Part One: The Moonies Are So Much Worse Than You Could Possibly Imagine

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What do you? What do you? What do you? What
do you? What do you? It's what? What is it?
It's behind the Bastards, That's what it is. So what
do you got? What are you complaining about? Come on,
come on inside behind the Bastards town and hear about
bad people. I'm Robert Evans. This is my podcast. So
how did this become a town? What are you doing?
It's always been a town. What are you doing? It's

(00:24):
always been a town. Are you doing? It's like, you know,
like Waco? You know, I don't it safe? Little town
where the A t F never rambles by? All right, well,
I feel like that's all the work I should do today.
So if you do any way for me to not
do anything but us to have a show this week.
I don't any ideas. I don't have a way for

(00:45):
you to not do anything, but I do trust Daniel
put in the door opening sound effect. Here. Oh my gosh, Chris, Hello,
it's me. I'm here. I'm here to make sure you
don't have to do any work by cooling the podcast
once again, thank god, because let me tell you, I'm lazy.
All right, let's get started. How do you what are

(01:06):
we gonna learn about today. How do you feel about
the Thompson submachine gun? Oh, my gosh, of of the
submachine guns, it's a pretty good one. If I was
going to fire into a bunch of gangsters at close
range in like a parking garage, or if I was
going to shoot into a bunch of Nazis in a
trench at close range, Thompson submachine gun would be high

(01:28):
up on my list of things to do that with. Ye. Unfortunately,
you can't make the Thompson submachine gun really in the
US anymore, but there's a semi automatic variant you could. Yeah, yeah,
the Symbiontomatic Variants is. The rights to produce this is
owned by a company called Car Arms. Yeah. Car they
make up make a lot of Lady brand of guns

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like little Pink carry guns and stuff too. I didn't
realize they were the ones who owned the only Thompson
submachine guns semipad and they also so they famously also
made a gun called the car m K forty s
the automatic pocket Rocket, which I'm mostly talking about because
the pocket Rocket just seems like an incredible name for
a gun to me. Yeah, this is this is this

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is a weapon. You know. They make this pivot in
the nineties when you start seeing some gun control regulations,
and one of the things they do is they make
this gun and it becomes you know, it's it's a
kind of compact nine Millima handgun. Well, the MK forties
a forty millima forty Smith and Wesson. Is it okay?
This is this is this is where this is where
men I think the guns. Maybe there are other versions,

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but yeah, the one I'm looking at right now is
a is a forty which forty Smith and Wesson is
a large caliber for such a small gun because it's
a tiny little piece. They have ankle hold for it. Well,
the NYPD YPT just like loves this gun. This, this
is their favorite gun. The police department like allows them
to use it on duty. And they called the car

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MK forty the Mooney Gun because it was designed by
one Justin Moon, the son of one Reverend Sun Young Moon.
And that is who we're talking about, son Young Moon
and his many many, many many and I cannot emphasize enough.
She has like twenty of them sons and also daughters.
Great and one of them is making what I'm guessing

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is a really high caliber handgun for scared middle class
moms who I don't want to carry something heavy but
want to be able to shoot what they imagined to
be a six and a half foot tall mugger. It's great,
and uh, we're we're we're in. In the next part
of this episode, we're going to find out a lot
more about the guy who makes this gun and it
is who who owns this company right now, and it

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is not good. It's very bad, fucking dope. And yeah,
I just looked it up. Those of you at home,
if you're finding it, certainly seems like all of the
semi automatic uh uh Thompson submachine guns I'm able to
find right now are made by Auto Ordinance, which was
bought out in by Solo Enterprises, Inc. Which is the

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parent company of car Arms and solcome to another team
of this episode, which is there are approximately one trillion
front organizations and sub organizations and they are founded by
a man named Sun Young Moon who was born on
January six, nineteen and a whole the date January six
in your mind. We will be coming back to that

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next episode. I've never heard of anything important happening on
January six. That's that's bizarre. Now, now, you free, it was,
it's it's it's the Messiah's birthday. This is this is
the day. It's like it would be like something significant
happening on the day after September ten. I just can't.
I just can't get it in my head. But okay,
so put put it, put it. Put a pinion this
thought right now? It is it is uh, Okay, I

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apologize to the Korean people for what I'm about to
do to their language. Um pyeong yung pukto. He's born
in a village. Yeah, a small village in what is
now North Korea. Um, and this it's okay, Chris. As
angry as the Koreans are, I don't think they're yelling
will get louder than the yelling of English pe pists
that I can never get any of their street names correctly.

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The thing, the problem is still that I have respect
for the Korean people. I have no respect for the Anglos.
And the Anglos can find me on Twitter at I right, okay, yeah,
that's exactly your Twitter account, and I will explain how
it should be pronounced Leicester. But anyway, continue Chris Moon
Moon is from a pretty middle class family in this

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sort of rural farming village. And you know what middle
class means is that he doesn't starve very much. But
this is, you know, because this is the way terrible
place to grow up because Korea and for how to stardood,
this place is occupied by Japan. People are being like
enslaved and drag off to go find the wars. There's
there's just there's this mass campaign that force it to

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spe Japanese, so on so forth. So it's it's not
it's not a great place to grow up. And yeah,
it's it's a rough time to be in Korea. It's
pretty bad. Now. Um Moon Moon is a weird kit
uh he he's you know, he's incredibly stubborn. And I'm

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just gonna read how he describes himself in his book
as a peace, love and global citizen. When I was
a child, I had the nickname day crier. I earned
this nickname because once I started to cry, I wouldn't
stop for the entire day. When I cried, it was
so loud that people would think something terrible had happened.
People sleeping in bed would come out to see what
was going on. Also, I didn't just christ sitting still.

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I would jump around the room injuring myself and creating
an uproar. Sometimes I would bleed. I had this intense
personality even when I was young. So this is a
weird kid. So definitely like some parents who are pretty
sleep deprived, I think we can yeah, And I think,
you know, what are the sort of things with this
early childhood is that it's very hard to find information

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that isn't from the Church. And I think part of
why he's writing this is that a lot of his
sort of early history has been sort of propagandized to
sort of fall in line with with church doctrine. And
I think this is one of those things that though
it's also just like the fact that he's calling himself
day crier. It's very weird. But you know, one of
the sort of church sacraments of the Unification churches he's

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gonna found in a little bit is you know, crying,
dream prayer. But and you can see this sort of
like he's he's he's already like like he's projecting him
sort of himself back like into this story. And you know,
part of part of the other how how how this
plays out is that when when when he's ten years old,
his family conversed converse to Presbyterianism, and they are what

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had they been before? I couldn't find any records of it.
My guess is they were like they were doing some
kind of like local Korean religion, because there's a lot
of I don't know much, but not as best I
can tell, not Christian though, there's not really records of it.
But when they convert to Christianity, they like they go

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hard that this family is very religious. Moon is incredibly religious,
and six years later in the Eastern Morning, claims that
Jesus showed up to have a chat with him. Now Jesus,
Jesus tells him that Jesus had in fact failed to
save humanity because people didn't believe in him, and that
Moon had to go finish the work that Jesus started. Wow,

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it's like a reverse Luke Skywalker. It's it's pretty well
and you know, unlike Luke, Moon is like no, like no,
I will not do this, Like this is no. And
so Jesus spends a significant amount of time just like
wearing him down over like the course of days. And
then wow, that's that's that's quite an ego. When you're like, yeah,

