of
the early reporting on it. Now, more modern reporting, the
stuff coming out now blames Bobby basically for everything that
went wrong in this marriage. So, you know, it's one
of those things where you kind of have two versions
of this story, and one Bobby is mostly a victim.

(05:02):
He's a man trapped in an abusive marriage to a
woman struggling with substance abuse issues and prone to violence.
The other version of the story is that Mary is
somebody with some substance abuse issues, but she is also
somebody who is constantly discovering her husband cheating on her,
sometimes by sexually harassing and assaulting very young women. And yeah,
she hits him sometimes, but she hits them in part

(05:23):
because she is finding out about these really terrible, unforgivable
things that he's done, and she's breaking down right, yeah, yeah,
which you know is a different picture than just well,
she's so out of control because she's depressed that Bobby
couldn't couldn't stand it anymore, Right, Bobby's a much more
active participant in the modern the others of the story.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, there are reasons for this.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, for the behavior now to be clear, the couple's children.
This is also you know, I do think some of
the modern versions of the story have sought to allied
Mary of some of her responsibility, and I don't think
that's entirely accurate, because the couple's kids testify about her outbursts,
which are bad enough that when the divorce process starts

(06:08):
in twenty ten, she's denied unmediated access to the kids. Right,
because she is not in control of herself to an extent,
that is problematic. Right, But all of the times that
she allegedly struck Bobby are not just examples of her
being abusive. They're violent reactions to some pretty horrific abusive
behavior on Bobby's part, And so you get passages like

(06:29):
this and after Camelot quote based on a sworn affidavit
Bobby filed in Westchester County's New York Supreme Court on
September sixteenth, twenty eleven. He had been victimized by Mary
for many years, to the extent that physical abuse was involved.
He testified that early in his marriage to Mary, the
two had a blazing argument over his continued friendship with
his first wife, Emily, during which Mary hit me in

(06:50):
the face with her fist. She was a trained boxer,
and I got a shiner. Her engagement ring crushed my
tear duct, causing permanent damage. He testified that she asked
him to lighter her family about the cause of his
black eye. He also testified to a time in May
twenty eleven when Mary ran over and killed the family's
dog in the driveway. She asked the couple's youngest son,
Aiden to call Bobby and give him the news. When

(07:11):
he asked the crying child to put his mother on
the line, according to Bobby's testimony, Mary demanded that he
come to the house and spend the night there in
order to help her calm down the children. When he hesitated,
she became set and said that if he didn't recommit
to the marriage and call off the divorce, she would
kill herself.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
So the family dog.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I don't think she meant to, but maybe maybe she
try to get Bobby back, like it's just a bad
it's a bad time. Those poor kids, right, those poor kids. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I mentioned earlier that a lot of writing on the
Kennedys is of mixed providence. A lot of it's tabloid
level kind of shit. One of these tabloid level things.
Is a book called Ask Not the Kennedys and the
Women They Destroyed That that title is just a little
I don't know, exploited if to me. This book was
published before though most of the allegations against RFK came out,

(08:04):
was before his presidential run and whatever. And the author
Mariene Callahan claims that the whole horrible story of Mary
hitting the dog with her car happens right after she
finds out about yet another affair. Marine writes that she
was quote so hysterical that she'd run out of the house,
gotten in her car, backed out of the driveway, and
accidentally run over and killed Portsie, the family dog. Now,

(08:26):
some of the pieces of this story were around in
the after Camelot days. You just had to poke a
bit at the edges of the stuff in the mainstream reporting.
And there's even this passage and after Camelot that includes
a quote from Mary during one of her fights with Bobby.
He is a demon. He is a demon. He is
the most evil kind of man in the world. Everything
he does is evil and a fraud. He's a philanderer,

(08:47):
an adulterer, a sex addict.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
I mean that seems exactcurate.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, and this is a Bobby. This is the Bobby
that exists while he's doing all this wonderful stuff at Riverkeeper,
you know, while he's staying sober like this is he's,
among other.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Things, Kennedy stuff, Kennedy stuff, right.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
It's Kennedy stuff. And you know his wife was somebody
who had pre existing mental health issues in this just
absolutely demolished. Yeah right, Yeah. Callahan claims that Bobby tried
to get a therapist to diagnose his wife in order
to like for the court process, right, so that he
could he would he could basically cut her out of

(09:26):
having access to the kids. Yeah, and that's you'll hear
a lot that she had BPD, that she was a
borderline personality disorder. That maybe where the claims of BPD
came in. There's allegations that Bobby basically shopped around for
a doctor. The therapist who spoke to Callahan and said
that he tried to get them to diagnose his wife
basically suggests that yeah, this is this is something he

(09:47):
did for the divorce. He may have basically been bribing
medical professionals. You know, those are allegations made. I can't
speak to their veracity. Here's the next part of that story, though,
as reported in an article recently published in Vanity Fair,
after Kennedy left her, Richardson proposed that she live in
the guest house while Kennedy and Hines lived in the
main house, and that she keep the Kennedy name. He declined,

(10:08):
and then tried to avoid paying her child support, using
his brain fog as a medical excuse for alleged financial straits. Richardson,
her behavior, increasingly erratic, eventually lost custody of the children
to Kennedy. The Kennedy family, including Kerrie, who had once
been like a sister to Richardson, began to distance themselves
from her. On May sixteenth, twenty twelve, Richardson's housekeeper discovered

(10:29):
Richardson hanging from the rafters in the barn.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
That's awful.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, it's bleak. It's a bleak story.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
That's really bleak.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, oh boy, hard I had to laugh on a
podcast about Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
I'm not sure what to say.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
That's just devastating.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, several series of events, and I said, it's poor kids.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah. Mary's family describe RFK Junior's behavior as psychological torture,
and they even try to do a wrongful death suit. Now,
I don't know was he intending to hurt her? You know,
I don't have evidence of that certainly, but his behavior
is like would inevitably cause harm?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Right, Well it's not. It doesn't need to be intentional.
It's just like that's how he's been hit, how he
is in his life, floating through it. Yeah, treating people
in this way, and yeah, doing.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Other people aren't real, YadA YadA, right right, yeah, yeah,
So Bobby and their kids make the decision to have
Mary buried on Kennedy Land, not the place your family
had requested it as a burial plot, And eight months later,
Bobby made the decision to have his ex wife exhumed

