Part One: George Lincoln Rockwell: The Most Racist American in History

In episode 51, Robert is joined by Katy Stoll and Cody Johnston to discuss George Lincoln Rockwell, the grandfather of all modern fascists. 

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Whats itch in my rashes. I'm Robert Evans. This is
Behind the Bastards. Nobody like that intro. Sophie is giving
me the cut signal. Everyone else just looks ashamed and
heart Cody's giving me the thumbs up. I'm politely smiling,
Katie's politely smiling. I'm Robert Evans. Behind the Bastards podcast.
Talk about bad people, the worst people, all of them
in history. What you don't know about him? My guest today,

(00:26):
Cody Johnston, Katie Stole. Hello, how are you guys doing
really really well? I'm doing. What did you guys think
of my my intro? I thought it was good all
the thumbs up? Yeah yeah, that scans well for a podcast.
I'm gonna do it again. Physical comedy is great for podcasting.

(00:46):
Yeah yeah, I was fine with your intro. Thank you,
thank you, thank It's no, it's no. What's cracking my peppers?
But they can't all you gotta try stuff out. You
gotta try stuff out. That's the only way you know
it works. And it's also a great way to get
at rashes. Speaking of rashes. While we're on the subject,
speaking of a rash on our collective nation, our subject

(01:08):
for today is a fella named George Lincoln Rockwell. Have
either of you all heard of George Lincoln Rockwell minimal Um, Yeah,
I'm not that familiar. I would say based on the
three names. He killed people, not directly, but those are
always the people who wind up killing the most people. Yeah, yeah,
that song. People who don't directly kill people are the

(01:31):
killing in the world. Yeah, he's got blood on his hands. Well, yes,
absolutely so. Near the end of February two thousand nineteen,
if you remember that far back, federal authorities arrested US
Coast Guard Lieutenant Christopher Hasson with a cash of guns
and a list of liberal and leftist politicians and journalists
he wanted to murder. In April, to McVeigh detonated an

(01:53):
enormous fertilizer bomb outside the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.
Last October, Robert Bowers walked into the Tree of Life
Synagogue and murder eleven people. Between nineteen and two thousand nineteen,
we've seen a couple of hundred far right terror attacks
and attempted terror attacks and murders. Behind each of these
attacks and each of these deaths is an individual terrorists
with his or her own journey to radicalization. But there

(02:15):
is one single man who shows up in the ideological
chain of custody for every single act of right wing
terror in our lifetimes. That man is George Lincoln Rockwell.
There it is. There we go so excited in the
worst way possible. Y'all were when when I knew how
I was doing g l R what we call, I

(02:38):
knew you'all were the only possible guests for this touching.
You also produced regular terrified content about the horrifying things
happening in our country, and this guy makes a lot
of that make more sense because he's where most of
it starts. So this week's three part episode is the
longest podcast I've ever written, by a couple of thousand words.

(03:01):
It started initially as a five part special episode. I
wanted to go into detail about all the bastards behind
our current wave of right wing terrorism. There's a fascinating,
terrifying intellectual history there, and I think it's very important
for people to know. Rockwall was just going to be
one part of that series, but then I wrote words
on him, So here we are. I am still gonna
put together a five part audio book on all the
bastards who invented right wing terror. We'll talk about that

(03:22):
a little bit at the end of this episode. But
Rockwell is special. He's the grandfather of all modern American fascists.
He started, uh, the sort of fight that we're all
in right now. If you consider yourself that it's a
terribly and it's a ridiculous fight. Uh, so let's get
into it. Rockwell was born on March nine, eighteen in Bloomington, Illinois,

(03:46):
So like me, he's an Illinois baby. Yeah, I see
the similarias and the connections already. Yeah, I mean he
just wait now. He was the oldest of three children.
George's parents were both vaudeville performers. His dad was somewhat famous.
We're pretending to be a doctor in a bit that
does not translate down through the decades, because I can't.
I've read a couple descriptions of it, and I can't
understand what the joke was supposed to be. But I

(04:09):
love that stuff. It's like, oh, you really, you literally
had to be there, You had to be alive in
the twenties, you had to be there for thirty years
before that on him though, because I feel like that's
true for all old comedies. I just does not translate. No,
I was just watching a movie. I used to love
the second a strint cheer a movie, and even even
ten years past, like the last point I watched it,

(04:32):
I was like, oh boy, A lot of this stuff
just does not edge, does not age now. His dad's
nickname was Doc because of the aforementioned bit where he
pretended to be a doctor. In the biography I read
of Rockwell for Race and Nation claims his dad was
an egomaniac. Quote. A nephew recalled that the sun went
up and down on what he was doing period. Another

(04:53):
could not recall one instance of affection expressed by Doc
towards Lincoln. Doc Rockwell lavishly entertained show business friends who
journeyed from New York to Southport for little rest and relaxation.
So George's parents divorced when he was young, and so
he split his time between showbiz hangouts with his narcissistic
dad and languaging with mom and his overbearing racist aunt.
One of his cousins described that sign of the family

(05:14):
as archie bunker types. Antisemitism, racism, anti Catholicism, and anti
Italian sentiments were all common at home, but racist talk
was kept inside the family, and his dad was not
anti Semitic for that fac because even show business stuff.
So he had a lot of Jewish friends and whatnot.
So that was that seems this is just his gross aunt,
his gross aunt and probably probably his mom. Yeah, I mean,

(05:35):
I guess literally everyone was racist by modern standards right then.
But yeah, I mean, I mean, you know what props
for them to keeping it inside the house, keeping it
in the family, although they did not because it boiled
over the most it possibly could have, right right, I'm
trying to Yeah, I'm forgetting where this story is going,
although I should note that his family expressed nothing but

(05:55):
shock and shame at the beliefs. Rockwell with pedal as
an adult, so or whatever, that's worth. Way to go,
Way to go talk, wait, way to go, Doc Rockwell.
As a teenager, George Lincoln Rockwell worked as a waiter
in a tourist hotel on the coast. He angered easily,
that's a big surprise, and would regularly get revenge on
female patrons who he thought had annoyed or slighted him

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in some way. His favorite method of doing this was
rubbing a syrup soaked rag on door knobs, pocketbook handles,
light switches, and anything the women might touch. What a
little imp, what a and so? What? They all are there?
It's resentful of being slighted by random women that he

(06:36):
works for. Most of what you've said, except for the
stuff about the comedy that doesn't translate, is very applicable
to the modern men that I know, except for these present.
I mean, have you touched a door handle that I've
been around lately because I got a syrup so grag
in my pocket at all times? Yeah, I don't do
that anymore. After I slighted you that one time, they

