Part Two: Beau Brummell: The First Celebrity and Inventor of the Suit and Tie

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Also media, we are back and we're thinking about George
the fourth one of the I mean most of the
Kings of England sucked. Yeah, he definitely did as well
of all the Kings of England bottom ten percent. Are
we gonna say.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
He's not even that iconic because at least Henry the
a horrible person.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
But you know, oh yeah, Henry the eighth King, Yeah, yeah,
he was your eighth old man. He was a Henry,
Henry the eighth he is he is, as I remember
from the song. Yeah, I'm trying to think of who
was a good King of England.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I guess I guess technically, I think technically I mean kings. No,
because even Richard the Lionheart was was, you know, doing
crusades and those Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
He was literally doing a crusade.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, it was like, that's not great, dog.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
It might be your best I don't know, Queen Victorious,
Charles Tato Famine might be Charles. If Charles drops dead
having not done anything too terrible as king, I guess
he might. He might wind up being our.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Best five stars.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
A real model of behavior for fail sons around the world,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, and also proof you can always turn your your
girlfriend into your wife at any point. Yeah, never give up,
never surrender.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
You just gotta believe in yourself. You gotta believe in
yourself and the fact that you're rich and famous.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
And who knows who he would be if he had
gone to he didn't go.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, he didn't go. No, they would have taught him.
I don't know. I don't want to make fun too
much of his sausage fingers because I think it's a
serious medical issue. But he also refuses to take modern
medicine because he believes in wizards, So I guess it
is his fault. He probably had there's a single pill

(01:55):
that would fix all of his circulation problems, but he
just like takes strict now made from some sort of
fucking plant sap every day. God. I love it when
people have all of the money in the world to
be healthy aren't purely because they don't believe in medicine.
It's always a lot of fun, the Steve Jobs effect
we call it. Yeah, Yeah, all of your problems are

(02:16):
entirely self generated. Anyway, what a choice, princess. Are you
ready to get back to the story of Beau Brummel,
who we have just gotten up to age sixteen, right,
he is, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I'm ready, and Bo is not afraid.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Unlike bosbe not afraid, he at least is good at
putting on such an image of confidence and fearlessness that
dozens of people wrote about it, and their writing has
come down to us three hundred years later about how
this guy is like a Fonsie level of cool. Three
hundred years later, we have a whole library worth of

(02:50):
just people talking about, like, man, that guy was cool,
that guy was rad as shit.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
You know that guy fucks.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, he definitely fucks Henry Winkler level of fox. And
you guys think about Henry Winkler as we throw to ads,
we're back. He's had a great he's had a great career,
you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Great hair.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Still, yeah, take that. It's because it's easy to be,
you know, as a young man, he's quite handsome. It's
easy to seem cool briefly when you're like young and
really handsome. But he grew up into a man who
looks like and I mean this is no insult to him,
looks like your dad's accountant and is still really cool.
Like still, you kind of want to be Henry Winkler,

(03:36):
and that means he's always just had that kind of
deep vein of cool running through it. I appreciate that. Yeah,
somebody's going to point out that he killed someone in
the nineteen seventies and then then I'll have to feel.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Bad, But I don't think so. He was too busy
getting killed off as principles and horror movies to really.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Do any d He did do a lot of that,
didn't he. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just a little bit like
because there's that. I kept thinking that the man who
the fellow who died recently, the leading man who passed recently. Yeah,
we were just talking about it before we recorded. I
had mistakenly thought he was involved in the Natalie Wood thing,
and I just realized when he died, like, oh, I

(04:14):
was just like tarring this man with a horrible brush
for no reason, just because I'm bad at the keeping
track of celebrities.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, and it made me feel men did something wrong.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, it made me feel I've had a couple of
weird arguments, Like I had one about Billy Joel with
some lady in my mentions who was like, Okay, you
like him, but he's an abuser. He's like it was
an abusive husband, and I was like, I don't know
where you're getting that from. No one's ever accused him
of that, Like his exes seemed to speak really well
of him, and he spent the last thirty years primarily
raising money for like a Battered woman shelter. I actually

(04:46):
think he's kind of fine on this. But I think
it's you just half hear something and you mistakenly like
blame some random famous person for something they did not do.
I'm sure we've all done it at some point. It's
just too many names out there to keep track of, Like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Rumors circulate about dead people, and you're just kind of like,
well they like I remember, like not to defend her,
but I remember people saying like, oh yeah, married tutor
burn like over three hundred people, and the numbers like
two seventy five. It's like, that's still not great.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
That's not right.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I was writing more.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
That is like, if you think about it in murder terms,
thinking someone killed twenty five more people than they did
is a lot, although not a lot if they did
kill two hundred and seventy five people. So I don't know,
I don't know where you want to go on this.
You know. Yeah, we'll call that the Matthew Broderick conundrum. Anyway,
look at Matthew Broderick dark dark I know, I know,

(05:40):
it's dark history. Look this is this is the show
that we're on.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
My brother used to confuse Dennis Quaid and Harrison Ford,
and I feel like that is.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Not because Harrison Ford never killed anybody, not that I'm
aware of, except for with kindness. Anyway, we're talking about
Bo so Bo's parents. You know, he is basically on
his own in the world by age sixteen or so,
which is not uncommon in the period in a lot
of most of like the Western world, at fourteen, you're

(06:10):
generally starting to be seen as a full adult. You're
still most people see this kind of view you as
very young, but you're often like working full time, right, Like,
you're supporting yourself or helping to support your family by
that age if you're a man, and it's not super common,
especially among commoners. It's rare for girls to like, it's
not the norm for girls to be like married and

(06:31):
having kids at that time, but it's not unheard of,
especially among the aristocracy.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
So, the fact that Bo's childhood ends a little early
has a lot to do with the fact that his
parents both die when he's very young. His mom passes
in seventeen ninety three, when he is fifteen years old.
He doesn't write a lot about her. The evidence we
have seems that maybe by the time he was kind
of in his late teens, they were a little bit cold,
and his dad is cold on him. He is the

(06:56):
least favorite son of his family. His mom has said,
both seem to view him as kind of a fuck
around because he's this like party boy. He's loved by
his classmates. He has no ambition. That is kind of
a thing about bo for someone who's as famous as
he was. He never wants to do anything. He doesn't
want to be in government. He doesn't want a job.

(07:16):
He just likes having fun, and his parents seem to
recognize that and are sort of disgusted with him because
his dad is not entirely a self made man, but
makes a lot of money. His biographer suggests that his
mom's death and his failure with Julia pushes him at
this point away from the women who had been his
primary influences and early friends into the world of rich,

(07:37):
young assholes like the Prince of Wales in seventeen ninety four.
The next year, his father dies just as George is
finishing his time at Eton. I've heard wildly divergent estimates
of what his family estate is worth, right the low end,
and this is what is Ian Kelly says, probably around
five million pounds in modern money. But also you can

(07:59):
never get very close to accurate descriptions of what the
money is worth because most people don't use money in
their day to day life. An average like peasant or whatever,
an average like person you know in the countryside is
particularly in the countryside, if you're farming, money is not
a day to day thing for you. Most of what

(08:19):
you do, you accomplish you either grow it, you pull
out of the ground, or your barter with your neighbors.
Every now and then you'll get money you can pay
your taxes with, like directly with the crops that you grow.
People in the city use money, but even then a
lot of it's on credit in script like and so
when you're talking about these wealthy people who do have fortunes,

(08:39):
even something like if you're saying something is like the
equivalent of a million pounds, just based on how we
calculate stuff it's usually really much more than that, because
most people don't have money most of the time. Right.
I've seen some astibats that the family fortune was more
like fifty million dollars. Either way, his dad leaves them
a lot of money, and the custom of the time,
most people would have given it all to the oldest brother, William.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
A lot of this is a period of time which
a lot of colonization is happening. A lot of colonization
is driven by second and third sons, you know, who
don't get any of the family money, losers, right, Like, yeah,
you're born to be fucked with. You know, your big
brother is the one who's gonna get all the money.
That doesn't happen with the Brummels. Billy that their dad
is kind of a forward thinking guy and he splits

(09:24):
the estate up and to his credit, this shows you
a little bit of a progressive streak in the Brummels.
He has two sons and a daughter and each of
them gets the same share of the family money, which
is rare yeah and nice yeah, depending on how you
want to calculate it. George's share of this is probably
between like one and a half million to three million,

(09:45):
pounds in modern money, it's a lot. It is enough
that if he had wanted to live a modest life,
he could have been comfortable and never worked. It's also
enough that not enough to be comfortable and live like
a rich person. Right today, if you inherit three million
dollars at sixteen, if you invest that, right, you can
live comfortably forever if your tastes aren't too fancy. But

(10:07):
if you want to live in a New York high rise, right,
And we're all like, you're going to run through three
million dollars pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Real quick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, it's a lot of money. It's not enough to
be rich forever. Right. That's the amount that he inherits,
So he also he's not going to immediately get access
to it. It comes to him in a trust and
he's going to have to beg his new guardian for
any money initially that he wants to pay. And this
guardian it's like he's godfather something gets some friend of
the family. The guardian sends the boys to Oxford initially

(10:36):
because he's like, well, you're done at Eton, you should
all go to the best school.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Of the day.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
And today I actually have to speak at Oxford a
year or so ago. Very nice town, very pretty school.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Very academically for a while.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like one of the most respected
schools you can go to. It's not really a school
back then in the way we think of things. There
are classes, you learn some things. Most of what you learn,
if you are in this social class is how to
drink like a son of a bitch.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right you are again, so double drinking?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yes, yes, yes, you learned how to drink as a boy,
and now it's time to learn how to drink like
a man. You know, Like that's why you go to Oxford.
That's most of what you learn. And I am not
making this up. So one of the most prominent Oxford
graduates who went there, he goes there a bit before
George's day. But I think his statement about Oxford in
this period of time and Oxford is it's not a college.

