Part Two: RAM- Lifestyle Fascism

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M fuck drop bock, drop back. I don't like Dropbox.
I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards, a podcast
where I don't like Dropbox very much. And also I
talked about the worst people in all of histories, some
of whom are the folks who make Dropbox because it
has stopped working. Used to work fine, used to work great,

(00:20):
used to be used to just dragon drop ship share it.
Now it's a giant pain in the ass every time
we need to use it. Uh So, I don't know.
Am I saying that people should go out and commit
crimes against drop Box corporate property? Yes, yes I am.
I am specifically and legally actionably urging people to do that.
This has been my favorite intro of yours. Robert, thank you,

(00:42):
thank you. That's what we need. Go out and crime
my children, go out and crime anti Dropbox action. Yeah
exactly a d A baby, I got that tattoo right
on my chest. Um. Our guests today is the same
as our guest in part one, Garrison Davis, who is
actually our reverse guest, and I am the guest on
my own podcast learning about the Rise Above movement Ram

(01:08):
Yeah and now the not Ram the NAM Yeah. The
remnants of yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, that was good. That
was good. You gotta lean into ship like that. Garrison,
never admit, never admit mistakes. That wasn't a mistake, that
was That was a pun. Puns are never mistakes except
when they are. Okay. Um. Anyway, when we when we

(01:31):
last high, it's Garrison again from the Twitter and podcast
or whatever. Um. When we last left off, four RAM
members got convicted for their violent actions in Charlttesville, and
another four got their charges dropped. Um. Chief among them
was RAM co founder and leader Robert Rundo Um when
when let when let out of jail in a nineteen

(01:51):
in June, he decided to flee to Eastern Europe on
more of those extended vacations. So he so he he
has said he has to a jail. He's not super
thrilled about law enforcement. UM, I never like never actually is.
We'll talk about more about later. But he decides to
leave the States because he thinks that if he gets
in the States, we'll just get into more trouble. Um.

(02:12):
So he goes to Eastern Europe, where he tries to
build up a media slash clothing brand of athletic lifestyle fascism,
which that kind of stuff has a lot of established
roots in that area. Um, in the whole section of
the world. Um yeah, I mean yeah, Ukraine is huge,
that ship, Yeah, and all France, um, Russia and all

(02:32):
of that, all of that stuff has a lot of
a lot of this kind of thing. Um. But this
isn't the first time he actually would attempt to do
something like this. Um. Remember in the uh in the
the pro Publica thing and within when they interviewed the
remember the remember said that they wanted to stop going
to rallies as much. Um after that, you know, someone

(02:54):
after they murdered someone in Charlottesville. Um. So after after that,
with the right coming under a whole bunch of more
scrutinty for like kind of the first time, um, because
again they killed someone in broad daylight. Um, the RAMS
violent actions got put on a little little bit of
a pause. Um. And uh so they stopped doing in

(03:16):
personalities as much and they started instead by focusing on
building a fashy lifestyle m m a clothing brand here
in the States, um, in lieu of their white nationalists
m m AH clubs, including brand inspirations like the Russian
based White Rex um Thor's Steiner, which is another one
based in Germany, UM, which we'll get into a little
little a little bit more in a bit UM And

(03:38):
yeah there's a there's one in a France too, but
I forget its name. Um so in uh. In January eighteen,
Rob Rundo and Ram secretly started the quote the Right
Brand clothing company. I say I say secretly because at
the time no one knew was associated with ram UM
and nothing on their website was tied to RAM except
all of the models for their clothing products was all

(03:59):
re member, So people if you were like following the
anti anti racist action stuff, you could like be like, oh,
this is the same dude posing in these photos for
this this is they're probably the same people. And eventually
we found it like they were they were. It was
the same guys doing like running both UM. The Right
Brands motto was style Identity Revolt, which is uh, yeah, anyway, UM,

(04:25):
any any kind of regular Republican or conservative and probably
even some liberals wouldn't find much of a problem with
their site or products. UM. It wasn't super explicit about
what's premacy, as later branding attempts would be but the
now defunct website is riddled with dog whistles. Um. The
homepage bills itself as a nationalist apparel company committed to

(04:47):
bringing you the highest quality goods. Our products are designed
both for casual active lifestyles, made for our people, by
our people. So again that's you know, our our people
quote unquote meaning meaning meaning white people. Um. They their
websites actually kind of it's kind of it's kind of

(05:07):
a hoot to to scroll around on because it's very stupid. Um.
And they they filed that was so precious. Um. The
the about section of their website reads, quote m the

(05:30):
Right Brand was founded by a mix of frontline patriots
from all around America that wanted to take part in
creating a counterculture to the Marxist and degenerate ideals that
are constantly being forced upon us from big corporate Hollywood
and media and liberal campuses. So note note on their
grammar there. I'm not correcting their grammar from the website.
I'm just doing one for one. I just want to
point out that you went full Canada in that a

(05:52):
boat section going to be even more white than they are. Uh,
how's that's the only way to take them down. You
gotta go, you gotta go even wider. You gotta burn salt,

(06:12):
throw your pepper in the sea. Continuing their about section
um modeling after successful European patriotic and nationalist movements, we
created a coalition of apparel and accessories based on these concepts.
All of the founders are young activists that have been
at some has. Some have been at some of the

(06:33):
biggest events in around the country and have personally been
on the front page for their boldness and stood against
the waves of the left. At the Right brand clothing.
We have gone out of gone out of our way
to reach out to companies and movements in Europe that
are engaged in the same battles we are. We procured
a selection of their products and have made them available
for sale here in the United States. This helps keep

(06:54):
um slash our guys slash employed and able to sustain
their struggle against the European Union and other sub subversive forces.
Um so Slash hour Slash is a white nationalist dog
missile for being like someone being a Nazi essentially um
which you know what's that started on four chan, right, Robert, Yeah, yeah,

(07:18):
the slash our things, Yeah yeah, that's that's I mean,
as far as I know, that's where that started. Okay,
with internet culture, like who the hell? Like I I
have at least got popularized. It's got, it's got popularized
on the chains for sure. Um the Right brand pride
itself on having a quote ethical supply chain quote. Our

(07:39):
supply chain is free from forced, unplaid labor, child labor,
and human trafficking. We are also committed to sourcing only
from companies and individuals who share slash our values SLASH.
When we purchase products from Europe, we are supporting families
and communities that believe in traditional values the American fiscal support.
Through American fiscal support, we are furthering our mutual shared

(07:59):
idea EELS to us. Ethnically sourcing materials and services also
includes us not giving any money to our shared enemies
or those who do not align with slash our values SLASH.
So they're not even being that suttle because they're putting
the slashes in there. Um So, I don't I don't
know what quite their audience was for this, um, I
mean there the company did not last too long, partially

(08:23):
because a lot of their members got charges and were
sent to jail during you know, before their trials. Um.
But they never got super popular. Um they never their
clothing company never really took off. Um. The products themselves
are kind of just pretty basic athletic gear with various
designs on them. Um. Some are adorned with like Viking
imagery and runic letters. Other shirts read Alpine Division. Um.

(08:46):
They had they had an anti communist action shirt with
crossed rifles. Um what what what? One of their One
of their popular designs says revolt against the Modern, which
is a little Julius Evola reference, which I will talk
more about later. Um. Under a section titled activism, they
sell fucking Antifa stickers and Modern White Youth stickers, so

(09:08):
the stickers are a little bit more explicit about what
what they're doing. Um. The the Modern White Youth stickers
depicts the dangers of wrath, feminism, homosexuality, third world immigration,
white guilt, cultural Marxism, communism, drugs, and and and degeneracy
being forced onto young white people. It's a weird design.
I don't know how to describe it, besides just that

(09:31):
it's like these things are getting like fed into this
young white person's mouth or whatever. Very silly. Um. And
honestly white Area in Resistance comic from the nineteen nineties.
Honestly kind of based wrath, feminism, homosexuality, thirdble, immigration, white
gilt culturemrxism, communism, drugs, and degeneracy. Not all terrible. Most
of those are actually pretty fine. I'm a big fan

(09:52):
of generous, so honestly, I would not protest if this
was getting injected into me. UM. Let's see. Uh, The
Right Brand school was to both set up an American
version of White rex in the within the style of
you know, the m M, a white nationalist UM lifestyle
brand to help spread their propaganda and recruit young men. UM.
But also it was to get the guys that ran