(11:45):
and reburied away from everyone else. Very unclear as to why. Yeah,
it's a weird thing and I don't see any good
explanation for this. The author of After Camelot describes this
as like a bleak coda to her whole life story.
You know, Mary had always been a lonely person. Yeah,
it is right, it is like, yeah, yeah, and he

(12:09):
just wants to keep her away, even in death, from
her family, from everyone else.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah. Was it was she relocated to where she was
originally requested to be.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
No no, no, no, no, why what it's unclear? Unclear?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
That's so weird. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah. The the author of After Camelot is basically like
Mary had always been lonely, and now he wanted to
keep her away even further, you know, even in death.
I don't know if that's so cool.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
So he did it for the poetry, like what like.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, he did it for the poetry, just like Byron,
Just like uh, just like Byron.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
That's so all right, great, weird weird move Bobby, like
weird one, what the fuck? Like?

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah. The initial stages of divorce proceedings is the first
time that we get Bobby Kennedy making any claims about
having a worm in his brain. And you saw earlier
right that he's like, well, I can't pay because my
brain fog. I fucked up the finances because my brain
doesn't work anymore because a worm made part of it.
And the fact that this comes out he is repeatedly

(13:18):
lying to his wife and to this, you know, allegedly
lying to this divorce court and is actively divorcing her
has led a number of folks to question if the
brainworm stuff is true. I think there's enough evidence in
here that it's plausible that he has a brain but.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
It's unclear what period of time he got because it
could have been literally any moment of his life. But
he's definitely.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
He's eating bush meat, which is always it's a situation.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
It's uh, it's it's believable. Yeah, he's placed himself in it.
It could be, could be, could be, could be.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
But just because the brainworm is likely doesn't mean he's
always been honest about how he got it. As you
kind of insinuated. In that twenty twelve deposition, Kennedy said
that he had suffered from cognitive issues that had reduced
his earning power. He claimed his doctors initially saw they
saw a shadow on his brain right, that is the worm,
but they thought it was like a tumor maybe, And
he had a planned operation at Duke, but he got

(14:14):
a He says he got to call it from a
doctor at the last minute who was like, no, no,
it's a parasite. But in a YouTube interview the day
after this story broke into the mainstream, he gave a
different version of events, where a random Irish doctor encountered
him and saw his X rays and was like, no, no, no,
I don't think this merit surgery. We just have to
wait to see if it gets better. You know, it's
something else. Anyway, It doesn't matter which version of events

(14:38):
is true, just that like they're kind of different. He
can't keep his story straight in public. Maybe because the
brain worm that ate part of his brain.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, right, the part that remembers where you got the
brain worm was destroyed by the brain worm.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
That's that's the first part that the brain worm. If
you know, straight for that part, it goes straight for
the part of the brain that remembers you have a brain.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
They don't want they don't want you to know where
you got it.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
And then you won't get it again, right, right, They
want you to keep getting those brain worms. That's how
they breathe exactly. Now, it doesn't really matter, you know,
which of these slightly different versions of events is true.
What matters is that, Yeah, he's not keeping his story
straight in public. It's worth noting that, in response to
widespread mirth about his literal brainworms, Bobby wrote this on Twitter.

(15:21):
I offer to eat five for brainworms and still beat
President Trump and President Biden in a debate. I feel
confident in the result even with a six worm handicap.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
One of the better tweets honestly that I love seeing that.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
That's so funny.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
It was the best thing he could post it.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
But it really is very funny.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
It's so good and true, like not on like being
correct about the issues, but in his ability to like communicate.
I think I think you can kind of nail his
confidence there.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
What's extra funny, Robert, is you were writing this while
we were sitting in the RNC convention.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, I didn't disagree. I didn't disagree.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Now it's so good.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I know that. Up to this point, most of the
bastardry in Bobby's life has been confined to his personal life,
with the notable exception of intervening in the Escape murder trial.
But in the early aughts, starting a few years before
Mary's death, Bobby began to get increasingly involved with the
movement that would lead him to causing the greatest amount
of harm so far that he has caused to the world.
The genesis of the problem started with his work at

(16:32):
water Keeper. This is a different environmental nonprofit from river Keeper,
one that focuses on drinking water and fighting back against
corporate pollution of water sources. Some of the cases Bobby
was involved and were focused on mercury levels and migratory fish,
and this led to him studying and reading about the
health consequences of exposure to various chemicals, including mercury. Now,

(16:55):
you don't want to get exposed to mercury. That's not
great for you. I don't know. I know that you're
you're a big mercury guy, but I worry about you.
And it's it's not it's not good for you. It's
less of an health tonic than you might think.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
It's not good for other people, and I don't recommend
it to other people. But I no problem so far.
All right, Well I'm and fine, it's my speak is good.
So don't whatever you said that I remember, all right.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Why don't Why don't you murk out and our listeners
and also take the capitalist equivalent of mercury, which is mercury,
but it's also the products and service sports podcast. It's
just it is just mercury. We're back. God. I love mercury.