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Jesus wanted me for this thing, but like, you know,
my I had work was really heavy this week, and
like I hadn't been able to get to the gym,
so I didn't want to put that off anymore. And like, wow, wow,
what a what an in demand dude? Oppressive? You know,
there's some question here as to like whether this is
something that Moon believed when he was sixteen or if

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he's created it later, and I'm not really sure. My
my guess is that he's back protecting this because he
stays in the Presbyterian Church for like another decade, even
though Jesus has showed up to him and like proclaimed
him the Messiah Um. What we do know is that
Moon went to sold a study electrical engineering where he
and his followers claimed that he joins the Korean independence movement,
gets arrested for it. And this is another one of

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those things where like almost every source will repeated, but
they're all going off of his church, so it's sort
of unclear. I will say though, Moon is very very
good at getting people piste off at him getting arrested,
so it is entirely possible he managed to do this
because he's going to get arrested like six more times,
and you know, so so after after this, he spent

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some time in college in Japan dry the war. And
while while he's doing this, he decides he doesn't want
you elet he wants to become a missionary. But he
runs into a roadblock, which is at the Presbyterian Church
expels him for heresy and ACTE six because you know,
he's going around claiming Messiah, which is and man, it's
not the easiest thing to get kicked out of the
Presbyterian Church for heresy, like one of the harder churches

(10:01):
to be heretical against. I would I would suggest, based
on my knowledge of Presbyterian's I mean, I will say
the not a lot of heresy goes on within the
Resbiterian will say that I think the Korean branch is
like slightly like created creating, like pripaturism. I think is
somewhat more intense than like American Presbyterianism, but like, yeah,

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it's you know, you have to go around to claiming
that you are the Messiah basically for them to be like,
I mean, yeah, and if you are, if your whole
thing is Jesus, some guy being like, oh yeah, that's
me basically is gonna folks might have an issue with that.
I get it, I get it. You know, I understand

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the concerns they have. Okay, So he makes a decision
that he is uh somewhat baffling to me, which is okay.
So he decides he's gonna, you know, he's gonna he's
just gonna go found his own church. But in order
to do this, he goes to Pyongyang, North Korea, which
is by this point your communist control. And is that
easier than I'm guessing it's easier because like now, you

(11:04):
would have to like yourself, you would have to break
a number of laws, you could just both countries to
get it to go there. I mean, this is like
right after the war. Everything is sort of it's much
easier than it's going to be. But you know, she
does this and but also still probably not like a
normal and the Communists immediately look at this like weird
Christian cult preacher who shows up and are They immediately go,

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this guy's a South Korean spy, and according to Moon,
they like torture him and leave him for dead in
the in the prison yard. Now, the funny part about
this is that this is the only part of Moon's
entire career he is not a South Korean spy, Okay,
so they suspect him for being a spy for the
only period of time that's fun, that's it's sort of amazing,

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and you know, and you know, and she this is everything.
So he claims that he's tortured in prison like a lot,
and it's possible. I don't know. I mean, the kree
in prisons are not great, but he yeah, South Korean
ones probably aren't either than at that point. Yeah, about
half of the story is about how just like an
absolute like horrifying basket, his military dictator shift South Korea

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is for like this entire period, Yeah, for a lot,
for a decent chunk of the post war period. You're
doing better if you're up than you are down the
South now. So so he, you know, his story about
this is that like his followers like come get him
and like nurse him back to health. And I have
no idea if that's true. What I do know is
that like two years later, she gets arrested again for

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quote advocating chaos in society and gets sent to a
North Korean prison camp. That is a dope thing to
get arrested for. That is, that is a sick thing
to get arrested for. Man, I would brag about that
fucking rap sheet. That's the coolest thing you can you
can do time. It's pretty sweet, I will say. The
person he gets sent you like sucks like they're they're

(12:58):
feeling fertilizer bags, but like you know, they're they're they're,
they're they're handling a bunch of just like raw ammonium
nitrate and that that that's a bad time. Um. But luckily,
instead of serving at his five years, he's bailed out
when UN forces to control of the president fiftur in
the Korean War, and so they release him and he
flees on foot with some of his followers to puss

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on ahead of the Communist advanced And this is where,
in a tidy shack he begins. He begins to write
the well, okay, sorry, I should make this clear. Okay,
he begins to write divine principle. There is another book
called the divine principle, which is a separate thing. They
are not the same thing. This is a source of
enormous confusion. Now, divine principle is it's called the Bible

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of the Unification Church. It's slightly more complicated than I mean.
So the Unification Church, which which is founding in this period,
it's like they have the regular Bible and they have
their own interpretations of it, and then they have Divine Principle,
which is the thing that he wrote. That's like they're
like higher holy text. But then there's also a bunch
of other holy text, but this is this is sort
of the main one. He starts writing it, and there's
there was an amazing story about the writing of this

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from uh, a later church preacher, and Kevin McCarthy. Even
God said no to Father three times when he presented
the Divine Principle. Father told God bullshit, God knew he
was right. Okay, wow, so this this guy is this
is something new. You know, I've done a lot of

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people who talked to God or Jesus. This is the
first cult leader I've heard of who's having like a
back and forth where he's like given as good as
he's getting. He's like, wait, no, that doesn't make any sense.
You're fucking crazy. No, Sirtain, No, No, that's not how
this is gonna work. Yeah, he's just he's basically ordering
God around it. He's ordering God around because like, look,
we stand an employee who's who's not afraid to talk

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back in management. You know, this is this is the
finally humans are unionizing against God. It's incredible. And you know,
so in n four he finally able to get the
soul and he starts his new church, which is called
the Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity.
And this is this is what's going today is the
Unification Church, or it's the cult called the Mooni's now.

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What's interesting about this church though, is in the nineteen fifties,
it is a very different cult than it is in
the sixties seventies. And the way it's different is that
there's a bunch of extremely weird sex rituals where Moon
has these like orgies to like purify the women in
the cult because they're like the He has this whole
sort of theological thing about sin that will get into

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a second, but basically this thing is like, well, because
you have sin from Eve and demons and you can
only be purified by like having sex with me, and
Moon starts forcing uh, you know, people to do this,
and one of these people is named Annie Choi who
joins the cult in the nighte in fifties. Now, Moon
starts to force hearch and join these rituals when she
is seventeen, and oh boy, is burying fifteen to seventeen

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year olds a huge den of this episode. It's not great,
Oh boy, yeah, big big pedophiles now, and he got
pregnant from Moon's abuse. But the second most important number
of Moon's operation, a guy named Bohei Pok, who is
a colonel. He well, I think at this point he's
lieutenant colonel, but he's gonna become a colonel in the
Korean Army, covers up the pregnancy and then literally, like

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once Annie has the kid, Boki Pok literally steals the
baby from her arms and then it raises the child
as his own, passing it off as like his own child.
Because they don't want to, you know, they don't want
to get out that Moon, you know, had this kid.
So he's doing a little bit of an l L
Ron hobbs. Now Annie describes how Bohe Poks wife like

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brings her some seaweed stew soup after again they steal
her baby and his wife she's like, yeah, here's some soup,
and any you know, well, it's better than not giving
her and stealing. Look, if you on the moral chart
of the universe, stealing baby, no soup worse than steal baby.
But it's still pretty bad. And she well yeah, but

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um and and any subscription fit was that she couldn't
eat it. And she quote she said, I just sat
there crying with my tears falling in the pot. Now
any yeah, that's the downside of a gift. Now. Annie
follows Park to the US to stay near her son Sam,
and when Sam is thirteen, Annie tells him the truth

