Part Three: The Andrew Tate Story

Part Three of our series on Andrew Tate. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Boy, it's Boston. Robert opening up another episode of the
and Drew Tight Bodcayst. Wow, that was incredible. I think
I'm gonna try my American accent now. I hope that's
not offensive to anybody. I'm I'm Robert Evans. This is
the first and only Boston based podcast Behind the Best,

(00:24):
more like Behind the Master's like like Massachusetts. It somehow
keeps getting worse. I thought that was pretty good. I
thought that was pretty good. I would be more offended
if I actually liked Boston, which I doubt so. God,
it's so bad that I started to my whole face

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is right, and I've teared up. No. You see a
lot of the times we ignore the reddit when we
disagree with it, But today the subreddits filled with Bostonians
saying my accent is perfect. So I have decided to
take that as a mandate to continue speaking in a
Boston accent. Well, everybody, this is Behind the Bastards. It's

(01:05):
a podcast bad people tell you all about. Oh, I
have a Jamie Loftis text that says Butcher Jack Tommy,
They're on their way through Deadpool DVDs that you like
throwing stars if you do not stop the Boston accent. Well,
you know, Jamie is not really from Boston because she's

(01:28):
from She's from She's from Huavad and Bracton. Yeah, we
don't consider that Baston where I'm from, which is I
don't know the parts of Boston. Look, this, this joke
was always going to run into the limitation of me
not knowing anything about Boston. The Liberty Bell. I'm from

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the Liberty Bell. So yeah, that's as Boston as it gets.
Oh my god, they have a really shitty basketball team.
I've heard that about Boston from Bostonians. Yeah. Um, anyway,
this is this is behind the Bastards. We are. We
are heading into veering into part three of our our

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epic podcast on Andrew Tate that I and all of
you were cruelly forced to make because he suddenly, very
suddenly became extremely relevant. Um, and all of all of this,
all of our accents, all of our cross talk, is
an attempt to distract ourselves from the fact that we
unfortunately have to learn a lot more about Andrew Tate

(02:33):
and and Sophie. I. I know I'm about to force
a terrible, terrible quantity of Andrew Tate videos are editor
Ian Johnson, our editor Prints Kickboxing Champion of the World.
I'm just mentally preparing myself for a bunch of horrific
Andrew TikTok video. So not to mention one half of

(02:57):
the DJ group Gladiator, with our very own DJ Daniel.
We have the we have the full Gladiator on staff,
which is my favorite thing to brag about. All of
these things, all of these things are are true. Um,
and what's also true is that I have watched hours
of Andrew Tate. The people who live with me have
been miserable because while I'm cleaning the house, I've just

(03:19):
been putting on his eight hour long videos where he
tells people how to how to hustle. Yeah, I have
broken my brain and now it's time for everyone else
to suffer. Which could be the tagline of this show. Honestly.
Uh so, yeah, let's let's let's roll into it. But

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that don't do that to people where all of our
money comes from doing the headphones. I am wearing headphones
now when you're listening to eight hours of entertain no. See.
I mean the whole reason this podcast works and the
whole reason that I enjoy doing it is getting to
make other people miserable after making myself miserable. So if

(04:02):
if I were just hiding all of the Andrew Tate
and and experiencing it solo, I wouldn't enjoy it as
much as like when one of my friends comes home
from a long day of like teaching children at a
public school and sees Andrew Tate talking about child labor
on on the screen of my TV, and that's just
the thing that assaults them as they attempt to destress

(04:24):
from their day. I think that's beautiful, Sophie. I guess
I know who I owe apologies to on your behalf.
Oh everyone, everyone, Sophie. Uh So let's let's get back
into it. When we left off there there, Andrew in
Tristan Tate's webcam sex business, which was essentially just sex trafficking,
had taken off. They had started making a lot of money, um,

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and they had been forced to flee the United Kingdom
after committing a series of sex crimes. Um. So they
are in Romania now, Andrew Tate will and he's he's
pretty open about this because because after this point he
starts to get a lot more active on social media,
particularly Instagram, and when he's doing these kind of like
videos with his fans where he talks about how he

(05:08):
got rich and how to get rich. He'll talk about
why he moved to Romania, and his his explanation is, uh,
there's sex crime laws are a lot looser there. It's
a lot harder to get prosecuted because the government is
more corrupt. Um. And while I'm not a rapist, I
wanted to go to a place with more freedom to

(05:28):
commit sex scribes, which is something a rapist would say,
um and as in fact, something a rapist did say.
So it was never he was never particularly good at
hiding it and and spoilers. It may prove to be
a bad idea to taunt the government of the country
that you've moved to by calling them corrupt and saying

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they don't prosecute sex crimes, because Romania does actually have
serious problems with sex trafficking. Um. But it turns out
a great way to get a government to take a
problem seriously is to taunt them and say that they
don't care about that problem. When you become incredibly famous
for committing crimes, uh, yeah, it's gonna be good. Not

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not not to be advised, but that's a few years
in the future, because for quite a while this happens.
He moves around or so and and for years he's
very successful there, and he's he's instagramming as he as
he starts to buy these supercars, as he starts, you know,
hitting the wealth level that he can fly in private jets.
He's he's putting all of these videos out. Um, he's

(06:35):
engaging in stunts designed to draw attention, like promising to
pay fans ten thousand dollars if they show him a
good night out partying. Um. That catch was that. So
it's just to be clear, all this money is from
the website that him and his brother are running, right,
That's where it starts coming in from. As we'll get
into there. And and to be honest, I'm not going

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to be able to give anyone a cohesive answer is
to act only where all his money comes from because
he is a criminal. Um so. But but we know
a lot is coming in from the cam business at
this point, um enough that he's like, yeah, promising to
pay people tin grand if they show him a good
night out partying, um, and the catches he's gonna like
instagram beating them up if they if they don't show

(07:18):
him a good time. One fan took him up on this,
and the video has been scrubbed from the internet, but
the end of it takes like, I had a bad time,
Now you have to fight me. And this dude clearly
doesn't want to fight him, and is at one point
like here, I have to take my watch off, and
so like Andrew looks away and then he just bolts
and runs. It's like a beat from a fucking jet
apatat movie. Um. And it works incredibly well on Andrew