(17:45):
I like the way it moves like that. I do
too taste. Yeah, somebody doesn't like mercury and he doesn't
like mercury in part because he thinks it's in vaccines,
and he thinks that like there's like trace different kinds
of chemicals and vaccines, but like in levels that are
not going to be a health threat. You know. It's

(18:06):
like you shouldn't have too much energy, but it's in
your oxygen.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
You'll be okay in the area. Yeah. Yeah, I assume
they would go like, oh, that's too much mercury. We
shouldn't pump people full of that.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah. Yeah, they're aware this is not really a problem,
but Bobby becomes convinced that he is that it is.
And Bobby is not a doctor. Again, he is a lawyer.
And it's not surprising that years of focusing on chemical
exposure and waterways might have transferred over to other things.
Because while he is kind of obsessively fighting and reading

(18:38):
about all of this mercury poisoning, he and Mary have
their first son, Connor, and Connor has a soy and
peanut allergy. These are serious allergies, and you know, RFK Junior,
given all of the family members that have died, is
a man who was primed to be extra upset about
this and perhaps unreasonably obsessed with why it had happened.

(18:59):
So he dedicates himself to figuring out a reason why,
and he lands on mercury exposure as the cause of
Connor's allergies. Right, that this is because he's obsessively reading
about and fighting with corporations about mercury exposure and waterways,
his son gets an allergy. And there is a belief
among certain weird health anti vax types that mercury exposure

(19:25):
in vaccines causes allergies in children. Right, this is a
this has existed for more than twenty years now, this
belief that like these trace chemicals in vaccines are causing
our kids to get develop weird allergies. Because it can't
my son who has this potentially life threatening allergy. That
scares me. It can't just be because some kids have allergies.

(19:46):
There has to be a reason, right, There has to
be something I can crusade against.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
The right I was gonna say, like, this needs to
be some like entity that I can actually go after,
Like it can't just be like, oh that happens. No,
I have a focus, I have a target. I can
use the power of the Kennedys to destroy that target.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Now I want to make it clear that this is
vigorously disproved nonsense. I found a twenty twenty three study
published by the Japan Environment Children's Study Group. They collected
and explored data for more than ninety four thousand mother
infant pairs and looked at how prenatal metallic element exposure
might correlate to food allergies. To make a long story short,

(20:26):
that concluded, quote, no association was found between prenatal mercury
or manganese exposure and the risk of allergic diseases. Right,
that's a very large study. It's not the only thing
you can find on the subject. But there is no
evidence that this is a thing at all, and in fact,
pretty strong evidence that it's not. But Bobby believes in it. Right,
And one of our sources on how kind of obsessed

(20:48):
he is with mercury poisoning during the kind of early
to mid auts is Cooney, that babysitter he harassed who
told Vanity Fair that he told her Connor's allergies were
likely because of vaccines he'd received that had mercury in them.
And you know, Kennedy has claimed later in other writings
that right around the same time he starts meeting with

(21:10):
groups of mothers who start handing him research about like
mercury in the MMR vaccine and how it's causing autism, right,
the original Facebook group, Yeah, the originals, like a mom
handing you a sheef of paper she printed out. You know,
he becomes acquainted with Andrew Wakefield and Wakefield's absolutely disgraced
study that was published in like nineteen ninety eight. But

(21:32):
you know, obviously the fact that this is all nonsense
and that Wakefield is completely disgraced eventually from it doesn't
stop him from becoming you know, famous among a whole
host of Hollywood weirdos like Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey,
and obviously Bobby Kennedy is right there in the center
of it. This is the kind of cause that Bobby
like loves to drag himself towards. You know, he's he's

(21:54):
a Kennedy, so he's not the little guy, but he
gets to be the little guy when he's fighting these
big corporate polls or when he's dealing with you know,
this vaccine conspiracy that's getting mercury into kids, right he
and because he's you know, the Kennedy that he is,
he always has access to the news media even when
he shouldn't. He's friends with the publisher of Rolling Stone

(22:17):
at the time, Jan Winner, and he gets a Winner
to agree along with the editors of Salon to let
him co publish a story to copholish the story he
wrote about vaccines, which is basically him repeating Wakefield's research.
So he gets he gets Rolling Stone and Salon to
dual publish an article written by him in twenty eleven
about how vaccines cause autism. Uh, and they you know,

(22:38):
they have since retracted the paper because of fucking course,
But the fact that it gets out there at all,
it's evidence that just by being a Kennedy he gets
to like skip the line, right he is. He's not
just a guy who gets He often gets portrayed as
just another anti vaxer who got wrapped up in this.
No no, no, he is how anti vax he's part
a big part of how it breaks containment.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
The name he uses to because it would have had
like some editors going through it, yeah, with like rigorous
like actually like looking at like fact checking and stuff
and like.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well, this is who the fuck is this guy?

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Right, Yeah, we're not going to publish this, but it's Kennedy,
so you just publish that. Sure.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
One thing I find myself explaining to a lot of
liberals in the modern era is how they'll hear about
like organic food hippies or like crystal healing types who
have gone hard maga and be like, well, those guys
are like left weirdos, right, Like those guys are weirdos
who are on our side of things, right, That's how
it's always been, And Kennedy is a big Bobby Kennedy
is pulls them out of the left. He is a

(23:37):
big part of that, right because there's so much gravity
to the Kennedy name. As he comes sailing over that
political divideline in our society, he pulls a huge chunk
of like the weird left with him because he's still
this guy who celebrated in progressive circles for his work
and environmental law. So when he takes gets to anti vacshit,
it has a big impact.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah. He also like it's sort of grants like validity
to it. Yeah, even if you weren't like doing all
this publishing stuff and like actually like getting the bad
information out there, he's still just sort of saying like, yeah,
I believe this and I'm mc kennedy, therefore you can
and like it's sort of like give these people that
can have these sort of contradictory positions and like have

(24:19):
you know. Yeah, I don't know. It's it's it's a
real phenomenon.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, it's a it's real, and it's cool and it's good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah, it's all that.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah. Bobby is an important part of the journey of
a chunk of you know, fringe kind of WU culture
over to the right because the myth of the Kennedy
family is a huge deal for everyone in society. Right,
there's a guy, to go back to the Trump shooting
in the when he gets shot, there's a dude standing