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that you know, Sam is actually Annie and Moon's son,
and the Moon family like does not take this. Well,
Moon's oldest son Steve, who well, okay, so oldest legitimate
son Steve, we're gonna be talking a lot about later. Uh,
points a gun at Sam and threatens to rape and
kill Annie. So yeah, this is going great. Um yeah,

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that Steve is a real, real bad guy. We will
get into more of his ship later because it's bad.
And you know, and the sort of consequence of this
for the Moon cult is that Moon decides to just
retool it because this whole sex could thing is not working.
And it's not working because you know, Okay, well there's
all these kids now that you know you have to

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have your lieutenant steal from the mother, like the arms
of the mother and something. It's like, okay, so that
this this is bad for me. Yeah, that's great. Where
do you get the gun? Is it easy in South
Korea to get a gun? Well? So, but but this
is this is later on and by this point they're
they're in the US. Yeah, And so I will say though,
like Moon's people like they have a look into this

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more than a second. But they have a lot of
correct connections with the Korean army, like Bohei Pok is
in the army, so they have like a much easier
time getting weapons and like a Nomal person would just
because they're so heavily kept to the army. So so
a major part of this cult's belief is that Jesus
had been sent by God to create a new Adam
and Eve family, and so Moon sets out to find

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a quote true mother to finish what Jesus started. And
he finds that true mother after an exhaustive sir by
his followers, in the form of the seventeen year old
daughter of his cook. That's not great immediately marries and
keep in mind Moon is when he's marrying the seventeen
year old. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is the it's

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also not great that my first thought when you said
seventeen was like, well that is on the older side
for yeah. So at this point, this, this is where
the Unification Church stopped being the sort of weird sexical
thing that was before and I starts looking like the
modern Unification Church. And this is when Moon conducts the
first of the mass wedding ceremonies at the church becomes

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famous for, in which Moon, you know, move will just
marry off sometimes thousands of couples. How many folks are
there in this this cold at this time, rack especially
especially in the early period. I think in nineteen sixty
there's like a few thousands. Although it's that the numbers
of this are going to be extremely elusive all the time,
um partially just because like so it's biggest branches are

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gonna be in Japan, and the numbers on that is
no one has any idea basically, So yeah, this is
a this is a constant source of contention. It's like
how many people are in it? A little bit of
a black boss now it's the wedding ceremony. These these
are these sort of mass weddings that they're doing are
very weird. Um. And to get to get into why

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they're so weird, we need to talk a bit about
like what the Unification Church actually believes. Now, the church
is a it's it's a mixture of essentially like it's
it's it's it's mostly based on Christianity, but it has
this sort of mixture of Buddhists, like Confucian Daoists, and
also sort of like local like Shamanic Korean religious traditions

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that are that are all sort of mixed into it.
And the main difference from Christianity other than you know,
Jesus being betrayed and not completing God's plan, is that
they believe that Eve cheated on Adam with Lucifer before
they could be married, and that this is what the
story of the fall is. And it's it's it's it's
really funny too because they have these weird they have

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these weird interpretations the Bible. Well where they'll say things
like okay, they'll they'll do this like hyper scientific literalism.
Well they'll be like, okay, so it is in fact
impossible for the Gardener Union story to have happened because
snakes can't talk. And they're like, so, clearly this is
a metaphor, right, because the snake can't talk. That's that's
an interesting line to draw. Like, well, yeah, there's a

(21:26):
god with angels who's magical powers and and there's a
holy ghost and stuff, but like talking snakes, come on,
it's an incredible line to have. It's like believing Star
Wars is a documentary, except for when you see everything
and you're like, well, that that couldn't happen a big
hanry man. Yeah, it's it's pretty incredible. Um. And now

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one of the sort of one of the sort of
consequences of this story about the Fall is that, you know,
so the Falls is basically about like having sex before marriage,
and you know the consequence of this humans all live
outside of God's law and live in the quote unprincipled
realm where they serve Satan. And this gives the church
a incredible laser like focus on on the traditional family

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and defeating what Moon calls free sex or sex outside
of marriage. And it's it's weird. It's a weirdly straight
laced cult, especially for something that like literally started as
a sex cult, it turns into this thing where there's
no drugs, there's no sex, there's no alcohol. Except there's's
one exception those which is the church has a sacrament
that you drink at like weddings and some events. That's

(22:31):
it's a bunch of alcohol bakes together and it may
or may not do what. I don't know see this
because there's there's a whole debate about this because this
this thing might have Moon's blood in it. And yes,
the actual complication that this is a secret. Uh, like
high level members of the church don't actually know whether
or not there's blood in it. Like they have different
opinions and the like sometimes a contract each other. Moon

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has both said that it literally is his blood and
then also that it's not his blood in it. So
there's a there's a whole running debated this. That's rad,
you know what, That critical support. That's cool. That's among
the cult leader flexes I've come across. That's one of
the better ones. So yeah, I'm not gonna tell you

(23:14):
if you drinking my blood you might be. We've got
what's important is you drink whatever I tell you too.
That's what's critical. So so yeah, we we we we
have Shroding we have Shrodinger's vampiresm But the everything about
this is that this this is a very conservative sort
of Christian could but there's also this like new edge
thing to it, a New Age like sort of edge
to it. And and you know, for for example, they
called God's existence in the universe the universe the prime

(23:37):
universal force. And I'm going to read a passage from
the Divine Principles. Not to be confused with Divine principle.
These are two separate things. Uh, the Moodies will get
extremely mad if you confuse them, even though they have
basically okay. So in in this Golden Age, the highly
advanced scientific achievements of the Occident will serve to make

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the eternal life of the new world convenience and pleasant,
and the highly advanced religious and metaphysical achievement of the
Oriens will provide the philosophy of the New Age. Thus,
the New Age will see perfect harmony between the cultures
of East and West. The one unified world will be
fulfilled horizontally between the Occidents and the Orient, and also
vertically between the spiritual and physical worlds. In this unified world,

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all nations will live in harmonious association with all others
and share a common religious philosophy under God's direct guidance.
This new age will no longer be regarded as the
Christian era, and said, it will be known as the
Cosmic era, with the adoption of a cosmic calendar. And
you know this is yeah, but I think this is
this is you know, like this is like one of

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the Moon's strokes of genius because it lets him play
both sides of the religious ile. For you know, when
they're trying to convert Christians, they play up the sort
of Christian family value side, and this lesson get in
with the sort of the Christian the sort of Christian
family values. Right when they're dealing with hippies, they play
up this sort of new agey stuff. It's it's genius,
it's it's this. They they they've synthesized sort of by accident,

(25:02):
but they've they've synthesized basically. There's there's there's all of
the sort of political and cultural trends of like the
sixties all the way through the eighties, and and and the
the other sort of important aspects of this faith is
that everyone is born with like sin from a bunch
of sources. I mean, there's there's there's a lot of
different like things that give you sin um, one of

(25:22):
which is like, you know, you have eves sin, and
so in order to get rid of eves sin for
you know, like doing the fall during your wedding ceremony,
the wife and the groom take terms like beating each
other with a giant stick, which what what is this?
What kind of wit is this? I don't know. It's
just a stick, and it's like it's just it's just

(25:43):
a stick. It's it's kind of I think it's kind
of baseball bat esque. They beat each other with this,
and Robert, do you know who else will be will
beat you with a baseball bat um? I mean the
Texas State Juvenile Justice. Yeah, that they could sponsor us.
That that's a thing that might happen. Yeah, that could happen.