(07:42):
Tate because he is We're about to get into some
of the smarter stuff he did, but he's not not
nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Um. So
that's fun. Two thousand fourteen, I think, is the year
that the Tate brothers actually became millionaires. I found a
compilation of Instagram footage from that time and a a
YouTube channel called the tape pill. Um let me breathe

(08:07):
in your sorrow Sophie. That fuels me miss the Boston accent. Yeah,
see that that was the plan all along, get you
to miss the Boston Um. This Instagram footage of his
like first year as a millionaire's all shots of him
driving expensive supercars, of the brother's partying of piles of

(08:30):
cash inside of vehicles, and like there's a lot of
videos of piles of cash, of women like cleaning for him.
He's also really obsessed with showing like servants cleaning up
for him while he does his videos. Um. But Tate's
overall image, the way he presents himself is quite different
at this point. Um. In one shot, we see him

(08:50):
with a bunch of young women outside of a hotel
or something. He's got a full head of hair, and
he's wearing like a pink polo shirt and shorts. He
looks like a frat brother, um, which is not the
look that he goes for. He's kind of going for
more of like a sex criminal James Bond, which also
you might just call like regular James Bond if he
went shirtless more often in his his kind of modern ship.

(09:13):
But he's he's he's definitely just kind of he's kind
of basic still at this point, Um, Yeah, which I
found kind of interesting. In another shot from this compilation
of photos and footage, which I again I took from
a channel called the Tate Pill, we see a young
woman with Tate's girl written across her chest and sharpie.
Later on, there's a woman with Tates with Tate's written

(09:34):
on her as like a tattoo. Um, this is a
thing that you should keep in mind because it's going
to be relevant later and Sophie, I put a picture
in there of the lady with Tate's girl written. No, no, no, no,
let him let him see, let him, let him take
this in. Alright, I'm ready. Yeah, yeah, you got that in.
You're feeling good. And I was happy he wouldn't make

(09:57):
me show this too. Uh okay, yeah, yeah, now that
feels bad, but okay, let's keep lying. Yeah bad, you
don't say this whole thing is just giving me like
Dan Blazarian vibes. I feel like he like saw a

(10:17):
bunch of Dan Blazarian videos on the internet, was like
I want that, and then he just started doing it.
Are you familiar with Dan Blasarian? Oh yes, yes, Dan
Bilzerian who was like this big right wing muscle gun
influencer until he was present at that mass shooting in
Vegas and ran away rather than render ring aid to
any of the injured people. Yeahah, that guy, Dan Bilzerian,

(10:38):
great guy. Um, yeah, I mean think the difference is
that Tate would never have had a problem with running
away from a mass shooting because a big part of
his brand is you should only look out for yourself
and fuck everybody else. Um, So he could, he would
not have had he would not have had trouble handling
that situation. UM. That video compilation of Tate and his

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brother when they first become millionaires is like thousands of
video compilations of the Tates that literally the Internet, and
watching those compilations because he's been d platform so much,
is basically the only way to consume a lot of
Tate's content, And if you you know, want to consume
a lot of Tate content for some reason, he's been
d platform for most places. We actually just lost a

(11:23):
video we're going to play in here, So the easiest
way to find old episodes of Tate speech, your various
interviews is compilation videos like the one I found of
pictures of him when he was first got his millions. Um.
That's something to keep in mind because it's going to
be more relevant later. It's elevant evidence of the kind
of strategy that he actually used to get as famous
as he is. UM. But first we need to get

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into more of his back story. So in two thousands sixteen,
Mr Tate became a contestant on Big Brother, the UK
reality show. Um, well, I guess the UK version of
Big Brother, right. I think there's a bunch of versions
of it. I don't know, I've never watched Big Brother. Um,
but he was on the UK version of it, and um,

(12:09):
I don't understand the rules of the show. But he
came in as another housemate, which means he had to
get voted to housemates status or some ship. He had
to basically like socially engineer his way to being able
to stay on the show. And so he made a
big deal about being a strategizer and how he had
this like elaborate strategic plan to get on the house.
But before whatever plan that was came to fruition, footage

(12:30):
leaked of him whipping a woman. Um. Yeah, I mean
this is one of those ones that I'm a little
like unsure of because I've I've seen the footage and
like it's unpleasant. He claims that it is was a consensual,
kinky sex act, and so does the woman that he
was whipping. Um, And just based on the video that

(12:52):
might be true. Of this specific video again, we know
he's been physically abusive. There's a lot of evidence of that.
We know that he's committed. This specific video may actually
have been a kink thing, which is why I'm not
playing it because I just I don't think that kind
of thing should be played. So instead, let's watch a
little clip of Andrew Tate on Big Brother. Um. I

(13:14):
think that's going to give people a little bit better
of a context of this guy and how he was
presenting himself in two thousand and sixteen. Sophie, I've just
put the link into the chat. Yeah, we're gonna this
this This will be a good time for everybody, and
much more pleasant than that video. Regardless of what the
truth is of the video. You take from twenty nine
years old, and I'm a four times Kickbooksing World champion.

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I see myself as smarter than average. I was a
chess champion from a very young age and Major three.
My biggest tool is that I'm I'm not afraid of
anything I have. Don't need the money, I don't want
to be fair, I don't want any of that. So
I'm gonna be the most emotionally controlled person in the house.
Is Big Brother Time is up Andrew, confirm the character
trait you have all chosen and targeted, and explain your reasons.

(13:58):
The chosen sexy because we're assuming the first and he
describes himself as sexy as an indiot nobody because someone
sexually chose to be an easy choice. So that's Andrew Tate.

(14:18):
Um yeah, I mean you see what he's kind of
going for there is like I don't, I'm the most
emotionally controlled. You can't like affect me. Um. Yeah, he's
he's he's he's doing kind of a version of the
thing he's going to be doing. Um. But obviously he
gets kicked off the show very quickly. I think he's
on it for literally like a week. Um. Now, the

(14:41):
claim is that he's kicked off the show because this
video of him whipping this this woman gets leaked out, right,
and that like that's why they kick him off. There's
debate about this within the Big Brother fandom. Um. I
went through the Big Brother fandom WICKI because I wanted
to see how were the how were the bro stands
responding to Andrew take how do they feel about him?

