Part Two: The Bastard Who Invented Homeopathy

In Part Two, Robert is joined again by Billy Wayne Davis to continue discussing Samuel Hahnemann and homeopathy.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's testing my fringe medical beliefs. I REMEMBERT Evans hosted
Behind the Bastard's Back with Billy Wayne Davis for part
two of our homeopathy episode and Providence. I think God
himself has presented us Billy Wayne with an opportunity here.
I think that's what that's how mad, that's how medicine work,
super Producers. Sophie has an earache that that is that

(00:22):
is rather painful at the moment. She's not sure why,
and traditional meal is not dealt with it. It hurts.
It hurts what kind of pain? It's like throbbing, like
actual pain, like the inside of the ear. Did you
stick anything in there? I mean I just put no,
you can rupture your ear drum. I don't think it's

(00:44):
that it doesn't feel like that because I can still here.
Would I not be able to hear? I don't know
if that's how it works. What I do know is
that it's time to test Machettison out. Now. I'm with this.
We have to do this as a double blind study,
which means, Sophie, you're going to close your eye, We're
gonna hand to make you blind twice. We're gonna we're
gonna hand you both a machete and another kind of

(01:05):
non machete knife, and you have to hit something with both,
and then you tell us which one you feel better after,
and that will be a real medical study, that will
that will forever prove the validity of machetes you used
to make sure Anderson doesn't get harmed. Anderson, Anderson, your
mom's blind and wielding machette. Come over here, Come on,
your mom's blind and wielding machete. Good, Anderson, get over here. No,

(01:28):
don't be right under her with the machete that's protecting me.
She's a body. Okay, Sorry, you gotta close your eyes. Okay, okay,
she's under the table. Close your eyes. Okay. We're giving
you a random bladed object, may or may not be
a machete. No way to know. It's definitely my eyes.
I can tell by the weight I'm gonna. I'm gonna

(01:49):
guide your hand down towards the object of the copy
of basic instinct that you're gonna hit, just so you
know where it is. Now, rear up and and hit
it real hard. Anderson's okay, Yeah, Anderson's fine, Okay, all right,
that's the first one. That's the first one. Now let's
scientifically note. Do you feel any different in your ears?

(02:11):
M okay, now close your eyes, close your eyes, giving
you another random bladed object. No, I didn't know what
it is. Now I'm gonna guide your head down, hand
down again to the copy of basic Basic in stink.
I want to scoot back just a little bit so
you can get more strength. You still sayers, Now again,
rear up with all your might and just whack it.
Whack it real good. Holy shit, that felt good to watch, now, Sophie,

(02:35):
you don't know in either case what you were holding. Yeah,
it's powerful. Do you does your ear feel better? We
have a sport to play after this, don't up our ball.
How's your ear feeling? It still hurts, but my ego sorry,
it still hurts, but my but my ego feels great,

(02:57):
which is an important part emotionally powerful. It's good yogurt? Right,
Do you feel confident? Yeah? Okay, that was a funny
way to answer that question, like, yeah, my dog wasn't harmed,
so that's always good. Um, which felt better the big one? Yeah?

(03:24):
M hm? So what if you knew how to use
the little ones better? I mean, that would just be
a completely different studies. I'm doing a shitty metaphor there. Well,
we would have to do some research. Really, I'm not
a scientist, nor am I a doctor, but I think

(03:46):
this scientifically proves that Michettison is a valid branch of
medical science. Yep, she's still here. Yep, you're not dead,
and I think your ear is gonna heal as a
result of this. If you do get better, it's because
of the machete or the dagger. We don't know, because
this was not in the actuality a double blind study,

(04:07):
but it might mean that just mixing types of knives,
I just came up with the first principle of machettison.
With homeopathy, it's like cares like, and with Michettison it's
knife cares knife. Now we've got an actual practice. Now
it's happening here. Marketing. Also, more is more, more, more,

(04:31):
the more, the more, the more knives you got, the
better you are as a doctor. Shit, I have some
uncles that are going to be the best doctors in
the world. They're still alive there, assume Propter Hawk. I
don't know doctor talk, but my brother is a doctor,

(04:51):
and I'm sure your brother brother will agree when he
hears this episode that this is my podcast. He's out
there saving lives. Well, he would be saving more live
if you listen to the study we just conducted and
the rare chans you do listen to us. Hi, Jake, Jake,
give up conventional medicine, start practicing Machettison, Machettison, Doctor Moore,

(05:13):
Dr Jake Lichtman, Machet, bleep that name out. Nope, cures lot,
it cures baldness, It definitely cures low t eat erectile dysfunction.
Oh yeah, I don't even need a dick when you
get a knife now. Yeah, yeah, Wow, let's start this episode.

(05:38):
Five and a half minutes later, we had to test Machettison, Sophie. Sorry.
So over five million American adults and one million American
children currently use homeopathy on a regular basis, which is
too many. So there is a decent chance that some
of the people listening to this podcast may regularly use
or have used homeopathic products. I think they probably tuned
out after the first episode, I would hope, so I

(06:00):
don't think they make it to this one. We were
more positive about the founder of homeopathy than any of
our other fake It's hard not I mean, he's not
clearly Yeah, he's clearly not a bastard, he's clearly not
doing his best, just misguided. Yeah yeah. Now, I'm not
going to tell anybody not to take homeopathic medicine because
I eat my weight in narcotic leaves every six months,

(06:21):
So he who am I to tell people what's unhealthy?
But we are going to talk about a lot of
dead babies today because of homeopathy. Ah yep. Now, uh,
First off, I should start by saying that, for the record,
homeopathy is pretty conclusively proven to be bullshit, even after
that five double blind study. I don't even feel comfortable

(06:44):
calling it snake oil because there actually is an actual
snake oil that's an ancient Chinese medicine that actually has
anti inflammatory properties with testable impacts on the human body. Well,
and now they're testing vipers venom can they think it
can cure certain types of cancer. There's there's a lot
of differ medicines and snakes. A snake is like when
I get sick, I just go roll around in a

(07:05):
pile of snakes. That that just gave me. I know
you were a kidding, but still there's a part of
me I was like don't do that. I'm a big
snake fan. Oh yeah, I think Machettison and snick Hettison's complimentary.
It's like being an oncologist and also, uh, other type
of doctor. I don't know medicine. Um, what I do

(07:27):
know on that one. Uh, there's been a lot of
studies in the homeopathic medicine to see how it works,
and there you know, I don't want to quote all
of those, so I found a fun analysis of seventeen
of those studies on the efficacy of homeopathy in the
Journal of Clinical Pharmacology. Its title is a Systematic Review
of systematic Reviews of Homeopathy. Just so we can start

(07:49):
this episode by conclusively stating it doesn't it doesn't does
not work. Quote eleven independent systematic reviews were located. Collectively.
They failed to provide strong evidence in favor of homeopathy.
In particular, there was no condition which responds convincingly better
to homeopathic treatment than to placebo or other control interventions. Similarly,
there was no homeopathic remedy that was demonstrated the yield
clinical effects that are convincingly different from placebo. Okay, yeah,