(26:05):
Fingers crossed, God willing. You know, if Christ is with
us as he is with Reverend Moon, that will happen.
And yeah, we will have products and services eternally. Uh, yeah,
we're back. People are getting whacked by sales decks. We've

(26:28):
been a bad influence on honestly, most of the weddings
I've been to would have been improved if the bride
and groom had to hit each other with a bat.
I'm gonna I'm just gonna say it, that would make
most weddings better for the spectators at least. What especially
if you can hit the priest too. Yeah, Unfortunately, you
don't do that. It's it's it's just it's just you

(26:49):
hit your wife and your wife hits you. Well. Yeah,
and unfortunately it gets the gets less. Frun from here
because you also have to pay, like Judas is Sin,
which means that in whorder to get married, you have
to pay a hundred and twenty dollars to the church.
Because that's uh, you have to. You have to. You
have to repay thirtyfold Judas is sin of the thirty coins,

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which are you Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?
That's that's what makes it okay, That's what God is Like.
I'm so pissed about this thing that I set up,
an engineered and knew was going to happen centuries before
I ever did. I'm so angry about it that you
gotta pay me to be fair. So their their version,

(27:31):
in their version of the Judas betrayal. God's plan is
not for Jesus to die. God's plans for Jesus to
like found a family. And then what happens is said
is that he gets trayed, and that that that that's
the origin of like that sin. Right, so it makes
slightly more you know what, but that makes more sense.
That is that the one price, it's also a dred

(27:52):
and twenty yen. It's also a hundred like it's it's
it's just a hundred and twenty of whatever the denomination
of currency is, whatever courtesy it is from, like gold, gold,
chroman gold coins. It's like it's it's great, well, yeah
it was thirty pieces of silver gold. Yeah, because I'm
gonna guess thirty silver coins whatever size they were back then.

(28:14):
It's probably like come rand today. Like I always had
the feeling in the Bible that like that wasn't nothing,
you know, that was that was like a pretty good,
pretty good pay for giving Jesus up. Yeah, but so
you know you have so you have that sin, and
and there there's there's also other sin. There's so there's
there's there's demonic influence in your in your like historical bloodline,
right and you know what, They're not far off according

(28:38):
to a random Wikipedia page on thirty pieces of silver,
depending on you know the size of coin and the value,
the type of silver and whatnot that went into it. Approximately, Well,
you're not paying for a thirtyfold then, though someone else
said ninety and three thousand. I don't think anyone knows, Chris.
I don't think anybody has any idea how much. Please continue.

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So you also have this demonic sin, and and with
the demonic sin, you have to pay the you have
to pay the church per generation of your family to
purge the bloodline from sin. That's it's nice that they
went with a flat race. It's like some families, like
I'm Italian, my family has a lot. You go back
a couple of generations, it's way more sins than the

(29:23):
present generations. Especially British people. What a deal the British
you're getting. If you're fucking grandpa was with the East
India Company or whatever, you're like Holy Ship Bucks saying, man,
you know you joke about this. One of the things
that they do is like they get Japanese women to
like like pay pay the church, like enormous amounts of

(29:44):
indulgences as like a like payment for the comfort women
in Korea, so like they they're legitimately doing this. That's
that's a mess. I mean, yeah, that's a really complicated
kind of horrible too. Like you really have to sit
down and think out the per mutations of how that's bad.
It's it's it's it's worse than even sounds now for
reasons that we will get into late a bit. U boy,

(30:08):
I don't like that very much. The more you look
at this to more of the church has to look
like a pyramid scheme, right, because in order to get married,
you have to be part of the church for three years,
convert three people to join the church, pay them money,
and then moon or like later Originally it's just mood
will pick who you marry, but later on, like there's
like there's like church committees that will like select who
you're going to marry. And you know, you see how

(30:28):
this process works, right, in order to get married, you
have to bring more people into the church. And then
in order to you know, so that's the first process.
You bring in your your new marks, and then your
new marks start paying the church and so you what
what you have in order to get in, you know,
the whole whole thing of this, the Church's whole ideologies.
You have to get married and that like if if,
if you're not married, you can't see the Kingdom of Gone,
and you can't have sex. So this whole cult is

(30:49):
designed as a sort of pyramid scheme to like it
just bring bring more people in and pay them more money.
And so you know that that's one way they bring
people in. The other way is through you know, sort
of like classic cult recruitment stuff. So they have hundreds
of friant groups and you know, they'll have like a
farm and they'll be like, hey, come to this farm.
Have it will be at shell time. And so you know,
they do these things where they make everyone chant constantly,

(31:10):
and they constantly move everyone back and forth if your
activities and suddenly there's just like enormous pressure to conform.
And you know, when you try to leave, they'll be like, oh, well,
we don't have any busses that can take you back
to the city right now, so it's really inconvenient for us.
Will you stay for like a couple more days? And
they you know, they sort they a lot of times
like so they the way it usually works as they'll
assigned like a member of the cult that's like your person,

(31:33):
and they follow you around all the time, and you
like to become friends with you. That's a pretty common
kind of thing. Yeah, and then you try to leave
like your friend, like emotionally blackmails you into stay late
and staying and more of the more of the hits
they're playing their heads now, the old, the best, the
top forty of being This is pretty classic cult stuff.
But the scale, the scale here is incredible. Now, Reverend

(31:54):
Moon or Father or Father Moon as they call him,
claims to be the literal messiah bringing about heaven on earth,
and he is trying to take over the world like that.
That is the goal of the cult and it's it's
what Moon, and he's very consistent about this. It is
what Moon and all of his organizations are dedicated to
him taking over the world. The goal is to crush communism,
reunify North beautified Korea with Moon as its ruler. And

(32:17):
then after she's defeated Communism and crushed North Korea and
you know there's there's one Korea. Uh, the U s
will like fall into in subservience in like in deference
of the superior Korean states and then they will take
over the rest of the world. That seems optimistic. That
seems optimistic. He was never close to doing this, but
he gets much closer to this than like anyone should

(32:40):
ever be able to do to having the United States
about a Korea's sovereignty. Yes, this, he gets closer to
this than anyone ever reasonably should. Um. I'm gonna read
a quote about what his goal is here. Quote, the
whole world is in my hand, and I will conquer
and subjugate the world. When we are in battle against

(33:01):
the against the whole of the nation of the US.
If you truly are in love with the nation, and
if you truly love this nation more than anything else,
this nation will come into God's possession in Satan will
have nothing to do with it. With that as a bullet,
we can smash the whole world. So he actually just
has says stuff like this because she's trying to take
over the US, Because he realizes that if he takes
over the US and Korea and a few other in

(33:24):
like Japan, a few other countries, he can just be
can see control of the entire world. And the other
aspect of this is that he has the spiritual power
that allows him to sort of walk in the spirit
world with Leason's tireful followers can do this too, and
so he finds and gets you know, the he'll he'll
find world leaders in the spirit world and and get
testimonies from them. So here here some of what they

(33:45):
have to say. This is part of Moon's message of
endorsement from John F. Kennedy, which takes the form of
a letter to the United Nations. Those of you at
the United Nations, I am John Kennedy. I want you
to clear an extremely important thing to you. The fact
that Kennedy sending a message from the spiritual world to
the United Nations is something that cannot be imagined in
your world, and it is very significant news. Through attending

(34:07):
lectures of the New Truth, Divine Principle and Unification Thought
here in the spirit world, I have understood the direction
and the goal that the world must take today. I
want to let the u N know the following Reverend
Sung Young Moon is the Messiah, the Savior, and the
true parents of humankind. All human kind of the u
N have to understand the ideology and works of Reverence
Sung Young Moon, and they have to accept his leadership

(34:29):
and guidance. So that's that's that spirit world JFK giving
their endorsement to Reverend Moon. Um, that's good. I mean
that is that is very like, honestly very nice of
the path because you know, it takes a lot you
have had a lot of ego to be the president
and to really just bow down to this guy in Korea. Um,

(34:52):
presidents give him, give him his endorsement. Wow, well you
know that that's turning. It's actually worse. So thirty six
presidents endorse him well dead, uh, like five presidents have
endorsed him, wile four presidents have endorsed him while they
were alive. So yeah, really well endorsed him in one way,
gone on tours with him with his organizations and said

(35:15):
that like or like given speeches for him and said
that he was doing good work. Uh yeah yeah, okay, okay,
that makes sense. Well, not endorsing Korean sovereignty over the
United States, but like, yeah, this dude's a cool guy
because he's paying maids. That makes sense. That sounds like
one of them was Clinton, wasn't it amazingly? No? Wow?