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And they note this quote. Andrew himself and many other
fans believe that is an incorrect reason as to why
he was ejected. Andrew believes he was removed as a
result after unaired altercations with other housemates got very heated
and due to Andrew's fighting background, Big Brother feared violent
repercussions due to this and ejected him from the house.
And it's interesting that he would admit that because he's
basically saying they thought I was too violent and dangerous

(15:27):
and didn't want me to hurt somebody and get the
show in trouble, so they kicked me off, which I
actually think might be possible. I am going to say,
Andrew may not be incorrect there, because if I if
I'm Big Brother and I see the way this guy
interacts with people and his background, I might be like,
we may want to get this motherfucker off the show.
He seems like a violent psychopath. Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

(15:53):
It's also very likely that they just saw that sketchy
video and we're like, we don't we don't need this.
We don't need Big Big Brother doesn't need this pr um.
So either before before he went on the show, was
he already kind of starting to become famous a little bit,
or was this kind of like a jumping off point
for bigger fame. I certainly wouldn't call him famous. He was,

(16:14):
you know, a semi prominent within the UK, semi prominent
uh fighting sports star. He'd done a little bit of
m M A two um and he was a semi
prominent Instead. He had like, you know, I think in
the tens of thousands, maybe even like a couple of
hundred thousand followers on Instagram. Um, so he's not a nobody,

(16:35):
but he's not a celebrity, right, Like he's the he's
the level of celebrity that you you picked to be
on a Big Brother show, right yeah. Um. Now, as
with so many claims about this guy, obviously, like I'm
not going to say that the Big Brother Wicky fandom
wicki is a great source, but I did read through
it and I think it's worth reading to you the

(16:56):
biography that the Big Brother fandom Wicki gives for take
because I believe it's it's accurate to the kind of
stuff that Tate bragged about in his Big Brother appearance.
Here's his biography. Andrew is a member of MENSA as
the Iowa Writers Workshop, which I was fucking right about.

(17:16):
Thank you everybody, who mentioned in Yes people did red
motherfucking flag. Folks who are not on on the social
media should note that people pointed out the Iowa Writer's
Workshop was apparently started by the CIA um, which is
very funny in terms of Sophie being right about it
being shady, although I will say Robert bly does not

(17:37):
seem to have taken to the CIA's propagandia. You know
about the anti war but I guess, yeah, I guess
we'll see whatever feel about that. However, you want very
funny member of mensa, let's go back to that. That
is more of a red flo the CIA writing program.
I'm gonna I'm just gonna say that right now, text
Jamie about this. Does Jamie know that Andrew was her?

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Right now? I'm gonna continue Andrew's bio from The Big
Brother Wicky. Andrew was a four time world kickboxing champion.
His brother, who Andrew claims is his only true friend,
trades him what a sad sentence. Andrew believes that a
man should be able to sleep with as many women
as he wants, but that does not apply to women.

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So that's that's basically what you'd expect from Mr Tate, right, Yeah,
that sounds like a perfect encapsulation. What an incredible guy. Um. So,
the year after his big brother failure, Donald Trump, you
guys might have heard of this, becomes President of the
United States, and suddenly you got you got fascists in

(18:43):
the streets, you got the alt right suddenly being a
term and everybody's lexicon, and you've got this galaxy of
right wing and explicitly fascist media influencers just blowing the
funk up on social media. Andrew and Tristan saw this happening,
and they were like, this is how how we we
get huge, right, This is a perfect place for us

(19:04):
to just kind of nest like one of those wasps
that lays their eggs in your eyes and then burst out. Um.
So they decide to to be the wasps, and let's
say Alex Jones as I they start to experiment. Social
media posts bragging about their luxurious lifestyle had helped. But
that kind of stuff is a dime a dozen now.

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Andrew is unfortunately not a dumb man, uh, and so
he observed the successive guys like Mike Sernovitch, Alex Jones,
Paul Joseph Watson, and he recognized that they were all
using variations of the same tactic. They would post something
deliberately inflammatory on social media or on their own shows.
They'd have some sort of guests like David I could
talk about lizard people, or or they would go on

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this rant, or they just do something super racist and
that would generate outrage, and all of these liberal and
centrist and left wing journalists would cover the horrifying thing
that they'd said on social media, which would elevate their
profile and give them free advertise. Platforms are they're using
at this time, he is using primarily Instagram, and he's
going to get increasingly big on TikTok He's one of

(20:07):
these these the right wing influencers who's probably best at
TikTok um. He also, though he puts stuff on YouTube
for and until he gets banned from YouTube, he has
like a long kind of video blog podcast, and that's
kind of where he's starting. It's very it's very it's
very interesting the like the similarities to like Steve Bannon
using yea yeah, video game and and just message was

(20:30):
just thinking about that, yeah, yeah, and he's this is
very conscious, right, like he's he's he's and this is
this is where Andrew Tate is smart, right because intelligence
is is not a broad concept. It's a narrow thing,
and he's very intelligent when it comes to how to
build a right wing brand online. He watches what everyone
is doing and he takes the stuff that works best,

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and he's he's going to become very good at this.
But you know who's even better at this? The products
and services that sponsor the spot. They they have You
should see their right wing Instagram page. It is offensive
you say that, but most of our ads are programmatic

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and we have no idea what they are, so that
could be very I'm excited. I'm excited for the Gold
Company to come back. Everybody, Yeah, buy some motherfucking gold.
We are we are back. Uh. Sophie's letting us know
that Jamie Loftus, who did a podcast on Mensa, just

(21:34):
just got the news that Andrew Tate is a men's site.
How do she respond? All caps L O L no way, beautiful, beautiful,
perfect reply, happy, happy to have have have supplied her
with this information. Um. Yeah, So Andrew starts upping his

(21:55):
his appearances on social media. He starts integrating himself into
this right wing eco system, throwing out offensive ship and
just kind of using that to build his profile, to
get him invites to be on other people's shows. And
I'm gonna quote from the Guardian here to talk about
his rise to prominence. In September of two thousands seventeen,
he was criticized by mental health charities for saying depression