(08:13):
one thing that will sometimes he uses like evidence that
homeopathic works is you'll have some cases where like, oh,
if you actually look at this, the homeopathic group actually
did slightly better than the placebo group, and it's like, yeah, yeah,
but you have to do better over a certain margin.
It's like, if you're like, if you're giving people, like
you're trust testing into neurological medicine, it has to help
more than a certain percentage of people, because the placebo

(08:33):
effect is going to help a certain percentage exactly. Yeah.
So anyway, um, yeah, homeopathy doesn't do anything now. I
should also note that homeopathic doctors do occasionally attempt to
carry out their own scientific studies, much like the studies
we just carried out in this room, and about as
valid as the studies we care. They're as thought out now. Unfortunately,

(08:57):
while the Machettison studies were carried out on consenting patient
uh and adult um Sophie Lichtman, homeopathic studies are not
always carried out on people who can properly consent to
them uh. In fact, sometimes they test random substances on
impoverished children in the Global South. Yea, yea. There exists

(09:21):
in this beautiful, dumb, nuclear armed nation of ours, an
organization called the National Center for complementary and integrative health.
One of the things this publicly funded government entity does
is test the efficacy of alternative medicine. Now, this is
something I get frustrated about. I don't like the term
alternative medicine. There's no such thing as alternative medicine. Medicine
is either medicine or it's not. Well. By definition, an

(09:42):
alternative to medicine would be poison exactly. It's like it's
the acid drink the guy make. Yeah, that's what an
alternative to medicine is worse. Yeah, and we I should stay.
In some earlier episodes of this I made fun of
like taking term wreck for everything under the sun, because
you go to health food store in Los Angeles or
a lot of hipper cities, you'll find turmeric on the shelves.

(10:05):
For fucking everything. Turmeric. It has actual medicinal properties. It's
powerful anti inflammatory, it does things like there are things
that you can do with with turmeric. I'm a big
fan of Plantago major, which is plantain leaf, uh, and
it's it's a leaf that's been used for thousands of
years to treat wounds in societies around the world. And
because it's an actual medicine. There are scientific studies that
have confirmed that it does, in fact speed up the

(10:26):
healing of wounds. So, like, none of the stuff is alternative.
It's just what it does. It's just it's just a
thing that does something. It's it's just it just dudes
didn't make it. So now like dudes are like, well,
that's alternative medicine, know what you do. Yeah, it's technically
alternative medicine. Yeah, because the earth been medicine in itself
for a long time. Yeah, that's why people like fucking

(10:48):
Dr Hanman made it to eighty nine. Yeah, some ship
did work back then. Now, when I found out there
was a government center aimed attesting alternative medicine, I was
a little bit pissed. But then I read the results
of a study that they conducted in El Salvador, and
that made me really angry. And now I'm gonna read
you an extra and the abstract from this, Billy winds
that you can get angry too. I'm just gonna make

(11:10):
sure this VHS tape of basic instincts near your stab
at hand to get a knife. Here. Background. Despite the
widespread availability of oral rehydration therapy, diarrheal illness remains a
major cause of morbidity and mortality around the world. Previous
studies have shown individualized homeopathic therapy to be effective in
treating childhood diarrhea, but this approach requires specialized training. Objective

(11:32):
homeopathic combination medicine, if effective, could be used by health
personnel on a widespread basis methods. A double blind, randomized
controlled trial was conducted in Honduras to evaluate the effectiveness
of a homeopathic combination therapy to treat acute diarrhea in children.
A total of two children with acute diarrhea were recruited.
A hundred forty five were randomized the experimental group and
a hundred forty seven to the placebo group. Tablets contained

(11:54):
a combined preparation of the five most common single homeopathic
remedies used to treat diarrhea or placeba were administered by
a parent after each unformed stool. So that's good, They're
dosing a bunch of kids, and yeah, the study found nothing.
It admitted that there was no significant difference in the
likelihood of resolution of diarrheal symptoms for the group that
took homeopathic medicine. Yeah, because it's nothing. Because you hope

(12:17):
it's nothing. Well, yeah, now, the benefit of homeopathy over
other kinds of fake medicine is that at least it
is just harmless water, but not actually all the time. Um.
I've found a fun article on science based Medicine, a
wonderful website which digs into the details of this particular study,
and it suggests that they might have slightly poisoned some

(12:39):
porsic kids in Al Salvador or hund Sorry. Uh. It
turns out that two of the most popular substances used
in homeopathic diarrhea treatments are arsenic and poto fhilum. Now
you know what arsenic is. It's not great. You know
what poto film is. It is a wart remover so
strong it is illegal to be administered outside of a
doctor's office by a doctor. It's a war Yeah. Yeah

(13:02):
that that cannot be sold over the counter. Burn but
it's one that a doctor has to give you. Yeah. No,
I've I used to have some. I had them frozen
off and then I had one burned off with a laser. Yeah. Yeah,
that's cooler than the potophilum. It smells terrible, it's awful, yeah,
but probably not as bad as the diary reaward after

(13:23):
these kids were even nonsense medicine. Pando match yeah, I
just fuck yeah. Now, the writer of that science based
medicine article notes, I wonder if the I r B,
which is like the board that like reviews studies and
stuff from the cases like this, knew that these were
the ingredients being used. Granted, they are so dilute there
is nothing left, but there was no data presented to
show that these components had actually been diluted that much

(13:44):
and therefore posed no threat to the study subjects. Think
of it this way. If the remedy has any active ingredients,
it's potentially toxic. If it is truly homeopathic, then it's
nothing more than ethanol and sugary. So the best case
scenario is that these publicly funded researchers, who you and
I paid for, Billy Wayne, I, found a bunch of
poor sick kids and then give them nonsense water and
pretended it was medicine. The worst case scenario is that

(14:07):
they poisoned sick children with arsenic and warp remover. And
it's not a silly fear to be afraid that they
might accidentally poison some kids, because it's not uncommon for
homeopaths to funk up the delution process and dose children
because they're not scientists, because they're not to mix chemicals
like that. No, uh, and and the yeah, there's actually

(14:28):
a number of reasons. Um. So we're gonna talk about
that more in a second, But for just one moment,
I want to revel in the last paragraph from that
homeopathic study, and this is them trying to like figure
out why didn't this work? Why didn't it make the
kids better? A number of factors could account for the
ineffectiveness of the homeopathic combination therapy. Although the homeopathic remedies
included in the combination therapy were those most commonly prescribed

(14:49):
in the previous studies, it is possible that these remedies
would not have been prescribed individually in this population, and
or that a different combination medicine would have been more effective.
There's also a possibility that the remedies include did in
the combination therapy counteracted each other in some way, rendering
the individual remi He's ineffective. Other factors could be that
the therapy was not correctly administered by parents in this study,
so it's like, ah, they probably fucked up by giving

(15:12):
their kids the poison winter wrong. That's who fucked it
on us. Yeah, and I also love that, like they're
they're being like well, homeopathy has worked in the past
on very patients. Like Yeah, if you give people a
diarrhea water, you usually they don't die. Yes, if you
keep people hydrated, the body does some crazy wonderful stuff
every fucking time, which is why Samuel Hanman lived to

(15:34):
be eighty nine because he drank a lot of water.
Super hydrated guy. Now, at one point, Billy Wayne, this
was meant to be a one part episode, but then
I googled my way across a Scientific American article with
one of the most horrifying titles I've ever read. You
read this hundreds of babies harmed by homeopathic remedies. Families say,

(15:57):
damn it, just can you imagine that? And then added,
we like make it sex here. There's never been a
good story that's opened with hundreds of babies. You just
don't nothing good's gonna come after that. I mean, ah,
what a time we live in two We're like, I
think you gotta go. You gotta start with the hundreds

(16:17):
of babies. That's the lead is hundreds of baby eatum
the click on it, damn it. It opens with a
case from August first, a mother gives her toddler three
homeopathic pills. Within minutes, the baby stops breathing. My daughter
had a seizure, lost consciousness, and stopped breathing for about
thirty minutes after I gave her three Highlands teething tablets.

