Part One: We Watch More of Jordan Peterson's New Show

Robert and Cody sit down to talk Jordan Peterson's new incomprehensible tv series.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, I mean, Cody, I I agree entirely. It's it's
like the the world we live in, we've come to
realize is careening towards disaster, and we have very little
say in actually arresting that disaster. And the elites that
have have brought us here have entrenched their power so
deeply that people can't even conceive of a world without

(00:21):
a boot on their neck, and so we all just
kind of grasp for the artifacts of our childhood for
those last moments before we realized how deep the problems were,
and that's got us all stuck in this kind of
endless cycle of worshiping the dead remnants of our of
our youth. Anyway, how are you doing today? Oh? Asorry

(00:44):
from that all that stuff? They couldn't be well, I
could be better, but you know I'm doing all right.
Have you enjoyed and or I've enjoyed the few that
I've been able to sit down and watch. It's good.
It's good, Um, I A plus well, so far A
A so far A plus. I I think I've watched
through all of it and it's quite good. Um. Everything

(01:06):
about it is correct in terms of what should be
done with. Yes, France it's this. It's this thing I've
been saying, where like the reason the first Star Wars
movies were great is that George Lucas everyone around him,
including his his ex wife who was the editor on
those three movies and one of Oscars and stuff great
film editor were like, George has consistently of a great

(01:30):
idea and if you can cut the other eight percent
out of it and replace it with like something vaguely reasonable,
uh and not not unhinged, then you get pretty darn
good movies. And then for the prequels, he just got
let off the leash and there was a lot of nonsense,
and and Or seems to have taken that like core
of stuff that was cool about the prequels and anyway,

(01:53):
this is behind the ball streets. Also just like uh,
cohesive UM vision yeah, which I think obviously the sequels
didn't have one. Not good in my opinion. Yeah. No.
One of the only um I think positives of the
prequels is that at least the vision was cohesive, like

(02:13):
they all like look the same, they're trying to like, yeah, exactly. Um.
So that's I think a positive for and Or. But
also just like it's um, it's just written well, it's
written extremely writers are doing a good job writing like
scenes and lines and their scenes in it, at least
in the first few that I've watched or have been,
Like that didn't have to be in the Star Wars universe,

(02:35):
Like that was just a scene. That was a good
scene between two people who happened to like have like,
you know, laser guns on their hips. You know they've done.
Really appreciate good job of Like, there's a lot of
evil in the show, but a majority of the actors
are self interested but not actively malicious, even when they're
contributing to terribly malicious systems, which is a shows a

(02:59):
nuanced under standing of how evil actually occurs most often
in the real world that I appreciate. Yeah. Yeah, there's
a lot of just consideration and thought that seems to
have gotten to it. Yeah, not not a whole lot
of the Boba Fetts of the world. I think I
have Boba's feet. Yeah, the Bubba the Bubba Feats didn't
quite nail it well. I haven't seen a second of

(03:20):
that show. I actually think they're all They're all perfectly fun. Um,
as long as it's got fucking Pedro Pascal and I'll
keep watching. Oh yeah for sure. By the way, Pedro,
this is behind the Bastards about bad people. We are
taking another easy week by going through episode two, season
one Dragons, Monsters, and Men, the Jordan's Peterson series, in

(03:48):
which he sits in a comfortable chair and just kind
of talks um like, I don't look when people say
he seems like he's off his meds. That that often
can be an offensive statement, but he does seem like
he's off his meds or like on the wrong meds,
or on the wrong meds, or or hasn't been medicated

(04:08):
for the right thing. Um. Either way, whatever is going
on with Jordan Peterson's drug use, it's not right, Yeah,
fix your drug use. Jordan's so episode two after our
Game of Thrones esque opening for oh yeah no, So
if he want, don't you play us a clipping as
bad boy, let's go. Let's let's just remind everybody, Oh

(04:33):
my god, like I blocked this outs. This is what
they spent almost as much money on as fucking Jordan
Peterson himself urn us out. It's like a fucking video

(04:56):
game loading and it's so good. A after this, I
should be clicking continue and then like hitting a windigo
with an axe. But yeah. Episode two opens with the
title card arm Yourself on a red background, and then
we're back to Jordan's with his like hands together looking
at his fingers just kind of like awkwardly. And it's

(05:18):
such a funny transition, like just sudden. It's like I
can't even say they didn't do it on purpose, know
how funny it was. But also they didn't because there
have to be a few people at the Daily Wire
who like, know it's bullshit and know how stupid and
silly all this is, but are just like I gotta

(05:38):
get you know, paycheck, and I just I don't care,
but maybe tweaking a little make it funny. This is
a furniture behind him. There is a chair behind him.
Again this I would love to have a library. I
think that it's very nice looking. There's more chairs back here.
I think I count one to three or five, six seven.

