Part Three: The Fall of Alex Jones

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M hey, everybody, welcome to Behind the Bastards. I'm Robert Evans,
and this is the show where we tell you everything
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the day. M hmm. Do you hear the sound of

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it biting back? It feels so good to hear that.
Oh my god, Benjamin No co hosts of ridiculous history
and stuff they don't want you to know. Also a
little punchy right now because here we're on the East
coast and so it's eight o'clock right now, and we've
been here since about eight am, and uh so if
but it's fine, I just I'm like writing it out.

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I'm having a great time. Also, we can see each
other on video, so every time that Robert eats a derrito,
we we noticed the pause, we get the whole gravitas
of the performance, you know, and take a shot of whiskey.
And I'm personally very excited that we, you know, want
to welcome all the listeners, uh to this episode that

(01:02):
that we've teased for a little bit, because that last
episode had some really heavy, emotionally powerful and uh, despair
worthy stuff, and I think we're finally setting ourselves up
for some catharsis right, Robert, Yes, we are so. Just
in case you're tuning in for the part three for
some reason and haven't watched the first two, we're talking
about Alex Jones. In part one, we talked about his

(01:23):
rise and how he's sort of invented a lot of
the field that we're all currently employed in and figured
out how to market stuff using the Internet and podcasts
in the radio and really revolutionary ways. In part two,
we talked about how he built an empire selling supplements,
some of which contained six times the recommended daily dose
of lead, and how his empire was heavily dependent on

(01:44):
convincing people that the government was attacking them and that
they were under threatened about to be destroyed, and that
this sparked a number of mass shootings, or at least
was a factor potentially in a number of mass shootings,
because a whole lot of his fans have committed mass shootings.
We ended by talking about the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory,
which Alex Jones was one of the origin points for,

(02:05):
and which resulted in a massive lawsuit that is still ongoing.
So as as you talked about today, is the schadenfreude
episode of of Alex Jones, the Fall of the House
of Jones, where we talk about sort of the collapse
or what appears to be the collapse of this empire
that he has built. But before we get into all

(02:25):
of the lawsuits, I'm going to go back in time
a little bit to the election. It is possible that
Alex Jones did not want Donald Trump to win the
two thousand and sixteen election. Uh you will remember back
in two thousand and twelve, there was some suspicion by
people close to Alex that he actually voted for Barack
Obama because he was afraid that he would make less
money with a Republican in the White House. And when

(02:47):
on election night it started to look like Trump was
going to win, one staffer who was with Jones on
that night reported later, quote, he looked depressed. You could
tell when he found out that Trump was going to win.
You could see his mood change. This employee noted that quote,
his business is based on a fear of the left
taking over a conservative way of life. He has to
have that power of fear, that idea that they're going

(03:10):
to take your guns. Trump winning put it all in jeopardy. Now,
I don't know how true that is. I suspect the
employee who said that may have been Ashley Lynn Beckford,
who filed an e O C claim against Alex this
year that we'll be talking about in a little bit,
but maybe not. We don't know if that quote is true.
We do know that, on paper, at least late two
thousand sixteen was the apex of Alex Jones's influence. He

(03:33):
claims to have had eighteen million viewers watching the returns
come in live on election Night. Now. A few weeks later,
in mid December, Alex filmed one of the most incredible
videos I've ever seen in my entire life. I thoroughly
suggest you listeners find this video on our website because
it shows Alex Jones looking like an unhinged, goddamn maniac,
and more so than he has ever looked before. In

(03:55):
this video that we're about to play the audio from,
he is shirtless wandering our round the woods near his
studio in the dead of winter. One of his cameraman says,
it's twenty five degrees outside Jones is an asset or something.
He looks like it. Man, I think he looks like
he's about to change into a wolf. He's like mid metamorphoustamorphouses.

(04:18):
Imagine Alex Jones about to burst into werewolf dum and
you'll have a good idea of how he looks in this. Now.
In the part of the video right before I play this,
Jones claims that the media would freak out if they
knew how connected he was to the New Halls of
Power and the President Trump. And now we're gonna play
a good chunk of this video for y'all the experience.
This feels fantastic. This is what it is to be alive.

(04:39):
Her answers, run, run. It's a lot of colder than this,
taking animals hall on them back to the y. That's
what it's. I'm not here bathing in the night forest,
bathing as it's all about. I don't need. He's on
heavy drugs. He did a couple times in high school.
I'm like, this is harding an anxiety attack. He might

(04:59):
be on that. This this is what it is to
take on the global It's to have Hillary attack you
and attack you when the communist Chinese attack you and
call for your censorship. Dart the dark heart right there,
It is right there. I do have greight hair, only
my heart. But the point is is that this is
what it's all about. This is what it's like when
you don't sit in front of video games all day
and act like you're intellectual and act like you're tough.

(05:19):
And I'm not criticizing you you playing video games. The
point is it's designed and it's to humanize you in
every single way. And it feels so good to break
free from the matrix. It feels so good to be alive.
It feels so good to be involved, and it feels
so good to just feel my humanity rising as we
resist the globlest Him is the spirit of humanity re
enters the earth and the enemy. Just the looks on

(05:43):
both of your faces right now are priceless. I wish
I wish this was a video podcast or whatever. Oh
my god, he keeps it is just that is the
most bonkers thing I've ever seen in my life. No,
there's no doubt he He's like on Hiawaska or some ship.
I mean like that. I don't know what is going
on with him. Forest bathing forest bathing, Yes, he continues.

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The video goes on for quite a while and he
continues to wander around in the woods, followed by a
giggling camera crew. H Jones suggests staying outside for hours.
He repeatedly says how good he feels in the cold.
He says at one point, quote people jump into buckets
of ice. That's what's cold, which is not an untrue statement.
That is cold. Uh. He tells an elaborate story about

(06:26):
going hunting with his dad, all in the same manic tone.
He suggests marching down to Barton Creek and then he says,
it's weird your body doesn't get cold if you wear gloves.
What he's wearing gloves and nothing else on his chest
in that video. And apparently we have a lot Atlanta
where our podcasts are based, beautiful city. Um, we have

(06:48):
a lot of very interesting people struggling with drug addiction.
And that's totally sounds like crackhead logic, Like I could
see somebody assuring us that it's okay, they're not cold,
or they can't get wet or something because they have gloves.
You know that. He does definitely seem like he could
be on crack. If you were to tell me this

(07:10):
is a video of Alex Jones having just smoked a
big rock of crack, I would say, yeah, that's maybe
We're gonna play one more clip from that video. So
right before this next clip, he starts talking about, you know,
going bald, and then he throws in an ad offering
off of coloeal silver. Because even wandering around on drugs,
shirtless in the woods, Alex Jones knows how to plug

(07:32):
his fucking products. All Right, calm, these are really badass stuff,
people asked. I mean, I turned into a blob. I'm
not in great shape now, but I lost it almost
seventy pounds sixty a lot of muscle. Uh. And it is.
I haven't taken any brain forces. I just didn't need it.
Had had coffee uh today, and I'm just hired to
cock with what's happened in the world. I mean, we're
battling the globless, we're affecting world change. As a man,

(07:54):
my body just goes, this is great, here's more energy.
Great job. I almost want to play the whole video,
but that would be too much for the people listening.
But it's a remarkable thing. You should watch this video
of Alex Jones, shirtless, wandering in the woods and screaming,
going like the gamnet of human emotions here. He deserves

(08:15):
an Emmy for that video. I don't know what emmy,
but just someone should give him one. This is right
after the election. He certainly doesn't seem bummed about Trump
winning in this video, so who knows what his actual
feelings were. There's obviously been a lot of debate recently
and over the last couple of years about how much
influence Alex Jones now has in the White House. UH
In two thousands seventeen, BuzzFeed made a good case for

(08:37):
how his ideas at least regularly spread to the president.
Quote in early March, in response to claims that the
Trump administration was potentially colluding with Russia, and info Wars
editor tweeted an old photo of New York Senator Chuck
Schumer looking chummy with Vladimir Putin. Twelve hours later, the
image was splashed atop the Drudge Report, and less than
twelve hours after that, Trump's presidential account had tweeted it.

