Part Two: The Moonies Are So Much Worse Than You Could Possibly Imagine

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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clearly you're not qualified to host it today. So I
thought I thought this was this American Life. Um, oh boy,
oh boy, prepared the wrong boy, how do you Well, yeah,
that's okay. I have plenty of war crimes to go around.
This American Life. My my, this American Life episode is
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Nobody would that would not be welcome. Okay, well I
will I will send this back to NPR and Chris
you cool with taking over today? It's be Christopher Wong
and we're we're back for Reverend Moon Part two. The
Attack of the Nazi Des Squads. Cool, It's it's a
good time. In nineteen eighty, Klaus Barbie, the butcher of
Leone and Nazi torture Extraordinaire, was getting nervous. French Nazi

(01:13):
hunters were starting to close in on his bolt hole
and Bolivia, where he tortured communists for the CIA and
also the West Germans for decades. We're still the possibility
of a democratic government to Bolivia. Meant he faced extradition
to France, who wanted his head on the platter for,
among other crimes, killing fourteen thousand people and personally saying
to use the concentration camps. So when Barbie was approached
by a group of cocaine producers to stay a coup

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against the elected government, Barbie was in than coup, which
saw Nazis rampaging through the streets, looting stores and warehouses
and murdering people where they stood, put General's Carlos Menza
in charge of a military dicatorship. Klaus Barbie's coup was
infamously known as the Cocaine Coup for its cartel backing,
but Bolivion intelligence report showed another further source of support

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four million dollars from one Reverend Sung Young Moon, Oh boy,
Nazi death squad funder extraordinair. Yeah, I mean, and I
gotta be honest as a cult getting in with the
CIA pretty pretty smart move. I will say this. There
is actually no evidence that Moon ever directly worked with
the CIA, and this is impressed you're if you're working

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for the same goals as the CIA. Yeah, yeah, but
think it's one less thing that could fuck you. I
do think this is an important distinction to draw because
there are a lot of sources that you will read
that will claim that the Moonies are a CIA front,
and they're not a CIA front, Like insofar as there
a friend group for anything, it's the Korean CIA. And
that's important because it means that well, it means that

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there's a lot of other American challenge segencies who like
are really mad at them, but b it means that, yeah,
there their goals are very very often aligned with the CIA,
but they're not really a cut out for them. They
have sort of their own thing going on, and that
own thing is overthrowing the government of Bolivia. Now Bohei Pok,

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whose Moon's like invaluable aid and translator, visits Lapause that
year and proclaimed I have erected a throne for Father
Moon in the world's highest city, which is which is great. Okay. Yeah,
So the church also attempted to organize a seven thousand
member like thousand strong armed at church, similar to what
they attempted to organize a Brazil and you know this,

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this was there to support the coup. And after the coup,
Carlos Mezza and Moon like visit each other and they
but they this this this is this is like around
the time that Reagan got shot, and so they spend
the night praying together for Reagan's health. Now, fortunately for
Bolivia and unfortunately for Moon, he picked a loser in
Mesa whose government collapse amid a hail acus and protests.

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You know, you can't, you can't, you can't pick them all,
you know. Yeah, Moon has a really bad track record
picking military dictators. It's sort of funny. But this, unfortunately
was just the beginning of Moon's career as a sponsor
of international terror and Nazi death squads. Now, in nineteen eighty,
Bohei Pok and Kim Sung In whose Kim Sung In
is is the the former Korean CIA station chief in

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Mexico City, found an organization, the Confederation of Associations for
the Unity of the Societies of America. And it absolutely
nonsense name that they created. Yeah, it's awful, nothing at all. Yeah,
So basically they created just so that I could have
the acronym c I U S A. Now c I
U S a rapidly becomes a meeting place for just

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the worst mass murderers in Latin America. Uh. They held
their first meeting in the military in in Uh Yeah.
The military dictator Elsfredo Strassner's Paraguay Bohipok said of Strassner, quote,
I believe he's a special man chosen by God to
run his country. Strassner like did a genocide against the
Cha people and also like did Operation Contour among other

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things that when we were getting more into condor in
a second. Yeah. Um. Also attending ci USA conferences was
Domingo Monterrasa, that the head of El Salvador's Auto Cuddle
Battalion who is best known for doing that occur Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
those are some war crimers right there. Yeah. So so

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monter monter Rosa interestingly is also trained by another member
of the Balti Communist League, Taiwan, whose army also is
training death squads, like sort of parallel. I mean, some
of that you're doing it through League, some of us
doing independently, but they're also training like death squads across
Latin America. Now it's unclear to me if monter Rosa
like actually received money from Moon, but like basically every

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other right wing like large scale right wing organization and desquad.
Now Salvador absolutely a pretty easy guy to get money
from if you're making death squads and we're going to
go through many, many des squads. Yeah, and you know,
so he gives a bunch of money to writing groups
to nel Salvador and they do atrocities with it. Now

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we also need to talk about Operation Condor. So Operation
Condor is an an anti leftist assassination network originally developed
by Chilean intelligence in Eventually it has like Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia,
Brazil and also to lesser cent like Ecuador, Peru in
it and Condor. Like if you count everyone who was

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killed while Condor was going on by like the government's
doing it, it killed tens of thousands of people, arrested,
tortures like hundreds of thousands more. And so this is
where things get complicated. Um. A lot of Operation Condor
is run out of a group called the c a L,
which is the original Latin American section of the World
Anti Communist League. The cl IS is founded by a

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group called Los Tecos, who are a Mexican Neo Nazi
des Squad who are famous for just like showing up
the murdering leftists. Um, the League basically like finds this
group and they're like, oh, hey, you like killing communists,
and so they test the techos with assembling just the
most bloodthirsty Latin American de squads they can find, and

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you know, they go and do this and this is
this is the basis of the organization of like Latin America,
like the Latin American part of the world that he
come in this league. Now, the World Anti Comnist League
formally expels the c L in the early eies because
they're trying to go like slightly more legit, although they
never get rid of you know, like the Eustache people
or the Iron Guard or any of the other like

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fascist groups in it. But you know, so they expelled
they expelled the cl because people are like, hey, these
guys are you know, doing condor and assassinating people. But
it's it's it's notable that so Moon technically leaves the
League in and he gives the speech about how the
League is that he calls it quote a fascist organization,
which is true. But the problem is that like this

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this is all just political theater. Moon Moon never leaves
the League, like he makes this big speech about it,
but his people still run the League's chapter in like that.
There's they still they still run the chapter in Japan.
They're heavily involved in the U S chapter, and Moon
is you know, like Moon and his friend of organizations
are still just doing all of the like there, there's
still running meetings with them. There' still organizing with them.
And Moon also never actually disavows the cl So the

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other thing that's worth noting is that so Condor starts
in n right, Uh, they don't. The League doesn't disavow
the CLIL the mid eighties, which means that there's a
lot of time where the cl IS is being actively
funded by by the well into Communist League. And this
is where it's kind of murky, because it's difficult to
tie Moon directly to Condor. Um. Yeah, I mean that's

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generally how it's gonna be with the people who fund
death squads, and the death squads. You think that every
every other death squad, I'm about to mention we have
direct evidence of him funding Uh maybe, so I say this.
So there's two things that suggested to me that he
did do it. One is that his money absolutely was
going to the c L which was carrying it out

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because him and Sasakaa was like a Japanese branch other
one into communist legue or one of the big funders
of the organization. So he's he's the very least indirectly
funding them. And also Moon and his organizations are like
in tight with They're either working with the government or
the far right. It in Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, and Brazil,

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which means that weirdly, the only Conjura government they aren't
working with the Chile And I don't know what's going
on there because I kept expecting Pino Chan to show
up and he never does. I don't know why Pino.
She's like, he's the one right wing leader at all
of Latin America who I cannot find any contact with Moon.
It's it's very strange start watching a movie without a
heist and yeah, wondering where what it is the guy

(09:37):
from the er you know what I'm talking about, Jesus,
I can't. I'm not good with names today, Sophie, who's
the guy George Clooney Clooney, Yeah, Alright, well, I don't know,
but so pino Chane never shows, but Moon is working
with every single other Condura government. So there's a good
enough chance that Mood is involved in this that I
think we have to mention it because I don't know.
It's like I think, like my guess is there's like

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a other than his indirects stuff through through the c L.
I think it's like a probably like a two out
of three chance that he's funding them, because that's just
who he's in with. What we do know for sure
is that he's working with General Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, who
has made the head of the armed forces in Honduras.
In one to murder a leftist guerrilla group, Alvarez just
immediately starts torturing, murdering and disappearing people. Uh, he also trained,

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fund and equipped the contrast, which we will get back
to it a second, because poise, Yeah, this was a
beautiful time and place to have tens of millions of
dollars because you really just could buy armies up wholesale,
send them off to murder people and you know, mountainous countries.
It was. It was a real what a time And

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the other thing about this, you know the world is
really your oyster because so, you know, the drug trade exists, right,
but the drug trade is not bringing in like quite
as much money as it's going to buy like the
like the the late eighties and nineties, so and so
it WHI means that like, you know, you you you're
like random cult actually has enough money to like you know,
like you know you you can outbid the drug dealers. Basically, um. Yeah.

