Part One: Gary Young: The Fake Doctor Who Drowned His Own Baby

In Episode 62, Robert is joined by comedian Billy Wayne Davis to discuss lunatic fake doctor, D. Gary Young. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hmm, what's cracking? Mcdry walls. I'm Robert Evans. This is
Behind the Bastards, the show where every week I try
a new introduction and Sophie tells me it does not
work out. This is also the show where we talk
about the very worst people in all of history. And
with me today is Billy Wayne Davis, comedian. That's I
see why he wanted more? Will we usually introduce a

(00:23):
show or something, They're like, you want some more? I
was just say comedian, But now I fuck up your thing.
You can plug anything you want, just random just see
me live. How about see Billy Wayne Davis Live. B
w D tour dot Com, b w D tour dot com.
See there we go. Now that's a plug. There we go.
That's a plug. Solide. I'm probably not more famous than

(00:46):
I am. Well, maybe the story of the guy we're
about to talk about today, we'll teach you how to
uh to self promote, because we are speaking today about
one of the great all time self promoters, man who
would not give up on his dream of being a
doctor without ever getting any sort of training uh in
how to uh do medicine. Oh, he just wanted respect. No,

(01:09):
he just really wanted to try out stuff on people's bodies. Okay, yeah,
we're talking about Gary Young. You ever heard of Gary Young? No,
I'm excited about this. No, I haven't you ever heard
of Young Living essential oils. I've heard of essential oils
because I live in Los Angeles, right right. And the
reason you've heard of essentials, the reason they're like a

(01:29):
big thing in our culture in this country is Gary Young.
He's generally considered to be the father of essential oils.
You know, obviously go bick thousands of years. But did
he come up with that too? Was that his line? Yeah,
but it's it's accurate to like he's a he's a scammer.
But he did start the first big scam essential oil
company that they have all descended from. Like he he

(01:50):
turned it into a trend. So he is the Okay,
that's one of the few things he's like, I'll be damned,
I am. Yeah, I can say that. I am. I am.
He's not the father of Uh well, we'll talk about
what happened to his baby in a little bit. On
June eighteen, the Christian Broadcasting Network published an obituary for
a dude most people listening to this have not heard

(02:12):
of until now Donald Gary Young. Here's how the CBN
described his life. Quote. Young spent thirty five years studying
the benefits and perfecting the extraction of essential oils while
building a billion dollar global business designed to share what
he deemed the gift of essential oils with millions of people.
So sharing his gift, sharing his gift. That's how you
get to be a billionaire. You do by sharing your

(02:33):
gift for a nominal feature. Yes, that's that part. I
always forget the last part. I'm like, here's my gift,
and often by like sharing access for people to be
able to sell your gift or really what it is
is about. It's about letting people sell access to selling
your gift to other people. Yes, because that's where the
real money is. He's the father of that. Yeah, but

(02:55):
for essential oils. You know that scam has been going
on longer than him. But he was like, what if
we apply that to things that smell nice? That's not dumb.
I'm not mad at him. He's not a dumb guy.
He did recognize that market, He did recognize a market
that was his true talent, and as you will find out,
his talent was not medicine. The obituary describe Young as

(03:16):
a modern pioneer, part inventor, and part historian. In the
June episode of The Essential Edge, the magazine for Gary's company,
Young Living, his wife wrote, quote, God was his foundation
and his word was his bond. To let anyone down
was to disappoint God, and he wasn't about to do that.
He called the Bible his owner's manual. What does he
mean by owners that God owns him? Yeah? Is that?

(03:39):
What that means is God and this is my owner's manual. Oh,
you know, actually, considering what the story we're about to tell,
that that seems like a little more fitting to the
actual life Gary Young lived. But I'm gonna guess the
literal meaning is that, like, you know, I'm a servant
of God and this is the book that tells me
what he wants me. That's what he's saying. But he's

(04:00):
in my head. He's like, I'm the dude. I'm the dude,
and this book tells me how to be. Yeah, he
definitely believed he was the dude. Now, we don't know
a tremendous amount about Gary Young's early life. I picked
him for this episode because multiple fans on Twitter and
read it suggested him. They all linked to lurid, redded
threads and personal blogs that alleged to string a fucked
up crimes by Gary Young. I was intrigued, but there

(04:21):
was a problem. Most of the evidence about Mr Young
was held in thoroughly disreputable corners of the Internet. So
I had to do a lot of weird digging on
this guy to figure out exactly what I could back
up and what I couldn't. And I'm staking that up
front because it was a pain in the ass and
I hope everybody appreciates it was frustrating. There was a
lot of cool details I couldn't report on because it's
like I couldn't find any backup for that to this day.

(04:42):
To this day, I just couldn't find any evidence of
these are stories, but no one knows if it's exactly.
There's a lot of that. Like the stuff I could
verify is fucking crazy, But like there's other stuff that
I would love to be able to talk about that
we just can't get into. That's kind of impressive, Like
to be live and die in two thou eighteen and
like most of your past not be available. Yeah, some

(05:06):
of It may just be that I don't think the
State of Washington has done a bang up job digitizing
all of their records from the eighties. Um. But yeah,
we'll talk about that a little bit later. So uh.
Gary was born in nineteen in Idaho. He grew up
dirt poor. Literally, his cabin had a dirt floor and
no running water or electricity. He and his parents and

(05:26):
his five siblings lived in a thirty by thirty ft cabin. Five. Yeah,
I'm guessing it was a mental image here. Yes. As
the young adult, Gary bought a small farm in Spokane
and started working the land there. In his early twenties,
he was doing some logging when a tree fell on
top of him. It shattered his skull, ruptured his spinal cord,
and broke nineteen bones. He fell into a coma, like