(06:56):
after you slighted me, that exactly exactly I mean, to
be honest. Most of what I used the rag for
now is in case there's like a pancake emergency. Sure,
oly smart, just good planning. My favorite jam band handcake
emergency when they played at Red Rocks that one day
of that year, when they played in Red Rocks solid

(07:19):
jam band team. In this Nazi podcast, George Rockwell Lincoln
Rockwell grew up mean and tall into a lantern jawed
six ft four inch adult. He had a commanding presence
and an almost pathological need to impress or intimidate everyone
he met. His high school yearbook said this about him,
quote without question, Lincoln is the loudest talker on the campus,

(07:41):
the originator of more weird theories than anyone else, and
the Academy's outstanding artist. We have every assurance of his
being successful because of his incomparable personality and originality. Originality
is important. Originality's good, that's good. You can say a
lot of things for George Lincoln Rockwell, most of them terrible.
But he was an original thinker. I think you agree
with that. By the time we come around to issues

(08:02):
with this guy, I like, I like his originality. Like
the cut of this huge on board with this guy, Well,
let's keep cutting into the jib. I don't know what
a jist. George went to Brown University, but he did
not enjoy it. He was irritated by the progressive ideals
of his professors. What little political correctness existed in American
universities in ninety eight. It was too much for Rockwells.

(08:27):
And they don't spit directly onto the black people. You
you PC police, and you know how it is. According
to his biography, he later claimed he never bought the
idea of human equality. Okay, okay, it's not for sale man. First, sorry,

(08:50):
do we just think people are people? It's not a product,
You're not You're not selling that to George to g
l R. He got a job at the school paper,
and he drew bad political cartoons and were worse columns.
A lot of his work was killed by his editors
before even being published. Do you have any other political cartoons?
I mean right there, But I feel like if you

(09:11):
just take a Ben Garrison, likely don't think. I was like,
I want to see like this proto Ben Garrison. I
bet that's who he sites as the inspiration. It's got
to be. It's gotta be. He will not be the
only person. Now. Rockwell school work was not much better.
At one point, he got an assignment to write about
the factors that led to criminal and delinquent behavior and
young people. Rather than doing research and writing a scholarly article,

(09:34):
Rockwell wrote essentially a speculative sci fi fable about scientists
in Africa that was the title Scientists. According to this fable,
he wrote, these scientists were quote studying why ants acted
like ants. They searched around until they found a lot
of ant hills, observed them for many years, and finally
came up with the discovery that when aunt eggs were

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hatched in tunnels and a certain kind of hill in
Africa and grew up among six leagued creatures called ants,
they themselves are so affected by the strong environment that
they became themselves ants and waved their intent of like ants.
It's curried around aimlessly like ants, looked like ants, and
we're ants. He's saying Black people are dumb because they
don't they have to study ants to know that they're ants.
That's the joke. That's the whole joke. It's a funny joke.

(10:16):
I hate it. It's terrible. No, it's a funny joke.
The rule of threes is really on display on this God,
this is the least racist. It's like waiting, like what's
it's talking about? Culture? Like where that's the whole that's
the whole point. Yeah. Yeah. In spite of his clear

(10:38):
talent for storytelling, Rockwell did not excel in college. He
never graduated, and he wound up in listing in the
United States Navy slightly before we got into World War Two.
He became a pilot and flew combat missions in Guadalcanal
as well as like he flew it. He flew combat
missions in both the Pacific and the Atlantic theaters. Uh.
And he seems to have been a pretty good pilot
during the war. Like he was very active, flew a

(11:01):
lot of missions, like did a lot of dangerous stuff.
Although that did not stop him from lying about his
service later he would have been the rest of his
life claiming that he'd sank two Japanese submarines. This means
George Lincoln Rockwell and l Ron Hubbard both picked the
exact same lie to tell about their service in World
War Time. Yes, I don't know what to do with that, right,
you just stored away for later, just stored that you track,

(11:23):
you know in Sunday the dots would connect to something.
There's two of them, three you need a third one
to really take shape. Waiting for Donald Trump to talk
about the submarines summer, which one came first? You know,
like who said it first? I think it must have
been right around the same time, because they were both
starting to be on the public scene in the fifties.
This sort of like general like, I wonder if that's
like for a few years, and said Bunch people like,

(11:44):
Oh yeah, there's probably a lot of people that made
that claim. They were both in the Navy, and my god,
I can't stop thinking about what if it's some air
base in the middle of World War Two the two
of them wound up having a beer at something I
was just thinking at I like to think that it's true.
That's a great one act play. Is that is a
hell of a one act You write it, we make

(12:06):
it playing rock We will make that. I think that's
a great idea. Okay. To be continued on that conversation,
they're like talking, like getting along and getting to each other.
In the background, you hear like someone like I just
said to Summer, that's a great idea, A great idea.

(12:28):
They don't even realize there. Oh god, Okay, anyway, here's
what Rockwell looked like. Here's what Rockwell looked like during
the war. Who wants to describe him? O, Katie, just
wait that. Oh okay. Honestly, he looked a little bit
like my cousin David. He really does, David, Yes, he

(12:57):
really does. With that mustache and he's got that um
he's got some impressive brow work going on. And then
nice furrowed gaze. Yeah, could you take a whack God, David.
I would say he looks like if Farva joined the military, right, okay, Yeah,
Like he gets a little little more fit. He like,
he gets very he's a very serious man. But it's

(13:18):
totally Farva. Oh he doesn't you know? He looks like
someone who wipes her up on handles. Yeah, he does
look like a man who wipes herup on handles. I
hate to say it, but he will get way better
looking as the story progresses. He mustaf The mustache was
an er. Mustache was a mistake. That's just one mistake.

(13:40):
He's like all things I ever did. I'm sorry, general,
i'd say mustaches are a mistake. Um, not all my
dad is a mustache. That's going to throw a lot
of shade your family. I was just thinking that, nos,
regretting it. Apologies of the Stole family. After the war,

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Rocko decided to try his hand at art, with the
dream of working in advertising. He was accepted by the
Pratt School of Design in New York City. In nineteen
second year, Rockpo won a thousand dollar first prize in
a national illustration contest. His winning piece was an anti
smoking ad for the American Cancer Society, which is ironic
because for the rest of his life, Rockwell was seldom

(14:22):
photographed without a corn cob pipe in his mouth. I
like a man with principles. Yeah, so do I like
advertising cigarettes? So what's bad for you? Yeah? Because a
corn cob pipe that that's that fills up your cue
zone better than better than a cigarette. Oh yeah, I've
only read medical textbooks from the late nineteen four but
according to those, the cue zone is really critical to

(14:44):
keep filled with smoke. The cu zone, the cue zone,
that's what you gotta keep smoke filled. Is it shaped
like a cue or is it stand for quality? Quality?
You feel filled with more smoke and that makes the
quality of all the air in your body better. Oh yeah,
that's it makes perfect anyway. Sponsors Philip Morris have been

