Part Two: John McAfee Is Not Funny Anymore

Robert is joined again by Laci Mosley to continue discussing John McAfee. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mmm, Hello friends on the Internet. Friend Internet, I'm Robert Evans.
This is Behind the Bastards podcast Bad People Tell You
about Him. It's part two of the John McAfee episode
with Me Today. As within part one is Lacy Moseley. Lacy,
how's you doing? Lazy? You are again a comedian actress?

(00:22):
Scam got us? Yes, and you're ready to hear some
more about John McAfee. I'm loading up, I'm ready. J
mac all right, just gets worse. Yeah, we we ended
on drugging and raping a woman. Uh so week, not
a lot else for it to go but down, And
it was a laugh of awkwardness. Yeah, what a bad dude.

(00:44):
It's it's gonna keep going down. So I forget when
I first became aware of John McAfee. It might have
been two thousand eleven, when I first read the Wired
article that I quoted from, you know earlier. I remember
being endlessly amused that the guy behind the world's most
irritating antivirus program was ridiculous madman off inventing drugs in
the jungle or something that was that was neat, like
we all use McAfee any virus and knowing that like

(01:06):
this shitty program that we all hate, Like the guy
who made is just a maniac out in the jungle.
I hadn't heard about the rape or anything yet. That
wasn't out until two sixteen, So I was a fan
of John McAfee for a while. Right when we started
the story, I was like, oh, yeah, what a great
scammers stand it up, you know, just like all most
scammeras do. And then yeah, it took a real turn. Yeah,
yeah yeah. McAfee abandoned his jungle compound shortly after the

(01:28):
Belizian government raided him, and of course he assaulted u
dor ad Anisia at least allegedly assaulted, and he moved
back to his beach house on ambergris K full time
with an ever expanding cast of young women. He gave
each of them their own bungalow, called them his girlfriends,
and according to the girls, he paid them to poop
in his mouth through hammocks. Oh, I just dropped that

(01:50):
one out there. Now, that's gross. But they're adults, he's
paying them. It's whatever. Compared to the rapes, it's whatever.
I'm not gonna judge. That's a specific that's your thing.
If they're consenting adults and getting paid whatever. I'm not
gonna labor on it too long. It's it's cookie, but whatever.

(02:11):
But he was the poopy he was he was, he
was the guy pooping. He was who's the guy being
pooped into? Yeah? Exactly? Okay, Okay, well, I mean Lazio.
At least he wasn't pooping on babile whatever. It's this thing. Okay,
that part's fine. Um, Now that fact didn't come out
into two sixteen and the release of Gringo, a documentary

(02:32):
about John McAfee. Accurate title, Yeah, accurate title. And we
will be talking about that more in a little bit.
For now, I want to try to stay as chronological
as it is possible to be with a tale of
John McAfee, because, of course, he lies about himself constantly,
So there was a lot of work on the back
end here being like, how did what's the timeline? What
actually happened here? I may have gotten some stuff mixed

(02:52):
up timeline wise. It's probably not perfect, but I think
this is as close as you can do. After his
jungle misadventures, John McAfee grew more and more paranoid since
he couldn't fully trust his guards, He bought a shipload
of dogs, only he didn't do a great job of
policing his dogs, and they had a tendency to run
around the beach pissing off his ex patent neighbors. The
angriest of these guys was a dude named Greg fall Now.

(03:13):
Greg owned a sports bar in Orlando and he lived
in Belize for like half the year. It was his
chill out spotty at a nice beach house. He did
some construction in the country itself, and you know he
it was where he went to relax, and he kind
of it's whatever. Belize is like Ohio, like Ohio of
the Caribbean. Let's not be that mean to Belieze. I
like it. You are really hard on belie for no reason.

(03:37):
It's a very ugly, awful play. I do not agree
and people to Belieze. I'm defending you, and I think
that your ginger wine is delightful. Look, people love Ohio too,
I don't love what. Do you want to build a compound?
Belize is pretty I'd build a compound in Belize. Yeah, yeah,
I'd prefer to build a compound in Guatemala because they

(03:58):
got bag of mountains. But like he has some cool stuff.
It's a nice place and books. You were just I
really hate that there's bugs everywhere. We come from Texas.
You're talking about bugs. There's mountains of crickets out there. Yeah,
criicks ain't doing nothing. Cricks give you a nice soundtrack
to your life, you know what I mean, some a
smmr for your sleep, Like they ain't biting the ship
out of you. Guys, don't go. I was eating pizza

(04:21):
and Guatemala with a friend once and he like grabs
the back of his neck and like pulls his hand
away and there's like a big, weird looking caterpillar in it,
and he like throws it down and then suddenly his
whole back bursts out and boils like it's just like
fucking wounds all over his back because it would crawl
it up him. And like the lady who are in
the pizza joint was like, oh, yeah, those those will
do that. You don't want to get those on you.

(04:43):
It's so nonchalant. Yeah, you called them about thirty minutes,
so you might want to it's fine. But he said
that in belief that was in Guatemala, but it was
in Guatemala close to beliefs know where you said it was.
I was just trying to throw more ship a little.
I'm not gonna throw shade on Belize. This is a
pro belize podcast, an anti McAfee p So this guy

(05:06):
who vacations from Orlando. Yeah, this this dude, this like
white ex pat dude. Who this is? He gets really
angry at John forming a bunch of uncontrollable dogs right now.
It's really hard to tell what happened in the documentary Gringo.
Most of the people that Nanette Bernstein talks to seem
to think that Greg Fall poisoned John McAfee's dogs. Other

(05:27):
people have definitely suspected that. John McAfee himself says that
he doesn't think Fall poisoned his dogs, that he didn't
think he would do that, but well, I don't know.
The dogs got sick and McAfee shot them all and
was apparently furious about it because they were sick, and
if they were really poisoned, that's what you do to
spare the dogs the pain. It was a bad poison

(05:49):
or something like that, I don't I can't know. Greg Fall,
on November twelve, two thousand twelve, was found dead from
a gunshot wound to the head in his house, and
of course a lot of people suspected, oh McAfee hired
someone to kill Greg Fall because Greg poisoned his dogs. Really,
I don't know what happened. I don't know if his
dogs were poisoned. I don't know if John McAfee's just

(06:09):
a goddamn lunatic and he thought his dogs are poisoned
and he shot them, and it's all possible. But Greg
Fall wound up dead, and John McAfee was considered the
obvious suspect, and it's still the obvious suspect, although but
no one did anything about it. I guess he was
the law at this point. Things were done. He was
not the job in ambergriss k. This was like a
part of like Belize that's like really well developed, so

(06:32):
like there's law there right in the jungle. He's not
back in the jungle anymore. And even back in the jungle,
he get rated by the government. So John McAfee, uh,
like the police start coming after him to question about
this guy who gets murdered, and everyone's saying it was
probably John. So hid from the police first by burying
himself in sand. But yes, he was trying to have

(06:54):
like the whole day he was straw. He used a box.
I'll breathe a through that. This guy is a fucking
he has millions of dollars. Sand. The sand is your
fresh choice. But sand is where you start. Okay, okay, okay,
Joe never So the fallout from this sparked the drama

(07:20):
that most people associate with John McAfee. He was a
major story for several days. Is the Belizian government searched
for him, and he life blogged his evasion of authorities.
So he live blogged himself hiding from the law as
he you know, blees and cops are searching for him,
and he's staying in safe houses and all this stuff,
wearing disguises which are always like, what's up, guys, it's

(07:42):
your John. He's typing and I guess in a laptop.
He does meet with journalists during this time, and like
one thing all the journalists are certain about is that,
like he's always in disguise, and he always thinks that
disguise is good, and that this guy's is always terrible.
Like it's just a blond wig on a guy who's
clearly John McAfee just like one of them wrote about