(24:48):
directly behind him that thousands of QAnon believers think is
literally John F. Kennedy Junior in disguise because JFK Junior
s didn't die in the plane crash. He's hiding. He's
waiting to Corain King or some shit. Yeah, and that guy,
that fake Kennedy is standing directly behind Trump when he
gets shot at because why not, why not? We're just
doing mad.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Libs and wild like nothing is real.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Nothing is real. Now, the fact that Bobby became a
vocal advocate for anti vax shit has a big impact
and it helps impart a gravitas and credibility to this crowd.
The particular brand of scum who have crusted to the
rim of the anti VAXX movement tend to have precisely
one skill, which is an instinctive knowledge of branding. Once
they see there's a Kennedy in the mix, there is

(25:34):
a feeding frenzy over who gets to be his friend? Right, Like,
this guy could take us everywhere.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
We want to go.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Like like, let's see who can win in a scrum
to actually get to like be his best buddy. And
the winner here is Dell big Tree. Great name for
a weirdo vaccine conspiracy theorist. Dell is a former TV
producer who has in recent years become a regular guest
on the Alex Jones Show. I mostly encountered Dell before

(26:02):
this through the podcast Knowledge Fight, which chronicles Jones. Dell
is also the CEO of the Informed Consent Action Network.
And if you know now that we know something about
Bobby Kennedy, there's no he should If he's involved with
an organization, it absolutely shouldn't be The Informed Consent Action
Network he's not great on informed consent.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Maybe he can take a seminar, Yeah, like he should
take learn something from them. But maybe he shouldn't be
heavily involved.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, he shouldn't be helping to run things. Dell produced
the documentary Vaxed. Dell has no relevant medical training. He
has absolutely no reason to be talking about any of
this stuff. But he did once produce a TV show
called The Doctors, And that really is all it takes.
With the chuck of the country, all it takes.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
God, we're so cooked, We're so doomed.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, we we we they were a little doomed. We
might be a little doomed.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
But it's maybe it'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, maybe it'll be okay. Maybe we're all getting out.
Maybe we're gonna shake all this off like a fever,
you know. Yeah, A man can dream, a man can hope.
As I stated earlier, Dell hads an instinctive understanding of
pr and how to do the slow work of ideological capture.
He focused on doing rallies and outreach to communities that
were primed for an anti vaccine message. Hasidic Jewish synagogues

(27:24):
were a particular favorite of his. Kennedy gave him inroads
into an even larger community, Americans who still thought back
mournfully to the what could have been of Camelot. Big
Tree connected Kennedy to Wakefield, and the three did numerous
appearances together. RFK Junior starts writing anti VAXX books with
titles like vax unvaxed, Let the Science Speak. And I

(27:46):
don't know how much of these he's actually writing. Again.
It's kind of like that thing with his thesis. Is
he just he puts out so many books. He's like
more than one a year. Sometimes I kind of think
he's just paying people to write books for him. And
he's like, it doesn't matter, matters. Is that the Kennedy
names on it, you know, and I agree with the message?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah? Or the worms working overtime.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Or that worm, that poor worm. Just I'm really starting
to feel sorry.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
For the word sleepless nights for that worm just hunched
over the brain.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
The typewriter just chain smoking cigarettes out in the mountainous
Corpus colosum.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Well that's where the brain flog came from. Cigarettes and
the star.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh fuck. By this point, RFK Junior is firmly flirting
with the fringes, but this stuff had also not been
politicized like it is today. Every mainstream political figure was
against the anti vax weirdos, right. George W. Bush was
not a big anti vax guy, right. And so during
that kind of period, it's not super obvious which political

(28:53):
party you would want to be on. If you're this
kind of weirdo, right, you're certainly not necessarily gravitating towards
the Republican Party. Right up to the early two thousands,
RFK Junior still hung out with Bill Clinton on occasion
and counted himself a member of the liberal elite. Vanity
Fair traces the moment when this changed to twenty fourteen
quote Kennedy married Hines in a wedding attended by a

(29:14):
glittering array of friends, including Larry David and Julia Luis Dreyfuss,
and moved to Los Angeles. The move marked a reinvention
of sorts, distancing Kennedy from his East Coast network and
perhaps removing some of the built in guard rails that
had tempered his worst impulses. In addition to consulting for
companies seeking his environmental Seal of Approval, he chaired the
five oh one C three nonprofit Children's Health Defense, which

(29:35):
began in two thousand and seven under the name World
Mercury Project and inveighed against vaccines and fluorite in the water.
So he moves to Hollywood, and that's kind of what
cuts cuts the tethers to reality for this guy. Obviously,
some of this is Larry David's fault. I think none
of us is surprised of that. You know, whenever anything
evil happens in the world, I assume Larry David's got

(29:57):
some involvement, and it is somewhere up in there. Isn't
somebody offered, Yeah, Larry David and Darfur. There's an episode
of Curve on that. Probably not Probably shouldn't do that anyway.
The World Mercury Project had been founded in two thousand
and seven and today under the name Children's Health Defense.

(30:17):
Bobby presides as chairman over a fifteen million dollar a
year organization. They particularly target new parents and minority communities.
During the start of the COVID nineteen pandemic, they launched
a media campaign to argue that COVID was not, in
fact very dangerous and people should avoid the vaccine at
all costs. They are particularly pushing this in black communities.