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It wasn't the first time something like this had happened.
In November two sixteen, info Wars published a story citing
an unverified claim from a former Texas Health and Human
Services Commission deputy commissioner that three million non citizens had
voted illegally. The info war story was leaked by the
Drudge Report, and thirteen days later wound up the subject
of a tweet from Trump's account. As Jones put it

(09:18):
last summer to the journalist John Ronson, quote, I put
out a video a message to Trump, and then two
days later he lays out the case. It's like sending
up the bat signal. So Alex Jones is able to
get information to Donald Trump, but it's possible and very
likely in fact, that the two have not had communicated
directly since that time Trump called him right after the election.

(09:40):
In fact, it doesn't look like the direct line to
President Trump that Alex was hoping for in that shirtless
video ever, came to pass. In March of two seventeen,
in an interview on the Travis County Courthouse steps, Alex
Jones total reporter quote, we don't speak much since he
became president. It's unclear if Jones is happy with the
influence he has or angry because he doesn't get to

(10:00):
communicate directly and formally to the President. I really don't know.
In any case, the first hundred days of the Trump
administration were actually not a good time for Alex Jones.
For one thing, that dude held up the Comet Ping
Pong pizzeria with an a R fifteen, believing child sex
slaves were hidden in its basement. Jones wound up having
to apologize for helping to spread the theory in order
to avoid liability for his actions. Then he still wound

(10:21):
up in a court fighting a vicious custody battle. Two
thousand seventeen was the spark for a so far endless
series of lawsuits from Mr Jones. Now during these episodes,
I've repeatedly referenced to two thousand eleven Rolling Stone article
Meet Alex Jones. I told you that while it definitely
took the stance that Jones was a crank, it presented
a pretty fond picture of the guy quotes like this.

(10:41):
People think I'm depressive and angry, but it's the opposite,
Jones tells me over Margarita's at his favorite Mexican joint.
My life is a love letter to humanity, with the
globalist do as a hate letter a curse. The article
describes Jones as a doting father, a devoted husband, and
definitely not a racist. Quote. Unlike many of his conspiracy
minded predecessors, Henry Ford, the Ku Klux Klan, the Militia movement,

(11:04):
Jones has no tolerance for racism or anti Semitism. There's
no globalist command center, and I never make it about
certain groups, says Jones, whose wife is of Jewish descent
and whose adopted sister, Marley is Asian American. So Jones
denies being racist. Uh, and Rolling Stone was willing to
give him credit on that in two thousand eleven. Um,
now in two thousand eighteen, we have some evidence that

(11:26):
he may in fact be a little bit racist. And
that's what we're going to get into right now. Um,
We're about to read some excerpts from a complaint made
by Ashley Lynn Beckford, a black former employee of Alex
Jones and Info Wars. She made this complaint to the
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in two thousand eighteen. The complaint
does not portray a man with no tolerance for racism. Ashley,

(11:47):
who I believe was the third ever black employee at
Info Wars, filed this in February of two eighteen. You
can find a link to the whole report on our site,
but I'm gonna read some quotes to it from it.
To my knowledge, I was the only African amer Arcan
woman ever to work at Free Speech Systems LLC. I
was at the forefront of info wars news reports as
a broadcast news analyst during the Trump election season and
transition period. Both African American men ever to work for

(12:10):
the production team were fired within the same month July
two thousand seventeen. I believe that certain actions, such as
underpaying me, were taken against me because I am a
black individual. I was repeatedly mocked for my skin tone,
and I was denied promotions to match the salary of
other coworkers who did less work in a similar job.
I have no trouble believing this story, although I am
certain that Alex Jones and Info Wars deny it. So again,

(12:32):
this is the report of an employee with the grievance.
She's not an objective reporter, but she paints a fascinating
picture of working at info Wars. Here's how she describes
the hostile work environment. I was intimidated by the constant
open carry and display of guns by co workers in
the workplace. My supervisors and pure colleagues often brandished guns
to scare away crazed fans, which made me feel uncomfortable

(12:55):
and unsafe at work every day. So apparently people regularly
show up to info Wars and have to be waved
off by gun wielding Info Wars employees. That's insane. Yeah, yeah,
it really paints a vivid picture of the working environment there.
She claims that she and other employees were ordered to
work longer weekday and weekend hours without pay. She claims

(13:17):
they were repeatedly called motherfucker's by Alex's cousin Buckley Hammond.
She says that she was once called a coon. She
recalls having to stop a colleague from calling black people
colored on the air, and she recalls a colleague showing
her a pair of swastika covered shoes that he received
as a gift from a fan. So it certainly seems
like a lot of racism going on in the Info

(13:38):
Wars office. Jesus Christ, and I guess the m O then,
would at that point be for Alex Jones to say,
I don't tolerate that, and I'm not aware of it, right, Yeah,
he would deny any sort of awareness of of anything
like that. And he does deny any sort of awareness
of that, but the complaint is still there. So Ashley
tells the story of an ugly interaction she had when

(13:59):
she was ordered to question people outside of a pro
Hillary rally in two thousand sixteen. My cameraman, Josh Owens,
who had worked in full Wars for years compared to
my less than three month tenure, consistently pressured me to
engage with the Hillary Clinton supporters as a black Trump promoter.
I was subsequently subject to multiple people hurling insults and
racial slurs at me, including Uncle Tom by one of

(14:19):
the gay, white male attendees. Another Clinton supporter, a white
lesbian woman, told me that she knew more about black
issues than I did because she is married to a
black woman who was also present. I went back to
the Info Wars office in tears, incredulous at how I
was being racially attacked because of my support for a
political candidate, and Alex Jones, taking advantage of my fragility
in that moment, forced me to share what had happened

(14:40):
to me on the air for YouTube and other social
media That same night feigning his own tears of empathy. So, wow,
that's pretty gross. I will say there's some reasons to
be a little bit suspicious of this lady, Like she
claims that this video she feels like damaged her ability
to be hired as a journalist in the future. And
I gotta say, lady, working for info worce damaged your

(15:02):
ability to be hired as a journalist in the future.
That is not the thing you want on your resume
if you're shooting for a job with The New York Times. Um. Yeah,
but I don't have any trouble believing that it's a
hostile work environment. Ashley goes on to claim that during
this obviously traumatic and pretty fucked up time, Alex Jones
copped to feel quote after the broadcast, I was with

(15:24):
Alex Jones, Rob do and several other members in Rob
Dow's office. I was talking about how I didn't agree
with the white woman who had said that she knows
about the black community better than I do because she
has a black wife. Alex Jones was still pretending to
feel sympathy for my plight as a black female Trump supporter,
and he put his arm around my shoulder to initiate
a side hug after he pulled me to his side,
Instead of removing his arm from my shoulder, he allowed

(15:46):
his arm to slide down my back and he grabbed
my butt with his right hand. Simultaneously, he was commenting
to those in the room who wouldn't want to have
a black wife to response to my comment. I felt
embarrassed and nervous, but I knew that he had specific
He touched my behind at that moment as a sly
come on that other people may not notice. It was
extremely ironic because it was the lesbian, white woman with

(16:07):
the black wife who had mentioned earlier that night on
camera how Alex Jones is a womanizer who loves gray goose.
I didn't know then that later on that same night,
he would be drunk enough to feel confident about fondling
his female staffers parentheses. Most of the staff was drinking
alcohol that night in the office, as was the usual
on late nights. Alex Jones was in possession of his
trademark mugs and paper cups, which the staffer is often

(16:29):
alleged contained alcohol infused beverages. So Alex Jones, well, what Fuckory,
that's crazy? Yeah, well so So the the idea then,
is that the guys I guess, trying to act as
though he is a champion, and maybe it sounds like

(16:50):
he's trying to diffuse the situation with the wife joke.
But surely there's some kind of HR thing there or No.
I have a lot of trouble believing that info Wars
has a particularly dedicated HR team. Um, I'm just gonna
guess that's not one of the things they do really well.