(35:35):
Good stunningly Clinton? No. George W. Bush, though, yes, yeah,
what about Carter. Carter seems to have not liked him,
which is which is good. So okay, it doesn't have
the best history with Korea Carter, but at least he's
got that right. Yeah, okay. There's a lot of these

(35:57):
sort of expeditions to the spirit realm and and one
of them, like one of his followers is his guy
named Lee. And so Lee goes the spirit world and
he finds Marx. He has he has to wander for
like many days, and he finds Marx in this like
this incredibly shabby town, yelling communist stuff at a bedraggled
mass and Lee spends two days arguing with his Angles

(36:18):
there there's there's there's no mention. Maybe Angles got tired
of him. I don't know. Yeah, but Lee spends like
two days arguing with him, and it's like, yeah, I
made a serious dent in him, Like Marx was incredibly
embarrassed at the fact that I've disproven him. He finds Stalin,
who's like barricaded in this like mud huts. He's like
he was barricading the house and there's like mud huts

(36:39):
all around it, and he tries to go find Stalin
Stalin has his guard beat him up, so he never
gets to see Stalin. That that that does you know what,
that does sound a little like Stalin. He did love
to have guards do things. He is reduced to a
pathetic drifter. Um that that also sounds like Mussolini. To
be honest, I mean a lot a lot of this
is tracking to Tojo is like living alone in a

(37:00):
house that he created where he has like a Shinto
shrine to himself. Also tracks does kind of sound like Tojoe. Okay,
when he meets Lee, he cries and were cants after
hearing about Reverend Moon's teachings. So and then gets that
does not sound like that. That does not So meets
Jesus at one point, and Jesus is incredibly grateful that

(37:20):
Moon like has him married to some spirit and then
he says that like he says that he doesn't like.
Jesus is like, yeah, I don't deserve Moon's love. But
he's incredibly mad that people are focusing on the crucifixion.
Gets better because that is so bold. That is so
mad that people are focusing on the Crucifixion and not
the Washington Times, which is actually the most important thing.
That God is doing on Earth because the Washington Times

(37:42):
Moons is Moon's outlet. Jesus stuff started talking about my
brutal murder by the state and start talking about this
fucking tablet. It's it does. I would love it if
Christ came back and did so primarily to sell subscriptions

(38:04):
to the New York Examiner or like the fucking what
do you call it? The what's the what's the what's
the fake newspaper? The famous one ship. This would have
been funny if I don't yeah whatever, and that that
wasn't the one in my mind National Inquirer. Yeah yeah,
all right, well I botched it. Please continue. So the
last person that he finds Houston. He finds a lot
of people, but he finds Hitler, and Hitler is tied good.

(38:28):
I was wondering. There is tight eagle spread to a
tree with a sign pinned to his chest that says
King of the Nazis, and all the Jews that he
killed are throwing bricks at him. No. See that doesn't
sound like a great afterlife for all. So Moon sees
this and he's like, no, stop this. He's like, well, okay,
so all these Jews can't like move on with their
with their lives, right because because of the Holocaust, and

(38:49):
because you know if Hitler, I mean that does sound
like a bad situation is kind of messed up for
him to imagine that his solution to this is for
giving Hitler so that quote a Jewish version can go
to heaven. And yeah, yes, what he forgives Whitler because
he is the spiritual drain in the sink preventing all
the Jews from going to heaven. And this is where
I should mention this Moon and like like the Unification

(39:13):
Church is like like structurally anti Semitic, like on a
level that sounds pretty anti semitic to me. Chris. He
has said. Moon has said multiple times in multiple places that, uh,
that Jews are responsible for the Holocaust because they killed Jesus,
which is like literally the oldest anti Semitic attack. I
thought it wasn't as big a deal as the Washington died.
Apparently it is. It's enough of the deal that yeah,

(39:38):
it's he's blaming the Jews for the Holocaust because they
killed Jesus. And then uh, yeah, he you know, he
says it's a lot and he also he has a
lot of things that he said, they're just like really bad.
Like he says that gay people are done eating dogs,
will be exterminated by God. Um. So, yeah, there's a lot,
there's a lot of like stuff like this. He's also

(40:00):
you know, so so in his actual cult, he has
like one of the big things he does. He has
all of his followers like spend eighteen hours a day
selling flowers for him. And you know, okay, so that
there's there's there's enormous pressure. You know this this this
is all your normal cult stuff, right. You have you
have your norse question not to leave, You have your
labor exploitation, you have your like you're stuck in this cult.
You have your marriage stuff. And so this is this

(40:22):
is the story, you know. And you know that they
have their battle with the D programers in the seventies.
And when I was running this episode, this is what
I thought this episode was going to be about. But
it turns out that while all of this stuff is
real and it's happening and it's important, this is not
the real story of Song Young Moon. That story the
story of how a Korean CIA influence operation and the
fascist wing of the Yaksa helped turn a minor Korean

(40:43):
cult into a world class anti communist political organization that
funded desk squads in twelve countries uh and built a
modern religious right. Started starts with a coup in nineteen
sixty one. Yeah, we'll get through all. So in nineteen
sixty enough rising by Korean students and workers finally overthrew
the horrific dictatorship of siegmund Re. Now they're they're heroic

(41:05):
struggle gets them exactly one year. Actually, I think it's
less than a year of democracy before Park Chunky, an
incredibly fascist military officer like No Suk Kishi met Park
Chunky after like after Parach and he took power, and
even Kei she was like, hey, you can't say that
fascist stuff anymore, like you're you're he's so fascist that Kishi,

(41:27):
like the arch Japanese fascist war criminal, was like, dude,
you gott to tone it down. And so she takes
power um in this coup, and this coup is masterminded
in large part by an army officer and politician named
Kim Jung Pill Pill. His name is his name is
Kim Jung Pill. That does sound like a joke had

(41:48):
gotten He's one of the worst people in Korean history.
He's famous for. So he he leads a political party
after there's the revolution and you get democracy back um,
and he he has he has a he manages to
get himself installed as prime ministers through a bunch of
backroom dealing, even though he had a four percent approval rating.
So he's incredibly widely hitted um. Now Bye. Moon's church

(42:10):
is firmly embedded in the army. Bohey Pawk, last seen
stealing a baby from his mother's arms and raising him
as his own son, has the same rank in the
army as Kim Jung Pill. Another Mooney is is Kim
Jung Pills close close lieutenant and translator and assistance, and
several other Moonies also become translators for Kim Jung Pill. Now,
it's unclear to me whether Moon knew this coup was happening,