(15:06):
I would totally sell cigarettes. Everyone everyone knows at this point. Sure, well,
right if I if I option, I'd be like, yeah,
I'll sell these cigarettes. But I get to say, by
the way, they're going to kill you, they're bad. That
would be I'm getting paid to say that these are available.
You want to die sooner because the world's Yeah, they

(15:26):
will aide you quickly for decades about us, not me, baby.
I'll tell you true, I'll sell you honest poison. Speaking
of honest poison, George Lincoln Rockwell opened up an advertising
agency with two partners in Portland, Maine. This business came
to an end with Korean War started, and Rockwell was

(15:47):
a call recalled to active duty. He didn't fight this time, though.
Instead he trained people at the Coronado Air Base and
eventually got involved in politics. His chosen candidates were Senator
Joseph McCarthy in general Douglas MacArthur. Yeah loved both men
for their violent resistance to the spread of communism, with
which he agreed fervently. In nineteen fifty one, deep in
this anti communist obsession, Rockwell decided to read the autobiography

(16:10):
of the greatest anti communist of them all, Adolph Hitler.
He would later claim that reading mind comp was the
most powerful moment of his spiritual life. Quote word afterward,
sentence after sentence stabbed into the darkness like lightning bolts
of revelation, tearing and ripping away the cobwebs of more
than thirty years of darkness, brilliantly illuminating the heretof for
obscure reasons for the world's madness. I hate him so much,

(16:35):
Big Hitler stand here. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. To put
that in a little bit of context, chinahgann communist in nineteen.
By nine fifty one, the Russians had officially got the bomb.
The Korean War was seen, particularly by conservatives like Rockwell,
as a crucial stand against the violent spread of communism
or the globe. Rockwell didn't jump straight into being a Nazi.
His first political goal was to organize a rally urging

(16:56):
Douglas MacArthur to run for president. MacArthur, by the way,
was the guy who got fired by Truman for trying
to nuke China. Coo, guy good um, good fire, good fire.
Also yeah, also the guy who made well. He's debatable
how well he did in the Korean War. We could
argue about that a lot now. According to Rockwell, he

(17:18):
was stopped from renting a hall in San Diego for
a MacArthur rally when a local pro MacArthur activist told
him that the Jews hated MacArthur and would not let
such a rally happen. What did he'd do about that?
He did not develop positive feelings towards Jewish American citizens.
What's this mind comp fan going to do about it?

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That's what we're after. Some time in Coronado, Rockwell was
sent back to Rhode Island on Navy business. His wife
picked him up at the airport and, according to Rockwell,
told him that in his absence, she'd learned to be
quote independent and no longer wanted to sleep with him.
We have no way of knowing if this is how
the conversation actually went down. Of course, you know, I
know did not. Rocke would later use this story to

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claim that his first wife, Judy, had been inflicted by
what he called the common insanity of modern education, which
made women feel their lives were lacking if they became
homemakers rather than sought out careers. Rockwell claims he realized
his wife had basically been ruined by modernity and that
the marriage was over. This is great, like everything you're saying, like, yep, yep,

(18:24):
that adds up. Yeah, I've seen I know those people. Yeah,
I know, I know prominent figures. Yeah, this is this
is the guy who invented a lot of that unfortunate.
Her name was Judy. What I feel like you feel
like maybe that like pushed him over the edge. You're
not a fan of the name Judy. It's just like
rhymes with my aunt's name is Judy, my mom's names.

(18:46):
I mean, if you're if you're like a guy who
likes suddenly very resentful of Jews, and then oh my god,
yeah you needed by the way, that names like really
coming down on aim. The name Judy's fine if you're
not this guy. If you're not that makes sense, though, Yeah,
I can see how he might have some issues with

(19:08):
that connections now. Thankfully, Rockwell was immediately sent to Iceland
next and during a party in reiku Vich, he met
Margaret thora hal Grimson, a twenty three year old niece
of the Icelandic ambassador. He started flirting with her and
they eventually struck up a relationship. In ninety three, he
asked his wife formally for a divorce, and she was
happy to agree to that. He married hal Grimson soon after.

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After his second sin with the Navy was done, Rockwell
would turn to the United States. Hal Grimson in tow
They moved to d c where he put together a
magazine for the wives of US serviceman called us Lady.
It was not a success. Rockwell became convinced, however, that
it was his mission to create a popular new conservative
newspaper that could galvanize what he called the splintered and
squabbling right wing into an effective political movement. Again, you

(19:50):
might say his goal was to unite the right Okay, Yeah.
He pitched his idea to the American Federation of Conservative Organizations,
giving it the title The Conservative Times. Tragically, he was
unable to find investors for this surely fantastic idea. Eventually,
Rockwell met a guy named Harold Arrowsmith, the scion of
a wealthy family, who had become obsessed with pouring over

(20:12):
the Library of Congress's microfilms to find evidence of a
Jewish communist conspiracy to overthrow the nation. Since no actual
scholarly publications were willing to publish his findings, Aerosmith went
to Rockwell and basically said, if he helped me get
my theories out there, I'll pay to print the shipload
of propaganda. Yeah, so that's hyper familiar to everybody. If

(20:32):
you print my bet, I'll pay you money. It gets
bat shittier. But before we cover what happens next on
the Amazing Journey of Georgian Lincoln Rockwell, Speaking of which, Katie,
can we do a free plug for your water bottle?
Because I am loving the look at that water bottle.

(20:54):
What is that it's called? It's like a SLM. I'm
assuming that's for slim. It's got like a little wood grain.
My favorite part is that it has a little straw
that pops up. It has a little straw that pops up.
If you want a bottle that looks like it's made
of wood, by you a slim. They've got lots of
different colors. Lovely and if you want another fine product
indoor service purchase commerce units in here, we're back back

(21:23):
in not the U s SR. Because Rockwell was terrified
of communism. He would not He would not have liked
that song. I don't know. Probably wouldn't like anything they said,
like most rock and roll. Probably wouldn't have liked their manager,
like like Rocky Raccoon or something. Might have liked Rocky Racuit.
Would not have liked the Rolling Stone song Painted Black. No,

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that would not have been brown Sugar. You do not
want to play brown Sugar to George Lincoln Rockwall, oddly enough,
big fan of Hey Jude, how was the for in
the sr believe. Okay, Runkwell took a shine to this
rich guy Aerosmith, immediately calling him the most violent Jew

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hater he'd ever met, which in Nazi circles was quite
a compliment. He agreed to work on the project if
Aerosmith would provide a home for his new wife and
her children. Aerosmith agreed on the grounds that their project
must use the name he'd settled on, the National Committee
to Free America from Jewish Domination, Gotta Read. Rockwell did
not like the name, but agreed to do it for