(17:11):
My read on that is that he was sort of
making that joke while he was groping her, almost as
like a distraction. But I don't I don't know. I
wasn't there. That seems to be what she's saying. Yeah,
I'm fascinated by the picture. This also paints at the
office because now we know everyone is always armed at
info Wars. People regularly wave guns around and whenever they

(17:32):
work late nights, which is often, they're drunk. So it's
a compound near the woods in Austin filled with drunken,
armed people ranting about conspiracies and I can't believe I
hate them, And it sounds like a terrible place because drunken,
heavily armed commune in the Woods. Sounds like it could
be a lot of fun if it wasn't Alex Chimes.
It sounds like there's also some potential for these people

(17:54):
waving their dicks around, so, oh my god, that has
to be right. Yeah, yeah, oh no, it seems like
rife for misogyny and and ask grabbery, even just waving
their dicks around at each other literally just for fun. Yeah. Yeah,
I do have trouble imagining someone working for Alex for
a long time and not seeing his dick like I mean,

(18:16):
first of all, we don't see below the belt for
most of these shirtless VIDs. I conjecture that it's possible
that he's full nude, especially in that Woods video. I mean,
it's anything in that Woods video. That guy hates clothes,
just unless they're gloves. Wandering around naked except for a
pair of gloves in the winter. Ah. That does a

(18:39):
nice job of scrubbing the sexual harassment complaint out of
my memory. Yeah, so what happens to her, Well, we'll
get into that right now. It seems to be an
appropriate time to sell some products and services, So I
got to move that product. Gotta move the products and
those services, So we will talk more about Ashley's complaint

(19:01):
and then the litany of other lawsuits that Alex is
dealing with right now. But first consumerism. We are back.
We were just talking about some potential names for Alex
Jones products that we we think might might sell really well.

(19:23):
Like we know he does DNA force and iodine shield. Um,
I don't know, Vitamin B twelve assault and battery that's nice.
And trespass yeah, yeah, potassium genocide that's the mic drop. Yeah,
I think we just discovered my new favorite improv game

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as like a warm up. So we were just talking
about Ashley Lynn Beckford's pretty detailed complaint about sexual harassment
and rampant racism at the infoler's office. She also alleges
that the term quote black bitch was repeatedly used both
by info Wars writers and articles, and if you google
info Wars and those words, you will find a number

(20:07):
of articles where that term comes up, usually referring to
Black Lives Matter activists, but she says that it was
also used repeatedly in the office and used around her,
specifically people trying to get a rise out of her
and whatnot. Just to clarify, I'm sorry to interrupt so
this term was used by actual paid writers and staff,

(20:30):
not by just people dropping not on the forum. Yeah,
a number of paid writers and staff. There are a
number of articles. She lists them in the complaint where
the term fat black bitch was used in info Wars articles.
Holy smokes. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty bad. She reported her
coworkers for using this term in the office, but nothing
was done. She says that guns were brandished on a
daily basis. When she complained, her supervisor told her it

(20:52):
was part of the company culture and advised her to
quote keep her head down, which is good advice when
a bunch of drunken men are waving guns around. Yeah,
keep read. Do maybe buy some of that Alex Jones
body armor. She he was told not to complain about
things that made her uncomfortable, and Alex Jones, of course
continued to hit on her. Here's another story of that quote.

(21:13):
Alex Jones came to my desk on one occasion to
find out what I like to do for fun outside
of work. It's my opinion that it was his intention
to see if he could groom me for sexual exploitation,
because he also mentioned that I quote had a good
body that looked like I worked out a lot. I
was concerned that these unwanted sexual advances would eventually result
in a request for sexual favors in exchange for promotions

(21:34):
In the office, it was rumored that he may have
had inappropriate relationships with other female production staff employees. In addition,
Alex Jones himself has alluded to the fact that he
loves to grab women's backsides and videos that he has
made and uploaded to YouTube. Alex often spent time shirtless
and endlessly leering with or without a shirt at female
guests and employees, while creating a disgusting, hostile environment that

(21:56):
openly encourages his staff to stare at and make inappropriate
comments towards women. I definitely believe that he spent a
lot of time shirtless in the office. I have no
trouble whatsoever believing that Alex Jaron's was regularly shirtless, shirtless
and leering. The Alex Jones story shirtless and leering and
probably carrying a gun. Alex Jones the complaint is a

(22:19):
pretty remarkable document. Again, I can't claim to know how
accurate it all is, but she does claim on this
official legal document that she has audio tapes of much
of the harassment. Former info Wars video editor Rob Jacobson,
who is Jewish and that's will be relevant in a minute,
claims that he was discriminated against during his thirteen years
working with Alex Jones. He says he was called the

(22:39):
studios quote resident jew quote, the Jewish individual, and Jacobson,
which I don't know why that's an anti Jewish thing,
but anyway, you get the picture. A lot of anti
Semitism at the Info Wars office. Rob says this about
Alex Jones, quote my employer also inserted my face onto
a photo of a Hasidic Jewish man and circulated that

(23:01):
picture around the office. So holy ship. The idea that
he's coding the term globalists and uses it to mean
Jewish people seems pretty plausible when he really really does.
The least surprising thing in the world would be that
Alex Jones believes in a Jewish conspiracy. Yeah, that would

(23:21):
not shock me at all, although I would actually be
a little bit shocked. I go back and forth on
this because part of me thinks he has never at
least never that I've come up with. I've never run
into him in a video making a very clear direct
sort of reference to anti Semitism or a Jewish conspiracy,
and part of me note wonders, does Alex Jones have

(23:42):
the discipline if he really believes in this conspiracy two
hide it that much? Maybe he like is anti Semitic
enough to find some jokes about it funny, but really
doesn't believe in a conspiracy, because if he did, I
feel like it might have leaked out more. I don't know.
I go back and forth and saying I don't think
he's disciplined enough to keep it under wraps. He would just, like,

(24:03):
you know, just poop out of his mouth and come
out with some fucking like anti Semitic garbage. I think
that if Alex Jones has believed this whole time in
a giant Jewish global conspiracy, the most impressive thing about
him is that he's been so disciplined enough to never
be direct about it that that would almost be kind
of impressive to me. Does he use uh the other

(24:26):
dog whistle words like does he say Zionists and stuff
like that. I haven't run into that he's more pro
Israel now that Trump's because he's he's become a lot
more conservative, especially since Trump got into the White House.
He used to be very critical of Israel, but it
was always critical of Israeli foreign policy. And of course,
obviously you don't have to be anti Semitic to have
criticisms of Israel Um. And when I've listened to those videos,

(24:48):
I have not run into anything where it sounds like
he's an anti Semitic crank um. Other than that, it
certainly seems like you could replace globalists with Jewish people
in a rant and you would have a Nazi rand.
But I don't know if that's Alex's intent or not.
I really go back and forth on this, because if
it is, he's hiding it. Well. Yeah, So here's another

(25:08):
thing that could be possible. If the profile that we
are painting of this dude is accurate to a high
enough degree, then it's completely possible that he would be
able to have a disciplined approach due to the bottom line,
Because what we're really asking about here is the nature
of belief. How much does he believe his own bullshit?

(25:31):
And it may well be that he just performs the
belief when he feels like it will help him in
a situation. So maybe behind closed doors with employees, he's
not quite straight out saying Jews, but he says you
know them and like nods a little bit so you
can hear the italics when he speaks. He also does

(25:53):
hilarious photoshop jobs, you know, with Jewish employees. I mean,
there's there's no question I have no I'm believing that whatsoever.
But no, I think to your point, he probably does
a better job of like holding that character when it
suits him. But I do feel like in this part
of the story, we're starting to see that unravel a
little bit, and I think that's interesting and I want
to I want to see more of that. Yeah, and

(26:13):
that is definitely the story of post Alex Jones, is
him unraveling and the things that he's clearly kept in
check and hidden to a degree over the years starting
to fall apart. So, yeah, this is actually the point
where we get to the piece to resistance of this episode,
Alex Jones's custody hearing. Oh here would go wasting for
this one, right. Yeah, And now, I never thought I

(26:35):
would cover a custody hearing in in one of my episodes.
I'm a little bit even was hesitant to talk about
this stuff just because everybody has a private life custody
hearings are always ugly, but after everything I read about
what happened in this hearing, you really can't get the
whole story of Alex Jones without talking about this custody hearing.
It is a critical moment in the study of jones oology.