(16:40):
The mother later told the Food and Drug Administration she
had to receive mouth to mouth CPR to resume breathing
and was brought to the hospital. So teething tablets, there's
way more recent cases than that. Oh yeah, you stuck
it in the basic in lit it u it is.

(17:02):
That is helpful in dealing with um, dealing with your
feelings makes thank you, Paul Verhoven. Are you healed? No,
not yet. It's I mean, I have an eight month old,
so like it's just this. I don't okay. Yeah, it's
not great. It's not great. This is not going to
be an easy one. So Highlands, the company that made

(17:23):
those homopathic pills bills itself, is providing safe, effective, and
natural health solutions to parents looking to avoid the danger
of modern pharmaceuticals. There's all a wide variety of products
for people of all ages. Their website presents the image
of a healthy and legitimately medicinal product. I'm gonna show
you that, Bill. You want to want to describe this
website to our to our audience, Yes, it does. There

(17:45):
there's two young people running uh at sunset on the ocean.
The healthiest time in place to run it is UH.
Since three that means it's good. It does now looks
and even the Highlands logo looks like a that's it

(18:07):
looks like one of those everything does it looks like
a vague drug ad. Yeah, is what it looks though,
And it's interesting that they choose that because, like, one
of the reasons that these products are so popular that like,
the pharmaceutical industry is fucked and like sells people a
lot of dangerous ship and markets a lot of dangerous
ship like just for sheer profit. And yet at the
same time, while you're profiting off of the fact that

(18:28):
people don't trust the pharmaceutical industry for good reason, you're
also in order to make your product look more like medicine,
aping the pharmaceutical industries branding, which is really interesting to me. Well,
I think it's smart because the pharmaceutical industry brands everything
in a way, not because they will, it's just they've
done the research to be like, this is the best

(18:49):
way to sell this stuff, So that's pretty smart. They're
just copying pharmaceutical people's research. One of my favorite things
to do when I'm really high is to watch pharmaceutical
ads and work backwards. And one of the things I've
realized is that if you're selling a pill that helps
people ship, you show them jogging. Always jogging. Yeah, because
that's why you can't jog. If you can't, can't, No,

(19:10):
you cannot. You don't want to go jogging. In tiny
text on the top of Highland's website, there's a little
bit of text that I want to read you, Billy
Wayne claims based on traditional homeopathic practice, not accepted medical evidence,
not FDA evaluated. Copy that copy that unlike Machettison, which
I'm proud to announce as a result of our double

(19:31):
blind study, now has complete FDA approval. My ear, it's healed.
Thank you, Sophie. You can buy a Machettison starter kit. Yeah,
we're gonna bleep that out. We will. We are now
selling Machettison starter kits again. You get a free machete
with every five dollar copy of Machette your Way to
better health. That's a good deal, you guys. That is
a great good deal because separately over a thousand dollars

(19:53):
and uh confirmed by the FDA to cure what ails
you absolutely FDA approved Come at me, motherfucker's. FDA stands
for Freddy, Danny, and Alex. Now. Highlands products have names
that are crosses between hyper modern medicine and ancient snake

(20:16):
oil remedies. You can buy nuts vomica, which sounds like
something a Roman doctor would prescribe, and bioplasma, which sounds
like something you'd pick up in a space first person
shot plasma, or it sounds like something you sail in
college to get beer money. Yeah, you sell your bioplasma. Yeah,
I got a good day long, I got four in

(20:37):
a bucks a month for the guy in a van.
He'll he wants it good. All that bioplasma is paying
from a tattoos. You can't tell him I'm getting tattoos.
Tell him, do not let them know. They do not
want you getting stick and poked. So you can find nuts, vomica,
and bioplasma on the Highlands Online store What you won't

(20:58):
find on that site is their homeopathic teething tablets and gels.
You know why, Scientific Americans gonna tell you why. Babies
who were given Highlands teething products turned blue and died.
Babies had repeated seizures, Babies became delirious, Babies were airlifted
to the hospital where emergency room staff trying to figure
out what caused their legs and arms to start twitching.

(21:19):
Not a great paragraph. Fuck, yeah, not a great paragraph?
Is it? Until up? Uh? No, they did eventually stop
selling the poison, the baby poison Highlands all natural baby
killed pills name what we actually do. So I will

(21:42):
say I would support if they if they marketed them
as baby killing pills, that would not be unethical. That
you wouldn't have a problem. Yeah. Yeah, Like if you're
gonna sell cigarettes to kids under the name like Uncle
Gonzo's bubble gum flavored cancer stick. But Highlands still exists,
doesn't happen? Yeah, Highlands is still round. Yeah, They're never
gonna die. No, yeah, they're not. Over a ten year

(22:04):
period from two thousand and six to two sixteen, the
image on their website. Yeah, I just pulled it up
when I was doing the research. That's like. Yeah. Over
a ten year period from two thousand and six to
two thous sixteen, the FDA collected reports of adverse events
in more than three hundred and seventy children who had
used Highlands Homeopathic teething tablets or gel, a similar product
that has applied directly to a baby's gums. Agency records

(22:25):
show eight cases in which babies were reported to have
died after taking Highlands products, though the FDA says the
question of whether those products caused the deaths is still
under review. Following an FDA warning in September, Highland said
it would no longer manufacture the teething products, but they
remained on some store shelves for months and are still
available on the internet. They likely continue to be used
in homes nationwide. That's great. I love the kind of

(22:49):
logic for a company like Highlands, where they're like, they
have so many products on their website. Well, when we
gave our water to die ore reap patients, they got better,
which means homeopathy works. When all these baby took our
teething pills and died, there's no evidence it's connected to
the teething pills. That sucks. But the money keep Yeah,

(23:11):
we all have so much money. Can't let just send
a couple of dead babies getting away the money truck.
Yeah exactly, that's why you get a money truck with
big wheels, roll right over them babies. Oh yeah, speaking
of running over babies, no, no, is that a bad
way to go to add speaking of babies living forever,

(23:34):
these products and services that advertise on our show will
make your babies live longer than highlands all natural baby
killing hills that guarantee, guarantee, a guarantee. I feel like
we can safely make that claim. But if the FDA
wants to come at me, go for it. Products, We're back.