(10:14):
a job because they all kind of got in trouble
and their tree trimming business kind of fell apart after Charlottesville. UM,
so they started this to kaid of trying to keep
themselves employed. So that's pretty funny. UM. The to be fair, UM,
the Right Brand was kind of semi open about where
their funds were going. UM. They broke it down into

(10:35):
four sections on their website. UM. One section red sponsorship,
We hear the Right Brand believe in healthy, believe heavily
in athleticism for today's youth as a way to fight
against the less on spot of degeneracy and drug culture
that they promote. We need a youth that is strong
in their mental capabilities to lead our to lead our way.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I'm gonna the
rest of it. Um. They're they're they're talking about sponsoring

(10:56):
athletes with gear and clothing UM and look to make
sure they can pay people's local gym memberships UM and
trying to get people, you know, involved in boxing, in
the major jitsu, wrestling, mutai, bodybuilding, and other physical sports. UM.
Their funds also go to political activism for the few
groups that promote healthy ideals and the values people reach
out and help them with our shared goals. This so

(11:19):
fucking silly to me that these guys are so into
m M A and so in the movie Mutai, and
they're also like fundamentally anti like not just anti globalization
but anti like um because you know, there's reasons to
be anti globalization, but like anti cultural interchange. They're they're
like against the idea of cultures mingling and mixing, and
the entire idea of M A is to take the

(11:39):
best things from different cultures of martial arts and them together.
What sport. What does the first word of with of
mm A stand for uh mixed mixed Yeah yeah so
yeah so sponsorship, potal actimism. The other thing that the

(12:00):
right brands um money goes to is legal matters. Yeah,
they have a lot of those. From time to time,
patriots will get singled out for noble actions by fake
news or legal prosecution. We will make sure these patriots
are not alone and undefended. Their actions will be appreciated. Um.
And the last thing their money goes to is to

(12:22):
expand to further the messages of white nationalist ideal. Sorry
of nationalist ideals. They did not put white in there.
Um and healthy values. So when you buy a shirt,
you're not just buying a piece of fabric, which are
supporting the fight for all of our freedoms and our
identities in a new way forward, which is very inspirational
if you're a Nazi, I guess, um, so like they did,

(12:42):
they they did, they did kind of lay it out.
So but most of their funds I assuming, I'm assuming
we're going to pay to for their gym, for their
gym memberships. Um, this is what I'm kind of getting
out of this um and yeah, I was, and I
was trying to give the round people a job after
they all kind of got in trouble at the tree
trimming nous um because people didn't want to hire Nazis

(13:05):
tree trimming Nazi business. Yeah. Uh. A few months after
RAMS started their clothing company, some members embarked on a
European tour to network with similar white nationalist mm A
lifestyle groups all across Europe. Um, in their own words,
to bridge the gap between the two nationalist scenes. Because

(13:25):
RAM really was trying to be the kind of American
version of these groups that have existed in Europe for
a while. Um. And I mean, thankfully it never never
really took foot that much, but I still think it
probably could or something similar probably could, um yeah, very soon.
Because there have been other ways in which kind of
the m m A scene has been a little bit

(13:49):
sort of infected by far right politics. Like a good
example would be kind of some of the people who
go on Joe Rogan show. Obviously, like that's a vector.
And I wonder if like maybe part of the reason
why the explicit the fascist stuff like that RAM has
been doing hasn't gone as far, hasn't infected the scene
as far as it might have. Is because there's kind
of like already something of an inoculation in that area

(14:11):
to it, um, like a milder version has spread, and
maybe there's not as much appetite for the more extreme
stuff because people have already bought into some aspects of
that stuff and they don't necessarily want to. I don't know,
I don't know, I don't know. It's an interesting question.
Someone who knows a goddamn thing about m m A
might might might look in at Yeah, I'm not if
you couldn't tell from the way I look, if you've

(14:32):
seen me in videos, I'm not really an m m
A person. I am more of a run very quickly person. Um.
So I'm really not the best person to comment on
mm A stuff because running is generally the best self defense. Yeah.
Most of what I do is run on run and
climb tall buildings, um, which I enjoyed doing a lot

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um um. So, Yeah, they were trying to bridge gap
between the two national scenes. UM. The big event they
attended and that worked at was the annual Sword and
Shield Festival in Germany, a mixed martial arts tournament, and
a far right slash white nationalist conference held on Hitler's birthday. Um.
The two day Nazi Festival draws in about a thousand

(15:14):
attendees and it's put on by Germany's National Democratic Party. UM. Yeah,
so you should be able to tell what the National
Democratic Party is based on their name, um if you
replace the word democratic with I don't know a different word. Um. Anyway,
the the event itself consists of speeches, metal concerts, and

(15:37):
a big merch room and a martial arts and a
martial arts tournament. It is essentially comic con for Nazis.
That is kind of what I'm getting out of this. Um.
They have like this giant merch room, they can meet
like you know, famous, not two people. It's just it's
just comic con for you know, fascists. Comic for fascists.
Oh boy, yeah, I bet the bathrooms are just with

(15:57):
steroid natives. I mean just just just dripping, like you
wash your hands and you get h on them from
the sink. Sounds great. The oddly enough I mean, or
maybe not oddly enough, but the m the mm A
portion of the event is the largest white nationalist combat
sports event in the entire world. Um, it's like this
is actually like a very big deal in these kind

(16:19):
of these kind of circles. UM. On the same trip, UM,
the RAM team also stopped in France for the White
Nationalists of Boxing event to put on by the Nazi
group genera Generation Identity UM, who is kind of similar
to like White Rex and like you know, they're the
clothing brand thing. But also Generation Identity UH inspired the
U S based group and in the Auropa on more

(16:40):
of like the race realism type of things. I know.
Then the Europa has like a different name now and
it's kind of defunct. UM. So that's probably good. But
I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure we haven't seen the
last of that type of thing. UM. So about a
week after the Sword and Shield Festival, Rob Rundo and
Ben Daily and another Red member UH, Robert Smithson. They

(17:02):
have a lot of Roberts. They've rob Bundo, Robert Bowman,
Robert It's all these people born in the eighties named Robert.
It's it's a lot of them. UM. Anyway to Roberts
in a bend headed out to Ukraine to attend Fascist

(17:27):
r and b they tourist to attend an mm A
competition at a nightclub in Kiev that puts on events
for what supremacists. UM. Rob Undo actually competed in this
one and he lost. UM, so that's good UM. And
then whilst in Ukraine, they also hung out with Dennis

(17:50):
Nickitten Um, who is the founder of the neo Nazi
athletic mm A lifestyle brand White Wrex, which we have
talked about a little bit UM, which was again one
of the main inspirations for Ram in the first place.
Uh Nikotin was one of the first to notice the
declining popularity of skinhead culture and then try to replace
it with combining mm A subculture with fall right political ideologies.

(18:10):
When he founded White Rex back into US an eight
UM and it's been growing ever since. UM. Around the
same time Nickatin met with Ram, he also spoke with
The Guardian in an interview UM. In an interview he
said this quote, if we kill one immigrant every day,
that's three hundred six immigrants a year, but tens of
thousands will come anyway. I realized we're fighting the consequences,

(18:31):
but it's not the underlying reason. So now we must
fight for the minds not on the streets, but on
social media. So he's basically saying, even if we kill
you know, one immigrant today, still thousands or more gonna come.
So it's kind of a losing battle. We have to
we have to stop focusing on street stuff and go
back to social media stuff and try to fight for
the minds of people. UM. But again, this was kind
of like the opposite of what RAM was trying to

(18:52):
do back in UM. But after this European tour, rob
Rundo seems to take statements like this to art he
UM with them departing from the heavy street based action
emphasis that RAM had in twenty seventeen, opting instead for
more of a focus on propaganda and media than they
had even before UM. In the next few months, they
put more work into their YouTube channel and didn't attend

(19:15):
any street actions. All. This was also, you know, parsonally
due to RAM coming under increased scrutinty asen marched on
UM with Republica and Frontline you know, putting together the
you know, wildly appraised pieces on the group, you know,
despite you know, the research themselves being based on it.
UH and Northern California anti racist action and Jacanaan's work.

(19:35):
Um so yeah whatever, um, let's see. So October members
get arrested. So um then eight eight initially got arrested.
Of four, it's going to get four is gonna get
let off later um so. But after in the wake
of these arrests, they started selling free the four stickers.