(11:31):
It's a series of colleges in one town that all
kind of get wrapped up. But there's like a number
of different universities. One of like a guy who goes
to Oxford in the period of like basically a generation
before George is Edward Gibbon, who you might not know
him by name. But he is the guy who writes
the history of the decline in fall of the Roman Empire. Right,
he is one of the biggest names in the history
of academia, right, like yeah, yeah, yeah, very yeah. And

(11:55):
this is what he says about Oxford. In this time
I spent fourteen months at Magdalene College. They proved to
be the most idle and unprofitable of my whole life. Right,
we didn't do shit but drink. Ian Kelly quotes a
contemporary politician who preceded Georgie at Oxford by a little bit,
and said, a gentleman commoner was under no restraint and
never called upon to attend either lectures or chapel or hall.

(12:17):
The set of men with whom I lived were very pleasant,
but very idle fellows. Our life was an imitation of
high life in London. We are learning how we are
pretending to be adults, and we are learning how to
be ready to be rich diletants in the city, you know.
And we're not learning that because there's nothing to do.
We're arning that because being a rich diletant in the
city is how you get the jobs running the empire. Right.

(12:42):
This is part of why some of the people who
run it do stuff like try to hold Afghanistan not
all that long after this period of time and get
everybody killed.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
It.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Also part of what you do have to accept is
there's a degree to this is a very effective system
at the end of the day, in creating people who
are hard and cruel enough to run an empire that
is extremely powerful. This is a the drinking, the the
the insults, the petty bond mots, the fact that you

(13:13):
have to be so quick witted you have to be
able to keep track of who is where and who
you can insult in who you shouldn't. The fact that
you have to be able to drink to excess to it,
but not too much because you don't want to lose
track of like maintaining your path in this social structure
that requires a lot of a person. And it doesn't
breed people who are good at governing India, but it

(13:35):
creates people who are good at understanding how to hold
power in India. You know, right, It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Hold of like right, Yeah, they hold the line of
the hierarchy. And they're also so that from the whole
homo social dynamic, they're also ready to believe the person
on top of them knows best, so they'll just believe
whatever being told by the person above them.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's this I have talked to I was
not a high school girl, but I have talked to
my friends who were high school girls, and they'll talk
about especially when you're like, I think the show Yellowjackets
gets an aspect of this pretty well. But like how
brutal girls can be in like social hierarchy to each
other at that age. Men have their own version of that,

(14:20):
And you should look at the culture that produces the
rulers of England as like a really gossipy high school.
Everybody's fucking everybody's talking shit and gossiping about each other.
And George all he wants. He doesn't want any of
the jobs. He wants to sail to the top of
that without actually being responsible for anything. Right, he is

(14:43):
in a lot of ways slacker, right, Yeah, like he is.
He is kind of like the patron saint of slackers,
you know, which is part of why I respect.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
When you're a B plus student, you're like, I'm gonna
be okay. Yeah, You're like, I'm a B plus student.
I can pass all the classes. I'm not going to
study though.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah. Yeah, so this segment of society was as George
came of age, also deeply spooked. The culprit of this
scaredness spookiness was the French Revolution, which is kind of lingering.
It hits while George is at Eton. He comes home
from like school for a holiday to be told that
his family man are like, oh, yeah, you know, they
did a revolution in France. Looks pretty nasty for people

(15:24):
like us over there. Yeah, I killed a lot of
fucking people. And so everybody doesn't hit great Britain, but
a lot of refugees do. A lot of these French
nobles and wealthy people who flee wind up coming to
London and stuff, and the whole aristocrats. He is terrified
is this shit gonna spread? Because they're not looking at

(15:44):
it as just the French Revolution. They're also looking at
what just happened in the United States, right, which did
include a lot of violence towards members of the British
aristocracy who stayed loyal, And they're thinking, are we about
to have an uprising of the common people?

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Are we on the verge of a revolution? You know? Yeah.
Part of what they are aware of is that a
lot of the men and women who had faced the
guillotine during this era had been identified by the crowd
as aristocrats because they were dressed very well. Right, they
are wearing the clothes of incredibly rich people. And this
starts to accelerate a change that had already begun to

(16:20):
sweep British fashion earlier in the seventeen eighties. Wool replaces silk,
gold and silver seems the less desirable than flat colors
in an age where you never know is a mob
about to come for us, So this is starting to happen.
And parts of this had started before the French Revolution,
but that really accelerates this. Like, I don't know if
I want to be wearing the equivalent of like two

(16:43):
hundred thousand dollars in silk at all times, and like
gold braid, literal gold braid, Like I.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Shouldn't carry my person this neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, And one of the things I think that is
an aspect of this. You know, we're dealing with this
weird thing where you've got chunk of people who believe
that guys like Donald Trump, literal billionaires, guys like Elon
Musk are basically working class because they seem common and
course in a way that like, well he's saying what
I feel like, so maybe he's not one of like

(17:13):
the ruling class, and they are. But part of what
lets people get away with this is that suits are
a thing that rich people wear, but also a lot
of people wear. I would say ninety nine percent of
people I have seen wearing tailored suits, we're not wealthy.
Most of them are working class, right, because for a
lot of working class people like you, just wear a

(17:35):
suit to work, right, like, or at least a casual
suit or something, and that has allowed I think it's
as opposed to in this kind of pre regency period,
early regency period, if you see a rich person, you
immediately know by their dress that they're rich, right. And
part of what's going to happen, this change in fashion
is going to change that it's never again going to

(17:56):
be as easy to tell how rich the rich are
just by their clothes unless you really know your fashion
shit right. Right.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's kind of like how like when the Silicon Silicon
Valley tech bros came up and they weren't they were
wearing like sweatpans and just really casual like at leisure
but very expensive watches and so like accessories became the
new indicator of stuff, not necessarily the clothes you were wearing, right.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's part because like those are
a little easier to take off, they're a little less
immediately obvious. You know, bo is going to be part
of why that becomes how people look at fashion. We're
getting to all that. So he only spends a couple
of months at Oxford. He gives it up in like
a semester as a useless waste of money. And he
comes to his guardian and is like, look, I don't
think Oxford's going to help me get where I want

(18:41):
to get. I want some of my money released now
because I need to buy a commission in the Royal Army.
I want to pay to become an officer in the Army.
If you join the army today. Number one, you never pay,
because that's that would that would be very sketchy to
pay to join the army. You will start. There's two tracks,

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and the British are actually part of why because the
British helped to invent and they're kind of cribbing from
the Romans. We crib apart from the Romans from the
French from the British. You know how we organize our army.
There's two tracks in the military, and this is true,
then it's true this day there's noncommissioned officers, privates, sergeants, corporals. Right,
that's not the order, it doesn't it whatever, And then
there's officers. Right, that's your lieutenants, your captains, your majors,

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your colonels, YadA, YadA, YadA, on and up. They do
slightly different things and they're different social classes. Historically, this
is a little bit less the case in the United States,
but not really that much, because officers have to have
a college degree, right, generally, not always. My grandpa never
graduated eighth grade, but he became an officer because everyone
above him got shot to death in Korea, you know,

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does happen occasionally, but as a general rule, officers are
people who have an education, right. And in this period,
officers are usually the aristocracy or gentlemen commoners, right like
bo And in the modern militaries, there's no way to
start out as a higher rank. You start out at

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the bottom of your perspective wrung, usually either like a
private or a second lieutenant. If you're an officer, right,
because modern militaries have found that if you can bribe
people for better jobs, what happens is all of your
officers suck and they get everyone killed all the time.
This is a problem in a lot of different militaries, right,
it's always yeah, yeah, you look at a lot of

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these to go into kind of some contemporary history, there's
been a lot written about, like you have these wars
between Israel and a lot of its neighbors, and a
lot of these armies, like Egypt and Syria perform really badly.
And part of it is because if you're a dictator,
if you're a strong man in power, you don't necessarily
want an army that makes it easy for good officers

(20:51):
to gain power, because that's your those are the people
who might overthrow you, right, So you want toadies and
stuff people are effectively buying, and that's how a lot
of shit works in the British army kind of for
quite a while, and especially during this period back in
the late seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds. Rank is
not something a rich man earned, it was something he bought,

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and this practice had started in the reign of Charles.
The second being able to buy a commission actually had
a reasonable origin. It was trying to deal with the
fact that you had a lot of rich guys who
wanted to be officers. They would join, they would get
everybody killed, or if a battle would go badly, they
would run away and they would kind of like fuck
over the army. So they were trying to establish accountability.