(23:59):
We're back taunting the f d A as per usual.
I think this is the administration to taunt the FDA. Yeah, yeah,
I think we're okay. I think we're okay. They do
not have a lot of teeth these days. Yeah. So yeah.
The probable culprit for all these baby deaths is a
key ingredient in highlands teething products at Tropa Bella donna. Yeah,

(24:22):
deadly night shade, uh Jesus, Yeah, which is one of
the one of the plants that Samuel Hahnman was a
big fan of using in his home. He had to
head his kids pass that. Yeah, um, it is not
something in case the name Deadly night Shade did not
key you in. It is not something you should give
to children or anyone. I don't know anyone unless you're

(24:43):
doing a murder. Yeah, and I think it's your murder
and someone solid picker. Now. Homeopathic medicine is supposed to
be so deluded that literally no molecules of the original
substance remains, But in practice homeopaths kind of funk up sometimes.
In two FDA inspectors at a Highland facility reported substandard

(25:04):
manufacturing processes and inconsistent levels of Bella Donna in their products.
That is a nice way of saying not all of
their water had the poison diluted out of it. It's
like animals. Yeah, we're sure. We'd like to say that's
ten milligrams, but they don't know. One of them might
be ten and then the one next to it might
be zero. It's all in one thing. It's yeah, it's

(25:27):
when you're it's not science. They're not doing science. They're
doing money. They're doing money, and they're great money and
make billions of dollars all these companies because you don't
have to because people it's frustrating because like people rightly,
like we just did an episode on the Sacklers, and
like the the opioid industry people are right. They are like, oh,
the pharmaceutical industry is fucked up. Uh, And instead they

(25:47):
just go to another company that's just as bad, but
at least those pills get you high. Well, it's it's
like going like McDonald's is shitty, I'm going to burger Ky. Okay, dude,
it's like that brief period when McDonald's was trying to
get everyone on board salads that who would choose Burger

(26:08):
King over McDonald No, I agree, But that's the point
I'm make. Yeah, it's both starbage. They're both garbage. Mc
donald's preservatives do taste better, they do, they do, and
their fries are better. So I was about to say,
we're measuring by one thing. It has to be by
the fried quality behind the bastards is of course supported
by McDonald's in their corporate masters, nor dyeing defense systems,

(26:28):
nor dyeing defense systems, whether you want French fries or
a rocket propelled grenade launch. Here were kids. We're kaling
in really dark. That's a double meaning that they're doing
really well as a company and they're also murdering. And
they're also murdering. I could go on advertising, really could

(26:52):
hire US Corporate America now um. After the first deaths,
the FDA issued a public warning that there were quote
reports of serious adverse events and children taking this product
that are consistent with belladonna toxicity. We just want to
let everybody know that might kill your baby. And that
is how you say they're poisoning babies with belladonna without

(27:12):
saying they're poisoning. There's reports of serious events and children
taking this product that are consistent with the poisons in
the product. Yeah, serious event just happened. The FDA, for
their warned that little babies are particularly vulnerable to the
neurotoxic poison because their babies and quote the absorption of
belladonna from the skin and mouth is fairly rapid in babies. Yeah,
because they're just weak, little good they're weak, little goose. Yeah, yes, yeah,

(27:36):
they're not supposed to be given, for example, belladonna anything
but milk, anything but milk. Really like you avoid perfume
around babies. Right, Yeah, it's not great. They they're they're
they're tiny, they're not like horses. They're not tough. Yeah,
there's skulls, not even they're missing most of the good bones.

(27:57):
They only have the crappy bones at first. Just give
it some You got the thing that's called deadly, give
it to the bait. Oh, this is the deadly night shade.
That's the one for a baby. Should we start with
just the okay night shade, No, chryl the deadly one. Now.
Highlands has been in the fake medicine business for a
hundred and fourteen years. They're based right here in the

(28:18):
city of Los Angeles. That is not surprising. They are
the largest homeopathic business in the United States. They claim
their products are safe and there's no proven scientific link
between their teething products and infant seizures or deaths. Spokeswoman
Mary Borneman said, a point of view, what a point
of view? Here's our stance. There's no scientific proof we

(28:43):
killed those babies, which is only a sitt and said
by good people. Yes, I'm gonna quote from spokes when
Mary Borneman talking to Scientific American. That doesn't mean that
children don't have a sensitivity to a product. There's a
lot of sensitivity on kids parts, and we have to
watch carefully. It's not something that condemns the entire product line.
Can you imagine sitting across from her when she said that.

(29:07):
And I love the question because because then you she's saying, like,
there's no proof that there's a link between our teething
products and infant seizures. But infants might be sensitive to
the poison in our teething products, but that doesn't mean
that our ty cast baby to get a tough baby.
And then we'll come talk. You try giving him scotch,

(29:29):
Hold on, hold on, wait, wait, just to take it.
What is your baby a pussy? That's what happened. And
if your baby is a weak, limp wristed, little little sucker,
I have a suggestion for how to toughen your baby up.
Mache babies Machettison's Babies machetes, which are only seven hundred

(29:50):
dollars each. Now, a lot of parents they're going to
spend money on an expensive crib, on a nice car seat.
None of that's going to get you as far as
the seven hundred dollar baby machete razor sharp the sharpest
because babies don't have a lot of arm strength, so
when they hit something, if you really want them to
cut into it, it's got to be the sharpest machete.
And it needs a little size to it, so it
also carries. Yeah, you want some weight. A good children's

(30:13):
machete should be the weight of the baby and does
most of the words most of the work. Just grant
letting gravity pull it down. Yeah, that's true. And the
baby's machetes have slings, so you can use the machete
to carry your baby. That is true. And I would
have one if my wife wasn't smart, but I've married
a smart lady. Anyway, Male, seven hundred dollars to behind

(30:36):
the bastards. Just stick it in an envelope. Put it
in there, right, machete on the envelope and address, and
we will find you. We will find that money. We
don't Yes, you send us the money and we will
find you with the machete. Yeah that we don't need
your address or a phone number or name. That's behind
the bastard's promise. Send us the money. We'll find you with.

(30:57):
Shind you with a product. Okay, so um, yeah, it's frustrating.
It took four years for the FDA to get Highlands
to change their recipes to something hopefully less dangerous. Guys,
I know, hear. Hey another email, just to quit gentle reminders.
Stop putting poison in your baby stuff? Maybe don't? Yeah,

(31:19):
memo to staff are E poison pills for babies. Hey
maybe not? Hey Highlands FTI again, I know I'm being
a pain, but could you guys stop doing the poison
the base? No, Okay, we'll draw back. Okay, we'll try
back another time. See if you guys change your mind.
We're patient here now. While Highlands did change their recipe

(31:40):
in the years since, the parade of deaths and seizures
continued no Scientific American. In case four six two seven,
four nine, dated September two thousand and eleven, a physician
sent Highlands a handwritten note stating his patient, a five
month old girl, was unresponsive for forty five minutes after
taking its teething tablets. I am sure this was not
an allergic reaction, he wrote. I would like you to
report it, find a contact at the FDA so we