(06:03):
It looks like an ideal salon, like intellectual workplace where
it's like kind of there's a little bit almost of
like an industrial vibe. You can see like bricks in
the background, like maybe it was like a storage or
like a hanger or a big garage, but they've they
put in a bunch of nice bookshelves and nice furnitures
and wood paneling. There's like maybe a little bar table
in the back left corner where Jordan Peterson can have

(06:25):
a single sip of cider and then sleep. Yeah, but
there's legitimately like at least ten shares visible in this. Yeah,
Jordan Peterson has a lot of people over to discuss
his ideas, like that your evil uncle is never to
be argued with, even when he's the Catholic church and

(06:46):
molesting children anyway, whatever it's like in honor of like
you know, the fallen philosophers of And then the chair
behind him, Emmanuel Kant over there in the corner with
that like one wiry, uncomfortable looking one fucking yeah, empty
chairs at empty tables. Heidigger probably in that like back

(07:09):
corner next to all the cleaning bottles, it looks like anyway.
So once the episode opens, Peterson immediately starts talking about
how men are becoming was is men becoming more passive? Yes,
it appears that in some sense they are. They're becoming
more passive in that they're bailing out of society. They

(07:33):
boys don't as well in school pretty much from day one,
they're less likely doing role. In university, they're more likely
to draw out, they're less likely to graduate. Um, they're withdrawing.
And there is evidence that I think is quite compelling.
Perhaps this is most advanced in Japan and South Korea,
which are very low birth rates, that men, young men

(07:55):
are even bailing out of the sexual game, even even
if it's solitary. There's there's some indication that young men
aren't even masturbating as much as they used to. Uh,
wait a second, Wait a second. I thought that it

(08:19):
was like in this crowd, it was good to not masturbate.
I thought, like, yeah, it's he's inconsistent about that. Um,
I think he's he's he'll bring Yeah, I don't actually
know if, because Jordan Peterson, I don't think, is like
hard into the no FAP stuff, but he's also pretty
hard into the in cell stuff, which is related to

(08:40):
no FAP and like, you know, anti Like I mean,
he's you don't have to look at pornography to masturbate,
but I know he's very anti pornography. So like he's
like men need, men need to jerk at more, Like
what's going on here? I have to point out, so
that he brings up a bunch of claims here, um,
like that men are are going graduating high school and

(09:00):
college less right. Um. Now, as this isn't he is
less wrong than he normally is in this statement, but also,
as with everything he says, he's still wrong. There's an
Atlantic article that I found in literally like six seconds. Um.
It notes quote, UM, education experts and historians aren't remotely surprised.

(09:22):
Women in the United States have earned more bachelor's degrees
than men every year since the mid nineteen eighties, every year.
In other words, that I've been alive, and that both
of us have been alive. This particular gender gap hasn't
been breaking news for about forty years, but the imbalance
reveals a genuine shift in how men participate in education,
the economy, and society. So number one, this has been
going on for decades. Um. This is not a recent thing.

(09:43):
This is about half a century. But also currently right now,
men are going, enrolling in college, and finishing college more
than they were a decade ago. Um. Yeah, in nineteen seventy,
minut accounted for fifty seven percent of college and college
and university student UM. So it's like you know, it's

(10:05):
it's complicated. Yeah, people there there's like a number of
theories as to why. But this has been going on
for a long time. A lot of it has to
do with the fact that many of the jobs that
men seek don't require a college degree, like trade jobs.
Another has to do with the fact that women are
increasingly seeking education because like it's gotten a lot easier
for them to do so in the last half a century. Um.

(10:28):
Some of it has to do with the fact that
men are much more likely to be incarcerated than women. Um.
Like it's uh, there's a bunch of theoretical reasons for it, um,
But it's also not an entirely like linear process, Like,
it's not just that men have been dipping, and in fact,
over the last decade there's been some rises in men

(10:49):
at least attending college. So again, Jordan Peterson takes like
his take is taking like what is an actual half
century long tradition, boiling out all of the actual facts
around it and claiming it's something that's very recently happening, um,
when it that's not actually the way things are going
Also um. Peterson specifically has a whole lot of problems

(11:12):
with just like academia and universities in general, and most
people at the Daily Wire, like most prominent figures at
the Daily Wire, Uh, tell you to not go to college? Yes, Um,
like that is a big movement in that entire crowd. Now,
it's like, don't go to college and if you do,
pretend like you're learning something and lies you get the degree.
But like they support not going So what's going on there? Yeah, um, yeah,

(11:40):
it's and it's like, I'm not ever going to tell
people to go to college because I also think it's
a gigantic grift. It's just anyway. But Jordan is let's say,
let's say he is partially right in that there is
a long term trend of men declining in higher education, um,
but also largely wrong because he ignores all of the

(12:02):
different reasons and and the length of time at which
that's been occurring, right, Um, to make it look like
it's it's the cast it's being caused supposed to. Well.
Number one, men have a lot of jobs that don't
require college degrees. Men are imprisoned at a lot higher rate.
Women have suddenly gotten a lot more freedom and have
been going to college in an attempt to like shore

(12:24):
up and get equal weight, or to get anything that
even approaches an equal wage, they have to get more
of an education than men do. Like there's a whole
bunch of reasons for it. Um and also the fact,
and I feel like this is left out of that
Atlantic article that increasingly people are realizing that a lot
of higher education is a gigantic con um anyway. Uh, Which,

(12:47):
so like, let's move on from the college stuff, because
we can also talk about masturbation. So, unlike birthrates, masturbation
like knowing how often people masturbate is dependent upon self reporting. Right,
birthrates are objective. You can know are the amount of
babies you know, are that people are having is raising

(13:08):
or lowering? Right, That's something that it's very easy to
get data on because as a general rule, the government
is informed when a baby's Yeah, he's definitely easier to
determine than when people are a solo activity in the privacy.
In order to know the rate at which people are masturbating,
you would have to build like a perfect digital panopticon

