Part Two: The Ivermectin Episode

Robert is joined again by Jamie Loftus to continue to discuss Ivermectin.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Behind the Bastards, the podcast that's a podcast
legally supposed to that, Jamie, There's no getting around it.
This is absolutely this is a podcast where a man
in an animal onesie depresses me over zoom, a man

(00:23):
in an animal onesie who also bragged about eating fresh
grapes during our little break. I kind of liked that. Yeah, yeah,
what I watch the Golden Girls, Jamie, Oh wait, what
do you say that? I do? Know? What did is? Now? Wow? Wow,

(00:44):
that's good. That's good Golden Girls. You know, people say
they learned nothing from Golden Girls except um, you know,
amazing sex tips. I learned a lot about Golden Girls
from you did. It's the biggest lesson you would say
you learned from the Golden Girl, Robert, is it always
your grapes? If you've killed somebody and you need to

(01:07):
get rid of the body, you don't want to use
a normal hack saw, right, You want to use like ideally,
like a reciprocating saw of some sort. And then the
other problem you're gonna have, Right, you can't just chop
the body up and then deal with the pieces. Ship's
gonna spray, so you're gonna have to cover a wide
hilarious scene. I didn't learn that from the show, but

(01:29):
I did learn that from one of the Golden Girls
when we killed together. I learned that from the Jinks.
That's another perfect murder in the Jinks. Well, really, speaking
of murder, do you want to continue talking about this topic? Yes?
Um so, Jamie? Yes? What is a podcast? Oh? What? Oh? Well,

(01:59):
it's where a series of sort of charismatic but maybe
not that charismatic group of Charlatan's. Uh sell you a mattress? Oh, Jamie,
I'm glad you brought up mattress is because Casper Mattress
has a new offer right now. Really, the only way

(02:20):
that finally the mattress that eats your ass, because I've
been waiting exactly at Jamie. It is the mattress that
eats ass, whether you ask for it or not. This
mattress doesn't ask consent. It just goes for it. See that,
I It just goes for it. Just there's so many

(02:40):
scenarios where that is going to be a problem. Well, Jamie,
if you want the mattress that asks for consent before
eating your ass, then you want a perfect distress. That's
the purple The purple matters checks. I've heard that its
purple mattress very considerate leves for it. Now what the

(03:04):
purple mattress great at consent? Checks can't talk about emotions.
The casper really emotionally open and has access to pretty
good ketamine, so so the pup. So the purple mattress
is cheaper, but you you will have to pay for it.
In terms of dragging it to to therapy. You're definitely
not going to get it to therapy easily. And again,

(03:26):
the casper has access to cheap ketamine. So that's the
great thing about happen Jamie. If you want a mattress
that eat your ass, you have a choice, and that's
what makes this the best system in the world. Are
you glad that we got this sorted out? Because I've
been sometimes there's just questions that you know that your
friend will be able to answer for you, but you

(03:48):
just don't really know how to like start the conversation.
You know, I can't call text you saying which mattress
eats the best ass? But I know you knew answer,
you know, But we have choice. That's what's beautiful we
have in Venezuela. You're lucky if you get one mattress
that eats your ass M and I we're very lucky
here we get to choose our ass eating mattresses. And

(04:10):
you know what else we get in America? Jamie loftus,
what is this metaphor? What? What? Oh? Wait, yes, now
I see what you're saying, Joe Rogan. Yes, yes, and
you get a choice too. You can either listen to
Joe Rogan give you inappropriate healthcare advice, or you can
just not listen to him and be quietly affected by

(04:30):
everything he says, because his influence is so great that
even if you don't like him personally, epidemic rates uh,
that will affect you and potentially derail your life. Will
will still I don't know. Here's a clip of Joe
Rogan announcing that he's tested positive for COVID nineteen got
tested and turns out I got COVID. So we immediately

(04:53):
through the kitchen sank out of all kinds of meds,
monoclonal antibodies, iver mect ins, pack uh, pregnizone, everything. Oh yeah,
keep it on a loop, baby. So this is God?
Also from why is this a thing with like gen

(05:14):
xers that it's like everything is from the least flattering
angle possible. What is that? What is the up angle?
You know? The more so easy to catch a better angle,
you know? Yeah, But the shittier the angle, the more
it looks authentic. I guess. Yeah. Oh, that's how Joe

(05:36):
Rogan tells us he's one of us. He's one of us.
He's one of us, just with an extra or so
million dollars Jamie sick. Yeah. If you're a person with
a reasonable grasp on observable reality, you will note that
Joe wrote in there specified that he'd used his rich
person powers to take every available treatment, and some of
those treatments are real medicines. Monoclonal antibodies absolutely do some

(05:59):
ship it um now, they were almost certainly unnecessary to him,
because it sounds like he may just have had asymptomatic
COVID and maybe all he needed to do with self
isolate for a little while um, which he did do,
I think. But monoclonal antibodies probably not necessary for him.
But if you have actually do get sick, can be
very helpfully than life saving saving. On the other hand,

(06:19):
the data suggests that iver mectin probably doesn't again not
solid solidified yet we may find that there's some treatment
case for it yet in the future, but certainly not
the same amount of evidence that there is for monoclonal antibodies. Now,
being a healthy guy with access to the best healthcare
on the planet, Joe was always likely to survive COVID

(06:40):
without much of an issue. And again he may have
just had an asymptomatic case or mostly a symptomatic case.
But because he took iver bactic alongside everything else, his
example is going to spur huge numbers of people who
can't afford monoclonal antibodies or around the clock medical observation,
but can afford to go down to the fucking feed store.
And that's again part of the problem, right. This is

(07:00):
how the intellectual dark web launders deadly misinformation, because if
you were to hold Joe's feet to the fire on this,
he would say, well, look, I didn't say take ivermectin
if you're sick. I said, we're going to do all
of the different things. You know, we tried everything. We
tried all of the different medications. Um, And if question,
I'm sure he would also explain that his iver mectin
was prescribed by a doctor and that there are doctors

(07:23):
like the fl C c C who will advise taking
iver mectin ethan as a prophylactic. He also took a
treat with lonxiety. YadA, YadA, YadA. But again, a lot
of the people listening are either just kind of here
that he endorsed iver macten or of all of the
things he listed, the only one they can afford is
ivermectin m It's great. So yeah, it's good, Jamie, We're

(07:46):
not good again. This is why the world is domed. So.
The Intellectual dark Web or i d W is a
term that was quote coined by a guy named Eric
Weinstein to describe himself and a loose alliance of other
right wing thought leaders who generally tended to not be
right wing. So embarrassing you came up with your own
name for what you when you don't think that's like

(08:11):
naming your band corn with a K. No except Corn rocks, Yeah,
corn does rock. No hate to corn, don't. I get
nothing against corn, either the food or the band. So
just an embarrassing name. It is an embarrassing name, but whatever,
so is Jesus Christ God smack. I heard gods that. Yeah,

(08:35):
that is pretty embarrassing. You know what, anyone with a
band name, it's if you think hard enough about it,
it gets embarrassing. I think Jamie and I are agreed.
The concept of music is cringe. Honestly, I'm glad someone
said it because I don't appreciate our die alone in
a small room. Come on, no one asked about your feelings. York.