(19:55):
After only four people are arrested. Um and then the
next after the next week for for more people got arrested.
So then the website was completely it was completely shut
down because they know what to run it because it's
like it was just those guys like like running the
website and like mannually putting packages in the mail. Um.
After so they got completely shut down. UM so good yeah,

(20:15):
thanks thanks comrade FBI for doing that six days too late, um,
which which leads us back to June of of of
twenty nine with the Rundo's charges being dropped and him
getting out of jail, and almost immediately the ram gap
account went active again with with posts such as never
take a plea deal, always fight for the truth, and

(20:38):
they can lock us up, they can lie about us,
but they can't stop an idea whose time has come.
So that's good that he got to post on GAB again.
I'm sure he really was missing out, um uh run
on gab. Rundo also claimed that the FBI seized all
of like the sold Ram merchandise that they weren't able
to ship out. So maybe that's true, and the FBI

(21:00):
just has RAM stuff in a warehouse somewhere, which I
think is kind of funny. Um. But to Roy's money,
Rundo teamed up with a different fire Right clothing company
to sell Ram shirts and merch before eventually trying to
start his own clothing company again because he seems really
set on this idea of you know, trying to sell
these clothes and uh and products. Speaking of products, do

(21:23):
you know where you can buy not not see merchandise, Robert, Oh,
very nice, Garrison. I mean you might be able to
buy Nazi merchandise from our ads because Black Rifle coffee
has been in them a couple of times. But as
a general rule, and we're the only podcast that can
promise that, as a general rule, none of our sponsors
your nazis. Here's the ads. Hi, We're back talking about

(21:51):
Rob Rundo and him trying to flee to other countries
again again again he loves fleeing to other countries. He
has he has whole YouTube videos on that are just
autorials for how to flee to other countries. Is great?
That that is. I mean, you know, do what you know, right, like,
do do what you love and the money will come.
I watched so many hours of his YouTube channel and

(22:13):
it wasn't good. But man, if I ever, if I
ever need to flee to Ukraine, I know how now
it's I've been given the tools and the information that
I can successfully flee flee to Ukraine. That the thing is, Robert,
you have to Yeah, you have to fly out of
South America. That's the problem because if you try, if
you try to fly out of Mexico, because like I'm

(22:33):
assuming my travel flight is going to be blocked from
the States. Yeah, no, yeah, I mean really, like what
I'm guessing you want to do is you want across
the border on foot into Mexico because they never check
your passport. You want to have a bunch of cash
and pasos on you. You want to travel through Mexico
on foot or in vehicles. And then you want across
the border from Mexico into Guatemala or wherever on foot,

(22:55):
and then fly out from somewhere in central America. It's
not Mexico. Yeah. The thing, the thing that got Rundo
in trouble said he kept trying to fly out from
Mexico itself. And the problem is when the planes were flying,
they crossed over Florida, which is technically American airspace. So
that flagged Rundo because he can't cross American airspace. So
what you what you guys need to do is go
way south and then fly and and then fly to

(23:17):
like central Europe. Don't go to London. You have to fly,
you have to. You have kind of kind of stay
in the middle, and this way you'll be able to
fly to Ukraine, uh, Serbia, wherever. Um. But you have
you have to get very south, as south as south
as south as you can walk. Essentially. Um, it's really
the only way to get to to get there. Um.
Anyway back to the podcast, I guess, um for the

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rest of after Rundo got out of prison, or I
guess technically jail not prison. Um. Uh he tried to
fly under the radar, um, so uh, yeah he was.
He was kind of laying it low for most of
after you got out of jail. Um. So before I
get to I like to go into a little bit
about Rundo's backstory. Um Robert Paul Rundo born April of

(24:06):
nineteen Uh. Um, he he was, he was, he was
born in Queens, New York. Um. His his first real
political belief as a kid was just a dislike of cops.
Um and and old boy hate police and law enforcement.
Um because he can. He's he's one of those Nazis
that sees the police as like an obstacle to begin

(24:27):
to being able to hurt and kill leftists and non
white people. Um. And he you know, he sees them
as a force that just oppresses the right and protects
the elite and protects the princess, princess princess them, princess
prince since princess. Um. So he he sees polices like,
you know, just someone protecting rich people in Jewish people. Um.
So you know, like some some something he'll talk about

(24:47):
or something you know we'll see in videos is like
him doing like a C. A B graffiti and stuff.
So like like a few days ago I saw like
um andy No posting about a C. A B graffiti
was like in the Semitic stuff He's like, oh, look
at the anti Semitic leftists and like, no, that's Nazi graffiti.
Because notes are also also hate cops. Just because you

(25:09):
hate the cops doesn't mean you are all so good.
Yeah um O. J. Simpson not a fan of the cops.
Ted Kaczynski not not cops. And then to some degree
the Proud Boys now I mean a little bit increasingly
not fans of the cops. There there is a split

(25:30):
going on. As we're reading this, it's becoming increasingly clear
that Enrique Tario, ahead of the Proud Boys, was arrested
today flying into two d c. See what he should
have done is he should have gone to South America.
He should have then flow and then flowed into the
ocean and then taken them both to the coast. Oh yeah,
can home. But like when I was like deep into

(25:52):
Proud Blay groups this summer, for like online chats, um,
whether police or an alley or obstacle an oppressor of
the right was one of the most like debated topics um,
but by far the most debated topic on these Proud
Boy chats were discoursed aroun Jewish people. Um. Because again,
the Proud Boys are just a fashionst group. Um So, yeah,

(26:13):
Rundo's initial reason to uh that, he says that got
him to start to hit the cops before he was
a Nazi. It's a really interesting story and like very relatable.
Um So, Rundo was the young was a was a
young teenager in New York. Um out one night putting
up some shoe polish graffiti with some friends of his.
Not not racist graffiti, just like regular you know, kid graffiti. Um.

(26:35):
The uh So, they were like tagging like a bus
stop or something, and police pulled up. Um the group
of teens had to all lay down on the sidewalk. Um.
An officer went up to Rundo and basically said, hey, kid,
just tell us what you all tagged, and we'll just
write you a ticket and you can and you can
go on home, no big deal. Um So, Rundo told
the officer what he did, and then the officer put
Rundo in a coup car and Rundo spent six months

(26:57):
in juvenal attention because they always by the cops. Yeah.
Um so, this interaction understandably got Rundo to just develop
a very strong dislike of police. Um and yeah, this
never happened Rundo may not have actually become a Nazi
because this, Um, I mean, well, we'll talk later about
how how the prison system can turn has a way

(27:18):
of turning young kids into Nazis. Um yeah, so real,
real stupid, I mean, and like Rundo like looks back
at this moment and like like last about it's like, yeah,
I was a stupid kid. I believe the cops. Um,
you should never believe the cops. Should mean every now
and again, you know, Um yeah, I mean, for example,

(27:40):
they're right about coats. They weren't bad at coats they have.
They have good built coats. They have good coats okay,
you know, and pretty solid assault rifles and good anti
aircraft weapons like that. They weren't bad at everything, is
what I'm saying. So after after Rundo defending the Nazis,

(28:02):
I don't know why I got onto this stray. Are
you gonna like wave your mouser on on web on
the WEBCA, this is a pre Nazi gun. But I
don't want to get an STG forty four um, which
is is a wonderful firearm um and was produced by
slave labor, But the money's not going back to CRUP anymore.
So it's ethically fine. I think it's actually it's ethnically ambiguous. Ambiguous.

(28:25):
There we go, everything's good ambiguity. Um. After Rundo got
out of Juvie, he got involved with the original Flashing Crew,
which was like a multicultural neighborhood gang and Queens who
got into fights with MS thirteen. Um and who has
a nine. When Rundo was about eighteen, MS thirteen shot
one of his best friends and then in response, Rundo

(28:47):
stabbed a member of MS thirteen that that he ambushed. UM.
Runda got charged with gang assault and I was sent
to prison and was sent to state prison for like
twenty months. UM. It was in this stint in prison
that Rundo became a Nazi. So he he went into
prison just you know, he was part of a neighborhood
gang in Queens because Smister teen were problems, so he
was in like a he was in like an opposting gang.