(22:30):
the money. On July ninety eight, the National Committee officially
announced itself to the world with a picket of the
White House. Rockwell printed out large placards covered in slogans
don't fight another war to save the Jews. He was
talking about like Israel at this point and the wars
they were fighting. NASA. The president of Egypt has jailed
his reds, but Jews lie that he has read Communism

(22:51):
is Jewish. One of the placards just said the slur keike, sure, yep,
I mean, if you're going to do a thing that sucks,
why not. If you're going to do a thing that sucks,
Rockwell marched with a small number of young races he'd gathered.
Almost no one came to see them. The crowd that
did show up was a mix of journalists and a
d L photographers uh Anti Defamation League. The National Committee marched,

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and then Rockwell took everyone to a local motel to
drink beer. Motel motel, that is specifiedphy. It was not
a hotel, it was motel. There were there were cars
within feet of them. Everybody had to pay for their
own Everybody had to pay for their own drinks. The

(23:36):
bed's head, penny slot windows were right next to each other. Tragically,
this would prove to be the high water mark for
the National Committee because Rockwell had actually sort of screwed
over his wealthy benefactor Aerosmith. He'd printed only a few
of the leaflets showcasing Aerosmith's research and used most of
the Committee's resources to print off his own propaganda for
a completely different organization called the World Union of Free

(23:58):
Enterprise National Socialists. Wolfens loser, my god, I mean tragically
he gets better at the brandings. It's a process. You
have to understand. The Nazis didn't exist yet. Well, it
sounds like a cute little pup names your and branding

(24:18):
is important and like, yeah, you're building up united right,
We're like, uh, we're all together. We're one big family.
Uh not you not you were one. We're one. Actually
much smaller family than the family other people want want
to exist. On October twelve, nineteen fifty eight, a racist

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name Wallace Allen detonated fifty sticks of dynamite inside the
Hebrew Benevolent Congregation synagogue in Atlanta. Thankfully, he did this
in the dead of night and no one was killed,
but suspicion almost immediately turned to George Lincoln Rockwell because
when police searched Allen's home, they found letters between the
bomber and Rockwell. One of Rockwell's letters from July mentioned
a big blast, although he claimed this was a reference
to a Wolfan's picketing march, he had brand not any

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terrorist attack like a blast, like we're gonna have a blast.
We're gonna have a blast. It's going to be a
big blast. It's gonna be a big fifties stick of
dynamite sized blast. Rock was not charged with any crime
in the wake of the bombing, but that attacked marked
the beginning of a national conversation that we're all still
having to What do we do with people who inspire
terrorism but don't actively urge it in a legally actionable way?

(25:25):
What do we do about that? I don't know the
last to Symber. I lectured a room full of aspiring
and current federal law enforcement people about this, and nobody
seemed to have a real clear answer. Oh good, Oh good.
I don't hear more about that at some point. Yeah,
I'm happy, too happy to talk about that now. The
rabbi of the Hebrew Benevolent Congregation Synagogue was a dude
named Jacob Rothschild, which is an unfortunate last name to

(25:48):
have if you are one of America's earliest white advocates
for school integration and civil rights. He was a major
major like early civil rights advocate, and the members of
his synagogue were unusually active in being white people who
are like, we should all be less shitty to black people. Uh.
Good advice, good advice. Why they also got bombed? Bad
result of good advice. Yeah, that's how it goes. Thankfully

(26:11):
no one died. Uh. In a Pulitzer Prize winning editorial
for The Atlantic Constitution, Ralph McGill called the bombing quote
the harvest of defiance of courts and the encouragement of
citizens to defy law on the part of many Southern politicians.
It is not possible to preach lawlessness and restricted. To
be sure, none said gobamba, Jewish temple or a school.
But let it be understood that when leadership and high

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places in any degree fails to support constituted authority, it
opens the gates to all those who wished to take
the law into their hands. It would have been greater
people are listened back than Why would we listen to
what things happened in the past, what it might be

(26:53):
directly related to? Why would we think about that Rockwell
had been a French figure before the bombing. After it,
he was completely a banned by the mainstream American right.
Aerosmith abandoned him too, and his naval reserve status was
canceled in December. This left Rockwell destitute, without even the
money to keep the lights on. His nineteen fifty nine
Dawned Wolfin's only had nine fully initiated members, with twelve

(27:14):
more waiting to attain full membership status. I bet you
guys are wondering what it takes to become a full
member of what we're thinking about. That you get you
two Cody, Okay, well, there's a ceremony. There's a ceremony.
It's described in for Racing Nations. Quote pricking the cheek
with a razor blade, dripping a large drop of blood
on the border of a swastika flag, and swearing allegiance

(27:34):
to the party with the troopers oath. All these fucking
nerves go away with this stuff that happened. I'm going
to read the trooper's oath. Oh please do. Oh yeah,
I gotta in the presence of the great spirits of
the universe, capitalized and my loyal party comrades, all capitalized.
I hereby all letters capitalized, irrevocably pledged to Adolf Hitler,

(27:56):
also capitalized, the philosophical leader of the white man's fight
for idealistic and scientific world order against the atheistic and
materialistic forces of Marxism and a racial suicide. I pledge
my reverence and respect to the commander of Adolf Hitler's
National Socialist movement. I pledge my faith, my courage, and
my willing obedience to my party comrades throughout the world.

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I pledge my absolute loyalty, even unto death, to myself
as a leader of the white man's fight. I pledge
a life of clean and manly honor. To the United
States of America. I pledge my loyalty and my careful
compliance with its constitution and laws until those which are
unjust can be legally changed by winning the hearts of
the people. To my ignorant fellow white man, who will
hate and persecute me because they have been so cruelly brainwashed,

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I pledge my patience and my love to the traitors
of my race and nation. I pledge swift and ruthless justice.
M m m mmmm. That is cool for a great
bunch of really um it's almost like what even if
you take out the race stuff, It's like what unites
the right is they all fear the same things and

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they all they all like really really want the same
kind of thing. It's almost like it was really civil
This smr here, this is what straight dust to me.
It's just really frustrating. Troopers were given code names, which
had to be related to their real names but also
make them sound like total badasses to recruit. Named Burchard

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became Trooper Oak because Birchard sounded sort of like Birch,
but George Lincoln Rockwell didn't think Birch was a badass
enough tree. Oh my god, all about Also, it's like
that George W. Bush thing where it's like he sees
you eating a burger, so he calls you burger. You know,
I don't know, Tim Apple, you know what, I'm not

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going to go out that. That's that's funny. It is funny.
If I was the president, that's how I would refer
to every business leader. Well, it's super it's super hilarious
and cool and great. If he did it on purpose, yeah,
but it's just his broken brain. I would call Jeff
Bezos Jeff O Packages, Jeff. That would be you know,
Jeff bookstore over here, Jemmy Books, Jeff got. It would

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be great if he called like Maddest Jim, Jim Marines,
David Army over here. It's name great names. Also, it's
crazy that we actually had a guy in that job
whose literal name was almost David Army. It was it was.
It would have worked out so well for him. That's amazing.