(32:03):
can start an investigation and pull this dangerous, unregulated product
from the shelves. One mother wrote the company to say
her son's people's dilated like marbles with big black eyes
and described her daughter continue to have after taking the tablets,
and told the company, I hate, hate, hate you for
this reasonable response that is that's actually kind of yep,

(32:24):
tempid response. The third hate, another's three fourth hate. That
might have been good or fucking yeah, good good time
for a fucking just like a white powder in that
envelope to you know, I was gonna say going in
this episode, there's no justified time to send a boy.
I shouldn't talk about mailing powders through the pleasures. Move

(32:45):
right along. Karina Talbot, twenty six year old mother, told
Scientific American that she picked Higland's teething products because they
were marketed as natural, and clearly natural is better than
whatever unnatural stuff is in the teething products that contain
doesn't these suckers gave their kid uh pacifiers, Those don't
have any poison in them at all? Is God the

(33:10):
leaps the human brain makes. Yeah, I think egos, I mean,
ego seems to be really involved in a lot of
this stuff. Well ego and I think just a lot
of it's just you know, there's so much information to
take in, and people average people are necessarily great incredibly
reviewing sources and like you have a lot of friends
who are like, oh no, my my kid, And there
is stuff where like I was just talking about pacifiers,
but like there have been cases where like pacifiers made

(33:32):
by some shady company and a bad factory in like
China or something that like lead on them and ship
like it does, Like there's a lot of ship gets
in the formula too, scary, nothing's perfect, and so people
like see natural on a label and assume it really
means something and also assumes that natural like like they
don't think about the fact that like rice and is natural,

(33:54):
like yes, like the and they don't like my dad
makes that joke because like organic he's like, what's that mean? Yeah,
he's like it, and it's mostly about a marketing buzzword
at this point, Like they're like, which is not to
say that there's not some like some of the practices
that are advocated by that crowd can be good, but
like the actual legal definition is very easy to game.

(34:15):
Oh it's so easy, Like you talk about like people
are like, oh, I don't use his organic pesticides. If
you've been in a farm that's been spread worth organic pesticides,
it's just like as much sulfur as you can fit,
you can good for you. And that's not even the
right way to do that organic stuff. Like my friend
that lives in Eugene, he's a professional cannabis grower and

(34:36):
they grow it organically, but it's all from like other
plants he's mixing and it's insane what he does. But
what he was, like what these other people call organic
is not like he learned from this Korean, this old
Korean man. It's like, sorry, okay, we're all being marketed
to all the time by everyone, and it's um one
of the reasons why. And I don't want to make

(34:57):
like Koreina Talbot, the mother here who like picked the
these teeth products because they natural had to be a
bad person. Like there's so much ship out there that
like people make bad decisions by definition, because there's it's
so hard to pick the good information from the bad,
and it's just it's complicated, and it's our government, the
FDA should do more to make it very clear, um

(35:21):
to stop a company like Highlands from making themselves look
like a legitimate pharmaceutical company, for example. It just has
to be clear what you are. Yeah, yes, I totally agree.
If it was Thailand's brand nonsense water now with poison,
like you can have that problect Yeah exactly. So um,
I'm going a quote from Karina Talbot again. When our

(35:42):
fourth kiddo comes around and starts teething it three months,
we were like, okay, what can we do to give
him some relief. Someone told us about the teething tablets
and we thought, give them a try. So she gave
her son some Highlands teething products and his hands started twitching,
then his feet. The twitching got worse over the course
of several days, and it took a while for she
and her husband to realize the little seizures world to
the teething tablets. When she stopped dosing her son, he

(36:02):
stopped seizing. Now this represents one of the better case scenarios.
The worst case scenario is fd A case one oh
seven two three three one seven a mother who in
two thousand and fourteen gave her nine month old daughter
two teething tablets. Quote. She gave her infant the tablets,
then a bottle, then left her to sleep. When she
checked on her, forty five minutes later, she was dead
in her crib beside a puddle of vomit. God. Yeah. Now.

(36:26):
Five months later, the mother of this deceased child read
online that babies had suffered seizures after taking Highlands baby
killing pills. Shows. She reached out to them and here's
scientific American talking about Highlands response to this, I bet
it was good. It was up there were like Spectrum.
You might need the big knife for this. One billion
customer did not request a refund or replacement, noted the

(36:48):
silent staffer who filed the report with the f d A.
Highlands also noted that it was not able to test
the bottle because the customer threw it away. Due to
the limited information provided by the reporter, no further investigation
is possible. At the time of this incident, the company concluded,
there's just nothing we can do about this dead baby case.
I can't save the bottle. That's real unfortunate. Whoever the

(37:10):
boss was at Highlands, like, who's our best sociopath? Yeah,
who is our worst person? Let's get them on this.
He's just a Christian Bale character in the corner, just
stabbing a lady, what I'll do it? Hey, Jim, there's
more dead kids. We need you to send a real
bad email. Time to get to work now. Uh. The

(37:30):
f d A could do a lot more to police
homopathic medicine, but dealing with homeopathic medicine is generally low
on their priority list. And that's you want to talk
to these idiots. Yeah, there's there's an aspect to which
that's fair, because the idea is that homeotic remedies are
just water. So like you can see how the FDA
would prioritize, like, oh, there's people bleaching their kids assholes,
stop autism. That's got to be a priority over the

(37:52):
water selling. Yes, nonsense, Like you can see the logic there.
And also like all the other pill companies, all the
other pill companies trying to just make all of the
legal drugs legal and change the name. So we're focused
on that too right now, which we should just let
people do so that I can bite allotted in the
grocery store again. Um, but that's aside the point and

(38:14):
a personal issue more than a societal thing. I'm talking. Yeah, yeah,
uh so, yeah, the all this stuff that we've been
talking about gets more attention from the FDA's limited resources
than homeopathy. But that's not the only reason regulators take
a light hand in the baby poisoning industry. See The
Complementary and Alternative Medicine or CAM lobby is the official

(38:36):
lobbying arm of homeopathy and other sorts of you know,
alternative medical Yeah, why wouldn't they need? Of course, just
like pharmaceutical companies. They sent their fillions of dollars in
lobbying too. We're not shady enough. Let's do what the pharmacy.
We're not like pharmaceutical companies. You can trust us. But
also let's do everything pharmaceutical companies do. Could you get
a hand on their business because they make so much

(38:57):
money they print it. Yeah, we could make that money.
We don't have to spend any money even researching medicine,
tending to research. We can just put poison and water
and give it to babies. The fucking Margins on that
ship wild back in two thousand thirteen, they lobbied for
a clause in the Affordable Care Act Section two seven
oh six, which would have forced insurance companies to pay

(39:19):
for so called alternative medicine. This language was added to
the a c A by Senator Tom Harkin, a lobbyist
for the American Chiropractic Association and a member of the
Integrated Health Policy Consocial h PC. Senator Jesus, it's all fine,
just the chiropractic, which we know is good. According to

(39:41):
Forbes quote, it is virtually certain that lobbyists wrote that
section and Harkins simply inserted it into the law. The
h PC is a lobby and group dedicated to obtaining
more government money for homeopathy, naturopathy, chiropractic, acupuncture, interraft of
other ineffectual medical practices. Now section to seven oh six
is not all bad, just as the world of complimentary
medicine is all bunk them. But it does mean that