(26:57):
So we're going to talk about this custody be hearing.
In two thousand seven, Kelly Rebecca Nichols married Alex Jones.
So they got together when he was starting to be prominent,
but before he was super rich. You know, that's like
the year after he started the Info Wars store, but
before he was starting in full War's life, which is
when he really started to make money. So they split
up in two thousand thirteen and divorced in two thousand fifteen,

(27:20):
and they've been fighting over custody of their three children
ever since. They had a big courtroom hearing in April
of last year. Charlie Warzle of BuzzFeed was there. Here's
how he opened his article about the fateful day that
that started. Quote. Alex Jones's cross examination in his ten
day custody trial began today with an unusual question. You
haven't had any chili this morning? Have you, Mr Jones,

(27:41):
Is that a serious question? Jones shot back, Now, that
may seem weird to you, but that was a reference
to something that had happened during Alex's deposition. In March
of two thousand eighteen, Alex Jones, unofficial adviser to the President,
self declared revolutionary, millionaire and forty three year old man,
claimed that he couldn't remember the names of his children's
teachers because he's eaten an enormous bowl of chili the

(28:02):
night before. That was the argument of courtroom for why
he couldn't remember the teachers of his children is he
he was gassy? You know it? Did that does things
to your Brainia. He was asked by the judge in
a court of law if chili impacted his memory, and
Alex Jones replied, big old bowl of chili, Sure does. Yeah,
which when I read the transcript, I can hear it

(28:25):
in his voice. Really SAPs your memories the globalists in
the chili It off comes the shirt. Yeah, well we're
about to talk about that. Yeah. Although I will say
one of the craziest things is that after fifty or
six accumulative hours spent in Alex jones land, I don't

(28:46):
know that he's lying about chili impacting his memory. He
might be telling like that may just be the way
Alex Jones works, as he ate so much chili and
he forgot the names of his children's teachers, and then
it was like, fucking like elk chili here, you know
something super gamy. I think it if it was elk chili,
it was an elk that he wrestled to the ground

(29:06):
while hunting, naked in the woods and ripped its heart
out and ate it like racky style. I mean, if
I were wandering around in the woods of central Texas
and I saw a naked Alex Jones run past me,
chasing after a deer, I don't think I'd be surprised,
and he'd be like, Okay, this is a piece of
a puzzle, thank you. So it seems like over the

(29:30):
course of this custody hearing, Alex and his wife have
spent a combined at least four to five million dollars
on legal fees, maybe more like ten million. His ex
wife also already gets something like five dollars a year
from him, So I don't believe that money is the
thing at states in this custody hearing. It really does
seem that his wife is legitimately worried for the kids
who Alex had primary custody of during the you know,

(29:52):
the time when this custody hearing started. Um, he got
to pick where they lived full time, and she spent
two and a half million dollars to try to get
them out of his house, which I think is a
sign of real concern on her part. She argued that
Alex is an unstable monster trying to turn their children
against her and inculcate them into being the heirs to
his conspiracy empire. She claims also that Alex has been

(30:12):
diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder. Yeah, that's not a long walk.
It's really not that surprising. I did learn that fact
when I stumbled upon his wife's website. Do you want
to guess what his wife's website is? Oh my gosh,
is it a pun on info wars? It sure is, buddy,

(30:33):
custody wars dot com. How is that not already taken?
It's amazing genius. Yeah, um, so there are a ton
of articles on custody wars dot com. I try not
to use it as a major source for this episode,
just because she has a very clear bias being you know,
his ex wife finding him in a case. And I
wanted to try to get as unbiased to sources as

(30:55):
I could for the life of Alex Jones. But I
had to look around it a little bit, and I
had to click on an icle titled why did Kelly
Moore mary Alex Jones? Because my god, I wanted to know.
I was expecting a wild and salacious rant when I
clicked on the article, and I was expecting her to
be essentially the female version of Alex Jones, just you know,

(31:16):
focused on hating Alex Jones rather than on hating the globalists.
That's not what I found. Uh, it was a very
reasonable article. She calls him a narcissist in it, but
she also spends most of the article breaking down in
a very rational way what narcissistic personality disorder is and
how it's easy for someone to trap you without you

(31:37):
really realizing at first about it. Actually, she doesn't seem
crazy at all. Having read some of her website, I'm
going to read a quote from that article. Sadly, Alex
has been professionally diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder and Alex,
like most narcissists, is good at pulling wool over people's eyes.
Narcissists use a variety of verbal and emotional abuse in
their relationships, including gas lighting and manipulation. Their abuses constant,

(32:01):
and it wears you down to the point that you
question things you think you know to be true and
don't know which way is up. So it's like this,
this checks out because this is how he treats his
audience exactly. I was expecting, like creating a website custody
wars dot com. She was married Alex Jones. First I
was I was waiting for her to be a crazy person.
She seems really reasonable. You can watch interviews with her

(32:22):
that she's done for other journalists, and she's definitely media trained.
She's very media savvy. She clearly has memorized a lot
of different sort of speeches to go on because she
but but she seems genuinely concerned for him and for
their kids, and she definitely seems like the same person
in the relationship. I'll say, how long were they married?
Like seven years? They split up in two thousand and thirteen,

(32:43):
married in two thousand seven, but divorced in Yeah, so
he was he was still he was already batshitt Alex
Jones by this point though, right was right around the
pivot point. You know, she got with him right before
the Obama election, which is really sort of oh wow,
imagine learning that after you're married. Watching that transformation, I

(33:05):
just hear the Curb your Enthusiasm music playing, you know. Well,
but it was almost a little bit like the journey
we've had in this podcast, because you remember when I
played the first thing from him in the late nineties,
you were like, he's he's fun. I kind of want
to like see more of this guy. I want to, like,
you know, I'm just I'm just worn down, dude. I mean,
if you see me right now, I'm just like the
skin is hanging off my face right now. I'm so
beat down by this whole this guy. Yeah, I wanna

(33:28):
want to write a letter to him, a strongly worded letter. Well, yeah,
we're all I like that, we're all going on the
Kelly Jones journey right now. Like we can empathize with
her a little bit because we started out at like,
Alex Jones, this guy is fun. I'd like to have
him at a party to like, oh my god. Yeah, anyway,

(33:50):
Kelly alleges that Alex Jones has been surveilling her since
the divorce, and ironically enough, leaving cameras on her property
in order to spy on her. She's found been documented
at least one of these cameras. Now, Alex has a
bodyguard who is a former Blackwater mercenary. Kelly alleges that
Alex has had this mercenary essentially tracking her. This guy

(34:10):
shows up with Alex in court. He's always whenever Alex
is in public, there's this big bearded looking, fucking mercenary
looking guy like he's got those I don't know, if
you've spent a lot of time around really scary fucking people.
He's got scary fucking person eyes. Um, he's got that.
I've destroyed people looking his eyes. Ye Ye, he's a

(34:33):
scary looking guy. And uh, I don't have any trouble
believing that Alex has used him to intimidate his ex wife.
That doesn't not a lot of a stretch, although again
this is all unconfirmed. Now, Alex claims that his ex
wife is unstable and emotionally unwell. H He has brought
some therapists into court who have described her that way. Uh,
and you know, maybe she maybe she is, maybe she's

(34:53):
got some stuff loose. I don't know the woman. She
alleges that he bribed those therapists and I can't know
what happen. And his ex wife says that there's a
lot of corruption in the court system in Austin. I
don't know. Um, it may just be that she's paranoid
after being married to Alex Jones for years and years,
which is entirely possible. And that's a specific genre of

(35:15):
gas lighting that narcissists use, where they will accuse people
of having the issues or behaviors that they themselves exhibit, right, Yeah,
to the point where it can make that person feel
is if they do have those sort of problems, Which
is part of why people stay with narcissistic abusers, is
that they can convince you that like you're the bad
one and that you're the one doing fucked up stuff