(13:28):
to keep track of everyone's come a panopt come if
you will, which I do support creating, but that's a
separate episode that you and I will do that in
the future. Um so yeah. I found one survey of
one thousand and forty Americans on masturbation habits, published by
Dr Evan Goldstein of Bespoke Surgical. The language he uses

(13:48):
certainly doesn't make it seem as if his evidence suggests
that masturbation is less common today. Here's how his little
article opens. According to Thomas Lacker's two thousand three books
Solitary Sex, A Cultural History of master Avation, masturbation as
we know it was invented in seventeen thirteen. By that,
he meant that while masturbation was may have always existed,
may probably doesn't work. It was only in the early

(14:13):
eighteenth century that the phenomenon was named a new disease,
creating a quote nearly universal engine for generating guilt, shame,
and anxiety. And I do think that is a worthwhile
point that like, people have always masturbated, but then the
modern concept of masturbation was developed as a clinical term
to shame people from mansturbating. Right now, Bespoke Surgical is
some sort of like medical clinic run for profit, and

(14:36):
I questioned their data, as I always do when a
for profit clinic releases a survey um that said what
they're claiming their survey shows doesn't seem particularly weird. Quote,
we wanted to know how often Americans masturbate. Overall, the
answers about twelve times a month on average. This number
is consistent when considering just heterosexual people, but was slightly

(14:57):
higher for homosexual respondents, who reported masturbating fourteen point two
times per month. And I might suggest that, like, rather
than they're actually being a gap between straight people and
queer people in masturbation. Queer people are just like more
honest about the Yeah, I also suspect everybody might be
underestimating the amount of Although that's like fourteen times, isn't

(15:18):
like weird. That's that's a that's a reasonable I would
say that seems like a pretty reasonable average. Um. Obviously
people are gonna have more, people are gonna have less.
But yeah, that's that's that's that doesn't that that data
does not like set off alarm bells in my head.
I'm not shocked whether like whether that number is too
high or too low. So that obviously does not give

(15:41):
us any longitudinal data, Like it doesn't like Peterson is
saying that men are masturbating less right as sort of
evidence that like, men are in decline. Um, and obviously
that data does not show whether or not that's happening
at all. I did find a study by Tanga Company,
which is a sexual health and wellness business that makes
sex toys. Uh so again, not again, You're never going

(16:03):
to find a good study on this that's like done
by a perfect yeah scientific until are startup gets off
the ground, until until the panopticum is created. Yes, uh,
they did what their press release calls the quote world's
largest masturbation study involving participants. It did not actually say
anything at all interesting about masturbation, but it did note this.

(16:25):
The survey, which asked Americans to evaluate which characteristics they
believe men in their country value, found approximately ninety percent
of Americans think men value traditionally manly traits like physical strength,
aggression and assertiveness, and being the main breadwinner. However, when
asking men what they actually value, the results found that
men are more comfortable talking about their feelings and connecting

(16:46):
with others, and less comfortable being aggressive than Americans realize.
Eight percent of men claim to be in touch with
their emotions, but only fifty four percent of Americans think
this is important to men in their country. Seventies seven
percent are comfortable talking about their feelings are personal allunges
with others, but only of Americans surveyed think this is
true of American men. I find that really interesting actually

(17:08):
understanding Yeah that, Like when people are asked, hey, how
do men feel about talking about their feelings, they're like,
they hate it. And when you ask men, they're like, actually,
that's very important to me, and I do it all
the time. Yeah. I mean that's like, you know what,
not exactly that framing, but like what people say quite
often is how important it is for me to be
able to do that and not feel like the other

(17:29):
those respondents we're like, oh, yeah, they don't like that,
and like yeah, which feeds into the idea that they
shouldn't like that, right, um yeah. And I in general
I found this survey interesting, not so much about masturbation,
although there's one really interesting part, which is that it
found that Americans underestimate how often people masturbate consistently by
nine percent um which underestimate. Yeah, underestimate people. People estimate

(17:53):
that groups like that that their peers masturbate about nine
percent less than those that group self reports master of interest, right,
which I might account for Dr Peterson's belief in this area. UM,
so let's listen on. Next, he goes into a rant
about how evil progressives are trying to make boys believe
they're bad people for being masculine, the purest manifestation of

(18:17):
the destructive human force that's demolishing our beloved earth. You know,
if you tell that from the time they're young, especially
if they're actually ethical people, then well, why wouldn't they
be demoralized? Obviously the right response to that, if it's true,
is to be demoralized. But it's a pack of lies
right from the bottom up to the highest levels of abstraction.

(18:41):
Talk to a man named Miriam and again number one.
This is just like a very basic misstating of what
people who talk about the patriarchy are claiming. When people say,
like the patriarchy is destroying the world, what they're saying
is that this like deeply hierarchical system that praises the
accumulation of wealth and power largely by men in a
male dominated society, UH is killing the world. Is leading

(19:05):
to like unhinged resource extraction, um, and like the thoughtless
exploitation of an environment that cannot handle endless growth. Um.
And that both kind of the excesses of capitalism and
the excesses of a society in which like men are
encouraged to be violent and like aggressive and seek the

(19:26):
domination of their opponents. Are that like that that that
is a problem, rather than that men are a problem.
The issue is not men. The issue is a system
that has grown up around incentivizing men to act like sociopaths.
And yeah, um, yeah, he's done this before too, and
this is one actually one of the topics that made