(08:59):
I'm kid, I love I worship York. York rocks. Jamie
and she didn't need and she didn't need to. She
she she just goes by her name versus Corn or
god Smack Jonathan Godsmack has as much of a right
to his name as Yorks. There of the Boston god Smacks,

(09:20):
I believe the Boston gods kind of when I have
a kid and name it god Smack, now just have
to say that ship so Smack Evans god Smack get
down here, because I've never listened to one of their songs,
and I know that would be a lot of people's
first question. Oh see, yeah, maybe interesting. Maybe that is

(09:43):
why I've been put on this earth, is to spread
the good word of god Smack. It's because they're from Massachusetts?
Is that how I know who they are? So my
uncle would bring us to their concerts. Yeah, you know who.
What's not from Massachusetts is the intellectual dark Web, So
that actually a relief. I DW started out I think
around two that's an eighteen by branding itself as a

(10:05):
reaction to and a rejection of authoritarian left wing trends.
They defined these as cancel culture would be a big one.
Respect for trans people would be another big one. The
fact that groups of marginalized people get angry when you
question whether or not there, you know, deserve rights. The
fact that people get angry at that is authoritarian to

(10:26):
the I DW. So Barry Weiss, who used to be Yeah,
she's the one who popularized the term intellectual dark web
for a tween article for The Times, and ever since,
the luminaries of the I DW have position themselves opposite
the left on every conceivable social issue. Now, I don't
give Barry Weiss credit for much, but in that first

(10:49):
article on the I d W, she did identify what
would come to be a problem with the intellectual dark web. Quote.
I share the belief that our institutional gatekeepers need to
crack the it's open much more. I don't, however, want
to live in a culture where there are no gatekeepers
at all. Given how influential this group is becoming, I
can't be alone in hoping the I d W finds
a way to issue the cranks, grifters and bigots and

(11:10):
sticks to the truth seeking spoiler. They would not Berry,
that's our berry. Just kidding, I don't, I can't standard. Okay,
that's a lukewarm take and it's and it's bari. But
that's okay, you know what, you know what I could? Yeah, yeah,

(11:36):
buck it. So. Eric Weinstein, who named the I d W,
is the managing director of Teal capital Um. So he's
a real, real upstart truth teller really on the he
just manages billions of dollars in wealth. You know, he's
a he's an insurgent. He's an outsider. He's not like

(11:56):
the rest of us. He has he's not like those
rich journalists working for I don't know slate. He's not
like other girls. So Eric has a brother named Brett,
and Brett also is a memberi W. Because nepotism. Brett

(12:18):
is a former evolutionary biology professor from Evergreen State College.
He got famous when he resigned in two thousand seventeen.
Over the school's yearly day of absence. In years passed,
during the day of absence, students of color had left
campus to have conversations about race and equity, but that
year they asked white students to leave campus instead, and
Weinstein complained. He said this led the intolerant left to

(12:41):
bury him in death threats, which made the campus unsafe
for him and forced him to resign and sue his
former employer. He received a half a million dollars settlement.
Nice good stuff, real honest wages. So Brett operates with
his wife, Heather the Dark Horse YouTube channel, which is
probably the primary non medical source of irrational iver mect

(13:03):
and exuberance. Bain, that's just words, throbber. You can't just
say those words in that order and expect me to
think something I would, I can, and I have Oh
okay hm. So Brett and his wife left on the
anti parasitic drug as soon as the first studies into
its efficacy were released. Like the FLCCC, he started off

(13:25):
by pointing out that he had a history of being
right about important COVID facts that the medical establishment had
been wrong about, namely wearing a mask. You remember when
we were out of masks, and doctor said it might
not be necessary because we didn't know much about it
at that point. Well, Brett claims he was right about that.
Who the funk knows, um, So it's not like masks

(13:48):
were an option for most of us. We were cutting
them out of fucking t shirts, Brett. Anyway, I'm gonna
quote next from Vice. They began promoting I've Met In
this spring and interviewed Corey on their podcast in early June.
Corey claimed that public health bodies are ignoring the potential
uses of iver mactin in the fight against COVID nineteen,
perhaps deliberately striking the same conspiratorial tone that often arises

(14:10):
in conjunction with flimsy medical claims. He speculated that a
World Health Organization committee was told they can't come out
of that room with a recommendation for iver macten. Corey
and Weinstein both agreed that COVID nineteen vaccines are being
promoted at the expense of other treatments, seemingly for the
benefit of the same sinister they's whom they imply control
the w h O and other health agencies. Another podcast

(14:32):
featured Weinstein literally taking iver mactin on air. We are
not going to make any recommendations as to what you
should do, Weinstein said shortly before doubting the drug. And
we're not going to say anything conclusive about what the
data say, because the data are not themselves conclusive. However,
it doesn't mean the data don't imply things. Robert I
fear that our medium is the source of all of

(14:53):
society's current ills. Well, social media, our medium is part
of its. Social media is really what got the ball
rolling before podcasts were because this is also on YouTube
where he's doing. It's like it's all part of it.
Podcasts are part of it. To this part of it's
this whole. You know, Barry Weiss talks about the gate
there were too many gatekeepers, um. And the problem is

(15:14):
now there are. There's no such there's no gate there's
nothing at all. You just pick the facts that are
most convenient to you, um, and then you get increasingly
violently agitated when reality doesn't line up with those facts,
and so you attack the capital and start storming school
board meetings and threatening to murder school administrators who demand people.

(15:38):
I think that they're still gates, but the gates are
far tinier and very easy to knock over. So it's
like there's one person to each gate, and so you
could just walk up and they're like, yeah, come on
in whatever, Like there's no institutional gate. Not that I'm
advocating for an institutional gate, but in this case, there were.
There were probably were way too. It's not like I'm

(16:01):
not saying like, oh, we need to go back to
the good old days when Walter Cronkite was the entirety
of news, you know, when there was one source of news.
Of course, not the fact that there is a massive
that you can make millions of dollars if you just
wait until somebody makes a vague suggestion that a medication
might be helpful and then tell them to issue all
proven medications in favor of that, and then claim that

(16:24):
you're being silenced by medical authorities when doctors say what
you're saying is a bad idea and that way you
make huge amounts of money. That's bad. Yeah, you should
have to be able to like prove what you're claiming
if you're claiming to be an authority. I think I
don't know. I don't know what the long term solution is,
and I don't think we'll find it, um, but maybe

(16:45):
it would be something like, Okay, well you told a
bunch of people to take iver meton and not get vaccinated,
and these people died, So we're going to shoot you
in a field. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I mean
in minecraft, of course, but I I see what you're saying.
So Weinstein went on in that episode to claim that

(17:08):
neither he or his wife have been vaccinated quote because
we have fears, as we have discussed it length on
this podcast, and that given the apparent effectiveness that iver
mectin and iver mectine preventing COVID nineteen, why would he
bother taking the vaccine cost benefit? For me? It makes sense, um.
So when VISs asked Heather and her husband which reputable

(17:28):
scientific sources they followed on ivermectin, Heather responded like a
truly gifted grifter, And as a connoisseur of grifters, I
have to give her a little clap for this response. Quote,
we are not following any particular experts. That isn't what
scientists are supposed to do. We have been in continue
to read the scientific literature as it emerges. The one

(17:49):
exception to this is with regard to Protocol for using
Ivermectin as a prophylact against COVID nineteen, which is listed
on the website for the front Line COVID nineteen Critical Carolines,
an organization of dot years of what Dr Corey is
a leading figure. So we don't we aren't following any experts,
but we are only listening to this one guy and
taking this medicine because he said too, Um, it's good ship.