(08:04):
like pretending to be tricked by the disguise because he
didn't want Like he figured John wouldn't talk to him
if you got to come up and be like, oh
where is where is John? So good at hiding? Oh
I got to talk to you. Oh the wig, Oh
my god, I never would have got I thought you
were blond John McAfee. I'm sorry, okay, So he in

(08:27):
the surprisingly regular updates that he posted on his blog
while he was hiding out from the law WiFi, like, yeah,
Belize is like a country and stuff. I like, so
he's plugged in a Belie was not really looking for him.
They don't have the kind of resources that we do,
Like they don't have a DNA testing lab or anything
like that. Like so I don't think like the Belize
and law enforcement had the ability to like get that

(08:49):
in two thousand twelve to like be tapping in. They
couldn't even tap like his phone. Yeah, they might have
been able to do that, but like it's pretty easy
to get a burner phone in a place like that
out Like spongebobane car himself in sand blog live blogging,
he started claiming that the reason the Beligian government was
after him. Was not the murder of Greg Fall, but

(09:10):
the fact that he had hacked their government and then
covered evidence of some vague, massive corruption, possibly tied to
the supposed giant drug ring that he believed was centered
in Karmelita. So he frequently claimed to have tens of
thousands of words and gigabytes of data, videos and pictures
and audio recordings, all proving this, you know, corruption in
the government of Belize, but he failed to actually produce anything.

(09:32):
On one blog post titled the Closing Trap, he wrote this,
I have been asked why I don't release everything at once.
This is the bane of the modern press. The massive information,
not just for my story, but for every story is
too great for an intelligent digestion. In the timeframe allotted
to a journalist prior to the publisher's deadline. The press
stories will describe, but they always describe a twisted shadow
and an ill lit room. I must control the flow,
so the necessary glue of understanding as time to set.

(09:54):
You know, this is like listening to Trump speak. But
if like Trump had a better like understanding of vcabulary
words going to school right, it's still veaguas fucking I
don't know what he said, but it sounded good. At
least sounds better twisted, shadow and right than than huge
and very very Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't think Trump
knows the word ill um. So McAfee and his much

(10:16):
shrunken entourage made their way into Guatemala like snuck through
Belize and made their way into Guatemala without a learning
the authorities of either country. Having spent again considerable time
in Guatemala, I can assure you that it is not
hard to sneak into or out of the country. Is
it even sneaking? Sometimes you pay the border guard some
cash or what it's there. They didn't even ask for

(10:38):
a lot, Honestly, it's just really it's rough out there.
They're they're having trouble. You help them out when you
can write, like what do you have on you? Sometimes
you bribe the cops without and even asking, just because
you're like, you know, you look like you're having a
rough day. You don't even have to. You didn't even
do any crimes for later, for later. Okay, So John's
story had people interested, obviously, and we're there's a viral

(11:00):
story of a mad millionaire fleeing justice. There will be journalists.
A crew from Vice managed to find John McAfee and
spent four days filming his flight to look for the
guy in the blonde wig. Pretty that's probably John mccaffee. Now,
this is fine from a journalistic point of view, potentially

(11:22):
even the start of a really great story. It's certainly
a documentary I would be interested in seeing. But someone
Advice made a spectacularly poor decision. On December third, two
thousand twelve, they published an article titled we are with
John McAfee right now, suckers Yeah. The article included a
photo of John McAfee next to an extremely uncomfortable looking

(11:44):
Vice editor. It conveyed very little information other than the
fact that Vice had found McAfee and they felt the
rest of the world were suckers now. Vice soon learned
why this is not the sort of thing journalists tend
to do, because the person who uploaded the picture to
that website failed her move the GEO data from the
pictures flick from the law. They dropped a pen on

(12:10):
my man, and they right, right, I mean he's rapist, right,
that's true? Actually so and fuck any journalists would do that,
like find to wanna hang out with like a criminal
and try to like sneak across countries with him. That's
a cool story, you know, post about it while you're
doing it. See that's the age of millennials. That was

(12:30):
a millennial, Like it was a hold onto this information,
compile an article, release in a later day. They're like,
I want the likes. Yeah, when he gets into America,
be like and vice was with him the whole time,
and then being like, oh, that's really I can't wait
that long. You guys lost any cool cred bite giving
him Twitter like, goddamn with with McAfee right now, so

(12:52):
crazy murder. The only thing worse than a nark is
an accidental narc Oh yeah, it's just come on. They
made it two. Someone just looked up the courtin You
might as well just took a picture to something like
really famous Guatemal drafted we're gonna get this restaurant. Yeah,
they've got like one of the Pyramids of toll or
something in the background. They tagged the restaurant. Yeah, we

(13:12):
left the review. McAfee don't like the chicken here with
John McAfee. So he got arrested, of course by the
Guatemal in Law enforce shout out to them for paying
attention to articles. I feel like it was one of
those things where they like, well, we have to arrest
him now. I feel like they didn't even find someone
sent it to them, Like, hey, y'all, do know he
a ship? All right? All right, all right. So McAfee

(13:37):
was arrested, but because he was a rich guy, he
was able to quickly hire a famous Guatemalan lawyer. There
was a brief worry about him being extradited back to beliefs,
but he got around that by faking a heart attack,
which basically kept him in the hospital long enough that
his lawyer was able to work some magic and get
him deported to America, safe and apparently immune from beliefs
and justice. Yeah, wow, hey man, you just got a

(14:01):
fake a heart attack. He found Guatemala cochrane and just
got away with everyone, got away with everything. Did have
to fake a heart attack? How do you? I mean,
what do you have to do? Grab your arms? He
hurt himself, He like collapsed and hit his head and stuff.
Like he really put some work and he sold it.
He sold it. I'll give him credit, half asked the
fake Hart gave us the life alert he's old enough

(14:23):
that if he had just gave it us a I've
fallen down and I can't get up. Another lady who's laughed.
That's enough. That's enough. You're like, sixty eight, we believe it.
If a sixty year old grabs their chest at any point,
I'm not going to question nobody assumes fake heart attack. Yeah,
you don't have to get a concussion in the process.
And again, look at the picture of John McAfee. John

(14:44):
McAfee at sixty nine looked like he'd been eating nothing
but crystal meth for forty years. I would yeah, I was.
I assumed that hearts on its last big medical conditions.
I'm like, yeah, this makes sense, that's plausible. But you
know what McAfee did say earlier in our previous episode,
he doesn't do anything half ass. So if he was
gonna take a heart attack, of course he's going to
get it. He was gonna take a heart attack. And
if he was gonna rape somebody, he was going to drug.

(15:06):
Oh god, that's the dark side of it. You know,
why did he have to do this? I know it's that.
That's when I learned I was a fan of his.
So we talked about how I got. I am not
a libertarian, but he's a big libertarian figure, and I
have some of those impulses. Like I'm a tall, white
guy who's been able to get away with a lot,
so I understand the impulse of wanting to not have

(15:26):
rules and stuff and like I just have enough already.
Well yeah, and I like, I have enough friends who
rely on you know, medicare or stuff like that. And
I'm like, oh no, it's actually really good to have
these things, you know, It's it's fine, Like, but I
enjoyed John mcafew stick. It's always like I thought it
was fun, this millionaire nut job thing. It was. It
was cookie until I could even I could even forgive

(15:48):
if it was true that like this guy had poisoned
his dogs. I can't even forgive a murder for that,
a murder for the poison dogs. That's why I got
to slow down. Now. People of the dogs, well yeah,
people love dog That's why I'm like, if the only
bad people over dogs, Sophie, people over dogs, people over dogs.
If I had to choose between you and your dog,

(16:10):
wouldn't you want me to choose? You? Don't ask Sophie
that Sophie might actually, yeah, she's saying no. She said
kill me and keep her dog alive. It's a great dog.
It is a great dog. Well, I'm not saying it's
okay to kill someone over a dog, but I'm saying that, like,
if that was the only bad thing he'd done, if
someone had poisoned his dogs and then like a heat
of passion, he'd committed murder, I could be like, that's