(19:47):
him cry semi recently. Um. And it's uh. It's interesting
partially because a lot of stuff Peterson says can often
could could be characterized as being like demoralizing two groups
of people. Um, who cares what you believe? You don't
believe anything, you're six Yeah yeah, um. Jordan's many of

(20:07):
most of the things that have happened in the world
that have like changed the destiny of nations have been
because a lot of teenagers believed to things very strongly God. Um.
But also like it's uh, because the framing is trying
to do is like yeah, there's this and all everything's
gonna be destroyed, So of course you're do moralized. But

(20:28):
the party is leaving out is that most people who
criticize aspects of society or how the earth is going, um,
acknowledge that we can do something about it, and uh
should and it would be good if we did something
about it. But his whole ideology is based off of
not doing anything about society. So to him it is

(20:52):
demoralizing more so because he's like, well, and then there's
nothing to do about it. So what we would you
turn to despair? Well, no, you don't have to turn
in despair. You could turn to like changing the way
things are done. Um, I don't think we're gonna do that, Cody.
But what I think we are going to do is
have us a little ad break. Oh ye see if

(21:14):
see if the evil uncle that is our sponsors will
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crones that it would be a good name for like
a bourbon that I was gonna say, perfect, Cody, you
come over into my salon where I have a dozen

(21:36):
shares in several large bookcases, and I said, Mr Johnson,
good to see would you like perhaps we can share
a dram of old Chrome andron Crone and talk about
uh Spinoza. Yeah, And because it sounds a lot awful
lot like old Crow, I feel like I do, Like
we're just crow. That's that's what I'm doing. Anyway, here's

(21:59):
our ads. All right, we're back. So outside of what
we just talked about, I think one of the things
that's interesting about that last bit of what Peterson was
saying is that, like it's bad to make young men

(22:20):
feel as if the domination of the society by like
small groups of extremely hierarchical males is bad because that
makes them demonized for being male. What he's also when
he says that, what he's saying is that like those
those traditional, like patriarchal values are necessary for young men,
and that demonizing that behavior causes a crisis of manhood.

(22:43):
So while I think most of the people who talk
about the patriarchy are saying that, like this is bad
for men and women and we need to like end
it for the good of everybody, he is saying that, like,
if you demonize this patriarchal domination of society, you're inherently
demonizing men because they cannot be separated from it. They
are incapable of living any other way, which I actually

(23:03):
find as a man is pretty offensive. Um. But it
also hearing that makes me think about another thing I
read in that Sex Toy Company study quote about of
respondents interested in male partners said their ideal man is
in touch with his and other emotion others emotions, is
comfortable discussing mental health nine percent, and talking about sex
eighty eight percent, caring of social issues eight six percent,

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and comfortable interacting with people of all sexual orientations three percent.
Compared to this ideal man, the same respondent said their
current male partners are much less likely to have these
traits twelve percent less on average. The survey revealed men
are already moving in this direction, with many benefits to
being a man who feels more, including a better relationship
with their partner. The emotional connection with partners is twenty

(23:46):
better on average, more self and body confidence. Sixty three
percent of men who feel more have high levels of
self confidence versus fifty four percent of other men. This
means they are eight percent more likely to think they
have a beautiful body overall, higher levels of happiness of
men who feel more strongly agree with that they are
happy with their lives versus of other men, a better
sex life, The quality and frequency of their sex, masturbation,

(24:08):
and orgasms are twenty percent better on average than other men.
They're also eighteen percent more sexually satisfied with their partners,
better overall health. Percent of men who feel more say
they have good overall health versus eighty one percent of
other men. They're also eleven percent more likely to belong
to a gym. So again, comprehensively, being like thoughtful and
in touch with your emotions, and like open minded to

(24:30):
people of other genders and orientations, and like caring of
your partner makes you a comprehensively happier person, more likely
to have sex, not just more likely to have sex,
and management more likely to go to the gym, to
take care of your own being healthy, able to do
righte like, Like, they didn't say this in the study
that you just recited, but um, if I were to

(24:53):
sort of distill it down, being more in touch with
your feelings and open new emotions, sort of rejecting these
ideas were talking about will lead you to be more
likely to clean your room. Yeah, and I think it's
more than that. I think a big part of it
is that like embracing the attitudes that Peterson has, which
is that like, life is this struggle, and you have
to be the master of everyone and everything around you,

(25:15):
and that doing anything else is going to make you
unfulfilled and miserable. Is what makes you und fulfilled and miserable.
And caring about other people and listening to them and
being agreeable and and like loving is what makes you
happy and also makes you more powerful, both in a
physical sense and in an emotional sense and anyway, I mean,

(25:36):
and he's it's because he's even said things along those
lines before too. Um. His whole deal is sort of
talking out both sides of his mouth in different clips.
Like you can find him talking about what you just
said in other clips. Um. And how you know if
you want to, uh like to talk about depression before

(25:57):
and how uh a good way to get out of
that funk is to uh focus on other people and
helping other people. Um. And but he's not gonna he
can't like reconcile a lot of these sort of disparate
thoughts that he has. Nope, so that's pretty cool. Um,

(26:18):
we're barely two minutes into the episode, and Jordan Peterson's
entire theory of the world has already been demolished by
a company that makes vibrators, which I think is pretty funny. Um,
let's see what we can learn next. Um. He brings
up his friend Mary and Tupi, author of books with
and he just says, like, my friend Mary and Tuppy,
you know and and starts talking about this person's ideas.