(40:02):
in addition to guaranteeing taxpayer funding for debatably useful things,
it may also have meant more taxpayer dollars for businesses
like Highlands. In general, the cam lobby fights to have
their medicine treated as medicine for the purpose of insurance building,
but not treated as medicine for the purpose of making
sure it's safe and effective to give to babies. Oh,
it's a prophet. We want to sell it like medicine,

(40:22):
but we don't want to have to prove that it
works or is safe like medicine. Yeah, do you see
why this is fair? Yeah, this is how it should be. Yeah,
it's there. The they're the are the Reverend R and
B singers. Yeah, that's the Christian rock and roll of medicine. Yes, yes, no,
we love Jesus as they snort cocaine and have sex

(40:45):
on their bus. But we don't pay tax But we
don't have to pay taxes, which means more cocaine. Always
party with a Christian rock band if you get the chance.
If you do get a chance, it is fun. It's
a great time. They're good musicians too, they just don't
know if they don't do it on stay age. You
get them back on that bus, do a couple of lines. Yeah,
they like all the same music. Then you get the

(41:06):
Black sabbath Is. It's it's just a weird curtain to
pull behind your what in the fun? Oh it's a
money thing. It's a grift. Okay. Now. The cam lobby
and the money that they spend lobbying is part of
why it took so many years for the FDA to
push Highlands to reformulate their famous baby killing pills and

(41:27):
part of why when Highlands did reformulate that ship, they
didn't necessarily make it less toxic. Uh Sarah's Sorcer, an
attorney for the Public Citizen Health Research Group, told Scientific
American this, the FDA could bring the hammer down on them,
but it doesn't. At the point where you have infants
being hospitalized and deaths reported, it's simply not acceptable for
the agency to delay and taking action. It seems fair. Yeah.

(41:49):
The FDA's Drug Division determines whether or not a product
on the market is unsafe, but in order to make
that determination, the FDA relies heavily on reports from actual
doctors in the field in which drugs and drug like
substances are killing pol This is a particular problem with
homeopathic products because they're supposed to just be water, which
means physicians rarely think to ask if a patient has
been taking homeopathic teething pills. Dr Edward Boyer, a Harvard

(42:11):
toxicologist who works at the Harvard Medical School. E Er
told Scientific American this, if I'm working in the emergency
room and I have a family that comes in with
a seizing infant, I may not have the wherewithal to
get the history of homeopathic use. You're not going to
assume it's the water pills, so it means that they
don't notice a lot of this contributes to an illness. Well,
when you don't think you're giving them anything, So why
would you tell them exactly it's natural. Yeah, it's like, yeah,

(42:36):
I get an extra kale or something. Now it is natural.
Billy Wayne is our home grown medical machetes. Every one
of our machetities is grown organically on a organic industrial
factory in El salvador Um. The good part of the
good part of not only the most natural polymers plastics

(43:00):
and carbon steel are used in the organic growth of
our health machetes. They have the best polymer trees, the
best polymer trees by far, by far. In fact, some
Belladon included products hervousness. So, Iphie, we're back. How's your

(43:21):
ear feeling better now? My heart hurts from hearing how
horrible these people? Oh yeah, everything's hey. It is heavy,
It is heavy, but I don't think that's just like
really fucking angry, but it's numbing. My anger is numbing
my ear pain because I'm just I can't think about
anything else. That's why behind the bastards of the podcast

(43:44):
is f d A supported uh to treat all the
kinds of eggs and paints. I also thought, you know,
Andrew said to look pretty cool with a little dog machete.
Oh yeah, Now our dog machete vertical is going to
take off in a Q two Yeah where it's it's
hard to make a machete that a dog's paws can hold,
but we're working on it. Figured it out. We have
top men on the project. We used Deadly Night shape

(44:06):
only top men, top men and women and a gender
machete experts. I don't know, uh to top whatever's Um,
they're they're fluid, just like our new liquid metal machetes.
Oh that would be cool. Yeah, it will be cool
QO just in time. Yeah, it's going now. Um. The

(44:34):
good news is that in December of two sixteen, more
than half a decade after the first death, we reported
Highlands pulled their baby nighttime teething tablets off the shelves.
They were adamant that their safety standards were incredibly stringent
and frame. This is basically, we have to pull this
stuff from the shelves because the FDA is a bunch
of dicks. That doesn't get me mean he's fucking dead.

(44:55):
Highlands representative told Scientific American homeopathic medicine has a very
large margin of say, are testing insures there's not too
much belladonna in any bottle. If there's any belladonna in
a teething product, it's too much. There's not a lot.
It's these pussy babies. Just on January seventeen, the United

(45:17):
States Food and Drug Administration posted this fund press release.
FDA confirms elevated levels of belladonna in certain homeopathic teething products.
You can't stop these people from putting poison in baby pills.
They just love it. Why because they're just they're not
taking the proper precautions. But I don't don't have to.
That's okay, That is exactly. If humans don't have to,

(45:38):
they don't do it. Yeah, it's like the people who
are like all these regulations are like for like health
and safety, like ocean ship is like slowing down innovation.
It's like, no, dude, people would be like shooting at
workers to make them move faster if there weren't laws
against that. There's no OSHA rules in our recording studio,
and I regularly throw knives and bagels around with the
sling like it's terrible. It's terrible. I should be in

(46:01):
in charge of the country. Um so yeah. This press
release revealed that Highlands was not the only company accidentally
dropping belladonna into its teething products. Another homeopathic medicine company,
Raritan Pharmaceuticals, was forced to pull their products off the
shelf when poison was found in them. So that's goods
all right. Now, if you're a sane person, you might

(46:23):
be wondering, why are homeopathic products regulated as drugs if
they're at best water and at worst poison water. That's
a little odd, isn't it. This all turns out to
be thanks to a special law made just before World
War Two. Here's Forbes. The nineteen thirty eight law was
the brainchild of a U. S Senator, Royal Copeland, who
happened to be a homeopath. Senator Copeland inserted language into

(46:45):
a major food and drug law that declared homeopathic preparations
to be drugs. It also allowed homeopaths themselves to maintain
the official list of all these drugs, called the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia.
Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse. Thanks to aggressive
lobbying by homeopaths, homeopathic in Greek Dans are not subject
to the normal review required of real drugs. Most importantly,
homeopathic drugmakers do not have to prove their products are effective. Cool.