(16:31):
not okay, but like passionately that could drive someone crazy.
That could like I could see someone not being a
terrible person. Look, I was on his side after he
low key murdered his own nephew was like, I was like,
I mean, you know, sometimes nephy use the casualty of
a scam, you know. But yeah, when he assaulted the woman,

(16:52):
I had to hop off the ship. Yeah. Yeah, he's
a trash human. Yeah, rape is my line too. But
he escaped. He escaped, and we will talk about what
happens next, because there is so much more that happens
next than there should be, Lacey. It's heartbreaking, but you
know it's not heartbreaking. The wonderful products, services, and or

(17:14):
objects that advertised Bye bye, we're back. We just did
some ads for some products, and John McAfee just faked
a heart attack to escape Guatemala. So now we're back,

(17:35):
we're talking about John McAfee. Now after you know, he
made his way back into the United States, we all
laughed advice for their their big funk up, and then
the world just sort of forgot about John McAfee for
a little while. Um, this did not go over well
with John McAfee because, as you may have started to know,
he kind of likes post publicity. Yeah. I think he
likes attention when you going to run from the authorities

(17:56):
that you live blocks like this is great content, This
will be some good content. I'm trying to catch me
for this murder. You would think he would want to
fade into anonymity. Nah. Yeah, So John McAfee in order
to uh, you know, get himself back into the spotlight
a little bit, like two or three months after this

(18:17):
guy gets murdered and he's accused of the murder Greg Fall,
you know, has been dead for like three months, John
McAfee releases a viral YouTube video, how to uninstall McAfee
anti virus featuring John McAfee. Does have a fun premise.
It starts with him in a smoking jacket and like
a fake background with a bunch of books behind him,
and he's like talking about how bad McAfee anti viruses

(18:40):
since he sold out his because he didn't have any
interest in it is a shitty problem. This is like
how Kevin Spacey wanted his YouTube video to go over.
Yes uh, And it's he's wearing like a smoking jacket,
like young women come in and like fondle him at
different points and kiss him and stuff. At one point
he lights a cigarette with a hundred dollar bill and
then he cuts to a stair aeotypically nerdy looking guy

(19:01):
who he says will explain how to delete the software,
and the rest of the video cuts between that guy
trying to delete the software and John McAfee, now half
naked wearing a gun, surrounded by women and big comical
boxes with like bath salts, like cereal boxes with bath
salts written on the front, and he's just railing bath
salts through a silly straw, and every time the video
cuts to like that nerdy guy and then back to McAfee,

(19:23):
there's more guns and more drugs on the table and
more women around him, so they're really enhancing this bit.
It's there. They're definitely playing to a bit. I'm gonna
play you a little selection of it so you can
get an idea of the tenor of this video. John Huh, yes,
uh does that sound about right? We'll not completely you know.
I mean, it's always there. It's watching. It's been watching

(19:44):
me for years. Every now' drawing on the fucking computer
and they're looking at me. You know, something went wrong.
Fifteen years ago. I had some beautiful software and they
took it over. I don't know what they did. It
was like the time I hired that Bangkok prostitute to
do my taxes while I suck my It was terrible.
The same fucking thing is going on now. But I
know what to do. I know exactly what to do.
Believe me, I've got a fucking flution right here. So okay,

(20:12):
the graphics in this leave must to be. But yeah,
you know a lot of diversity in this video. Why
do a a few black women. I guess that's from living
in Belize. Well, we'll be getting to that in a
little bit, Like say, that is one of the many
problematic things about Yeah, yeah, but you can see how
someone could just watch that video be like John mccafee,

(20:34):
he's a he's a card right, definitely on drugs and
that video his whole body is rid. His whole body's
always he's talking in a cadence that ain't yeah yeah, Now,
nine million people have viewed that video so far, did
very well. A lot of websites talked about it, uh,
you know, watching casually. Back then, I assumed John McAfee

(20:55):
was a fellow who had a sense of humor about himself, right, like,
I know what you guys think, what you do and
all the best ha ha, yeah exactly. The attention gradually faded, though,
which prompted McAfee to launch several new schemes in two
thousand sixteen. Now unfortunately for John McAfee, unfortunately for truth.
That same year, Showtime and director Nannett Bernstein released Gringo,

(21:16):
The Dangerous Life of John McAfee. The documentary was packed
with shocking allegations. In addition to doctor at an easy
Os rape allegations, it also alleged that members of McAfee's
in Essence gang had beat a Belisian man to death,
or beat him so badly that he later died in
the hospital, and the way it comes across in the
documentaries that McAfee became convinced that this guy was trying
to kill him, but he was just some random dude

(21:37):
in McAfee was like a paranoid nut job. And anyway,
so there's an additional murder. So now there's greg Fall's murder,
which the documentary pends on a guy who was kind
of part of McAfee's entourage that he probably paid to
kill him. We don't really know, but everything in like
I would say, it's plausible. It seems really plausible to
me based on what I've seen in the documentary and
the evidence presented that he's involved in two murders in

(21:59):
addition to the right. So now the documentary comes out,
and of course John McAfee can't let that thing just
just lie, you know. Of course, of course not. I'm
sure he appreciated the attention well. He responded to the
documentary alleging that he had murdered two people and raped
a woman the same way he responded to everything else
by being a goddamn maniac. He shot out a rapid

(22:22):
fire series of tweets, including a picture of a Belizian
newspaper with an article titled money for Lies and of
course pictures of John McAfee and several sources of the documentary.
John also posted video interviews with some of his Belizian girlfriends,
essentially making the same claims about the Showtime documentary. These
girls have been on the documentary and then suddenly they
were showing up on YouTube videos claiming that they had

(22:42):
been fed answers and stuff like that. He put up
a Medium post where he laid out the case against
the network and the net Bernstein. That Medium article included
a video where several young Beligian men basically declared Dr
d Anisio a fraud and a loose woman and said
that of course why would she rape she was sucking everybody.
That it's really a gross Later reporting by Bernstein had
several of these people who filmed, you know, the people

(23:04):
that McAfee had had film videos for him, basically tell
her like, look, we did it because he paid his
twelve bucks and we're dirt poor. It's bads, we don't
have much money. We needed the cash. I can't say
this for certain, it is impossible for me to know,
but I'm gonna play an excerpt from one of these
videos and It really does seem like something somebody would
do for twelve bucks. So all listen, Yes I met her. Man.

(23:26):
By the way, my name is Felix. You know. Um,
all listen. You know we were talking about about John.
You know that he raped you. But um, if you're
talking I am about rape. Come on, I should be
the one that could accuse you. You know, because I
was seventeen years old. Do you remember that. Well, you know,
I was working here in the property as well from

(23:47):
the beginning, so I was always around, you know. So
all listen, used to stay and um in our village,
you know. So I lived very close to her, next
to my aunt. So she invited me over and you know,
we had talks. We you know, we used to go
to the club, drink and stuff like that. I'm for sure, man,

(24:07):
we had a lot of sex and stuff like that.
There's several of those. They're all like that. You just
say that this man is in gas station sunglasses, and
I've never seen somebody's neck move more in my life.
If you want to just talk about physical physical attributes

(24:28):
of a liar, this man straight up. If y'all can
see this video, imagine Stevie Wonder in gas station knockoff.
Oakley's just above it in the weaven telling us the story. Yeah,
he definitely got paid for short. You can see this
video and all of the sources for this episode on
our website Behind the Bastards dot com. If you want

(24:51):
to watch a man lighted this credit a rape survivor
that was that was a ted talk and just lie
if that, please go watch that video because if anybody
ever communicates which you like that in your life, you're
definitely not telling you the truth now. McAfee's medium post
also alleged that Bernstein and Showtime paid sources for their interviews,