(05:48):
you do, and when he woke up after a couple
of days, the doctors were like, you're never gonna walk again. Bra.
So next Gary did what a lot of people would
probably do in his position, and he tried to kill
himself twice. He failed. So next he did the sort
of thing nobody does and decided to go on a
fast and consume nothing but water and lemon juice for
a hundred or two hundred and forty three days. That's

(06:09):
just how long it took until he started to feel
his toes again. No, so if you, dear listener, have
been paralyzed from I don't even know if he ever
had an accident. This is just the story he tells.
There's no there's no outside verification of this. But this
is the story that Gary Young tells about his life. Okay, Okay,
that makes more everything you were saying just then. I

(06:32):
was like, what the fuck I do know? I know
a lot of like I said, you know, we both
did grow up in the South. I'm sure you do.
To know a lot of people who had farming accidents
and mostly they just get addicted to oxy. Now, back
then it was just like just that old It was
just cigarettes and beer. Yeah, cigarettes and beer. It never
ran into anyone who drank nothing but water and lemon
juice and regained feeling in their toes. It does sound

(06:54):
like also what I believed it was like Northwest. Yeah. Yeah,
then they're like, yeah, well if you eat this play
for forty eight days, you you grow a new nose.
That is a very Washington thing to ye. Now, according
to Gary Young's incredibly humble biography, D. Gary Young, The
World Leader in Essential Oils, quote that he walks today

(07:16):
is a miracle that defies his medical prognosis. Now. The
book D. Gary Young, The World Leader in Essential Oils
was written by his wife and published by the company
he founded, what we in the journalism biz call a
conflict of interest. Tragically heartbreaking, Lee, I was not able
to find a copy of this book on Kindle or
as an e book. Can I interrupt absolutely that? I

(07:36):
just want to say, I don't feel like the focus
should have been on him walking as much as what
happened inside that shattered skull. We shouldn't that be all
what we're watching. It's like, how you do it? Though?
I'm really less concerned about your toes than what's going
out out there? How do you see everything? What does

(07:57):
that convinced you of? Gary? Yeah? How motivated are you
right now about anything? I feel like the shattered skull
and deciding not to consume anything but water and lemon
juice for two forty three days. I feel like there's
a straight line between us where he's like, I figured
out a solution right hold on, we should listen to
what he thinks. The solution is, Yeah, maybe he shouldn't
be making decisions for a little while. You know, his

(08:17):
brain got bigger, but his skull got bigger too, So
now we can walk now. Yeah. I have been able
to find copies of this book. Uh that I could,
I could access. There are some copies on eBay for
like sixty bucks, so fun that. I did find a
mom MLM saleswoman's blog review of the book, and that
review is quite the treasure, but we'll get to it later.

(08:39):
I also found a summary on good Reads that provided
some context. I'm going to read a selection from that
quote as the pages unfold. You will be amazed to
read about the devastation he felt when told he would
be confined to a wheelchair for life, and then how
with sheer determination, he defied all medical prognosis and thirteen
years later ran in a half marathon, finishing sixty two
out of nine and sixty participate. During this crucial time,

(09:01):
he was introduced to essential oils, which changed his life forever.
Working on the farm with his family, growing and cultivating
crops for survival enabled him to make an easy and
exciting transition to growing and cultivating aromatic crops. His desire
to learn mechanics and the art of distillation have taken
him all over the world and have driven him to
develop and expand his farms and eventually build the largest
privately owned distilleries of aromatic crops around the world. So

(09:23):
that is the the the company line on Gary Young Funds. Impressive.
Sounds impressive, So you want to hear about it how
he drowned his baby in a hot tub? I mean, yeah,
kind of. In the early nineteen eighties, Gary Young moved
to Spokane, Washington as I stayed, and started operating a
small and unregulated medical practice in addition to his farm.

(09:45):
Now his medical practice was focused on aiding people and
delivering their babies. Gary had no training in medicine or obstetrics.
He was not a midwife either, and had not gone
through any of the grueling apprenticeships that those people go through.
What he did have was a bold dream of delivering
infant human be beings into hot tubs and then holding
them underwater for extended periods of time, trusting that the
umbilical cord would deliver them oxygen. This was in order

(10:08):
to gain them vague and unclear health benefits, so that
you don't think that's a good idea. I just believe
that we're gonna go back to the crux of the problems.
When the tree fail on his head, you guys, yeah,
I believe the head. I think something happened. I don't
know that. I believe he broke his legs, but I
believe the head injury. Do think it fell on his head.

(10:30):
He's like, no hot tubs. I got it from with
modern medicine is we don't drown the babies enough. Well, like,
we both grew up like around farm. Like my grandpa
had a farm down the streets, so I grew up
on a farm more or less. And there's like a
community with farms, so there had to be like some

(10:54):
other farmers. When he was like, I'm a doctor now,
everybody was like, I don't think you're a doctor. Don't
think this is gonna end. Well, hey, old treehead said
he's a doctor. Yeah, I'm gonna guess the people who
he was convincing that he was a doctor were like
people in the city were like kind of the woo
woo types and Spokane rather than yes, all the farmers

(11:16):
are like they're gonna let that No, no, sir, okay,
I'd like to read from in October seventeenth Spokane Spokesman
Review article titled Babies Homestyle birthing continues to generate controversy
here quote it's because he's killing them. Yeah. Four infant
deaths over the past year have infuriated some Spokane doctors

(11:39):
and raised questions about the wisdom of homestyle birthing. Why
forsake the safety of hospitals for a homey atmosphere. Is
it prudent to do so? If it isn't, is there
any way to stop people from having babies at home?
Or is there a place for medical safeguards and homespun
aesthetics to meet midway. One of the births in question
occurred in a Spokane Valley hot tub. They took place
in the South Hill Home. The most recent was the