(29:09):
But got sent sent to prison for stabbing m amister
teen guy and then went to prison and he came
out of prisoner Nazi A post post release, he moved
to southern California and again a few years later he
would start d Y Division later renamed ram Um. So yeah,
it's like he got out of prison and like twenty
ten no in and then in sixteen is when he inventioned,

(29:33):
is when he started um D d I Y Division,
but he became involved with camera skins and stuff in
between there. Um So yeah, again showing how the prison
system kind of has a way of perpetuating these problems
and is probably not great and yeah, yeah, I mean
and it always has, right like when Adolf Hitler when

(29:53):
he tried to overthrow the legally elected government of Germany
was was sent to prison for like a year in
the prison that was kind of more like a resort
where he got to be there with all of his
friends and he had his room and board taken care
of and he got to spend the whole year focusing
on his ideas. And he wrote mind Camp during his
time in prison. That's what it came out of prison

(30:14):
is traditionally not necessarily the worst thing in the world
for fucking Nazis. Um. We had also talked about ISIS
and how it came together in Camp Buca, Iraq with
the US detention facility. Like there's a prison's bad as
a rule, you know, every now and then you run
into someone who's like, yeah, that person probably needs to
be kept away from the rest of the human race,

(30:34):
like Paul Manafort. But our prison system tends to do
more harm than good, even when people we can all
agree are bad get put in it. It's a bad system. Yeah. Anyway.
Um back back to more recent times. Um, Like I mentioned,
Rundo laid low from moste after his rioting charges were dropped,
but ruled around, he started to get more active. Most

(30:56):
of his time this year, Um, he's spent in Eastern Europe,
hopping around too different countries. Um he he. He says
he's left the US due to quote NonStop harassment from
American law enforcement. It's just sound's really funny. Um Uh.

(31:16):
Rundo has also just kind of given up on the US.
He's like, he's he's he has urged a lot of
his fans to try to leave the country and joined
the Nationals cause elsewhere. Um. I would quote from a
really good article in The New York Review about about Rundo. Quote.
Whereas ram once hosted banners that rallies declaring defend America,
Rundo now believes, as he told the podcast interviewer um

(31:38):
in a podcast he was on that the country is
quote collapsing. He has urged his fellow right wing dissidents
to fly uh to fleet the United States and if possible,
obtain foreign passports to avoid travel restrictions like the no
fly list. So again, this is part of his videos
where he tells people how to you know, avoid no
fly lists and how to flee to other countries and

(31:59):
stuff of um. Very very fun YouTube channel that really
should not exist at all, and he has like you know,
naz the imagery and all of his videos. I don't
know why YouTube still lets him on. There may because
YouTube doesn't have a problem with Nazis. So um. Since
this time, Rundos also dropped all pretexts of not really
being a Nazi. He doesn't use like gard whistles anymore. UM,
he just do you know, is full is full? It

(32:21):
is full? It's full on um in in Europe, He's
gotten an eight tattooed on each shoulder, making um, you
know in eight eight high Hitler reference UM. On his
On his abdomen, he has a dagger embolsoned with the
phrase men no freego or I don't care, the motto
of the Italian Black Shirts. And on top of it,

(32:42):
he has a huge son and red on his right elbow.
So really really really going all out there. Um yeah. Uh.
Rundo's first notable public appearance was in February in Budapest,
where he was seen and posted a video attending a
neo fascist rally commemorate wartime Hungarian volunteers in the Germany's

(33:03):
um s S Division. UH. This this appearance not only
attract attention from journalists and he fascists, but also federal
prosecutors UM, and in March, a motion was filed to
appeal his charges. UM. Just two weeks after his appearance
in Budapest at the Nazi rally, he was in Slofa
Bulgaria um Sofia Bulgaria for an annual massive neo Nazi march.

(33:27):
It's been going on since two US and three, and
for the first time they not scalling. The Nazia. Gathering
was actually banned by local authorities. Just days after a
fashiont a fascist attack in Germany killed a nine people.
Um So, there was this fascist attack in Germany killed
nine people, and then uh, Bulgarian authority has kind of
tried tried to cancel this neo Nazi uh massive rally. Um,

(33:49):
here's a horrible haircut, yeah, Londo yeah yeah, no, yeah,
it's not great. Um. I mean i'll talk, I'll bring
this up a little bit later. I'll be talking about
his personal aesthetic. Um. Yeah. So this s big Nazi
rally got canceled, well unquote canceled by the authorities. Um,

(34:09):
but people still showed up. There was a small commemoration
to a Nazi collaborating general taking place during the day,
and later a nightly uh like a nightly torch burning
march was heavily surveilled by local police. Nothing really happened, um.
But at the time Rundo had an alibi of sorts.
He just started a new propaganda project called Media to

(34:30):
Rise Nationalist Entertainment UM. Rundo describes it as a right
wing alternative to something like Vice. UM. Quoting Rundo here
quote another way, another way of creating a counterculture to
the left is by covering everything from demonstrations, concerts and
creating our own entertainment within the nationalist lifestyle way. So

(34:50):
he he, he repeatedly says he wants to create a
right wing alternative device, which is a funny phrase to
say in the first place, considering how prices and starting advice. Yeah,
but the founder of ICE found one of the founders
of ICE founded the Proud Boys. Yeah. Not that Vice
is a right wing outlet because I wouldn't call that fair,
but yeah, very still very funny. Um um yeah so yeah.

(35:11):
So far they put out just two actual episodes, averaging
like an eight minutes each. But on his YouTube channel
he has like dozens of other vlog style videos giving
different tips on how to travel if you're a terrorist, um,
propaganda tips, how to particularly your own gang, how to
interact with police, how to stay motivated with the Left
always winning, which wall as a as a video topic

(35:32):
he has is how to stay motivated with the Left
always winning? As I find funny because usually I don't
think if the left is always winning? Um really not
ever really ever videos with like fighting tips, work over routines,
and how to do graffiti and banner drops. Also, he
seems very triggered when people tell him that banner drops

(35:55):
her silly and graffiti is not good activism. He gets
very triggered and makes lots of videos defend the banner drops,
which is like whatever, sure, um, but I like. I
like how upset he gets when people call his activism
stupid um, which is just always fun to watch them
get upset. UM. While while in Europe, Rundo has been
traveling around a lot, but he seems to be mainly

(36:15):
setting up base in Serbia. UM. Having learned a little
from his poor opset in the past or poor online
opset in the past. Um. All of these vlog videos
has Rundow in front of locations that he thinks looks
a bit very cool, which makes them relatively identifiable. UM.
The online investigation website spelling Cat has tracked Rundo throw

(36:36):
to all of uh. Rundo was first spotted in Serbia
in March in a in a video titled Thoughts and
Tea with Robert Rundo. Just nice Jesus sorry, I think
it's very funny. Don't fuckers take the beach now? They
want to take tea times. They want to take tea time,
and this has always been a little fashi. Okay, we

(36:59):
we can. We can look at the history of the
British Empire and acknowledge that, I mean, fair enough, but
I don't like it, Robert, and they're trying to take
your name your your beautiful first name. So many Roberts
in in RAM. It shouldn't be renamed the Robert above
or whatever. Okay, like you I I saw the point

(37:21):
in what you were going there. So this the setting
of this t video was quickly tracked to being a
cafe in Belgrade, Serbia. In a another video posted in July,
Undo was at an event with with with many members
of the Serbian nationalist group the Hero Foundation UM. The
video also features a free a free RAM banner referencing

(37:42):
the RAM members that are still locked up. Also in July,
Rendall could be seen on Serbia on on Serbian TV
at a fascist event in which he calls himself like
um Roman. But he has like interviewed by an anchor
at this like fascist on Serbian live TV. So that's great,
it's funny. UM. The next month, Runda posted a whole

(38:07):
whole free RAM themed video UM with with video composed
of with the footage composed of different fascist groups all
around the world putting up free RAM graffitian banners. UM.
Now this video actually has been taken down from YouTube,
So great job YouTube for doing literally the bare minimum
but still leaving his channel up and all those other

(38:28):
videos on how to fly with your terrorist up. But whatever,
that's good information. Everybody needs to know how to escape
criminal charges against you by fleeing the country. Yeah. Um yeah.
The footage from countries, uh all, so there's countries from
make no different fascist groups all around the world. Um.
Countries included are Ukraine Shocker, Serbia Shocker, Greece Shocker, Germany Shocker,

(38:54):
Poland Shocker, Italy shocker, um, Scotland, Russia, Canada, Canada inside
the province of Alberta because of course that's like the
one place the Texas of Canada. Yeah yeah, Um, that's
where I'm gonna be fleeing is the mountains of Alberta.
That's my plan. That's also where one of my favorite musicians,
Core Blund comes from. He's the guy who does that