(22:16):
isn't real. The next month, he waited in on me
Too saying women should bear some responsibility for being raped
of you. He has since repeated and which, among other incidents,
led to him being barred from Twitter. The backlash one
Tate work and boosted his profile. He appeared on info Wars,
the podcast of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, was pictured with
far right YouTuber Paul Joseph Watson and met Donald Trump

(22:37):
Junior at Trump Tower, posting on Facebook afterwards the Tate
family support Trump fully. Magata he boxes, Yeah, he's he's
he's tic tac toed his way through the very worst
people in our society. In two thousand nineteen, police were

(22:58):
called after Taps showed up a the house of Mike
stuck Berry, a journalist who had been critical about him online.
Days act after yaks Ley Lennon, that's Tommy Robinson, who
he did an episode on, did the same thing. The
incident caused stuck Berry's wife to suffer a panic attack
and played a role in them leaving the UK for Germany.
So both that's gross physical intermidation of a guy who's
criticized him. But also he's just doing the same thing

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Tommy Robinson did, so you can see at this point
he's not a figure in his own right. Yet when
you are copying Tommy fucking Robinson, you have not yet
ascended right that it's one of the sadder right wing
grifters to be following in the footsteps of So he's
he's working on it, but he hasn't yet blown his

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way kind of out of the pack. All of this controversy,
all of these appearances on right wing talk shows and podcasts,
did successfully elevate Tait's profile, and he started funneling his
new fans towards his new business, one with a wider
appeal than webcam prostitution. He began offering a series of
classes to his followers. Initially, this was sleazy pickup artists

(24:02):
ship classes on how to get women. The market for
that is very crowded, though, here's how Tate attempted to
set himself apart from the pickup artist community. From the
promotional material I found for his now defunct pH D program,
Yeah yeah, it stands for something gross I forgot, but
I'm gonna read you the ad copy that he wrote

(24:24):
for this fucking thing. Andrew Tate is world champion kickboxer
who owns and operates strip clubs and webcam studios with
over seventy five girls working for him. He has created
a system that allows you to get girls quickly, easily,
and without spending money. Unlike other pickup artists who have
the odd girl here and there, Tate has top quality
that's in caps women living with him and making him

(24:45):
money full time. This makes him more qualified than any
other coach on the internet. Do you want to learn
how to get the odd girl from a pickup artist
or learned how to build an army of women who
are so loyal to you that they allow you to
have as many girls as you want. More importantly, he
has a fool proof system for retaining women, having them
do as you say and respecting you without taking up
or wasting large amounts of your time. As Tate said,

(25:09):
I don't want to tend unless she does everything I say.
It's obedience and loyalty that turns me on more than looks.
Whether you're looking to get girls, simply have your girlfriend
obey every command and be fiercely loyal, or learned how
to live with three or four girlfriends at once, his
Tate does, this is the course for you. So do
you go? Guys? So do we think Hitch was his

(25:29):
favorite movie? So I don't think you're allowed to make
references to Hitch. Nobody's seen Hitch. Ye have you seen
Hitch with Will Smith? I have seen Hitch. It's a
I mean, you know, it's a it's a fun little movie.
The leergic reaction for oh that was, you know, bringing

(25:51):
back Yeah, yeah that that entire thing was disgusting. Robert,
thank you for sharing. Oh yeah it was. When I
found that. I just that was. I did a little
chef's kiss like I was like I was cooking up
some spaghetti. Uh, it was good. It was good. Now
a big part of Tate's branding, And this is the

(26:12):
same thing when you were an influencer, right, if you're
trying to build like a cultishly loyal following, you have
to use cult techniques, and that means creating words that
were not in use before you started using them, um
and or at least repurposing words in ways that other
people don't use them and getting your fans to talk
that way. Um. And one of the things you know,

(26:33):
Tate Tate note knew this. And Tate also he had
paid attention to guys. You know again, think back to
our other cult leaders. We've got guys like Keith Rawnieri
who was called Vanguard. We've got Ron Hubbard who was
the Commodore. I forget what Werner or Hard went by,
but but we just did his episodes. Um and for take,
the kind of name that he had his fans call

(26:53):
him is top G. And you will see this in
a shitload of zoomer TikTok videos. I want to play
first a video for you of him talking to his
brother about what top G means. And this is from
the tape Pill YouTube channel, which that's the only YouTube
channel that I visit. Yeah, top G and tape Pill,

(27:13):
all those names make me want to crop. It's good stuff, Sylvie.
Here's the clip. Gee, everyone says top G. Kids are
now wearing a T shirt top on it. I want
to be a top G. I want to be the
top G. He basically trademarket. So what do you mean
by top G? Top G is an individual who is
capable in all realms. As my father said, sheer into

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fatiguability and unmatched pers picacity made him a feared opponent
in all realms of human endeavor. When you are top G,
you are dangerous at everything. That's why I'm talking. And
they were to say to you, you have to go
on a race track and race or take in cars.
He was like ships, you have to go in the
boxing ring and fight tape. Ship to fight tap, you
have to go debate. Take a ship tritly you have

(27:55):
to go try and get a girl, and takes also
trying to get a girl in the ship's get It
doesn't matter what's the call. The sition is as soon
as they say my name, you're gonna be like a fox.
My unmatched perspotacity, my ability to proceed. I share in
theocritig ability, the fact that I never get tired. You
add all this together, I am a feared opponent and
he were almost human endeavor, even things I don't yet
know how to do. You do not want to compete

(28:17):
with me in those things. That is why I am
so First off, it feels like he wasn't as good
at chess as he says because his dad had to
kick him out of a contest for crying too much.
Just do do keep that in mind as he makes
these claims. Now, I don't believe that Andrew Tate is

(28:37):
a competition race car driver because he has has never
done that. And also, and by the way, I again,
because he makes claims like this. I went to like
race car Twitter to see what they said about him,
and they had a bunch of rights. They had a
lot of weird There were a lot of you'll run
into people making these weird niche criticisms about his supercars

(28:58):
and how they're not the right kind of it's a
word of it's an expensive car that goes fast, okay.
And if you're a supercar nerd and disagree, you can
go to hell. Because I enjoyed reading and found it
like enlightening reading the chess and the kickboxing subredits. The
supercar people are insufferable, even the ones that don't like