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Wolfin's carried out several picketing actions, which were basically protests
in public areas where Rockwell and his stormtroopers would carry
incredibly racist signs attacking the Jews or black people. They
also published anti Semitic pamphlets and books with titles like
Battle Call, Fight on Your Feet with the World Union
of Free Enterprise Socialists, or Live on your Knees with
the Jews. Not great at titles. I mean, Battle Calls

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a fine title, but that's subtitle, not click whatever. The
police stories remember tells stories like this, and then there's
like a title that has like the word Jews in it.
There's always like implied, like you put a little stank
on it. Yeah, and like it's always there. You can
always feel it. You can't even even just reading it,
just the way the rest of the synthes just like
how they how they how they wrote it, Like, man,

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I know how you're I know how you're hearing this
word when you write it. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, I
know how you're saying it in your hand as you
typed it. Now, it's important to note that Wolfin's was
not yet a totally Nazi party, at least not explicitly.
That oath was a private oath. Okay, So you just
mean like they weren't like, by the way, we're Nazis,
not not yeah, super out, we're swirling around it. I

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mean they were calling them to those national socialists, but
they were up to that point avoiding being super explicit
about the Nazi thing. I mean, nationalism and socialism are
two things. Great, what are you gonna do? And Rockwal
did not consider himself a fascist. He said he wanted
an authoritarian republic, which is totally different fascism. You know
that many fascists that want to call themselves fascists think

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about fascists, he said, fascist gotten the way a free enterprise. Um. Now,
while Hitler had been a racial nationalist, Rockwell sought to
spread what he called international racism. He believed that millions
of Americans and Europeans were quote only a synapse away
from discovering that they were national socialists and never knew
it because they have never been allowed to know what
national socialism is. Okay, maybe he felt that most conservatives

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were really national socialists. They were just scared of the
word itself because of all the bad press the original
Nazis had received for some press press love sister up controversy.
You can't stop attacking us for a couple of more
than ten million dead in death camps, a couple of

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more than ten million, twenty million killed on the Russian Front.
It's just you know, bias in the media. You kill
thirty or forty or fifty million people. Now, Rockwell knew
that his first step towards making national socialist im palatable
to the general public was to convince them that the

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Holocaust wasn't real. This was revolutionary at the time. There
was no such thing as organized Holocaust denial in nineteen
fifty nine. It did not exist. Tens of thousands of
Americans had seen the death camps for themselves in person.
Everyone had watched the news real footage from camps liberated
by the American Army. That was like one of the
things Eisenhower had done. As soon as we found like, oh,
everybody's seeing the ship like this has like the world

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has this real thing. Yeah, so that people don't do
what Rockwell is about to do like that fifty nine
there are thirty year old Holocaust, sixteen year old Holocaust survivors. Yeah. Yeah.
So in order to accomplish his goals, George Lincoln Rockwell
had to invent the idea of Holocaust denial. Here's how

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for Race and Nation describes that process. Quote to establish
a Holocaust was a hoax theme. Rockwell fabricated a story
for a seedy men's pulp magazine called Sir with an
exclamation point. The story quote by a former corporal in
the SS as told to Master Sergeant leu Core, which
is Rockwell spelled backwards phonetically related how the Nazis conducted

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vivisection on Jewish concentration camp inmates. The article was accepted
and Rockwell received seventy five dollars in payment. When it
was published. The editors used concentration camp photos alongside his
story to enhance its appeal. To Rockwell's we have thinking
since the publisher had used bogus photos for a bogus story,
the Holocaust must be a Jewish fabrication. Rockwell was to
use the magazine article is proof of a Holocaust hoax

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for the rest of his life. Yeah, there's what do
you what do you say to that invented He invented
Holocaust and by like pretending to like fake, by writing
a fake story, real stuff that Nazis cut up Jewish
prisoners in the Holocaust. Some of the doctors who did
it admitted it later. He just wrote a fake article

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article that could be like debunked to be like, see
they're lying about the thing that has actually oh my god,
what sucks. What you could argue that modern Holocaust deniers.
I mean they're bad people, but maybe they're just maybe
they really believe what they what they're saying. But this
is somebody that what's so evil about it is he

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knows that he fought in World War two. Yeah, like
doing that in the late fifties because then, yeah, you
have people now who are like, oh, it's sixty years
later after this conspiracy theory even started. So it makes
sense that you can fall down that rabbit hole and
like get convinced. You could talk to twenty five year
olds with numbers on their arms. Right at this point,

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what a bad person. I'm sorry, I'm starting to changing
mind about George really on board for the first six pages, Yeah,
this is too much. This would be the first great
innovation in Rockwell's life. Is the most influential racist in
American history. But it was not enough to save to
the terribly named wolfin without the backing of their millionaire
patron and without any kind of mass popularity whatsoever. Rockwell's

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dream of a National Socialist Party quickly fizzled out. By
June of nineteen fifty nine, he had only three troopers
left and the lease was up on their headquarters. Rockwell
left the United States for Iceland, where his wife and
kids had fled because it turns out they didn't like
being with the guy who was trying to revitalize national
socialism less than twenty years after This is the Second Yeah.
When he arrived in reki Vic, his wife wanted nothing
to do with him. The police escorted him from her home.

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He got ship house wasted and cried for a while,
and then he decided that he must use the pain
of his emotional loss to galvanize him into being an
even greater fighter for the cause of white people who,
let me tell you, we're really hurting in nineteen He
would later say that his wife leaving him had given
him a quote priceless armor of fearlessness. What doesn't kill
us makes us stronger, It doesn't kill us makes us Nazis. Yeah, sometimes,

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George Lincoln Rockwell we returned to the United States with
his new armor of fearlessness and began making the changes
he believed would be necessary to cause national socialism to
catch fire in the American heart, and the first step
he decided was to stop calling at national socialism. You
might expect that this would be his first move towards
embracing a more moderate label for his organization, but Rockwell
actually went the opposite direction and started calling himself a Nazi.