(39:16):
getting down on the Mountain song that we play we
go up to go Shoot on the Mountain Gars. Yeah yeah,
that's a fun song. Um. And then in the States,
we have you know, footage from the states of Indiana, Washington, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Florida,
and California. In US in San Diego and Huntington's Beach,
so a lot of so get like a lot of

(39:37):
a lot of groups putting up free ram stuff for
this like video collaboration. Um. Anyway, in in August, someone
um shadow boxing and covered up in a T shirt
wrapped like a ninjamask with all of the with all
of Roberts Rondo's tattoos can be seen in a Serbian
Nationalist rap music video, which is weird sentence but like

(40:01):
so like they have footage of Rundo shadow boxing in
a mask. It's like it's like a T shirt, but
the T shirt is a Rise Above Movement T shirt
because you can see the word above on the side,
So like he just used one of his own T
shirts he sells as this mask and you can see
him like shadow boxing in the background, which is kind
of funny, incredibly stealthy. Yeah. Um, so Runda got a

(40:25):
little bit upset that Belling cat Keept kept identifying where
he was. Um So with everyone kind of knowing that
Belling that that that Rundo is, um is you know,
yeah he's tracked and yeah he's constantly being geolocated to Serbia.
Um and then uh So, eventually Rundo started out just

(40:47):
actually being open about where he was and started like
you know, making fun of Belling Cat for being able
to like like like referencing Balling Cat for being able
to track where he was, but he eventually started being
like saying, yeah, I am in Serbia. Um uh yeah.
So in September, in a podcast appearance, he actually said
that he had left Serbia. Now, so he's saying, oh, yeah,
I was in Serbia. Belling Cat tracked me. They're they're

(41:08):
they're stupid. I hate bell and get whatever. But now
I have left Serbia. Um. Except in the video he
posted on October one, sitting on a lake instead lake
got geo located by Belling Cats to lake uh per
Us in Serbia. So's if people who are good at
geo locating want to know where you are, and you

(41:28):
post any pictures outside in a decent number of different
pictures you could post inside, they will find you. I
I did this later on, which we'll we'll talk about
at the end of the episode. Um, because I know
where he is now. Um yeah yeah, So very fun
he got after he said he left Serbia, he got
tracked to being in Serbia again like the next month.

(41:49):
Um in October twenty. On October, Rundo posted a photo
on his Telegram channel of an anti Antifa, anti BLM,
anti drug sticker that he had presumably put up on
a bus stop. UM. A journalistipe a journal side belling
Cat recognized some of the background in the photo. Actually
wants to confirm the spot in person the next day,

(42:09):
and yeah, it was the same spot in the middle
of downtown Belgrade in Yeah. So with enough online digging,
social media uh and on social media stocking, people at
Bellingcat were able to learn a bit more about the
video production of of Rundo's Media to Rise project and

(42:29):
find a few of the locations and other videos. UM.
I'll quote from a from a Bellycat article from November. UM.
On October, Luke, oh boy, this is a rough last name.
Lu Luca karadzu Zisky. You know, yeah, the footsteps of

(42:51):
Robert Evans anyway, Um October this Luca guy Um, a
nineteen year old Belgrade videographer, photographer and web designer, posted
a public Instagram story UM showing Rabbit Rundo being interviewed
by an unknown TV crew. UM. This guy lists w
W two are the official short name of Rundo's company.

(43:12):
Was just like a will to rise um. He he
posted that as a client on this On his personal
website UM and he listed the and he was listed
as the creator of a few of these videos that
Rundo was posting. UM a quote from this guy he
after he got interviewed by Belling Cat via email, UM
Rob Rondo reach out to me looking for looking for
someone to hire who can do good enough videos and photos. Um.

(43:35):
He added that quote. I'm not much into political things.
I was just hired by Rundo to record a few
behind the scenes videos. UM. In the background of the
Instagram story near the end, the words Smurfa Kappa, uh God,
smurfit Kappa whatever can be the key garrison. We don't
know how to pronounce something is just to barrel on

(43:57):
ahead with confidence and assume that you can retroactively make
it right. I've changed the pronunciations of dozens of words
for everyone in the world. Now, that's probably true to
some degree. You have to you you just have to
be confident and know that you're right, no matter what
the truth is. Yeah, it doesn't matter that her name
is Ariana Grande. She'll be Arianna Granda Robert exactly. That's

(44:21):
why everyone calls Ariana grand now because of confidence. What's
what's the what's the fake? Beyonce from the from the
UM Christmas episode. UM. Anyway, this smurfit Kappa UM is
a European paper manufacturer whose factory is in um UH

(44:42):
Belgrade and so then this was thanks to this about
Milly Hat was able to delocate the exact location of
the video to a nearby site along the river that
goes through UH, that goes through Belgrad Uh. They visited
the site in person, confirming this was not only the
indeed the side of the h indeed the side of
the video, but the location also had free RAM graffiti
beside it and featured RAM social media events we advertised UM.

(45:07):
And so, after after repeatedly being shown to be in Serbia,
particular particularly Belgrad UM, on November eight, Rundo posted a
video to his telegram. But he opens by saying, so
we're here in Belgrade, you know, cleaning up the neighborhood,
doing some beautiful artwork for the locals as he surrounded
as he's surrounded by fascist graffiti. UM that he does
just a tour of the area. So yeah, UM, But

(45:30):
Rob Rundo is looking for more than more than an
extended vacation. It's quite likely he's trying to look for
legal residency here in Serbia because, per public records, Rundo
incorporated in LLC and Serbia back in July with the
name will to Rise, the same name as his new
athletic fascist clothing company, fucking Christ Gave. Doesn't he know

(45:54):
that his hair cut is like not cute and that
he should just stop and try to be a Serbia
I can give you one of his phone numbers and
you can send him a message if you want. Yeah,
we could. We could call him on the show and
is not cute and not like I don't want you

(46:16):
also are used to the leg day. I've noticed your
legs are not your legs. Man. He might leap right
through that phone and go after you. Garrison for all
the police lines. Uh yeah. So via via via public records,
people were able to find two addresses for Rondo in Serbia.
Quoting belling Cat again, um um, quoting belling Cat again.

(46:39):
But Rundo's incorporation of a company in Serbia may not
simply be for business purposes. In Serbia, a foreigner who
incorporates a company can apply for temporary residency for up
to a year at a time, and can then renew
this residency with a new application every year. In short,
this would allow Undo to build a semi permanent legal
based in a European country without having to worry about
visa free regulations that limit American citizens to spending no

(47:02):
more than ninety days UH in Serbia within a half
a year period. So he's basically trying to move to
Serbia permanently um and maybe trying to get out of
legal prosecution in the States if his chargers get appealed.
This is a little bit unclear because Serbia's extradition policy
is like brand new and it's never been used before,
so we don't we know the details of his would

(47:25):
not advertise his clothing line on our show, We're not,
but do you know what we will advertise Sophie Black
Rifle Coffee, maybe Black Riple Coffee, and all of the
other fine sponsors of the podcast, including accidental and intentional sponsors.
Perhaps we Work. Maybe that was funny. I mean, I

(47:48):
enjoy I I'm okay with the wee Work ads because
they're trash, but they're also doomed thanks to the virus,
So we're just taking some of their last money before
they snack, So you work, or you're fucking water infused
with fruit that you give people. I don't think they're
providing that anymore. Yeah, probably not. Probably. My My favorite

(48:10):
ad was when you talked about Michael Bloomberg on the
show and then like immediately after bad played, which was
was perfect. We gladly took his money. To be honest,
I bought some ship he would have hated with his money. Well,
here's here's some more ads, hopefully from Michael Bloomberg. He's

(48:30):
running stef he's still running presidential ads. Now, it should
be great. You would anyway, Yeah, what what? What? A
thrilling ad from Mr from Mr Bloomberg, airing in January
or January or February, dropped a lot more f bombs

(48:53):
than I expected. I just enjoyed Garrison like stuttering through
saying oh Mike, but like with authority. I mean yeah,
I was channeling my Michael Bloomberg and my Joe Biden.
Really good. Yeah, they all just got younger, and Garrison
visibly aged by years. That's well, that's probably good. I

(49:17):
can hide and alberta easier now if I look less
like a twink, it'll be easier to blend in all right,
um anyway, anyway, Um, as I mentioned Will to Rise,
Rundo's new lifestyle brand of fascism, it's it's just the
right brand clothing company all over again, but even more

(49:39):
openly fashy. They had the same like ethical supply chain
line for this time with this description, um I Will
to Rise. We make all of our We make sure
all of our products and designs are created by those
who share our values and identities. All products are made
in Eastern Europe, so not a single hand touches the
production line that is not like my own. In doing this,
we keep our people employed and keep all funds within

(50:02):
our ranks, something not many other brands can claim. So good,
it's like not aesthetically cute and just as like just
like the font is like too big for there are
looking at the World to Rise website. Yeah, it's just
like not. I would not wear it. My favorite thing
about the World to Rise website is that I don't

(50:23):
know what problem it has, but it takes like ten
seconds to load every time I change. It's very slow.
It's not great, it's very slow. It's very it's very
very very I'm gonna text you a picture of my
last favorite shirt for you to observe. I'll talk about
some shirts here. Yeah, I'll talk about some shirts right now.