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So Moon like looks at Alvarez's government and he's like, okay,
I'm I'm like, I haven't in here, and so he
goes to Takushi Galpa to like start preaching about theologically
resisting communism, which just means, you know, being the implication Church.
And there's an interesting thing here where this is a
period where a lot of Latin American right wingers are

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turning away from Christianity because they're they're they're washing deliberation
theology turn in in in the Catholic Church. And they
see this and they go, Okay, well, the you know,
the Catholic Church is getting you know, it's it's being
infiltrated by communist is coming soft on communism. Like a
lot of these sort of like leftist like Catholic priests
are you know, running like running through aun militia groups.

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And so the right wing in Latin America starts looking
for like another like another religious thing they can get into,
and Moon is like, hey, it's me. Look, I have
a church. We're Christian sort of kind of don't don't
look too closely at the I'm the Messiah behind the mirror. Yeah,
but this works pretty well. And you know, he has
Bohei pawk hand Alvarez at check for fifty dollars um.

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Alvarez hilariously is forced to return the check after the
Episcopal conference in Honduras is like, hey, why are you
taking from the money? Who why you're taking money from
a guy who literally claims to be the Messiah, and
they get like they get really mad at him, Like
if you actually think about what he says about God
in Jesus, it could be awkward to take money for
this guy, yeah, you know, and shout out, you know, okay,

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like like we have to give credit to the Hondurans
here because in the US this is not gonna happen.
Like in the US, the Christians are just gonna like
take They're just they're gonna take moves money hand over fist.
But the hundredions are like, no, we're drawing the line
at the Messiah guy. But you know this, this doesn't
know keeps working with Alvarez. He just you know, gives
the check back. But unfortunately Alvarez gets sacked by you

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get sacked by the govern and after the FBI reveals
a conspiracy by Alvarez and his allies to overthrow the
government on the behesse of drug dealers, which you know
sounds suspiciously like another coup don't have talked about today.
It's he keeps getting involved in the same coup and
it keeps either like it keeps just not working. It's
just like it's it's it's pretty incredible. Um. Now, undeterred,

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Moon continues to spend an enormous amount of time and
money in Honduras preaching anti communism through democratization, which is
again hilarious from a guy who has multiple times on
record saying that democracy is favored by Satan. But you know,
welcome to the cold Ward ye. So, and now now
we come to the mother of all Cold War conspiracies.

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It ran contract because yeah, it turns out Moon due
to ran Contra. So alright, to set the stage a
little bit. Inineteen seventy nine, the US backs and most
editatorship was overthrown by a revolution that left the left
wing Sandinist does in power and the Santinis to start
doing things like, you know, nationalizing all of Samosa's lands
and you know, like promoting public education. And the US

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looks at this and goes, we need to murder literally
every single person involved with this. Yeah. Yeah, So so,
you know, opposing the Santinistas are this group called the
Contra Revolutionarios or the contrast. Now, even before Congress, you know,
does Commerce eventually starts banning like that puts a ban
in on all all US funding of the contrast because

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the contracts are doing things like murdering babies and blowing
up in silos to start the population, you know, death
squads stuff. They're they're really like your death squads, don't
it's yeah, there, you know, I will say this. Then
the contrasts, Well, okay, I want to say that contracts
are bad by death squad standards, and that's true, but
also like the other death squads are, We're gonna get

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to the Guatemalans in a bit, and oh my god.
Also the South of Salvadorian National Guard is doing is yeah,
I mean when you're when you're death squads, there's really
it's not necessary to like kind of apply the romance
or the moral differences between them. They're all when you
hit that death squad level, you're a death squad. You know. Now,

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cia USA, which is that frank group Moody Franco. But
I talked about earlier starts contracting like a bunch of
Contra leaders to offer them to like help unite the
contra factions. Um Fernando el Negro Chamorro, who's one of
the major Contra leaders, goes on a Moony sponsored trip
with other Contra leaders, and Chamorro like turns down the
money because he's like, I don't want the strings attached

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with it. But a lot of other Contra leaders, including
Stedman fog Off, like take tens of thousands of dollars
in cash and just like tons of food and supplies
um from Moon and and the cia USA basically keeps
Stedman and like the other contra fact factions like in
the fight like long enough, you know, because all these
all these factions like they get their ci a buddy
like turned off right and they're they're in a real crisis,

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and Moon keeps them in the fight until the RAND
contract could kick in, which is horrifying because like Moon,
like Moon is directly responsible for everything that's going to
happen in Nicaragua, like from this period on, because if
he's not fundy, these guys like these guys, a lot
of these groups fall out of the war. But you know,
he's the he's there to bridge the gap. And yeah,

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before we fully get to a RAND contract that there's
one more thing I should mention, which is that there's
some evidence that people American students from the like the
Churches student movement, like there's some evidence they fought for
the contras. Um. I can't really confirm it. There seems
to be credible evidence that like individuals went to go
fight for them, but it's unclear if it's like a

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mass thing the church was promoting for it was just
sort of an individual thing. We do know the Church
claims to have been sending people into Nicaragua to like preach,
so who knows. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those
things if you raise a large group of people to
believe that like, this is a fight that they personally
need to be involved in, and like a bunch of
them go over and fight. It's a great way to

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make that. It's a thing we saw it. We see
with like Rhodesia, where it's like, well did this organization
send fighters, No, but they created propaganda that convinced people
to go fight there. Yeah. Yeah, actually this this this
didn't make it into the into the cut of the episode,
but his newspaper, The Washington Times big Rhodesia fans also
also big. It was. It was the short Yeah. I

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I couldn't find anything about him directly funding them, but yeah,
he's he's on their side in principle. Okay, so now
when you talk about a rand contract, and I'm gonna
do like the shortest version of a round contra anyone
has ever done. So there's four parts. Part one is
Oliver North gets ten million dollars from the Sultan to Brunei,
who is the world's most feted out monarch, and then

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his secretary puts the money into the wrong bank account
and lights it on fire. So just some randoms. Was
banker gets ten million dollars that can't get the money
back and the soldan bru sold It's funny because the
soldier Brunei is he is the most CIA guy, like
outside of the CIA that has every and even he
was like, you just put ten billion dollars in the
wrong bank account, Like I'm not going to give you

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anywhere money. The North great. So part part two, after
that part plan fails is Oliver North basically is secretly
negotiating with the Iranian government to covertly buy Americans to
sell the Iranian government American missiles and then they're gonna
they Part three is they take the money they get

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from selling those missiles Um and they put it in
like a black ops slush fund and they move them
money to the Contrast. Now. Part four is creating a
cover story for where that money came from. And then
Moon is neck deep in part In Part four, um
Bohei Pok gives a hundred thousand dollars to all of
the North's Nicaraguan freedom funds, a fund also backed by
pot of Lum's soldier of Fortune magazine to say good time,

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and the Moon is also like they start they set
up their own fundraiser for the Contrasts and they know
they're they're also working with the Anti Communist League's uh fundraisers,
Logistics Networks, and the Anti Communist League. One is the
is the is big one that that Reagan uses to go,
oh hey see all this mude ciabody we're pouring in
this not that's not from the CIA. See this this
is a grassroots anti communist campaign. And you know, I

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mean like and they do actually raise some money. It's
just that they don't raise it ran contra money now
not content to just do Iran Contrah. The movie sent
a fake priest to testify you before Congress, claiming that
the Sandiniss were dressing up as contras and doing false
flag massacre massacres and just courages just credit the contras.
That seems possible. That's got to be what's happening for sure. Absolutely, yeah,

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so this is so so she this guy claims to
be from the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church is like,
this is not one of our guys and so and
he's like no, no, no, I'm I'm from I'm from
the Orthodox Catholic Church. And everyone's like what And the
author Castolic Church apparently is this like it's this group
in like, uh are they people who thought Vatican two
went too far and like the church has gotten cooked.
It's it's weirder. They're like this really weird, like like