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And initially the way buying a commission worked is it
was like, hey, what was like bonding out of jail?
It was in order to become an officer, you give
us a chunk of money and when you're done, we'll
give it to you back unless you run away in
battle or get everybody killed. If you fuck up, you
don't get this money back. Right. So it starts from

(21:53):
a good, an intelligent desire to like, we need to
have some accountability, right, But by the time bo is there,
it has turned into a way for if you're an
asshole with a lot of money, you can pay to
have a cool sounding rank, Like I would like it
if people called me captain. I would like to be
called colonel. Right, here's a pile of money, now I'm
a colonel. Right. But it did lead to people who

(22:16):
didn't know their shit being in command of military units
and British defeat in the Revolutionary War is going to
be blamed by a lot of people at home on
these officers who have paid for their commissions. And I
think historians have largely agreed that that's not that's not
a primary cause. It wasn't zero percent of why things
go badly for them, but it's not the main reason
things do right, But a lot of people do blame

(22:39):
that for the defeat at the time. Right. It's also
worth noting that the Army does this because the Army
is the second tier British military thing, the Royal Navy.
You're never able to do this. It's got some corruption
of its own. But that's part of why the Navy
always wins, you know, as they don't do stupid shit.
They're like, this is going to be sick. Yeah, we

(23:00):
don't have any We have no flex with the Navy.
The Navy's go look at us and everyone we're picking
fights with, right like otherwise we're just getting We're.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
An island nation. We need this shit to work.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
We cannot fuck around with the Navy, and you shouldn't
fuck around with the Navy either, which is why This
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(23:37):
So thank you, Oracles. We're back, Princess. Is there a
dead person you'd like our oracles to get you in
contact with?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Oh? Man, yes, please, I want to talk to Kathain
of Aragon. Oh oh yeah, just for like five minutes. Yeah,
I have questions.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, I got a couple of those. You know, honestly,
it's not a person for me, but I would like
to let Hitler's dog know that we don't blame him.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, Like, none of it's on you, buddy, Like it's
not on you man, Like we know, unanimity choice, you're
a German shepherd, Like, it's not on you man. Nobody
blames you, right, we're all, we're all in agreement. I
just feel like he might be holding on to some trauma.
One innocent Yeah, the only person in that bunker who
didn't deserve what happened to him. So by the late

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seventeen nineties, only some cavalry and infantry regiments let people
purchase commissions, and a lot of these are show units
meant for parade duty rather than like fighting Napoleon, which
is happening at this time. In Napoleon pretty good at fighting.
You don't want to send some asshole who had sell
one thousand men like you know what, Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Need a guy who's going to be named after a steak,
you know, like that's right, right.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Exactly, yes, exactly. The man who's going to have boots
named after him is the one we can trust to
do this shit. And of all of the fake regiments
in the British Royal Army, the facus of the fake
was the elite tenth Light Dragoons, which had been christened
the Prince of Wales's own right. It's supposed to be
an honorific you know. This is the specific unit the elite.

(25:17):
You know, in the Tzarrest Rush you get the elite
horse guards, which like the crown Prince's own or whatever,
and here that equivalent is the tenth Light Dragoons. Now
the Prince of Wales at this point is George Augustus
Frederick born in seventeen sixty two. He is in his
early thirties when sixteen year old George Brummel pays to
join his unit. Now in the future, he is going

(25:37):
to be King George, the fourth one of the shit
of all of the dogshit kings Endom has ever had,
near the bottom of the pile. He is famous for
being a selfish asshole to everyone around him. He's famous for,
like among the standards of the Kings of England, people
being like, yeah, this guy was really addict to people.
Just didn't seem to care about anyone else.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, especially his wife. Yeah, like horrible marriage. Yeah, it's like,
you're not coming to the funeral. He is his.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Wife, Queen Charlotte, Princess Charlotte doesn't like George, but George
actually feels sorry for her because he sees how she's treated.
You know, he is. He is there for the wedding.
We're getting into this. The Tenth Light Dragoons and how
they worked and why they came about are a testament
to the kind of lifestyle the future King lived because
he was heir his dad and none of this isn't
his fault. His dad won't let him do anything. He

(26:27):
doesn't want him to have a real job because the
prince the only real job that's fit for a prince
is to be a soldier. And that's dangerous, right, your
heir is the future of the dynasty. Dad wants you
safe at home, not getting into any trouble. And so
you can't actually learn to be good at anything. There's
nothing for you. And so the prince he grows past

(26:50):
his twenties to his thirties. The only thing his wife
will say, the only thing he was ever good at
was fashion. He knew fabric, he knew good cuts of clothing.
He was even he could have been a great taylor.
You know, if he had come about in a different
time where he was actually allowed and needed to do something,
he might have actually been a person with a skill,
and it would have been better for him. Because he
is miserable his whole life because he has no talent,

(27:14):
like most people. We have these guys today, a lot
of people who are not good for anything fetishize military
uniforms and dressing and looking and pretending to be militant
as a way to hide the fact that they have
no talent. Right, he is he's like one of these
guys who marches around city streets and fucking soldier get

(27:35):
up and whatnot, wave in a flag or whatever. Like
he is. He has a lot of that in him.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, fucking LARPers, military larkers.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, he is a LARPer and he is deeply insecure
about it. He collected replicas of every kind of uniform
in the Royal Army. When his brother, his brother goes
to his brother, who his younger brother, who has a
real job doing actual statesmanship, visits Berlin in seventeen ninety one,
is of like, you know, they're fighting Napoleon, right, the

(28:02):
Prussians are our allies and whatnot. So he's he's he's
there for diplomatic reasons. And when he goes his eldest
brother is the fallest of fail sons. He's not allowed
to do anything. It's like if you go, this is
what he writes in the letter, being like, I want
you to bring me these back. The complete uniforms a koutramah, settle,
saddle and bridle, et cetera of one of the Zatan's
Hussa Hussars, as well as one of the officer's complete

(28:26):
uniforms clothing, sword caps, saddle, bridle, chabric, pistols. In short,
everything complete. I want the whole, all of the uniform,
all of the bits, all of the dresses. He's like,
you know that this is a guy. This today he
might have wound up like in a nerdier thing, being
one of those rich dudes who has like all of
the fucking Imperial officer, you know, every Stormtrooper uniform, a

(28:48):
great Darth Vader costume. He's that kind of guy, only
he's not again making his brother buy it for it is.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Kind of Vader costume. This is from the video game.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, yeah, but he's also he's not. There's something respect
if you're the kind to do especially I've known some
people who like buy all the equipped to like make
their own custom uniforms and shit like that's a skill
you have to learn a lot about tailor and a
lot of respect for that. He is the kind of
guy who pays to have all that made for him.
The guy. The specific thing uniform that he's most obsessed

(29:21):
with is the uniform of the Prussian Hussars, and a
hussar is a kind of cavalry. They are These guys
are the Navy seals of their day. They are special forces.
They are the best of the best.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Not only are these Hussars they have a pretty good
combat record, but they look really cool. If you look
up the Death's Head Hussars, these guys they wear these
huge shakos, these like big bear skin hats that have
like bear fur on them, these like huge round hats,
and it has a skull and crossbones, you see the
Death's head. That is where the Nazis get the Death's

(29:54):
Head from, right, It comes from these these units, these
elite units of Hussars. Now, these guys aren't Nazis. That
don't exist yet, right, This is just it looks cool
to have a skull and crossbones in your helmet.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Right, No, no, no, for sure. It's just like Hitler
is just such a like he's such a Pinterest artist
of like I like this, I like this, I like this,
I like this. I'm just going to ruin it retroactively.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
The guy who makes the SS what they are, Heinrich Himmler,
is exactly the same kind of nerd about this stuff
that the future King of England is going to be.
And he's also obsessed with these Hussars and they're great
uniforms and whatnot. So that's what the Prince of Wales wants.
He wants what he covets about these guys because he
is never going to see anything close to a fight.