(25:14):
which would be a breach of journalistic ethics. As proof,
he included a Western Union receipt for thirty five dollars
from Nanette Bernstein to one of the subjects of the documentary.
Nannette claims that this money that was paid was in
exchange for licensing pictures and video taken by these sources,
and the documentary has a ton of that. It's filled
with pictures that these people who were hanging out with
John and were sources of the documentary took of them
and videos they took. Because she wasn't able to tape

(25:36):
John mccafee and considering how much of that she used, Yeah,
I could totally see here paying well over thars for
that kind of stuff, like having film documentaries and places
like this. I don't didn't pay people for their interviews,
but I definitely paid people for access to footage. You know,
it's what you do out there, and sometimes you pay
them thousands of dollars. And it is kind because it
is you're paying for the footage, but there definitely are

(25:59):
implications I could lead people to believe that you're also
kicking in for their story. It's not the black and
whitest area of journalism, but it's not inherently shady that
she would have paid these people. But what's crazy is
that people love to believe abusers and liars like this
when it's like, come on now, if you saw a
dude that looked like John McAfee on the motherfucker's street
as somebody told you that he was a rapist, and

(26:23):
let's say he was having a party tonight and he
was like you trying to give you a flyer, or
somebody's like, god, that guy's a rapist, he would be like, okay,
I'm not gonna go to that party, like you would
immediately not go to that party. I feel like giant
full arm and shoulder length tribal tattoos are like being
in the sex offender registry, Like it says the same
thing to me, like okay. Also, just like he was

(26:45):
walking advertisement for met and fed me, like please stop
acting like y'all didn't watch those truth commercials in the
nineties where people were melting into couches and ship It
was always a dude who looked just like McAfee on
there picking up his damn face like he is the
after photo of Craig No. I believe everybody the after
photo of something so uh. In that medium post, McAfee's

(27:08):
mentioned suing Showtime for defamation. As of this moment, no
lawsuit has been launched. There is some evidence that after
decades of buying expensive homes and equally expensive lawsuits, as
well as however much money it costs to flee justice
and belize and higher Guatemala's best criminal defense attorney, Yeah,
John McAfee was running low on cash at this point
and there's a little bit evidence of that. So despite

(27:29):
having claimed that he was done with the business world
back in he signed a deal with MGT, a cyber
security company, to become its CEO. Shares rose I think
so yeah, shares rose with this announcement. Now, as part
of the deal, MGT agreed to buy McAfee's Divasive app,
an anti spyware program that someone had developed and that

(27:50):
he was sticking his name on because he had some
brand recognition. So for a while this seemed like a
potential gold mine until the SEC subpoena then him and
sent stocks tumble back down again. M he was snorting
fake bath salts, fake bath salts, CEO raising shares even

(28:13):
after the shares fell because the SEC subpoened them, was
still up like five just because it had McAfee's name attached. Wow. Yeah,
it's frustrating, But no amount of legal, financial, or business
trouble was going to stop John McAfee from hitting that
last square on the white guy bingo card and running
for president of the United States. At the time, I thought,

(28:38):
M in believe of the United States, Lord, and if
he had ran at the right time, he probably would
be president right now. Because this is a smarter Trump.
He did run in the same election Trump ran in.
So yeah, he started giving lurid interviews to YouTube channels
with names like Liberty Pen and other Libertary. He ran
as a that's why he didn't win. He ran as

(28:59):
a racist. I mean, I mean what, yeah, I mean,
you're probably right if he's just thrown in some like.
That's the thing about McAfee is all of his racism
has been of the consuming people's dietism. He's a culture vulture.
He's a culture vulture. But he's not to build the

(29:20):
wall kind of guy. No, no, no, yeah, although maybe
he'll turn into that in the next two or three years. Transformed.
So the videos for John McAfee's presidential campaign were distinctly
less fun than his wacky McAfee uninstalled McAfee viral hit.
That video had been pretty clearly tongue in cheek. You know,
the guns and the drugs are all joking, right, Like

(29:42):
it's it's kind of silly funny because yeah, but it's
funny because like he's making fun of this image that
he had. Sure, yeah, he was definitely poking fun at
the image. Yeah, the campaign videos. In these videos, the
caricature has gone. It's not funny anymore. Not a bad
I think he is, but he's not joking about it,

(30:03):
and he's not joking about the guns either. The video
is portrayed just a heavily armed and clearly unhinged man.
So I'm gonna play you a selection from that video,
but I really recommend you at home watch it again,
John McAfee. And this does not come across a wacky
or mad cap. He seems ill, like very ill, like
our current president. Yeah, in chaos, power is powerless. Power

(30:34):
only works when there is a structure through which power
can flow, the boss, the second in command, the third
in command, the fourth in command, the peon. When that
breaks down and the peon no longer is listening, and
the peon goes, I'm mad as hell and I'm not
taking this ship anymore, then chaos rains. So the whole

(31:00):
video is like that is, he spends a lot of
time talking about how the Sinaloa cartel is coming to
kill him. He's always got a gun in his hand.
There's tons of shots of him just walking around on
his porch with a rifle, like his security guard is
like it's he seems unhinged, right, you saw it, Like
he's just always got a gun like but in this day,
it is though, I'm like, I can still see him
being a viable kid. Yeah, No, I'm not saying he

(31:22):
wouldn't be viable. I'm saying he seems ill in that
Oh absolutely, Like what was he even talking about? The peon? Peon?
Is that you? Is that me? Why are you loading
guns in this video in your presidential campaign? Are you
about to shoot? In this presidential campaign video? The Sinaloa Cartel.

(31:44):
His belief has evolved from like this town as a
center of drug trafficking to the Beliesian government and the
Sinaloa cartel are after him. So now in that video,
he talks a lot about how like, yeah, the cartel
is coming to murder him and his family. Why we
want you to be president? Why would we want you?
That seems like we have to start really invested in
more security and like you all wanted man. Also, he's

(32:08):
smoking copious amounts of cigarettes in this video. What are
we supposed to take from this? It's really weird. He
also drinks um increasingly in the things you've seen, He's
been claiming he's been sober and hasn't drunk at this
point on, He's never not drinking whenever journalists around him
whenever he's in a video, he's always drinking huge amounts

(32:29):
of alcohol. And he gains about forty pounds from two
thousand and sixteen up to present day. And I think
it's mostly from the liquor. He looks kind of healthy, though,
he looks kind of healthy there. This is the start.
This is the start, okay, because I was about to
say he was pretty cracked out, so forty pounds actually
would look nice on his frame. Now, there's a woman
in that video named Janice Dyson. Now, in December twelve,

(32:50):
when John McAfee first returned to the U s from
Central America, he met Janice outside of a cafe in Florida.
She offered him a blow job. He said no, but
he paid her to cuddle. At least according to him,
they wound up striking up a relationship. This apparently angered
her pimp, a guy named crutch Field, who she and
McAfee claim wanted her to give him info on where
McAfee was staying so he could kidnap McAfee or something.

(33:11):
It's crutch Fields, the name of the pimp that sounds
like a pimp that does very but like a low
budget pimp. Cutch Field doesn't have any crushed velvet. He
doesn't own any gate of shoes. I don't think any
of the nice he met her outside of a cafe,
Like yeah, he's like operating out of like a six Nissan,
you know what I mean. This ain't a good pimp.