(30:39):
The PCHD targets Black Americans with propaganda, comparing the COVID
vaccine to the Tuskegee syphilis study. Basically, Bobby's like, hey,
you know how you don't trust the government because it's
fucked you around. Why would you take this vaccine? Just
kind of raw dog COVID. It'll be fine. It's better
than letting the government experiment on you. It's not just

(31:00):
you know, Bobby's shit that feeds into this. There's a
lot of socioeconomic stuff. So it's hard to say how
much of this is Bobby's doing, how much of vaccine
hesitancy in the United States is Bobby doing? But the
CCHD is like people who have gone in and looked
at social media will note that propaganda spread by the
HD is some of the whitest spreading anti vaccine, and

(31:21):
like anti COVID nineteen sane reasonable prevention statistics propaganda that
goes out on the Internet, it spreads incredibly widely. Right,
So you can't really say, here's how many people Bobby
killed by doing this, but I would argue that by
any reasonable stretch of the imagination, he beats Ted's chap equitic.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Count, right right.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, Yeah, drug driving maybe the least dangerous thing that
Kennedy's to get involved in.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah. Analysis by NBC News claims that the HD is
one of the top three sources of fake news about
the coronavirus vaccine on the entire internet. So yeah, I mean, basically,
by any argument, there's a body count. RFK has very significant.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
There's some sort of negative health count regardless like hurt people, yeah,
or prevented and prevented them from, yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Prevented them from not getting hurt from like seeking you know,
basic reasonable ill for their situation.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
And telling them apparently that COVID's fine and you should
feel fine getting it, which again, the community did get disproportionately.
Maybe that is bad.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, And if we want to talk about like the
greatest harm that he or the clearest harm that he's done,
the easiest body count we can draw to him, that's
going to bring us to twenty eighteen and the Samoan Islands.
Have you heard this story, Cody, I don't think so.
Oh boy, this is bad. This is a real bad one.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah. I don't think I have I don't know, do
I want to.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Oh boy, oh boy, Cody. In twenty eighteen, two children
in the Samoan Islands died after catastrophic reactions to the
MMR vaccine. Now that is how it was spun initially, right.
The reality is that two nurses fucked up horribly in
administering the vaccines and dosed both children with massive quantities
of expired muscle relaxers. Now, oh, this is a terrible thing. Right, Yeah,

(33:19):
it's evidence that there's issues with those nurses, that there's
probably issues with the facilities. Right, this happens, that a
lot does need to change, Right, Like, you don't just
let you know, just go like, well, sometimes shit happens, Right,
this is evidence of serious breakdowns and right, how this
process ought to work. Yeah, But RFK Junior takes it
is like, this is proof that the vaccines that I
blame for my son's allergies are a threat to life

(33:41):
and limb. Right. So he throws himself and his organization
all of their resources into spreading anti vaccine propaganda just
in Samoa. Right, And because he's a Kennedy and because
he's got a shitload of money to spend on this
ad campaign, people listened. The Samoan Prime Minister was not
used to dealing with social media campaigns at this scale

(34:01):
and sophistication. The rapid outcry cultivated by rfk's organization caused
him to announce a halt to the administration of the
MMR vaccine across Samoa. Because of this campaign, he launches
the Samoan government stops rolling out the MMR vaccine, right.
They put a pause on it basically in June of Yeah,

(34:22):
and this is going to have a pretty catastrophic result.
In June of twenty nineteen, Kennedy and his new wife,
Cheryl Hines flew to Samoa for a press blitz and
a private meeting with the Prime Minister. Now, this is
a great time for Bobby, But while he schmoozed measles
was starting to percolate throughout the community, infecting huge numbers
of now unvaccinated little kids. In months, there was an epidemic,

(34:46):
infecting nearly six thousand people and leading to eighty three deaths.
The vast majority of those deaths are extremely young children.
These are eighty three deaths that we can tie directly
to Bobby Kennedy.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
They halted vaccines generally, well, no, the MMR vaccine, Okay, okay, Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Which is measles, momps and rebelt.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Robert Ofitt, a member of the FDA Advisory Committee who
analyzed the epidemic, later concluded, Robert F. Kennedy Junior had
everything to do with that, And it shows you how
disinformation can kill, so that.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
He kills people killed, all the reasons. He's like, literally
the reason that those kids are dead. That's so fucked up. Yeah,
he gave those kids measles, he got.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Them, he m. Bobby, Yeah, what do you even say
at a certain point, Bobby, Bobby said, Bobby.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Like, you didn't? Why did you? Does he care this happens?
Is he like does he know understand? Does he understand
that this happened? Knows?

Speaker 1 (35:57):
And he doesn't think it's his fault in this life?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
That Cody, we're getting to that, but first let's get
to some ads. Then we'll come back. Okay, Okay, we're back. Wow,
And you know what, I after listening to those ads,
my opinion is completely different, Cody. Let's let's get the
the MMR vaccines sucked out of our bodies.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
No, I think we have to.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'm back on board. Thank you, Thank you rfkju.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
I'm gonna say, no.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Sophie, what's what we're doing. I got a vacuum rigged
up on reverse.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
I don't want allergies.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah no, I'm gonna cut my arm, suck out the blood,
filter out the MMR, and squirt it right back in.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Sophie, don't make me put rotting meat in your.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Fridgebody as somebody with a ship ton of allergies.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Give me that vaccine from experience.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
So that Samoan epidemic was so devastating that the Prime
Minister reversed core declarity state of emergency and put a
vaccine mandate in place. Good people started getting vaccinated again.
The measles epidemic ended. While any reasonably humble and aware
person would have recognized at this point, oh, I have
fucked up in an unforgivable way, right, Obviously my actions

(37:18):
caused this, and obviously as soon as they stopped listening
to me, it got better. Welp, I fucked up, right,
But duh, yeah, yeah, that's not what happens. Because Cody
being a Kennedy I means you only have to listen
to reality when it sends a bullet your way, right
like that is that is the essence of this family, and.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
So not the lesson to learn. Man, so many better
lessons from all.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
This, Yeah, quite a few of them. RFK Junior ignored
the fact that he had gotten his way, children had died,
and his whole ideology of vaccine hesitancy had been shredded.
When confronted by a filmmaker for an upcoming documentary, Bobby
refused to even acknowledge what he'd done. I had nothing
to do with people not vaccinating in Samoa. I never
told anybody not to vaccinate.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
What how can he do that?