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like very old like splinter faction with eight people in
it in like uh in like Scotland for some reason,
and likes it's unclear if he's even involved with them.
But what they do find is a bank account with
like a bunch of money in it that one of
the French organizations that this guy was mysteriously paid. So
that was fun Um. And the other thing that they

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do is c USA produces a pro contrat documentary film
called Nicaragua Was Our Home that airs on PBS in
to draw up support for the war. Lee Shapiro, who's
the dude who made the film and a fanatical Moon
supporter who graduated from the Unification Theological Seminary because oh yeah,
the movies have a school now and act they have
multiple schools, like there's just multiple colleges and thing. I mean, yeah,

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you get a cold that you do have to start
directly training the children at some point, yes, sure, yea
so s absolutely. Lee is killed near Cobble Well, embedded
with has Villas Lammy just to make a propaganda film
about the bush headide Now you know what to go off.
King absolutely get killed by Hesba and Afghanistan or Afghanistan

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HESPENISLAMI is like probably the worst of the Africans of
the actual Afghan Mujadin factions. Yeah, it's not a good one. Yeah. Yeah.
During the civil war, just in the shelling of Cobbal alone,
they kill at least twenty five thousand civilians. Like it's there,
and it's it's interesting because so le Le like goes
out into Afghanistan like trying to find some trying to

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find a Bushakan group whople let him work with him,
and all of the bush groups are like no, Like yeah,
because I don't know if you know this about Mushahideen
in general, but if you say, sometimes God's wrong and
I tell him and he's like, ah, stupid made. This
is why I go to you, buddy. You know, if
that's your religion, a lot of Musa Hideen might have

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issues with you. Yeah. And the only people who were
who will take him are are the worst, the worst
people in the time court. Okay, there's an angl here
that I couldn't find direct evidence of. But like, so
this is he's ebitted with the faction that's like being
backed by Pakistan. And there there might be some kind

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of incredibly convoluting anti communist angle there. I wasn't able
to find it, but just guys involved with literally everything. Ever,
if you're sending guns to Afghanistan, you're one of the
bad guys. Now does that mean that basically everyone involved
in Afghanistan for the last forty years have been the
bad guys? Absolutely, it's it's it's a lot of shitty

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people sending guns to Afghanistan and sometimes soldiers and usually
for bad reasons. Basically always for bad reasons. That's Afghanistan. Yeah,
so yeah, of course the will Into Communist League is
sending funny to them and sending sending funding to them.
And Lee Shapiro's death is literally the only thing that
stops the USA from just making another propaganda film and
having it aired on BBC PBS. Now, lest you think

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we're done with the desk Squads, USA is behind the
bastards promise we make can ever at the Death Squad
there's so many so so Yeah. The USA also a
propaganda media tour for Rio's Monster Kadership at Guatemala. Oh boy,
Carlos Rios Mont. Yeah, Rios Mont is most notable for
like successfully doing a bunch of genocides. I guess indigenous

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population to Guatemal definitely didn't there. There are entire peoples
who are just gone. They killed every single one of them.
They are languages that don't exist anymore. There are towns
that still won't let the military back into this day
because of the genocide. Yeah, I mean, like like there
are it's horrifying. Like there's one of one of my friends,
uh didn't didn't like it was an anthropologist who worked
with a community who they so they managed to everyone

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else around them had been killed the genocide. They managed
to survive and they're the last people on earthho speak
their language and they survived by just running on foot
through the jungle and they made it. But you know,
they they they they like you know, they live in
this horrible slum and they can't speak Spanish and they're
the last people left of you know, their their their
entire people who have been around for thousands of years.
Because killed all of them. And it's it's horrifying. Yeah,

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it's it's pretty bad. And moons, moons doing propaganda tours
for their for their des squads and also funding them.
It's yeah, I mean, are you really a right wing
ship head? Though? If you're not backing Rio's mont, like,
are are you actually do you deserve to even call
yourself like a violent right wing extremist if you're not

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back in that guy? I will say, like, there are
a lot of right wingers who like back riot like rhetorically,
but like the Moon Moon puts his money where his
mouth is, like you can you you can never not
say that like when when? When? When? When there was
a fight against communism and when they were babies to
be killed? Like no one on earth can say that
Reverend Moon did not did not do his parts in

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murdering those babies. He made sure there's not as many babies.
And you know what, every time you don't spend an
extra five ten minutes in traffic, thank you, Reverend Moond,
Thank you for making there be less people who are
alive to drive cars and stop me from getting to
the sparrow. You know what else is makes there be
less people alive to drive cars? Products and services that

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support this podcast, Oh oh yeah, the highways. Yeah, Washington
State Patrol and coke industries. And for sure, I mean
with their island where people hunt children, they really go
out of their way to decrease the surplus population. Okay,
here's ads, We're back, Chris, please go ahead. So Moon

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also has like another front group that he uses that
does basically the same thing as c I USA, but
like it just does media tours um and they they
run these like quote unquote fact finding trips uh that
included interviews with the leaders of Namo and Mozambique, Udida
and Angola, Swappo and the Namibia and Solidarity in Poland.

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Now those of you who know your Cold War will
realize that Unita means Jonasavimbi not sees is the Maniford
episode in the Dawn of Time is back on the
pot and yeah, yeah, man from fucking Guatemalada. Angla's incredibly
he's really hitting all of the hits of like right

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wing fuccory in in this period of time. He's he's
he's doing a whole fucking Bengus. It's really very impressive.
It's very impressive, I will say. So, I don't know
if any evidence that he directly funded either Solidarity in
Poland or swappo in in uh in Abia, but through
through a web that is like elaborate even by Moon standards.

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And I'm not gonna explain the whole thing because it's
it's I I turned into the like I turned into
the pinboards meme, like conspiracy meme, trying to like track
all of the funding sources down. But he does seem
to have funded both Namo and Savimbi just like directly.
So that's fun. And to to finish off the desquad

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gantlet we need to talk Cambodia. Oh boy, man that
that is honestly not maybe not one of the death
squads I necessarily expected to see him getting involved with.
So throughout the late nineteen seventies, Pulpots troops were busy
making like a series of the worst military decisions in
human history. Uh, they decided that they were going to

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launch a bunch of cross border raids against Vietnam, and
just like massacre a bunch of Vietnamese civilians, now the
Vietnamese army. By by by time of nine seventy eight,
they have beaten back to back at the French, the Japanese,
the French again, the US and in one year their
B team is about to go blow for blow at China.
In the conventional war, Pulpos Army does not have a

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centralized commanding control structure. So Pulpos Army looks at this
and goes, no, no, no, We're going to be the
ones who succeeded where every single other empire on Earth
has failed. And they start this war with Vietnam. And
Vietnam invades nineteen seventy nine and they just blow the
Cambodian army to pieces um. But they they do a

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thing I think everyone who lives in the US knows well,
which is they get stuck in a nation building quagmire,
which you know, well, you know it happens to everybody.
It's like throwing your back out, you know, everybody at
some point. You know, if you're if you're funding death squad,
you're gonna wind up locked in a quagmire of a war.

(28:23):
You know. You know. I will say I'm not getting
around it. I will say this for Vietnam, like, Okay,
if if there's one government ever that it was like,
this is a good idea to go in and knock
them off, it's pullpot like oh for sure, yeah, like
you know, but but this becomes a problem with them
because you know, they're trying to set up a state
and it doesn't look Vietnam. Vietnam proves that there's something

(28:44):
about being a state that makes you want to get
involved in another state ship and start a quagmuyer you know,
not that Like again, like you said, somebody needed to
do something. It is just funny to see Vietnam go
do a Vietnam on cambody out. I don't know, there's
no lesson there, because the lesson certainly isn't let guys

(29:04):
like Pulpot don't think pays don't please don't take This
is me saying, ha ha, what fools the Vietnamese where Yeah,
but it's just like I will say that this is
the lesson from this is that if you're going to
go invade a country and knock off pull Po, you
actually have to kill Paul Pot put like that would
say killing and something in general, some people should have

(29:25):
done this. This is a problem because you know, the
other thing happens is that a bunch of camer nationalist
groups pop up um and one of these is called
the camer People's National Liberation Front. Now Moon does propaganda
for and direct support to the Camere People's National Liberation Front.
Now there's one problem now, and he's doing this because
you know, this is an anti Vietnam group, right, But