(33:31):
We're not talking about like Bellagio level, right right, This
ain't Bishop. Crush Field is a very low budget pimp.
They probably not even accepting venmo or like app payments,
Like they either don't accept venmo or only take venmo.
He probably still bartering like yeah, we'll do sex acts
for for can goods. No it's not John McAfee. They

(33:52):
might take bitcoin. Yeah, so Crushfield one of the location
anyone cation so we can kidnap John McAfee. Janice apparently
claims that she like stopped talking to her pimp at
this point, and she and John start dating and they
got married two thirteen, So a few months after meeting him,
they get married, but they seem to have had an

(34:14):
instantly kind of difficult relationship. Um so later in two
thousan thirteen, she leaves their home in Portland after a
fight and calls crutch Field she got her pimp I don't.
I don't know what her life really be. Low on funds,
he must be low on funds, or maybe they had
a good relationship. I don't know. No, I mean like
McAfee must be low on funds because I feel like

(34:35):
once you leave your pimp, you don't go back to pimping. Well,
if you leave your rich husband. Maybe as right there,
she might have been going to him for emotional support.
I don't know. I don't know. But he told her
people were after McAfee. Uh, And she claims that, you know,
she reconciled with John after this, but crutch Field started

(34:55):
blackmailing her and making her leave the doors of their
home unlocked and trying to get her to drug his
food so he'd be easy to kidnap. Now very possible
these are all lies on her part, because I do
think that John mc if he may have married another scammer.
Oh for sure, he liked scammers. I will say this,
the journal or the doctor who went to play guitar
and then met him in a bar and then started

(35:18):
working in a compound. That sounds like some scammer ships
in me, like she was also a scammer for sure. Well,
we'll get into what she might have been doing. No, no, no,
nothing justifies what he did to her. But I just
also want to say that she was definitely a scammer.
His nephew was a scammer. Ne nepnoptism He was definitely
a nep neptism um. He was definitely a scammer. So

(35:40):
I wouldn't be surprised. It's like planetary bodies. These people
orbit around each other. That's just the way it works.
But what orbits around this podcast are the fine sponsors
and advertisers that support this show. We're back. We're talking

(36:00):
about John McAfee who has just married uh young lady
named Janice, who claims that after a fight, she wound
up being blackmailed by her pimp to help him kidnap
John McAfee, probably on behalf of some cartel or something.
It's really hard to say what happened here and what
the truth is. This is what Janice claims, this is
what McAfee claims. There were several interviews with him published

(36:23):
after the two thousand and sixteen election, and you know
this was all well, he'd moved to Tennessee by this
point and bought a small compound in Tennessee this time. Um,
so it's really hard to say what happens, but this
is what he starts telling journalists around this time that
his wife tried to have him murdered or tried to
have him kidnapped or something. And yeah, it's it makes
sense she did contact the pimp again, so maybe maybe

(36:47):
so anyway, what we do. What we know for sure
is that after the sixteen election, interviews with John McAfee
at his compound in Tennessee show him like really degenerating.
For one thing, he's drinking constantly, even though he was
still claiming to be so at that point. For another,
his security detail expanded from the one guy you see
in that video to like a basketball team worth of muscular,

(37:08):
heavily armed men, like he posed with them regularly, like
he'd love to photo shoot. Yeah, he's always naked, always
wearing a gun, and always surrounded by big guys with guns.
Like McAfee gives me like rapper vibes, Like I'm getting
a lot of chief key, like a lot of like
just posing with guns, you know what. I really like
that he really likes not shooting anyone, just having a

(37:29):
like who's taking the photo shoes like, all right, could
you smile less? Yeah? Yeah, can we get the gun more?
You look tougher, a little tougher, okay, yeah, just flex
your arms. Make sure the guy with a really big
bicep corner right, can we get him in front so
we can see the bicep lovely, we really need that
beautiful Okay, and just cheat the gun a little to
the left. Great. Great, that's great. McAfee, that's great. So uh.

(37:52):
In September seen, all of John mccafee's paranoia exercised itself
in a heavily armed rampage by John McAfee against his
own home. Here's Newsweek quote. September four, Alex Hendrick, one
of his guards, woke up in his basement bedroom to
the sound of gunfire. Having served in the army for
eight years, the private security guard recognized the noise. Immediately

(38:13):
realizing the shots were coming from the rooms above him,
Hendrick grabbed his assault rifle and rushed upstairs. There, naked
but for an ammunition belt, was seventy one year old
tech tycoon and former fugitive John McAfee spraying bullets into
the wall and ceiling of the living room. Seeing Hendrick,
he stopped firing. There's an intruder, he said. Janice McAfee,
thirty four, John's wife of nearly five years, recalled that

(38:34):
the couple were having sex at their home in Lexington, Tennessee,
that night when they were interrupted by their dogs barking.
He thought he heard movement in the crawl space under
a bedroom in the attic, and then fired his gun
into both areas. She later said in a statement to
the FBI obtained by Newsweek. So seventy one engaged in
coitus and found by his bodyguard naked with a bandelier

(38:56):
of AMMO firing and which I want to be seventy
one nakedly shooting up my own home. That sounds like
a great time, right. This man has impeccable health. Yeah,
he's he's he's very robust. Talk about somebody who put
their body through the wringer and that ship is holding up.
Should we all be doing bath salts? Yes, our bath

(39:18):
salts the key to hell. You need bath salts, guns
and dogs, and that's apparently the key to health. Sophie.
You look, I really can't tell what emotion you're expressing
right now. You have a gun, so you're already a
third of the way there. I mean a dog, So
you're already you haven't dogs, not a gun. Dogs. Yeah,
he has a lot of dogs. He has a lot
of dogs. Oh that after he murdered dogs, he has

(39:41):
more dogs. Yeah, keeps getting more dogs. Seems to be
a dog lover. Now. After this armed rampage, Janice claims
she told McAfee that his wild paranoia was justified because
she'd been informing on him to her former pimps. So
this is when she tells John that she's been informing
on him to her pimp. So she's validating his delusion

(40:02):
a little bit. It might be that it might be
a scam. It might be that he was just so
angry that she felt like she had to tell him
something so that he would calm down. Like it's really
hard to tell what happened, but something nuts is happy
when you're talking to a senile man with an assault rifle,
bat salt again. At the time she's telling him this,
he is naked with a gun in his hand, having

(40:22):
just damaged their ear drums permanently by firing an assault
rifle inside like John cooking outside. Okay, you know what,
I'm the guy I was trying to kill you, but
now we're fine, which, if we look at history, that
probably worked for him, since his last girlfriend definitely tried
to shoot him in the head and he was like,
all right, well you sleeping in the guesthouse now, yeah,

(40:44):
maybe she just wanted a guesthouse. You tried to shoot
a John, you get a house. So after this whole misadventure,
John McAfee told Newsweek, quote, it's a complicated morass of
a spider's web. I am the fly, and the spider
has more than eight legs. This is more or less
the tenor of reading. John McAfee has said, uh, since
two thousand sixty, very poetic. Yeah. So, because the security

(41:06):
detail could find no signs of forced entry, McAfee started
living under the assumption that some of them too, were
in on the giant conspiracy against him. Oddly enough, John
stayed with Janice, the wife who just admitted to helping
drug king Bens hunt him. Quote, it's been one plot
after another. My wife was in full cooperation with them,
but at the same time trying to urge me not
to do things that would lead me directly into the
trap without telling me that she was cooperating to collect me.

(41:28):
Janie has probably done more good than harm because while
she was cooperating, she at the same time kind of
likes me. I guess. He told Newsweek that he had
no plans of leaving his wife and that they are
still together today. He told them he loved her. She
was not willing to say that she loved him, but
she did tell Newsweek that she admired her husband. So
there's that. I don't really know. You won't even lie

(41:48):
to a news source about loving someone that means you
hate them, because I wouldn't listen if I'm with the man.
You know, he paid these bills and I ain't gotta
go back down to fun. What was his name was
crutch Field? Fucking crotchety ass himp named Crutchfield. Crutchfield. You
know you're working long days? Like hell? No, like I
at least say I love him on TV Newsweek not

(42:12):
even real journalists. Yeah, like, yeah, you know, sorry, Newsweek.
That was meaning for no reason. I don't know. I
feel like maybe you deserve it and like, let me
just research. Yeah, quote from Newsweek. In an email to
NEWSWEK November twelve, McAfee wrote, I eat, sleep, and shower

(42:32):
with a pistol in my hand. When I enter the
main house from my bedroom secured with a ten gage
solid steel door. My two German shepherds and one pit
bull precede me. Moments before I emerge, I call my
head of security and request that my detail all be
sitting in reclining chairs with their feet up, a vulnerable
position since I am standing and armed. It is not
a fun situation. John mcfee's crazy right now. Oh yeah,

(42:53):
for sure. What his dogs and he's and he's pretty
neurotic to like to think that you're like, dude, really
you made an anti virus software program. Like you're not
all choco, Like you don't have anything anybody wants. Calm down, John,
Like nobody's looking for you. Nobody cares. The year after

(43:16):
that Batshit Newsweek article was published, Men's Journal senter writer
to John McAfee's compound, where it became clear the situation
had deteriorated even further. McAfee spent his days darting around
his compound looking for partly eaten packets of cream cheese,
which he said were evidence of cartel hitman YEP. At
one point, he picked up a random rock and insisted
that it had been brought over from Mexico to help

(43:36):
the hitman with their homesickness. The journalists noted that, like,
because Maggie was like, they don't have rocks like this
in America, and the guy was like, there was a
pilot rocks nearby that looked just like it. He's just,
you know, he really lost it. These aren't even signals.
I mean, at least if there was like an avocado around,
you could be like, yeah, the cartel left his avocado.