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Like, like I said, you just told.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Him the vaccine was dangerous and whipped them up into
a frenzy.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Were allowing a man not taking responsibility for his own actions.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Oh my what Yeah, it's can't do that. You can't
say that, I mean, you can't like the worm. Yeah,
I didn't tell them how to take it. I just
said if they did, they die exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I just told him it was going to kill their kids.
You know, not my fault that they acted based on that.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Now with this campaign with a fucking like organization that like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Your multi million dollar propaganda.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Are Bobby Robert, It's just so interesting that the like
selective choice. He has to understand what his last name
means to people, like the fact that he Kennedy saying
to people, don't do a thing, Like he forgets the
weight of that. He forgets that, like people take that
name seriously and he's like, what me who people did?

(39:07):
Couldn't have been what?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
But he totally knows because he uses it all the time.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
But he's investedt using Yeah, selective choice. I mean, look,
as a man, we're all good at that, right, Like
that's that's really the superpower of our Wow, Sophie. I mean,
I don't disagree, but you shouldn't say it on the air.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
You can't just say that.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
I selectively say it. Not all of your cash, except
all of your it's too bad.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
So if he twitter already heard you say the first thing, they.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Are they are angry, they're not happy.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
They're going to lose their mind, really tired of listening
to men lie.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
But it's so easy, and I know, easy to get
away with. You should see what I'm doing in Samoa
Jesus boy.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
But at least you tell me the truth about that.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah I did.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
That's that's good.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
At least so In subsequent conversations, Kennedy would suggest that
the measles epidemic had in fact been caused by the vaccines.
We also claimed that allowing dozens of people to die
by inciting vaccine hesitancy was an experiment quote to measure
health outcomes following the national the natural experiment created by
the national respite from vaccines. And if that's the case,

(40:26):
I'd say we learned what happens when you have a
natural respite from vaccine. Yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Experiment. You need to get in the lab again, Bobby,
the lab being like fucking the world, Like, I.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Think we might need to do another experiment. No, I'm
not going to make a Kennedy assassination reference, but you
know what I was gonna say.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
But there's like the implication, was there, Yeah, Robert, Bobby.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
It's always Bobby's So.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
That's infuriating. We will, that's like, just do it and
if anything like because he said he didn't do it,
he didn't do it, and didn't even do it, do
it that and then he's like, well, yeah, I did it.
It was experiment and it fucking ruled.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
What are these two thoughts you have?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Like you is wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (41:13):
What's fucking wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
He's such a piece of ship. Now, you know. Again,
in an ethical society, I think the way you would
deal with this guy would involve a catapult and the sea.
I think you would catapult him into the sea, right,
I think we should catapult more people into the sea.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
A large lake.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah sure, maybe one of the Great.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Lakes, really really big lake.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
But yeah, yeah, we've got we've got some big legs.
We have options for bodies of water to catapult people into.
But in our society, that's not how we punish this
sort of thing. Instead, Kennedy was feted by some of
the wealthiest and most influential celebrities around. He got to
guest on the Joe Rogan podcast, and he published six
books of vaccine disinformation and donations to his charity doubled. Yeah. Yeah, sorry,

(42:00):
I just don't. I don't think you're able to write
all those You.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Don't think you're doing that, man, Just do too, Like
that's plausible, And held.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
An outline and had a ghost writer come in.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
They wrote the titles for these books.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah maybe God, And they're not good.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Titles, of course they're not.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Now, Kennedy has also made repeated statements that he believes
in a link between vaccines and autism. I should not
need to explain that this is whoy. The reason why
autism rates seem to have skyrocketed is that it wasn't
the thing that we diagnosed or recognized for a very
long time. So when you start to realize that it
is one thing, it will look like there's a surge
in it. That's not what's happened. Right, Yeah, oftentimes kids.

(42:39):
You know that we now know our children who have autism,
you would diagnose them look like one of a dozen
other things.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Right, pattern recognizing, categorizing species. We like categorizing things and
then recognizing pat.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
We like that, but we do not like critical rational thought.
Not our favorite thing. No, Yeah, or are K Junior
has stated that increase in autism rates is a literal holocaust.
Now you might notice there's some stuff that's messed up
about that because the Holocaust killed people and children with
autism are alive.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
That's a good point. Thank you for bring that up.
Children are doing fine. Yes, they're not dead. They're living
full and happy lives. I what a fucking weird thing
to say, What a weird thing?

Speaker 2 (43:30):
It's especially weird because he can't keep to one side
of the Holocaust comparisons, because he is also compared being
a wealthy anti vaxer who gets to go on the
most influential media programs in the world, as being like
Anne Frank.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
He's a victim of the Hall And I know what
you want to say.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Stuck in the attic of Joe Rogan's fucking podcast.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Like fucking like attic is fucking above a studio and
like below.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, yeah, what if and Frank had been one of
the most influential media personalities of her.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Day, I gotta go on this billion dollar podcast.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah, And also what if no one had ever tried
to hurt her?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Also, I don't know, have you heard, but I'm a Kennedy.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah yeah, and she had half a billion dollars. Other
than that, great comparison.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
And like just sexually harassing everybody he meets.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, there's a lot of reasons not to compare him.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
A lot of reasons Frank. Also a lot of reasons
not to say that kids with autism are like victims
of the Holocaust.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah. Ah, it's great.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
He's like I never you know, like from the beginning obviously,
but like, man, he really ramped it up.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, no, he does. He does. By the end here,
we're fully of like world class piece of shit terrator. Now.
Bobby and his organizations also did a lot to spread
conspiracy theories that COVID is somehow ethnically targeted against people
who are not Jewish or Chinese, a thing that is
not possible. All this disinformation caused him to suffer my
old consequences during that brief shining period in the early pandemic,