(42:32):
that there's no direct evidence that he did, but it's
it's it seems kind of likely because there's so many
people who are in Moon's inner circle who are also
in the inner circle of the coup plotters in the
army that it's it's there's a pretty good chance that
he that he knew that this coup was going to happen.
What we do know for certain is that Kim Jung
Pill founded the Korean CIA, which is like it's like

(42:53):
the regular American CIA, except they also they're also the
internal secret Police, which is the role to the regular
CIA normally delegates to the FBI. But you know, they
hooked out dissidence. They kill them. They're extremely bad, and
several very high profile Moonies get jobs in the new
military tatorship. That seems like a bad call. I'm just
gonna reject that right now. Great um and sixty two,

(43:14):
Kim Jong Pill has a meeting with Bohipok where he
decides to use the Moonies, who by this point how
spread to the US as a way to run influence
operations on American politicians. Now, the result of this alliance
is that the Unification Church gets legal status and recognition
as a religion in Korean nixt two and a whole
bunch of Moonies wind up in the Korean embassy staff
in the US. So this is going great. Yeah, this

(43:39):
is I mean, there's a there's a level to which
is it is kind of nice because we talked so
much on this show about influence operations that the United
States ran in other countries to like funk with their
government and their media. And you know some now people
talk about like Russia doing that some, but we is good.
I love. I've never heard about much about influence operations
in the United States, Robert. Do you know who else

(44:01):
is running an influence operation on the United States? Um?
Is that the Washington State Highway Patrol. Yeah? That that
that that scans. Yeah, it is. But it's also it's
also the product services that support this show, of which
to Washington State Patrol is one really our main sponsor.

(44:25):
We're back, boy, howdy, I love supporting the Washington State
Highway Patrol Industrial. Seriously, you can't even I know, I
know it's Chris. Please continue. Okay, So when we left off,
Moon Moon has gotten embassy status UM by by embedding
a bunch of people in the Korean embassy in the US.
And they're able to use the status in recognition and

(44:47):
you know, and and the recognition of the Unification Church
as your religion in Korea to start getting legal recognition
in the US. And once they established themselves in the US,
they found something Moon particulars is you know, directly involved
in this. They found link called the Korean Cultural and
Freedom Foundation or the k c F, the first of well,
I don't know if it's the first. It's the first
American version of the many many, many, many, many, many, many, many,

(45:11):
many insufferable numbers of Unification Front Unification Church friend groups.
Now the k c S s. The k c F
does two things. It acts as a slush funds and
a front group for the Unification Church, and it runs
the Korean dance group called the Little Angels. Now, boy,
this this is gonna go a really bad place, isn't it. Okay,
so it's probably not as bad as what you think

(45:32):
is going to go, but it's not. It's weirder and
not good either. Now, a lot of the people in
in the in you know, this Korean Cultural Foundation, like
they don't understand there's a church friend group, which is
a common thing. There's a lot of people in church
friend groups. You don't understand what's happening. And with the
k CF, some of these people actually find out in
the in the seventies and they all get purged. But
in the nights of sixties, this seems like, you know,

(45:53):
this seems like an innocuous like Korean cultural group running
a Korean straditional dance group. And you know for people
who follow cults like yeah, this this is basically the
Following Gong shen you forty years earlier, but there's too
important different The Falling Gong or the is the cult
that is responsible for all of those those uh billboards
in cities that are like China before community some lady dancing. Yeah,

(46:15):
it's it's a weird right wing cold this is this
is this is like the O G version of this,
except there's two differences, and one of them is that
the Little Angels are directly sponsored by the Korean government,
so it's like the Blue Angels, but little girls instead
of aircraft and the sect. The second difference is that
Bohei Pok is using the Little Angels to smuggle money
from Korean Japan into the US by stuffing the kids

(46:36):
socks full of cash, just like the Blue Angels, Every
single Blue Angel flown by a child, just just moving
wads and wads and bills across the world. It's it's great.
So the cash of the Little Angels are smuggling come
from too important sources. One is Moon's chable um tables.

(46:56):
Are these these Korean super conglomerates that basically dominated the
Korean economy, and she just has one um and he
has one of these conglomerates because Moon he's able to
set one up in three presumably what's helped from his
like allies in the military dictatorship. And this is the
start of a massive economic empire that gets built up
in Korea. They have a pharmaceutical company, a stone company,

(47:17):
and titanium company. They make M sixteens for the Korean army.
They make milcan vulcan minie guns. They make the M
seventy nine grenade launcher uh and and and they also
make air guns that are used by Korean children from
military training. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because this is the yeah,
but this is this is well, I mean, if you're
going to train kids with guns, give me an air first,

(47:39):
you know, don't go right to a They make those
and and this this is just the that's just the
early stuff in Korea. Moon has literally hundreds of businesses
across the world that bringing hundreds of billions of dollars
a year and a hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Now.
The other important source of funding is the rapidly expanding
church in Japan, which is the financial empire of the cults,

(47:59):
and there is a lot of ways that the do fundraising.
Fundraising in Japan, one of the big ones is they
run the science scam, so they have a bunch of
lawyers and they target people who just got life insurance payouts,
and that they have all these mystics around the country,
and the mystics pretend to be able to channel their
loved ones who like inevitably say that, like, no, the
only way I can find pieces if you give money
to this mystic or like the church or one of
the friend groups, and they make like like hundreds of

(48:21):
like they'll they'll take an entire life insurance. They'll make
hundreds of thousands of dollars off of just individual ones
these scams. And yeah, the other source of funding is
actually an old friend of the show. But before we
can get to him, we need to talk about the
World Anti Communist League. But yeah, they're one of the
worst organizations in human history. Uh. The World Anti Communist

(48:41):
League was founded in the nineteen sixty six out of
the fusion of two other anti communist groups, the Asian
People's Anti Communist League and the Anti Bullshevik League. Of
a block of nations. So the anti Bullshevik block of
nations is basically an alliance of like the Romanian Iron Guard,
the creation New STATSI, and then like a bunch of
other Nazi collaborators like people who do gen sides and
the whole. Yeah, there's there's a quote from the leader

(49:05):
of the Eustaci who's like a true member of the
Eustazi is the man who can carve a carve a
child out of the mother's room with a bayonet. So
these are great people. Yeah, the Austazi is like of
the Nazis, one of the worst kids. You know, people say,
people say this a lot about Nazis, but it's like,
like these are the guys. Even the even like even

(49:25):
the SS looked at them and we're like this is
a bit much. It's I mean, it's like consistently happens,
whatever is going on, when it gets out to the Balkans,
that's when it finds its most like it's ultimate form.
By the time anything makes cigarettes fascism, by the time
they hit the Balkans, they are the best version of themselves.
So that that that's that's one of the two groups.