(35:37):
not only that, and only I can help you. Yeah,
I mean it's again, it's the same thing he does
to his followers. It's bonkers to me the parallels here,
only not at all. It makes absolute sense. Yeah he
is well, no, he's not even consistent, but he's consistent
in the tactics he uses, for sure. So Alex bought
the best Texas lawyers that Texas money can buy. One

(35:57):
of his attorneys for this custody battle was a former
Texas State Supreme Court justice. Another came from an old
Texas law family, so old that there are streets in
Austin around the courthouse named after this guy's family. So
he spent the big money on this ship. But even
these men, these top dollar lawyers, were not able to
restrain Alex Jones. Charlie Warzl from BuzzFeed, who watched the

(36:20):
whole ship show, makes it sound like a pretty fun
custody hearing quote. His frustration with the opposing legal team
was theatrical and palpable. When irritated, which was often, he'd
narrow his eyes into a piercing squint and sometimes point menacingly.
Eventually he was ordered to switch chairs to be out
of the attorney's eyeline. The judge admonished him at least
a dozen times and out of the courtroom. Jones ignored

(36:43):
a court gag order posting YouTube videos about the media's
coverage of the case, even when he's spending millions of
dollars on lawyers, he can't turn it off. It's remarkable.
So when we come back, we're going to talk about
how shirtlessness played a role in the Alex Jones custody hearing,
because you better bet shirtlessness played a role in his

(37:05):
court battles. Because if there's one thing that we know
for sure about Alex Jones, it's that the only thing
he hates more than globalists is his own shirt. So
all that and more after we sell you some products
and uh services, and we're back and we're talking about

(37:28):
Alex Jones and his epic court battle with his ex
wife Kelly. So yeah. At the start of the testimony,
Jones's lawyers claimed that he was a performance artist and
compared him to John Stewart. This was because a major
chunk of his wife's case rested on the unhinged and
often threatening content of his videos. On the second day
of the trial, Jones in the entire courtroom watched a

(37:49):
video of him wearing only his underwear selling male vitality supplements. Yeah,
it's a pretty special video. They also played a video
from two thousand sixteen with a title Alex Jones takes
off his clothes for the FBI and that's the title
Alex Jones gave the video. This video includes several minutes
of Alex Jones ranting about you and carbon taxes and

(38:11):
Amazon end user license agreements. Then he talks about how
your webcam is watching you, which sure maybe probably sometimes.
Alex rants about biometrics and the increasing dehumanization of modernity
and claims, quote, once they've got you cashless, they've got everything,
and they're going to take your humanity down to the
bone and blow it away. Then ten minutes and forty

(38:32):
seconds into this shirtless video Alex Jones made for the FBI,
he starts to strip and we're gonna play that clip here.
I'm just gonna I'm just going to take my shirt off. Hey,
you will notice I've lost even more way, but a
slow process and forwards life dot Com. We've got the
great DNA force back in stop. We've got the great

(38:54):
supermail about Cally back in stop. I'll tell you the
same amount of exercises I ever did, but taking the
great things that Mother Nature has created and concentrating on
much super mevitality has really helped me louse. As you
can see right here now Again, I was not this
tonight I have lost a lot of wight if you

(39:15):
compare this to past video. So while we're here with
government looking on our surf history, looking at what emails
we send, Google reading your emails, suicide, sat factories, murdering people, death,
forced abortion, baby parts being sold. Oh, but I'm so dehumanized.
I'm in my underwear. Isn't it pathetic? I just have

(39:38):
no doubt that he's on stimulants, right, he has to be.
I mean he's yeah, he's like you know, poppin Benny's
at the very least, is something good. Lord. I think
there's a logic to it where he's narcissistic enough to
be thinking, better take my shirt off because sex cells.
You know, he might think people are attracted to it.

(39:59):
And I I I love that in this video that
he has made for the FBI, he's selling supplement stuff.
That's such commitment. I just think we're seeing a man
in full tail spin. He's still incorporating some of his
old tricks as he breaks down in the public eye.

(40:20):
Like he's like he's so married to this idea of
like cell cell cell, and like that's the only reason
that any of the stuff exists, because he doesn't really
believe any of it. I don't know that he just
can't not do it. But yet he's having a breakdown
on YouTube and still manages to throw to the fucking
ad he needs help. You know, maybe it's like a
muscle memory at this point. You know, it's reflexive. And
I really do wonder because I I've heard a lot

(40:42):
of allegations that he's an alcoholic. He will, you will
run into people around him. He definitely drinks, and sometimes
because he's been drunk on his show and on videos
he's posted a number of times. So it's possible that
he's a problem drinker. It's possibly as another drug problem.
And if that's the case, I do wonder how much
of his degeneration is just the fact that he's been
fucking taking a shipload of meth or whatever. I don't

(41:04):
know what, But like you, you watch some of these
videos and it's like, if he's sober during this, which
he does claim to be sober in that shirtless wandering
around in the winter video, if he's sober, there's something
profound going on in him. I mean, if there was
a video of me behaving this way on the internet,
like I would not want that out in the world.

(41:27):
Oh good God, no, thank you, I appreciate it. Yeah.
So in the courtroom, because they played that video for
the court, um, it was one of the few videos
the judge allowed to be played. And I should note
that after the point at which we stopped, he continues
standing around in his underwear and ranting for five more minutes.

(41:47):
Bobby Newman, a lawyer for Kelly Jones, stated to the
court afterwards, he just takes his clothes off, and I'm
I'm gonna guess that was the way that he expressed
that I only have it type, but I'm gonna guess
it's he just stay his clothes off. That's that's Alex Jones.
That's what he did. I just picture the people like
staying up late into the night agonizing about how to

(42:09):
justify this, or like going through various pieces of jurisprudence
and then just saying, you know what, we're gonna have
to lose this battle if we want to win this war. So,
psychologist Alyssa Sherry, who was the case manager for the
Jones divorce, confirmed in court that Alex Jones has been
diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder. So this is not an allegation, uh.

(42:32):
She says that he has sought help for it. She
also says that she has seen Alex remove his shirt
in front of his children during a therapy session. She
quote didn't remember the context in which he stripped, but
noted that it was quote a rare thing to happen
in a therapy session, which would I would say, So
that's that's that's reasonable thing to say. Maybe he's going

(42:54):
crazy because we keep asking him to wear clothes, like,
maybe there's some sort of he's he's trying to let
the sanity into his pores and that's why he keeps
stripping when the crazy hits hardest. Oh god, yeah, maybe maybe,
maybe so. Jones's ex wife's lawyers accused him of being

(43:16):
as crazy off camera as he is on camera. They
also accused him of trying to turn his children against
their mother and alleged that he quote intends to unmesh
the children in his business. Jones in return, testified that
his fourteen year old son has quote done some great
reports for us. So we're gonna listen to one of
those reports that his child has done. It's titled Alex
Jones's Son Challenges David Hogg to a gun debate. So

(43:39):
clearly Alex wanted to attack the Parkland kids, in particularly
David Hogg, but knew that forty four year old, shirtless
Alex Jones ranting to go children would not play well,
so he had his own teenager do a video. We're
going to play a small selection from that because it
is pretty embarrassing. It is admitted they want to distrom
the American people, just as they have done with so

(43:59):
many rough regimes in the past. Hitler, stalin Mouth, North Korea.
Do you think those places Do you think those corrupt
leaders allowed their citizens to have guns? Do you think
that the Jews were able to protect themselves when Hitler
put them in concentration camps? No, they were disarmed and
that's why they were enslaved. Really, first of all, he's
doing the Alex Jones voice already. Yeah, yeah, And he

(44:22):
looks and he's got like he's got this just staring
into the void look on his face. This like indoctrinated
look at his face. It looks like very chilling looking
a fundamentalist kid who has been stuck at camp for
too long, you know what I mean, Like there's a
there's a parenting quality. Yeah, and I have no reason
to question his wife when she's worries for her son,

(44:44):
because I'm worried for that kid. A fourteen year old
should not be looking like that, or talking like that,
or be put on a camera in front of millions
of people saying those things. He's fourteen. It's just gross.
It's really really gross and scary. So you might have
expected Alex Jones to be on his best behavior during
the epic court battle over his children's custody. You know,