(29:21):
Andrew Tate. So I I do love that. That's Robert's Yeah,
that's where he draws the line. It's like the supercars
just really were too much because they were like, well, no,
you want this supercar, not that one. I would never
And I was like, you don't like I'm sorry, I
don't I you you people. I don't believe God. I

(29:43):
can just imagine these supercar suckers like Tinder profiles. They're
so horrible. Their car is there, you know, the car
is in the picture. Yeah, I am, I am. I
simply don't care what you have to say about his supercars.
But what I do care about is the fact that
as silly as that all is, the top Gee ship worked.
And as evidence for this, I'm I have just sent

(30:04):
another link to the chat. This is a protest in Athens, Greece,
where what appears to be visually several thousand adult men,
uh and a number of men who are boys marching
through the streets of Athens. And I want, Sophie, I
want you to just play what they're chanting. Yeah. This

(30:26):
was after this was right after his arrest. Yeah, I
know what this is. I'm sad, and that is it's
not a I'll say this, that's not like a tiny
flash mob. There's a lot of people there is a

(30:47):
there is a distressing number of men in the street.
There's a distressing number of men in the streets that's
in Greece. Yeah, it is not great. So this works
very well. Um, Tate was very successful. And again we've
already covered the degree to which he's exaggerating an outright
lying about his competence. But he's successfully pushing a persona

(31:10):
of himself as hypercompetent and irresistible to women. As we've
already covered, a lot of what he says is objectively untrue.
His kickboxing record was cooked, his businesses are mostly cheap
scams or outright criminal enterprices. We'll get into that more
in a second, but it's worth digging into first the
reality behind the Andrew Tate method of picking up women.

(31:30):
In the wake of Tate's arrest, a brave nineteen year
old Romanian woman named Daria Gusha Goosa reached out to BuzzFeed.
She told them and provided evidence that in when she
was sixteen, Andrew Tate slid into her d ms on
Instagram with a message that read Romanian girl strawberry emoji,
which I think is a sex that the strawberry emoji.

(31:51):
I don't know I don't know what you kids use
when straw? Alright, carry on on the Graham, yes, Sophy,
g's it with the kids give at the times when
Tate message to her Instagram bio had the name of
her fancy private school, and she told BuzzFeed that a
number of other girls in her class had been messaged
by Tate around the same time in the same way,

(32:12):
So it seems like he was looking for basically just
like filtering his responses from girls in this private school
who were like sixteen, and then messaging a bunch of
them at once. Daria did not respond, but her friends.
Some of her friends did, and Tate complimented them, telling
them how beautiful they were. He bragged about his wealth,
and he offered to take them too expensive restaurants. After

(32:32):
a short back and forth, he would every time try
to meet up with the girls, be like, Hey, we
should meet up right now. Where are you I'll come
pick you up, we can go out and eat, and
I'm gonna quote from BuzzFeed next. None of her friends
went ahead with meeting with him, she said, and once
Tate realized they weren't going to, he started to insult them.
The second that girls stopped applying to him. He starts
getting a bit verbally abusive, calling them ugly and stuff,

(32:54):
right like that, just to get the reaction out of
them and keep engaging with them, Gusa said. And that's
I think useful to to go over because that's normal
shitty guy on the internet stuff. That is, there's a
billion guys doing that. There's nothing special about him. He
doesn't have some sort of secret. He's not irresistible. He's

(33:14):
just doing the same thing that Like, there's like there's
a whole bunch of Twitter accounts that like semi professionally
post like screen grabs of guys sliding into women's d
m s all around the world doing that exact thing. Like,
there's nothing about his method that is special or rare.
He just practices it exclusively on children. Um, and you

(33:36):
know what he's doing is he's he's I'm sure shotgunning
out these requests to so many people that statistically just
like with like a you know exactly, it's like one
of those like email scams. Right, some number of people
are going to like respond, It'll work on some number
of people, and that's all he cares about, right, Um,
And I do think That's important because when it comes

(33:56):
to actual pickup artistry or whatever you wanna call it,
and Drew Tad is no different than every other frustrated
adult male piece of ship looking to flirt with little kids.
Yeah you're not special, motherfucker, just like every other creep.
Yeah exactly. He is just like every other creep behind
the curtain. Now, none of this, though, is public during
the rise of Andrew Tate's social media profile or his

(34:18):
main online business, which would become Hustlers University. That's what
he calls this, like a series of classes and training
programs that he starts to launch um and it's the
kind of thing like he is undeniably good at getting people,
and it's mostly the people who mostly believe this image
he's crafted are children, right, they are also children. They're

(34:40):
male children, all of his all of his victims, the
women that the girls that he's flirting with are mostly
children or of extremely young adults. And the people with
exactly who can't do critical thinking or make like a
big decision exactly. And the people he's trying to get
money from are like boys. I'm like, I'm going to
say age twelve to twenty and uh yeah, that's that's

(35:06):
that's who this ship works on. Now. I found an
eight hour class from Hustlers University up on YouTube, which
is just part one of his his watch did there are?
You can find a lot of these have been uploaded
since his arrest, and there's like a hundred of them

(35:27):
doing house chores and then blasting this. I'm sweeping, I'm cleaning.
You know, I'm standing standing naked doing planks on my
in my living room floor. Normal stuff. Um, not your
living room floor. Oh yeah, that's the only place I
do it. So yeah, I felt like I had to

(35:47):
watch through these because Tate claims at the start that
these do contain his entire understanding of business and how
to make money. Um, I figured watching it would give
me some insight into the soul of the man himself.
And boy, howdy did it ever? God. So we're gonna
go into that in a little bit. But first, you
know what we're gonna go into. Oh is it an

(36:09):
ad back? Isn't an advertage? Sure is an ad break.
It's some products, some services, the odd product and service.
We're going to go into that. I'm gonna do my
hustle before we we we introduce you all to Hustlers University. Oh, Robert,
that was despicable. Yeah, well, welcome to the potty Pal.