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Here we go, yeah, oh my gosh. His strategic considerations
were based entirely around what would gain him the most
public renown. A bunch of men wearing swastikas calling themselves
Nazis and goose stepping around at demonstrations would gain more
notoriety than a fere weirdos ranting about national socialism and
making this call, Rockwell was consciously pulling inspiration from a

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passage in mind camp quote from Hitler. Whether they laugh
or swear at us, whether they present us as fools
or his criminals, the main thing is that they mentioned us,
that they occupy themselves with us again and again, and
that gradually, in the eyes of the workers, we appear
actually as that power with which alone one has to
reckon at the time. There it is, there, it is,
there's that. Oh, there's yet another just piece of the

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frustrating puzzling with we all live, which we all live,
so like, uh had attention, good attention, currency, may attention
his currency. He would have loved Twitter. Maybe that's George
Lincoln Rockwell would have dominated. Yes, he would have. Yeah,
he would have probably eventually gotten banned and then used
that to sort of pushed forth. He would have then

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screenshot his name trending and then posted it on Instagram trending.
And that's good, no matter what. I gotta like, I
get the joke. But I think he's smarter than that.
I think he knowing. I think he would have used
it way better. I don't think he would have been
like I don't think. I think he would have done
in this day a thousand times better than Richard Spencer
or Jacob and he failed. Yeah, I mean, they're they're

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like dopes, didn't stumbled into what they are. This guy
is like, he's a genius, right, He's a terrible Yeah,
he's tells him. Man, he's just fucking stupid, just a monster.
But in October, George Lincoln Rockwell officially formed the American
Nazi Party. With this action, he gave birth to the
concept of neo Nazi is um so been at Holocaust

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and Island Neo Nazism within a year of each other.
Heidi Barak, who tracks hate groups for the Southern Poverty
Law Center, said this in an interview with the w
A m U Radio. Quote, he was the first person,
after World War Two, in the knowledge of the Holocaust
became known and the horrors that had happened under Hitler's
regime to take an overtly pro Hitler position. Really, he's
responsible for creating neo Nazism in the United States. It's

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entirely possible. Without Rockwell, Nazism would be dead as a
political concept, at least in the United States. That is debatable.
What isn't debatable is the foundational role Rockwell played and
the concepts behind racist organizing in this country and worldwide.
On Christmas Day, n a synagogue and Cologne, Germany, was
defaced with swasticas and anti Semitic graffiti. This sparked a
rash of attacks on synagogues across Europe. Rockwell joyfully took

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credit for inspiring the violence. He added quote, I deplore
the avenue some of them have chose. I would not
permit my troopers to paint swastikas on synagogues or churches.
It's not necessary here. It is in Europe, where there's
no other way. You know, this is a terrible time
for but we're pivot, pivoting, and your money. We're back.

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Thank god, Thank god. You guys. I could tell you
were like shaking from Rockwell withdrawals. Yeah, I was. I
felt lost during that ad bin you know, I know
that's what nazis. Sometime during the nineteen sixty election, George
Lincoln Rockwell caused controversy by publicly endorsing Richard Nixon. This
movie would be echoed decades later by the decisions of
former KKK leader David Duke and racist asshole Richard Spencer

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to endorse Donald Trump in the two thousand and sixteen election.
To his credit, Nixon immediately told ABC, I completely repudiate
him and all the evil he represents. Thank you, Nixon,
Thank you, thanks, thanks, thank you Nixon. Thanks for not
waffling on whether or not to disavow a literal nuts. Yeah.
Also thanks for the e p A Yeah, and opening

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up trade with China the god not thank you for
extending the Vietnam War and additional debts but it wasn't
wasn't a zero something? Also all that racist stuff at least. Yeah,
but stop talking about Nixon. We'll do the nine partner

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on another day. Rockwall was not just a blind ideological
hate monger. He was a serious racist thinker with serious
racist goals. In a fairly logical way of looking at
the world, he developed a set of four phases that
he believed were necessary for his party and its racist
ideas to gain power in America. These rules were based
not just on what Hitler had done, but on these
strategies successfully employed by communist political movements in the East.

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Phase one become known. This includes getting in the headlines,
rallies and promotional material. Phase two developed leadership cadres, teaching
about white rights, the anti white movement, misagenation, and party tactics.
Phase three mass recruitment. This includes public relations, toning down
the party in order to become more mainstream, recasting the
party is legitimate, instigating tensions that increased party membership i e.

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Racial riots, and Phase four taking of power mass action.
A crisis situation leads to rapid expansion. Paramilitary substrata of
the movement begins to take control by force, and using
direct confrontations with the government and the security apparatus of
the state. Assume you saw those uh chatlogs from direct
descendant of the American Nazi Party, as are literally all

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of the fascist groups where yeah, actively trying to infiltrate
the Republican Party and influence it. Yeah, he is the
founding father of American like active fast. You're not sure
if you're going to get to that or not. The
third episode is just about what he cannot wait. Oh,
it's gonna be horrible. I hated. Rabo was above all

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else a creative political thinker. On June nine, sixty one,
he took nine members of his new revitalized American Nazi
Party to a Nation of Islam rally and Washington, d C.
The Nazis marched right into the Lena Arena, outnumbered eight
hundred to one, and took their place among the otherwise
almost entirely black audience. They were not there to protest,
but to show support the Nation of Islam's leader, Elijah

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Mohammed and his right hand man, Malcolm X, were at
the time black separatists. Malcolm X's speech that night was
literally titled Separation or Death. Despite repeated shocking statements of racism.
Rockwell also regularly expressed admiration for Malcolm X. He backed
the Nation of Islam because he saw them as having
the same essential goal as the A and P racial
separation of black and white people. At one point during

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his speech, Malcolm X admonished the white members of the audience,
telling them they should really donate to the Nation of
Islam if they supported its cause. Rockwell was among the
first to whip out a twenty dollar bill and handed over.
Life photographer Eve Arnold, who was there to shoot the event,
took a picture of this. She was Jewish, and when
Rockwell saw her photographing him, he yelled, I'll make a
bar of soap out of you. She replied, as long

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as it is in a lampshade. Solid. What a girl,
What a girl? Alright, alright, Yeah, that's a good that's
a good comeback. I just locked eyes as all the
women in the room, and we're all like nodding. Yeah.
The Nation of Islam event was great pr for Rockwell.
Esquire magazine attacked him in his ideas, but couldn't avoid

(44:13):
describing him in weirdly positive tones. How much taller he
is than Hitler, and how much better looking and how
much better looking? To be fair, they weren't wrong. By
this point. He shaved his mustache and he looked a lot.
I mean, look at that. He's the guy in the middle,
and okay, yeah, it's an improvement. Who does he look
like to me? He's got some cheekbones going a little

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bit carry Grant in there, a little bit carry Grant.
He is much taller than Hitler. I mean, this isn't
a side by side between him and Hitler, but you
can didn't tell. I mean, he looks like an actually
doesn't look like a leading man. He looks like the villain,
but like, but he's like kind of in the way