(45:05):
if someone's legal case rest entirely on the claim that
they're just an actor playing a crazy guy and not
really crazy themselves, maybe that person shouldn't do crazy, unhinged
things in the middle of their court case. That would
make sense, right, like good logic, solid strategy. Right. Alex
Jones took a different tact. Midway through the trial. He
published a video on Info Wars Live titled Alex Jones

(45:27):
responds to Sandy Hook Vampire. Sadly, this video appears to
have been scrubbed from the Internet, so I'm going to
read Rolling Stones summary of what it included. Instead of
ranting about unanswered questions around the mass shooting, he showed
scenes from the nineteen seventy three American science fiction movies
Soilent Green, and talked about his teenage sex life. So

(45:49):
here we go. Yeah, oh wow, Yeah, So I have
a question. They said that he might be a problem
drinker and spend a lot of time on camera or
in public inebriated. Was there anything Did you see anything
about him possibly being drunk or inebriated during the trial
or during the hearing. Rather, I did not run into

(46:11):
any evidence of that. I think it's entirely possible, but
I don't know. Certainly, I haven't read read anyone alleging
that he was drunk during the trial. They didn't play
a video during the trial of a drunk Alex Jones
talking about his desire to piss on a tree. And
I'll defend him on that because I've spent there. Absolutely,

(46:34):
I've spent a lot of my life drunk and paying
on trees. And it's a noble, noble way to spend
your time. Yeah, just don't get caught. Don't get caught,
or do it in the woods where it's fine to
pay on everything. That's the joy of the woods, which
is why I think Alex is drawn to the woods. Yeah,
at least crazy thing about him. Okay. So at one
point during the trial, Kelly Jones took the stand and

(46:55):
laid out her accusations against her ex husband. She claimed
that Alex was a quote angry, volatile, hateful person who
regularly went on racist, homophobic, and anti women rants. She
also said that their children had begun to pair it
his beliefs. She said that she heard her fourteen year
old son say I hate women, and their twelve year
old daughters say women shouldn't be judges. Kelly warned presumably

(47:18):
the entire world that quote they are morphing into him. Yes,
but that that is so evident, and that click you played,
I mean, it's just it looks like a little mini
Alex Jones. It's he's trained a second one, which means that,
like our fucking grandkids, will probably be dealing with a
crazy person last named Joan Shirtless on Info Wars screaming

(47:38):
about the globalists, or maybe not, depending on how the
as this podcast, I will see um. But yeah, that
scares the hell out of me. The idea that this
man is allowed to influence the lives of children is horrifying.
It's just more apparent though with his own children, because
he's able to legally exert you know, physical influence over there.
But I think this leads to a larger quat gien

(48:00):
which is difficult to answer. How many other children are
being influenced? And it's not as if it's difficult for
a twelve year old to find him on YouTube? No,
And in fact, when I was a young teenage, like fifteen,
fourteen or fifteen, I ran into Alex Jones stuff on
the Internet all the time and thought it was like
I thought it was funny, but I watched a bunch

(48:21):
of his stuff as a kid, um, and who knows.
I mean, I do think that the globalists are poisoning
our water and that the only way to get rid
of the toxins that they put into our water is
to buy the new Bastard's pod. I had nine shield
protection potion, which again I will mail you if you
pay pal Me forty three dollars it'll it'll come in

(48:43):
a brown envelope. That's just just a pile of pills,
you know what I am sold. Yes, PayPal Me money
and I will mail you pills. And okay, let's get
back to Alex Jones Jones's ex wife, Kelly, complained that
the public and controversial nature of her husband's work put
she in her children in danger. She brought up a
tweeted death threat Alex received in April of two thousand seventeen,

(49:05):
which had threatened death to Alex, his children, and Info
Wars staff. So yeah. She basically claimed that because he's
so prominent and so controversial in involving their children, that
he's putting them in danger, which again seems fair. Uh.
In the end, the court seems to have sided with her.
The couple remained joint managing conservators, so neither of them
has full custody, but his wife gained the ability to

(49:28):
designate the primary residence of the children, which is a
big win and i this will continue to be relitigated.
I'm sure they will be back in court numerous times
before their kids are eighteen. So the last year and
a half or so of Alex's life has, as you
probably guess by now, involved a lot of courtroom time.
Alex was actually sued in the middle of his custody
hearing by Chobani Yogurt of all people, because on April tenth,

(49:51):
while in the middle of his trial, Alex published a
video titled Idaho Yogurt Maker Caught Importing Migrant Rapists. The
video itself is pretty boring. It starts two of Jones's
lackeys rather than Alex himself. The video basically connects Chobani
to a rape committed by some refugees and then spirals
into an incoherent rant. Jones doesn't show up until the
end when he comes in to deliver a special report which,

(50:14):
rather than being about refugees, is about iodine, which he sells.
So we're gonna listen to a little bit of that.
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consult your physician because have you been deficient in it
or have other issues. It can maps dramatic effects. As

(50:36):
for me and most folks I talked to, it's been
a game changer in the positive column. But still consult
your physician because iodine is no joke, because a key
building block of the body, and if you haven't had
it for a long time and suddenly have it. Some
folks say they've experienced things like a detoxing effect and
things like that. You've got to have bottom. And so
this is what he appends to the end of a
video accusing Chobani of importing rapists to the United States.

(51:00):
Chobani sued him, and again they sued him while he
was in the middle of the custody hearing with his
wife his ex wife, Um, when you showed us this video.
One thing that really sticks out to me is that
from an editing perspective, it looks like a hastily arranged
voiceover with just clips playing like it flashed. The two
shots of him at the news desk, I guess at

(51:23):
the war's news desk, but he's it's clearly from an
earlier recording. So did he really just record a video
for iodine? Yeah? I think he recorded, because that's how
he does. It is like they're doing this other report
that's supposedly a news story about the dangerous refugees Chobani
is bringing into the United States, and then Alex makes
it look like he's delivering breaking news, but instead of

(51:44):
he's just trying to sell you iodine. Oh wow. Remarkable.
So after Chabanni sued Alex. He immediately put out another video,
laughing at the company for daring to come after him. Uh.
He claimed that he could back up all of the
claims that he had made about rapes and TV beings
bread by Chobani's refugee workers. But then in May he
settled out of court with Chabani, paying them an undisclosed

(52:06):
sum and releasing this sweet, sweet dose of schadenfreude. And
I'm overwhelmingly happy to present to all of you Alex
Jones apologizing to Chobani Yogurt on the infull Wars twitter
feed and YouTube channel regarding Shabani LLC that I now
understand to be wrong. The tweets and video have now
been retracted and will not be reposted on half of

(52:28):
the full Wars. I regret that we miss Church Rise,
Shabani It's employees, and the people of Twin Falls, Ottaho
the way we did well. Like that he's got he's
got a shirt on, he's got a shirt on, he's
reading copy. Clearly he I wonder how much money they
pulled out of his hide and how much money less

(52:52):
he had to pay as a result of apologizing publicly,
but it's very It was a very clearly legally man Yeah,
really a legal mandated apology just screaming. It sounds like
his legal team probably also negotiated the language of the apology.
That's why I had to be explicit. And I bet
he fought them for a while on whether or not
he was going to wear a shirt during that. But

(53:13):
oh yeah, He's like, look, I'll do it, but I
gotta be greased up. Yeah, I want to get real
greasy in my underwear. Can I strip while I apologize?
Can I sell iodine shield while I am apologizing? I
am shocked that there was no ad for Info Wars
Life in that apology to Chabani, you would expect, right, Okay, No,
you absolutely would. I especially don't make these sorts of

(53:35):
errors in my reporting. But I haven't been taking my
supplements and it's making me crazy. I've just been eaten chili.
On April seventeen, two thousand and eighteen, the families of
several children who died in the Sandy Hook attack, including
Lenny Postner and Veronica his ex wife, sued Alex Jones
for more than a million dollars. Now we've already talked