(26:39):
Maryan Tupi is the author of books with titles like
ten Global Trends Every Smart Person Should Know and Superabundance,
the Story of population growth, innovation, and human flourishing on
an infinitely bountiful planet. Um. Kind of in the context
of this guy, Peterson brings up Paul Erlick, who is
Airlick is the guy who like made this bet about
certain He was a he was a malenthusiant, right. He

(27:01):
was a guy being like, the world overpopulation is coming
a bunch, there's going to be a resource crunch, and
he made a bet about a bunch of resources running
out that was wrong, right, That's the gist of Paul Airlick.
This happened in like the eighties, and the right wing
has never shut up about it as a reason to
doubt that climate change is real and that a bunch
of other problems are real. Um So, Peterson contrasts Airlck

(27:24):
and Malthusians like him who are pessimistic with optimists like
his friend Mary and Tupi, and he he describes to
be as a perfectly objective thinker and analyst. Yeah, Sophie,
can you play that clip? Marry and Tupi and his
co author analyzed historical data looking at the relationship between

(27:44):
population expansion and abundance, which is a positive relationship in
that has there have been more people born since there
have been more smart and competent people born, which is
necessary consequence of that, we've got richer, not poor. And
the mal enthusiasts say, yeah, well, you know, the other
shoe will draw up eventually. It's like, yeah, specify your

(28:04):
time frame, buddy. You don't get to have an infinite
expanse to prove your hypothesis correct. Like, okay, hold up there,
Jordan's since you have asked us to specify a time frame,
perhaps we should look into how your friend Marian's predictions
have held up from let's say two thousand fifteen. Marian
Tupi has been writing stuff for a while. UM, and
and that is I would say most people would agree

(28:26):
that from two thousand two, most things have gotten worse
around the world. Right. Um, food is more expensive, gas
is more expensive. There's a massive land war in in Ukraine.
The consequences of climate change have gotten more disastrous. Wildfires
have gotten worse all around the world. We've had the
biggest ones in the history of both the American West
and Australia, just to name a couple of places in

(28:48):
the very recent past. So I think most people, even
if you're not scared of like Trump and Bolson Jaro
and fucking the rise of all of these authoritarians around
the world, would agree things have oddly gotten worse for
a lot of people since two thousand fifteen. Um. It
just so happens that Mary and Tubby is not, as
Peterson says, an objective analyst of data, but a right

(29:10):
wing crank. He works he works for the Cato Institute. UM,
and his big thing is arguing that infinite wealth can
be extracted from the planet. Uh, and everything will continue
to get inevitably better if we just keep extracting. He's
part of a whole team of think tank grifters, and
in servicing this end, he's been a regular contributor at Quillette,
a far right website who also publishes defenses of Phrenology

(29:30):
and National Review. It was at the latter that he
published a June two thousand fifteen article titled Pope Francis
is unwarranted Gloom and I'm gonna quote from that now.
The Pope, as the Independent sums up in the encyclical,
asserts that the world's poorest are the biggest victims of
a web of environmental, human, financial, and ethical degradation that
puts the entire planet at risk risk. He lambassed rich

(29:51):
countries for looting the world, warns that the world is
facing widespread crop failure, economic ruin, and averge. That warming
caused by the enormous consumption of some rich countries has
of percussions in the poorest places on Earth, especially in Africa,
where the increase in temperature complying with drought has had
to rest disastrous effects on the performance of crops. Now,
everything the Pope says there is absolutely true, um and

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all of those facts have been proven absolutely true over
the last seven years. Every single thing he said is undeniably, objectively,
factually true. We are currently dealing with widespread crop failures
this year and unprecedented surges in food prices. In two
thousand fifteen, Marian Tupi wrote, quote, and this is him
talking about the pope. His views on anthropogenic global warming

(30:34):
will be hotly debated, but his gloom is unwarranted. Well,
good news, Marian, the debate is over. Two thousand eight
teen brought Africa's hottest measured temperature on record d and
twenty four point three degrees in Algeria, and in more
than four hundred weather stations around the world beat their
all timed heat records. There's a ton that Tupi is
wrong about here. He makes a big point about how
poverty has declined, and in two thousand fifteen those numbers worldwide,

(30:57):
we're looking pretty good. It did look like poverty was
declining very rapidly around the world, but people who actually
honestly analyzed the data, including Pope Francis, were able to
see just a little bit ahead and that a warming
world with things like widespread crop failures in brutal pandemics
um was going to like lead to a decline in
what gains capitalism had brought people over the last twenty

(31:18):
years or so. Um, after COVID nineteen, the global poverty
rates surged from seven point eight to nine point one percent,
wiping out at least four years of progress towards ending
extreme poverty. So like, again, this guy who Peterson's claims
to be, all these malenthusians, these people who are talking
about how the world's heading towards resource crunches are wrong

(31:41):
because they never specify their time frame. So like what
they're saying isn't falsifiable, but to be has presented falsifiable
claims about the state of the world, and they've all
been falsified. Right, Like his friend has been wrong, And
because he's been writing for seven years, we can see
the things he's been wrong about. He's talking about. How
like Pope Francis, it's debatable as to whether or not
Francis is right about you know, Africa warming and this

(32:04):
is having a disastrous impact on the poor. Well we're
now in two and it's not debatable anymore. Mary Marian
was fucking wrong. Um anyway, Peterson next pivots back to
crowing about Paul Airlick and TUPI has extended that work
to a basket of fifty commodities, and has demonstrated now
that each child born produces seven times as much wealth