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The Asian People's anti Communist League is basically like a
creation of the intelligence services of the military dictatorships of
Taiwan and South Korea, and in the nineteen sixty six
they do they do a fusion dance and the World
Anti Communist League is born. Now in Steen sixty seven,
Moon has a meeting with two old friends of the
Pod from a Nova Sukakishi episode. Uh yohe Sasakawa. The

(50:08):
Yaka is a boss who created the Japanese Japanese Blackshirt
rip off and then visited Bussolini before getting off in
his war crimer Stribunal and becoming the self described quote
richest fascist alive throughout the risk control of the underworld
and monopoly at speedboat gambling. And the other guy is
uh Yoshio Kodama. The Yaka is a boss who escaped

(50:28):
his own war crime stribunial to fund the funded Liberal
Democratic Party at Keshi's rise to power, and then also
notably survived a kamikaze attack on his house in nineteen seventy. Jesus,
it's it's this. This episode is like the Bastard's Pod
reunion episode. Like like everyone who's ever been on this show,
It's gonna be here. So together with these two fascists,

(50:49):
Moon creates the International Federation for Victory Over Communism and
it's Japanese branch, Shoko Rerengo, which basically be the Victory
Over Communism UM. Now Shoko RNGO is basically a combination
of Unification Church members and dudes from the Yakuza, with
Sasakaua as its head and Kotoman as an advisor. And
this alliance betue the church in the Yakaza provides the
church with you know, enforcers for a Japanese operation. Is

(51:11):
also how they're able to do all these scams in
Japan because like normally normally in orders, if you know,
if you're if you're running scams that are like you're
taking a hundred thousand dollars for someone, right, like you
have to have Yakasa permission. And this this is how
they get ya permission, so like run crime in Japan,
and they also get acts to Sasakaua's enormous stores of money.
And on the other hand, Sasakowa gets legitimacy on the

(51:33):
political stage for you know, his his role as an
anti communist politician. Now, Shoko Reno almost immediately becomes the
Japanese branch of the World Anti Communist League and they
hold the next uh. They hold the next one of
the League's meetings at Sasakawa's boat boat Racing Rage in
Kyoto with full Moody supports. Now Moon the movie has
moved into a new office in Japan on land that

(51:54):
they that they bought from one Nobu Sua Kishi, who
also openly supports Choka Rengo. And he's the guy. I
think it's like the last thing we said in our
episode about him is he's the guy. He integrats the
Unification Church into the Liberal Democratic Party, so they're just
like a part of the Japanese establishment. Now it's great,
it's it's a good time. That's wonderful. Um cool, it

(52:20):
sounds fun like I I really just want to keep
mentioning this that this organization's goal is Reverend moom taking
over the world and establishing a global theocracy with him
as the head of it, like that, that's that's what
this thing is. And they keep getting integrated into the
ruling class of the political parties that run like major
industrialized nations. It's it's very cool and good. Now with

(52:44):
with with these powerful backers, a sophisticated organizational capacity. Uh,
the Moon he spread like wildfire. Moving into the nineteen seventies.
Moon gives like probably my favorite Moon quote about his operations.
I really keep the FBI busy trying to keep track
of me. After the Washington Monument rally, their biggest question
was what in the world I would do next? Even
Satan is saying, what is Reverend Mood's next move? Where

(53:05):
should I take my big guns? But most important is
even God is asking where are you going next? My
plan is clear and simple. I am inexorably moving towards
the absolute center of the universe. So this guy's got
a little limit. I mean, he's he's like, he's he's
not just doing like the Beatles were bigger than Jesus
offhanded thing. He's like, No, let me explain to you

(53:26):
the ways in which God has impressed and baffled by me.
It's really incredible. No, the center would be inexorable center.
The absolute center of the universe turns out to be
the u s where a Moon moves to an eighteen
acre state called East Garden in the Hudson River Valley.
Now this place is nuts um. Here's the here' description
of it from the New Republic. His wife and children,

(53:47):
who now numbered thirteen, had run of East Garden and
it's lavish manner, some of which one of which contained
a bowling alleys, six pizza ovens, and a waterfall in
the dining room. You know. While in the US, Moon
starts running influence operations for the Korean CIA. One of
those operations, it turns out, is funding the Heritage Foundation.
So Ed Fulner, who is the Heritage Foundation's co founder,

(54:11):
writes for one of the Moon's newsletters in the seventies,
and the Foundation, at like the very beginning of its existence,
gets to point two million dollars of k c A
A money through one of Moon's front groups rules maybe
this guy is the center of the Moon. Moon begins
to develop just like an incredibly sophisticated network of allies

(54:32):
and the new Conservative rights. One of those figures is
the infamously racist Strum Thurman, who solves one of Moon's Yeah,
he solves one of the Moon's visa issues. So moons
about to be kicked out of the country at night
seventy four because his visas up and strump Thurman, who
had become a Moon supporter through a meeting of the
World Anti Communist League. It's just like, now, I'll just

(54:53):
fix this for you, And so he's able to stay
in the US man, yeah and so so Strump, thanks,
but one time, you're not racist for this? You know,
this is from the room becomes Moon's like one of
his first allies on Capitol Hill. But Moon mood is
not content with one senator helping him out with Watergate breaking.

(55:14):
Moon sees his chance to get Richard Nixon on his side.
So inten seventy three, Moon creates the National Prayer and
Fast Committee to support nixon dream Watergate and stage protests
and like they bought a bunch of ads, like like
they do this pro Nixon thing. They have this protest
that's always where it starts with these like right wing
ghoules too, Like that was the first time they did

(55:34):
the thing that they had been doing for a while
and actually faced consequences, and they were like, we gotta
re engineer the entire world so that that never happens again. Yeah.
So they hold this protest outside of the White House
and Nixon's giving a speech and they like storm the
barricades and interrupt the speech. To like shout support for him,
and this gets Moon and meeting with Nixon in einteen

(55:54):
seventy four, which makes Nixon one of six presidents to
either meet with or support Moon his organist nations, which
and again I kind of emphasize this enough. He's dedicated
to taking over the world and crowding Moon as a
theocratic god king. It's great six presidents, most of whom
are still alive. The church also started running another series
of k CIA operations, including staging protests to support the

(56:18):
interests of the South Korean dictatorship, and a wide ranging
operation to bribe hundreds of congressmen and infiltrate their offices
by having pretty young women hang around their offices until
they get a job. And this like finally, like at
the point where they're literally running intelligence operations on members
of Congress, is like finally where the government gets involved. Okay,
well it's good, so so Donald M. Fraser, who is

(56:42):
the Representative of Minnesota, launches an investigation into the into
the kCi, into k CIA operations in the US, to
the Subcommittee and international organizations. Now Fraser discovers just an
enormous tangle of Mooney and k CIA money moving through
front groups. Uh, he finds an attempt to buy at
a bank and do you money laundering? A bunch of
people just like stuffing wads of cash and in the briefcases,

(57:03):
three senators off offices infiltrated, massive task evasion, and a
plan my Moon to use his businesses in Church to
conquer the US. Now, this scandal becomes known as Korea Gates.
And despite multiple requests by Frasier in the committee, and
you know, and then this this thing is this is
a bi partisan committee right like that, and both the
Democrats and Republicans are like, hey, you need to do
something about this guy. And nothing happens because you know,

(57:24):
South Korea by this point is too important of an
American ally for them to for the U S to
do literally anything about it running influence operations in the US. Yeah,
I mean, and what are you gonna do? They're all
wrapped around our domestic politics too, like what do you do?
What do you what? What would you actually do? I
don't know. I mean, they could have don't let people

(57:44):
make colds anywhere, but that's not clearly not a reasonable
thing to what. Now, what does actually happen as a
result of this, the Moon to create declares that Frasier
is a communist and spends an enormous amount of money
to defeat Frasier and his run for Senate, which Frasier
winds up losing by a few votes. Now, a few
nights later, someone tries to burn down his house. Uh,
no one's ever caught for this. Yeah, it's great that

(58:05):
that the the only thing that happens related investigation. Yeah.
So meanwhile Moon is searching the entire world for investment opportunities.
It begins a massive rush into Latin America. He poured
over a hundred million dollars into into Uruguay but nineteen
seventy nine, which resulted in Uruguay's military dictatorship signing a
massive arms deal with South Korea and Low One and