(12:00):
most unusual. Gary and Donna Young's daughter was born September
four in a hot tub at their health club in
the Spokane Valley. They used a Russian method designed to
make birthless traumatic by letting infants swim from the mother's
amniotic fluid into a warm sailine solution before servicing into
the world While underwater, oxygen is supplied to the umbilical cord,
but the chords oxygen flow evidently stopped before the Young's
newborn surface. The infant died of oxygen deprivation. Spokesman County

(12:24):
corner Lois Shanks said the young baby was born normal
and healthy and would have breezed through a hospital delivery,
according to Shanks and others. When contacted by phone last week,
Gary Young's only comment was, there are more damn hazards
in the hospital than out of the hospital, and there
are enough damn statistics to prove it. Mm hmm, so
Gary Young, So I do like that it took four deaths,

(12:48):
like well back then, back then, Like even doctors are
like listen, some of them are gonna die. That's just
how he is. But this seems like more than normal.
This seems like a lot of babies are dying in Spokae.
Gonna lose a baby or two. That's just part of
the business. But you can't can't tubs or for fucking,
not for hot tubs, or for fucking for smoking cigars

(13:09):
and watching the sunset, for cocaine, not for babies, not
for having a baby, not for having a baby. That's
a hard line for me. You have that baby before
prom and then you go to the afterpart exactly. Now,
that article sounds pretty bad, but additional reading into the
subject of Gary Young's dead baby makes it seem even worse.
Because he didn't just try to do some weird rutchan
birthing ritual that got sucked up due to like an

(13:30):
oxygen flow defect in the umbilical cord that occurred over
a few seconds. Gary Young kept his newborn infant child
submerged in a hot tub for nearly an hour because
he was just that sure that his alternative birthing nonsense
was the way to go an hour. Was there somebody else?
They're going like, I don't can wait? And he's like,
oh no, I think it was just him and his wife. Now,

(13:54):
Gary Young didn't go to prison after this, for reasons
which baffle and infuriate me. He was arrested the next year, though,
for practicing medicine without a license the next year. The
next year for he kept right on being a doctor,
a fake doctor. Yeah, he was like, like, I think
for a lot of men, getting your own baby killed
you would re evaluate a number of things about your life.

(14:14):
I think. I think if I killed my own baby,
even if like it was a total accident, I would
re evaluate most of my life. Maybe it's fifty eight
minutes and eight minutes. Start with twenty. Start the first,
first baby, pull it out. Okay, you're doing good, get
like a consent check from the baby. Just do the science.

(14:37):
Do it sit Start with ten minutes for the first baby,
twenty for the second. By the time you get up
to five or six, maybe try an hour. But if
we're being honest, he doesn't have the patience for the
scientific manthing would be a real done it. So he's
just like, no, just do it, just do it. I
think this will work. If it doesn't, I know how
to make another one. It's Russian. If there's one one

(14:58):
country that knows how to keep babies alive, it's Russia. Yeah,
and there's like one Russian dude in town. He's like,
that's not no, we have awesome no now uh so.
Young was arrested the next year. According to the New
Yorker quote, Young said in the presence of undercover detectives
that he could detect cancer with a blood test. He

(15:18):
was arrested for practicing medicine without a license, according to
The Spokesman Sports Spokane Spokesman Review, pleaded guilty to a
misdemeanor charge. Next, Gary Young did would all good American
accidental baby murderers slash quack medical practitioners do. He moved
to Mexico and started operating an unlicensed clinic to treat
cancer patients with a drug called the trill. According to
Dr Eva F. Briggs, a Fulton, New York, family medicine

(15:40):
doctor with thirty five years of experience, quote later is
a useless and dangerous drug that can harm or kill
people because it forms cyanide in the body. It is
illegal and something which Young should be ashamed rather than proud.
Jesus I think kills his baby, gets arrested for practicing
medicine without a license. Uh, moves to Mexico and starts

(16:01):
giving people cyanide for their cancer. But they didn't send
him in to jail. They're like, hey, stop, and he
was like, no, No, I'm gonna go do it somewhere else.
I'm gonna go do it somewhere well else. So Dr
Briggs wrote the first credible article I could find then
Gary Young's life. She evaluated some of the writings from
his company and his wife about his life and provided
good medical context about exactly why he's a scammer. After

(16:24):
Young's latrille business tapered off, probably because it's poison because
more people die. We don't have a body count on
that one, but zero. Not everybody's good at what they do.
There's a learning curve with being a doctor. You know,
you gotta learn by doing just it's I'm prenticing right now.

(16:45):
I'm gonna printice doctor to myself. God damn, he just
keeps going. He really he's a confident man. What years
are this though? This is like nineteen eighty three, eight
four right now. More. I feel like up until like
twenty years ago, you could get away with a lot more.
You really could. The eighties were a golden age to

(17:05):
just have confidence and nothing else. It was as a
stand up. When I started doing stand up was like
the beginning of my space. So I saw this old
guard of comedian, not like well known comedian, like road
comedian that had been doing it in the eighties and nineties.
So they lived a certain terrible lifestyle and awful people,
and then the Internet happened and it was like they

(17:28):
all disappeared because people were like, hey, you're under arrest now.
It was fascinating to watch you hear him talk and
you're like, you know, that's not how the world works anymore.
So that's so, that's what that's so recent he's doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So after Young's Latrill business tapered off, he moved to
California and opened another cancer clinic. He started claiming he

(17:52):
was an m D. Again. At this point he was not.
And I found another article about Young on The Skeptical
Inquirer written by William London, a professor of public health
at cal State. He noted quote according to his personal
achievements page on his website in two thousand seventeen, d
Gary Young studied various science subjects in the Historical Significance
of essential oils in various countries and universities. The page
indicated that he attended Bernadian University between between eighty five

(18:16):
and a doctor in Natural path where Bernadian Bnadian Well.
Bernadian University is a male order diploma mill which has
never been authorized to operate or to grant degrees. That's
that's where he got is. He did get a fake
degree this time. That's the step ordered it. He's like,
I'm tired of people calling me on the ship. I
want to have a piece of paper. Feels like a technicality. Yeah. Now.