(29:48):
there's one problem with the Cammere People's National Liberation Group
as as as an anti communist group, which is, you know,
other than the massacres, which they don't care about. The
problem is that the camer Pop's National Liberation Front is
part of the coalition government to Democratic Kampuccia. Now, Moon
is is pushing for the coalition government at Democratic He's

(30:10):
like they're they're trying to get there, trying to maintain
their seat at the Cambodius of the u n H.
The problem with them is that the most powerful member
of this coalition is pull pot. So Moon he is
directly funding well, as I started, is indirectly directly running
propagandi form, indirectly funding pulpot What a great anti communists
love to see it. It's yeah, it's it's real bad. Yeah, yeah,

(30:36):
he's he's funded Pulpot. Now, well, I mean, look, who's
among us has not given I've never given this, look, Chris,
you can't say that because it could happen here is
sponsored entirely by King Nora Dame Shanoak, who funded pol
pots so in a way as we as we sell

(30:58):
the former king of Okay, I don't really I lost
I lost a handle of this. This is when you
jump in so this is okay, all right, well Chris
please continue. So you know, there's kind of like a
secular limit that you hit, right, Like there's a certain
point in which just the amount of time you have,
the amount of money you have is such that you can't,

(31:20):
like you can't fund literally every death squad. That is
something I've often mourned in my own life. But you know,
you fund the desquad, you can. Yeah. But but but there's
a way around this. And the way around this is
you fund the American government. Well now, so as a taxpayer,
I do back a lot of death squads. Yeah. So,
but you know, there, there's there, there's there, there there's

(31:41):
a political angle that that that lets you increase the
bang for your death squad. Buck. Um. So there's a
guy named Richard Viguery. I'm butchering his name because he's Italian.
I also don't respect him. Um. He he is the
man who basically created the modern right out of the
wreckage of the very Goldwater camp. Um. He's famous for

(32:02):
taking a list of twelve thousand people who donated more
than fifty dollars to the campaign in nineteen sixty four
and using it to create a mailing list. Now, this
is a revolution in American politics. It allows that's the
whole fucking eighties, and he's doing it in the sixties.
And this allows him to to to fundraise and mobilized
activists that an unimaginable scale. Look this, this is this
is Facebook before Facebook, and they're sending these old people

(32:25):
letters that say things like babies are being harvested and
sold on the black market by planned parenthood clinics and
cool it's Twitter. Yah, It's it's literally invented Facebook, and
old people react exactly the same way old people react
now to Facebook. And so VG area is that just
the absolute cutting edge of thee at the cutting edge

(32:45):
of the mailing list. He's using computers to like keep
track of the mailing lists. Uh, and you know he is.
He is building the infrastructure that will make the baking
revolution possible. Moon is funding him as early as nineteen
sixty five through a scam that involves set ing up
radio towers to broadcast propaganda to North Korea. Um He
also gives Vigieri nine hundred thousand dollars to a fake

(33:08):
charity in nineties seven, and then bails him out again
in the eighties by buying Vigary's office building for ten
million dollars and then putting him in charge of the
accounts of the the American Freedom Coalition, which is a
mooney group that's invented to like defend all over North Now,
while this is happening, mooney point man Gary Jarman was

(33:28):
running an organization called The Christian Voice, which was one
of the first political organizations to put Vigieris new fundraising
system to the test. In nineteen eighty two, they outraised
every single other conservative fundraising group. To have to put
this into perspective, Jerry Farwell's like new Moral Majority pack
raises twenty two thousand dollars in his first year. That
same year, the Christian Voice raised four hundred and ninety

(33:51):
four thousand, seven hundred and twenty two dollars. And these guys,
the Christian Voice is terrifyingly powerful. In the nineteen eight election,
they target thirty two races and they beat twenty two incumbents.
This is how Yeah it's bad. This is you know,
this is the infrastructure that built a Riggan revolution and
it is funded by Reverend Moon. Yeah it's bad and
and you know, not not content to simply fight at

(34:12):
the ballot box. Moon runs anti communist campaigns on college campuses,
including a anti communist newsletter, which is actually he has
it's like newspaper thing that you know how every like
trust skate group and I feel like weird communist group
like passes out newspapers on campus. Moon is like, what
if we did our own but they were anti communists.
So he has all of his like followers on campus
like passing out these newspapers, and so you get all

(34:33):
thesely like all of the cults are like lined up
next to each other passing. It's a you've talked about,
but it's just the outstanding amount Like it's just like
unfathomable amount of money that he funds so much. The
outreage he's hit. He's the first. He's the only real
quote leader that I'm aware of that is on that

(34:53):
l run Hubbard level where they hit this certain point
early in their career where it's like where did their
money come where they will they have infinite money. Yeah,
there's there's no they have. They have as much money
as they need. They have all of the money they
could ever spent, like which is a scary thing for
a cult leader to get to God. It makes me
miss Allary rage. He didn't fund any death squads. He

(35:13):
just threw kids off the boats like a row like
Moon is Moon is like like what what if you
used l run Hoverard for just like pure evil. It's
tragic to think of ul Roun Hubbard's legacy being used
for the evil. Yeah, and you know, and I was
sat like so like part part of how he's funny,
this is like part of it is just you know
the colt like the cult is literally a pyramid scheme, right,
and that he has all of these businesses. He also

(35:34):
has Sasaka was like literally infinite yakism money from from Japan.
He's getting k c A money, He's getting money from
all just like he keeps There's like a couple of
times where he takes over banks in Uruguay and then
just like takes all of the money from them and
then the bank goes under, like he just just like
multiple times he's all the landing. There's everything that I
didn't fit in the episode. I think I should talk

(35:56):
about a little bit, which is that like there's some
evidence that like in the Night, like the night he
he got into the drug trade because he starts buying
all of this land that's like on the kind of
drill wells, like, oh, yeah, he's the cocaine train, he says,
he's he'sould be like buying the border crossings that cocaine
moves through and in like Bolivia, And yeah, it's there's
no hard evidence of that, but like no one, I means,

(36:18):
but there's no other reason why you're buying all that land,
or if you are backing multiple death squads in Latin
America to the tune of tens of millions of dollars,
I'm sorry, but I don't. I can't believe you're not
moving blow Like I refuse to accept that that's possible.
And yeah, I mean it's it's it's one of those
things that there's so many threads of Moon were like

(36:39):
you know, some of the threads, like I like I
pulled on the desk squad thread and I found that
he was funny, and some of them like there seems
to be a lot of investigative journalism like still to
be done on this organization because like the cocaine threat
is I mean, it's it's the people all encompassing. Yeah,
Like it's it's hard to it's hard to think. It's
impossible to imagine that. Like people know the bottom of

(37:01):
this at the moment. Yeah, it's it's it's it's bad.
So but you know what's not bad, Chris and services
that that support this podcast. Products and services are always uh,
you know, Chris, A lot of people say some of
our products and services back death squads themselves. I don't

(37:24):
agree with that. I think one of the beautiful promises
that the Raytheon Corporation has for the world is a
future without death squads because robots can kill those people
from the sky. Chris, that's the sky. To pen a
bunch of soldiers who are funked up on cocaine and
math amphetamine, to gun down a bunch of children in
a village, you just bomb it from the air the drone.

(37:48):
There's a real risk here, which is we're cutting the
legs out of the child soldier industry. I know, but
you know, look, disruption has to come for every industry. Eventually,
one day you and I will be replaced with a
robot that perfectly mimics Joe Rogan's voice. Um, and like that.
You know, child soldiers are going to be replaced by drones.
But we can still honor the legacy of the child

(38:11):
soldier industry by having little kids pilot those drones because
they're better at video games. That's true. It's Enders game.
We've proven it mathematically. Yeah, Ender's game, but entirely targeting
poor people in the global South. That's the promise of Raytheon.
Al Right, here's some other ads. Oh boy, Chris, we

(38:34):
get a lot of money for those Raytheon mid roles.
I mean, we just we just that's that's our that's
our salary for a while. My man. You want to
continue on with this, uh, this enlightening story of good times? Yeah?
So so. The the other thing that Moon's doing on
college campuses is he's running a network of spies to
spy on leftist activists and giving the information to conservative groups.