(32:26):
as they consume. So enough with there are too many
people on the planet, and you know, human beings are
a destructive force, and all male will is nothing but
a cancer on the planet and part of the oppressive patriarchy.
It's like, that's all. There isn't a shred of evidence
for any of that except so, yeah, he loves talking

(32:51):
like that. He does all he is doing here, it's
worth noting. So Maryan Tupi is a media person. He
has a bunch of videos, particularly on YouTube. He goes
on podcasts all the time. And all he's saying is
like a longer version of what Peterson saying, right, that
the more people who were born, and the more people

(33:11):
who like, the more that we extract and and from
the earth, the wealthier everyone will get that this is
like a fact of reality that cannot be questioned. Um
and again it's like you're living through him being wrong.
We're experiencing it every day of our lives. In two
I mean, aside from like the general misrepresentation of a

(33:31):
lot of the points being made by other people. Um,
it is just interesting seeing him get so angry about
yeah things that like, well, we like because he filmed
this in two I assume yes, yes, at which point
it is very obvious that the stuff that Mary and
Tupi was writing in two fifteen was completely wrong. Yeah,

(33:53):
and like I don't I'm I'm not personally in the
camp of like overpopulation is like a problem. The problem
is not overpopulation, it's over consumption by wealthy an allocation
of resources and things like that. Um so I'm not
like I don't have babies, d growth like that kind
of thing. But like, uh, this other stuff that he's
saying is also wrong. Yes, it's one of those that

(34:16):
he's he's making kind of the same arguments that I
think Matthew Iglesias is the guy who's like, we need
to have a billion Americans. It's like, no, we don't
actually like I don't believe overpopulation is the problem, but
we certainly don't need to expand the population of wealthy
countries or the population in general. Like there's plenty of people. Um, yeah,
it's it's fine. It's fine, even like billions a good number. Yeah,

(34:41):
even like the the um we don't need to talk
a whole lot about birthrates and stuff. But every time
it comes up, I'm always just like, okay, but like,
is it going to go down to zero and then
there be no people? Is that what you think is
gonna happen? Like, No, it's just people are number one.
There's like less need to have multiple children. And it's

(35:04):
broadly good when the birth rate does slow down. Um,
especially since it leads like there's been a bunch of
benefits to the fact that people no longer are having
in the West, like twelve child families, including the fact
that like kids get more attention from their parents and
are seeing less as like a disposable commodity, which they
often were early in history. Um, I don't know. Uh,

(35:27):
it's cool. I think the thing that the thing that
Tupi is saying that like I find offensive is that
this is a line of our and there's a lot
of guys whose whole job is making this argument that
everything is getting better, and that everyone who has complaints
about the world and who sees things as like on
a really dark course is just irrational and not looking
at the actual facts and what these arguments are geared towards.

(35:48):
Is convincing a centrist middle class that the everything will
get back to whatever they used to consider normal, The
world will recover entirely from COVID, climate change will get
fixed by some one. Yet as of yet, scene scientific
innovation and neoliberal capitalism will continue to increase the value
extracted from the earth every year forever. It is the
do you don't have to worry or change anything? Argument? Right, Yes, yes, yeah,

(36:12):
it's a it's that's I mean, his whole thing is,
don't do anything, it'll work itself out. And Peterson likes
this argument, and a lot of the people who to
push this argument are actually like more on the liberal
side of things. But Jordan Peterson likes sees this argument
because he he has this kind of panglossy and belief
that everything is the best that it could be and

(36:33):
is getting better. Like sorry, Peterson uses this argument this
like pananglossy and belief that everything is the best it
could be in getting better to argue that masculine capitalist
wealth seeking is altruism, right, That's why he finds this useful.
And I want to play another clip here too. So
not only are we not governed by the satanic expression
of power dooming us to a kind of authoritarian Hell,

(36:58):
what we're properly governed by is something like the spirit
of voluntary play. And so that's all good. That's all
necessary to know for young men, because they're taught so
often that their ambition is somehow intrinsically corrupt and the
best thing they could do is just, you know, slough
off into a corner and maybe die without making too
much noise. Yeah. I had a friend who committed suicide

(37:21):
really because he believed that took him like twenty years
to die. It was pretty painful to watch, but he
definitely believed all that. Yeah. Yeah, the real joy of
watching Peterson is that he'll just sort of veer off
and like safe ship like this, And of course we

(37:42):
don't know anything, Like he says, this happens over twenty years.
So was he talking about like a guy with a
substance to abuse disorder. That's what I'm thinking he's talking about,
because he's not like, yeah, twenty like it sounds like, yeah,
twenty years of like depression. Yeah yeah, and he was
depressed because is there are massive unsolved problems that the

(38:03):
rich are like burning money in order to make it.
Basically either illegal or impossible for people to solve. And
Peterson's job is to reinforce those people and try to
convince folks for another year or two that they don't
need to take any action to stop the oil and
gas companies and other wealthy interests from pilfering the world

(38:25):
as it falls apart around us, and they retreat to
their fucking bunkers. Like that's literally his entire job. Everything
is fine, ignore the warning signs for another year. That's
why he exists, That's why they fund that's why oil
and are wound funding this guy. That's why they're throwing
money at him to do this. Yeah, and he does