(18:40):
In nineteen eighty six, while still operating in California, doctor
not a doctor, Gary Young opened another clinic in Baja Mexico,
the Rosarita Beach Clinic. Here's how the Spokane Chronicle covered
one of their Native sons expanding his business. Quote title
is does he relieve people of pain or of their wallets?
It's the second one. Should Donald Gary Young behalf the healer?

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He claims there is someday maybe a market for little
plastic statues of the guy to stick on automobile dashboards.
That's exactly what happened to the last great physician. According
to a Young, founder of the Rosarita Beach Clinic in Tijuana, Mexico,
his blood crystallization test and ortho molecular cell therapy are
the long awaited remedies for most pains. He claims six
thousand dollars will bring a cancer pace into remission. A

(19:23):
care can be affected for ten thousand dollars. He claims
a cur rate for lupus and says only sixty three
have died out of the thousand patients treated in the
last four years. You know my history. That's pretty good.
That's pretty good. Used to be a one one, used
to be real bad. You guys. Now, if he was really,
if these people were coming to him with actual diseases,
sixty three out of a thousand wouldn't be It wouldn't

(19:45):
be a bad death rate. But there's some reason not
to believe that any of those thousand people had anything
wrong with that. Many might just have killed sixty three
healthy people. See Gary Young and his clinic cater to Americans,
mostly wealthier people who are into alternative pison and lived
in southern California. Now I feel no empathy anything. Now
I'm fine with him dying. Yeah. Well, now that our

(20:07):
empathy has been boiled out, it's time for ads. My
smoothest transition, it was pretty good. Thank you, Thank you,
thank you. I I thrive on praise products, nervousness. We're back. Hey,

(20:27):
you know what I'm about to pop into. We're looking
for We've been trying to get Doritos sponsorships for a
while now, and you know, I think I'm just giving
up the ghost. You know, there's a couple of reasons
for that. I love the flavor of Dorito's. I hate
the multiple civil wars that they've they've helped back in
order to lower food prices to make cheaper chips. So what,

(20:48):
I'm not a great fan of that. Yeah, that's maybe
that's a little bit extreme. You know. I think there's
a lot of room in the world to enjoy chips
that are made by people that, you know, push the
government to institute regime change the global South in order
to but you know, delicious. But I think I found
a new snack. But we gotta make profits. We do
still have to make profits and day and so if

(21:11):
if the Dorrito's people come back in, I will take
back everything that I've said, uh and pretend that they
didn't do what they did in Latin America. Um. But
up until that point, I think I have a new
I think I have a new brand of chip that
I want to plug because I just had these yesterday.
I got him at A three, which is one of
the whole food stores. They're lesser evil is the brand,

(21:33):
which is pretty pretty Branford behind the bastards. Immediately, You're
not You're not gonna lie. I'm just gonna ask. I'm gonna,
I'm gonna put all my credibility on the line as
the host of this show that I've gained. They're called
grain free Paleo puffs, and they've got their vegans so
there's no cheese in them, but they taste exactly like
like an aged cheddar. Um. I don't know. They're really

(21:53):
fucking good. Like they're legitimately some of the Lake because
that's on my way home. No Silver Lake is too,
I mean I assume they have them too. I I
live a little bit further west. But um, they're fucking
delicious because they've got like they're they're puff based, so
that you expect kind of like a Cheetos puff, but
there's crunchy as crunchy Cheetos, so they're like a little

(22:14):
like nugget of of crunchy cheesy goodness. They're so fucking tasty.
Can I ask a follow up questions? Yes? Absolutely, Sativa
or indica. I don't smoke anymore, but when I did,
I just chain smoked marijuana and never just whatever, just whatever. Yeah,
it's fun. Sophie is walking around with a laptop showing

(22:34):
it to our our audio guy Dan. I'm sorry, don't
attack the logos so they might give us money. It's
like a boner. I think it's a good logo. You don't,
You wouldn't, You wouldn't want to bear Talking about a
bear with an erection doesn't make you think of chips,
Because when I when I think of the crunchy goodness
of a delightful, happy time snack, I think of a

(22:56):
bear with a massive heart on that cheesy bear didn't.
That's what everybody says about bear dicks. It's cheesier than
you think they're going to be. You're hurting our chances
of a sponsorship, Sophie, this is off the rails trying
to do a nice ad plug for the people at
Lesser evil backdoor your way into Dorito's ad. Here's money

(23:19):
is a disaster. Speaking of disasters, Gary Young had a
clinic in Rosarita Beach. Um what was in Tijuana. It
was called the Rosaria Beach Clinic. Tijuana and Rosarta are
separate towns. Rosaria is a lovely place by tram and
all there. It's great. So he has this clinic and uh,
you know, he bragged that's only sixty three out of
a thousand of his cancer and Lupa's patients died, which

(23:41):
would be a pretty good rate of success if any
of those people were actually sick. See the reason that
he says that they had cancer in lupa is is
because he performed blood tests on them and those blood
tests came back positive for cancer or whatever it was
he was treating them for. Now, the l A Times
tasked John Hurst, a great journalist, with investigating the clinic.