(36:36):
We are back. Hustlers University starts out pretty boring. He
gives his definition of a business, which is a thing
that money goes into. Right, that's the only thing of businesses.
So thanks, thanks for explaining that. Thanks, I have no
idea before. Okay, thank you, thank you. Andrew. Well, it's

(36:56):
interesting because since a business is only something money goes into,
if you are putting money into startup costs, if you're
putting money into R and D, if you're paying for
things like PR, that is all a waste of time, right,
because that's spending money. A business only takes money in. Now,
you may be saying, well, but you have to spend
money to make money. That's like a thing everybody knows

(37:18):
about business. That's just the way that it works, right.
Andrew says no, And in order to explain what a
fool you are, he gives an example of a good
business that he had an idea for. And this first
example of a good business is starting a website to
sell makeup online. Now, he says, he's adamant that like
you don't need to have any makeup. You don't need
to have a product. All you do is you make

(37:38):
a website selling makeup, and then you wait for a
bunch of people to buy the makeup, and then you
figure out where to get makeup with the money that
they've spent on makeup that you didn't have before, and
then you send it to them. Sounds like that, that's
that's genius brain level business stuff. Start start a fraudulent
makeup business, and then buy makeup once you start getting money. Um,

(38:01):
I don't think that that would work, uh, in part
because there's a lot of makeup that's a real company
out there that people can buy from a lot of
other options. Act. So yeah, and I'm sure a lot
of people have that question. Um, how how are you
supposed to actually get cash flow started without investing, without
having something to make people want to buy your makeup?

(38:24):
And Tate has an answer for you, and that answer
is child labor. Um. So I'm gonna play a clip
from you and as an aside, during this clip, when
you hear him tell someone to wipe down his white board,
it's some random cam worker in his home. It's a
young woman who like lives with him that he has
doing minor chores in the background. This is the thing
that he does in all of his videos. Family and

(38:45):
friends are actually the best staff you can possible get. Now,
people say, don't mix friends with business, don't mix family
with business. Can you clean my board? Sit here and
wipe it. Don't mix friends with business, yeah, good, don't
don't make friends with business. Don't mix family business. That's

(39:05):
a lie. So the reason people say this is because
people are dickheads and they can't get along with anyone
they're not. They can't get along with anybody long enough
to make any money. But I guarantee you have family
members right this second who can make you money. I
guarantee you you have a fifteen year old niece, nephew, cousin, brother, whoever,
who knows more about computers than you do. I guarantee

(39:28):
there's a fifteen year old out there with nothing better
to do, who knows more about photoshop than you do.
Right now. His stupid ass needs a job, so you
can start a company right now. Yeah. So that's that's
that seems good, right, That's that's a solid business idea.
Have have young relatives and trick them into working for you. Um,

(39:52):
absolutely genius, Andrew you are. You're the finest business mind
of our generation. Um. Now he follows this up with
his next incredible piece of corporate advice, which I think
might be of interest to some prosecutors in Romania. And
I'm gonna have Sophie play that one. Next. Don't get
legal before you get rich. This is super important. We're

(40:16):
talking about hustling here. I'm telling you the hacks to
becoming rich. Do not get legal before you are rich.
You can fix your legal bullshit when you've already made money.
It's a shame I've deleted my or erase to my
beautiful makeup diagram. But it's very similar to what we're
saying earlier. I know so registered for v A T,

(40:40):
registered with the tax man, already have an accountant, and
haven't made any money yet. I and most of my
companies will make a million dollars before I'll even consider
sucking around with a tax form, talking to an accountant,
or registering any fucking companies. All that ship is on
the layer base until you have proved the viability of

(41:01):
your company and you have money coming in. When you're
rich and you have money in the bank, then worry
about that stuff. Do not waste your time, energy and
money doing all that legal crap before you know anything
about whether your business is gonna work. It's if every

(41:21):
time I had to start a company or an idea,
I had to go register a company, getting account and
do tax forms, do vat form. What a waste of time.
I'll started maybe a hundred companies in my life. Twenty
of them made money. You tell me eight times I
would have had to funk around. Don't do that. I
know so many people who have a company legally but
don't have a company in reality, because it exists as

(41:43):
a legal entity, but it does not provide cash. A
company provides cash. If you're a street drug dealer, you
own a company much more than the guy with all
the legal entities which ain't making money. Do not. We're hustlers.
Here's the hustlers university. Do not confuse this money in
what's the lessons I've been teaching you? Money in? Where's
the money in? Pointing at the empty white nothing written

(42:06):
on it, there's nothing, Oh my god. Yeah. So because
people this is an audio medium, he is like pointing
and circling things on an empty whiteboard. Because he's forgotten
that he had one of his cam workers, uh, erase
everything on it. Um. Obviously, this is terrible advice, in

(42:28):
part because if you start a business that doesn't make
a profit and you did not do any of the
legal things you needed to do, there's a good chance
that at some point the tax man will come and say, hey,
you didn't do all this ship you needed to do,
and we know that. You know now you owe us
a shipload of money, and because your business failed, you
owe even more because you broke a bunch of laws.

(42:51):
That's one thing that is concerning about the advice that
he's giving. Although anyone who's going to start companies using
the andretain advice probably deserves to be in trouble with
the I R S or whoever, So I'm not going
to complain too much about it um. But also I
kind of hope someone in Romania is aware of these videos,
because I I suspect Andrew Tap did not dot the

(43:11):
eyes across the teas necessary to make all of his
shady business is legal in that country. He was operating
casinos and strip clubs in the country once he got rich,
like actual ones, not just cam ones. So um, I
I kind of think there's a decent chance he will
wind up getting extra charges as a result of not
legally operating any of his businesses. UM fun thing to

(43:33):
brag about, Andrew. So the next point he makes in
this video of of really just irreplaceable financial advice is
use what you've got. And this is where Andrew actually
gives us some context on how he started his cam
business and why. But first we get a little bit
more child labor advocacy. I just gave you the example

(43:55):
of the fifteen year old cousin who can make websites,
And now you want a website company or your fifteen
year old cousin who can do I don't know fucking
who knows what he can do. He can mow lawns
every fifteen year old and mo lawns. Now you have
a lawnmowing business. Bang, tell his stupid ask to go
deliver some flyers. Drive him around your car, play some Tupac,
chill out in your car, text some bitches, drive at

(44:15):
five miles an hour. Let him drop off all the
leaflets and then let him mow all the lawns. You
collect all the money and just pay him a percentage. Bang,
you now own a lawmo lawnmoaning company. Congratulations, Use what
you got. I made a lot of money with webcam girls.
If you're watching this, you don't know that webcam girls.
You can go to a chatter bait dot com. You
see girls on their on webcam getting naked talking to

(44:37):
dudes taking money. That made me millions and millions of
dollars and came up with that idea by sticking to
this principle, use what you've got. So right now, if
you're sitting there, what are you saying? And I mean everything?
Just way, have a car, it's on lease. You have
physical strength, Let's say you're a strong guy. When I
was making my list, I was writing and now I
was like, well, I've got six girlfriends. Six girlfriends, so okay,

(45:00):
strip How can girls make your money? Strip club? But
that takes money to set up? Remember costs. I cannot
get money in a strip club without a club. So
I looked at all the costs for a strip club
and realize it's too expensive Before I could get money in.
It's too big a risk. Remember it's too much risk.
I can lose three for under grand. Can't risk that.