(38:46):
it by like some very unclear anecdote. And it's interesting
because the people arguing everything is getting better. That's an
argument that works for like the Obama style neoliberals, because
it's like, look, this the system, we just need to
tweak it around the edges. This is fundamentally good and

(39:06):
what we're doing is good. Um, and Peterson is taking
and saying like, because everything is getting better, and because
we live in a society dominated by capitalist, hierarchical men,
being that kind of person is an out is altruism.
Like being a billionaire who, for example, buys a company
fire sev of the people there, loads it with debt,
and then crashes. It is good because you're you know

(39:30):
that that kind of behavior makes the world better. Obviously,
men like that have been in charge since forever, so
since they've been in charge and the world's gotten better.
Their altruists, it's the same sort of line of thinking.
He and like a lot of like like evolutionary biologists.
It's like the evolutionary psychology uh sort of thing where
it's like, well, because we're here today and alive, every

(39:53):
single uh step of evolution was good, like the capital
g we should preserve it right where it worked. It
worked then, like millions of years ago. Therefore we need
to preserve it. And this is again, this is always
the idea. This is always the actual ideology of the
people who are in power. This is why Voltaire in
fucking candem I brought up pangloss like he is mocking

(40:16):
this idea that like the pain loss is this like
philosopher guy who's saying, like this is the best of
all possible worlds and everything that happens, and it is
like the best that can possibly be, which is if
you're in charge, always the way in which you want
people to feel like. That's all Jordan Peterson is is
fucking pangloss with you on top of the pyramidmid rule. Yeah, anyway,

(40:40):
we should probably roll to ads. I love it. Oh God,
what a great time. Um, I for one love that.
Voltaire in seventeen fifty nine writes Jordan Peterson into a

(41:01):
novel and he's it's the same guy. It's the same guy. Um,
that's very funny guy. Same outfit, same outfit. Yeah. So anyway,
here's Jordan Peterson being wrong again. Awesome companies. It is
well man who quell themselves to that degree also suffer

(41:22):
the shadow problem, which is all the lived life ambition,
aggression within them, sexual desire that just goes underground. And
then well, that's that's what accounts in part for these
explosive violent crimes, certainly accounts for a lot of gang crime,
because gang crime that's been established beyond a shadow of
a doubt is all status jockey. Now, so for one thing,

(41:52):
he's saying that, like because men are being told to
like deny their natural kind of like aggressive status seeking
Nature's Um, that's what's leading these explosions of violence, which
is interesting because the United States is, even with the
recent search we saw after COVID nineteen, less violent than
it has been at basically any point in the lifetimes
of anybody alive right now, Like when I was born

(42:15):
in the late nineteen eighties, the United States was vastly
more violent than it is today. Um, almost in every
single part of the country. Uh So why why would
that be, Jordan's why why would that be if we've
also gotten more woke over time? UM? I don't know,
maybe just just whatever. Um. All of these things that

(42:39):
he takes as evidence of a sick culture, lower birth rates,
increased understanding and rejection of patriarchy, more open minded and
emotionally connected men. These things have all occurred as violence
has declined in the United States. And this is true
even accounting for the increases and violence that some places
experienced after COVID nineteen. I'm gonna quote from a New
York Times article this August crime murder mass shootings have

(43:00):
dominated headlines this year. Just over the weekend, of shooting
in Cincinnati wounded nine people and another in Detroit killed
one and wounded four. But the full crime data tells
a different story. Nationwide, shootings are down four percent this
year compared to the same time last year. In big cities,
murders are down three percent. If the decrease in murders
continues for the rest of twenty two, this will be
the first year since two thousand eighteen in which they

(43:21):
fell in the United States. Huh Again, this is also
like there's a lot to blame the media on because
if you graph how common shootings are in this country
versus how commonly they're covered in the United States, coverage
of shootings has soared massively. Well, shootings have more or
less staid stable in most of the country and slightly
declined in a lot of places. Um. And this is

(43:43):
because like if it bleeds, it leads, right, This has
led people to believe errantly that the United States is
much more violent than it actually is right now. Where again,
this is like a massive continuing problem, right that as
over the last thirty years violence has declined, people have
believed that cities have gotten more like there's like you
talked to a conservative and fucking Ohio about New York

(44:06):
City and they'll be like, well, yeah, it's really dangerous,
Like it's it's this crime Drinche tellhole, no, New York
City is safer, safer than virtually a hundred percent of
rural America. Um. Um, Yeah, sounds like Peterson is a
victim of the woke media. Yes, it does sound like
he's a victim of the woke media. Um. In the
early nineteen nineties, the US averaged around ten murders per

(44:26):
hundred thousand people. In the Obama years, that dropped to
a little more than four. And even though things have
ticked up after COVID, they still topped out at around
seven per hundred thousand, and that is now declining again. Um,
that's a significant drop. Yeah. Again, we were just like
we were just talking about like pangloss and stuff, but
like the change in the commonness of violence and murder

(44:50):
in the United States since the early nineties is stunning,
Like it is a massive decline. Yeah. It's interesting that
like the one thing, like he could be he could
be right about that one thing, but he chooses to
be wrong about that one thing and everything else. Yeah,
Because if if it's true that violent, that we're much

(45:11):
less violent than we used to be, even given like
how much attention shootings get in the media today, then
The argument is that maybe like, oh, perhaps like all
of these things that have changed about like encouraging men
to talk about their feelings and accept other people and
accept different sexual orientations and a wider understanding of gender,