(38:54):
This is like, this is like this is thing like this,
this should be like for like any other organization. The
fact that you're running a network of college campus spies
to Tom through in a list like twenty things, each
of which if a guy had done one, that would
make them a worthy subject of this. This fi network

(39:15):
has one sentence to my script. Yeah one, it's it's
it's the second half network, which because you've gotta breeze
over l Ron Hubbard's summoning the Antichrist with sex magic
and you get his biography because there's just too much
going on many so you know so and of one
the reason why I'm brushing over this is that um,

(39:38):
ininety two moonfounds probably the single most important American institution
you ever found, The Washington Times. Um here's Bohey Park,
the Times corporate president, describing why The Times was created. Quote,
it is a total war, basically a war of ideas,
war of mind. The battlefield, this is the battle. This
is where the battle is fought. Son. In this war,

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the entire thing will be mobilized political means, social means,
economic means, and propagandistic means and basically trying to take
over the other person's mind. That is what the Third
World War is all about. The war of ideology. Oh
so he's yeah, he's doing a fourth generation war thing. Yeah, yeah,
he's yeah, he's he's very much kind of thinking, honestly
on the same side as william S. Lnd Um. Okay,

(40:23):
that's Scans. Yeah, now this is this is Reagan's favorite newspaper.
He has his paper delivered to his office every single
morning and he reads Christ in Heaven And absolutely enormous
number of right wing journalists have passed through who over
the years. So this is I mean, it's the name.
I it's very familiar. I'm sure everyone listening to this
is run into a Washington Times articles like like the

(40:45):
half of their business is people like on social media
mistaking them for the Post and it's like yeah, yeah,
you know, and and so you know, there's a thing
sayings all this like fairly. It was like this like
a week or two ago, uh, the Washington the Washington
Times like published an article calling basically screaming about like
calling the CCP like I think it's a termite infestation.
And it was like like, oh, there's these termites in

(41:06):
the in our society have to be eliminated. And I'm like, well,
so this is like but yeah, I just I just
looked at the Washington Post and the Washington Times website
next to each other. Almost identical fonts for the names,
like deliberately almost identical fonts for the names. And I
think people, I don't know, people, people, people look at
the Washington Times doing something like that, You're like, oh
my god, look at the end office, Like, yeah, these guys,

(41:28):
like these guys are so much worse. Like this, this
is this is the this is the newspaper of a cult. Yeah,
much like the Epoch Times. Yep, yeah, except yeah, I
mean this, you know a lot, a lot of what's
happening here like like like this, like the Moonies are
just a better, like a more successful version of the
Falling Gong in a lot of ways. I mean they do.
One of the big differences would be that the Falling Gong,
as terrible, as a lot of things about them are,

(41:50):
legitimately has suffered repression and stuff like yeah, as opposed
to these guys are fully the state is on board
with them. Yeah yeah, And well I okay, so the
UI State. We'll get to that in a second. Um,
But you know, so, I want to especially mention some
of these people. David Brooks gets to start in journalism
as a writing movie reviews for them, like Patty Cannon

(42:12):
is an ex Washington Times columnist. That makes sense, and
they basically like invent the modern style of right wing journalism,
Like these are the Times, like some of the first
people to do the war on Christmas, Like they basically
invent that. And you know, I want to you know
that they have a very disturbing analysis of this. Um,
I want to read one of their this is this

(42:32):
is a poster that was made by one of the
their affiliate groups. Because they have about a trillion news
is available through more media than ever before and for
twenty four hours a day, much of it sounds the
same our media giving people the facts they need in
the twenty one century. Is the media's traditional role of
reporting facts even still relevant? Is it time for the
media to become guide dogs instead of watchdogs? So, and

(42:56):
what they're guiding people to is white nationalism. The Times
is extremely racist, incredibly pro pro Confederate, and they publish
a bunch of literal Nazis um Francis booth count. Yeah.
But but but I mean, like like people who are more
explicitly Nazi than pat U Cannon, which is fairly impressive. Yes,
because he's written the whole book defending Hitler. Yeah, so

(43:18):
so Francis Booth Coombs, who works at The Times, frequently
he was he was like, he was like, they're one
of their head publishers, and he frequently published his wife,
who's the other main thing is rife rights for his
storm front. Awesome, it's amazing. So here here's from the
Southern Poverty Law Center. In one opinion piece in The Times,
Coombs describes the whole of of human history as quote

(43:39):
the struggle of races. Non white immigration, she wrote in
another column is importing poverty and revolution that will end
in the eventual loss of American sovereignty. In England, Muslims
are turning life in this once pleasant land into misery
for its native inhabitants. It's real, like and this is
this is just one example that I've pulled out. Are

(44:00):
dozens of people at the time to write stuff exactly
like this. It's horrifying. I've talked a bit before about
the Defender of Djer. They're they're huge, huge defenders, are
a part tight in South Africa. They are Yeah, it's
it's it's you know, it's it's. It's one of the
worst institutions in the US and they in a lot
of ways it's like it's they kind of serve a

(44:20):
role sort of similar to what info Wars does, right,
where like you have this one sort of they they'll
they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll do the Alex Jones think right,
They'll they'll they'll pick a headline from another news source
completely misinterpreted, turned it into an outraged machine, and then
they'll feed you to the right to the rest of
the right wing press and it goes through like Fox News. Yeah,
but they're they're kind of more like bright Bart and
that there they camouflaged themselves as more legitimate. And then

(44:41):
also like you know, especially with Reagan, like they just
directly have access to the president because this is their
favorite magazine, like this this is this is Reagan's favorite newspaper.
And you know, one of the other things they do
is so the Korean government, uh, there's there's there's there's
a pro democracy uprising in the city at Guansju, and
that they make this commune. It's it's one of the
sort of incredible revolution stream moments in world history, and

(45:04):
the Korean government just murders them, absolutely butchers them um
and the Times does propaganda like you know, Times runs
cover for the Korean government. And this is so bad
that even like the other right wingers at the times
just resigned in mass because they're like, I, I won't
be a part of this, Like the South Korean government
literally murdering a bunch of protomocracy protesters, that that order

(45:26):
to defend the South Korean government comes directly from the top,
It comes directly from Moon, it comes directly from Bohepok,
and they're trying to protect the new South Korean government
after the k C I a shop performer dictator Perk
Chung he in his bunker, which is a story that
I will tell like another time on this podcast. South
Korea deserves as much time as North Korea. Yeah there,

(45:47):
I'm working on episodes, but yeah, we will tell that later.
But you know, Moon is just directly running in inference
of the fact that like his bosses just murdered the
president now does right weight media blitz isn't just an
American affair. Moon is putting on newspapers across the world,
including the Sergey Times in Korea, the Middle East Times

(46:08):
in Cairo, and Sekai Nepo in Japan. Now Sakai Nipo
is fun because they directly advocate for Japan invading Manchuria again,
which yeah, because it went so well last Yeah, it's great.
And you know that this is where I'm talking about.
You know that the whole thing about how they about
how the Mooney's run that scam where they make people

(46:28):
like pay indulgences for all the war crimes that Japan
did in Korea. Oh boy, They're advocating for them to
do it again. It's it's great. Well, I mean God
forgave them so kind of like graspute and believed you
got to get back in there and start sending again. Yeah, well,
he's not going to forgive. I should I should specifically
mentioned this. God does not forgive Tojo. Moon forgives Tojo.

(46:48):
Well yea personally someone a little more powerful than God,
and Moon is just much much better than God. I
think Moon would agree. Yeah. Now, Moon's increasing hold over
the media was tested in Japan when Yoshi Kazu sho Jima,
a former churchman, attempted to fight like a full scale
church takeover of Sakai Nepo in Japan. Now Moon sends
in the Yakuza from the book Inside the League on

(47:12):
the first of October about a hundred people, including about
thirty and special karate training groups, barged into the papers offices.
They broke this pretty papers and beat up some of
the employees. On second of nineteen eighty four, so Jima
was attacked outside his home in Tokyo and stabbed repeatedly,
according to police reports. When the attack occurred, he was
preparing an article critical of Moon Man. Can't one team

(47:35):
of like karate soldiers be sent into a place and
not in the I I'm going to do an episode
at some point about karate because it's so fucked up.
But one of the things that one of the things
is important to note is that the World Karate Federation
was founded by Sasakawa, the that that Japanese fascist and
one of Moon's lieutenants. So yeah, all the karate people
like huge supply of bodyguards for South Korean dictators are well.

(47:58):
I guess I'm gonna have to go to cross mcgaff
for an unpro problematic martial art. Time to google KRAG
for the first time. You know, it's it's bad now.
So while all of this is happening, like this is
you know, this this is some ways is move moment
of triumph. But there's two disasters that strike. One is
the death of his seventeen year old son huang Jin.