(18:12):
Sure sure, no, that that's solid solid. This is like absurd, Okay,
now after it's good stuff. After Brett took iver met
and Live on air, Heather claim she and her entire
family began taking it as a prophylactic. At one point,
Brett Weinstein acknowledged that his advice might stop people from

(18:33):
getting vaccinated. Quote, they could well contract COVID nineteen when
they otherwise would not have. They might die. That's not
a responsibility I want, but it's I feel it's one
I must take on because the analysis that matters is
the net analysis. What is the best policy from the
point of view of reducing the number of people lost
to this disease as opposed to lost to adverse reactions
to vaccines? So that's bad but it is Brett acknowledging

(18:58):
again that he know he's going to get people killed.
It's him claiming, of course that is net he's getting
less people killed, but he fucking knows what he's doing, right,
That's that's I mean, I guess that's not even really
tripping me up logic wise, because it's abundantly clear that
this that this group is aware that this is a
risk the entire time. And I feel like that is like,

(19:20):
in the case of Joe Rogan, one of the only
things that is preventing him from falling off the edge
of a cliff is he will never acknowledge that he
knows that what he is doing that hundreds of millions
of people consume every week, has a demonstrable harm. And
if he admits that, then the game has kind of
changed a little bit for him. But the fact that
he would admit it, like Brett, I mean, would it
would admit that he's well aware of the consequences of

(19:44):
his actions in public, that easily is like just speaking
of the consequences of his actions, Jamie, So do tell
oh yeah, oh no, we'll we'll be we'll be getting
to the consequences of it. But you know. So. Brett
has more than five hundred sixty thousand followers on Twitter
and three d and fifty one thousand followers on YouTube.

(20:06):
One of his followers was an Englishman named Leslie Lawrenson.
Note that I said was oh. Leslie regularly shared Brett's content.
Underneath one post where in Leslie shared one of Brett's videos,
he wrote, quote and this is this is Leslie iver.
Meton has been around for forty years. There have been
more than four billion doses administered in that time, and

(20:27):
its risk profile is extremely well known. Frontline doctors across
the world have reported that it is not only safe,
but extremely effective and ji successfully treating COVID nineteen. Yet
its use as being suppressed and blocked by every single
government that is within the purview of big pharma and
the mainstream media is exercising a media blackout a k a.
Censorship regarding its existence so that the sheep never get
to hear about it. Shortly after that, he posted a

(20:49):
video announcing that he had caught COVID nineteen and that
he was glad of this because the virus was nothing
different from a normal illness and the potential risks of
the vaccine were not worth it. Days later, his family
found him dead in his home. God, I mean, it's like,
do you need a more one to one analysis of
what this guy's rhetoric is doing. That's that's like, that's

(21:09):
that's negligent homicide. That should be punished the same way
as getting somebody with your car when you're wasted. Um
lots of platform than ever before Rogan show. And yeah,
I'm not you know, I I'm very critical of a
lot of like the revolutionary fantasizing among some such sections

(21:33):
of the left and the up against the wall bring
out the guillotines part, but yeah, sucking bring out the guillotines.
Let's do It's like, that's that's that's right. There's some
clear cut examples of like, well, that situation calls you're
you are knowingly getting people killed for your own personal
benefit and I don't really care what happens to you, Brett,

(21:56):
And it's not even he can't even like and and
there's nay him to the faces and he knows the
names and he knows the faces and he doesn't give
a ship like that is just horrific. Anyway, Let's have
a Nuremberg for disinformation um and like the actual Nuremberg Court,
most of the guilty people will get off scott free

(22:18):
and later wind up working for NASA, And then someone
will make to Joe Rogan designing the first successful mars Lander.
H Joe Rogan is the Berner von Brown in this
Yeah what sorry? I see the spaceship that Joe Rogan makes.

(22:40):
Do you I mean, is it possible to make a
bigger uh like Penis complex and Jeff Bezos is? I
would like to see Joe Rogan try. You know, I
don't think that Joe Rogan has that same particular issue
that Jeff Bezos has. What what do you think his
problem is? What makes he has a lot of rob

(23:00):
But he strikes me. I don't think he's insecure like that.
That does not strike me as Joe Rogan's issue. Clearly,
fucking both Bezos and Musk are, but I think Joe
Rogan is. I think Joe Rogan would have been a
perfectly banal, perhaps even positive influence on society if we
had never developed the Internet. He would have been. He

(23:21):
would have been great at you go in to watch
a bunch of sweaty guys punch each other and Joe
is an entertaining announcer, and that would have been factor
residuals and like living in Glendale for the rest of
his life, and we wouldn't have known the difference. No,
And you could say, oh, I like Joe Rogan, and
people would say, oh, yeah, the guy who made people

(23:42):
eat bugs. He was funny, and that would be the
end of the motherfuck. I would have no lover. I
love when people eat bugs. It's when you start spreading
disinformation to hundreds of millions of people, to the point where,
like you were saying, even if you don't give a
shit about him, you can't escape the consequences of his actions,

(24:03):
which he claims is free thinking. I just I'm getting
all sweaty like a Joe Rogan just thinking about it.
I can't stand it. Jamie, you're so shiny right now.
Oh my gosh, I'm so shy. I'm sorry. All the
blood is at the surface of my skin. And that's
why that's happening. Well, you know what, sweat it's gonna

(24:27):
it's gonna be some weird, weird thing that will make
you sweat as the ad. But yeah, what's not going
to actually a lot of our because like if you're taken,
if you're taking dick pills, they will cause things that
will lead the sweating for sure, you know, fair enough.
Sex works. And if you take a Honda Odyssey we're
sponsored by Honda hot it is yes, it will, Jamie, Okay,

(24:54):
just checking. Honda Odyssey will eat your ass. Um, Oh
my god. It doesn't ask for consent. But unlike the
Casper mattress, it does not have a good well yeah,
at your own discretion. All right, we are back. We

(25:19):
are back and and talking about ship. That's none of
your goddamn business. During the break, what do you what
do you? What are you doing prying into our personal lives? God,
damn it. I told you once listener boundaries on boundary. Look,
I'm open break down those parasocial walls. Come over to

(25:40):
my house, poison me in my sleep. That is that
is why we get up. She's like one of four
people that I really like. You can find my You
can find my address in the show notes. Um, it's
the only show note we still publish because Jamie law
This is a dressed in a series of recent photo

(26:01):
dress come to the duplex I live in. There's no
air conditioner and it's very hot, but please don't please.
You'll notice, Jamie that we haven't laid any clips of
from Brett's YouTube videos. This is because YouTube has started
removing his content that discusses ever mected in vaccines. A

(26:23):
week or so before I wrote this, Weinstein tweeted YouTube
just demonetized both dark Horse channels, wiping out more than
half of our family income. Their message dropped the science
and stick to the narrative or else. So a bevy
of right wing and generally oppositional defiant thought leaders spoke
up in Brett Weinstein's defense. These included Matt Taiebe, whose

(26:46):
recent turn has really bumped me out being a fan
of his earlier work. Matt wrote an article titled meet
the censored Brett Weinstein quote, as detailed in why has
I ever met? In become a dirty word? Weinstein is
on the version becoming one of the more prominent casualties
to a censorship movement that it's hard not to see
as part of a whier evergreening of America. He's referring

(27:07):
to the college that that Brett left because he was
being a baby. Yeah, that's where he got he had
to resign from because he didn't want to walk out
during anyway. It was he made nothing into a big
deal because he's a fucking baby like all of these
fun Yeah, that's the m O, right. You know what
happens when people ask me to do stuff I don't