(50:44):
Um please please Carrison really ugly. Yeah. So on the
site they sell, they sell ram shirts. Um, they sell
white Rex shirts with a sorry I'm gonna I'm gonna
friends them fallon filan flame anyway, the Spanish fashion symbol. Wow,

(51:05):
that's a hideous shirt. Yes, it is criminal one, the
criminal shirt where the fine criminal shirt? Yeah, that was
pretty good. It's just like and like the person who's
modeling it doesn't help. Can I just say? I mean
they have very fashy tattoos, they very fashy's hat twos

(51:27):
and clearly are wearing the wrong side they have. They
have a they have a reject poison embrace struggle shirts,
which is like, you know, a straight eded shirt. Um,
that's good. Um do you do you have? Do you
see their old ideals new style shirt? I'm seeing the
Aggressive Clothing Company shirt. I'm also the one. I'm What

(51:49):
I'm enjoying is for the thought criminal shirt. The text
below it. We have all committed the crime of having
too much to think, so we've been brand thought criminals
who made this website skirts a sentence from the thought
criminals maybe should have spent some time thinking about how
to write a fucking sentence. Yeah, but the website is
very poorly coded. It takes it's very slow. Um they

(52:13):
what what old ideas news style? You fucking look so
oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, Oh it's great. That's really good. Yeahbert, Robert,
Robert people the one I just said, it's pretty fucking
Oh yeah, they're like, you know what for this one?
The model should have no tattoos. Oh, it's very good.

(52:36):
That's so many news style. Is that like a boxer? Yeah,
it is a boxer okay, and he's like all Greek
and on the on the on the Navy version of
the shirt, and you can see Rob Bundo modeling himself
with a backwards baseball cap and sunglasses, um with his
son and red tattoo on the side. Yeah, amazing, absolutely

(53:00):
all the thought, the thought of the thought criminal shirt
is very fun. It's yeah, the guy has very large
pecks and it looks very silly. Yeah, he's he's wearing
a deliberately too tight shirt of several like really awkward
fitting like cargar joggers, and like they have a so

(53:20):
they have a bottoms section of the website, which I
think is a very funny name to do. Um and
they also sell custom Rhodesian shorts. Um. Yeah, I see that.
And the guy, the guy definitely definitely skipped like days.
We've talked about the Rhodesians a few times on this
show and how it was a white supremacist utopia in

(53:42):
Africa that lost a war to continue existing when they
accidentally put all of their oil in one place and
they got blown up. The Rhodesians military famously wore like
very short shorts into combat for a period of time,
and so white nationalists love Rhodesian shorts. The funny thing
about the rhodes and shorts is that the Rhodesian military
band their soldiers from wearing them because they're very very

(54:04):
white legs made it incredibly easy to spot them in
the bush and they kept getting shot to death. You
need to check out you need to check out the
shorts on the website because they are very short and
you can see everyone's very white legs and it's great
and that way you can shoot them in the bushmore Eason,
I support the shorts, no notes, Yeah, Rhodesian shorts were

(54:25):
a secret comrade. This is such a weird photospoul, the
one where you can see that this guy skipped leg
to day and also has it not nice bum like
it's just like well shaped all and Sophie never butt
shames on the pot. I am probe, I am pro
but all the way. But this is not for being

(54:46):
in for being in a section called called bottoms. The
it's not it's not that it's very flat. And also
if you look at the lower left calf, he has
a very did son in red tattoo that just looks
ugly like it's it's just it's it's half faded, so
it looks just really aesthetically unpleasing. In the not great

(55:08):
bum photo, I do like that there's like a like
he's like gripping his fists. Yes he is, he is.
He's he's holding something. He's holding a black thing. I
don't know what it is, maybe a phone. I mean,
I was going to be really inappropriate, but maybe I shouldn't.
Now I'm eighteen. Now it's fine, that's right. I forgot

(55:31):
that you're of legal age. I mean it's just like
he's holding like I don't know it's just like his
really tiny balls that he clearly has caught. I don't know.
There's a lot happening. Okay, that one in a different
direction than I thought. She's like not it. Also the
crotch shot shot it's bad like normally, like you know,

(55:54):
it's like Mike Penn's getting the COVID vaccine bad in
the like ripples. But you can clearly tell not, no,
that's not good. Scaped lug day, what day? And this
is what happened? Um. So yeah, they sell the rotation shorts, um,
a myriad of fascist stickers, lots of fascist nography. In fact,
if you look at the sticker resection of the website,

(56:15):
they've actually blowed out a lot of symbols on the
website itself because they like, I guess we'll get in
trouble they display them. I don't know. Um, well, I
think that's fun. Um. But they also sell shirts from
Pride from from Pride France, another uh Nazi m M
A brand with a with a with us. The shirt
has a son and rad and a raccoon that says

(56:36):
respect nature, which again ties into Julius Sabola and eco fascism,
which I'll talk about later towards the end. Um. Try,
I'm not not not thrilled about um, but yeah, they
sell stuff from a whole bunch of other fascist companies
as well on their on their own website. Um yeah
like um, but all right, let's let's do let's do it.
We're near into the end here, so let's do a

(56:56):
retrospective on Rondo. So looking looking at Rundow now, is
he's very different than the Rundo circuity seventeen. He's he's
no longer clamoring to get into fist pights with fist pips,
with teenagers in black block. He's carefully trying to craft
an aesthetic of fascism that hasn't quite gained popularity in
the States yet, but I think one that very well could. Um,

(57:17):
if you look at his more recent videos compared to
his past videos, he's still trying to He's still trying
to offer he's still trying to offer an alternative to
the nerdy meme based right and the Larpie tactical militia right.
But instead of just focusing on physically confronting your ideological enemies,
as Ram used to say, Um, there's more of a
focus on encouraging classic real world propaganda techniques like street graffiti,

(57:38):
banner drops, and advising younger guys to get off the
internet more um and to create smaller crews of like
minded Nazis in real life to accomplish various direct actions UM,
you know, beyond just fighting Antifa. UM. Quoting from a
really good article in the new in the new Ark
Review by a great journalist named Ali Winston, uh quote.
It remains to be seen what Rundo does with all

(58:00):
of this Eastern European education on how to be structured,
said a long time investigative, said a long time investigator
of white power groups who who was not authorized to
speak on the record, but in recent In recent interviews,
the investigator noted that Pierce Undo's approach to organizing has
grown more sophisticated. He's quote maturing, the investigator said, comparing

(58:20):
Rundo now to Thomas Metzer, the former klansman and founder
of the group White Arean Resistance. Who's who's an ideologue
revered by the Hammerskins and other skinhead groups. So we
we and I think that's accurate. We have really seen
a maturing of Rundo. UM in the past few years.
If you look at the stuff he puts out now
compart the stuff he puts out in seen, um, he
is much more polished. He's much more kind of put

(58:41):
together and trying to be more of like a mentor
figure um to you know, younger guys as opposed to
like this like street brawler um. And even now I
can see Ram's influence spreading in the in in in
the young new right in the States. When Rounde got
out of jail, he connected and seemingly mentored a fascist
youth organization called Revolt through Tradition UM. From what I

(59:06):
can tell, Revolt which if you if you're familiar with
Uprising a guide from Portland's UM, Revolt through Tradition, it's
essentially the fascist Why I left from what I can
kind of gather here, Yeah, yeah, because like they have
a lot of the same aesthetics. They're kind of you know,
anti modernism, anti tech. I I don't want to say
anti sieve because they're anti civilization, but they're but they're

(59:27):
they're anti modern society in the same way you know,
a fascist is in terms of like a fascist like
a Julius Savola fascist, which I might very well write
a bachar Baschard's episode on Later because I I think,
you know, his influence on RAM and stuff like Revolt
through Tradition is uh is going to be more concerning
when I see like intersection with eco fascism and this

(59:48):
kind of you know, very direct action based kind of
fashionst a Vola a little bit on our Savitri dev episodes.
And he's someone who worries me a lot bigause I mean,
for one thing, he's Steve Bannon's favorite philosopher. Like he's
actually extremely influential um but not in a way like
he like the vast majority of people, even people who
consider themselves knowledgeable about fascism have never heard his name

(01:00:10):
because he's he's not like a very showy influencer, but
he influences people that you do know, and he's yeah,
he's he's a very serious person to be concerned about.
I mean, he's been dead for years, but his ideas,
his writing, Yeah, I mean Amazon sells tons of Evola books,
which is very bad. It's great they they what they like.