(48:19):
Now this is a major problem from Boone theologically because
he has written that people can only reach the Kingdom
of Heaven if they're married. So naturally, what kills his
son's dead? He's driving an suv on an icy road
and yeah, well he wasn't. Well he's just like is
not is a seventeen year old and it's not good
at driving an ice and okay, yeah he I don't

(48:42):
there's there's no evidence he got murdered. Uh So, So
naturally Moon solves the problem of his son can't go
to heaven because he wasn't married by marrying the dead
huang Jin off to Bohey poks daughter Hudson Pac. I
mean potentially a great deal because you don't have to
deal with a lot of the traditional downside of marriage. Yeah.
Hun Sun Park later said that the experience was quote

(49:04):
like being emotionally raped. So yeah, not good. I'm gonna
I'm gonna wait an extra second before the Chris, Yeah,
it's it's not good. Um yeah, and this is like
while this is going on, like what while while Moon's
having his deskquad adventures, Like there's just still a bunch
of horrible stuff happening at your personally in the church.
Um yeah, I don't have a good segue from this

(49:26):
and so what I'm about to read. So Moon also
said about Huang Jen's death, if the sacrifice of huang
Jin Nim had not been made one if either too
great calamities could have happened. Either the Korean nation could
have suffered a catastrophic setback, suchach invasion from the North,
or I myself could have been assassinated, Which I think
it's a secret where he's like, my son has died.

(49:49):
How do I spin this? How do I spend this? Uh? Yeah,
if he hadn't died, Uh one, if two equally bad
things gonna happen, I could die or North Korea could invade.
And I'm just like and he's consistently do doing the
thing that you're not supposed to do as a person.
Um like say that God thinks that you're better than God,
or say that well, at least it was my son

(50:10):
that died and not me, Like these are like real
big but um, but it's just cool. It's fine, that's
that's great. It's it's a good time. Um. Yeah. So
Moon's other problem is with the law. Moon gets indicted
on a number of in the US because he died
on a number of count related to the fact that
literally everything he does is indescribably illegal, and the government

(50:30):
is trying to sort of trying to get him on
tax charges. Um Moon. Like, Moon loses this case and
gets convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury. And
it's important to remember what he's convicted of because even
before Moon is convicted, he launches this massive advertising complain
complaining that he's like he's being religiously and racially persecuted
by a government that hates religion, and there's like this

(50:50):
cult obsession and it's just that they don't they just
don't understand his new religion. And this works to nish
to SUSA gives a speech defending him. God at look,
You've brought up a lot of frustrating names, but that's
the first one that made me a'm God damn it.
Lawrence Tribe shows up to argue that this whole prosecution
is an attack on the First Amendment and the government

(51:11):
is going after him for holding church money, his own money.
In the same account, which is like a standard practice
for small churches. Uh tribe. Okay, so the a c
l U is involved in this. I've seen conflicting accounts
as whether it was just the New York chapter or
the entire ac LU, but some of the a c
l U, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and the National

(51:32):
Association of Evangelicals. I'll argue that if Moon is convicted,
the government will like come after churches everywhere, So we
have to defend Moon now. And of course none of
this ever happens. Yeah, no, this is, none of this
ever happens. There's no persecution ever because it's all lie.
Moon is put in prison, if you remember, for obstruction
of justice, perjury, and conspiracy, not tax evasion, right, Like

(51:52):
he's not, that's not what he goes down for. It
Like he goes down because he's running an enormous money
laundering operation that is smuggling money in the socks of
ballet dancers to move yakas in money to Latin American
death squads like that. That's what he's actually doing with this,
and that's a crime. Now, we don't let that happen
in America. But this is a thing. Like to this
day you can find conservatives on on forum post talking

(52:14):
about how like like like the like the rational skeptic
people will be like Moon was like unjustly prosecutors Like no,
they they he got off like so easy for the
number of crimes. He's like, dude, Shane saw it hit
him in half, It wouldn't have been an unjust prosecution
like she like like this guy, this guy ran Koreans

(52:34):
like ran Korean ci influence operations on on sitting American senators. Yeah,
this is like a dullest level piece of ship, like
just let it happen. No. Nevertheless, Jerry Farwell and Tim Lahay,
founders in the Moral Majority, joined and and they argue
that he's being persecuted by sexular humanists, which is their

(52:58):
version of cultural Marxism. It's great. Yeah, yeah, the original
term was pagan statism actually, and it's gone through a
few permutations before we hit cultural Marxists, which seems to
scan best now. Yeah. Hey, it takes five thousand dollars
from Moon and creates the Coalition for Religious Freedom, which
is like focused on defending Moon. Um. Jerry Farwell, who

(53:20):
had denounced Moon as a devil, praying on American children
in speaks at a banquet run by c I USA
five and sits on the Coalition for Religious Freedom's board,
and you know, pre I mean it's okay, yeah, Like
prison turns out to have been like an incredible boon
from Moon. It lets some like completely you know, because
he were like Moon Moon in the seventies, he is

(53:41):
like one of the most hated figures in America because
I was like, oh, he's the cult guy. And by
the mid eighties, he you know, he's he's gone, he's
completely rehabilitated his image and he's now like fully integrated
into the into the Christian right. And it's in crimes
crimes and an enormous amount of money and you can
do whatever, you can fund every desk on Earth now.

(54:03):
But back in the church, things had taken an extremely
bizarre turn. Um in the summer of nine, church leaders
heard that Moon's dead son huang Jin, had returned to
Earth in the body of a church member from Zimbabwe,
Cleopas Kudiona, was accepted by Moon as a reincarnation of
huang Jin whose body who spirit possessed his body. Um

(54:25):
Moon like ap points him as like a church inquisitor,
and so he would go around like beating church members
until they like confess to something they did wrong. And
it's apparently really brutal. He like beats priests and their
wives unconscious. There's a there's a story about him. Like
he takes out a gun and just like starts shooting
bullets into a pool and then orders everyone to go
like pick up the bullets from inside the pool. Um. Yeah,

(54:46):
and he even he even beats Bohei Pawk like so
badly that Pac has to go to a hospital to
have like fluid drain from his brain. And this is
the point at which Moon is like, I've had enough
of this man. Yeah, and he he has my son
beats one lass guy than that. Yeah, And so he
declares that the huang Jin spirit has left the body

(55:08):
of Hung Jin comes back to life to just beat
the ship out of some people and then goes right
off to the spirit realm again. Ye incredible day. It's
It's wild. One of the funny things ones like this
is like there are so many church leaders who are
just like randomly showing up with like bruises on them.
They're like one of their like American like pretty prominent

(55:29):
American followers is like convincers, like communist plot going on
to like disrupt the leadership with the church, and it's
just the other things that they call him black huang Jin.
It's okay, it's bad. I mean, okay. Also really Scan
is bad within the context of the episode. Well, so
I should briefly talk about there's there there's like a

(55:51):
there's like a so Moon is like a big like
racial unity guy. So like like you know, he he
like he was promoting integration in the seventies and yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean is actually a number of really problematic guys
who during the conversations and integration were on the right side.
We could talk about the fucking um um oh you
know the kool aid do what do you college Jim
Jim Jones. Yeah, but but but but but I will say,

(56:12):
so Moon is lying about this. Moon does not actually
believe in racial quality. He in his like inside the church,
the racism from the death squad guy. Yeah, there's there's
this like internal hierarchy basically like people in the church
and it's like Koreans are on top, and then I
think it's like Japs people and then white people and
then like black people are on the bottom, and there's
like there's there's some there's some racism stuff going on there.

(56:33):
Uh yeah, I didn't write enormous about about it because
there's so many death squads and we still haven't even
gotten to the next thing we're about to get to,
which is uh Kim Il Sung. So yeah, Moon Moon
ironically lives to see the death of communism like in
the Triumph of the Market economy, literally everywhere except for
North Korea well, which is yeah, still keeping on. Yeah,

(56:56):
but you know, he's the Moon is convinced that like
collapses coming any day now is like the brilliant wall
falls and the other stars imploding. And the Moon begins
secret talks with North Korea, and later that year she's
finally able to meet Kimmel Sung and return to return
to North Korea for the first time since the Korean War.
Now Kim Il Sung has uh like has like Moon's

(57:17):
childhood home like refurbished, and Moon goes to visit his
home and then they have this like meeting where they
like they like, they like hug it out and Kimmel
Sung says, let us forget the past. Most important now
is the future. Um the defense Intelligence Agency claims that
Moon paid millions of dollars to a secret overseas bank
account to get the meeting and secure future investment rights.