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that like Billy Zane. Yeah, part of you was like,
go with Billy Zane. You know, he's got a hell
of a jaw line. So Cody, yes, I'm really excited.
The American Nazi Party was chronically low on funds the
entire time Rockwell ran it. His fundraising strategy then relied
entirely on jending up controversy and his public appearances and
using that to solicit donations. He had a variety of

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ways of accomplishing this, but his most reliable tactic was
getting invited to speak at colleges interesting there would inevitably
be protests and often fight him, which would lead to
publicity that would convince hidden neo Nazis to mail him checks, insisting, well,
those protesters seemed like the real Nazis. There's protesters because
they're trying to shut down. To speak. In San Diego,
the Committee for Student Action invited Rockwell to speak at

(45:44):
the State College. He gave a speech to a group
of three thousand students, introducing himself by saying, if I
had wanted trouble, I could have worn my uniform with
my Nazi arm bands and the whole works. Believe me,
I know how to stir people up if I want to.
Rockwell then railed against homosexuality in California. He talked about
seeing men holding hands in the streets of Hollywood and
told the students, if there's one thing I'd rather gas
than communists, it's queers. At one point, twenty two year

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old Ed Cherry, a Jewish student and hero, took the
stage and demanded Rockwell hand on the microphone, and Rockwell refused.
Cherry punched him in the face repeatedly and broke his
sunglasses punch of Nazi. The rest of the speech was canceled.
Next Rockwell and his men were scheduled to give a
talk to journalists at the school newspaper. During the rock
walk from the auditorium to the paper's offices that were

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surrounded by students and pelted with eggs. Here's how for
Race and Nation described what he said. When he finally
talked to the baby journalists. Rockwell told the journalism students
that there was a conspiracy to discourage his speaking invitations.
The attack by Cherry was part of a plan to
keep other colleges from inviting him. He put the attack
in perspective, calling it a minor skirmish. Such violence hurt
his cause in the short run, but helped it in
the long run, because people finally realize what is happenings

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ruining this country. It's terrorism. In other words, there is
no free speech for a man who preaches what I do,
they try to kill you. I'm so Rocke would speak
at dozens of colleges over the course of his career.
We'll talk about this more in Part two, but I
can't overstate how critical they were for the A and
P S. Financial independence, and how he literally invented the
blueprint that every right wing grifter uses today. Yeah, we

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just keep coming back to speaking to college people yell
and throw stuff at me, and then I'll get more money,
and then I'll be the guy who got shouted out
of the school for violent left. Yeah, the violent leftist Nazis, um,
because that's the real that's the real situation. Did he debate, uh, kids?
And how ye love debating? Now? Nazis are good? Change

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my mind. The hundreds of dollars brought in by the
honorariums paid by collegists literally kept Rockwell's lights on. Soon
there were a n P hq buildings in Virginia, California,
and Texas. The actual number of stormtroopers was rarely higher
than you know, a few dozen who maybe like a
hundred or two at the most, but the presence of
these buildings gave Rockwell's movement street cred and also provided
an opportunity for him to make the news and thus

(47:59):
solicit or donations. A P headquarters buildings were be decked
with signs that said stuff like white man fight, smash
the Black Revolution, now the Black Revolution. To go to
the same schools as everyone use the same water revolution there.
Those of you who know me and my relationship with

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law enforcement know that I am not exactly a big
fan of the FBI. The honest I have not forgiven
them for the anarchist Exclusion Act of nineteen eighteen. But
I am, above all else a fair man, and for
all of his many many many many many many many
many many many many many many many many many, many, many, many,
many many flaws, j Edgar Hoover was not on the
wrong side of this particular issue. The Bureau instantly recognized

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Rockwell as a threat. His file described him as quote
a professional bigot, a con man, a malcontent, and a
chronic failure who will stop at nothing to gain notoriety
and even power. He is a man whose tongue and
pen are jagged weapons of slow destruction, A shrewd small
mind inflated into a national nuisance by undeserved publicity. He
is a braggart and a bully who tries to elude
his malagested followers into believing they are crusaders. Pretty good

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writing for the FIA. They did not, however, write him
off as a harmless crank, because the FBI knew something
about Nazis. I really wish the modern FBI would catch
onto quote those smaller numbers and influence The A and
P is a dangerous organization of misfits who are psychologically
and physically capable of perpetrating acts of violence. If this
organization is ever in a position to do so, these

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American Nazis, like the Nazis of Hitler's Germany, will follow
through with their obnoxious objectives of liquidating all whom they
consider inferior. It is well to remember that in his
early days, Adolf Hitler, like Rockwell, was ridicaled and scorned.
We would do well to heed the American Nazi Party
and to remember that history is replete with incidents where
a nucleus of an organization and the right conditions merged

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to shake the foundations of the world. What's a stronger
word than obnoxious? But that's like good, good, good job,
good job the FBI being aware of history and how
things happening, being aware of twenty years right, Wow, that's um.
I really wish any figure, uh, any amount of power

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would say something like that. Wouldn't that be nice? Wouldn't
that be great? But they could instead, they could like
target they could yell at people for yelling at people
for speaking at college and then target like left wing
activists and ignore that like all the organizations in the
military being sort of infiltrated by white supremacis, why would
that be important. I don't know, I don't know, I

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don't know. I would just I'm just saying stuff out loud.
It doesn't matter. It's not like there are any incidences where, say,
of military combat veteran built a six thousand pound bomb
and destroyed a federal building and killed a hundred and
sixty eight people. If something like that had happened, i'd say,
you should be okay, okay, Well, I'll keep my eyes
open for something like that. But in the meantime, I'm
going to go take a couple of maps. It's perfect,

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just like our national security interesting. Well done. Yeah. The
FBI report on Rockwell included summaries of the A and
p S major publications. Quote. The Rockwell Report, which appears
monthly or every two months, is a pseudo newspaper in
which Rockwell comments on and makes predictions regarding national and
international occurrences, lashes out at Heckler's and enemies, and discusses
a and p business. The Stormtrooper, a bi monthly magazine,

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contains articles regarding aspects of national and international Nazism and
features articles containing scurless squibs about Jews and Negroes. Scirless
squibs really like the writing shops of the old time
FBI yester. Yeah, it's much more colorful. It's good. It's
good stuff, trying to also a little bit of post.

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Definitely would have had a podcast, Oh my god. Yeah,
h h yeah, I mean, it wouldn't need to be
a podcast, just like you have a radio show like
a daily Well, I know, but I think it would
probably get canceled and somehow they know and they I mean,
I think he'd probably have taken Tucker Carlson's out to
be honest, because he's way smarter. Yeah, oh so much.