(47:08):
That's a I'm glad that that's just democracy good law
knocking it out of the park again. That's the senator
who's a homeopath says that we should treat them as
drugs except for when we have to prove they work.
People have an issue with that, oh man. One of
the fun products that homeopaths get to market is medicine

(47:28):
without proving any therapeutic benefit for it is to Prison.
To Prison is generally marketed as a natural pain relief cream.
You can buy it as a cream or a spray,
or in a special formulation for fibromyalga for You can
also buy toe Person for children and a one point
five ounce tube. The seller of that particular product, Valley
Medical Supplies, says that it helps with aches and pains,

(47:50):
cuts and bruises, HeLa, knee pain, and growing pains. The
section on Information for Parents and Consumer states to Person Jr.
Uses no volatile oils such as can for or menthol
or irritating chemicals. Rather, it stimulates the body's desire to
heal the damage that is causing the pain by draining
the toxins. That toxins, Yeah, they're in play. Yeah, that

(48:12):
was destined. That has just been waiting. I was like,
they're gonna say toxins. So now I like this theory
that this thing activates yeah your body. Yeah, like there's
some substance out there that's like your body is just
like what Yeah, I didn't know to heal until the
cream got on. Thanks. Oh man. I love that we're

(48:36):
again using our our our dumb southern accents to make
fun of these people when they're all based in Los Angeles.
I just imagine them having us. Yeah. Well yeah, we
could just be like, here's what we should do. Here's
what we should do, guys. Here here's what I'll do fixed. Yeah,
that's what it. That is really comfortable. I feel like

(48:56):
somebody named ad just walked in. It's okay, it's okay,
you just got here's the problem with your baby, bro.
There's not enough Belladonna in it. You gotta get Okay.
They call it Deadly Nightshade. But you know, like when
you say sick and you mean something's good, that's the
kind of deadly. It is bro bing. It's sick medicine.

(49:21):
That's our new homeopathics of like sick medicine. Then nothing
we do is a lie. Oh god, that's just destroyed
my think we could get out of the podcast. I
think I'm gonna. I think we could be millionaires sick medicine.
I mean, I think in another four years of American products,
one of us at least could be the new Secretary
of Health and Human Services. Yes, yeah, definitely Anderson. Well,

(49:45):
Anderson would honestly be an improvement. Anderson will be the president,
and we'll take all the fucking ship when it comes
our way. Oh yeah, yeah, he gets impeached for letting
a Russian dog dig in the yard or something. I
don't know what a presidential crime. Anderson, President Anderson. Now, Billy, Wayne,
I bet you're wondering what might the supposedly deluded homeopathic

(50:09):
ingredients of this Toperson miracle pain cream be. I mean,
I'm sure it's something great. It's Belladonna. Now, now, Billy,
it's not just Belladonna. Of course, they mix in just
a just a scoche of hilo derma. You know what
helo derma is. It's helo monster venom. Okay, that seems

(50:30):
good for paine. What what just acid tripping psychopath is
just mixing ship. Well, he tested it on his kids.
It was fine, So put it in the pills or
the cream or whatever. I feel like they saw this

(50:51):
product at like Whole Food, so they sell it all. Yeah. Yeah, Now,
I wonder if this miracle product made of deadly nightshade
and literal monster poison has a history of poisoning people
and it just so happens. I found a two thousand
eighteen paper post on the National Institutes of Health website

(51:13):
anti cuolinergic toxicity secondary to overdose of Toperson cream, a
homeopathic medication. I'm gonna quote from that now. A forty
year old man presented with family to the emergency department
complaining of headache and blurry vision of one day's duration.
His wife also noticed a changementation for two hours prior
to presentation when he repeatedly asked the same questions and
did not recognize family members. His past medical history included

(51:35):
hypertension and dislipid m something. His daily medications were pravastatin,
meadow floral enamel print, and non steroidal anti inflammatories from
musculo skeletal pains, social history, and family history were non contributory.
Two days prior to presentation, he had developed a severe
pain in his left foot, which he treated with the Overdock,
the counter to prison topical pain relief cream. He applied

(51:56):
the cream liberally without respecting the recommended dosage. The exact
quantity and frequency were unknown. No, that's like every dude, Well,
if this is like, yeah, take two, I'll take four
because I'm awesome. But normally your pain relief cream is
gonna be light a cane or something like that, where like, yeah,
you put too much light a Cane on your foot,
it's whatever. If you're an adult, it's whatever. But he

(52:18):
was putting too much HeLa Monster, Venom and Bella Donna
on his foot, and that turns out to not be great. Yeah,
I went to HeLa Monster bought me like four or five.
Is that good? You're really cutting out the middle man.
I just I just I gotta turn my ankle. I've
been saying for years, Billy, you were ahead of the
pack by keeping that he lived HeLa Monster in your house.
Just free and loose really has helped a lot. I've

(52:38):
only been a hospital like four of her times. He's cool,
and I'd like to announce my new product, just a
HeLa Monster we shipped to your house in a box,
good teething, good for foot pain, thousand dollars, no address.
I will I will make sure HeLa monster finds you
the no address stamped envelope in a thousand off. There
will just be a large poisonous lizard in your house

(53:01):
at some point, and you'll know that you're safe. Sick
medicine was here. You know, it's weird with all these
debates between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and the like
about like should we have medicare for all? Should we
have some sort of like hybrid plan. Why not just
Helo monsters? Just just HeLa monsters and machetes all over
the place, a HeLa monster in every house and a

(53:21):
machete at every hand. That's my presidential platform. I think
the country would get along a little better. I think
I think we would solve We would have other problems
than the partisan divide currently ship that we didn't foresee.
I do think there would be some stuff pop up
that I didn't see that one come. But you know what,
we didn't think we got to stay active. That's true.
Stay on your toes with a HeLa monster in the house,

(53:43):
you drink a lot of water. Now, the good news
is that this guy who overdosed on Toperson did survive UM.
But his symptoms were at one point serious enough that
his doctor's coded him for having a stroke, So maybe
maybe stay away from Toperson. He spent some time to
st ed and pissing himself in a hospital before the
administration of IVY drugs was able to return him to

(54:04):
baseline with suspected cause of his symptoms was belladonna poisoning.
So we've been making fun of the HeLa monster thing,
but they suspect it was actually yeah, when that's the
best part of the medicine. No, the HeLa monster venom
was actually all right. Thank god that was in Thank
god that was in there. Really counteracted the belladonna. I'm

(54:25):
still smart. You mix enough of the poisons in there.
More is more. I will say that he and his
family were lucky that he took the toe person and not,
for instance, their infant child UM for obvious reasons. In
two thousand seventeen, a seven year old Italian girl caught
an ear infection her parents took her to a doctor
who prescribed antibiotics, but they decided to consult a second opinion,

(54:48):
and when with a homeopath instead, set ear infection spread
to the girl's brain, killing her. Yes, yep, yeah, that's
what happens. The parents were convicted of aggravated manslaughter and
given three months sentences in p isn't They attempted to
justify their decision by citing that they were not anti
medicine in general, just concerned about antibiotics, which is a
wrinkle that makes this case frustrating. See The overprescription of

(55:10):
of antibiotics is one of the largest problems in modern medicine.
Over thirty percent of antibiotic prescriptions in the United States
at least are believed to be unnecessary. This manifests in
a few different ways. Antibiotics are often prescribed to people
who don't need them due to mistakes and diagnosis, or
a variety of other reasons, some of which boiled down
to medical laziness. They're also prescribed in doses that far
exceed with the patient actually needs, which can cause long

(55:31):
term health issues and patients like die offs and gut
bacteria or whatever. All of these very real examples of
problems with antibiotic use mean that half informed consumers like
these Italian parents wind up with an understanding that there's
something vaguely problematic about how antibiotics are used in modern medicine,
but not really understanding why. So when they go to
a homeleopath who has already established a big part of

(55:52):
the practices, they'll spend a lot more time talking with you.
And doctors are very busy, they're usually often very often
bad at talking to patients. That good bedside manager are
very rare in this in it in my experience, and
and I think a lot of people's experience. So this
doctor sits down and talks with them and tells them, no,
you don't need antibiotics. Here's another way, and you know,
antibiotics are vaguely problematics, so they go with the other way.