(30:36):
Is their reputation for being deadly skilled professionals. He wants
respect and people respect these men right and bo Brummles's biography,
Ian Kelly writes such was the issue's importance in his
mind that he wrote directly to Sir Henry Dundas Secretary
for War, threatening that if he were not granted the
rank and uniform of a major general, it must lead

(30:57):
to a total separation between the King and my He
put it more eloquently to his father, I have no
option but to lead a life which must to the
public eye, where the color of idleness, which, from the
sense of it so appearing, must sit irksomely upon me.
A uniform would make him appear properly royal, a soldier
prince leading his people. In letters to his father, he

(31:19):
likened himself to the Black Prince, and in the portraits
he commissioned and poised himself as a man of action,
a military prince. He wants to be seen as this
great warrior. He's never going to get a chance to
do that, right, he would have gotten killed immediately, He
would have gotten the whole British would have won the
shit out of this war if he would have let
this son of a bish near battlefield.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
And is his dad knows this the most? The princes, Yeah,
these guys are so funny. His dad knows this the
most The Prince is ever going to get is a
single regiment created just for him in seventeen ninety three,
the tenth Regiment of Light Dragoons. The Prince of Well,
his own never does anything. They do not They are

(32:03):
not a real military unit. They exist. This is today
people who want to have this desire and a little
bit more inside themselves. If they've got some money, they
just start playing Warhammer. Right. But this is his equivalent
of playing one of these like toy soldier games, right,
Instead of he doesn't have to buy models and build
and paint them. He just gets a body of men.

(32:25):
He designs their uniform from the ground up. He is
kind of like painting these you want some men? He's like, yeah,
give him some men, some men. We don't need let
him dress them up. However, he wants he can watch
them around on a field and pretend he's a general.
Now to give you an idea of like how little

(32:45):
his father trusts him. He gets this unit gets made
early on, and like I think the yeah, this in
seventeen ninety three, he doesn't get or in seventeen eighty
three or something like that, but he doesn't get command
of it until seventeen nine when war with France starts.
So at first other people are running this because his
dad doesn't even trust him to run a fake unit

(33:06):
designed for him to like look fancy in. But when
war with France starts, they're like, we're going to need
to get a lot of soldiers, and if we show
the Prince Regent trotting around with his fake army, it
might make the royalty look like we're more invested in
this fight, and maybe more commoners will join up to
die for us. Right, So he makes his son, He

(33:28):
gives him proper command of the unit in seventeen ninety three,
but he backdates his rank to seventeen eighty two. He
like retcon's his son being a colonel in the army,
so he's not the most junior officer because you can't
have that, right, Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Right, that would be embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Now, the King doesn't make it clear to everyone involved
in running the military, under no circumstances will my son
ever leave the country. We are not using him or
this unit for anything. So the Prince's only job is
to design the uniforms, which are the most elaborate and
expensive military outfits in all of Europe. George Brumble joins
the tenth for two reasons. First off, the guy who
stole his first girlfriend had been their old colonel, and second,

(34:08):
it's a way to get close to the Prince. Social
and professional advancement in regency England is tied entirely to
who you know, and the Prince is basically the best
man to know. He had met the Prince once earlier
at Windsor Castle, and the future King had expressed an interest.
George comes to the castle dressed differently from everyone else,
dressed really down. He's kind of dressed casually, but it's

(34:29):
sort of he looks like he just rolled out of bed,
but he spent four hours setting himself up to look
like he just rolled out of bed, and he looks
like he's dressed down, but in the because he's wearing
this outfit that's like a costume, right, that's like a
casual costume. But he is perfectly tailored. He has every
single measurement. He has set out to show off his
body to the best degree. And the King is like, oh, dude,

(34:52):
you look fucking dope, say a prince. Yeah, and the Prince,
you know not to body shame a dead man. He
is known for being corpulent, right, and so he he
is insecure about this. He gets made fun of for this.
And Bo is thin and muscular and handsome. Right, So
the Prince is like, how can I dress like you?
And he listens to everything this sixteen year old boy

(35:14):
has to say. Right, he's desperate to be this kid.
He's just because he's cool. Right. One of the criticisms
I might have of Ian Kelly, he's a very good
and a very serious biographer. He jumps around this fact
that like because he Kelly kind of leans into this.
It's a little bit of a mystery why everyone likes
him so much. Some of it was this he was charming.
He was like, what he doesn't because he's a little

(35:35):
bit too I think professional to say this is like,
Bo's just cool, right.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Instead he looks like Timothy Shallow, like.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, exactly right, Like people just want to be like him.
So yeah, and you know this, the Prince of Wales,
who is thirty something, kind of falls for him. So
when George applies for entry into the regiment, the Prince
of Wales says yes. Now George has to pay, and
he has to pay out the asks for these uniforms.

(36:02):
But he quickly becomes one of the most popular men
in in the unit, despite being a literal child. A
lot of these guys are in their twenties and thirties.
He is sixteen and they all look up to him.
Right now, he can drink with the best of them.
He's very funny, and pretty soon the Prince is dressing
like him, which means everyone else starts dressing like him.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Right, Oh yeah, what an influencer.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, he is an influencer. And to be fair, the
Prince is not bad at fashion, and the tense, elaborate
uniform has an influence on George and is going to
play a part in the creation of the modern suit.
The cavalry officers, like all cavalry officers, were these skin
tight breeches. Theirs are made of wool, and they're so
thin that the wearer almost looks naked or a lot
of because it's a pale, kind of whitish blue color.

(36:47):
A lot of times you look like a marble statue,
like these ancient Greek statues, right, that everybody worships. Right.
English writing breaches had become popular by this point in
post revolutionary France, because they're they're at leisure. Right, they're
almost like a little more like blue jeans. A lot
of people see them as right, they're a galitarian, you know,

(37:08):
but these were the most popular writing breaches. And the
writing breeches Bow wears before he joins this unit are
usually knee high because you're wearing them with cavalry boots,
which go up very high the tenth just because the
prince likes them. Their breeches go down low, low enough
that you can actually wear them with regular shoes. They're
close to trousers, right, modern slacks, you know, in a

(37:28):
lot of ways other than how tight they are. George
Brummel appreciates these pants, right, and he's going to kind
of he's going to integrate them into his uniform. And
these the pants that he starts wearing when he's in
the tenth are seen by people as like one of
the precursors to modern slacks. George Brummel appreciated these pants,
but the rest of the uniform he considered a pain
because it was so intricate and expensive. It cost about

(37:51):
three hundred and fifty pounds to buy your own uniform,
and yeah, right, that's not cheap today, But a housekeeper
back then makes fifteen.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
You're already paying to play because like, you already put
up money to be here in the first place. Now
I have to go buy extra.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yet it's just a disaster. Like a footman is making
seventeen pounds a year. A French chef, who you know
they live pretty well is making sixty pounds. So this
is a crazy amount of money to spend on your outfit, yea,
even for a rich kid. Now, the primary occupation of
the prince's own hussars, because they're not allowed to fight,
is alcoholism. They did do some drills and war games,

(38:31):
but those are mostly you spend the day writing around
doing a war game, and then you spend several days
drunk off your ass just.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
And bo is like I've been training my whole life
for this all that training.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Finally, I have been the kind of alcoholic that doesn't
exist on the planet anymore since age thirteen. I'm ready, coach,
put my ass in. And they have a lot of
terms for this, Like they'll sit call certain songs like
two bottle songs and three bottle songs, where like you
can sing this kind of song when you've had two
bottles of wine, this kind of song you're gonna need
three bottles for, right. And there's also a term of

(39:06):
like a three bottle man, a man who can easily
put away three bottles of wine in the night and
like still keep his head about him, be ready the
next day to go ride around and do whatever gonna bullshit, right,
And that's all you're doing is drinking and riding around.
The Prince described as ideal soldiers as mina fashion and gentlemen,
and he spent most of his time forcing bottles of
wine down their throats and doing his Basically, they're all

(39:27):
doing karaoke. That's what partying is then, as you all
sing together while you get recklessly drunk. One veteran of
the unit later recalled the officers of those days, were
thrown headlong into a vicious school, where at times they
were expected to act as if in reality they were
thinking beings, and at others chastised for merely thinking. The
officers were suffered to get drunk, swear, gamble, seduce, and

(39:49):
run into debt. A pleasure. That such a school produced
many scamps, many incorrigible, bad characters, is but little surprising.
It is indeed truly wonderful that it produced anything else.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
He's like Jesus Christ, most of us.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Turned into pieces of shit. But that's not what's amazing.
What's amazing is that any of us didn't.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Right. It's like some of us actually became friend of
members of society. They died two years after because their
livers were completely destroyed, but.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Good for melting from the inside out. George Brummell does
extremely well in this world. Brummell is noted as being
quote the life and soul of the mess with his regiment,
for his original wit and collection of good stories were inexhaustible,
and at the dinner table he always kept his brother
officers in roars of laughter. Every regiment in those days

(40:36):
had a practiced and privileged jester, whose province it was
to put an immediate stop to serious conversation by pun
or joke and return to quote the hilarity which usually
pervades our military society. So he is he has seen
as the guy is like he can stop anyone from
like he's making dark jokes. He's making jokes, you know,
Lewde jokes about women, and his goal is to redirect