(24:02):
In What Hurst and his team did next is one
of my favorite stories in all of journalists. So Hurst
sent away for a blood testing kit from the clinic.
She's glowing right now. I'm so excited. His whole demeanor
changed as soon as he got to this paragraph, and
I just have to say it was very It was
like you could see it happened a frustrating time in

(24:24):
the history of journalism. Understand that I love to run
into stories like this that just remind you of how
powerful the medium can be. And this is a great one.
So you didn't have to go to team Wana to
the clinic itself to get your blood tested. You could
send away for a kid um and so Hurst did that.
He sent for a blood testing kit from the clinic
and Gary Young sent him a kid which included several

(24:44):
sharp pins and two glass slides. The patient was supposed
to puncture their own finger and basically make blood slides
out of it and put it in the mail. Yeah,
and then mail it back. It sounds scientific, right, that's
super psychotics out. So Hurst and his colleagues went ahead
with the process. That's a fun conversation. Just do it
all right. Yeah. A time supporter prepared two slides using

(25:06):
blood from a healthy seven year old, twenty pound tabby
cat named Boomer that belongs to Glendale veterinarian Ahmed Kalik.
The slides were presented at the clinic by the reporter,
who identified himself as a perspective client. Sharon Reynolds, a
health educator at the clinic who also cast horoscopes for
patients at fifty dollars each, examined the slots under a
microscope to projects an image on a television monitor. She
said she found evidence of aggressive cancer in the cell,

(25:28):
as well as liver problems. The cancer, she said, had
been in the reporter's system for four or five years.
Uh huh, huh. You must have suspected something, she said.
Gazing up with sorrowful eyes. I did. I definitely suspected something. Next,

(25:50):
the reporter had another blood test performed that day at
the clinic, using his own actual blood this time, and
this time Sharon Reynolds claimed to have found latent cancer,
but thankfully not aggressive cat this one sist. She also
stated that the liver dysfunction she found evidence of in
the cat's blood was still present in his human blood. Well,

(26:11):
he's been that cat. He'd been sucking that cat. Did
you fuck a cat? He's like, okay, Well, now we're
getting weird. Now you're asking questions I didn't want to answer.
She suggested another test, and the report she provided the journalists,
she wrote, quote, elevated level of toxicity must be reduced
in order to promote assimilation, increased oxygenation, and prevent the generation.

(26:31):
We recommend a supervised program of cleansing, detox and rebuilding.
It sounds like a lot of their advice is based
on that Adam Sandler character, the Cajun Man. It's just
say Asian after a lot of fancy words, and people
are okay, ship, oh yeah, that that sounds about right.
That sounds like a doctor thing. You do feel like
that at the doctor. Sometimes when the good I just realized,

(26:53):
nation tell me anything, because I don't know anything. That's
why you really rely on the fact that medical schools
have their ship together. It is ospreys are flying past
us right now. I saw those that the they're out
by the Burbanking report the other day. A bunch of
fucking crayon eaters in the sky. But those are those

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have the presidential seal on it. Oh, Penzas or Trump
is okay, yeah, because I saw him the other day Tuesday.
I guess I flew out of Burbank. Those are presidential
sealed ones. And then they had marine one over on
this barrack. I'll always remember when fucking every time Obama
would come to town and take the motorcade, it was

(27:37):
just a nightmare on the roads. You couldn't do anything. No,
I don't want to drive. That's gonna suck. Presidents stop
stop visiting cities. Just go to the sticks, like yeah,
go to Duluth. And they're like, I don't want to,
we know, we know, but don't come. There's enough people

(27:58):
don't put that like Duluth. It's fine, it's fine. I'm
sure your traffic is great right now. Yes, I'm sure
what you call traffic is wonderful. Yeah. So the detoxicification
program that they suggested is not cheap. It costs two
thou dollars a week and payment was required in advance.
There was, however, a less in tense at home version

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for ninety dollars plus four d vitamins and supplements sold
by the vitamin company that Young had founded in California.
So the only times took that route and had the
vitamins sent to them. They pretended to do the treatment,
and when it came time for a follow up blood
test to see if the treatment had worked, they mailed
in a third set of blood slides. This time the
blood came from a chicken they bought from a Chinatown
poultry shop. Yes, really really putting that bit just a

(28:43):
little fairly well. I like there was a conversation like
where do we get what do we do this time?
When we do this was like I was in Chinatown.
You get buy a chicken. Let's get a chicken blood.
This is the funnest day at work. Ever, now, as
the Times noted, quote, red cells and chicken blood are
oval shaped and have no nuclei, distinct from the round

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non nucleated red cells in the blood of mammals when
viewed under a microscope, experts say. Nevertheless, the Rosarita Beach
Clinic diagnosed the chicken blood as if it were from
a human. There's inflammation in the liver. The clinics report said,
your blood is indicating the possibility of pre limp foament condition.
It appears as though you've recently undergone a high upset
in your life, which is weakened your immune response considerably.

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Did you ate a bunch of feathers? Were you slaughtered
to provide nuggets? What's the kind of stress we're seeing
in your blood? It feels like someone chopped your head off.
Is that what happened? Is that? Is that what happened?
I did lose my hand. The report closed with the
identical prescription for their detox treatment. Young's people didn't even
bother to type it out differently. Next, the l A

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Times went to a real doctor, the head of hemato
pathology at u C l A, and asked her to
look at the blood without being told. She immediately recognized
the chicken blood as chicken blood. Immediately said yourself, this
is a chicken. I have stuff to because that's what
happens when you're a doctor. Sharon Reynolds, the health educator

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at Gary Young's Clinic, was eventually confronted about the fact
that she had been analyzing chicken blood as if it
were human blood. Her response is one of the funniest
things I've ever read. Quote I have never seen chicken
blood before, so I wouldn't know if that had been
human blood, that would have been an accurate analysis of
the blood. I mean, it's a solid argument, solid argument. No,