(01:00:30):
They feature his book a handbook for right wing youth,
which they should not be selling. It's a very dangerous
text that should not be sold on Amazon. Like that
shouldn't be happening. That's very bad. Um. Yeah, shocker, he's
he's a big supporter of revolting through Tradition. Yeah. So

(01:00:51):
Revolt has released a few videos very you know, reminiscent
of rams early stuff, while also drawing a little bit
from Adam offin style videos. Um. But you know they
practice physical training. Um, except they've learned from Ram's mistakes
and in all the videos they're wearing as sensibly black
block um. From their website, uh quote, Revolt for Tradition

(01:01:15):
is a meta political organization and a movement, not a club.
We seek to we seek others to build a community
through education, culture, activism, and health and healthy lifestyle. We
seek those who are willing to stand up for something. Um.
They they have they have topics. They've articles of topics
from like European martial arts to the war the warrior mentality.
Here's that again, um, and standing against standing against degeneracy

(01:01:38):
and modernism and you know, very much like anti anti
modern society, anti tech people need to go into the woods,
you know, reminiscent of you know, Ted Kaczynski stuff. And
you know, Julie Savola was saying the same things back
in his day. Um. Yeah, So a lot of this
kind of stuff I'm seeing popping up more. And when
this intersect with the eco fascism, I think we're gonna

(01:01:58):
have a real problem. Um um yeah. The we we're seeing,
we're seeing a lot of in um and like Revolt
is actively growing like there, their telegram is very active.
They're posting more videos on YouTube. Um. I'm seeing like
their membership grow from from you know, watching what kind
of videos they put out, you know, a year ago

(01:02:19):
compared to now. They have different you know, people in
different cities popping up now, different kind of chapters. So
like it is, it is very it's it's it's an active.
It's an active problem because they're actively recruiting like youth
and you know, like um, like you know, teens and
people in their young twenties, UM to try to you know,
get into this very you know, like meta politics kind
of thing because like their goals to get people out

(01:02:40):
of electoralism and go on like social media and everything,
social media, Facebook, Twitter, Parlor. They don't have a pod,
but I'll talk talk talk. I'll talk about pod podcasting
soon because Rundo is trying to start one good oh,
I'm sure you should let me know if you need
some advice to drink four o nine. But yeah, like

(01:03:03):
they're basically the goal, Rundo and you know, Revolt Revolt
through Traditions goal is to you know, take disenfranchised youth
who are you know, on the right and trying to
get them to go beyond like electoralism, you know, try
try to break them out of the electoral cycle, you know,
walk away from the Republican Republican Party and start doing
like actual direct actions. This is called like meta politics,

(01:03:24):
trying to combine political activism but not in the framework
of electoralism, trying to bring it into like, you know,
just the mainstream culture and how you live your everyday life.
Um yeah, the uh so, with with the right getting
more and more disenfranchised and disaffected with Trump's loss, I
can see groups like this growing substantially than the next

(01:03:44):
four years, the same way anti fascists grew under you know,
the previous four years. Um yeah, um. Rundo actually also
sells Revolt through Tradition stickers on his website. Yeah, which
I've seen, I've seen. I've seen stickers get being posted
in Seattle, all across the south all across the east coast,
west coast. I'm seeing robots of tradition STIUL pop up

(01:04:05):
in a lot of spots. Um. Yeah, I'm particularly kind
of watching this group right now. Um. I'm gonna quote
the New York The New York Review article again for
more on this topic. Quote. Rundo also drew on the
writings of fascist philosopher Julius Sevola to conceive of the
Rise Above movement as a meta political organization that would
foster its own culture, making it independent of Western commercial culture,

(01:04:26):
which Undo believes is sapping the vitality of white Americans
with mainstream TV subs, substance adiction, young food, and multicultural values.
Following a Vola's teaching, he believed the right can provide
wayward white youth with the direction and purpose in life
through political and physical education. This would equip young cadreds
to quote revolt against the modern world in the words

(01:04:47):
of a Vola. Um and that Ram ram made that
basically it's credo to prepare them to confront ideological imponents. Quote.
They did nothing with electoral politics, but they did everything
with street politics and building a countercall culture. Ram Uh,
founder of Rundo said of casta proud and Italian fashion organization.
So again, focus on moving away from electoral electoralism and

(01:05:09):
doing you know, building a culture within the youth to
kind of get more national's ideas into the mainstream. That
is achievable not through electoral politics, but through direct action.
Um so yeah. What what Rundo himself brought to this project,
um was a degree of charisma that made him able
to recruit others quoting him again, everything we can do

(01:05:31):
that's outside the mainstream, outside of their poison, outside of
their poison, we need to do so again, trying to
get out of the mainstream and getting out of electoralism.
Um so yeah. I mean Rundo does have a weird
kind of charisma, like he's not he's not, I don't know,
Like I watched so many Rundo videos in the past
month or so, um, and he he definitely has something

(01:05:53):
that he is getting much better at engaging with audiences
over over video and over audio. He's he's definitely learning
how to do that. Um uh. And I so earlier,
um like last month, I GA located a new Robert
Rundo video back to Serbia because actually he Rundo was
in the States in November, UM, and then we kind

(01:06:15):
of didn't know where he was. He posted a new
video in December and he was back in Serbia, back
in Belgrade. I posted I found the exact location of
the video. UM, and I posted on Twitter about and
I had like people in my comments saying that, like,
I shouldn't be talking about Rundo because he's too attractive
and charismatic quote unquote, which I will push back on,
like have they seen his haircut? Like if you're problem

(01:06:37):
with to look at Hitler? Okay, that was That was okay,
But like my point is, like, if you're saying I shouldn't,
like people shouldn't talk about these guys because they're too
charismatic and attractive, maybe you should do some inner thinking
because I think there's a way to talk about these
guys and the fact that you're calling it attractive, um,

(01:07:01):
instead of focusing on all the bad things, I think
maybe you should do some reflection. Um. I don't know,
it's just a weird, weird, weird, weird thing. UM, because
there needs to be a way to talk about and
worrying about what these guys are trying to do and
what they're gonna and how they're going to try to
recruit youth in the next four years because they are
going to they're gonna try to recruit a lot of
disaffected teams and disappected people in their twenties. Um so. Uh.

(01:07:23):
The federal appeal on Onondow's charges is still being granted
and um and if he has to face another trial, um,
which is still a big if, um, because we don't
know that. It depends on if it it depends if
the appeal gets granted. Um so. But but even if
he does have to face trial, his mark has been left.
And at this point, it's just kind of reducing how much, um,
how much that how much the market's left can spread? Right?

(01:07:46):
Will we have to deal with only a few branch
off organizations or many many more? Right? Are we have
to mainly focus them like revolt through tradition and the
remnants of ram or is this going to spread you
know wildly and you know, you know, impact the stuff
the same way like the Proud Boys? Will I I
don't know yet. Um. Would his conviction for you know what,

(01:08:06):
his conviction on his violence set a precedent for a
fashion street violence for federal charges or when he becomes
a murder I don't know. I I don't I don't
really know what that's gonna do, because I mean, Ben
Dailey is already arrested and in federal prison, so I
don't know how much. I mean, Rundo was more you know, visible,
But I don't know if his conviction would really be
meaningful in any way or if he'll just turn him

(01:08:26):
into more of a marder. I'm not sure about that either. Um,
and all that depends if he tries to flee and
if if which would be very funny, if he tries
to flee again, or if he tries tries to still
still still hiding in in Serbia because Serbia does have
a brand new extradition treaty, but no one's been no
one's ever been extraded through through the treaty before. Um
it just started in so we don't know if that

(01:08:47):
will actually hold. Um. Yeah, So I mean and if
and if he does, all that means is that all
have more fun and more glocation nerds will have more
fun trying to find him. Um. In the meantime, he
has like three YouTube channels, so we can try to
I don't know. They probably shouldn't exist. Um he has.
Uh yeah, they're called like media to rise in different
variations that thereof He shouldn't have YouTube channels, Uh he

(01:09:10):
does not the stuff and all of them. This this
should not be happening. And uh, just a few days
ago as of this recording, he announced he's starting a podcast.
Oh good, yeah, away from our platform. So his podcast,
he says, it's gonna be about nationalist lifestyle activism like demos, demonstrations, brawls, competitions, um,

(01:09:35):
and how to deal with law enforcement. He said, it's
it's it's he said, it's not about theory, it's not
about political commentary. It's about actual you know, meta politics,
Like it's actually like about getting your politics to be
part of just your everyday culture and everyday life. Um.
So Robert, for you guys, you know you, you guys
have will have a new podcasting rival and some some something.