(27:28):
want to do. I I just quietly go don't do it,
and I don't make a big deal about it, because
because why would you, Like, you don't want to you
don't want to leave campus during the day when they
ask the white people to leave, Just do keep doing
your thing, suck it like, you don't have to make
a big deal about it and it'll go away. It's fine.
You don't have to. You don't have to make everything.
You don't have to be a baby about everything. But
if you are a baby about specifically things that the

(27:51):
left does, then you'll make millions of dollars becoming a
right wing thought leader, which is why he's done it.
He doesn't believe anything fun all these people the thought
leader is such a meaningless her. I just yeah, every
every element of uh this man's being is disgusting to me.
Um uh so. Bill Maher also came to Brett's defense,

(28:15):
along with of course, Barry Weiss, glid Greenwald and busy
on She's on Bill Maher all the time. It's the
most effective Republican working today at it. And it's so
funny because Barry Weiss, in her first article in the
id W is like, I hope they get a handle
on grifters and people spreading misinformation, but of course when
they actually do that, she defends them to the fucking

(28:37):
hill because she's also wait, not the grifters, I like,
makes eight hundred grand year writing shitty sub stack articles
about how canceled she is. No who is read by
these None of these fucking people actually suffer consequences. They
just wind about the consequences they're not suffering because they're
fucking babies. Fucking hate all these people. So um Ben

(28:59):
Shapiro aimed breadths demonetization on the increasingly sensorious laughed Weinstey
took the Odyssey an alternative YouTube replacement for canceled people,
but the reality is that he has not been at
all censored. YouTube's policies on iver Mectin are extremely liberal,
as this quote from Vice makes clear, and I think

(29:19):
this is by Anna Merlin. She's done a lot of
the best reporting on the ivermectin stuff. Yeah, I like
her a lot um quote. Weinstein's tweets called the YouTube
decision an assault on science. But according to YouTube, even
materials that advocate for the use of unproven COVID treatments
like iver mectin or hydroxy clerquin would be allowed, so
long as there's some nod to the fact that medical

(29:39):
and health authorities worldwide don't currently recommend them as a
COVID treatment. Ivermectin as an anti parasite and has been
widely and safely used in both humans and animals for
that purpose for decades, among other things. As an example,
the company pointed to a January video from Dr Mike Hanson,
an internist and pulmonologist, who said he was cautiously optimistic
about iver mecton as a treatment option, but acknowledged that

(29:59):
the studies conducted on it up to that point weren't
numerous or necessarily high quality. You see, Brett was not
demonetized for being a truth teller. He was demonetized because
YouTube's policies. You can say, hey, ivermectin white might work.
You can even you can even tell people things that
might leave most of them to take ivermectin as long
as you're saying, hey, this isn't proven yet and the

(30:20):
studies are very much inconclusive. Right, there's you can talk
about iver emecton, you can talk about remcting research. You
can't say it's a wonder drug that works better than
the vaccines, because that's a fucking lie that will get
people killed. Brett, you fucking idiot. Um, He's not an idiot.
He's very good at making a lot of money in
a very specific evil. No, it's like he's he knows
exactly what he's doing. Like he's he's very cannily manipulating

(30:48):
the information ecosystem in order to make a profit. And
he is will he does not care that it's killing people. Um,
and he him through the shredder. That's my best guiety idea.
I've been saying it for years, the largest shredder available.
I think. Actually what you should do is exclusively let

(31:10):
him hang out in a room with his biggest fans.
Make him live with them, and he has to listen
to all of their opinions, no matter how long winded
they are, which they all are. COVID from them, and
he hust to let them cough on him again. Brett
is claiming to be censored and shipped. He was not censored.

(31:32):
He broke incredibly permissive policies that YouTube has set by
literally stating on air that i ever Metton was quote
something like a dcent effective at stopping you catching COVID,
which it is not, Which it is not. They're made.
We may find when conclusive results come in that i
ever Metton has a medical case use for COVID nineteen.

(31:52):
There is a non distinctly non zero chance of that um,
perhaps even a decent one, that it has specific uses
in eatment um. It is not a percent effect if
at stopping you catching COVID. It's just not. You know why.
Some of the people who listen to Brett Weinstein are
dead now. So of course Brett is now doing the

(32:14):
canceled truth tellers circuit. Barry Weiss compared him getting demonetized
and having videos removed from YouTube to a book burning
um quote, how have we gotten to the point we're
having conversations about important scientific and medical subjects require such
a high level of personal risk. How have we accepted
a reality which big tech can carry out the digital

(32:35):
equivalent of book burnings? And why is it that so
few people are speaking up against the status quo. Also,
by the way, Barry, Weiss and Brett would all have
been huge fans of the original Nazi book burnings because
those were deliberately targeting the healthcare of trans people. Um Anyway,
Joe Rogan has acted as a significant amplifier of Weinstein's nonsense.

(32:56):
In an episode with comedian Dave Smith, Rogan said that
he'd been listen thing to Weinstein and Hyans advice on ivermectin.
In the same episode, he said that COVID vaccines weren't
necessarily for most people, and that getting them was just
virtue signaling for a lot of us. Quote, if you're
like twenty one years old and you say to me,
should I get vaccinated? I'll go no now. In his defense,

(33:17):
Rogan later called himself a fucking moron for this, which is,
to be fair, an unequivocal statement of fact, that that
was a stupid fucking thing that he said. The problem
is that, again, a hundred million people listened to those
fucking shows. How many of them made healthcare decisions based
on what you said earlier and maybe didn't catch the
other thing right Like I found Jordan Peterson tweeting about

(33:40):
ivermectin and stuff, and he tweets both the positive and
the negative studies. Guess which one gets twice as many
likes and retweets, Like, dude, it's I look, I say
this as a comedian. Don't fucking listen to us. We
don't unless we have unless there's footnotes, unless there's ship
that is like demonstrably but like there, I don't know

(34:03):
this whole, Like it's just not true, Like don't try.
Why would you trust someone who makes a living monetizing
their opinions. That's like the worst, It's impossible. It drives
me up a wall anytime someone like they're like, oh,
comedians are the philosophers, and they're like, no, they're they're not. No,
they monetize their opinions. That are kind of funny sometimes

(34:26):
like that, you know what. He also had a three
minute bit about a twelve year old girl's genitals. Maybe
we shouldn't have listened to any of them that much,
Like there's so like it's none of it age as well,
it's not based it's like by design, not based in fact,
unless they're working in some other fucking capacity, Like why

(34:50):
obviously Joe Rogan doesn't know what he's talking about. Like
then his job description that he states his opinions for money.
I wondered extent. You know, Jamie, you and I both
worked at Cracked for different periods of time and different
checks chunks. We both we both cash them checks from
the old place. Um. And a big part of cracks

(35:10):
business model was like getting people to pay attention to
fact based articles, to like to learn things by kind
of wrapping them in comedy. Um, boy howdy, there isn't
a day that goes by that. I don't wonder did
that do more harm than good in the end, because
obviously we weren't doing this kind of ship. We were
not giving people healthcare advice about like telling them how

(35:32):
to take vaccines. But the broader trend of like well,
it's like it's the same with the John Stewart stuff,
right the Daily Show, where it's like, well, this is
you know, quote unquote better news than the real news,
and it's like, well, no, no, it's not. It. Maybe
it maybe better news than what talking heads on like
twenty four hour news channels give you. Sure it may

(35:53):
be better than like different news anchors, but also what
they're doing. Is that journalism. They're just reading from a
fucking pro about actual journalism, Like it's not that's a
different brand of monetizing your opinions. Like the problem is
so drawt and it's not a right wing problem. The
right wing has monetized and most effectively and used it