(56:12):
Then their doctors, your infection goes out of control and
she dies of ningitis. It's fun, It's super fucked up.
It's the fucking vaccine ship too. It's the same, just
a shadow of a doubt and smart people sometimes they're like,
well because of one time I have thee yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's just we need more handsome doctors to have YouTube shows,

(56:37):
but not to sell Doctor oz bullshit. To actually tell
them what works and what doesn't we need we need.
I'm I'm calling on you medical community, find us sexier
doctors than doctor Oz to confront doctor Oz. It's like like,
here's like to stop the danger of sexy nonsense. Door

(56:58):
need X good doctor. Yes, it's the only thing that
can say in his in their show is just called
no no. And other doctors out there right now, maybe
do more crunches. Maybe do more crunches, you know, I do.
I one of my favorite things is to drop out
a hospital and see what a doctor outside. That's my

(57:20):
favorite thing. You gotta make a choice. There's just I mean,
I get that there's a stress relief. I understand. It
always makes me laughing, like that's someone's writing a fucking
drama about him right now. I saw a book on
the shelf of one of my very close friends as
grandfather that I love the title of and I have
not read yet, but I know from the title that's

(57:43):
full of good medicine. Live long and die fast, which
I do think is a good goal. Yeah, yeah, you
want to live to ninety and then drop dead? Instantly,
I want to live to ninety and then get shot
by sniper that I don't even know. That's actually the best,
and that Billy Wayne brings me on to my next
grip for this episode, Snipe Edison the only medicine that's

(58:06):
just a man with a scoped rifle, New Youth and Asia.
So this is all terrible, but when it comes to
infuriating stories of actual mal practice by homeopathic positions, nothing
I have come across beats the case of Penelope Dingle.

(58:26):
And because this is a tragic story, I'm gonna ask
none of us to laugh at that last name. They're Australian,
they can't help it. It's not their fault. It's like walla, walla,
Sorry it's there. In February two three, Penelope was diagnosed
with colorectal cancer. Her husband was a prominent toxicologist in
Perth and the specific form of cancer she was diagnosed
with was believed to be extremely treatable, but Miss Dingle

(58:49):
did not opt for that treatment. She had a homeopathic doctor.
She trusted, Miss Grayon, and Miss Grayan told her that
she could much more safe. Miss her name was Miss
that the most it's better than doctor yeah. Now, Miss
Grahan told her that she could hand much more safely
deal with her rectal cancer via, of course of homeopathic

(59:09):
and natural remedies. Doctor Dingle claims he went along with
his wife's wishes because he wasn't able to convince her
that traditional medical treatment would be more effective than Miss
Grayn's homeopathic medicine. He later said, Pinn had her mindset
and it wasn't changeable. You argue with her. Actually what
he said, Yeah, I mean he tried. Yeah, I mean,
I don't know. There's also some some suggestions that maybe
he was cut up in trying to like write a

(59:31):
health book with them. It's it's a complicated story. I
don't really know exactly. But for months, Penelope and Miss
gray And had weekly appointments. But oddly enough, Penelope's cancer
continue to get worse and worse. Sadly, this did not
convince Penelope that something might be wrong. There's evidence that
she and Miss gray And even convinced her husband to
help them write a book about treating cancer naturally once
she was cured. Dr Dingle later said penn was in

(59:52):
awe of Francine. Francine's grayan and I felt that penn
would have perhaps left me if I had criticized Francine.
He claims that she was unwilling to listen to any
medical biace that did not come from her homeopath. Pen
repeatedly told me that Francine was convinced she could cure cancer.
Near the end of two thousand three, Penelope dingles condition
took a sharp turn for the worst, and she underwent

(01:00:13):
emergency surgery to remove a bowel obstruction and save her life.
Penelope remained confident in Francine's Gray And after this point
up until a phone call in which her homeopath asked
her to sign a letter freeing her from all future
legal liability of Penelope died. Wow, yeah, like a great physician,
Just like yeah, yeah, yeah. Now at this point Penelope

(01:00:36):
started a question whether or not she now wait a second, yeah.
Eventually she realized that she had been had by a
con woman and wrote Francine's Gray And a furious and
a heartbreaking letter and it she excoriated the homeopath for,
among other things, ordering her to a shoe any pain
medication in favor of homeopathic pain treatments that did not work. Quote,

(01:00:56):
you told me many stories about your husband and his
overreaction to pain. As I was also an areas, you
advised me that, like him, I reacted to payment. You
gave me a five dollar note with the word phantom
written on it. You told me that my pain was
a phantom product of my imagination. You described your own
experience with sciatica and informed me that until I had
experienced the sort of pain you'd had, then I would
not know what real pain was. The majority of my pain,

(01:01:18):
you informed me, was in my own mind. You saw
me sobbing with pain during our contacts. One night, after
my bowel obstructed, I called because I could not stand
the agony, and your professional advice was go take a bath.
I endured over a hundred and twenty hours of agony
before I went against your advisement, used morphine, and got
myself to a hospital in an ambulance. During the months

(01:01:40):
you treated me, the hot water bottles you encouraged me
to use as my main method of pain control burned
my skin and ruptured my blood vessels. But my pain
was so severe it felt like relief. My entire COXYX
area is blue and purple. That's cool, huh it? God?
Yeahs a nightmare and her housband, the fucking doctor. Her

(01:02:01):
husband was a doctor. Yeah, Yo, dude, your trash bro.
I don't think it. Sometimes you can't. He may have
been trashed it also maybe that just sometimes you can't
convince people when they get really roped in by it's
like a religious thing, like that's a part of this,
Like she believed in this. One believed this woman and
then yeah, and that's what. I don't think the guy's bad.

(01:02:22):
It sounds like the whole time he's like, I mean
especially like your wife is dying of cancer and she's like, well,
this woman makes me feel better. So there's a part
of you that's like, okay, yeah, whatever we can do
at this point. Fuck. And now he's probably like, well,
I'm gonna kill that lady is what I'm gonna do.
What happened panel will be. Dingle died from complications due

(01:02:46):
to colorectal cancer in two thousand five because it got
two worse. Yeah, it's believed she would have survived if
she'd undertaken conventional treatment after diagnosis. The whole case was
rather famous in Australia and resulted in a sizeable coroners inquest,
but oddly enough, Francines. Bryan face no long term punishment
as a result of her actions. As best I can tell,
she's still a practicing homeopath because all she did was

(01:03:07):
say don't don't, which is not illegal. Nope, you're just
giving someone bad advice, which is in illegal. Thank god,
we're all be in jail. Yeah, we would all be
in jail trying to sell Snipe Edison. Yes. God, Now,
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(01:03:30):
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(01:05:45):
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