(01:09:56):
So something for me that's gonna be interesting is He
also announced he's making a short film, So I have
a new rifle in the short film Seed and he
said it's a short film with costumes. He was very happy,
He's very happy that they had costumes. I bet those
costumes are very exciting, so we have that to look
forward to. Um, he's he's still he's, he's he's he's

(01:10:18):
still in Serbia. He's still in Belgrade or Belgrade. Um.
He posted a video like a two days ago of
him at his factory in Belgrade, so he's still there.
Um and I re located him there back in December,
so he's absolutely still in in in in Serbia. Yeah. Um,
YouTube channels, podcast, short film. He shouldn't have YouTube channel.
So if we can get those down, I don't know

(01:10:39):
if if if we can bully YouTube enough to take
those down, that would be good. Um, because they really shouldn't.
They really shouldn't have that YouTube. Yeah, do better. Also,
good luck with your podcast, I don't know. Yeah, well,
I mean, obviously good luck with your podcast. Podcasting solidarity
of course. Yeah, that's the most important thing. That's basically

(01:11:00):
all I have on a Roberundo and movement, and they're
fashion lifestyle brand that they're trying to develop and sell
very bad T shirts for and Rhodesian shorts. Yeah, I
mean critical support to Rhodesian shorts. Um, real alright, everybody, real,
helpers it because this has been behind the bastards. We'll

(01:11:21):
be back next week with more terrible people and at
some point in the future to talk about Julius A.
Vola or maybe to talk about I t S which
is you're all going to really enjoy learning about when
when that becomes appropriate? Yeah, really really not thrilled about. Yeah,
I mean I Vola stuff for multi tradition stuff. Um,

(01:11:41):
when we get more people, Yeah, it's eco fascism. It's
gonna be it's gonna be a real issue. It's gonna
kill somebody someone listening to this podcast knows. And don't
forget to follow Garrison on Twitter at hung Hungry bow Tie.
And if you want to buy better fitting T shirts,
you have a T public store, so I have, yeah,

(01:12:03):
and of our profits go to NAA funding my gym membership.
All right, that's hi, Garrison Davis here with a little
a little hot steamy Robert Rundo updates. Sorry, I I
don't know why I phrased it like that, but we
do have an update on um our not friend Robert Rundo. Um.

(01:12:25):
Since I recorded the first few episodes of this back
in January. Of course that that was before the siege
at the Capitol and a whole bunch of stuff that's
kind of happened since then, um starting with starting with
Rundo himself. It was reported in February that here I

(01:12:45):
will just read a headline from Global Voices. It's also
reported by various other news outlet's. This is this is legit.
Here's the headline quote. Serbia expels us neo Nazi after
investigative website belling Cat outed his location. So Robert Rundo
has actually been kicked out of Serbia during February, which
is really interesting. So he is not going to be

(01:13:08):
allowed to stay in Serbia anymore. He is not he's
and he's he's presumably not there at the moment. We'll
still need to figure out where he is in the future,
but he will probably not be in Serbia because you're
not not not allowed to be there anymore. Now, there's
a various other places around the globe that he could
be trying to stay in the Ukraine nearby and Russia.

(01:13:29):
So so that that that is that is very interesting
that he's no longer in Serbia after months and months
of reporting from belling Cat showing that he is still there.
And then I still confirmed in December that he was
still there, So that is that is Uh, that's really interesting.
Of course, it's it's always good to know where guys
like this are. UM. But you know this, this is

(01:13:52):
good for the people in Serbia, uh, and the people
in the city he was in that he's not going
to be there anymore. That is that is that is good.
The other interesting piece of Rundo information and updated intail
that we have is that then in March, so the
following month, the appeal to reinstate his rioting charges was granted,

(01:14:18):
So the federal charges he has against him are now
able to be prosecuted against UM. Once again, the the
the ninth ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that
the Federal Rioting Act does not violate free speech and
the charges that he was the charges charges he was

(01:14:39):
charged with do not do not actually violate free free
speech laws. So they UM went back on the twenty
nineteen ruling that a federal judge made because very UM,
you know, appeals on the federal level are not very
common for them to be granted. So this is this
is really interesting that he's gonna that he is he

(01:14:59):
poss sibly might go to trial of now on these
rioting charges. Let's see. And so these rioting I know
back in there was it was like six hundred days
from the time that he did those violent assaults and
then got arrested charged for it. So now it being

(01:15:21):
like one, I don't know how many that's so so
many more days. It's more than twelve, more than one
thing more than like, it's probably more than one thousand,
three hundred or one thousand four hundred days since he
did these violent assaults. And it's actually gonna go to
if he's gonna go to trial for them, it'll be
you know, upcoming here. So that's that. That's that's been.

(01:15:43):
It's been a long time, but it it is uh,
it is nice to see that he will be facing
some consequences for him, you know, randomly attacking people in
black hoodies um and beating children up on the ground.
So those charges are reinstated. So those those the two
main Rendow updates. Now again we don't know where he's
at the moment um he could you know, best guesses

(01:16:05):
are Ukraine or Russia. They have different extradition rules, but
we're not sure if Ukraine and Russia is gonna let
him stay there. And we we we know, we know
he has friends there, but I'm not sure what the
government is gonna do when they if they find out
that he's you know, trying trying to live there. So
that's everything on the rundow side of On the other
on the other side of things, remember are also not

(01:16:26):
friends at Revolt through Tradition, the kind of fashy traditionalist
youth group inspired by Julie Sevola. They have now been
UM pretty effectively d platformed after the January six riots
at the Capitol. And I mean more than riots. They
were trying to, you know, do a fascist coup. So

(01:16:46):
all of Revolt through Traditions, websites, UM, YouTube channels, social
media accounts, all of them have been joined. They're all
they are all gone. The they really the only really,
the only thing they have left is their telegram channel UM,
which makes recruiting much more difficult. So it is fantastic
to have them not be given you know, their Twitter, Facebook,

(01:17:09):
UM and YouTube platforms, as well as their website, which
was honestly a well designed website, so that it is
very good to see that happen. UM. This is you know,
this is a great example of an effective use of
d platforming. No one really is making a big deal
out of it, no one, you know, it's not it's
not like the big show. It's just, yeah, quietly, these

(01:17:29):
things are getting taken down, and that makes that makes
the uh, that makes the recruiting possibilities much more much
more difficult. Uh. Speaking of YouTube channels, let's check Rundo's. So,
Rundo's still does have some of his YouTube channels up um.
I know he had a lot, but it looks like

(01:17:50):
some of his previous ones have been deleted. Um. But
that's not you know, that's so that's that is good.
That is good that he has less channel s now
he has less videos, but still he still does have
at least at least two channels up um right now
on on YouTube. I think all yeah media to rise

(01:18:12):
and documentary series media to rise. So his his main
channel was taken down, that's great, but we still have
these other channels that he's trying to, you know, um,
recruit off of. So that that is the status of
Rundo and tradition at the moment um. Remote tradition is
kind of in shambles because they don't know what to
do now that they basically have no Internet presence that

(01:18:35):
norms can see. And Rundo's looking for a new hoe
because he's been kicked out of Serbia. So that's that's that,
that's what's happened since then, you know, not enough information
to warrant a hole another episode. I just thought I
would tack this on to the end, So have have
a wonderful day, Um, the rest of you beautiful humans.
Don't don't don't try to do a fascist too and

(01:18:56):
then have your Twitter accounts and YouTube's deleted, and don't
start a fascist clothing company. Doesn't doesn't seem to work
out well. This is This is Garrison Davis signing off.
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