(43:57):
But a rock is some cream cheese. Well it's hard
to because number one, we one thing we know about
John McAfee, what's his favorite pastime lying to journalists? So
this could all be an act. But it also really
seems like a lot of this might just be that
he's gone off the deep end and he's bought into
his own bullshit and he's legitimately crazy. Now I really

(44:17):
don't know. Um. The article did make it very clear.
The Men's Journal article made it very clear that John McAfee,
who had been claiming to be sober for years, was
now drinking heavily all day, every day, even pounding vodka
in the t s. A line at the airport, which
I've done. I'm not gonna I'm not too proud. I've wasted.
Can't take it with you. You can't take it with
you will take it away. So you pour it into

(44:38):
a coffee thermis and you make sure that you're just
sober enough to walk through that line, and then whatever
happens in the airport after that is fine. Right. Yeah,
they have so many bars in the airport. That's what
they tell you to get there early. It's a scam.
You don't need to get there early for t s.
You gotta get the earliest. We can sit around in
the airport bar and drink. I mean, that's why I
get to the airport early. Airports like international laws, Like
it's five o'clock all the time at the air port,

(45:00):
always five o'clock, and nobody's got a problem if you're drinking.
Oh hell no, you can drink it to name and
people are like, ah, it's fine. I love airports now.
The writer of that Men's Journal article followed John McAfee
and his entourage to speak at a technology conference. During
that time, the writer had a moment with McAfee's bodyguard,

(45:21):
an older gentleman named Pool, and I'm going to read
that quote because it really gives you some incredible color
on the kind of people John McAfee has surrounded himself
his last name. Okay, last night quote. I sit with Pool,
a bald and white haired man with a penchant for
endless Southern fried chatter and a devout belief in his boss.
He doesn't go anywhere without me, says Pool, blowing on
his coffee. He won't say exactly what he did before

(45:43):
working with McAfee, but it involved a connected family in Chicago.
I know there are bad guys out to get him,
and it's not going to happen on my watch. I
don't need sleep. I can watch all day and night.
Pool makes a face and excuses himself. A few minutes later,
he returns, holding a napkin to his bleeding mouth. I
asked him what happened. I had a tooth that was
othering me, so I went outside and asked the construction
work or if I could borrow a wrench. He shows

(46:04):
me an off color fang that was in his mouth
ten minutes ago. Pool tosses it into the trash. He
flashes a gap tooth smile. Now I can enjoy my coffee.
What okay, okay, First of all, McAfee, you can't get
you your entourage no dental like they can't get dental.
I guess they can't go to the dentist if they

(46:25):
watch a day and night exactly. He's gonna do his
own dentist work. You know, I'm gonna call this guy
and Andy King, That's what I'm calling all people who
are just this devout. Andy King was that dude who
said he was gonna suck dig for every out water
in the Fire Festival documentary. And now if anybody is
that dedicated, but I might have to change it to pool.
He's tooth out to impress a guy for Men's Journal,

(46:47):
which it's a good article, good good, right, and good journalism,
but weird, flex bro, your teeth are falling out, fam
because if you could take I don't care if you
had a construction tool, if you could take your own
tooth out, that joint was loose. Yeah, probably Like you're all, man,
how are you going to fight? I don't. I mean
with a gun. You can be old and dangerous, yeah,

(47:07):
I guess, but people can disarm people with guns. Was
also old. He chopped everybody and then he pulls his
own teeth out, So poor guy just just to pull
back for a minute. In the fifteen years or so
since the sky Gypsies were a thing, John McAfee has

(47:27):
gone from an extreme sports guru partying with a bunch
of rich adventure junkies to a very sick, very paranoid maniac,
hanging out with a constellation of mentally ill people and opportunists,
suckling off as apparently limitless cash reserves and enabling his paranoia. Now.
I spent a lot of my time when I was
working in this article trying to figure out what exactly
had driven John to such a place of madness. I

(47:48):
got one possible answer near the end of my research
after a helpful fan on Twitter appointed me to an
article published by Jeff Wise in New York Magazine in
two thousand sixteen, The obscure legal drug that fuels John McAfee.
So you remember when they found those crystals, crystalline chemical
and his jungle fortress. We're about to learn what it

(48:09):
probably was. Quote from that article. A former member of
his inner circle forwarded me a photo of a packaging
label that one of McAfee's friends took in the course
of a four day binge earlier in this month in
New York City. Now the bene was in New York,
but this is while John was living in Tennessee, not
all that long before he started shooting up his own
house and wandering around the grounds looking for cream cheese packets.
Quote the label from a package delivered from a Chinese

(48:31):
chemical company suggest by McAfee never called the drug by name.
The moniker one finnel to one pyrodinal one hex n
on hardly rolls, tripping lee off the tongue. The chemical
compound has no street name, although among organic chemists it
goes by the slightly catchiered handle of alpha PHP. Now.
Alpha PHP is a dopamine uptake reinhibitor. UH. It basically

(48:52):
makes you happy, deliriously excitedly happy, Like your brain normally
releases dopamine during good times and then it sucks it
back up into the synapses because you know, you don't
want to have too much going on there. A drug
like this stops your brain from sucking it back up.
It's kind of the same thing that ecstasy does with
Sarah tonin. So uh. It's a powerful happy drug, UM,

(49:12):
but it has downsides. Too, you don't say, there's a
fantastic website that if you're if you're looking at experimenting
with drugs the way I did when I was nine,
If you're experimenting with drugs, you gotta check out errow it.
It's a fantastic website. It collects errow wit errow w
R O w I D Okay, because it sounds like

(49:33):
you said, heroinformation gets you gotta start with that's where
you start. No, no, don't start there. Don't ever go there, Okay,
erow wind Guys. So if you're like into like I did,
you know I've done. I've done like my ecstasy and
my LSD and stuff. But I also did a bunch
of weird ship that like two C T seven five

(49:56):
mm e O M I P T uh what not
d x M that's a common one, but like M
D p V, I've done like weird. If you want,
if you're gonna do weird stuff, like we're gonna do
like the chemicals and stuff. Yeah, they do sound like
noise bands. A lot of noise bands are named after drugs.
If you're gonna do that stuff, you gotta go to
arrowit because it collects stories of other drug users, a

(50:17):
lot of whom are also chemists to have made this stuff,
and so it will be like the best health information available.
But it also includes reports from people who have done
this stuff and so. On this website, looking up alpha PHP,
I found a particularly evocative review that I think will
help us understand what was going on in John McAfee's
head as he takes this stuff. The review was titled

(50:37):
from Psychonaut to Junkie in two weeks, so it's not
a happy story quote. I felt the rush build up
in five minutes, and for the next twenty minutes I
felt the most intense euphoria I have ever known. This
felt miles more euphoric than cocaine. Surprisingly, it even felt
better than meth. It felt too good, and twenty minutes
later I felt the most heart pounding anxiety attack. I
realized my stimulant tolerance was at zero forty MILLI him

(51:00):
as a start dose with too much. I called myself
down and walked around my entire house trying to ease
my mind. After one hour of the initial dose, I
took another thirty five to forty milligram line and the
euphoria struck me again. It didn't wind out down like
it with cocaine. The second line never feels as good
as the first with cocaine, but with this it pretty
much brought the euphoria back. So this guy describes as
like better and more addictive cocaine. And we know John

(51:21):
McAfee has a problem with cocaine, right, And I can
see John having a similar first experience because this guy
had a low tolerance when he first started. John's been
sober for years and not doing and he happened exactly.
I can see this hitting him hard, and I can
see him falling hard in love with it. And the
best thing about it, of course, would be that it's legal.