(30:30):
that chicken head cancer. You that was a human, that
chicken was a human. I would be good at my job, right, right?
Do I understand science? Do I understand science or what?
She went on to complain that she had analyzed the
blood in good faith and that her diagnosis of the
cat's blood was still legit. Quote it was not a

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healthy cat. The cat probably has leukemia. If the cat
is acting healthy, the cat could be a carrier of leukemia.
So the l A Times went to a vet to
get the cat tested for keimia. The cat was fine.
This concludes one of the greatest examples of journalistic shade
throwing in the history of the profession. Kudos to John Hurst.
I love you, and I would nominate you for Pulitzer
if it was not. That was beautiful where yours on? Today,

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We're going to the vet, the vet. I'm gonna see
if this cat has care still say just saying ship now.
The year after this article was published in Gary Young
was arrested in California on numerous charges, including selling bogus
medical equipment and of course, pretending to be a doctor.
He was fine ten tho dollars and his clinic which

(31:37):
it's a wheelchair, that's a chair. It's a wheelchair. It's
a wheelchair. It's a wheelchair. You push it. You don't
have the education to know that is a chair, sir.
He was fine ten thous dollars and his clinic was
shut down. So Gary moved back to Washington and started
practicing medicine without a license again. He was arrested in
Fife and sentenced to sixty days a dale in five

(31:58):
in Fife, Washington. Okay, I lived in Seattle for six years,
so I'm aware of these areas, which makes it even funnier. Yes,
I could see yeah, just straight from California to five
two times in the same year, busted for pretending to
be a doctor. You gotta keep. You gotta respect the
hustle when you think. At one point, he's like, I
don't know what else I can do. At this point,

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pretending a doctor to be a doctor is all I have,
all I know. Gary Young founded Young Living, an essential
oil business aimed at turning his passion for healing and
plants into a profitable international enterprise. In January, Gary Young
was arrested for assaulting several family members or employees or
both with an axe. It is very hard to tell

(32:41):
if this one actually had I thought and I ain't
gonna let that tree win. Now that one may not
have happened. Um, it's in all of like the different
posts I find about it, but I have not been
able to find any records of it in the Washington
Superior Court. Um. But it's possible I'm using the wrong term,

(33:02):
or some records from that far back got fucked up.
Any ax will things in the Northwest, there's so many excribes.
Just don't even bring it up. It's a misdemeanor here
to try to kill someone with an AX ticket. UM.
I did look through back issues of the Spoken Chronicle,
but they're ninety four issues, weren't digitized, So I don't
know if that's true. The only reputable source who repeats

(33:23):
the story is dr Eva Briggs, and she doesn't link
to any outside confirmation that hasn't happened. Um, So that's
all the detail I'll go into. But it's possible he
assaulted a bunch of his family members with an AX
and I didn't kill them. Definitely didn't kill anybody, No
allegations of that. Just an axe assault like sort of
like a shining thing hitting the door. But it's hard. Oh,
I guess, yeah he was. He was just like trying

(33:45):
to get at him with the axe. Okay, yeah, I
guess if you swing, that is assault either if you
don't hit them. I would say it's fair. If like
someone was coming at me and I closed the door
and they start hacking the door down with an ax,
even if they don't hit me with an axe, I
would sue them for assault. That's I would report them. Yeah,
I left to press charges. It felt like he was
trying to hurt me. I feel like I was assaulted,
feel like he was really trying to get at me. Now,

(34:07):
just for legal ends, there's no verification for that. Haven't
run into evidence that it's true, but you'll hear it
repeated a lot. I felt like we had to address
it just because it's like one of the more lurid
stories you run into. Now you just don't want those tweets.
What about to act? What about the acts? I don't know, man,
I couldn't find any. If you find evidence of the
acts thing, let me know. I would love to learn
that it's true. We can remove it from allegedly acted

(34:28):
and just acts. Just tried to hit people with an ax. Now.
The next part of the approved Gary Young story goes
like this. In the early nineteen nineties, he traveled to
France to study distillation. He bought a hundred and sixty
acres of farmland in Idaho and filled it with peppermint.
Where does he get money? I mean, he's been caughting
all these two thousand dollars only find like tan grhand
and get right. And if like a thousand people paid

(34:51):
two grand a week for presumably like that's that's some
good money. You know, he's probably doing pretty well, that's yeah.
And he sounds like he's probably decent keeping his honey. Yeah,
he's no overhead in the business because you don't have
to pay off any medical school bills or actually do
any tests. Tests a good business. Yes, it's actually really great.

(35:11):
It's way cheaper to be a fake doctor than a
real wife. He just looked at college. He's like, that's
a scam too. I know what you're doing. You can
just be a doctor a while for they catch you eventually,
but then you just moved Yeah, you just faked doctor
for a while. There's a time limit and you got
to move on. God, the world was so different before
the Internet. It was yes, and you're like, hey, you

(35:34):
can't fake doctor anymore. Why because of Tom from my space?
Because it's Tom and there's goddamn Google. Sons of bitches. Now, Yeah,
he bought hundred sixty acres of farmland, Idaho field with peppermint, tansy,
and lavender. He married his third wife, Mary, an opera
singer and businesswoman with experience in the world of multi
level marketing. She seems to have basically said, well, what off.