(45:22):
How could I get money? In. How can I get
money in for having hot girls without spending money out?
So my first idea was strip club. But I looked
at all the costs. I was like, okay, so how
why do men send? Why do men spend money on
girls and strip club? Because the girls are beautiful, they
get to look at the girls, see some titties that
How can I do that without the club? Well, the internet.

(45:45):
If I put them on the internet, it's cheap. This
is literally how I thought. I stuck to my business principles. Okay,
it's cheap. Start looking up bound discovered the webcam websites.
All right, So I've already got the girls. I've already
got a laptop, I've already got the internet bag. The
day I had the webcam idea, the same day I
was making money. I didn't spend any money, but I

(46:07):
was making new money because I refused to allow myself
to spend. Now, I started making new money in with
the webcam because I knew I had the internet. I
knew I had laptops, I knew I had girls. Use
what you've gone? Look around you? What people do you have?
Does your old mother need a new jobs? Maybe she's
at home, and she's black. Oh my god, maybe she

(46:28):
will do your old mother. If you have cousins, niece's nephews,
do you have a girlfriend who has nothing to do
use what you have? The most offsetting thing about all
of this is like you can see how like this
people can fall for this, or like the how people
can be susceptible to this, because obviously he's taking it

(46:48):
to a sick discussing extreme, but like, at the core
of it, like that does make sense on some level.
If you have a bunch of you know, old baseball
cards or whatever, you can start selling them at school,
will make a little extra money. But like, he's taking
it to such an extreme level of exploitation and illegality
that it's like insane. But I could see how someone

(47:09):
who's maybe not as savvy or is really gullible could
be influence or fall for this kind of stuff. And
that's what makes people like this so fucking dangerous. Yeah,
and what's going on here? There's two things going on here, right,
And this is always the case with him. It's the
case with like his the thing, the brags, the lies
he makes about his background. It's true, he's pretty good
at chess, It's true his dad was very good at chess.

(47:31):
It's true that he was a decent kickboxer. Um. And
then he kind of uses that core of truth and
then wraps a bunch of lies around it in order
to make this persona It is true that a lot
of people with small businesses use their families for free labor. Right.
There's like laws in the United States where kids normally
there's a lot of restrictions and how they can work

(47:52):
unless it's like a family owned business. Right if you
like own a corner store, you can have your sixteen
year old work it and they're not subject to all
of the restrictions that like seven eleven would be if
they tried to hire a sixteen year old, right, Like,
there's some differences there. Um, I'm not saying, by the
way that that's good or bad. I'm just that's the
way that it works. This is pretty normalized. What he
is saying is like taking that idea and saying no, no no, no,

(48:14):
What you should be doing is getting all of these
people who are emotionally invested in you and love you
and using them as free labor to make yourself rich.
Right Like, that's that's the class and what he's doing
there is he's taking the logic of a multi level
marketing company all of these all of these like Avon
kind of fucking bullshit companies where they or uh these

(48:37):
different like essential oil companies that we've talked about for
years on the show, where like all all rely on, Hey,
your friends need this makeup, your friends need these supplements,
your friends need this shitty low quality leggings um and
you can make a lot of money getting them to
sell and getting them in your upline. And you know

(48:58):
that that that's one of the things that's ruined, like
the social Internet, Facebook has become a place where like
people you knew fifteen years ago get in touch, pretending
to be your friend and then try to to get
you to like become a do Tera representative or some ship.
He's using this logic because he knows that it works.
But instead of the thing that is obviously shady and

(49:19):
that people have kind of more defense is built up around,
which is like, hey, try to get your family to
like buy into this business, what he's saying is like, no, no,
get him to work for you, you know, offer them
like a share of profits or something to which obviously
you know, and he goes into later to tail about
how you can fuck them over on that. But he's
he's he's taking this thing that has been a part

(49:40):
of American grift culture for forever and he's he's twisting
it um in a way that is I think kind
of uh it is it is new and this is
part of like the thing that he does that's intelligent,
but it's also just very transparently awful and evil, very
predatory towards extremely predatory um. And speaking of extremely predatory UM,

(50:08):
I wanna I want to dig into the business genius
of Andrew tight here because it is worth going into
kind of the inevitable sort of conclusions you have to
make based stuff of what he's saying. In the example
that he's given that fifteen year old kid has no
reason to give you the money that he's making mowing lawns,
right because he's doing all of the work to work,

(50:30):
to advertise and to actually mow. You only get your percentage.
He doesn't mention earlier, like one of your assets is
being strong. The only way is to get a percentage
from him are either literally just the threat of violence
or gas lighting making him think that like he's going
to make more money than he is, and that you
won't be making as much money as you are from
his labor. And this is true of the cam girls

(50:51):
to His only actual advice boils down to various forms
of robbery, and this is particularly clear when he starts
talking about the profit making potential of Uber, which is
already exploitative. Um but Andrew Tate, I'm gonna play this
next clip to you. This is him talking about how
to use Uber in your own business to make money
via child labor. Rent a car, find a way to

(51:14):
rent a car with onlim in mileage per month. Tell
him he's gonna do ten hours of Uber a day
to train how to drive. Lie to his ass and
say that you in the Uber app you can track
and make sure he ain't breaking the speed limits. So
we drive safe. Put his ass on Uber, pay for
his gas and keep and give him half the money
and keep half for yourself. Bang done, Set him up,
Get him ready. This This is ship I didn't plan.