(53:56):
about in our last podcast, Veronica and Lenny. Another parent
last named Hesslin, was also part of this lawsuit because
Info Wars Alex Jones claimed that he was lying about
seeing a bullet hole in his child's head. Alex actually
did a whole special report where they like attempted to
prove that he couldn't have seen his child's dead body. Which, yeah,
so these people all joined together in a big old

(54:18):
lawsuit against Info Wars. The suit on behalf of the
Sandy Hook families came at the same time as another
defamation suit. Marcel Fontaine sued Alex Jones for one million
dollars because Alex had used his image on air and
claimed that he was the Parkland shooter. He didn't even
live in the state. I don't know if he'd ever
even been to Florida. So two defamation suits drop at

(54:39):
the same time, both for a million dollars, and in August,
six more Sandy Hook families joined the lawsuit against August.
I think there's nine families currently suing him for his
role in perpetuating that particular conspiracy theory and court lawyers
for the Sandy Hook families played an episode of Info
Wars where Alex Jones broadcast maps to the Posner home

(55:00):
using audible gasps from the jury. So Alex actually doxed
people like claimed that they had faked their child's murder,
and then told his viewers how to find their home.
Alex's lawyer argued that this did not count as defamation.
Quote what does it count as well? You're sorry, Alex's lawyer.
I'm on the edge of my seat here, man. Maybe

(55:21):
it's fringe speech, maybe it's dangerous speech, but it's not defamation.
That is rhetoric hyperbole at its core. O. Come then,
I do imagine that as like the country lawyer. Maybe
it's fringe speech, maybe it's dangerous speech, but defamation declare

(55:43):
there is rhetorical hyperbole at its core, rhetorical hyperbole. Here's
a video of Alex Jones talking about the Sandy Hook parents.
Y'all tell me if you think this seems like defamation.
Billy off and watched him go around the corner and
he never came back, all because of the guns. Won't
you just turn your guns in from my son? Why

(56:06):
did you do it to him? Gun? Own this listen,
I didn't kill your kids. The truth is they've had
national polls were upwards of half of Americans don't believe
Sandy Hook because they don't believe a word the mainstream
media says, we've sent reporters up there, man, and that
place is like children in the corner or something. I mean,

(56:26):
it is freaking weird. And then the weird videos of
reported parents of kids laughing, and all of a sudden
they do the high preventilating to cry, to go on TV.
All I know is something's going on, and you don't
like us looking at it. You don't like us questioning
you the father, He's to clarified that n b C.
He's to clarified, clarify because the corner said none of

(56:51):
the parents were allowed to touch the kids or see
the kids, and maybe they meaning at the school. I'm
sure later maybe the parents saw their children. So um
Alex will claim and still claims that he never accused
the families of faking their children's deaths. You can see
where he has a legal leg to stand on there,
because he said study show upwards of half Americans don't

(57:13):
believe anything happened at San Diego because they don't believe
the mainstream media. But then he immediately goes into talking
about what we've sent reporters up there, and it seems
it's spooky. It seems like a ghost town. Like I
would say that that meets my personal threshold for defamation
of these families for for damn sure. Um. I don't
know what the law is gonna wind up saying, but
it seems pretty defamatory to me. So this is still

(57:35):
in motion. This is still being adjudicated. Yeah, this is
still in motion. It is still going on. Jones's lawyers
at one point asked the judge to throw out the
case and tried to sue Ronick and Lenny for a
hundred thousand dollars in court fees. Now, Alex did rescind
that attempt to get them to pay his court fees,
and he, in an interview with a journalist, was very
angry that the news has not reported more on the

(57:56):
fact that he decided not to countersue the families that
he defamed. His lawyer's request to have the case thrown
out was denied in August, So we're still waiting to
see where all of these cards are gonna fall. I
know of at least three defamation cases going on against
Alex Jones right now, though, so he is concurrently involved
in at least three defamation suits. It might be more
like five. Like a lot of people are suing him

(58:18):
right now. Um and whatever these cases wind up costing him,
if anything, you know, he might win, but that cost
will be in addition to the millions of dollars he's
spent on custody battles with his wife. I assume he's
spending millions of dollars in all of these lawsuits. I
don't know what he paid to Chibani, or if he
paid them, but I think it's fairly safe to say
that Alex Jones is hemorrhage in cash right now, as

(58:40):
is his Info Wars operation. Like he is. He's hired
top dollar lawyers, and he's involved this is I think
like something seven or eight different lawsuits this year, Like
that is enough to drain even a very rich man,
which Alex is. All of which makes this a very
bad time for him to suddenly get cut off from
every single major social media platform. Over the course of August,

(59:01):
he was banned by Facebook and YouTube, and the iTunes
app store, among other platforms. The bands caused an initial
surge in traffic to infull Wars as people flocked there
to see Jones's increasingly unhinged reactions to the banning. This
caused him to celebrate and say, quote, the more I
am persecuted, the stronger I get. It backfired. But that
doesn't seem to be true. Here's what The New York

(59:22):
Times wrote on September four, two thousand eighteen. In the
three weeks before the August six bands in full Wars
had an daily average of nearly one point four million
visits to its website and views of videos posted by
its main YouTube and Facebook pages. But quote, in the
three months afterward, its audience fell by roughly half to
about seven hundred and fifteen thousand site visits and video views,

(59:44):
according to the analysis. So it's possible that his traffic
is down by half or more than half right now. Um,
Because on September five, while lawmakers talked to Jack Dorsey,
the head of Twitter, Alex Jones showed up in Washington,
d C. His cunning plan end was to scream at everybody,
including Jack Dorsey, the man who had, by some accounts,

(01:00:04):
personally intervened to stop him from being banned by Twitter.
Alex yelled at a lot of people during that trip, though,
and one of those people was CNNs Oliver Darcy. Now,
Darcy had documented all of the ways Alex Jones and
info Wars had violated YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter's codes of conduct. Uh.
He was a big part of the fact that Alex
had been d platformed by everyone but Twitter. At this point,

(01:00:25):
info Wars calls Darcy quote the architect of d platform
and conservatives. Jones confronted Darcy during his DC tripped and
streamed the whole encounter on periscope, which is owned by Twitter.
Here is just a clip of that so you can
get an idea of what was going on here, the
decisions for the mess because you don't even respond, because

(01:00:46):
we're just scum. You have him with no viewers, no followers.
Everyone can't stand you, no matter you could shut everyone
down on earth. No one will like you. You understand
that he'll never have builties of relatiers, of fans and followers.
You'll never have people that love you. Do you have
any else you're like you? You don't. You are a
dishonorable liar who would never even dare have me on
your little tiny shows when you instilledor called me a virus.

(01:01:07):
You are a virus to America and freedom. You are authoritarianism.
Just look in those eyes. What I wanna? I really
want to throw some props Darcy's way, because there are
other videos you can find, even from DC of him
arguing with people on the street. A couple of women
confront him at one point and they get into a

(01:01:27):
screaming argument with him, and they do the wrong thing,
which is engaged with him. Because Alex's thing, whenever he's
in person, he's going to throw out as many different,
very specific accusations as possible because that's the way his
mind works. Because then you're going to lose. If you
try to address one thing, he's going to attack you
for not addressing the other things. If you try to
address everything, he's just gonna keep throwing more stuff at
you until you don't have a response, which makes it

(01:01:49):
look like you've lost. Darcy just doesn't say anything until
there's a break and when he and then he will
just say something like do you have anything else to say?
Alex always good to see you, Alex like he really
understands this guy and how to defying him. Um, And
it turns out that that rant against Darcy was well,
it's debatable. Some people will say that the fact that

(01:02:11):
he yelled at Jack Dorsey is why Dorsey pulled him
from Twitter. The official reason that Jones got pulled from
Twitter is because what he did to Oliver Darcy on
periscope was abusive and bullying and in violation of Twitter's
rules of conduct. So Alex Jones was banned from Twitter
the very next day. Uh. It is impossible to know
where the future will take Alex Jones and Info Wars,

(01:02:32):
but I do think it's important for posterity's sake that
we take a look at how he reacted to the
fact that he has now been thoroughly d platformed from
polite digital society. Here's a clip from his first post
ban episode. He starts the clip wearing a donkey mask,
which he rips off to reveal the reptilian mask underneath.
So he's wearing two masks at the start of this video. H.