(57:39):
I don't know if that's true. The only evidence were
the only sources of Defense Intelligence Agency, so they might
just be lying. It might also be true. But whatever happened,
it works. Kimmel, Sung and Moon we're now in business together.
Moon invests somewhere between fifty and sixty million dollars into
a joint North Korean South Korean car company called peng
Kuan Motors, and was it allowed the extremely rare privilege

(58:01):
of like putting up corporate billboards in North Korea for
this company. And here's a fun quote from from Church stands.
The North Korea stands are gonna billboards and the socialist
paradise so here here's a fun quote from a church officer,
Uh Park Song Quan, who's the head of the joint venture.

(58:22):
We are bound to succeed. There are no unions, low
labor costs, the workers are very clever, very quick to learn,
and they are harshly controlled by their superiors. Paradise Church,
I thought, is the one your revolutionary ideology. I've always
said that Sophie will tell you. I say that to
her every day time, like all her in the room

(58:42):
of the night, screaming it at the top of my lungs.
He's also like investing in Vietnam and China for like
similar reasons, neither of whom seemed to have any objections
of taking money from a man who had their former
comrades literally burned alive. I mean, look, once you get
to the point where people have a lot of money,
nobody actually believes anything. It's great. It's great. So yeah,

(59:07):
the other thing Moon is able to do is he
The Washington Times gets the first, like the first interview
with any North Korean leader in the Western pressent twenty years,
and the Times basically publishes like a puff piece praising
Kimmel Song. So, you know, you might be asking yourself,
how does this dude who has literally spent his entire
career being full of munism, how is he justifying allying

(59:29):
with Kimmel Sung. And the answer is that he justifies
it by calling it a triumph of his sheer power
to fuse together himself and his enemy Kane, enable God
and Satan yinon Yang, and even his own followers are like, no, like,
leave this because he's basically saying, well, is the only
problem with communism was that they didn't like me, but

(59:50):
now they like me. And it's funny because he is
like one of the largest like funders of the North
Korean economy. Stay, he's like the big people putting money
into it. It's it's incredible, um and you know, and
this is you know, but but you know, his followers
leaving the church is kind of a theme from Women.
The Moon in the nineties and the nineties a kind

(01:00:10):
of a rough time for him. George H. W. Bush,
who was a big enough Moon supporter to tour Japan
and Argentina with him, you know, losing the election, and
Moon claims this is a result of Bush refusing to
sign papers calling Korea the Country of Eternal Peace, supreme
over all other nations. It's like, yeah, he didn't make
me king, so that's why he lost. But he starts

(01:00:31):
pivoting to try to be like a civil rights leader,
and he forms this thing called the Women's Federation from
World Peace, which argues that women's liberation is submitting traditional
gender roles. And then he also starts paying a bunch
of old civil rights leaders to back him and like
courting these like socially conservative black churches. And you know,
while he's doing this, he also bails out Liberty University
for three point five million dollars when he thinks no
one's looking. It's great, it's great. He's baid out Liberty University.

(01:00:57):
But in Unstuckhong publishes a book called in the Shadow
of the Moon's My life in the Reverend Sun Young
Moon's family, Nonsuck Hong is the wife of Moon's first son,
like for Someng with his wife Steve, who's Steve last
scene threatening to rape and kill another woman for having

(01:01:17):
a child with Moon. Yeah he's great. So Steve Moon
is a problem child. He can't be disciplined, he drinks constantly,
and he just wants to be a rock star in
South Korea, which normally I'm on board with, like, I
don't know, son of a called leader, I just want
to be rock star. Um. Moon is mad about this
because he's like, okay, well, my son needs to lead
the church. So his plan is to get a successor

(01:01:40):
back in line is to marry him off to the
fifteen year old non Sukong, apparently on the logic that
having a wife who's young enough to be easily controlled
wul turn him into a proper patriarch or something. And
so yeah, it's bad. I Hung is basically just like
like just Steve treats treat her as a servant. Um
she has to like can food every morning, and you

(01:02:01):
know she she talks about this time like basically like
smiling and being cheery every day before crying yourself to
sleep every night. Um Hung gets pregndent, I think for
the first time at seventeen, and she has she eventually
has five kids. On what we're pregnant with the fifth kid,
she can rent Steve, who's been doing literally millions of
dollars of cocaine, like he is he is like defrauding. Yeah,

(01:02:23):
that's pretty rad. Look, no, no notes on that guy. Yeah,
so the problem with this is that you know he
is like not helping raise his sons and daughters. And
so um Hung like confronted about this, and she tries
to flush some of the cocaine down the toilet. And
here's how the New Republic describes what happened next. Steve

(01:02:45):
quote smashed my face fast, his fist into my face,
blooding my nose hung later recalled, he wiped my blood
on his hand and licked it off. Taste good. He said,
this is fun. It's yeah, it's it's not good. Um
yeah yeah, like's just licking the blood off his hand

(01:03:07):
and saying, this tastes good, this is fun. Like what
it's yeah, I mean, yeah, it does, yeah, Steve. Steve
then threatens to kill her baby and like keeps on beating. Here,
she shares from an interview she gave a CBS is
sixty minutes. He beat me so severely I thought he
would kill the baby in my womb. He made me

(01:03:27):
clean up the spilled white powder from the floor, even
as you continue to beat me. Later he would offer
religious justification for beating me half senseless, a woman seven
months pregnant. He was teaching me to be humble in
the presence of the Messiah. Yeah, yeah, that's um. That's
unfortunately a really common line of like you talked to
people who are in kind of like homeschooling colts and

(01:03:48):
you know, raised in sort of like to train up
a child kind of bullshit. Like, Yeah, there's a lot
of justifications for child abution, special abuse in different Christian
sects that are like, well, this is I'm humbling you.
You have to be humble for God, and like yeah,
it's horrible and you know this is this is this.
But the reason of this book and the interviews, um,

(01:04:09):
like Hog is actually like she's she actually she's able
to get away from Moon and she's able to live
her own life. I mean, like people like church members
like keep continuously calling her and like stuff like that happens.
But she's able to get out and she publishes his book.
And this book does like enormous damage to Moon because
you know, here's this guy who's supposed to have been
like like he's you know, he's supposed to have been him.
He's the most he's literally the Messiah, and he's he's
to him and his children are like his children supposed

(01:04:31):
to be be the first generation of new perfect children and
this is what they're doing and this is really bad
for the church. Um So Moon begins to change his
strategy once again. His new plan is he's going to
get the US to crown him king. Okay, okay, how
did that go? In two thousand four, Congressman twenty six
ambassadors to the US and like five hundred other dignitaries
gathered in the Dirkson Senate Office Building. According to one

(01:04:53):
description of the events, Republican Roscoe Bartlett bowed before the
couple and Democrat Danny Davis carried out one of the
two golden crowns that were placed on their heads. Wait what.
Moon then informed the audience that kings and presidents had
declared him humanity savior and that Jesus, Buddha, Hitler, and
Stellin had been reborn as new persons to his teachings. Wow,

(01:05:17):
it turns out did that make it into anybody's like campaign?
And it's trying to unsee these guys that seems like
there was like I feel like he even today, if
somebody in Congress did that, a lot of folks would
There was like week everyone was like, oh hey, all
all these senators went to a went to a ceremony
with they literally crowned this guy king and everyone was like,
he gives us money, and just nobody cares. Yeah, yeah,

(01:05:40):
look it was a metaphor, but why are you asking
he gives his money? So so apparently he bribed a
bunch of these people to be there by giving them
gold watches. The Congressman's show up and are like, wait,
hold on, I thought we were just giving him an award.
Why are we crowding him king? And like the American
press is just like this is a curiosity, okay, whatever, Yeah,
some signs its crowns, sung set, crown, Reverend Moon King.

(01:06:04):
I feel like the one thing we all lot and
clearly we can't, but the one thing Americans should generally
agree on is don't crown people king. That's like the
whole thing that we were against. But no, like, this
is this is what like, you know, this is all
at changeable. Guess why it gets so mad about the
fact that, like, like the fact that we support Saudi Arabia.
It's like, there's one principle, can we not one thing?