(36:13):
most effectively to derail human civilization. But it's it's it's
a human problem and part of the problem like fundamentally
a big part of the issue that like, if somebody
makes you laugh, you listen to them because we like
to laugh. Like sure, I mean we're beneficiaries of that, absolutely, absolutely.
And there's definitely people who think that I know things

(36:35):
that I do not know I am. I am a legitimate,
recognized expert on on two things. One of them is
how extremist groups use the Internet to recruit and radicalize people,
and the other is how not to die while taking
weird research chemicals that you bought off of a Canadian
pharmaceutical website and anything else that I tell you, I'm
not an expert. Um, you can ask me about cathy comics,

(36:58):
and you can ask me about the history of Chucky cheese, animatronics,
anything else. It's and I don't even I wouldn't even
say that I'm like an expert on mensa. I have
experience with them, I've researched them, but it's I can't
claim to be the main expert on that. That's a
very large issue that you saying. That has made me

(37:19):
decide to make you my primary healthcare provider. Now, how
much cancer should I have removed? Because I feel like
some of it's gould to keep, right, you want to
have some in there just so you don't get lazy, right, Well,
I like to think of keeping some in there as
a memory. Yeah. The science of memories is uh is

(37:42):
very under researched, and I would say that I'm an
expert in in memories. You want to keep your physical
ailments in you just about like two or three percent,
and you do run the risk of them growing and
hurting you, But don't you wouldn't you be sadder if
you lost the memory? Absolutely? See, this is the kind
of hard getting medical advice that podcasts were invented to give.

(38:04):
It's just like it's it's it's so it's so frustrating
that this is happening at the end, and at some
point it's like I feel like Joe Rogan has reached
this level of cognitive dissonance where he has to tell
himself that it's you know, not causing the clear harm
that it's that it's causing because it's like too late

(38:24):
on his career trajectory to start backpedaling it. That he's
you know, platforming really dangerous people and has been for
basically the entire run of his show. I wonder how
much he thinks about it, because I I fucking do
a lot, Janie, and I don't try not like I
don't give people health care advice unless I'm literally reading
here is the medically recognized advice here, Like with a vaccine,

(38:48):
I'll tell you to get the vaccine because there's an
overwhelming preponderance of evidence that it it saves lives. UM.
But you know, there's stuff like we did a Bill
Gates episode, right, and I fucked up a fact in it,
which was this UM this this circumcision program that I
still think has some kind of gross undertones. But I
was wrong about a lot of the negatives of that

(39:09):
UM and I kind of got I found the source
that was not UM that I should have vetted more properly,
and I recorded a correction. We put it up in
the episode, but by god, there's still people who will
like make jokes about that part of the episode that
makes me think they didn't catch the correction. Um, And
that is which minor compared to showing people not to

(39:32):
get vaccinated. But it's still like, sure it should worry,
but did you do this? Yeah, I mean it's it
is um And I feel like the nature of and
this isn't even a criticism of Joe Brogan. I mean
it's this is like the nature of podcasts and the
nature of a lot of whatever. Like I can't think

(39:53):
of a less like a worst term in the on
the planet, but like content creation in general, is that
there is such a pressure on people to release so
much so quickly that it's like it's inevitably there's going
to be stuff that isn't carefully vetted enough because of

(40:14):
the capitalistic demand for there to be more and more
and more of it. And it's I mean the amount
I mean, if you just think of the sheer amount
of information and just like stuff that Joe Rogan releases
into the world in a single week, there's no way
that it could be properly vetted there's not enough time
to properly vet a show like that, and it's like, well,

(40:37):
then maybe there's an issue with how it's being done.
I don't, but but there's such a clear incentive for
him to do that that maybe that makes it worth
the cognitive dissidence that he's clearly hurting people. I don't know,
it's just it's it's it's a real problem, Jamie. I mean,
I I don't know. This is this is like the

(40:58):
biggest moral laundry within my my own life, my own
personal ethics. Like I'm way less worried about the ethics
of me personally driving a fucking car that burns gasoline,
and I am worried about the ethics of life we
got behind the Bastard's got like five and a half
million downloads last month, right, and then another one point. Well,

(41:19):
but I'm something up And depending on what you funk up,
it can permanently alter someone's the way people think about
the world. And I'm not trying to be arrogant there.
I have people talk to me about the influence things
that I've said have had on them, and I think
it's generally been positive. Like it's often someone being like

(41:41):
I was, you know, on the alt right or whatever
and like the night, and so I feel fine about that,
but like you don't actually know what impact you're having
on all them, because maybe it's more subtled for a
lot of people. Maybe you say something off handedly that
is inaccurate, and for whatever reason, it causes someone to
make a choice they wouldn't eitherwise have made and they're
not even aware of it. Because when you're producing content

(42:03):
at that kind of scale, to that kind of that
many people, I don't know, we should all be more
concerned about what we're doing for a living. I guess
I agree. Yeah. I mean it's like we're certainly like
not above this criticism in any way. It's something that
like I think about all the time where it's I mean,
we're we're above it, and that neither you or I
or pretending or giving people a vice on taking unregulated

(42:24):
and unapproved medications to treat a pandemic. We are better
than them, I will say that, Yeah, we're better than
the people that are killing people. But that but what
a low bar to clear. I think about that a lot,
where it's like there's time there's times that people have
like I don't know, or just sort of you hear

(42:45):
someone's takeaway from your work repeated back to you, and
just like I've had moments where someone has said something
to me of like well when I heard that you
did this, I was like, oh wow, and and it
was like, well, that's not really what I was saying.
That's not really what I was saying, but that's what
you took away. And that's kind of the the risk

(43:06):
that you take when you release shipped into the world.
Like it's just I don't know, I mean with obviously
not a new problem, but on this like scale and
in this way, it it really uh is it stressful? Yeah,
it's made me. Unfortunately, the most influential people on the
planet don't give a ship. So there you go. Yep,

(43:26):
so there you They don't think about this at all
unless they're thinking. So this was a long digression, but
I think a necessary one. Um. I want to get
back to that episode. Rogan did the Emergency episode with Weinstein,
Weinstein and Dr Pierre Corey Um where they talked about
how and one of the things they talked about they
brought up a lot of bad science, including the what

(43:46):
was it the fucking um um This one of the
studies we broke down earlier UM, but one of the
things that Corey talked about in that episode was that
the virus had been quote eradicated in monkey kidney cells
in a lab test UH and the cells. The kidney
cells that they had used are called varo cells, which
are used by virologists in research UM, including some early

(44:07):
research into hydroxy larkin last year. But as Wired reported
in increasing evidence suggests that varrow cells actually might be
a terrible thing to use for studying treatments to coronavirus
is in this way. Quote. Human lung cells contain at
least two different enzymes that can help the virus sneak
through their membranes. With vario cells, however, only one of
those modes of entry is available, and it turns out

(44:28):
to be the one that hydroxy chlorine will block. Pullman
and his team publish the results in the journal Nature
on July twenty two. For him, it's a clear example
of while using human lung cells is really important in
studying this pandemic virus, varrow cells should be handled with caution.
Pullman says, it's true that the varo cells are very popular,
but unfortunately for this particular aspect of COVID nineteen research.
They are absolutely not useful. I think this is now

(44:50):
clear to the field. And that's again part of the issue.
What Corey is saying isn't a lie. You couldn't prosecute
him for it or like take his medical license. It's
true that there was a study where they eliminated COVID
the nineteen and monkey kidney cells in the lab test
using i've ever met. The problem is that when you
actually look in varo cells in their use in COVID
nineteen virology research, they're very flawed. And that's not what