(58:26):
Behold companies in South Korea get a bunch of the contracts. Now,
it's fun. Uh, we've talked about what the Uroquane, Irrograine
and military to katorship did your Entreprenmorrow's episode, So we're
gonna skip over that. But Moon is a close ally
of the dictatorship, a pattern that is so regular that

(58:46):
you could literally track which countries have military to katorships.
But when Moon starts getting close to the government, like
I have done this while researching episodes, probably like when
there's dictatorship start and I have moved written down going there,
I was like, oh, okay, I know when this happened. Now, yeah,
And some of it's influenced in the situation. Some of it.
He's a smart motherfucker and he's like, well, you look
like you might be about to take over. I should
probably get in good with your ass. We'll get into

(59:07):
more of that next episode. But right now, when you
talk about something extremely important fish, yes, now, like the
band right that I've followed for seven years in the
Sea that Swim, I'm not familiar with the concepts of
the something something you are familiar with that that you
are well aware of. Is that all great cult leaders
hear the call of the sea. Yes, that is true.

(59:29):
And in nineteen and Moon gives a speech called the
Way of the Tuna, which which I'm going to read
a bit of of Oh hell, yes, this is this
sounds good. This is sounding good. Have the entire system
worked out, starting with boat building. After we build the boats,
we catch the fish and process them for markets, and
then have a distribution network. This is not just on
a drawing board. I have already done it. In the
same speech, and Moon calls himself the king of the

(59:51):
Ocean and dope, dope, dope. I mean, you know, I
I he's gonna have to go pretty hard to beat
the the the current owner of that title, our buddy
l Round Hubbard. But I'm willing to listen to So
this is the beginning. Well, but I think it's already going.
But this is this is sort of the origin point
of Moon's attempt to build an enormous fleet of boats

(01:00:11):
take over the American fishing industry. So he buys a
boat company. See, I do I have to give him.
I'm going to take points away for having such crash
finance crash financial ins l Ron Hubbard didn't take to
the sea and build a navy to make money. He
took to the sea and made a navy in order
to get twenty year olds to search for gold he
buried in a past life that he knew wasn't there

(01:00:34):
moons like state justification for this is that he wants
to feed the entire world by getting a bunch of fish.
I think I think it is a lesser fishing expedition
than Hubbard's, but it's still I think incredibly impressive. Um
that that that does show an amazing like amount of
faith in the ocean's ability to keep making fish. It's
pretty incredible. Why we'll get into a bit of what

(01:00:55):
happens there. So this he buys she just like buys
a boat company and then uses the boat company to
make boats for this fleet. And you put a million
dollars into it. And this operation is the beginning of
the Great Moody Fleet. And it's called the True World Group.
And you know, in classic cult fashionist founders like sleep
in these communal apartments and you know that they were
horrendous hours for like fish fishing dream and it worked. Uh,

(01:01:18):
you know, here's so much Chicago Tribune. True World is
so ubiquitous that fourteen of seventeen prominent Chicago sushi restaurants
surveyed by the Tribune said they were supplied by the company. Now,
because it's a capitalist enterprise and a cult, they immediately
start doing crimes. Uh there. Yeah, So the Alaska branch
he has convicted of a felony for going like enormously

(01:01:39):
over the boats carrying boats carrying capacity and endangering the
crew by having a boat that is like enormously too
heavy to float. I gotta say, I respect though, we're
not just going to endanger the ability of the ocean
to continues to support life. We're going to endanger fishermen
to you know what, both at once. Not only that,
they are also going to endanger everyone who eats this fish.

(01:02:00):
So when when when pod alumnized? The Food and Drug
Administration tried to inspect a warehouse in Detroit in two
thousand five. They found quote gross and unsanitary conditions. Now
the manager tries to keep the inspectors out and says
that his supervisor was quote a great man, that he
was part of a new religion, and if we took
advantage of him, then God help you. From the Tribune again. Later,

(01:02:22):
according to that FBI report, an employee wearing a ski
mask approach one female inspector, put his thumb in four
finger in the shape of a gun, pointed at her
and said, pow, you're out of uniform. They're just threatening.
They're just threatening the f f T It's great. I mean,

(01:02:43):
I think most of what we know about the f
d A is that they're probably gonna just take it
and basically no. So, you know, the fd has done
like an enormous number of terrible crimes, but they are
not on the pig the pay roll of big Fish.
So they try to come back to and inspect this
facility again. They think they get a court order and
they're like, okay, we're gonna come inspect this facility, and

(01:03:05):
the movies are just like, okay, we'll just shut it
down instead of dealing with this because they're doing so
many crimes that they were like, yeah, okay, we will
lose this entire facility rather than have the FDA inspect
it one time. Now, the other part of this scheme
is that they're they're they're basically attempting to use you know,
those mass wedding ceremonies. They're trying to use them to

(01:03:26):
get the Japanese members of the church, who are like
the most committed members of the church citizenship so they
can bypass American fishing restrictions about who can fish in
American waters. Now, this is kind of a problem because
for a long time, like Moon's weddings weren't considered legally
binding weddings. That makes sense because he's just a guy
because he's just a guy. So and like mass weddings

(01:03:48):
that might not be recognized by law because it maybe
the laws like well you have to you know, there's
like papers. I think eventually they start getting considered actual marriages.
But like this this plan doesn't really work. Yeah, it
seems like they have to be a process, you would.
But the problem is that even without this sort of
like the influx of Japanese fisherman, this works um and

(01:04:10):
you know, you have this interesting mix of the you know,
so some people who are working for this fishing company
are like in the could, some of them aren't. And
you know, there's this whole thing inside the company where
like the people who are in the could get promoted
fashion and people who aren't in the cult kind of
get like subtenly or like hey take this like propaganda thing.
But this, like this fishing group takes over the fishing industry,
like like in in in two thou five alone, the

(01:04:31):
True World Group made two d and fifty million dollars. Yeah,
and again like like h fifteen of nineteen sushi restaurants
that Chicago Tribune interviewed were like, yeah, no, we buy
our fish from the Moone's it's like yeah, I mean,
like so they have operations in all fifty states, and
it's very similar in everywhere else because they've they've seized

(01:04:54):
control of the American fishing industry. That that on on
on this somewhat happy note, uh with with with you know,
the great Mooney Fleet thriving and Moon's call to the
Sea fulfilled. We're gonna leave it today and we're gonna
come back next time to see Moon fund to horrific
series of war crimes the name of world peace. Well,
I gotta say, Chris, it takes a lot for me
to be impressed by a cult leader. But this, this guy,

(01:05:19):
this guy is pretty good. Later got and given to him.
You haven't seen shipped from Moon yet. Like this is
this this old this is the warm up intro. Actually
he's lay in the bones, he's putting down the foundation
so he can he can really really do some crimes. Baby. Yeah,
this is my favorite part when the cult leaders at

(01:05:40):
the top of the fucking roller coaster and you just
know they're about to go zero Gene baby, Chris, thank you?
Do you have anything to plug? Who? What do you do?
Who are you work? I work I work for Sophie
uh media I work on it could happen here, thank you.
Some other stuff. I'm on Twitter at hit me c

(01:06:01):
h R three. I do that. I have a novel.
You can preorder it now if you Google After the
Revolution on a k Press you can. You can go
buy it and then you will have a signed copy
of my novel that's printed on paper. Wow. Wow

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