(45:10):
when some social media sites occasionally punished people for trying
to spread vaccine hesitancy. Right Meta banned his Instagram account
once the COVID pandemic took off, and Kennedy sued the
Biden administration for this, blaming them based on absolutely nothing whatsoever,
for pressuring Zuckerberg.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Oh you need to get Matt Tybee on the case.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, maybe Joe Biden got me banned from Instagram.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
The Instagram files, Mark, we got a good I don't
know if.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Zuck can be fucked like that.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
No, he like, he's certainly not going like it's just.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
I'm sorry, I just sat with that statement.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
I'm reacting to everything. It's a collective face, it's a ah,
you wouldn't get pocked like that, though, You're right, Yeah,
I don't know. Man, Go call Joe Biden. You're a Kennedy. Like,
go ask Joe Biden.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
You're a Kennedy. Yeah. With that patented Kennedy magic, Bobby
turned getting banned into a cause worthy of breaking his
lifelong absence from personal involvement in electoral politics, and he
turned it into the core of his presidential campaign. Vanity
Fair quotes a relative of saying social media was his stash.
In banning his account put him into withdrawal. If so,

(46:32):
we might see his present campaign as a relapse. Bobby
Kennedy is now shooting up the heroine of political prominence.
Multiple sources have noted that he remains obsessed with the
loss of eight hundred thousand followers, for which he blames
Joe Biden. I found one New Yorker interview where the
journalist pointed out, Hey, you're like one of the most
vocal and heard men on planet Earth, with access to

(46:54):
like the Joe Rogan Show and everything. How how do
you claim that you're persecuted? And he responded, I am
since I declared for president, but before that I was deplatformed.
I was deplatformed completely from eight hundred thousand followers were
taken for me on Instagram at the behest of the
White House again house. No, there's a thing that happens,

(47:18):
can happen with addicts when after an extended period of sobriety,
a damn breaks, and with Bobby, the damn breaking let
out a flood of narcissism. Right, he doesn't fall back
into drugs as far as we know, but he's treating
fame and social media that way right up to.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
His arm, right totally. Yeah, I don't want, you know,
don't need to go on a tangent, but like I
feel like Russell Brand still a lot with that exact
thing of like, yep, you replace it with conspiracies or
right now it's catholicism, but you know you need to
fill that space. Yeah, And there are a lot of

(47:55):
unhealthy options out there that are that exists in order
to keep you there, right, I mean to make it.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Right, that are made to be addicted.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
They're designed for that exact thing.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, Yeah, that's that's exactly right. So one of the
things that Bobby can't accept that I think plays into
all this is that he is now an old man.
You know, he hasn't aged, didn't I would say prior
to this, you wouldn't say he'd aged terribly. But he's
an old man, right and when he you know, so
he starts, he starts shooting up steroids. Basically right when

(48:26):
he comes out to announce his presidential campaign in April
of twenty twenty three, people who had known him for
years were shocked by how he looked. He's all puffy
and bloated with steroids. He says that he's on organic testosterone, which, like,
you're just on gear, man, You're just on gear. I'm sorry,
it doesn't matter if the gear is organic. My meth amphetamines.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Organic, all natural.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
It's not. It's just you're on test brother, Like, and
I'm sure you're on other shit, but like, come on.
One close family friend described him as unrecognizable now Bobby's
presidential campaign, whar's the drag of an independent grassroots effort,
but there's funding behind it from some of the most
powerful and wealthy people in this country. His VP pick
is Nicole Shanahan, who you may not know much about,

(49:11):
but she is the ex wife of Sergey Brinn and
got the job because she has ex wife of Sergei
bren money that she can throw into the campaign. Vanity
Fair explains that additional funding came from quote Timothy Mellon,
an heir to the Mellon banking fortune, who has given
thirty million dollars the super Pack supporting Kennedy while also
giving fifty million to Donald Trump's campaign, an alignment of

(49:31):
interests that critics suspect the strategic financing Kennedy's campaign to
draw votes from Joe Biden and therefore boost Trump. His
campaign manager is his own daughter in law, Amaryllis Fox,
a former CIA agent and wife of Bobby the Third,
himself an actor and screenwriter who once ran a website
dedicated to fact checking political statements. The two meditt burning
Man is just the most incredible group of people.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
H to see that. I got to sentence this stone add.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
No, of course not. In the immediate wake of the
assassination attempt, Trump, who back in May had called Bobby
a wasted protest vote, started calling for him to receive
Secret Service protection. Now to be Frank, I don't disagree
with this. I think another dead Kennedy would not improve
the sanity of our domestic political situation. Yeah, But the
aftermath of that led Trump to reach out to RFK

(50:22):
Junior personally. The two had a phone call, which Kennedy
filmed himself taking for reasons that are somewhat unclear, but
very likely related to the brain worm.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
I mean it's usually that right, like Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
An article by the AP describes the scene. The video
shows Kennedy listening on a speaker phone as Trump shares
disproven claims about childhood vaccines, an issue that has helped
Kennedy amass a loyal following. Trump also appears to pitch
Kennedy on endorsing his campaign. I would love you to
do so, Trump tells Kennedy, and I think it will
be so good for you and so big for you,
and we're going to win. Kennedy leaked the video of

(50:57):
this call again for unclear reasons. I'm not sure why
it got out. Subsequent reporting has provided us with more details.
In a shock to those who saw our FK Junior's
campaign as a Trump op, the calls apparently featured Bobby
begging for a quid pro quote job in exchange for
endorsing Trump, and doing so to such a blatant extent
that it worried Trump's staffers. Right, they were probably okay

(51:20):
with actually giving him something, but the way he mentioned it,
they were like, well, shit, if he's recording this or something,
we could be in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, which, you know, it's probably why he was recording it.
I guess maybe maybe.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Now our FK Junior wanted to secure himself a post
overseeing health and safety in the next Trump administration. Discussions
between the two during this recorded call included possible jobs
he could get at the Cambinet level because that doesn't
require Senate confirmation, and this would have been an exchange
for Kennedy dropping out and endorsing Trump. Further information has
since come out that provides, I think a concrete idea