(45:13):
you're getting in that fucking Joe Rogan episode. And it's
a thing that it's very frustrated um. In conversations with Rogan,
Weinstein Pup pushed the extremely successful line of claiming that
iver mectin is being suppressed as a treatment because it's
not profitable. You have a drug that's good enough to
in the pandemic at any point you wanted. Who decides
to prioritize business interests ahead of that? I find it

(45:34):
hard to imagine. He speculated that the pharmaceutical industry has
corrupted the system of approving new drugs and that because
there's no profit to be made from ivermectin, it's being
ignored or smothered now. During their emergency episode discussion, Dr
Pierre Corey backed Weinstein up in this line of reasoning,
claiming no one is going to fund pharmaceutical trials around
i've emectin. No one, he said, is championing i've e

(45:56):
mectin except for my little group of nonprofit doctors. I
can't say they're not nonprofit. I'm not. Really, my little
doesn't mean they're not making money. That's how nonprofits work. Yeah, yeah, boy,
Okay that was that gave me a migraine. Okay. Also,

(46:18):
what he said is just objectively untrue. A lot of
people are funding pharmaceutical trials around ivermectin. A study from
Spain was published earlier this year that showed no difference
in outcomes as a result of ivermectin use. Oxford University
just announced that they would be studying ivermacton as part
of a massive study on COVID treatments. There have been
a bunch of studies on ivermectin which are very like

(46:39):
have a lot of disputing, like different kind of results
to them, but like it's not. It's not being ignored,
it's being studied. You're just demanding that people come to
a conclusion about it before the actual science is there,
because you're a grifter. Now, it's worth noting that the
main manufacturer of iver macton Um has also warned people
against taking their medicine from cod that they recently announced

(47:01):
that their own product has quote no scientific basis for
a potential therapeutic effect against COVID nineteen from pre clinical trials,
no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in
patients with COVID nineteen disease, and a concerning lack of
safety data. And I'm not one to go to bat
for big pharma, but they have a profit motive in

(47:21):
they would make a lot of money by pretending otherwise.
Um right, So yeah, it's it's like, I don't even
think it's going too bad for big Farma to say that.
The fact that they it was this series of an
issue that yeah, from a like game check, like what
else do you need to hear? Please stop taking our
horse medicine for covid? So right, right, they don't do

(47:43):
that very often. They're not one to pass on a check.
We've talked about the flcc in the intellectual dark web
so far. But there's one last bad actor in the
Iramicton story that I should probably explain, an organization called
America's Frontline Doctors. These cats came onto the scene in
July when a group of them gave a press conference
on the steps of the Supreme Court urging people to

(48:04):
take hydroxy clerk wine. They claimed that the mental toll
of the lockdowns was worse than the virus, which by
that point had killed several hundred thousand Americans. While the
FLCCC started their public careers by making serious medical claims
that wound up being very valid, the a f l
D was bogus from the get go. They timed their
coming out speech to coincide with a major push President
Trump made to convince governors to reopen states. The basic

(48:27):
idea was that hydroxy clerklin was all the medicine American
needed to reopen. This was patently absurd, and the medical
community responded accordingly. From time quote, to the extent that
the mainstream medical community paid attention to the group at all,
it was to point out that these doctors making the
statements lacked the expertise to comment. There was no evidence
that any of the doctors who spoke that day had
treated patients severely ill with the virus. According to MedPage Today,

(48:50):
a peer reviewed medical news site, none of them were
infectious disease experts or worked in intensive care units during
the pandemic. One was best known for promoting bizarre religious beliefs,
including tweeting that American needed deliverance from demon sperm because
people were falling ill from having sex with demons and
witches in their dreams. Two of the front line, two

(49:10):
of them were ophthalmologists, only one of which was still
licensed the emergence. Yeah, so again f l C c C.
These are more credible doctors. But just because someone says
it's an organization of doctors, dig a little deeper. You
know who else? Were all doctors? The guys prescribing people
in l A marijuana back in the mid odds, and

(49:33):
most of them were day drunk while doing it. They
were not doing medicine. They were giving us access to pot,
which it is fine, but it wasn't medicine, which is
it's a victimless crime, but it's so. The quote from
Time the emergence of a f l D was a
coordinated political effort months in the making. The group was
the brainchild of the Council for National Policy, a secretive

(49:55):
network of conservative activists. During a May eleventh call of
CNP members that was leaked to the Center for Media
and Democracy, a progressive watchdog, group members complained that Trump
was being slammed for his handling of the pandemic, including
failing to follow scientific guidelines. The group needed their own
medical professionals to promote their message, they said, in the
face of data showing two thirds of Americans were wary

(50:16):
of restarting the economy, so very much an AstroTurf sort
of thing to to justify a reopening, you know, at
the cost of people's lives. Nancy Schultzer, republican activist, had
spoken up during this call and hinted at the existence
of the a f l D. Quote, there was a
coalition of doctors who were extremely pro Trump that have

(50:36):
been preparing and coming together for a war ahead in
the campaign on healthcare, and these doctors could be activated
for this conversation. Now, get it's all out there. All
of this is public information. Obviously they're talking about they're
talking about this like they're fucking like deep frozen Marvel

(50:57):
heroes that they could be activated for a that's just yeah,
but you know, okay, frozen Marvel hero Jamie who, the
products and services that support this podcast all crash landed
into the Arctic while trying to something to do World
War two? Right? Do they have good butts? Do they

(51:20):
have good butts? It's incredible sometimes talking about Chris Evans here, right, yeah,
we're talking about we're talking about but from as look,
nobody's you know, there's a lot of scientific debate about
round Iver Mecton. Ain't no debate around Chris evans Is ass. No,

(51:40):
that's a there's some things that bring people together, and
Chris Evans's ass is one of those things exactly, and
a cure for COVID nineteen. Anyway, Roberts what, I don't know.
I mean, I guess it's spreading the rumor that Chris Evans,
what would you does his like? And I don't want

(52:02):
to destroy his ass for fake science. The good news
about Chris Evans's ass is that I don't know. I
don't know how to continue this joke. So obvious we're back,
and obviously scientific evidence eventually made it clear that hydroxy

(52:25):
clorkman is not a miracle cure. We got our vaccines.
Trump lost the election, and the virus kept mutating because
of a bunch of people refused to wait to get
vaccinated before going on in public and also to get vaccine. Anyway,
whatever it happened, you know the story, listener. The a
f l D continued to shift and change to offer
effective disinformation at every stage of the pandemic. At the start,

(52:46):
the group's leader, Dr Simone Bold had focused on the
danger of the lockdown and minimize the deadliness of COVID.
Once hundreds of thousands of people were dead, she pivoted
to claiming that hydroxy clorkman could save lives and in
the pandemic, the a f l d s videos were
regular really shown on info Wars, and the group partnered
with the right wing conspiracy theorist named Jerome Corsi to
sell prescriptions for hydroxy poor quin via a sketchy tele

(53:07):
medicine site. In January, Dr Gold took part in the
January sixth insurrection. The A f l D sent emails
to their begging for urgent and generous donations to withstand
such aggressive assaults from the ruthless enemies of free speech.
They raised nearly half a million dollars for Gold's legal defense.
I know it's rad right, Oh my god, it's good. Okay,