(40:58):
conversation to keep everybody in a high spirits right, especially
when they start losing money as they're all going into
debt trying to afford to be in this unit. That's
part of his job, and he's good at it. He
does so well at this side of army life that
after a year in the regiment, at age seventeen, he
is picked to be the best man at the royal wedding,
or at least one of a couple of them. Right,

(41:19):
he's the best man at Charles the Fort's royal wedding.
That's crazy now, the wedding itself is a disaster. The
Prince and the princess know each other from paintings like
that's what they have, and like letters where they describe
each other and they both lie right there. Neither of
them is honest, right.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
They were not pleased like you tinder take into its.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Natcha, and the princess is like, well, he really did
not accurately describe his weight, you know when he talked
to me. And his issue with her is that, like
this is a thing I think is common among German princesses.
She doesn't bathe, and he doesn't love that nobody does.
Of people try to talk to her about this about

(42:02):
like hey, I got bath, might help you, like there's this,
but uh, they don't. Really that's not the style at
the time. So, because he's such a piece of shit,
the Prince is going to spend their wedding night and
honeymoon mostly mocking his new bride, and George is kind
he tries to redirect. He feels like bad for her
because he's this, Yeah, she's a little like weird and foreign,

(42:23):
but she just like left her home to come here,
and she seems really lonely and like you're being very
shitty to her. The future, he does, however, get incredibly
absolutely housed with the Prince. They are just drunk as shit.
The Prince is too drunk to fuck right when they
come in on their honeymoon. She blames bo for that, like, honestly,
that might have been the best thing for everybody, but

(42:46):
she blames bo for like you got him too drunk
to even do the one thing he's supposed to do. Right,
So tomorrow, tomorrow, honey. George buys a promotion to lieutenant
in seventeen ninety five, and then captain in seventeen ninety six.
His only injury came when he fell off a horse
and broke his nose, thus ruining his profile. In seventeen

(43:09):
ninety eight, yeah, some people say it makes him more handsome,
like Harrison Ford's little chin scirt. Probably, yes, yeah, that's
gonna be my guess, because he still does pretty well.
In seventeen ninety eight, the regiment moves to Manchester and
George is like, that's the end of my military career,
and I want to go to Manchester because that's not London.
London is the city that matters. And here's how his

(43:32):
earliest biographer, William Jesse, describes him going to the Prince
to talk about leaving. Why the fact is, your Royal Highness,
I have heard that we are ordered to Manchester. Now
you must be aware how disagreeable this would be to me.
I really could not go, think your Royal Highness Manchester. Besides,
you would not be there. I have, therefore, with your

(43:54):
Royal Highness's permission, determined to sell out, Like why would
I do there? You're not there? What kind of places
with that.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Row?

Speaker 1 (44:03):
And the Prince is like, well, yeah, of course, you know.
I don't want to be not around you. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So Bo cashes out and he moves to London. He
takes possession of his inheritance. At this point, he's a
full adult. He buys a house in the most fashionable
part of town. He is very close to saple Row.
You might may have heard of saple Row. It's generally brobably.

(44:25):
It's like where you get your nicest tailored suits. Today
Bo is going to make saple Row. Saple Row. He
is where. That's why that starts, because that's where he
goes and a lot of his tailors are right. He
starts buying clothes, he starts building relationships with a bunch
of different tailors. He one of his things is he
will talk shit about people who are like, oh, you
go to the same tailor for your waistcoat and your jacket.

(44:48):
There's no good there's no good vest man who's a
good jacket. Man, you bought your house, your hat and
shoes from the same tailor. Okay, they look like it. Yeah,
look like the.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Hats of a shoe man. Oh my god, like those
mumpas who are like, look at them. Oh oh oh he.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Is yeah, it just totally a yeah, that's exactly what
he's doing. So he picks a different guy for each thing,
and he designs a series of suits for himself. They
are based off of the stripped down suit that he
had started wearing. It eaten a little bit, you know.
He takes the breeches kind of from his uniform in
the tents and this becomes the prototype of the western suit.

(45:32):
This is where it has its origin. Point. Bo finalizes
his sartorial experiments. Just his fashion in England is hitting
a turning point. The term dandy had first entered the
lexicon in seventeen eighty and it means basically a person
who studies, who is obsessed with fashion. Kind of right,
Bo is going to be the man. He doesn't originate
that term, but he defines it. When people write about

(45:54):
dandies in this period, most of them are writing about
bow Right. Most of his contemporaries see him as the
first of the Dandies. In seventeen ninety five, the Prime
Minister has introduced a new tax on wig powder. This
is a part of the war against Napoleon, and it
accelerated the demise of the old style of fashion, which
had been on its way out since the French Revolution.
At least Bo is going to be one of the

(46:16):
first people and a lot of the Prince and a
lot of other people follow him who stops wearing a wig,
And he kind of does. If you look at the
way Napoleon looked, that kind of almost Greek statue hairstyle.
That's how Bo wears his hair, and it's how everybody
starts to wear their hair.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
An improvement because I've seen those other hairstyles are not it.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, it's a step forward. We can agree on that.
In National Geographic Ignacio Peiro rights the growth of a
new British style, one that embraced simplicity, structure and understatement,
with monochrome and military fabrics, abandoned such pre revolutionary fashions.
Psychologist John Carl Flugel later dubbed this gradual process of
simplification in men's dress as the Great Masculine Renunciation whereby

(46:58):
men's fashion became inspired by social equality, it turned its
back on extravagance. It accepts if grooming became regarded as
a feminine trait. Right, And that's weird because in part
Bo is going to advocate much more grooming than had been.
He loves to groom, but his kind of grooming is
you should be clean, you should wear good clothing, you

(47:21):
should have good skin, and as a result, you won't
need to wear cosmetics as much. So it is people
see it as less grooming because he's saying, no, you'd
actually take care of your body rather than getting obsessed
with all the ways to hide the fact that you're
filthy and gross. You know, that's the kind of fashionista
he is now. A lot of these changes in style
had started before Bow and would have happened without him.

(47:43):
He doesn't kill the old style of fashion entirely on
its own, but it dies as he comes into his
own as like a popular man in high society, and
he is the first person with a vision of what's
going to come next, right, And that's why he's able
to make this change. She's able to make it because
the prince is the king of high society in London,

(48:04):
and he is dressing like Bo. He is telling one
else to everyone else to dress like Bo. Bo is
going around all these tailors and when people realize this
is who the king follows for fashion advice, they will
go to the same tailors that Bo is and they
will ask them what is he wearing? What does he
say is the best fabrics? What does he say is
the best way to dress? And part of why he

(48:24):
gets credit for inventing the suit is he doesn't have
one tailor. There's not one guy who makes an outfit
that he wears because he picks all these tailors. It's
them who are kind of coming up with these alterations
and innovations on new styles, but he is the one
putting them all together. So he gets all the credit
for creating the suit, even though he's using a bunch.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Of people for it.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Right within months of arriving in London, flocks of aristocrats
are following Bow around. They will come to his house
in the morning, and this starts with the Prince and
some of his hangers on. They will go to ce
Bow in the morning and watch him dress because they
want to know, like, how do you look like you
just rolled out of bed, what is it you do?
And it takes him hours and they will It becomes

(49:06):
like one of the most fashionable things to do because again,
part of what this guy is doing, he is living
the life of a TikTok influencer. But we're like a
TikTok fashion influencer. You've taken videos of you putting on
your makeup, videos you.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Get ready with me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, just ir They're like,
we're gonna see this lively person. They're literally at.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
His house watching him do this, right, But it's no different,
you know, it's just like it's actually in his home
because that's the way it's got to be. Back then,
once he has the Prince kind of acts like the algorithm,
right that boosts his content into everybody's feed. Once he's
got this everyone's attention because of the Prince, he keeps
it because he knows, he understands how fame works. He

(49:46):
understands how to keep his name on everybody's lip, and
he does it very intentionally. Some of whyse because he's
got a great eye for style. Bo is probably the
first fashionable amount of influence to insist that what matters
is not how vinsive your clothing looks. It's not having
all these layers, it's not having all this jewelry, it's
not having all this paint on your face. It's having
really quality fabrics, particularly fine linen, and it's cut in

(50:10):
a way to show off your natural attributes. Right. You
don't want to wear too much. You want to show
off your body because you're showing off. I have the
time and money to spend all my time thinking about
how I look and how I present myself, right, rather
than I paid somebody to buy me the fanciest clothing,
you know.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
And that's so interesting because like how you're explaining him
is not how it was from it that opening article.
So because because it's so specific and it's so funny,
because we talk so much about the downsiad of like
fast fashion and bo would have been the first one
been like, yeah, we don't buy from sham. We get
ourselves passivate and like spend the actual money and instead
of like so in a lot of ways, it is