(35:56):
Instead of getting constantly arrested for impersonating a doctor, we
just at a company that impersonates a pharmacy, but with plants.
I knew I married you for a reason. My AX tape,
you know, what you you tell me when it's time
to hit stuff with the axe. This head injury. We
just got some brains to this operation. I left a

(36:18):
lot of mine on the tree. Yes, we'll go back
and get it. Here's how the New Yorker describes how
the Young Living company got it start quote, the couple
renovated a run down building in Riverton, Utah, to uses
the headquarters of Young Living Essential Oils. Young mixed his
abundance oil blend into the paint he used on the walls.
Now the abundance oil does seem to have worked. Over

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the next few years, Young Living expanded over the nation
and became one of the premium essential oil producers in
the United States. In fact, Young Living deserves most of
the credit for sparking our current national obsession with essential oils.
They claim to produce the highest quality products, maintaining a
strict chain of custody from farm to bottle. We will
evaluate that claim in Part two. But of course Young

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Living was not just selling lavender oil to people and
leaving it at that. They were selling cures and treatments
for serious diseases. The company engaged in a constant game
of brinksmanship with the FDA trying to make their products
sound as much like medicine as possible without breaking the law.
One year after Young Living was founded, Senator or in
a Hatch of Utah past the Dietary Supplement and Health

(37:23):
Education Act or does shea disha the sha the usually acronym,
which is not like an acronym I think you'd use.
Does shea doeshia? It sounds like diarrhea. I'm just gonna says,
we think of diarrhea. Yeah, some aid came up with it.
They giggled. Make him say, make hash may Hatch say this?

(37:44):
It is kind of his equivalent, like the political equivalent
of or in Hatch having diarrhea over the country because
the consequences of this law had have been terrible. Yeah,
I've because the way we were going, I was like, wait,
did he do something good because it seems out of
the ordinary for him. No, he did something the opposite
of good at yah. Yeah, and we will get into

(38:05):
exactly what he did. But first, you know what's not
like diarrhea. That's a bad ad pivot. So Iphie's saying
that's not okay, um, that's a good product. Not you
know what, nobody likes diarrhea, Try not diarrhea. I'll go
with that if those are the options, So you give

(38:28):
me a choice. Okay, products, we're back. We're talking about
does shea or in hatches bowels bowels? Yeah? So, uh
does she a regulated dietary supplements? But when I say regulated,
I don't mean it in the senses that it like

(38:49):
introduced stronger controls over like their quality. Um. It actually
just essentially it's one of those things where like you
you say you're regulating something, but you deregulated. Because of dasia,
the people who make dietary supplements and like natural health
aids and stuff are essentially allowed to make vague health
claims about what their products did without getting FDA approval
to show that they worked even safe for money, Yeah,

(39:12):
for money. This law is why a bazillion different shady
companies can sell turmeric and vaguely suggest that it cures cancer.
It's also why if you analyze the turmeric pills that
these people claim care cancer, those pills might just be
saw dust in lies with no actual term eric in them.
And no one is responsible for making sure that you
get what you pay for, because you know that's what
that's what dashia. Does it mean? Thank you or in

(39:33):
hatch actually have that written right there, thank you or
in hatch you're welcome. As a result of Dashia, the
supplement industry grew to become the number one economic force
in the state of Utah. Natural remedies currently account for
something like ten billion dollars a year in state revenue.
Really really yeah, ten billion billions. That's where you do it.

(39:53):
There's a couple of things that Utah is the center of.
If you're gonna sell natural remedies and vaguely claim that
they help with cancer, Utah's where your company is going
to be based. And if you're going to run a
business where you abduct people's like misbehaving teenagers and put
them in a work camp that some kids diet, Utah's
where you're gonna do that too. And they're both because
of or in Hatch, I know how things deregulate fake

(40:17):
medicine and let people toward your teenagers get a game
before they get older. I'll vote for him. I know
his name. He's been around forever. I can't be good
in two thousand. It's worse than you thought. Utah really

(40:38):
dark stuff happens here. Ah, You just thought the Mormon
stuff was bad. Utah our capitals filled with gay and
trans kids who have been abandoned by their families and
live on the streets. Not a joke, just a serious problem.
Utah has Utah. Thanks Robert Redford. Wait what the sun dance? Right? Right? Right?

(40:59):
The only weird to hold a major film industry event
in a place where you can't get liquor? It is
and then the beer's like, yeah, it's that near beer
ship we had an Oklahoma ought to be a crime.
I remember when I first went there on tour and
I was like, what is I've got a serious problem?
What is happening here? And They're like no, no, no,

(41:20):
was just half And I was like, oh why what
is the point? No one could explain it. Yeah, it's
it's nonsense. In two thousand, Gary Young opened the Young
Life Research Clinic in uh Springvale, Utah. The clinic's goal
was to administer essential oils and other alternative medicine to
patients suffering from cancer, heart disease, depression, and other life
threatening conditions that should not be treated with a reganar oil.

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According to the New Yorker quote, the clinic employed a
pediatrician named Sherman Johnson, who had recently had his medical
license reinstated. About a decade later, Johnson had been investigated
by the state Medical Board after a woman had died
while he was treating her for cancer. According to the
Salt Lake Tribune, after a nurse raised questions about the
woman's death, the body was exhumed. In a subsequent probe,
it was determined that she had multiple personality disorder but

(42:03):
not cancer, that Johnson believed her story that she had
been injected with cancer by a group of witches and
gay doctors, and that she had died from an overdose
of DeMar all administered by Johnson. Johnson pleaded guilty to manslaughter.
Man Gary Young. When he starts his clinic does hire
a real doctor to run it. But it's this doctor. Man.