(53:30):
just keep reading this. The al spent the spring and
early summer engaging in predictable grifts. They held a national
RV tour, which sold v I P tickets for a
thousand bucks a pop to meet Dr Gold complaints. On
the l a f l D telegram channel, they could
clear that these appearances were regularly canceled at the last minute.
One user in Cleveland wrote on June twenty two that

(53:51):
hundreds of US registered and received no information or cancelation notice,
to which the a f l D monitors responded the
events could quote continue only when everyone donates what they
hand monthly. Just a fucking grift. With the luster off
of hydroxy corkland, the A f l D focus of
messaging on just being anti vax for a while. They
called the vaccines experimental biological agents and blamed them for

(54:13):
forty five thousand deaths. All of this was pretty bog
standard stuff, and the A f l D was honestly
languishing a little behind the pack in terms of COVID
disinformation until ivermectin came onto the scene. When it did,
the A f l D turned out to have the
best infrastructure in place to take advantage of it because
they had been They had this telemedicine network, They had

(54:34):
these deals with like companies with pharmacies and whatnot through
a telemedicine network to prescribe people hydroxy corkland, and they
were able to just pivot that ship to getting people
prescriptions for ivermectin, And they had a hundred and sixty
thousand followers on their telegram channels to sell shipped. To
quote from Time, two pharmacists told Time they were alarmed
when they noticed an odd surgeon I ever met in

(54:55):
prescriptions called in by telemedicine doctors in recent weeks. We're
calling it the second coming of hydroxy poor quint. When
pharmacist in Maine says noting he had seen prescriptions come
in from quack telehealth prescribers in Texas, Florida, Illinois, and California,
it's wild to me and other pharmacists I've talked to
you how people won't get a vaccine that is well
tolerated and effective because it's experimental, but they'll take a
dose of ipromectin that's been extrapolated based on weight from

(55:18):
equine veterinary guidelines. On social media, a f l D
is one of the top organizations steering customers to the
de warming medication as a coronavirus treatment. On its website,
people looking for COVID nineteen medicine are told to click
on the link labeled contact a Physician and pay ninety
dollars for a consultation. The link takes customers to another website,
Speak with an m D, where they're asked to submit

(55:40):
payment information and told one of the frontline doctors will
call them within a few days, with sick patients being prioritized.
The group describes this is the same process that you, like,
get your dog to be able to go on a
plane with you an emotional support dog system, whereas your
just give someone a hundred dollars and then you get
to do what you want for base stically no reason

(56:01):
or to not have to pay sorry to like get
your dog into a building, which is fine. So the
service they use is called Encore Telemedicine, which is one
of a bunch of different services that purports to connect
patients to doctors who can write prescriptions. A lot of
perfectly legitimate services do this. I've gotten prescriptions for allergy

(56:21):
meds and the like renew it this way. But the
doctor I do telemedicine through was also a real doctor
that I visited in person since two Well, yeah, my
doctor offers you can do like follow up visits and
stuff via zoom and stuff during the pandemic, and so
it's like, yeah, I believe you're visiting a real doctor. Yeah, yeah,

(56:42):
for that, I'm visiting a real doctor. When I went
ketemy and I go to a Mexican veterinary well actually
usually just to feed supply story. They sell it O
TC over there. Rot. Do you want some ketamine? Jamie?
Want not today? I mean give me a couple of weeks.
Say your friend's dog has nerve pain. Oh, I've h

(57:07):
I don't know. I don't know. You're doing what you're
doing what all those boys in high school tried to
do to be It's funny because I went with a friend, Uh,
well he tried to get ketamine first, allegedly. Uh. And
they wouldn't sell him ketamine because he's like tattoos his
own hands and just looked like the kind of person

(57:27):
who was trying to buy drugs from Mexican veterinary store.
And I just like memorized how to say. I think
it was Mi amigos pero es delores de nervos katemino portovore,
which crudely means my friend's dog has nerve pain. Can
you give me some ketamine? And by god it worked
every time? That is, how can you get medicine for

(57:49):
your friend's dog? That makes no sense? Uh? You know what,
I know you didn't fool Yeah, So anyway, since two
thousand fifteen, Encore has been run from a golf club
in suburban Georgia, so not a real doctor. About as

(58:09):
legitimate as my ability to get Academy prescriptions written from
Encore go through Ravcup, a digital pharmacy in Florida whose
address Time describes as quote a dilapidated white structure by
a strip mall. Rev coup calls in prescription orders to
local pharmacy sounds like a fake name. Like either fake
name is even bad m it's good ship um. When

(58:34):
the service switched over to selling prescriptions for ivermectin, Time
notes their telegram channels for complaints about the service quote.
Many users call the arrangement a fraud. Still no drugs
as has prescribed, have not heard from their pharmacy. Very disappointing,
wrote one user on telegram August first. It took my
money though, definitely feels like a scam. That same day,
another frustrated customer wrote, you tell us the vaccine producers

(58:57):
are getting rich office. Seems like you are doing very
well yourselves. Yeah, maybe follow that line of thought, buddy.
Other supporters who had been promised they speak to a
f l DS trained physicians were upset when the doctor
pressed them to get the vaccine during a paid phone consultation.
Not happy at all with that. But one woman who
said her doctor's telemedicine doctor had told her to get

(59:18):
vaccinated in addition to prescribing iver medon, I felt I
could trust them not to push the vaccine. Severely disappointed.
He's giving you the drugs like come on. Dozens of
messages reviewed by Time were from people with sick family
members who were begging for a f l d S
to escalate their cases. A woman named Cynthia, who had
paid the fee ninety dollars is a lot for us,

(59:39):
she said, wrote that she had never been called back.
Please help, my husband is sick and it looks like
he does have a hard time breathing. Moderators for the
A f l D s group on Telegram have tried
to claim that issues with the service or the fault
of the CDC, who they say have carried out a
blockade on iver mecton. When clients complain about failing to

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received services once their physician fee is paid, a f
l D claims that this is out of their hands
quote because of hippa. But there is no blockade of ivermectin.
The simple reality is that all these groups have so
thoroughly fucked the information ecosystem around COVID that people have
bought up every pill, dip and paste body they can find,
while Joe Rogan and others like him get the prescribed

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human version of the drug. Desperate people who believe the
f l C, C c R, A f l D
or Brett Weinstein often wound up self medicating with fucking
sheep dip. And this brings us to Facebook. Of all
the things we've talked about, most of the ivermectin Facebook
stuff is not a grift. It's the result of guys
at the top, like Dr Corey and Weinstein spreading vaccine

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distrust in vague bullshit about ivermectin and institutions like the
a f l D being unable to provide prescriptions for
most of their clients. A lot of people who believe
the ship are too poor to use these service as anyway,
so they turn to veterinary medicine and so and because
like they're trying to figure out how to use it, right,
they want advice they can't afford to use any of

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these other services. They get on Facebook groups, right, These
are not There are grifters in these groups. There are
people who like scan for just like what random medications
people are telling you to to take on Facebook and
then buy them up to sell them and stuff like
that does happen. But most of these people just think
they're protecting their family and are very bad at vetting information. Um.

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So there's a shipload of these ivermected Facebook groups. Some
of them have tens of thousands of members. More pop
up every day. Vice did a solid investigation where they
looked at several of these groups and quote in another
group with more than two thousand members, an administrator focused
Wednesday on updated protocols from the Frontline COVID nineteen Critical
Care Alliance the FLCCC, the administrator wrote, is as of

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this week advising people to take two to three times
as much iver mectin as it had previously recommended for
early treatment of COVID. Members of the group studied charts
and attempt to find out just how much they would
need to squirrel away. And yet another group, which has
twenty six thousand members and promotes itself as a medical team,
a user who had just tested positive for COVID, asked
for help. I tested positive this afternoon, day two of symptoms,

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she wrote, and I literally cleaned out my pharmacy supply
of ever mecton and I only have enough for two
doses until Friday. I'm one pill short of each dose
from my weight. Basically, I have to skip a day
and I can only have one dose accurately weight based
until I get more on Friday. Should I take one
full weight based dose and one less than weight based
or two equal doses both the same amount. Either way,
I have to skip a whole day, which is disappointing.