(50:49):
like this revolution of like because even though macaroni thing,
it just sells me a bunch of like kids that
went to the continent, like went to Abiza for a
weekend and We're like, this is my personality.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Now, he's my personality. I paid I paid a servant
to buy whatever they wear over there, and I just
put on what they bring me, right, But I was like, no, no, No,
Your entire life is about thinking about how you what
you're wearing, and how you look. That's that's all you spend,
and that's what means you're a You're an actual fashionable gentleman. Now,

(51:18):
part of what helps Bo in this. Another thing that
helps is that he's gorgeous. He is like six ft
five and one hundred and ninety pounds. He's built like
a Greek statue.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Right.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Part of like bo is one of the men, like
that phrase, the turning like turning of the leg or
something like that, comes from the fact that he wore
these very tight pants over his extremely muscular legs, and
he looks like a statue. Right, he looks like a
Greek statue. He's deliberately cultivating that look. He wants people
to see him as a piece of meat. You know.
Part of the point of these pants is you can

(51:48):
see the outline of his dick. You know, he's got
those like gray fucking gray us look right, Yeah, yeah,
this becomes he's probably around Yeah, we don't know exactly.
Weirdly enough, Ian Kelly is the one who calculates how
tall he probably was because his wine merchants kept track

(52:11):
of his weight and we know some of his measurements,
so you can kind of triangulate about But he's tall,
and he's reasonably muscular, and then right like, he's got
that kind of that kind of build, you know. The
last ingredient to BOE's success was that he had a
modern understanding of how to manage and cultivate celebrity. He
kind of invents Western celebrity in a very real way.

(52:33):
Part of it is that he's very witty, he's very funny.
People copy him and quote him right, which spreads his fame.
He also he develops an affectation of carrying around it's
basically like a magnifying glass that he will look at
people as they walk in at parties and judge their
outfits and be like, oh, you must have gotten your
boots from a shirt man like that, and he's being

(52:57):
a bitch, but he's also he's really funny with it,
and that's part of the entertainment. Is Bo's going and
he's gonna talk some shit at you, but in the
way that like a stand up comedian, it's gonna maybe
pick random people from the audience and give him some shit,
and like you, you come into the experience knowing that's
gonna happen. Part of what he's doing is he's like
he's part stand up comedy. Right.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
You would have loved fashion poems, been like I want
to one he would. Yeah, Bravo is his favorite.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yes, absolutely, His jokes become reported on in newspapers and magazines.
There's going to be at least one newspaper at the
time that's devoted just to Bow. His name is in
the title. It's not just about him, but it's like
it's following fashion and he's fashion. Right. Yeah, he's got
his own He's got a fanzine, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, there's fan cams of him, but they're just all texts. Uh.
His first biographer, William Jesse, gives one example of this
from when the Duke of Bedford came calling to ask
Bo's opinion on his new coats. This Duke comes in
and is like, I've I've got a fine new character,
and I want you to I want you to tell me,
is this is this a fit? Does this work? Should
I go to the party in this? And Bo quote

(54:03):
Bo examined him from head to toe with as much
attention as an adjutant of the lifeguards, with the sentries
on a drawing room day. Turn round, said the bow,
His grace did so, and the examination was continued in front.
When it was concluded, Brummel stepped forward and, feeling the
lapel delicately with his thumb and fingers, said, in the
most earnest and amusing manner, Bedford, do you call this

(54:25):
thing a coat? This is really a coat? Is a coat?

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
You think this is a coat? This is a quote
to you? Huh?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
So you came out and this is it. This is
what he literally is doing like.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Water the yeah, yeah, And this is I get why.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Like Alexandra, like we quote started with, I get what
she says, like, oh, he's just being cruel, He's just
being mean to people. This is bitchy. You can take
that from this. It is a bit bitchy. But what
I get from that quote, when you have to interpret,
is that it's not about what he's saying. Part of
it is about there's a bunch of people around. Everyone's
crowded into his salon to watch him dress. This guy
comes in, this duke ask for his dress, and Bo

(55:05):
is he's putting on a show. He's pantomime. He's going
up and up to him with a spyglass and looking around.
People are not just laughing at the duke who's getting
a little bit of shit talked about his fashion, since
they're laughing at BO being this parody of himself. This
really like obsessive, like like ridiculous fashion. I like that's
part of the joke. The joke is on him. And
that's why no one ever gets too angry at Bo,

(55:26):
because part of it is that, like he's funny, you know,
like he's and this.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Is what he knows how to do, Like this is
how he's always diffuse situation. It's like, I'm just gonna
be funny and cute. That's going to carry me throughout life.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
So far, so good, and it's you know what's happening.
I'm gonna talk shit about you. I'm also gonna like
make a little fun of myself and by making but
that by taking the piss out of both of us,
we can all relax a little. I made a joke
about the Prince. I made a joke about the Duke.
I made a joke about me. Everybody can kind of
be okay now, right, Like we're all a little bit
in a more casual air now, so bo is you know? Yeah,

(56:02):
interesting fella. He leans into the absurdity of his reputation,
his reputation for incredible excess, usually by lying. He spreads
myths about himself. He starts telling everyone. They ask him, wow,
you have the shiniest, the blackest boots. How do you
black your boots? And he's like, oh, I only shine
them with fine champagne. I use champagne to shine my
boot champagne. It's not a great way to chase boots.

(56:24):
This is a lie. He's poking fun at his image.
He's like, obviously, I the bow, I wax my boots,
which fine champagne. Of course, you know, and people know
this is a bit right In modern era, a lot
of people are like, wow, this guy was like such
a wasteful rich ass while he's whacked. No, no, people
at the time know he's fucking around, right, he claims,

(56:45):
because it's again a sign of wealth to be able
to eat meat for every meal. He claims he doesn't
even eat vegetables. When one high born lady at a
party is like, do you really not eat vegetables, He's like, well, madam,
one side eate a p you know, I had a
single pee once? Right again he's fucking around, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I could just see like if he think, god, he
didn't have a microphone, because his podcast would be so
oh my.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
God, this guy, he would have been a great podcaster. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
The only thing is he would he would have had
to be focused on YouTube because a podcast is I
think he would have said, would have denied everyone looking
at me, right, they can't see me? What's at the point.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, he would do the Joe and do both just
you know, film have his little like his pee, his
one p that was just sitting there.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
His female friends, who get closer to him than most
of the men, are able to get glimpses of the
real man carefully weaving an illusion to keep himself protected
in the object of desire. One of his good friends,
one of the few people he's able to be himself around,
is Lady hester Stanhope, and she writes memoirs of her
time as a woman in high society and She says
that he once admitted to her, quote, my dear Lady Hester,

(57:53):
it is my folly that is the making of me.
If I did not impertinently stare at duchesses out of
countenance and over my shoulder to a prince, I should
be forgotten in a week. And if the world is
so silly as to admire my absurdities, you and I
may know better, But what's that signify? Right? Look, if
the world wants me to be this ridiculous parody of

(58:15):
a rich man and they're going to reward me for that,
you and I may know. I'm more than that, I
could be better than that, but why bother right now?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
And it's like this has been him from childhood. So
it's like there's like one of those first shah posing
for that cute little pig that we talked about in
part one.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Like we are in this deeply shallow, image obsessed, cruel culture.
I can succeed around you amongst you know, some of
the people that I could be a person around. You know,
there's more to me than that. You know that this
is an act, but the act is good enough for
these people that like, why should we respect them? We
just need to get bought, We need to survive among them,
and that's what I'm doing. You know, I have found

(58:56):
a way to protect myself exactly. It's TikTok and Instagram
didn't exist then Bo was a poster, but he had
to do his posting analog style. And the way he
did this since he can't make a bunch of different videos,
he goes one on one to every tailor in the city.
He tells them his thoughts on the different dresses and
fabrica of the day, and they tell everyone what he thinks.

(59:16):
You go around, you follow the Bow route on Savile
Row in these other fashionable streets, and everybody's quoting him
right his presence, and they give him a lot of
shit for free and shit on credit because the fact
that Bo's shops somewhere will get out and then you
can use as you can just tell people that Bo
says you should buy this or that, right, and that'll
sell it.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Time is a flat circah. Like that's just so like
he like just like Keith Lee, Like I'm outside the
Tanna and he doesn't know I'm coming, but my waistcoats
got a little tear in it. So we're gonna see
if he can fix it up today.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, Yeah, that's exactly it. That's exactly it. Yeah. Now,
through this method he spent years as the most viral
man in the London scene. Jane Austin is again very
likely to have based a number of characters partly on him,
and so did Catherine Gore, a Regency satire author who
described a dandy in the image of Bo as a
nobody who made himself somebody and gave the law to everybody.