(42:25):
I like the way your mind works. I like the
way your mind works. Redwood that fell on me, I
think it might have been a gay witch doctor. Now
that you say you got me that dem roll which
nothing against dem roll, that's not that's not the fault here.
We're not blaming demarroll. Now, I took a look at
your test results. I got one question, have you ever
been around any gay witch doctor, because that's what they're

(42:48):
reveiling that you've been. You've been infected with cancer. You
get injected with cancer, injected with cancer. Sometimes I'll let
people just syringe me, but all a usually asked. But
one time, I one time I didn't say, isn't this cancer?
It's not cancer? Right? I don't want any cancer. Oh

(43:09):
that's that name. I should ask those witch doctors. They're tricksy.
I was it sundance around all those Hollywood drinking some
near beer with Ora and Hatch is crazy? Oh boy,
I'm not gonna get the tour of Utah. That's a

(43:32):
mixed blessing. It's actually nicer than it's a lovely state.
It's very nice, geographically beautiful, and then yeah, like every
part of the United States, it's beautiful. You start talking
to people and you're what is happened? What the hell
is going on? It's pretty, ain't it? It's okay? Are
you married to three of your sisters? Oh? No, yes,

(43:53):
here you want Sandy eight beer. There's a regano while
in it. In case of which dot you gave you cancer?
There's guy witch doctors down in that park down They're
big careful. As Young Living expanded, bringing in tens of
millions of dollars in revenue, Gary Young built a farm
in Mona, Utah to act as a beautiful living growing
ad for his company. He also built other stuff on

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his farm, including a replica Wild West town and a
literal castle. He started calling himself Sir Gary and hosting
jousting turnament, which you would compete in wearing full plate armor,
just like the owner's manual said, Just like the owner's manuals.
See as he lowers his visor and charges someone, this
is what God wants right back, following the owner's manual. Sorry,

(44:40):
I gotta do levinicus real quick, Oh God. As the
money rolled in. As the money rolled in, Gary Young's
ambitions expanded well beyond the fake doctoring that had initially
started him off. He began planning a two and fifty
million dollar theme park called Mount Young Moore. It would
be a place where families could relax in five star tells, joust,

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and gaze upon a mountain with his face carved onto it.
Young himself would later deny any of this was ever planned,
but The New Yorker interviewed David Sterling, who was young
living CEO at the time. Sterling confirmed that all these
were real plans at one point, saying, quote, it was
just crazy what they were trying to build out there,
so they had nothing, He had nothing to do. He's

(45:22):
definitely clearly tried to dissociate himself with it. Yes, they
paid me a lot of money, but I had nothing
to do with that. His claim is to The New Yorker,
is that he was trying to really just switch the
company to focusing on just selling the essential oils rather
than running a ridiculous vanity theme park slash unregistered surgery
empire like Gary Young wanted. So he didn't future in

(45:43):
the adult jaw state. He did not think that was
a great idea. More, honey, John, want to go to
the jail resort. We can see this guy's face carved
on the mountain. He's a fake doctor. Don't we get
to ram each other their own horses. I'm gonna be honest,
if when I was like nine, someone had said you
want to go hit your family with like lances, I

(46:06):
would have been like, fuck, yes, yes, absolutely, Well that's
the thing. If you did it, there would be like
way like Thanksgiving would be like where it's a good
it's a good business. We just go jousting on Thanksgiving.
I feel like enough jousting could heal this country's political division.
Just just legalize leg and hamp and and jousting. That

(46:28):
will take care of a lot of angst and essential
oil and essential oils. God, so his mind is fast
like where he goes as fast it really he really
has the mind of a man who was badly injured
by a tree. Giant tree fell on his head. Yes,
that's just what. Yes, you know, when I wrote this,

(46:49):
I didn't think that much about the head injury. But
you're right, it really ties a lot. Makes a lot
of the decisions were like, well this makes you know what,
It doesn't make a little sense when when you consider
It's something I think about as I read through more
and more of the stories of these terrible people. How
many of the worst people in history explainable by like
you got hit in the head, like Hitler and the

(47:10):
fucking trenches in World War One, You've got some brain
damage like the more that we learned about, just like
any of our soldiers who spent a lot of time
around heavy artillery. There's like these little micro like fucking
things to your brain where you get like CTE and
stuff from it, and it's like, oh yeah, he was
like just hanging out next to artillery for four years.
Of course that did something. It didn't help. If you're

(47:31):
a baseball fan, you know Don zimmer Is used to
play for the old Yankees coach. He was just like,
he just looks like that kind of damage. It's putting
him in charge where he's just like, what, yeah, it's
just bad for you, yes, yeah. Well, and then we're
like he's the strongest from the war. Yeah, but I
don't think he should be saying what to do. Yeah,

(47:53):
maybe we shouldn't be listening to him. He's in the
corner hitting stuff right now. He's slamming his head into
the wall. Real are so uh this guy? Sterling claims that, yeah,
he wanted to switch the company's focus to just essential
oils rather than ridiculous vanity in the unregistered surgery and
stuff that Gary Young was into. Uh. This did not
work out, and Young fired Sterling. The company claims for

(48:14):
performance reasons, but in an email Sterling gave to UM
The New Yorker, Young gave this explanation quote, Satan exercise
dominion over you to the point where you started thinking
that you had knowledge and ability greater than anyone else,
including me. The creator of the company does sound like
some head injury talking there. It sounds like he wanted
to sum up what he said. He was like, you

(48:35):
didn't share my blurry vision. He did not share my
very blurry and distinct vision from the company. Where The
New Yorker reached out to Young Living about this distinctly
non standard response from a CEO, the company spokesperson told them, quote,
successful company founders are often cut from a different cloth
in the rest of us, which is true of Gary
Young and his pioneering cowboy spirit. That is not technically incorrect.

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A lot of people want to be doctors. A lot
of people say cool. A lot of people say you
shouldn't drown a baby in a hot tub. Those people
don't know if it will stop your medical career. But
they don't know about Mexico. They've never been to Rosarita.
I've never heard of a little thing called Mexico. Now,
we're gonna have a lot more to say about Gary

(49:18):
Young's pioneering spirit and its impact on the world, But
that's all going to have to wait until Thursday, part
two of our epic series Gary Young, the fake doctor
who killed his own baby. Well you got any plug plug?
I will be on tour for the next couple of months.
I'm going to Austin for the Moontower Festival. I'll be
in Colorado next week all over If you just go

(49:40):
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