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Users advised her to frontload her dosing from maximum efficacy.
Facebook's rules officially prohibit this sort of thing. You're not
allowed to sell fake cures for COVID or make claims
that are unfounded COVID treatments. But the reality is that
the sheer size of Facebook makes moderation impossible and they
don't really try. Um. When Vice brought specific groups up
to Facebook, those groups were removed. But I ever, meta

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aficionados keep creating new slang terms to use for the
medication in order to evade sensors. We saw this with
like the Boogloo boys going with big Igloo or whatever. Right,
it's just how this ship works. In these groups, people
don't just provide each other with advice on how to
acquire and take ivor macdon. They provide emotional support for
what they believe as an unfair crusade against what doctor

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Corey calls a wonder drug. Quote help a person posted
to a Facebook group laying out the particulars of how
a family member hospitalized with COVID nineteen was being treated
with oxygen, antibiotics, steroids and expectorants. He's going downhill fast.
They're not willing to give him iver mecdon. Why do
hospitals not allowed treatment of iver mecdin. I still can't
wrap my mind around it. Another distressed person who described

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their father being hospitalized with COVID nineteen posted to a
Facebook group is it straight up money? Later, this person
updated their post. I just talked to the doctor with
all the bad news. I asked him about iver mecdin.
He said the words that will haunt me forever, iver
mecton as a quack. This fucking doctor trolled me as
he's telling me my dad is dying. Oh my god.

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M hmm. It's rough ship now when taken as direct excuse, Jamie,
ivermectin is actually a very safe drug if you are
taking it the way it is supposed to be taken
and taking it for things that it helps with. Yes,
it's a very safe drug, but many of these people
are just buying horse paste and taking crude calculations again,
like the FLCCC just tripled how much they recommend you

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say overdoses of ivor mactan are becoming increasingly common and
have a variety of side effects from blurred vision, dizziness, hallucinations,
lung issues, comas, and seizures. According to the CDC, there
has been a three increase in calls to poison centers
this year and a fivefold increase from the baseline in July,
and most of that is believed to be resulting from
ib mactin use. In Mississippi, at least thirteen people called

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poison control if you're taking iver mactin in a single month.
Sevent of those calls from people who ingested veterinary forms
of the drug, and like as I. After I finished
this episode, there were new articles one patients overdosing on
ivry mactan are backing up rural Oklahoma hospitals and ambulances
from news for UM. Yeah, Dr Gellia said that patients

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are packing his Eastern and Southeastern Oklahoma hospitals after taking
I ever met indoses meant for a full size horse. UM.
The e r s are so backed up that gunshot
victims are having hard times getting to facilities where they
can get definitive care and treated. So that's fu UM.
And there's another one. It's just yeah, I've met in.
Poison control calls increased in Minnesota in mid COVID nineteen pandemic. Sorry,

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I won't even read a quote. It just keeps happening.
It's everywhere. It's increasingly common. Um, So yeah, and it's
and and and the fact that this is even happening.
I mean, it's just I don't know, the Facebook group
uh posts, those are so fucking stark, And it's like,
in order to even and I'm I guess I'm speaking
strictly to Americans specifically, or you know, people from rich

(01:05:49):
countries that have plenty of fucking vaccines, um that it's
like this in order to be engaging really firmly with
you know that kind of stuff, you've already been sold
and convinced of several bills of lies like this, The
iver imacting thing is several layers deep, and things that
you already needed to have believed in order to get

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to the point where this would be sold to you
as an idea of hope and an idea of of
of handling disease. It's just, God, it's terrible. It's terrible
because it's like, I don't know, it's when stories like this,
it always it's hard because it's like they're whatever. People
are firing off tweets that are objectively funny about ship

(01:06:36):
like this. But then when you when you hear comments
like that and you hear specific things, it's like those.
It's just like several layers of coercion and desperateness that
lead to the way people the way people are acting
and putting themselves in their families at risk. Like it's
just talking off so things I learned. So I just

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mentioned blurred vision isn't common overdose side effect and ivermectin.
Because of this, a lot of people in these Facebook
groups are not telling each other that you know it's
working when your vision gets blurred. That now people are
giving themselves river blindness. It's amazing. Um, there's I'm not

(01:07:22):
going to go in and read these, but there's a
lot of reports of people pooping what they think are
worms and now they're convincing themselves like, oh, I've got
parasites and what's actually happening. We talked about this in
the Bleached Drinking Church episode, where like parents are forced
to bleached to their artistic kids to cure it, and
they see that they're like passing all of these these
they're they're full of parasites. They're passing these worms. It's
intestinal lining. They're shifting out the landing of their intestines

(01:07:43):
because they put so much poison into their fucking bodies. Um,
it's just without it's like as I'm talking about Yeah, yeah, hm,
I don't know. Yeah, it's a lot of what we
were talking amote in part one and also now is
is like it to me? And I'm not an expert

(01:08:05):
in in this in any way, but it seems like
a lot of the issues with autism anti vaxers was
that they read a bunch of bullshit studies that were
not proven, and we're later redacted, but it didn't matter
because the damage had already been done and it's like
that same exact pattern is present here. Yeah, and when

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that study gets redacted, that's just proof that the deep
state censorship. Yeah. Ship anyway, Jamie, how you feeling? That's
the episode? Oh man demolished? How are you? Oh? Pretty good?
I think I might get back out onto my Lana.

(01:08:46):
I pick a couple of tomatoes, you know. Oh yeah, Well,
as long as you're as as long as you're on
the Lanai consuming your produce that I think that you know,
you'll you'll be fine. I've got to go. I've got
to go take five rain pills and sweat in a
freezing cold room. That idea sounds like we're doing yes, yes,

(01:09:09):
it's the new golden standard for all comedians. We have
to do it or we'll never work in this town again.
That this town being Austin, Texas, of course, mhm, the
only town, in my opinion, Jamie, where can the good
people on the internet find you other than Austin, Texas
where you are no longer allowed? After I was, I

(01:09:32):
was banished, I was banished. Listen I sweat too good?
I posed a threat. Uh, you can find you can
listen to Act casts. That's my podcast about Kathy comics
and twentieth century American feminism. You can listen to the
Bechtel Cast. You can listen and anything you want. It's

(01:09:53):
not my business. Uh, you can follow me on social
media if you can find me. That is, Listen all
of Jamie's shows. Just do it, Hey, listen to all
my shows. They're great. I'm not yeah, produced every single
one of them, even a little. And check out appearance

(01:10:15):
on the Joe Rogan podcast where I get advice on
how to learn how to drive with your eyes closed,
because you know, big farmers trying to convince people that
you need to look at the road like a cock,
but real close their eyes and let Look, Luke Skywalker

(01:10:36):
didn't need his eyes to blow up the Death Star.
You don't need your eyes to drunk drive down to
the seven eleven to get more white cloth. Damn, look
on that note, I'm gonna go let my mattress eat
my ass. Live your truth. Thanks. Uh This this at
cool Zone media at bastards Pot. Okay, bye right