(01:02:53):
That's just beautiful. H It's a long clip, but my god,
it's full of stars and we we just have to
play it. But no one's going to see that broadcast.
Alex Jones you today because it's been deleted, and you
see you've learned and you've learned very very well that
only the Internet matters, not UHF, not VHF, nothing, Only

(01:03:15):
our control matters. And so now you're being taught to submit.
So let me tell you about Operations six six Sixation
six six is a fake donkey head on the whole

(01:03:35):
Aloration freed, she Destroyal I'm just a donkey on the
sixth obviously banded four wars from twenty seven platforms, and

(01:03:57):
now September six we band you from Twitter, and on
October six, we will destroy your president and set fire
to every major US city and have our communist forces
launched our attack while Silicon Valley sits in their bunkers

(01:04:20):
in the middle of the Pacific Ocean in New Zealand.
Operation six six six the number of the Beast hell
and fire raining free. Soon the West Room fall. One
eight billion Islamis has trained in Satanism are ready to

(01:04:43):
invade the China system road span. The Third World will
collapse into Europe and America domination will be complete. I
was wrong. That's not the video where he rips off
his donkey masks to reveal an alien mask. That is
a different video where he wears a job. There's just

(01:05:06):
so many. I love this though, because first off, that's
quality entertainment. That is quality entertainment. He's nothing if not
a showman. That's that's damna. And the way he's moving
around and being so arch with his statements really reminds
me of um villains from old cartoons like Cobra Commander
or um. But there's a yeah exactly, Yeah, there is

(01:05:31):
a strong Cobra Commander vibe to Alex Jones in that
video that is like he has gone off of the
deep end and is digging his own swimming pool now,
like it's yeah, for sure. Something else. I love that
line one point three billion Islamist trained in Satanism are
on the border or something like that, because they were like,

(01:05:52):
we need as many as Lamis as as we can get,
but make sure they're trained in Satanism. Yeah. I don't
have asked this one, although that's almost woke for Alex
Jones because he is claiming that they have to be
trained in the Satanism, which you know, for Alex Jones
that's progressive. So maybe he's turned a corner. No, no, so,

(01:06:14):
do we have any idea what's going to happen to
this guy? No idea Um, it's still too soon after
the bands to know what kind of financial impact there's
going to really be for the fact that he's been
DP platformed, so over the next couple of months, I'm
sure a lot of people will be watching to see
what happens to his traffic, you know, what happens to
the spread of his ideas. I did watch his most
recent big broadcast, and he makes a big point of

(01:06:36):
like there's a video out right now. The Daily Wire
posted it first, but then Jones grabbed it of like
this rancher put up a camera on his land for
like two and a half years and he filmed people
crossing the border, and so like Alex has turned like
an army is crossing the boy. Yeah, but he he
makes polls to like put this on your Twitter page.
You know, we can't tweet this, but you can, is
what he says. And I suspect we're going to see

(01:06:58):
a lot of that as him being like I can't
put this on Facebook, but you can. Um, So yeah
to action. Yeah, He's going to keep trying, even if
he has to go back to being the guy, you know,
attacking Heraldo Rivera and screaming on a bullhorn. While someone
else broadcast. I don't think he's going to stop doing
what he's done his entire adult life at this point. So, yeah,

(01:07:21):
was that DC trip the same trip wherein he accosted
Marco Rubio, No, it was the same trip. He said
he had a busy day. So Alex Jones, that's it.
That's all I got for you, guys. What did you
have you learned? I'm exhausted, Robert, that was that was
a it was a wild ride you just took us on.

(01:07:41):
And that was the first of all. This is the
single most hours of podcasting I think either one of
us have done in a single day. Yeah, but um,
I gotta get a donkey mask. Yeah, we all need
donkey masks. I think that's fair. I feel that insane
right now that I would totally wear a donkey mask

(01:08:01):
for the rest of the night, just like you know,
just out around the town, but with a shirt on.
And would people ask what it's for, Just say operations
six City six six run cackling. Then you can rip
your shirt off and run cackling into the night and
have a nice night bath. I need one of those
Hulkyogan like Haraway shirts that's like made of like orth.

(01:08:24):
I'm surprised he doesn't have one of those. You'd think
he'd have a closet full of them by now. Man,
he's very he's very restrained when he's stripping for the FBI.
You know that is the most restrained stripping for the
FBI I've ever seen. For sure. I think he's trying
to make it a little erotic. Well, Robert, thank you
for breaking our brains and having us on your bonkers

(01:08:45):
three part series on Alex Jones. Well, yeah, thank you
for letting us do this. Man, Well, thank you both
for enduring this with me, and thank you listeners for
enduring this with us. Although you've taken these I hope
three days apart from each other, as opposed to all
at once, which is a lot of Alex Jones to take. Yeah,
I need, I need all the drinks. Yeah, Like now

(01:09:07):
I'm going to drink heavily and watch the opposite of
Alex Jones after this, which is Mr Mr Rogers. Maybe
Bob Ross perhaps, maybe like the Great British Baking Show,
just not Captain Kangaroo. That guy is a creepy. Although
if I IF I, IF I, IF I watch Bob
Ross in my current mind state. I'm sure I'm gonna

(01:09:29):
see gunmen behind the happy little trees, but too much.
Maybe maybe just go walk the streets of your neighborhood
for a while and trying to look at the stars
or something. I don't know, man, you know what, you
know what I think I'm gonna do. I'm gonna find
a couple of cameramen, I'm gonna strip naked, and I'm
gonna go bathe in the night. That does seem like

(01:09:49):
a good idea, you know, night bathing deserves a quiet night,
night bathing. Thank you for the r M reference. You're
very welcome. Yeah, and uh, thank you all for listening.
Uh no, Benjamin, you guys wanna wanna plug your plug
doubles before we uh, we'll do the we'll do the
quick and dirty version. God knows we need to. We've

(01:10:09):
got stuff they don't want you to know, conspiracy theories
with critical thinking. Uh, it's it's a it's a it's
it's a full package. You can turn back now, or
you can find every episode we've ever done on our website.
Stuff they don't want, you know, dot Com or Apple
Podcasts or Spotify. We also have a also have a
great show called Ridiculous History that Nolan I host that

(01:10:30):
covers all the strange, bizarre, unusual, and sometimes hilarious people,
places and events throughout the span of human civilization. It's
true and you can find that on all the places
too at Ridiculous History. And God, Robert, this has been
a blast, slash and utter nightmare. Um and I want
to thank you for putting me through this. I really
feel like what does not kill you makes you stronger.

(01:10:53):
This is I've never felt that more than I feel
right now. I thought you were going to say, what
doesn't kill you makes you bonkers. That's what I'm gonna
go with. And uh, I'd like to make an Alex Jones.
Maybe we should all make Alex Jones T shirt ideas
on our shows. It's a great idea. Yeah, yeah, so
send us your suggestions. Yeah. I think I'm just gonna
write Alex Jones was murdered and sharpie on a white

(01:11:15):
T shirt and walk around Hollywood Boulevard for a little while,
just see what what kind of reaction that gets? You know,
you know what I'm going to conjecture, not much of one.
What if I write Custody Wars dot Com on the back.
There you go. Now we're cooking. Now we're working, all right.
I'm Robert Evans. This has been Behind the Bastards. Uh.
You can find me on Twitter at I right okay.

(01:11:36):
You can find my fun book about Experimenting with Dangerous
Ancient drugs, A Brief History of Ice on Amazon. You
can find this website, all of our sources, all of
these terrible video clips on behind the Bastards dot com.
You can find this podcast on Twitter and Instagram at
at bastards pod. Uh. So, I hope you all have
enjoyed this little nightmare. And uh, by our T shirts

(01:12:00):
on t public. We don't have any Alex Jones shirts yet,
but I'm sure we'll cook something up, you know. Send
us a message on Twitter if you have a good
T shirt idea featuring America's craziest donkey headed shirtless man.
Bye for now. H