(51:43):
There's something called the Analog Act, so if a drug
that's not explicitly illegal by name is too similar to
another drug that is illegal, that drug is also illegal.
But there's a lot of drugs out there that are
really powerful psychedelics. You can tripp for like fucking sixteen hours,
but there's no law against them because it's just something
some somebody tweaked a couple of chemicals and now like
this new psychedelic exists, and like, that's so what I

(52:05):
was doing. I was a teenagers, we would buy this
ship like nineteen twenty, we would buy this ship from
like Canadian pharmaceutical sites, and you would just experiment with
stuff nobody's done, and you're like, you've got some weird
chemical that you're like, hope this doesn't kill me, Like,
but the other thing you're hoping is that you don't
run into what John ran into, which is like for
everybody out there, there's one drug that will be your downfall.

(52:27):
Like it's for some people, it's alcohol, for some people,
it's meth for some people it's pills. Everybody's got a
substance that if you were to try it, you'd realize
it fills some hole in your head so well that
like it's instantly a problem for you. Like that's that's
something anyone who experiments with a lot of substances that's
always in the back of your head. You're very much
playing Russian Roulette when you start messing around with this stuff.

(52:49):
And I think John McAfee hit a loaded cylinder like that.
That's exactly what happened, is he started playing around with
some chemicals and he found one that hit his neurotransmitters
just right. I'd just filled the hole in his brain
because it's like, you can't go out and get this ship.
You can't walk down the street or go to you
know what I mean, that's possibly true. I'm gonna bet

(53:10):
it's actually way cheaper than coke because it's not dark
web like you just it doesn't have to be dark
it's legal, so you you could just you could be
so I can go to Walgrains and get this ship. No,
but if you're you could. You're ordering it from like
China or whatever. You can order it by the pound,
and it's probably not crazy expensive, like if it's if
it's not illegal, if they're just shipping it to you,
then there's no demand. Yeah, why would it Why would

(53:31):
it be expensive? Like, yeah, as long as it's someone's
making it, it can be pretty reasonable. I haven't looked
into what Alpha php costs, but I'm gonna guess it's
cheaper than good blow. That's crazy, I don't know, um,
But but it also makes sense though, because if this
is something that specifically made um and it's not made
to sell for cheaper, Like why blow is expensive, It's

(53:51):
because most of its cut with ships, so you're paying
to not snort baby laxative or whatever. Yeah, Okay, that
makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. So a lot of
John's behavior since two that's intend makes more sense if
you realize he's been pounding better cocaine into his brain
and increasing ghosts the entire time, and his what he
was doing with Allison and that lab makes more sense

(54:14):
if you think, oh, maybe this was how John wanted
to fund his medical research is by selling alpha PHP
because it's legal. And again he didn't get busted when
the government found it, not because they had no idea
what it was. It's one of those things. As soon
as I read this article, a whole bunch of stuff
fell into place that was all weird and it's like, oh,

(54:34):
he was on this weird ass drug the whole time,
and he was trying to sell it, and that's part
of what he was doing in Belize. Yes, also, it
must be hard to try to sell drugs when you
are on them. Well, I assume he had distributors and stuff.
You know, he's a business guy. He's good, he's he's
he's good as businesses. Yeah, sure, he's fine at that part. Um. Now,

(54:54):
the writer on Arrowood went on about his experiences, quote
more and more, this substance start to take control of
my life. I would be up all night. Now, instead
of focusing on the task at hand, my procrastination was amplified.
Instead of the rush, I just got an energy boost.
Something strange about this substance. I began to notice like
it had hijacked my mind and started to control me,
and involuntarily I would be redosing without being fully aware that.

(55:17):
I started to binge a few days straight. I said
to myself, I don't have anything to worry about. I'm
not an addict. I'll taper and give it up for
a week. It never happened. The cravings were too intense.
My mind was wired to seek it. The cravings were
most intense, the most intense I ever felt. This is
similar to cocaine. If I have a bag of cocaine,
I want to finish it. It also hijacked my mind
in a similar fashion. Cocaine was more fienish to me.
Once the bag was done, I wouldn't have any desire

(55:38):
to seek it again for a while. There were no
cravings after the cocaine was gone, but there were strong cravings.
While I had outa PHP, I would continue to snort
it even though I knew that there was no point
and I'm wasting it. But it is so hard to
break that craving desire. This is what John McAfee might
be on now, if the latest videos he's been posting
or anything to go by, McAfee is definitely on this stuff.

(55:59):
Because is about two weeks before this episode will drop.
John McAfee announced to the Internet the I r S
had convened a grand jury and Tennessee to charge him,
his wife, and for McAfee twenty campaign workers with tax fraud.
John admitted that he had not been paying taxes for
the last eight years. UH. He further announced that in
order to evade the I r S, he would be
conducting his presidential campaign in exile aboard a boat sailing

(56:20):
to and from various foreign ports YEA. In a series
of tweets that have just been quite the ride, he
claims his boat has thirty high tech firearms, and videos
he has posted certainly show numerous guns among he and
his crew. McAfee has a documentary on board what he's
dubbed the Freedom Boat. UH. He's claiming the government's trying

(56:41):
to rest in for political reasons, so he's trying to
like seek asylum in the exumas under the wants that
to be the reason. He wants that to be. No, John,
you admitted he didn't pay taxes at eight years. That's
what happens. He wants to be so baller. It really
seems like he wants to be like a thug. Yeah. Anyway,
what I wanted to point I want you to watch
one of the videos he posted on the second day
of his egg zile because it really makes him look

(57:03):
like he's on Alpha page. I'm gonna actually, before you
play this, I'm gonna read you one last description from
this user talking about what the drug did to him.
People around me could notice my addiction before I did.
They noticed my peoples were strange. They noticed I wasn't
eating much or at all, and they noticed how fast
I was talking. They noticed my nose was stuffy. My
family noticed my face was changing, but they weren't all
that concerned, just that I looked different. My dad said,

(57:24):
I looked much weaker, with my hands all constantly shaky.
Now I'm gonna play this video and you tell me
if this looks like a guy going through that exact
fucking thing. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, you're probably wondering
how I'm going to manage my presidential campaign on the
boat I have with me on this little speaker, my
campaign manager, Rob los you in New York. We're going

(57:46):
to be explain it. First of all, we have thousands
of volunteers. Rob and one of our other volunteers are
creating masks of my face. He looks like he's sitting
in a massage chair, like his whole body is moving. Yeah,
he can't stop moving the entire to his nose, and
it looks like he's consciously trying not to touch his nose,

(58:09):
but his hand just keeps flying up there. I had
a little Twitter interaction with him, and he started claiming
like people because I joked that he was on cocaine
because that's what I thought. I hadn't read about the
Alpha PHP and he was like, I'm not on cocaine.
I'm a I'm a seventy three year old man. You know,
you lose control of your body and stuff. And I
lived with my grandpa when he was dying of Parkinson's
at a d four. I know what it looks like