(01:00:10):
Right in the making of himself, he creates rules that
others begin to follow, you know, And that's where a
lot of the ship to Bo gets because he does
he locks down men's fashion. For some would argue centuries
because of how dominant he is, but he doesn't do
that because he's against men expressing themselves. He is expressing

(01:00:31):
himself as a man and how he thinks he likes
to look. It's it's this culture that he understands how
fucked up it is that takes that to an extreme
right because it becomes law. I don't know how much
you want to blame him for that, because he is
just trying to get.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
No one said it takes to shop wearing your wear
done hats, but like I'm gonna do me over heahep
with my dick.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, yeah, I'm dicks out over here, and like I
can't be blamed if everybody nobody has a good idea
after I'm gone. And his chief innovation involved the cravat,
which is a net garment that is a precursor to
the modern tie. And bo is if not the father,
then the grandfather of the tie. Cravats had existed before him,
but he makes them because he crafts a way of

(01:01:17):
tying them that is meant to look haphazard if someone
had rolled out of bed hung over and tossed it on.
He could sometimes hours getting it right right, and again
everyone's watching him. He'll cut during the day and he
has it's an act too. He's got his man servant.
When people are like waiting in the salon having their
tea or whatnot, waiting for him to be ready to
come out, his man servant walk back and forth with

(01:01:38):
these boty baskets with dozens of crumpled cravats in them,
and he'll be like, these are all failures today. We've
been trying for hours to get it just right, you know.
But he might be ready for you now he's close. Yeah,
exactly right. We know a lot about his daily routine
because it's the number one show in town. The Prince
of Wales will show up a lot of the time

(01:01:58):
because he wants some of Bow's pool to rub off
on him. High born men come by every day just
to watch Bow dress. Ian Kelly writes, once his friend,
the Prince of Wales adopted both the style and habit
of attending the Chesterfield Street that's where he lives. Levies
Brummell's position in fashion history became assured he had the
required arrogance, poise, and connections, but also understood that the
rules were intimidating to many. The father of modern costume,

(01:02:21):
as Max Beerbohm titled, Brummel had as styled. It was
uniquely his, but perfect to the spirit of the age. Quiet,
reasonable and beautiful, free from folly or affection, yet susceptible
to exquisite ordering, plastic, austere, economical. It appeared post revolutionary, neoclassical,
ordered and enlightened, and in this it did seem democratic.
It did not shout wealth or privilege. It quietly insisted

(01:02:43):
the point it celebrated, not at least in the sheer
time it took to achieve the look wealth, privilege and
elegant indolence. Brummelell's revolutionary fetishizing of detail was labored later
described by Baudelaire as defining the man who is rich
in idol and who has no other occupation than the
perpetual pursuit of hea happiness, whose solitary vice is elegance.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Mm. Yeah, sounds like a hater than me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Mm hm Oh, Bodolaira was a famous hater. Yeah, speaking
of the pursuit of elegance, our sponsors elegant as health.
We're back now. The author of that Esquire piece was
correct in that Bo's dominance in fashion leads to a

(01:03:28):
growing homogeneity of men's dress in London, which spreads through
the Western world. His proto suit becomes the norm and
men's fashion with shocking speed, maybe faster than any other
fashion so influential had ever been before, thanks to the
new mass media of the day. In Bo's modern molding
of his own celebrity, he largely gets credit for this
development despite not making any of the clothes himself. And

(01:03:51):
you know this also stops the fact that he uses
all these tailors no one else shares credit with him.
He gets the nickname Bo around seventeen ninety nine, and
it had previously ad meant like beautiful. It's like calling
a boy, you know, a pretty little, pretty little man,
or something like that. It's initially it becomes with him.
It goes from being an insult to actually like a compliment, right,

(01:04:11):
because it means that you were beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
He's gonna reclaim it. Yeah, He's like, yes, I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Am Ian Kelly continues. People copied what he wore, how
he spoke, even how he shaved. Tobacconists sold out of
his favorite ranges of snuff, and clubs and dances were
judged on his attendance or participation. Tailors gave him their
goods simply for the honor or publicity if he's wearing
them in a manner immediately familiar in our own celebrity
and fashion obsessed aged. The decimation of the beaver population

(01:04:37):
of North America in the nineteenth century was set in
motion by his sudden taste for beaver skin top hats
like he carries it. He causes inadvertently a beaver genocide
because he wears a hat one day that's made out
of beaver skin and people just wipe them out. Oh
my gosh, we're still dealing with the part of our

(01:04:59):
wildfire problem comes from this, to be honest. Oh yeah, yeah,
Like the destruction of beaver populations in North America is
actually still catastrophic to this day, and bo Brummel has
a lot to do with it. Now he could he
have yeah, right, yeah, yeah, you know, although I will

(01:05:19):
say he's not innocent here too, because he is. He's
not a fast fashion guy, but he is a disposable
fashion guy. Part of it is because he loves white.
He insists on the thinnest gloves, the whitest shirts, the
whitest thin often leather pants, right, and these will if
thin white things don't last, you know, they get stand,
they get holes in them. So he is throwing shit

(01:05:42):
out constantly, which and so he inaugurates the cycle of
like you are replacing everything rapidly, right, You are having
it tailored every day, and you are having it cleaned
every day, and you are running through your clothes. It's expensive.
It builds an industry for fashion, but it is deeply waste, right,
And that is on him, right, that is something he

(01:06:03):
has a major factor in right, and he is also
he's an avatar of conspicuous consumption, right, and he's an
avatar of it in a way that is democratic. Conspicuous
consumption had been limited in part because there were only
so many rich people, but in part because only rich
people could afford it. And he makes he makes looking

(01:06:23):
good more affordable, which makes more people spend money to
do it, So he increases the number of people who
are focused on fashion as a luxury as a result
of making it a little more democratic. He also lays
down his fashion dict tots in a way that does
not brook disagreement, because that's kind of the humor of
the time. Fashion historian Anne Hollander argues it is possible

(01:06:45):
to make the case that masculine formal address of today
is directly Brummell's responsibility. He's a little bit of a
cult leader at his height, and that he will make
things that are kind of seen as jokes and people
will follow them to the letter. One of his bits
was he would say, if John Bull, which is like Joshmo, right,
turns around to look at you, you are not well dressed,
but either too stiff, too tight, or too fashionable. Right,

(01:07:06):
you don't want to be noticed by the commoners. Only Richmond,
who understand the quality of your cut should notice you
common people. You should blend into the crowd. You know.
It's the same. It's like with Silicon Valley fashion of
the day. And again, how much you want to blame
him morally for that right, But one thing that is
interesting to me is that he is not interested in
gaining power. Giving his given his standing with the Prince

(01:07:30):
and his status in culture, he should have been a
powerful man. He should have wound up in government, and
he had the opportunity, but he never tries. He has
no ambition. Maybe it's he was just lazy. Maybe it's
that he recognized doing that you're going to have to
do awful things and did. He really didn't want to.
His life was fine as it was. He was happy

(01:07:50):
with the things that he had. I don't know, but
this is part of the problem it's going to cost
for him, is that he rapidly runs out of money.
Everything he has is on credit. The Prince is able
to keep his creditors at bay by saying, hey, man,
I'm going to be the king. This guy is my friend.
Don't call in his debts and a lot of people
are willing to extend him credit because they're like, he's

(01:08:11):
going to be running the empire pretty soon, right, He's
gonna have some kind of jobs, right, yeah, Yeah, But
he never quite does, like and so this is eventually
going to create an unsustainable situation. But before it does,
he launches one more trend among the high society in London.
When we're all grateful for he gets them to stop
smelling like shit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
He is an.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Advocate of daily baths. He is an advocate uniquely people
who do shower and bathe regularly. It's often cold, because
that's viewed as being healthier, right that you want a
bracing cold plunge or whatnot. He likes hot baths because he.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Love that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
He makes it a luxury, right, and he also the
wisdom of the day is that sweating and like chafing
a walnot is it gets out the toxins. It's good
for you. And he's like, nah, man, I'd rather just
like get and clean myself off in a bath and
get rid of the gross stuff that way. That's a
lot nicer to me, amen. Yeah. And he also avoids
a lot of the cosmetics of the day, which is

(01:09:07):
good for everyone's health because most of them are like
made out of poison. Yeah yeah, so he helps out
with the health of the upper class to a significant degree.
In that manner, he spends more than a decade as
the it person in London society, which is a long
time to be that kind of guy. In addition to
the prototypical suit, he also starts the tradition of rich
people dressing like farmers. Like he wears hunting jackets and

(01:09:31):
like outdoor clothing that's not actually meant to be worn outdoors.
It's meant to walk around the parking, but it imitates
outdoor clothing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
So we have like car fashionable car hearts thanks to
Bo Brummel too, he helps start that. His downfall comes
in part due to his refusal to get a real job. Well,
Bo Pioneer's modern celebrity. He doesn't know how to make it,
can't make money off it, there's no there's no like
Patreon right monetization, and he gets some stuff for free
and credit, but nobody's like paying you to advertise really