(45:31):
maybe all of that actually like helped. I mean, maybe
it's just getting the lead out of gasoline, but maybe
that other stuff like she didn't hurt, yeah, did not
hurt um. But he would uh probably reject that too
because he doesn't want to change anything about like environmental
Uh well, after that did affect you, His environment means everything. Yeah,

(45:54):
that's a he's such a little weener. Yeah. So from here,
Peterson claims that women are inherently interested in men based
on the amount of resources that they have or are
likely to generate. Mm hm. You know, women often get
a bad rap, especially from people in the manisphere, so

(46:14):
called for being hypergamous, which means mating across socio economic hierarchies,
because women have a preference for men young women we're
about four years older than them, who are as well
off or better off than they are. And it's a
female calibration mechanism, uh for to to remediate the inequality

(46:39):
placed on women in relationship to pregnancy and infant care.
So woman takes a vicious hit in terms of productivity
when she becomes pregnant and has a doing immediately updating
my dating profile. I'm sorry, are you exactly four years
older than me? Um? I do wonder if women men

(47:04):
four years older than them has anything to do with that. Like,
the older you get, the less likely you are to
take Jordan Peterson seriously, more likely you are to be
more in touch with your feelings. Maybe you've like matured
a little bit and are better partner. H Uh. I

(47:27):
don't know, Like that's that's like, what's his point? I
don't know. I don't It's it's such a transactional way
of looking at relationships. Women prefer older men because they
earn more and have more money, and women know that
they're going to take a financial hit by having a
child because it reduces their productivity. And that's a no.

(47:48):
People don't think like that. Jordan's like nobody. People do
not go out into the world and decide to have
like a child and gold. I need to get a
man who has an additional four years of earning so
that his savings and like make up for the loss
in productivity that I'm going to suffer for having this child.
And I mean some people, I'm sure there's it's not
a zero number, but like I know a lot of

(48:10):
people who have had kids, and none of them thought
that much about it. Mostly they just get pregnant and decide,
I guess I'm gonna have a kid because it feels
like a good time to do it. Figure it out. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,
not us ladies four years older than us. I'm sorry,
where are you? Okay, I must dot the t at Okay, great,

(48:32):
will not will not go on a date unless you've
met all these qualifications because I might need to take
your money so I may have a child. Yeah, it
makes perfect sense, girls stuff. Yeah, that's totally how I
think about things. God. Yeah, it's uh, I mean, it's

(48:53):
it's a really toxic You get this because he's kind
of laying it out as if like this is just
like completely re sasonable and uncontroversial. But the actual like
argument he's making is that women are incapable of love,
which that is like the insulting of like, well, women
women are hypergamus because it's a resource thing, and that's

(49:15):
the thing that they're thinking about is like maximizing their
resources and right and as opposed to like the actual
like yeah, that like the connection that one hopes to
have with another person. The reason why most people have
kids is that they really want to fuck another person
and then they get pregnant and decide, I guess I'm

(49:35):
having a kid now. Look, that's not going to describe
a hundred percent of cases, but most of the people
I know were like, well, yeah, I was with this
guy or this lady and we had sex and then
you know, there was a pregnancy, and we decided I
guess now is the time. Yeah, And he's I think
historically that's most pregnancy sort of apply like a person's value.

(49:57):
And this is like it's so weirdly harmful because he's
sort of excusing this behavior and saying like this is
how it is and this is how it should be.
Therefore you need to do this and this and this
to get this high on his little hierarchy. Uh, and
like it just puts so much value on uh, like

(50:17):
like just money, Like that's the value that he's trying
to focus on, as opposed to all the other values
that people look for when looking for a partner. I
don't know. Weird unpleasant way to look at things. Yeah,

(50:37):
I find it unpleasant, but you know what I do
find pleasant, Cody. The next thing you're gonna say, I
find your plug doubles deeply pleasant. I love it when
you plug things. Can I can? I say nothing gets
me harder? You can say it? Thank you again? Say

(50:58):
they did I have of I will continue to Yeah
you will. I'm gonna plug so hard? Um whatever anything
any hole? All right? Enough of that. Hi, I'm Cody,
and I have things on the internet. You can google me.
Cody Johnston is the name um gotta show on YouTube
called some More News and a podcast called even More

(51:22):
News and patreon dot com slash some More News is
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a band. Yeah, we don't have technically have songs available yet,
but we will probably by the time this air is
Actually it's called the Hot Shapes. Now, Cody, tell me this.

(51:48):
When you say a band, what kind of music do
you play? Is it ska? It's not ska unfortunately, and
yet you think it's music interesting? Interesting, interesting subject of
subjectively music? I don't know that. I agree with the
first non ska band. Someone finally did it. They created
music that wasn't ska. We did it. Somebody did it.

(52:12):
Somebody ring, ring the bell and tell the Mighty Mighty
boss Tones that they're great. Burden has been lifted. You
are free. You're free. Go make another album about George Floyd.
Oh god, Oh did you not hear that? Oh oh, Cody,
it was one of the worst things anyone's ever done. Yeah. Um,

(52:38):
you need to listen to that. In the break between
when we record episodes and when we come back to
part two, we will start by you talking about your
reaction to that Mighty Mighty Bosstones song. Oh yeah, oh Cody,
it's unbelievable. Anyway, that's been part one. We'll see you
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