(51:37):
I'm just telling you things off the top of my
head because this is how I think as a hustler.
I don't I don't need to sit and think. I
just know there's money, and I find a way to
get the money. That's how I am. So right. Now,
you've got cousins out there who aren't driving Uber, you
can convince him to drive Uber? Well, then why don't
they do it without you? Easy? You can talk some ship,
make some shut up. Hey, if you got an Uber account, no,

(51:59):
I'll set all up for you. Because it's complicated. And
there's some tax. I'll handle the tax. Don't pay no tax.
Just why blah blah blah. Get him a Uber, get
him in cars, bang bang bank. So he just assumes
everyone around him is stupid and stupid and trusting. He
assumes that, like, hey, your cousins probably trust you. Lie

(52:20):
in order to rob them, make them work for you
for basically nothing, and steal the money they suggested. Making
money off of women, he sex trafficking, old mother was
thrown around, little children. Yeah, those are his business out.
Don't forget the makeup company that does not sell makeup.

(52:43):
He is forget the finest capitalistic mind of a generation.
Maybe she's born with it, maybe it doesn't exist. Actually makeup. Uh,
it's so funny that like people talk about how smart
this guy is and like how he's changed. He's changed.
He's changed. My we'll get into like why people talk

(53:05):
about him changing their lives and all this ship. But like,
at the end of the day, what he's offering here
is like, hey, rob your friends and family. It's the
same MLM thing, but he he has and this is
this is I think, Uh, credit seems like a weird
way to say it, but it is needful to acknowledge.
This is an innovation the way in which he is

(53:27):
He is telling people to rob their friends and family
in order to try to get rich, and it won't
work for them most of them. This obviously, I think
this is what Tate does. He has his brother worked
for him and his cousins work for him. If you
are the right kind of psychopath, you can make money
this way. It's just that even of the people who

(53:47):
are interested in Hustler's University, most of them are not
that kind of psychopath, and so they're not going to
be successful or they're just not a smart enough psychopath.
Um mat, did you say how much people were paying
for this class? Uh? So these were? It changed over time.
At first it was like a per class thing. Eventually
it's going to change to a monthly fee and and

(54:09):
obviously actual sales figures you're never going to get, but
tap makes like in the millions of dollars of this
um yeah, off of the version one, and he iterates
quickly by one, he ditched the like courses and picking
up women and running can businesses to focus on this
new venture, like this thing that he does because this

(54:29):
is like the early version of Hustlers University. This is
the thing that works really well. And so he decides,
being intelligent in a very specific way, he decides he's
going to spend this into the main business that he's
going to do, and he he opts to relaunched Hustlers
University as Hustlers University two point out, and we're going
to get into that. And it's just what a wonderful

(54:52):
and innovative title. It's so infuriating because it's like kind
of brilliant, like the timing of it, because on a
lot of people are out of work or have more
free time at their state of hustle, ready to hustle
make make some extra cash on the side, and he's
just like praying on that. It's also like tim it's
time and way specifically, I want to just emphasize on

(55:13):
that a lot of kids are home alone, a lot
of kids are are doing remote learning school and have
access to whether that be a computer or an iPad
or some kind of digital device, and our home alone
without supervision. And you know, the the algorithms have brought
them to Andrew Tate, and um, and he got him,

(55:35):
and he's he's got him, and he's he's offering them
the other thing that's happening here too, you know there
we were talking around this there at home, the pandific.
They're they're lonely. Also, the cost of living is skyrocketing
and people, especially in the UK. This is less the
case in the US, but in the UK, where's a
lot of his fans, there's like a financial crisis hitting right,

(55:55):
like things have not been great for the last year
to change over over in the United Kingdom. Um, which
is why it's so easy to uh to to buy
things with British pounds right now. Sorry, y'all, It just
is at the moment um. And and so Tate is
recognizing that, like there's a lot of young kids who
are starting to come into the economy and realizing how

(56:18):
hard it is to just tread water and so they're
desperate for anything that will give them a hope of
getting out of the fucking con game that is life
under capitalism. And that's that's what fucking Tate is um
is taking advantage of, is these kids who are looking
for a hack to get out of the trap. Um.

(56:38):
And yeah, we're gonna talk about what he does next
and how well it fucking works and uh spoilers will
have an appearance from Alex Jones in Part four, the
final part of this glorious series. But first, Ian Sophie, y'all,
y'all got stuffs? Two plugs? Ian, what do you have
to plug anything? Yeah? And um m hmmm, I would say, uh,

(57:04):
just you know, check out Internet Hate Machine. It's one
of the other more like Internet Machine. Sorry, that's not
right at all. That's not what the show is about.
That's another Cools one media show that I work on. Um,
it's a great show with bridget Todd, really relevant and
interesting topic about the healthscape that is social media right now. Um.

(57:31):
And I would also just say plug just being kind
to others, you know, being a nice, respectful person in
this world. It's life is already hard enough. It's free
to not be an asshole, So I'd say that. Wow.
You say it's free to not be an asshole, But
if you consider the fact that by not putting your
mom and your child cousins to work, you're leaving money
on the table, it actually can be extremely expensive not

(57:54):
to be an asshole. You can hear more on my
nine hours series Committing Crimes using your family members as
Patsy's University. Um do I teach you? Do I get
to plug? Okay? I want to I want to plug
two books that are available for pre order right now,

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the first of which is Jamie Loftus's book about hot
dogs called Raw Dog. It is available for preorder go
to her go to her social meds for all that info,
and also are very on Margaret Killjoy of Cool People
Who Did Cool Stuff, which I also Edits has a
book available for pre pre sale also called Escape from
insil Island. And I would like to plug those two books.

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Check out both of their social meds to get info
on that bold and heroic of you, Sophie. And I
want to plug my new business course, Crime Guy University,
where I teach you how to take You've got a
mom who's out of work, You've got some young cousins. Look,
you can monetize that ship through the simple, legal, easy

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method of getting them to sell heroin for you. You know,
you know what's really about this business, though, Robert Sophie does,
which is why you should listen to Sophie's sixteen hour course.
That's card literally starting a cartel um so. This is

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sponsored by our friends at the Simaloa Cartels. Sophie, anyway,
we'll be back by, We'll be back unfortunately by all Right.
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