(01:06:28):
They keep doing it bad, they keep making kings and
so yeah, and this is this is like this is
an internally this is an enormous propagandic couper Moon um.
You know here like literally leaders of the United States
bowing to him and crowning him king and so Moon
like retreats to a palace modeled aft the Capital model
after the Capital building that he is constructed in Korea.
After taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from bushes faith

(01:06:49):
of government money by the way, from bushes faith based initiatives.
It's great now, you know, but by by the time
you get to the late two thousands, Moons how this
is failing. He has I think he gets cancer. Um.
His daughter in Jin Moon starts to take over the
church around two ten UM. She takes over through a
bunch of incredibly complicated political maneuvering. I'm not going to

(01:07:10):
get into here, but she's able to take control of
most of the church, but not all of it. And
this is important because her so she's able to take
control of like like the organization that's the church, right,
but she's not able to take control of the holding
group that they fundel all their money through. So the
jillions of dollars she doesn't have access. Yeah and well yeah,

(01:07:31):
so that the show company goes to her brother Preston,
who does Mark Yeah why yeah, I mean he okay,
like he's not the worst of the family branch, but
he like he basically takes the money and he sets
up like a new church with the same theology, except
without the like the Moon family members. As Messiah's um
engine calls him, quote a fallen Adam being controlled by Satan,

(01:07:54):
and Preston says like basically the same like similar things
about her, and this is the first of like a
myriad of fractures that would consume the church as Reverend's
health declinity lost control. The good news is that if
you're that guy, if you're the guy, even God is
like this, dude knows what's up. Um, you're probably not
going to have anyone who's capable of being that bold.

(01:08:14):
And they have to be after you know, although replacements
just almost certainly not going to be not going to
have that kind of hunt. I mean, the other they
don't do that. Well, okay, engine just terribly she she
her thing is you know, so the probably by doesn't sime.
You're you're in the Obama years, right, like the golden
age where there were no problems not. What I will
say though, is that this is actually like this is

(01:08:36):
the first time that the church hasn't been able to
write a cultural shift because you know, like like the
war majority stuff, it's like as a politics kind of
like like but I mean, you know, Obama like it's
kind of dying, like I mean, it's still around, but
like it doesn't. That's like that that that kind of
right wing, like like the pure the Christian version of it,

(01:08:57):
Like it doesn't fully you emerge again until Trump and
then when it doesn't, when it comes back on to
the trumpets, it's you know, like it's it's it's like
a more fascist like version of it. And while they're
trying to write this transition, they screw up. Um. And
she like attempts to modernize the church. So she gets
rid of all like the old hymns and chanting, replaces
them with like guitar hero and ping pong tournaments and shustle.

(01:09:20):
She launches a rock band called Sonic Cult. And and
she she she even is like, oh, we should encourage
kids to like have a role in choosing their partners. Um,
this is an apocall disaster for the church. Internal church
documents show that church membership in the US drop from
twenty six thousand to seven thousand and two months. She's like, wow,

(01:09:43):
that is like, yeah, that is that is that is
a pretty pretty quick fault. Now when when when Moon
finally dies in Moon's wife just like almost immediately outserved
by so engine had had a child out a wedlock. Um,
and that's like that's like literally the worst sin you
can possibly do in the church. And so she like

(01:10:04):
reveals this and engine just like disappears. Um. But you
know even after this coup that the church continues to fragment.
And the most famous of these breakaway shards is huang
Jin Shan Moon's breakaway Faction, which is now known as
the Air fifteen Church for conducting rich rules and Marriages
Air fifteen. Yeah. Yeah, so it's interesting. This is an

(01:10:26):
interesting faction because you know, he doesn't have like Sean
doesn't have either the money of like Preston's breakaway Church,
nor does he have the connections that like the main churches,
because you know, I mean the main church are the
people who hold on to leadership in like South Korea,
they hold on to it in in like in Africa,
they hold mon to South America the whole aunts Japanese
branch in particular. But what Shawn's faction does have is

(01:10:47):
car arms. She's yeah, so so he so he chooses,
like you know, with with car arms and you know,
with with with this sort of like thing going on,
he chooses like publicity sounds rebuild his membership. So you know,
he he dawns a crown of bullets and rallies around
like Revelation to seven, which says he shall rule them

(01:11:09):
with a rod of iron. It's it's very like, you know,
this is a lot, and knowing that the news like
obviously it's gonna look Sonettie, that the news will go
crazy over it and then yea a boom attention economy. Maybe. Yeah.
And you know what, Shawn isn't totally without connections and resources. Um,
both Steve Bannon and Patriot Prayer founder Joey Gibson show
up to one of his events, and I think Steve

(01:11:31):
Bannon is a connection Joey Gibson so much. Not so much.
I do up Joey Gibson though, because well, joe in
the fact that he controls car arms all make the
fact that he shows up to the capital on his
father's birthday January six, it helps storm it all the
more disturbing. Yeah, that's good, that's that makes sense that
we were heading there. And if they had another reason,

(01:11:53):
you know, yeah, birthday party. It wasn't just it wasn't
just the Trump stuff. Looking there were a lot of
reasons for me to be storming that thing today. Now
a year later, Trump gave a nine eleven speech to
a packed Mainline Unification church event led by Moon's wife,
he said, quote, what what they have achieved on the
Peninsula is just amazing in just a few decades. The

(01:12:14):
inspiration that they have caused for the entire planet is unbelievable.
And I congratulate you again and again. So so Trump,
this makes Trump, I said, I said, there were six
presidents right who've even met him or supported his organizations.
So that's Eisenhower, Nixon, Uh, George Bush, George H. W. Bush,
Joe Biden, and Donald Trump. So this is a wonderful

(01:12:35):
two party system here. Absolutely shocked that Clinton was not
on there. It's completely stunned. This this is because the
Moon hates Clinton. Moon like like when when Clinton Clinton
wins the election, Boone is like the US has been
taken over by Satan and like leaves for you know
that does scan based on the time that does scan?
I guess yeah. And actually one of the other things

(01:12:56):
that I didn't mention in this was is that the
Washington Times are like some of the people who like
start the like so when when when Hillary does the
one good thing she's ever done her entire life, which
was advocating for universal healthcare. They like, that's when they
start like a bunch of the like anti Clinton, like
Asher turf stuff. Yeah. So and to to to close,
to close this out, I'm going to I'm gonna end

(01:13:17):
this episode by reading a list of prominent American conservatives
involved with the Moonies in some way or another, either
writing for their magazines, working for a friend group, giving speeches,
or taking their money. David brooks Elliott, Abram, Pappy Kennon,
George Bush, George H. W. Bush, Donald Trump, Mike Pants,
Mark Pompeo, Mark esper and New King, rich Or in Hatch,
Ronald Reagan, go Over Northquest, Jack Abramoff, Richard Vigieri, Ed

(01:13:39):
Fulner Strom, thurmant To, let's just use a Lawrence tribe,
Jerry Fallwell, Steve Bannon, Tim Lahey, Ralph Read, Beverly Lahy,
Gary Bauer, Gerald for Jack Camp and John Putt Horretz.
And this is this is an incomplete list, Like I
that's that's that's like hitting the hits. Yeah. And and
this also does not include anyone from the Twelve Countries
or Moon funded desquads. So yeah, that's reference moon what

(01:14:03):
a green guy. Well you know what, as a fair man,
I'm going to give kudos to a guy who went
for it. You know, she good for you, but she
got a bunch he got a bunch of of sitting
US congressman and Senator to Crini King, Yeah that is
that is an achievement has ever done. Is an achievement
no one else. Yeah. Look, you know what, my I

(01:14:28):
gotta just give one quiet salute, um in honor of
this man's ambition and ability to somehow have an ass
that could cash the kind of checks that he was writing. Yeah.
This this, this man had one glorious dream and it
was dead babies. And he killed a lot of babies.

(01:14:49):
He killed a lot of babies. He is going to
be responsible for the death of a lot of babies
in the future. And he made some pretty mediocre handguns. Um,
don't buy a car, get a number of other guns. Look,
if you want a tiny hand and get a don't know,
Smith and Wilson bodyguard or something you don't you don't, don't,
don't buy a car. Well, Chris, thank you for making

(01:15:10):
me sad. I'm happy to question work, but I'm also
happy because I didn't have to do as much work.
This week, and I got to learn a story about
a cult leader who is boy Howdy got to be
in our gotta be in our top five. He's a
Really the money is just ridiculous. Yeah yeah, it's Bride.

(01:15:35):
It's just oh my god. Yeah, thank you Chris Man
and listeners give me that kind of money. And I
promise this was so many death squads, like, way more
death squads than this guy, none of none of this
other distraction bullshit. I'm going to go peer in on
the death squads, you know, or don't behind the bastards

(01:15:57):
guaranteed that does not have a Twitter at c h
R three, go listen to it could happen here. We're
going to do more about the World Anti Communist League
because I I only scratched the surface of the horse.
So yeah, all right, well that's the episode. Goodbye and
go with Christ who thinks that the Reverend Moon is

(01:16:21):
way smarter than he is. Totally told me that at
the dinner party. Jesus

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