(58:31):
when an old man loses control of his body. I've
also done a lot of cocaine. And I know what
it looks like when people are railing amphetamines and other
kinds of uppers. It looks like that. Like that is
what it looks like when you do too much, uncontrollable.
Like I've seen sign language people like, you know, people
who like interpret I've seen interpreters move less. Yeah, like

(58:54):
he's his hands were constantly moving. Yeah, my god, it's scary. Right.
He doesn't look healthy, No, not at all. Now he's
posted numerous videos from his boat exile. He seems to
be safely in the exhumers. Now. He at one point
put up like a chart manifest of like what's on
the boat, and it was like seven brave soldiers, you know,
one John McAfee, four ten pounds of dogs. And he

(59:17):
listed his wife as one terrifying black woman, John McAfee,
that's the right response, and one angry black So you
know where we're equipped. Yeah, look, oh god, John and

(59:40):
his dogs look so confused, and all those they don't
belong on yachts, their dogs. And this is also why
people should not have this much money. Like this man
did not need this much money, had no idea what
to do with it. He manifested this whole life, and
it's been a really bad one for a lot of
the people around him. Now, I will note that I

(01:00:02):
haven't found any evidence yet that the I R S
actually did convene a grand jury in Tennessee. That's what
John McAfee. So I don't think that they did. Because
when the I R S comes to get you, they
come to get you, they really do. It seems like
they're they usually are pretty on the ball. They pick
you up and they're like insist on a boat absolutely by.
They don't get to leave the country when the IRS
wants you. Maybe they slipped up, or maybe or maybe

(01:00:25):
it had more to do with the fact than On
November eighteen, roughly a month before John would get on
his boat and go on the run, he was found
legally liable via default judgment for the death of Greg
Fall or murder of Greg Fall. I should say he
was also found legally liable in two thousand and fourteen
for the death of his nephew and that student at
the Sky Gypsy Academy. Now, on November six, two eighteen,

(01:00:48):
John tweeted about the judgment against him in the Greg
Fall murder case. Quote this was my two third lawsuit.
I never answered them. I always default to whatever their
lawyers claim. My first wrongful death was due to an
airplane that crashed piloted by my student pilot. I was
found liable. I owe nothing, own nothing, and no one
has ever collected. So it is possible at the end

(01:01:10):
of all this that all of this madness, all of
John McAfee's posturing with guns and his talk of drugs,
that this is all more of an act, That this
whole I R s things, whole presidential campaign, he's flying
to uh the Exumas on a boat, that this is
all just as much of a sham as his medical
lab and belize that he's not maybe even not on
alpha php and bath salts. Maybe this is all in

(01:01:31):
act too, And maybe rather than being some Heart of
Darkness style tale of Madison paranoia, John McAfee is just
an asshole who's okay with rape and murder, doing whatever
he can to predict whatever remains of his fortune from
his lawyers. Maybe this is yet another scheme, like when
he went to those newspapers back in the day, and
he's just knows that he doesn't want greg Falls family
to collect on anything, and so he fled the country.

(01:01:53):
I don't know, or he's a madman on drugs on
a boat or both. It's gotta be. It's gotta be.
It's probably got. He's probably both lying to everyone on
because he's definitely drinking a lot. That they quarts of
liquor on the boat the way that which was he
telling people? I don't know, because he's most people have
enough shame to just like no shame. This guy also

(01:02:17):
like he this is freaking crazy. He has been entangled
with so many people's demise, this woman's rape, these people's murder,
and like he has to at least be a sociopath,
and he needs attention, like he needs people to be
looking at him. He poses with guns like always for

(01:02:39):
the last like thirty some odd years, He's never not
had an enter. It feels like he's obsessed with celebrity,
like he wants to be He's like a con artist,
but he also wants to be famous. He's got a
lot of like he reminds me of Trump, but like
a way smarter guy. This guy is intelligent and that
he's not He's argue that he's so smart, but I
also I feel like he's lost control to a degree,

(01:03:04):
because what he's doing now is not as well thought,
like his lie about being in financial trouble and then
escape to believe that was a good con well executed.
This seems like he may have lost the con a
little bit, like he may just be winging it right
now because he's got some problems and he's old. His
mind's not working as well. He's on drugs and drinking again.

(01:03:25):
I don't know, maybe this is just a scammer in
his twilight years. I would assume that everyone on this
boat is on this drug too. Yeah, maybe I think
they might more be a mix of people who are
doing it for the money. Like the boat pilot. It
seems like a guy who's just like, yeah, dude, I
just need and his wife, I assume, probably also in

(01:03:47):
it for the money. She doesn't look like she's like.
None of the other people on the boat have the
same sort of like jerky, spasmodic kind of air to
them that McAfee does. I'm sure they're all drinking. I
think it's probably a mix of true believers who thinks
he's like liberal Terry and Jesus, and a mix of
people who are just in it for the cash, but
I really don't know. It's weird. I hope his dogs
are okay, Sophie. I don't really care about any of

(01:04:10):
the people on that boat, but I hope the dogs
are all right now. Those people have willingly, they know
what they're in for. You don't get on a boat
who looks like that. You don't get on a boat
with this guy, with this guy and have me feel
bad when it goes wrong on you. Right like, that
black woman is on the second worst boat ride for
black people. Have probably Jesus Like, there's obviously one boat

(01:04:38):
ride that was a lot worse for us, but this
one is probably also pretty bad, not as not as bad,
but it's up there. We're gonna put it on the
scale because that's a boat I would not be getting on. No, no, no,
no no. I will say I've had a couple of
friends who were sex workers, and a number of people
that I've interviewed who did that job, and the one

(01:04:59):
thing all of them have said about being a sex
worker is you never get on a guy's boat. Never
ever ever get on a rich guy's boat. Water. Yeah,
throw my hands into it out, I know, but I
mean he documented that she's on the boat. Yeah, there's
only one terrifying black woman that is associated with it,

(01:05:20):
that's true. And he's posted a lot of videos of
their stuff. Oh there's stuff, well, just like them flying,
driving around the boat, them drinking, like a lot of
like out of focus pictures of chunks of the boat.
Like it's really weird. But it's going to live forever.
He's got another twenty years in and amongst sure, he's
going to kill at least three more people, probably rape

(01:05:41):
another couple of people. Oh no, Yeah, this guy what
a degenerate, Like she harmed so many, a lot of people,
his own family, just a lot of people. So I
gotta ask you, are you gonna vote for him? I mean,
he's not that much different from Trump. I mean, to
be real, I mean I might pick him over Trump.

(01:06:02):
But at least he's upfront with this ship. You know,
he's eloquent. He just got a lot of presidential John
McAfee eventually tells the truth when he commits Christ he
got an army. He got his own army. Yeah, he's
funding his own militia for no reason. And at least,

(01:06:23):
you know, not paying taxes in eight years is still
more recently than the president's paid tax right, right, we
could probably at least get his taxes. He probably has
a couple of tacks returns, right he hasn't like railed
bassalts through the rolled up paper. Listen, and Trump is
doing adderall which one is better? Yea, yeah, yeah, take

(01:06:48):
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where most of my activity is. I'll read your fortune.
That's my latest scam. What do you think John McAfee's
fortunate as Oh, honestly, it's really like prosperity. I don't
even want to lie to He's got twenty more years
of good, good Alabaster, you know, luck in him. Okay,
he'll be the governor of fucking California. I've never seen

(01:07:33):
somebody take white privilege so far. God not, God bless you,
because I hope he does not bless you, but he
already got plenty. He got so much, so much. The
world is so fucked up. It's really damn like talk
about a man who's just sucking everybody over. What a monster?
What a monster. You can find me speaking of monsters

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(01:08:18):
to go to the McAfee route and just trap a
gun to your chest and wear nothing else, which I
approve of, uh and think should be the norm. Uh.
If police officers dressed that way, traffic stops would be
more fun. Just just a naked guy like walking around
the side of the road and like a truck rolls
by and a bunch of gravel gets like spun onto
him and he's picking gravel at him. Love cops ego,

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