(51:55):
of what Bobby would seek to do if given a
position of power in a presidential adm minute, and unfortunately,
it's something that gels all too well with some of
the plans members of the fascist right have already put forward.
In a virtual Latino town hall last week, Kennedy floated
the idea of wellness farms, which is these are basically
American gulags, right. He wants you to be able to

(52:17):
send drug addicts and people who are on antidepressants for
years of mandatory work therapy. Right, not just people who
are like convicted of drug possession, but people who are
on eighth D meds. He describes the goal of these
facilities as to reparent people. And of course, since Kennedy
believes cell phone radiation is poisonous, people in turned in
these camps would not have access to the Internet or

(52:38):
any way to communicate to the outside world. So that's cool,
good Nabel.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
It's so I mean, he's not the only one. This
is so blatant and weird and like it's just so funny.
So many people on the right just trying to like
portray themselves as like, you know, we're like the Party
of Freedom, and then half their ideas are like, well,
put people in camps obviously to work, but also people
they can't vote, sure, like we we should only have

(53:14):
like the head of the household vote or whatever it is.
Where it's just like so anti the thing they are
desperately trying to pretend that they are. I don't know
if it's going to work for that long. Yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
If I don't know either. It seems like very suddenly
it may have stopped working as well. I guess we'll
see how long this vibe shift lasts, but we'll see.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
I think it, like so so many things coalesced at
the same time, but like Biden just kind of fading
into the background really opened things up. I think for
people to realize, like, oh, look at these freaks and
look at the flawed but mostly normal people. Yeah, and
really really up that contrast, because when you contrast the

(54:00):
freaks with like this old goat, it's like, what can
you say. I don't know. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see
if it lasts.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
We'll see if it lasts, you know. I do think
it's interesting. I'm kind of compelled by what we've seen,
like because it seems like there's some evidence that people
within Trump world, or people backing him, if not the
campaign itself, wanted to push and support Bobby because they
thought he could take enough votes away to hurt Biden.
And it kind of seems like a lot of the

(54:30):
evidence suggests he takes more votes from Trump, and I'm
kind of under I'm wondering if what we've saw what
we saw from Trump offering him this job as like
a result of kind of panic over that. We we
we set that we thought we had control of this guy,
and specifically we thought we had control of how he
was going to like play in the world.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Yeah, he's gonna he's running as a Democrat that he's
independence so he's going to take some Democrats, but like
the Democratic Party generally, and the electorate kind of rejected
him generally.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah, so yeah, not work. He's yeah, he's kind of
gone rogue. So I don't know, maybe we'll see how
that works.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
We'll see. It is funny how like they they keep
doing that, like they keep sort of like realizing like,
oh wait, we miscalculated all this, Like from like honestly
from the day after we recorded Part one and two,
from like that moment on, it's just been like they
don't know what they're doing. They don't know how to

(55:25):
react to anything that happens, they don't know the messaging
they need to go forward with any event, and it
just seems like a like a two to three week
long just sort of like crumbling this, you know, house
of what's flimsier than cards, it's the house of posted toilet.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yeah, they thought that they crammed the whole, right, is
this coalition of all of the weird, the like the
bad weird in this country. And they crammed it into
a tiny sack, and you know, it felt like it
had enough weight to it that they could swing it
and do some damage. But as soon as the sack
breaks open, like now now there's just nutso ship everywhere,
and people it's every at the guy who was swinging

(56:08):
the sack, and there's an element of.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Like, oh, they're just they're just swinging the sack at
like this old guy who like, understand I don't.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Really like him. This isn't my problem, right.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Yeah, yeah, but no, that guy's gone. Now it's just
like quld swinging your sack around this get what are
you doing?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah? Yeah, that's wrong with you.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I should note before we leave, the entire Kennedy family
basically has disavowed Bobby, all of his siblings that are
left alive. Everybody has been like and he got he
got pushed out of River Keeper to his involvement with
these charities because they were like, you can't one day
come on and be like climate change is real, we
have to deal with it, and then the next day
be like vaccines aren't real, right, Like you're you're you're

(56:54):
hurting the cause at this point by being tied to
this ship.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
So I mean, does he even say that climate change
is real anymore?

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I don't know if you said it lately, because he's
like talked about it in the past Al Gore did
the four book.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, it just seems like it's something he would, you know,
like there's that group of people who've like kind of
uh gravitated towards like, well it's not it's either like
it it is real, but it's not a big deal,
or like it was a big deal but we kind
of fixed it so we don't need to do anything
about it anymore. Yeah, curious about that camp, but me too.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yeah, well, Cody, that's the Showdy.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
You did it?

Speaker 2 (57:36):
How you doing.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Now? I'm great? Thanks so much for the show, toy
and the knowledge of Uh, I learned too much about
this guy.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
We all know too much about this guy.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Now, no career you're interested in getting a pet hawk.
I just feel like.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
A little bit like, thank you so much. I think
that my talk and Kat would not enjoy that. I
would love it if Bobby just started carrying the Hawk
around like a hawk and become a hawk guy like that. Yeah,
at least then, yeah, there's something fun about it instead

(58:18):
of just like, well, it's kind of killing people and
lying about it, except for all of the killing getting
babysitters to oil them up.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
God ah god, well but only her, he only ever
did to her. So yeah, yeah, anyway, Well.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
We're anyway, thanks for having me. Check me out online,
Doctor Jacody. On social media. I've got a podcast called
even More News and a web YouTube show called Some
More News. It's every Wednesday usually. We just did an
episode about Tim Poole. We got some Jordan Peterson climate

(59:02):
change stuff coming up. I don't know when this is
gonna come out. I have a band called the Hot Shapes.
We're on bandcamp and SoundCloud. Check it out and listen
to stuff.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Check out a cool Zone Media's newest show, hosted by
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Speaker 2 (59:26):
I'm done, I'm tired. I'm gonna go nap.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Goodbye. Yeah, me too. Hi.

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