(01:10:03):
at this point. And he's also gambling starting in his
late twenties and early thirties, which quickly focks him over.
You know, all this might have been survival if he
had stayed in the King's good graces, but Bo nursed
to contempt for the prince. He never thinks he's a
good man. He doesn't like the way he treats his wife,
he doesn't like the way he treats anyone, and he
loves making fun of him. This story's probably not true,

(01:10:24):
but it gives you a hint of the kind of
shit he would talk about. Their prince. Their story they're
all hung over. He's at the palace one day with
the prince and he's being like, hey, hey, princey, go
fetch mission champagne. Go give me some champagne. King, you know,
future king, pick me up a fucking bottle. Get your
man servant to bring me a bottle. And it gets
like kicked out. That probably didn't literally happen, but stuff

(01:10:45):
like it did, because we have a lot of stories
about them having fights, and it's often because Bo he's
usually good at taking the piss out of people and
not making them angry, but the Prince is really fragile
and doesn't like it's Sometimes Bogo's too far for him,
and when he's in his late thirties. He's going to
blow up their relationship entirely. And I'm gonna quote from

(01:11:06):
the New York Times here. A version of the story
goes that one afternoon, after another of Brummels in the
air to the Throne's frequent fallouts, he bumped into the
Prince while strugling with his fellow dandy lord Alvinley. When
the Prince warmly acknowledged Alvinlee but ignored him, Brumble is
said to have coolly inquired Alvinley, who's your fat friend.
The Prince never spoke to him again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Yeah that's you, bud, That's that's not nice. Buyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Yeah, And like I don't got much sympathy for the
friend for the prince here, but like, yeah, you're not
going to keep his friendship there. He is never going
to forgive this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Yeah, he sensits him about his shit, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
And he originates another great phrase during this because people
are like, when the French the Prince drops him, people
are like, are you worried that you're gonna like fall
out of your standing in society? And Brummel says, I
made him what he is. I can unmake him. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's that guy, that guy. Unfortunately he has gone a

(01:12:04):
little too far here, some of them. Maybe he is
in his thirties. He is no longer as handsome as
he used to be. He is no longer as thin
and muscular as he used to be. He's pushing forty now, right.
You know, they just like a body.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
They don't have those zembit they don't have the really
good He can't do that, kind of like modern Hollywood steroids.
You know, they just don't have it yet. Right, So
by middle aged he is age. He is flat broke.
He's worse because he's a horrible debt and once the
Prince withdraws his protection, his creditors are like, well, this
guy's never actually going to be powerful. We should try

(01:12:41):
to get some money out of him. Right, So his
life falls apart in eighteen sixteen, after a horrible losing
streak at one of the clubs where he kept a
permanent table, he flees permanently from London to Calais on
the French coast because his creditors won't follow him there.
He has some investments, he's got some minuities, and Calais
is a frances A war torn country at this point,

(01:13:01):
so it's like the third world the people in London,
and he can live off of what he's got there
reasonably well. He spends the rest of his life as
a tourist attraction, still famous, and in the years after
he flees London, a lot of famous people will continue
to write about him. Authors like Benjamin Disraeli and Oscar
Wilde feature him in their writing. Oscar Wilde is said
to have patterned a lot of his life and personality,

(01:13:24):
especially early on on both Yeah, yeah, very similar guys
for sure. The Duke of Wellington, the Destroyer of Napoleon,
also worships his style right like he dresses based on
how Bo dressed, and the playwright Lord Byron intentionally is
also he is one of these guys who's dressing in
the image, and these guys are. You shouldn't give it

(01:13:45):
as copying him as much as the way that like
men today, if you want to look good, you can
still look at pictures of how Carrie Grant dressed and
go like, well shit, that guy knew how to put
together an outfit, right, You do a lot worse than
trying to dress like Carry Granted, Right, Like that's the
kind of thing. He's just this immortal icon of cool
for people who glow up anywhere near that era. But

(01:14:07):
his older life is not going to be a happy one.
One by one his good friends died, and he grows
lonelier and lonelier, And as he grows lonelier and lonelier,
something grows inside him. Syphilis.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
He is, of course, of course he's got syphilis. Yeah,
there's no way this man. All of his friends are
high class prostitutes. There's no way this man isn't more
syphilis than human by the time he's sixty, right, like
he is, he is eighty percent syphilis by body weight.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
You know you are catching the box if you're in
a room with Beau Brummel. Over the course of like
twenty or thirty years, it reaches the tertiary stages, which
brings about hallucinations, madness, you go crazy, there's a worm
eating holes in your brain. Basically, his last friend and
fan in his dying years is a young man named Fishe,

(01:14:57):
who is the son of the owner of the hotel,
and Fischet wants to be a valet, and Brummel's like,
if you follow me around, I'll teach you how to
introduce royalty. I'll teach you how to be a high
society man, and he does, and in return, Fichet spends
Beau's final years humoring him. And because bo is losing
his mind, his primary occupation in his last years is

(01:15:20):
he he has Fichet escort him to balls and galas
that exist only in his head. Right, Yeah, it's like
a it's bleak. I'm going to quote from Ian Kelly
here because he writes very evocatively about this end period
in Beau's life. Rummel had taught him how to announce
royalty and how much obeisance was expected by the Victor

(01:15:40):
of Waterloo, and Monsieur Brummel taught Fichet about clothes. It
was Fichet also who acted as valet to the hotel,
celebrated Dandy in Witt, helping him into his evening coat
and handing him the whitest of cravats with the reverence
of a sacristan. Yet these soires would end suddenly, and
in the same way. One moment, Rummel would hold out
his arm to escort the Duchess of d Evans across

(01:16:00):
the room. The next his eyes were open to the
reality around him, the room was empty. There was nothing
in front of him but the candles, the flowers, and
the young frenchman with pity in his eyes. Fouchet eventually
became inured, he said, to the dark pantomime of announcing
Brummel's ghosts, the long dead duchesses and Cortizans, the regency
celebrities who had been Moucheaux's friends. But he dreaded the
moment when Brummell woke from his masquerade and saw the

(01:16:23):
reality around him, the ruination of his fame and fortune
and of his mind. Babylon and all its desolation, as
one friend of Brummel said, was a sight less awful.
The Frenchman would then blow out the candles, shut the windows,
and leave Beau Brummel, the most sociable man in London,
for the complete privacy and utter silence of his ruined mind.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Damn. Yeah, that's so sad.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
That's a fucking story book ending like a sad one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
But wow, right, that's so gig so. But like none
I know about him. I'm like, I like, I just
want to put it in the other day, like that's
all his fashion. Yes, like he did that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
She's just the making One thing I've read in that
Jane Austen Society article is that he of the in
the Regency era Bo Brummele created the style and Jane
Austin created the substance, right, And I think there's a
lot to that. Yeah, people who are Regency nerds say that,
and I'm not so who am I to argue with them?

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
For sure?

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Yeah, he dies at age sixty two in an insane asylum,
destitute and reduced to incoherence, which is a bummer.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
That's sad. He wasn't a He wasn't a bastard, little
little little capitalist troll, but like a.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Little capitalist troll. But hard to blame him. What options
did he have in the culture he was born into?

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
You know, and you see what happens when you mommy
blog your children in portraits. You see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Now, don't don't put your kids in your YouTube videos, right,
They'll grow up sypolitic and insane. That's how they'll die.
H l and a Madden House.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
He was a bastard.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
I definitely think he bred bad culture.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Yes, yeah, he bred bad culture. Bastard y grew in
his image, but he was I think fundamentally a sensitive
and intelligent and basically attempted to be a decent soul
most of the time living in an evil culture.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
And they got to a roast a King's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
And he got a roastick king right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's how you get your downfall. That's pretty
damn good. And also, like, from what I've heard is
like they didn't like the reason why they also preserved
that fashion because it was seen as less feminine. I
don't feel like that's what both thought about it anyway.
I don't think of him as thinking like there's anything
wrong if it was feminine. He just was kind of
not as he was just not as rich. So he's like,
I can't AISA and bring back big ass.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
I can't afford to dress like that crazy, but I
can't afford to spend all of my time thinking about
how I look, And so I'll beat you that way
and then you'll become me. Right. Yeah, anyway, that's bo baby, Princess.
You've got any pluggables to plug before we roll out here?

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Yeah? First of all, this thank you so much for
having me. It's been literally a pleasure. You can find
me on YouTube as Princess Weeks. I'm still technically on
x as Week's Princess and then I'm also on TikTok
as Princess Pendulum, where I cannot wait to talk about
House is the Dragon every sing there we go.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Well, you can find me on Twitter too much, but
that's about it. Also in a million podcasts, so just listen,
keep listening to the podcast you're listening to, you'll keep
getting me. I have a novel. It's called After the Revolution.
Just type that and Robert Evans into Google. You'll find
places to buy it. It's for a k Press. You
can also just buy it from them anyway. Episode's done.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
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