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It also included the air report also included descriptions of
the a mp S pamphlets, which are just about the
most hatefully racist things that I can imagine. The nineteen
sixties FBI agents writing about them were shocked by the
level of racism. Nineteen six, the same group that was
urging Martin Luther were shocked by the racism of the

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AMP stuff quote leaflets, pamphlets, brochures, throwaways, stickers, and other
types of easily disseminated messages are the more common types
of AMP propaganda. One repugnant pamphlet disseminated by the party
advertises a Brotherhood inward talk dictionary. They did not use
the phrase inward. Compiled by the AMP as a public
service for parents whose children are attending the integrated schools.

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There is even a section of this handy brotherhood dictionary
explaining how to be tactful about interracial love. Inside this
pamphlet is a drawing of a familiarization kit whose contents
includes such odious items as selected rocks, carefully balanced and
waited for breaking out school windows, pack of marijuana, reefer
cigarettes for smoking at interracial orgies, etcetera switch blade, knife,
lightning fast, extra long blade for stabbing students, and Spanish

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fly powerful afrodisiac for slipping into girlfriend's whiskey or wine. Great, great,
all the tools that you know how with. Like the
KKK stuff, it was racist, but it was so dumb
and batty that you could laugh at. Like the Cool
Coast camp. This is the there's just nothing, it's it's
just horrible, so Cody. I would like you to describe

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this next pamphlet, which the FBI provided as an example
of the A and P S typical humor, which they
put and I put in quotation, please don't actually read these.
Oh my god, Yeah, don't read that. I will be
putting most of this stuff up on the side. I'm
not going to put the stuff with slurs on it

(53:59):
up on the side. I'll put the things where you
can find it. But um, yeah, I don't Yeah, yeah,
we don't need to go too much into this. Uh well, hey,
I mean it's only words. Um. The very first word
is a word I will not say, um, very exclamation point.
It's it's getting people's attention, saying hey, hey, listen, look

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at this. Look at this. Uh, you two can be
a jew. Exclamation exclamation point. It's easy, exclamation point. It's fun.
Insult the white folks, make more money, love the white women.
And then there's a picture of a book called how
to be a Jew? And then yeah, I think you've
gotten it across. Yeah, there's a lot of writing. Wait,

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let me finish the joke. Hold on, I going to
read it. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
That's me reacting to the funny joke that a full
number of awful Yeah, get that out of my side.
I'm gonna burn this script after reading yeah, I mean,
this can't feel good to type up. No, No, did
not this. That's hideous. I do think it's necessary for

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everyone to hear because I want to contrast those publications
with how Rockwell presented himself. It's just like memes, it's
like the Yeah. I want to contrast those publications that
we've just gone through with how Rockwell presented himself when
he was in front of cameras and microphones addressing students.
I'm going to play you in exerpt from a speech
that Rockwell gave very close to here U c l

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A in nineteen sixty seven. So well, thank you, thank
you very much, Mr Raff. And let me first say
how grateful I am for this opportunity to speak on
the academic community. It's the only opportunity left to me
in this country to speak in a way that the

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American people get to hear and judge me for themselves
in every other forum, every other place I attempt to
speak out in the street, the people who allowed us
to claim to love free speech and demand free speech
for themselves, usually insist on using physical by to try
to stop me from enjoying my free Oh my god.
And when I try to speak in the straight lan
in the streets, I need troops. She's the only place

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where I can be. I can't even hire a hall.
When I hire a hall, and usually threatened the owner,
the bomb threats and so forth. So this is the
last refuge of free speech left in the country, and
I'm sorry to say it is usually accorded to me
by the liberals, and I must confess I admire their
courage and their sincerety in granting this opportunity to me.
Liberal congrats, liberals, classical liberals, classic liberals, let's be fair,

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that is classic liberals. Literal Nazi speak at your college.
Wo um. This clip was from you say, decades ago.
Interesting century in the past. I was wondering why the
quality of the audio wasn't as if it wasn't that,
I would have thought we were listening to see the
last weekend, not the liberal part. But no, not no.

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There was of course ample racism and rock Wolls lectures
and speeches ecologists, but nothing so hate, old, crass, incrude
as the things in A and P literature. It was
a shallow veil, but one that fooled a number of Americans.
Now that is all I have to say for today.
For part one, we come back on Thursday or Wednesday actually,
for part two, we're going to talk about the Jewish
community's reaction to the American Nazi Party and the first

(57:17):
attempts by activists you might call them anti fascists to
respond to Rockwell's truly innovative trolling. It's going to be
just a whole bunch of stuff that seems eerily familiar
despite being more than half a century old. Tune in,
you guys got some plug dobles? Well, Actually I want
to I wanna do a quick thing first. Yeah yeah, So,

(57:38):
as I mentioned at the start, this was originally going
to be part of like a five part audio book
in the Origins of American right wing Terrorism. I'm now
doing that audio book is a totally separate thing because
Rockwell round up being a full thing. So if you
go to go fund me and look up The War
on Everyone, that's the working type of the audio book.
Yeah yeah, yeah, go fund me the War on one.

(58:00):
If you want to donate some money you know, that
audio book will come out and the money that I
make for it, I will use to you know, further
the conflict journalism work, the stuff that I've done in
in Portland, uh and over in d C on the
East coast, like going to these rallies. If we get enough,
I might even be able to go somewhere like you
know Royava again or do more of the like foreign
conflict reporting. So you're gonna definitely get an audio book

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and you'll get more stuff too in the future. Go
fund meet the War on everyone. Now, do you guys
want to plug your plug doubles? Yeah, check us out online.
We don't have what you just said, no, but we've
got yeah Google Some More News and YouTube are our
show basically weekly we do stuff there. Um. We also

(58:42):
have a podcast called even more News. We talked about
the news. It's all on you can go to wherever
you want to go. You know, I would say our
patreon dot com slash some More News. That's where like
our patrons go um to support us and make sure
yeahs kind of also like makes more episodes. Um. We
try to give as much as we can, but if

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you guys give a lot and produce a ton of
really good stuff. It takes a lot some of the
best news that you can get at this moment with jokes.
Do you have a question? Would you ever let's say
the commander of the American Nazi Party speak on your podcast,
because I thought you loved free speech and if you
don't let Nazis have a platform, you don't love free speech.

(59:25):
I've have to do a pre interview. I think I
would probably do something like this maybe where I sort
of talk about that person and delve into their ideology
and sort of represent their them accurately. But it seems

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like you've done a bunch of them. Yeah, Well, some
more news Patreon, the YouTube or on Twitter. Dr Mr
Katie Katie Stole I'm I right okay on Twitter, where
you can find me yelling about Nazis even more, if
that's something you can find us on the internet. This
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